[12:45] <nixternal> oi oi
[03:02] <jjesse> evening
[03:08] <jjesse> everfyone leave?
[03:08] <jjesse> i think they saw me comming
[03:11] <nixternal> shh
[03:12] <nixternal> asp.net class was actually kind of interesting tonight....I have created a Yahoo like web portal, where you can drag and move stuff around anywhere you would like
[03:12] <nixternal> I thought that was an Ajax only type deal
[03:13] <jjesse> that's cool
[03:14] <jjesse> i'm bored tonight
[03:15] <jjesse> did you see the vidoe of the guy blending an iphone?
[03:15] <nixternal> hahahahahah, I just seen that about 4 hours ago on youtube
[03:18] <jjesse> looks like a release of speedcrunch is july 25th
[03:18] <jjesse> for whoever tracks that package
[03:21] <nixternal> whoever gets to it first :)
[03:32] <jjesse> nixternal: have you taken the LPI-C exam yet?
[06:03] <nixternal> ryanakca: you just had to ask about C++ on a "Gnome majority" planet didn' you? :)
[09:05] <Tonio_> hello
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: hi
[09:51] <Lure> Tonio_: will you fix n-m again (gnome depends)?
[09:53] <Tonio_> Lure: yep, probably today
[09:53] <Lure> Tonio_: great!
[10:19] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ? ;)
[10:22] <Riddell> ScottK: no idea about buildds and memory
[10:23] <Riddell> try #canonical-sysadmin
[10:24] <Riddell> ScottK: not sure if there's any restriction on dapper-backports, you'd have to ask jdong, but in principle if you compile and test it I can do the archive admin bits to put it in
[11:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: just fixing network-manager so that we'll get rid of gnome deps
[11:09] <Riddell> yay
[11:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's on bzr atm, just waiting for asac to review and add he's own changes
[11:17] <Tonio_> allee: ping ?
[12:00] <kwwii> if anyone is interested (or even here), I put an idea for a desktop wallpaper at http://sinecera.de/test.png
[12:02] <_StefanS_> kwwii: seems nice
[12:02] <kwwii> and a screenshot with window decoration changes at http://sinecera.de/screen1.png
[12:02] <Riddell> kwwii: do you have that in 1920 x 1440?  or SVG
[12:02] <_StefanS_> kwwii: nicer cooler than the current wallpaper
[12:02] <_StefanS_> cooler/color
[12:03] <_StefanS_> argh :D
[12:03] <Riddell> colour? :)
[12:03] <_StefanS_> hehe
[12:03] <_StefanS_> whatever :D
[12:03] <Riddell> _StefanS_: fancy integrating it into kubuntu-default-settings?
[12:03] <kwwii> the SVG is at http://sinecera.de/gutsy_kubuntu.svg
[12:03] <_StefanS_> Riddell: sounds like work ? :)
[12:04] <_StefanS_> kwwii: seems like kde doesn't like the svg
[12:06] <kwwii> _StefanS_: yeah, kde sucks at rendering SVGs - I made it with inkscape
[12:07] <_StefanS_> kwwii: so how should it be put into the kubuntu-default-settings?
[12:08] <_StefanS_> kwwii: resolution wise
[12:08] <kwwii> we should render it bigger, give me a while and I will take care of it
[12:09] <Riddell> current one is 1920 x 1440
[12:09] <Riddell> pretty easy to export it from inkscape
[12:09] <_StefanS_> yep I know, but it was the resolution that I didn't know
[12:09] <_StefanS_> maybe the new one is too SuSE like ... .
[12:09] <_StefanS_> looks like SuSe blue :)
[12:13] <kwwii> lol, suse blue
[12:13] <kwwii> I have no worries about anyone saying that my artwork looks like the suse artwork
[12:13] <kwwii> ;-)
[12:13] <kwwii> actually, this background uses only colors from the kubuntu logo
[01:13] <Tonio_> allee: I've done a few fixes to the alioth kbluetooth packaging, ping when arround, I'd like to merge the changes
[01:19] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/GutsyColor.kcsrc is the new colors to match the wallpaper btw
[01:20] <kwwii> I'll post new gradients for the window deco after lunch ;-)
[01:23] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks for the answers.
[01:40] <Tonio_> kwwii: hey :) 404 error on your link
[01:41] <kwwii> hehe, permission problems, fixed now
[01:43] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[01:43] <kwwii> the window decoration gradients are at http://sinecera.de/window-decoration-gradient1.png and http://sinecera.de/window-decoration-gradient_inactive.png
[01:43] <Tonio_> kwwii want the new artwork to be included in kds ? I can do that toonight if needed
[01:43] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes please
[01:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki :)
[01:43] <kwwii> Tonio_: YES!!! thanks :-)
[01:44] <Tonio_> kwwii need me to create the png wallpapers or will you do it ?
[01:46] <Tonio_> wow, that's very......... blue !
[01:46] <Tonio_> kwwii I promiss not to bug you with green this time ;)
[01:52] <Tonio_> kwwii where is the inactive gradient supposed to be used ?
[01:52] <Tonio_> kwwii can't find he file in the kds source package
[01:54] <Riddell> it's in kwin-crystal
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: okay
[01:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: strange as the standard decoration gradient is in kds.... looking at this
[01:57] <kwwii> a good smoke break helps me to avoid answering questions :-)
[01:57] <kwwii> the gradients are in kds afaik
[01:58] <Tonio_> kwwii no "inactive" gradient there, probably just need to add and install it
[01:58] <kwwii> right, in the older version we used the same gradient for both
[01:58] <kwwii> Tonio_: forgot to mention that, sorry
[01:59] <Tonio_> kwwii hum just to be sure, the same png is used if there there is no inactive specified ?
[01:59] <Tonio_> kwwii the point is that i can't see where that is defined
[02:00] <kwwii> Tonio_: no, I think that they are both set to the same file now
[02:00] <Tonio_> kwwii looking
[02:01] <kwwii> if you look in the systemSettings-->windowDecoration-->overlay
[02:01] <kwwii> it is the one on the right ;-)
[02:01] <Tonio_> yeah okay I have to change the rc file
[02:01] <kwwii> right
[02:15] <Tonio_> kwwii kds is ready, do you plan to adapt all other themes to the new background ? aka amarok for example
[02:15] <Tonio_> kwwii: afaics there is only amarok and metabar to do
[02:16] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, both of those as well as KDM and Ksplash
[02:16] <Tonio_> kwwii concerning the ksplash preview, I'd do the screenshot once the new artwork reaches the repo
[02:16] <Tonio_> kwwii reworking the full theme ? cool ;)
[02:16] <kwwii> Tonio_: yeah, because we are starting so early there should be plenty of time to work everything out
[02:17] <kwwii> let's just not scream too loudly that we are changing all the artwork
[02:18] <Tonio_> kwwii should I commit now then ?
[02:18] <Tonio_> kwwii I can just push the changes on bzr and wait for the all stuff to be in there :)
[02:18] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, feel free to - it might be a week or more before I get the other stuff done
[02:19] <Tonio_> kwwii then we can wait, I don't have any major change to upload for kds
[02:19] <kwwii> or we could do it like that - makes little difference to me ;-)
[02:19] <kwwii> right
[02:19] <kwwii> what do we think about using a list-enabled KDM as default?
[02:20] <Riddell> I like it
[02:20] <Riddell> we should ship an alternate theme which is the same but with it disabled
[02:20] <Tonio_> kwwii I don't dislike it
[02:20] <Tonio_> kwwii but the face is just ugly
[02:20] <Riddell> now there's a complement :)
[02:20] <Tonio_> kwwii can that be changed ?
[02:20] <kwwii> cool, then I will update the theme I have already and we can work on it
[02:20] <kwwii> Tonio_: yes, I think so
[02:20] <kwwii> I need to look into how it picks the icons
[02:21] <mhb> Tonio_: hi, what's up?
[02:21] <Tonio_> kwwii then it would be nice too, cause the human face is just like a old afterstep ugly thing
[02:21] <Tonio_> mhb: hey ;)
[02:21] <Tonio_> mhb: just wanted to take news of kdesudo
[02:21] <Tonio_> mhb: I was planning to post for help on the kubuntu-devel list in fact
[02:21] <Tonio_> mhb: so unless you are about to finish, that's what we should do I guess
[02:21] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm working on that last feature
[02:22] <Tonio_> mhb: you are so wonderfull :-)
[02:22] <mhb> Tonio_: it's not hard
[02:22] <Tonio_> mhb: ho really ?
[02:22] <mhb> Tonio_: although not easy either
[02:22] <Tonio_> btw way to complicated for me
[02:22] <mhb> Tonio_: the bad news is that I'm offline for most of the week
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm going to build daily builds of kbluetooth to help testing
[02:22] <mhb> Tonio_: I'll try to work on it today, and commit tomorrow
[02:22] <mhb> Tonio_: okay?
[02:22] <Tonio_> Riddell: may I post on the devel ML even if the packages are not in it yet ?
[02:23] <Tonio_> mhb: would be super perfect
[02:23] <Tonio_> mhb: if that can be done, then I'll release a tarball, and package + write a MIR
[02:23] <kwwii> Tonio_: apparently it just uses an icon from Crystal
[02:23] <Tonio_> mhb: I can take all the administrative work in charge
[02:23] <Tonio_> kwwiiho ?
[02:23] <kwwii> Tonio_: but we could find that icon and change it as well
[02:24] <Tonio_> kwwii I suspect that's a patch to be done in kdm sources....
[02:24] <kwwii> or so :-)
[02:24] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[02:24] <Tonio_> mhb: hope you succeed ;)
[02:25] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure
[02:25] <Tonio_> mhb: I'd say "may the force be wirth you"
[02:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: hard to say if everything can be fixed at time for gutsy..... lots of bugs, but maybe not that hard to fix them, I know that gollum expects a well debugged version soon, so....
[02:26] <mhb> Tonio_: thanks :o)
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: we should ping on -devel to get https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MainInclusionReportKioUmountWrapper reviewed
[02:27] <Tonio_> Riddell: as that native kubuntu development, I'm not sure the MIR is complete, your opinion ?
[02:29] <Riddell> that looks quite incomplete
[02:33] <Tonio_> Riddell: what would miss in there ?
[02:34] <Riddell> everything else from https://wiki.kubuntu.org/MainInclusionReportTemplate
[02:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: I agree, but it's hard to talk about maintainance in debian of secunia history as there is nothing about that, that's more a native package
[02:35] <Riddell> then best to say so
[02:40] <Tonio_> fdoving: pitti will review the umountwrapper next week
[02:59] <ryanakca> Nightrose: hehe
[02:59] <Nightrose> ?
[02:59] <ryanakca> Nightrose: oops, sorry
[02:59] <ryanakca> nixternal: hehe
[02:59] <Nightrose> ;-) k
[03:01] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I can do kubuntu-default-settings later, if Tonio_ hasn't done so already
[03:02] <ryanakca> nixternal: hmm.. half of the comments are that C++ sucks, and you should stick to python and maybe pick up PyGTK. The other half seems to worship C++.
[03:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: done, check bzr :)
[03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok thought so ;) - its was the new wallpaper, right?
[03:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and and kwin gradiants
[03:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sweet
[03:06] <ScottK> Good morning Hobbsee
[03:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: those kwin gradients, do you have an examplet?
[03:09] <mhb> ryanakca: oh, and by the way, c++ sucks
[03:09] <mhb> :o)
[03:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope, it is just a matter of file replacement in kds :)
[03:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I believe in kwwii, I didn't test them
[03:10] <ryanakca> mhb: meh, I've already invested money into a book, and I have 2 months to kill, so why not learn it
[03:10] <mhb> ryanakca: sure, that was a joke :o)
[03:10] <ryanakca> mhb: *nods*
[03:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok
[03:11] <mhb> ryanakca: C++ is not that bad, although I don't like the access control stuff much
[03:11] <kwwii> _StefanS_: http://sinecera.de/screen1.png shows the active window deco
[03:11] <kwwii> just be sure to use the new color scheme if you use those overlays
[03:12] <ryanakca> mhb: Who knows, in 20 years, I might be like one of those old bearded guys who still know and use Pascal, COBOL and the other neolithic languages
[03:12] <ryanakca> mhb: yeah. First impression of it is: Why? Why brackets when python's indentation works just as well.. etc
[03:12] <mhb> ryanakca: you know cobol? cool.
[03:12] <_StefanS_> kwwii: ok looks nice... is anyone up for more sharp edges on the windows?
[03:13] <mhb> ryanakca: well, the silly university where I'll be studying still seems to worship Microsoft Windows and Pascal.
[03:13] <ryanakca> mhb: no, I'm saying all the C++ people will probably end up in the same place they are, they'll know an extinct language...
[03:13] <_StefanS_> kwwii: what about liberation font ? are we going to use that?
[03:14] <ryanakca> umm, has the libcurl problem been fixed?
[03:14] <ryanakca> or should I wait untill Tribe 3?
[03:16] <ScottK> ryanakca: libcurl is done.  Apt is fixed.  They just pushed a new kernel last night.  OOO is still dead.  Your call.
[03:16] <Hobbsee> hey ScottK!
[03:16] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: where are you, btw?
[03:17] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: me? I'm in Kingston, Ontario, Canada.
[03:17] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: if you want more specific, whois my domain :)
[03:18] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: I just did yesterday on my thinkpad.. works fine
[03:18] <ryanakca> _StefanS_: ok
[03:18] <ryanakca> mhb: when is tribe 3 due out?
[03:19] <ryanakca> I'll wait to test it if it's in the next couple days, otherwise, I'll go for a Daily
[03:20] <Riddell> not this week
[03:20] <mhb> ryanakca: why do you ask me?
[03:21] <mhb> ryanakca: 19th, but I am not the bot pointing to https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyReleaseSchedule
[03:23] <kwwii> _StefanS_: to be honest I have not seen a good reason to use that font - it does not look that much better to me
[03:23] <kwwii> _StefanS_: but if someone can convince me, yes ;-)
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: right
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: nah, that's closer than i was expecting :P
[03:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: the 19th
[03:24] <mhb> hi Hobbsee, long time no chat :o)
[03:24] <Hobbsee> mhb: indeed!  been at a friend's place
[03:26] <_StefanS_> kwwii: well.. its probably a matter of taste, but its more like tahoma which I like
[03:26] <ryanakca> mhb: I asked you because you're the testing person who seems to know these things :)
[03:26] <mhb> ryanakca: yup, that'll be me :o)
[03:29] <manchicken_> Is something up with security.ubuntu.com?
[03:30] <manchicken_> I've got about 35% packet loss to security.ubuntu.com (which resolves to leningradskaya.canonical.com 91.189.88.31)
[03:34] <Nightrose> Hobbsee: mind if I borrow your long pointy stick for a minute? ;-)
[03:34] <manchicken_> I'll try reconnecting to the wireless...
[03:34] <Hobbsee> Nightrose: sure, go ahead
[03:35] <Nightrose> ;-) thx
[03:36] <manchicken_> I think the problem may lie with security.ubuntu.com this time... does anybody else have a problem with an aptitude update sticking at security.ubuntu.com?
[04:24] <ryanakca> manchicken_: It might something to do with the datacenter trouble (*points to the topic in #canonical-sysadmin*) dunno. I'm getting 50% packet loss.
[04:26] <ryanakca> manchicken_: or no
[04:27] <apachelogger> kwwii: O.o somehow your oxygen looks kinda ...old...
[04:48] <manchicken> Well, KDE4 still crashes on me.
[04:48] <manchicken> From the binaries.
[04:48] <Riddell> which?
[04:49] <manchicken> I'm running the latest kde4 binaries from the repos, and X still tanks when I try to log into KDE4 from KDM.
[04:49] <Riddell> try http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/3.91.0/
[04:50] <manchicken> Are those amd64?
[04:50] <manchicken> Naw, they're i386
[04:50] <manchicken> Thus my pain.
[04:50] <manchicken> I think nixternal had KDE4 packages that ran under i386, too... but I'm not on i386.
[04:51] <manchicken> Do you have packages I could build?
[04:51] <manchicken> Or src-debs?
[04:52] <Riddell> it should be compiling now in gutsy
[04:52] <manchicken> I'm building the 3.91 from their website.
[04:52] <manchicken> The only thing I don't have is soprano.
[04:53] <manchicken> I was hoping you were gonna let me off the hook with some nice amd64 packages :)
[04:53] <manchicken> I've been wanting to run KDE4 for some time now.
[04:53] <manchicken> In great anticipation of kate improvements.
[04:53] <Riddell> manchicken: soprano may well be compiled now in gutsy
[04:54] <manchicken> I can't find it on the repos.
[04:54] <Riddell> gutsy amd64  Successfully built https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/soprano/0.9.0~snapshot~2007-07-09-0ubuntu2
[04:54] <Riddell> it might still be in binary new
[04:54] <manchicken> Is there any way to install from binary new?
[04:55] <Riddell> yes, it is
[04:55] <Riddell> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/queue/gutsy/new/
[04:55] <Riddell> voila
[04:56] <Hobbsee> just a mostly secret link
[05:08] <manchicken> Waaaah... the package is named but if you click it you get a file not found.
[05:09] <Riddell> click where?
[05:11] <kwwii> apachelogger: hehe, you noticed :-)
[05:12] <manchicken> Riddell: Argh, it's gone now.
[05:12] <manchicken> Does that mean it's now in the repo?
[05:13] <manchicken> Ooh, it also looks like emacs22 is in the queue :)
[06:39] <jhutchins_lt> !ops ubotu is missing in action on #kubuntu.  Thanks.
[06:53] <jhutchins_lt> fdoving: Ping?
[06:53] <fdoving> ack.
[06:53] <jhutchins_lt> ubotu is dead, missing from both #ubuntu and #kubuntu.
[06:53] <fdoving> yep, i know.
[06:54] <fdoving> http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi does work.
[06:54] <fdoving> the system is so vulnerable one person is needed to fix the bot.
[06:54] <fdoving> and he's not around.
[07:06] <jhutchins_lt> k.  Thanks for that at least.  Should I look for a certain person, or just assume that he'll know when he shows up?
[07:18] <DaSkreech> Sebas
[07:19] <DaSkreech> I thnk
[07:19] <jhutchins_lt> DaSkreech: Tnx, seveas, got it from the bot page.
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Damn tab :)
[07:20] <DaSkreech> Seveas :)
[07:26] <DaSkreech> Wow
[07:26] <DaSkreech> My X has been crashing like crazy since yesterday
[07:49] <manchicken> Is there an OCR program that'll work with PDF?
[08:24] <DaSkreech> How many people does canconical employ?
[08:25] <DaSkreech> Hi ubotu
[09:10] <manchicken> What's dapper running?
[09:14] <ScottK> 3.5.1
[09:14] <ScottK> But there are the unofficial kubuntu.org debs that go through 3.5.5 and work fine.
[09:23] <DaSkreech> Can I do an ls in a way that will only show me non directories?
[09:35] <xerosis> DaSkreech: ls -I */ ?
[09:36] <xerosis> wait, that doesn't quite work
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Eh?
[09:36] <DaSkreech> Unless I can ! that :)
[09:36] <xerosis> that should ignore all dirs
[09:36] <xerosis> but it goes into subdirs
[09:37] <xerosis> that's a capital i btw, not an l
[09:37] <DaSkreech> Aaaah :)
[09:51] <_StefanS_> hi
[09:51] <DaSkreech> hi
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I want to download the new kdelibs source in gutsy that (apparently) is maintained in bzr..
[09:54] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: you wont happen to know that ? ^
[09:54] <DaSkreech> That you wanted to download KDElibs?
[09:54] <_StefanS_> yep
[09:55] <_StefanS_> I just want the source code like normally using apt-get source <package>
[09:58] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: ? ^
[09:58] <DaSkreech> Hold on Drooling at GT5
[09:59] <_StefanS_> :)
[09:59] <_StefanS_> Gran Turismo HD?
[09:59] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[09:59] <DaSkreech> SOny is debuting it at E3 now
[10:00] <_StefanS_> sweeet
[10:00] <_StefanS_> I already have the free download on my PS3, kinda amazing
[10:00] <DaSkreech> Well if you turn it on now you they have the trailer for the new one for download
[10:01] <_StefanS_> oh nice
[10:01] <_StefanS_> Will do later
[10:02] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: so what about that apt-get source thingy?
[10:03] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: dont worry.. I figured it out
[10:26] <manchicken> Do we have a way to sort bookmarks in konqueror still?
[10:26] <manchicken> I'm having a hard time finding it in gutsy.
[10:46] <manchicken> It would be nice if kate didn't show a dialog box every time you tried to save using fish.'
[10:46] <ScottK> manchicken: Why are you using fish?
[10:47] <manchicken> Because I'm editing files on a machine over ssh :)
[10:47] <ScottK> manchicken: Use sftp instead of fish.
[10:47] <manchicken> SFTP isn't running on that box.
[10:47] <ScottK> Ah.
[10:47] <manchicken> I stand corrected.
[10:48] <manchicken> Does it not show the dialog with SFTP?
[10:48] <ScottK> Dunno, but fish drops a little perl script on the distant end and can have unfortunate concequences.  Particularly if you try to copy a lot of files.
[10:49] <ScottK> I've fork bombed a server by accident that way before.
[10:49] <ScottK> You're better off to use fish only when you must.
[10:49] <manchicken> Does it?
[10:50] <manchicken> Where and what is it called?
[10:50] <ScottK> Dunno the details.  I just recall the fork bomb and staying away from it since.
[10:50] <manchicken> Ah.  I've been using it for a while without issue.
[10:51] <ScottK> !worksforme
[10:51] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[10:51] <ScottK> Just because it usually works ...
[10:52] <manchicken> I'm not sure if that supported moving away from or towards what works.  heh
[10:52] <ScottK> SFTP is a safer protocol if it's available.   That's all.
[10:52] <ScottK> Your box, your choice.
[10:53] <manchicken> Dunno about that.
[10:53] <manchicken> Fish is just SCP, right?
[10:53] <manchicken> And it terminates after it's done, right?
[10:53] <ScottK> Yes it does terminate after it's done.
[10:53] <manchicken> Whereas SFTP maintains a session.  I would think that would be less "secure"
[10:54] <ScottK> It's as secure as ssh.
[10:54] <ScottK> With SSH the weak point in the security model is establishing the connection.  I'd argue breaking and making connections is less secure than maintaining one.
[10:55] <ScottK> I was thinking more about operational risk.
[10:56] <ScottK> The thing that got me was that since it's a bunch of single operations, fish clients will try to execute mutiple file transfers in parallel.  I was copying ~ 20,000 very small files.  Fork bomb.
[10:56] <ScottK> SFTP won't do that.  It'll do them sequentially on the single connection.
[10:58] <manchicken> Ah.
[10:58] <manchicken> I'm doing edits :)
[10:58] <manchicken> And KDE won't let you set up a "network folder" with sftp, will it?
[10:59] <ScottK> Dunno.  I just sftp to the site and leave the konq window open.
[11:01] <manchicken> I like using the remote folder thing so then I don't have to re-enter stuff in save dialogs all over the place.
[11:03] <ScottK> It may work.  I've just never tried it.
[11:05] <manchicken> It seems that we have some serious dependency issues with libgif4.
[11:18] <manchicken> You're right.  ~/.fishsrv.pl
[11:44] <apachelogger> Riddell: ping
[12:09] <Riddell> hi apachelogger
[12:10] <apachelogger> Riddell: hi, do we now have to get upstream to include a complete LGPL for the admin directory?
[12:10] <Riddell> yes
[12:11] <Riddell> if there is lgpl code in it
[12:11] <apachelogger> Riddell: fixed tarball isn't enough?
[12:11] <Riddell> meaning what?
[12:12] <apachelogger> I put a file into, until upstream releases a fixed tarball