| ubotu | New bug: #125147 in malone "ipw2200 intel wireless driver not the latest" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125147 | 12:20 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #125155 in launchpad-bazaar "code-import-sync script should delete dummy import branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125155 | 12:55 |
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| === Fujitsu wonders what exactly was wrong with SQLObject. | ||
| kiko | Fujitsu, have you ever developed using SQLObject? | 01:24 |
| kiko | there are so many problems I don't know where to start from :-) | 01:24 |
| kiko | but really, the two things that storm gives you on top of a better design: | 01:24 |
| kiko | - support for connecting to multiple databases at once | 01:25 |
| kiko | - an extensible API that lets you fetch objects and groups of objects in a single database query | 01:25 |
| kiko | (i.e. aggregate functions side-by-side with instances) | 01:25 |
| Fujitsu | I have developed small things with it, but nothing biggish. | 01:26 |
| kiko | it's generally okay | 01:26 |
| kiko | but the code is not very nice | 01:26 |
| radix | By the way, we've got a #storm channel on Freenode now. It's already kicking with activity. | 01:26 |
| Fujitsu | I suppose you wouldn't be reinventing the wheel without good reason. | 01:26 |
| kiko | and the API limitations above are a showstopper if you want to connect to multiple DBs | 01:26 |
| Fujitsu | Ah, nice. | 01:26 |
| kiko | or if you are performance-constrained | 01:27 |
| Fujitsu | Anyway, good to see small bits of LP being opened :) | 01:27 |
| kiko | we're getting there | 01:27 |
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| mpt | Gooooooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders! | 05:00 |
| Fujitsu | Hi mpt. | 05:03 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #125173 in malone "+viewstatus should no longer exist" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125173 | 05:30 |
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| gavinbaker | not to be a jerk, but is there a problem with launchpad.net's servers atm? | 07:50 |
| poolie | <poolie> is lp really slow today? | 07:50 |
| poolie | <poolie> afc was complaining about timeouts before | 07:50 |
| poolie | <poolie> now opening a bug page is taking 20s | 07:50 |
| poolie | in fact it's now up to nearly a minute | 07:50 |
| poolie | i think something must be wrong, because i would normally at least get an error message | 07:51 |
| gavinbaker | i'm getting 100% packet loss, and confirmed by another user. | 07:51 |
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| jml | spiv: can I grab you for a pre-impl call? | 07:58 |
| spiv | jml: sure | 08:00 |
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| poolie | gavinbaker, our sysadmins are working on the problem | 08:02 |
| gavinbaker | poolie, thanks for the status update | 08:02 |
| jml | spiv: on skype? | 08:02 |
| gavinbaker | and we were just looking forward to closing some bugs, too :) | 08:03 |
| poolie | :) | 08:03 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Launchpad is down, sysadmins are working on the problem | Next developer meeting: Thu 12 July 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Launchpad help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
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| mwh | no power in the DC again? | 08:18 |
| poolie | something like that | 08:18 |
| paulproteus | If someone gives me the Launchpad source, I could set up a live mirror service on my network space. | 08:18 |
| gavinbaker | paulproteus, sneaky way of getting the source ;) | 08:19 |
| paulproteus | I know it requires a few machines, but it happens that I do have a few machines. | 08:19 |
| mwh | i think getting you the database would take a while... | 08:19 |
| paulproteus | mwh, Especially if the Ethernet switches aren't powered on. (-; | 08:20 |
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| poolie | it's back now | 08:41 |
| gavinbaker | ah, so it is. thanks poolie | 08:43 |
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| carlos | morning | 09:21 |
| jtv | morning | 09:24 |
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| cprov | good morning | 09:32 |
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| pcardune | Word on the street at EuroPython is that the bzr smart server is now available on LaunchPad as of last thursday? Is this true? and where do I find out how to use it? | 10:40 |
| poolie | pcardune, i think that's true | 10:41 |
| === poolie tries | ||
| poolie | pcardune, you should be able to use it by just changing the sftp to bzr+ssh at the start of your urls | 10:44 |
| poolie | this may only work for branches that you can write to though? | 10:44 |
| mwh | no, there's read only access to all branches | 10:45 |
| poolie | mwh, bzr: ERROR: Not a branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/ | 10:49 |
| poolie | oh i see | 10:49 |
| poolie | there's no access to mirrored branches? | 10:49 |
| mwh | that shouldn't make any difference | 10:50 |
| poolie | well, it works with http and fails with ssh and sftp | 10:50 |
| mwh | it's working for me | 10:52 |
| poolie | really | 10:55 |
| mwh | slowly, because i'm on a choked connection but yes | 10:56 |
| poolie | you can access that branch i mentioned? bzr.dev? | 10:56 |
| mwh | yes | 10:58 |
| mwh | mithril:~/quake/qdp mwh$ bzr info bzr+ssh://mwhudson@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/ | 11:02 |
| mwh | Location: | 11:02 |
| mwh | branch root: bzr+ssh://mwhudson@bazaar.launchpad.net/~bzr/bzr/trunk/ | 11:02 |
| mwh | etc | 11:02 |
| poolie | that fails for me | 11:04 |
| poolie | even if i take out the mwhudson :) | 11:04 |
| mwhudson | bizarre | 11:04 |
| mwhudson | that's with 0.15 i think | 11:05 |
| poolie | i doubt it's a client side thing | 11:05 |
| poolie | i can see the server saying it doesn't exist | 11:05 |
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| poolie | with spiv's nice trace feature | 11:05 |
| mwh | how very strange | 11:13 |
| === mwh has a theory but really hopes it's wrong | ||
| mwh | (it is, good) | 11:15 |
| mwh | the logs from the supermirror are not exactly informative :/ | 11:18 |
| === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Launchpad - https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 12 July 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Launchpad help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 | ||
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| Lux01 | hi. I'm new to Launchpad and I'm having difficulty registering a bzr branch. I don't understand what format it wants the "Branch URL" to be. I looked at www.bazaar-vcs.org but couldn't find anything of help. | 12:17 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #125232 in launchpad "FAQ about "Launchpad is down for maintenance" is out of date" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125232 | 01:50 |
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| kiko | cprov, bigjools: ping | 03:43 |
| bigjools | kiko, yep? | 03:44 |
| kiko | bigjools, can you two step into #lm for one sec? | 03:44 |
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| === bac tea. brb | ||
| flacoste | it's time for the non .au Launchpad Reviewers Meeting | 04:00 |
| flacoste | who's here today? | 04:00 |
| statik | me | 04:00 |
| barry | me | 04:00 |
| flacoste | BjornT send his apology, he's at EuroPython | 04:01 |
| barry | bac said he'd be right back, so maybe it's just the 4 of us | 04:01 |
| flacoste | Salgado is somewhere in Scotland | 04:01 |
| bac | me | 04:01 |
| flacoste | == Agenda == | 04:02 |
| flacoste | * Roll call | 04:02 |
| flacoste | * Next meeting | 04:02 |
| flacoste | * Queue status. | 04:02 |
| flacoste | * Timely assignment of queue items | 04:02 |
| flacoste | Is July 19th 16:00 UTC a good time for next meeting? | 04:02 |
| flacoste | err, sorry | 04:02 |
| flacoste | July _18th_ | 04:02 |
| barry | you mean instead of 1400 utc? | 04:03 |
| bac | +1 1400 UTC | 04:03 |
| flacoste | yeah, 1400 UTC | 04:03 |
| flacoste | sorry | 04:03 |
| barry | +1 | 04:03 |
| statik | +1 | 04:03 |
| === flacoste takes some deep breath to wake up | ||
| flacoste | queue status: i see a big improvement on the queue from last Friday | 04:04 |
| flacoste | but the queue is still huge | 04:04 |
| barry | indeed | 04:05 |
| flacoste | 35 open reviews, 28 over SLA | 04:05 |
| bac | huge *and* colorful | 04:05 |
| flacoste | what's worrying me is that we also have a lot of unallocated reviews | 04:05 |
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| flacoste | 16 unallocated | 04:05 |
| statik | lifeless said that he would not be allocating reviews while he was away, did someone else take over? | 04:06 |
| barry | what worries me is that reviewers also have a limited amount of time to resolve the review comments of their own branches too. there's a real tension there that could end up biting us. | 04:06 |
| flacoste | indeed | 04:06 |
| flacoste | statik: i heard james took the responsibility | 04:07 |
| flacoste | but i never saw that on-list | 04:07 |
| statik | flacoste: oh, good to know. right, I never saw an ack on-list | 04:07 |
| flacoste | and i'm sure it wasn't true, otherwise james forgot to do it | 04:07 |
| barry | flacoste: i remember the same thing. also, we're allowed to snag items off the general queue if we have some free time. i plan on doing that. | 04:07 |
| lifeless | jamesh agreed to do it on irc | 04:07 |
| bac | i'll try to take a couple later this afternoon. | 04:08 |
| flacoste | he did | 04:08 |
| flacoste | ? | 04:08 |
| lifeless | yes | 04:08 |
| flacoste | then he forgot to do it... | 04:08 |
| flacoste | barry: i'll clear my queue today and continue to snag off items afterwards | 04:08 |
| barry | i propose to keep things fair, snag branches from the top, unless of course it's your branch | 04:09 |
| flacoste | barry: right | 04:09 |
| flacoste | off topic: i'm pleased though with the new incremental diff support | 04:10 |
| flacoste | should make allocation easier also | 04:11 |
| flacoste | since you'll see the right size of the diff! | 04:11 |
| barry | it really helped for one of the reviews i did! | 04:11 |
| lifeless | yes | 04:11 |
| flacoste | statik, bac: what's your availability for reviews this week? | 04:11 |
| bac | i'm tied up most of the day. can do some tomorrow. i have an unallocated branch in the queue that will take priority when it gets reviewed. | 04:12 |
| statik | flacoste: I have one overdue review, and have a lot of other commitments...I was actually considering rejecting the current review, but I feel too guilty to do that | 04:12 |
| statik | I got partway through it yesterday | 04:13 |
| flacoste | ok, anything else to add on queue status? | 04:14 |
| flacoste | 3 | 04:14 |
| flacoste | 2 | 04:14 |
| bac | yes | 04:14 |
| flacoste | ? | 04:14 |
| bac | i have a review for barry that needs to be mentored | 04:14 |
| flacoste | bac: send it my way | 04:14 |
| bac | kiko tentatively accepted it yesterday but i may need to come back today | 04:14 |
| bac | thanks flacoste | 04:14 |
| flacoste | anything else? | 04:14 |
| flacoste | moving on: Timely assignment of queue items | 04:15 |
| flacoste | i think this is a follow-up from last week | 04:15 |
| flacoste | do we have something else to say about this? | 04:16 |
| barry | i don't ;) | 04:17 |
| flacoste | i have a question: | 04:17 |
| flacoste | anybody noticed that allocation wasn't taking place? | 04:17 |
| flacoste | i did | 04:17 |
| flacoste | my question is what should we do, when we notice this? | 04:18 |
| bac | yes | 04:18 |
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| flacoste | i think prompt response to this event is needed, since the review process becomes an important plan of having a smooth time-based release | 04:19 |
| barry | flacoste: several thoughts... | 04:19 |
| barry | we should explicitly state who the allocator is on the PendingReviews page, and if that person is away, be explicit about handing it off to someone else (i.e. update the page) | 04:20 |
| barry | so at least we're certain who to bug when we notice the constipation | 04:20 |
| barry | second... | 04:20 |
| barry | perhaps we need a cronjob or something that emails the reviews list when it sees no allocations from the general queue in a day or two, or just send that email to the allocator | 04:20 |
| barry | it could probably be done as part of the pending-reviews script | 04:21 |
| barry | (over) | 04:21 |
| bac | what about spreading out the responsibility? perhaps having a non-AU person help with allocations. | 04:22 |
| flacoste | lifeless: any comments on this ^^^ | 04:22 |
| barry | bac: oh that's so low-tech it just might work :) | 04:22 |
| flacoste | barry: i think we definitavely need #1 | 04:22 |
| flacoste | i had a similar idea to your second suggestion, but low-tech | 04:23 |
| lifeless | salgado is doing offset allocations too, but hes on leave right now | 04:23 |
| lifeless | I agree that we should record who is nominated when allocations change hands temporarily | 04:23 |
| flacoste | reviewers noticing a lapse in allocation should mail the person responsible cc launchpad-reviews | 04:23 |
| barry | flacoste: +1 | 04:23 |
| lifeless | if you notice constipation, why not just allocate ? | 04:23 |
| flacoste | that's another possibility | 04:24 |
| lifeless | I'm -1 on whinging, just dig in an fix it | 04:24 |
| lifeless | send a mail saying that you ahve done an adhoc allocation sure. | 04:24 |
| flacoste | i like this proposal | 04:24 |
| flacoste | any objections? | 04:24 |
| lifeless | but whatever reason the person allocating hasn't won't be fixed by just amiling - thus the do it and mail combination. | 04:24 |
| barry | well, i just want to be careful not to perceive constipation when it's not there | 04:25 |
| lifeless | ideally everything would be allocated always | 04:25 |
| lifeless | there are some concerns | 04:25 |
| flacoste | lifeless: yeah, maybe you could explain how you do the allocation? | 04:25 |
| barry | +1, on a wiki page linked from PendingReviews preferrably | 04:26 |
| flacoste | obvious criteria is previous allocation of reviewer | 04:26 |
| barry | we also have new reviewer nominations coming up soon, so we should think about that. more reviewers would definitely help | 04:28 |
| flacoste | indeed | 04:29 |
| barry | (and graduations of currently mentored reviewers :) | 04:29 |
| lifeless | problem is that if say spiv does his reviews at 9am | 04:29 |
| lifeless | if I allocate at 9am, then I can see his load at the same point in his cycle each day | 04:30 |
| lifeless | if I say 'hes busy, no new reviews', he does his reviews, and then someone comes along at 11am and says 'look spiv has space' this may cause uneven load | 04:31 |
| lifeless | load is really the number of needs-review PLUS the number of needs-reply I think, but needs-reply could maybe be weighted lower or something | 04:31 |
| lifeless | thats my only concern about any reviewer allocating as needed. But I think its better to allocate when it is congested to keep it moving. | 04:32 |
| flacoste | to alleviate the "point-in-time" problem we could track the number of lines reviewed in the last week | 04:32 |
| flacoste | this would give a better idea of the workload that is more independant than the time where people do reviews | 04:33 |
| barry | flacoste: something like that might work. it should take into account merge-approved and merge-conditional for the week too, weighted down though. maybe something like lines(needs-review) + lines(merge-*, needs-reply) * 0.5 ? | 04:34 |
| lifeless | I think its good to address that in reviews-in-lp | 04:34 |
| lifeless | but not enough of a win to do today | 04:34 |
| lifeless | congestion should be the exception no tthe rule | 04:34 |
| flacoste | right | 04:35 |
| flacoste | it usually work fine | 04:35 |
| lifeless | I'd add a heuristic to 'its congested' - 10 unassigned is not congested.11 is | 04:35 |
| lifeless | its not uncommon for me to get up and see 10 having turned up overnight/over the weekend | 04:35 |
| lifeless | and we have enough reviewers that thats only a couple each | 04:35 |
| barry | sounds good | 04:36 |
| flacoste | to me congested is more two days without allocation | 04:36 |
| flacoste | regardless of number of unallocated | 04:36 |
| lifeless | flacoste: trust me, we can congest instantly at release time :) | 04:36 |
| flacoste | i think this is a different problem | 04:37 |
| lifeless | indeed :) | 04:37 |
| lifeless | anyhow, the huesristic is just to put a feel on it, really use yoru common sense | 04:37 |
| flacoste | the prob lem I'm concerned is that when allocation doesn't happen for two days, the newly allocated review is right over the SLA | 04:37 |
| lifeless | meh, my spellink iz bustificated | 04:37 |
| flacoste | use common sense: +1 on that | 04:37 |
| flacoste | ok, any other comments on this topic? | 04:37 |
| flacoste | 3 | 04:38 |
| flacoste | 2 | 04:38 |
| flacoste | 1 | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | <whisper> I object! </whisper> | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | :p | 04:38 |
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| lifeless | troll! | 04:38 |
| barry | Hobbsee: can we start assigning reviews to you? :) | 04:38 |
| flacoste | any other things to discuss? | 04:38 |
| flacoste | 3 | 04:38 |
| Hobbsee | barry: hah | 04:38 |
| flacoste | 2 | 04:39 |
| flacoste | 1 | 04:39 |
| flacoste | MEETING ENDS | 04:39 |
| barry | thanks! | 04:39 |
| flacoste | Thanks everyone for attending | 04:39 |
| bac | thanks all | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | barry: now i'd find that a little difficult, seeing as i couldnt access the stuff to review :P | 04:39 |
| barry | Hobbsee: details, details :) | 04:39 |
| Hobbsee | barry: haha. nor how to review, etc, etc :P. but mere details, yes. | 04:40 |
| barry | :) | 04:40 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #125261 in blueprint "Partially functioning blueprint registration page for distro series." [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125261 | 05:06 |
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| ubotu | New bug: #125279 in launchpad "Publishing an update to *-proposed incorrectly marks bug "Fix Released"" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125279 | 06:50 |
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| tsmithe | having never been an archive admin before, i'd like to learn how to remove packages from one; i'm mainly interested in removing packages from my PPA | 09:07 |
| kiko | tsmithe, you can't do that yes. RSN. :) | 09:09 |
| kiko | yet. | 09:09 |
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| tsmithe | RSN? | 09:10 |
| tsmithe | i guess i'll just have to bump a new version upload | 09:10 |
| tsmithe | (just seems so cluttered after making one versioning mistake :) ) | 09:11 |
| statik | I know, right? As soon as I uploaded something to my PPA I felt the need to delete it. | 09:16 |
| tsmithe | hehe | 09:17 |
| statik | there is some part of my brain incapable of seeing my mistakes until I expose them publicly | 09:18 |
| tsmithe | well, i often find that. (although this time it wasn't a mistake, just ignorance) | 09:18 |
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| kiko | tsmithe! | 09:23 |
| kiko | Real | 09:23 |
| kiko | Soon | 09:23 |
| kiko | Now | 09:23 |
| kiko | :) | 09:23 |
| tsmithe | ahhhha | 09:23 |
| tsmithe | (duh! :p) | 09:23 |
| tsmithe | how will canonical handle copyright issues in PPAs? what about people distributing "bad" code? | 09:25 |
| kiko | tsmithe, with a Big Stick :) | 09:27 |
| kiko | more seriously | 09:27 |
| tsmithe | hehe | 09:27 |
| kiko | when requesting a PPA you'll be asked to accept the TOU | 09:27 |
| kiko | and we will send chinese ninjas to your home if you violate them | 09:28 |
| tsmithe | makes sense | 09:28 |
| kiko | err, sorry, typo | 09:28 |
| tsmithe | haha | 09:28 |
| kiko | I meant we will be very cross if you violate them | 09:28 |
| tsmithe | yes, obviously | 09:28 |
| tsmithe | (i don't recall accepting any TOU :p) | 09:28 |
| kiko | tsmithe, you're special! | 09:28 |
| tsmithe | yay! | 09:28 |
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| kiko | dogfoodin' the evil code | 09:29 |
| tsmithe | hehe | 09:29 |
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| LarstiQ | kiko: http://timhatch.com/projects/pybraces/ | 09:55 |
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| kiko | LarstiQ, stop trying to scare me I'm sensitive | 10:03 |
| LarstiQ | kiko: but you mentioned evil! | 10:03 |
| kiko | in the PPA context | 10:05 |
| kiko | OMG is that going to be in a PPA too!!! | 10:05 |
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| tsmithe | rargh i want to delete all these packages and start again :'( | 10:47 |
| kiko | tsmithe, :) just keep uploading and the domination code will get rid of the old ones. | 10:48 |
| tsmithe | well, i don't want to break upgrades between repositories, and i just realised, by bumping a version to fix the ftbfs, i already did | 10:49 |
| kiko | between repositories? | 10:50 |
| kiko | by bumping version do you mean tacking on -tsmithe2 or something different? | 10:50 |
| tsmithe | kiko, that kind of thing :) | 10:50 |
| kiko | that shouldn't break upgrades | 10:51 |
| tsmithe | by between repositories, i mean this is a preliminary package, which i hope to get uploaded to debian | 10:51 |
| tsmithe | hmm ok if you say so | 10:51 |
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