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| lapo | re | 04:49 |
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| sy135 | hey all | 06:32 |
| sy135 | gibt es empfehlungen fr corelDraw umsteiger? | 06:32 |
| kwwii | inkscape | 06:35 |
| sy135 | okay *g* | 06:49 |
| sy135 | und wech isser | 06:49 |
| kwwii | nee | 06:49 |
| sy135 | sind hier immer so wenig? | 06:49 |
| kwwii | ich bin noch da | 06:49 |
| sy135 | ah da isser ja | 06:49 |
| sy135 | was hlst du von ubuntustudio? | 06:50 |
| kwwii | n'ja...wir reden normaleweise kein Deutsch hier :-) | 06:50 |
| sy135 | ach deshalb *g* | 06:50 |
| sy135 | egal *g* | 06:50 |
| kwwii | habe ich nie so richtig gesehen | 06:50 |
| sy135 | weiter | 06:50 |
| sy135 | also hast du "nur" ubuntu drauf? | 06:50 |
| kwwii | neee, ich mache alles | 06:51 |
| sy135 | alles? | 06:52 |
| kwwii | alle varianten | 06:52 |
| kwwii | k,x,edu,ubuntu | 06:52 |
| sy135 | was heisst du machsT? | 06:52 |
| sy135 | Du machst Artwork? | 06:52 |
| kwwii | yupp | 06:52 |
| sy135 | ah verstehe | 06:52 |
| sy135 | ich bin eigentlich ein Win umsteiger | 06:53 |
| kwwii | ich arbeite fr canonical | 06:53 |
| sy135 | habe aber schon seit anfang diesen jahres nur noch ubuntu drauf | 06:53 |
| sy135 | ne zeitlang kanotiux | 06:53 |
| sy135 | kanotiyx | 06:53 |
| sy135 | kanotix | 06:53 |
| kwwii | hehe, cool | 06:53 |
| sy135 | ich brauche meinen pc fr internet email office und vor allem photobearbeitung und grafik | 06:53 |
| sy135 | ach canonical ist iniziator von ubuntu oder? | 06:54 |
| kwwii | inkscape ist gut fr vektor sachen, xara extreme war auch nicht schlecht aber ich weiss nicht wie viel noch dran gearbeitet wird | 06:54 |
| kwwii | genau | 06:54 |
| sy135 | naja von xara bin ich bissle enttuscht | 06:55 |
| sy135 | inkscape ist oka | 06:55 |
| sy135 | y | 06:55 |
| sy135 | gimp ist super natrlich | 06:55 |
| kwwii | es fehlt aber vieles und manchen funktionen sind einfach kaputt | 06:55 |
| sy135 | Du muss kurz wech | 06:55 |
| sy135 | ja es gibt halt auch nichtmal kommerziell viel :-( | 06:56 |
| kwwii | stimmt | 06:56 |
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| sy135 | who's here | 09:08 |
| sy135 | ? | 09:08 |
| nysosym | here | 09:09 |
| darkmatter | not me.. this is just a holographic projection | 09:15 |
| sy135 | any sugestions for graphic software? | 09:15 |
| sy135 | any suggestions for graphic software? | 09:15 |
| sy135 | tips? | 09:15 |
| troy_s | sy135: What is your background? | 09:16 |
| sy135 | corelDraw, Illustrator freehand, photoshop | 09:16 |
| sy135 | gimp is okay! | 09:17 |
| troy_s | sy135: No I mean artistically | 09:17 |
| sy135 | not much background | 09:17 |
| sy135 | i need software to view and clean photos of my DSLR | 09:18 |
| sy135 | and to draw graphics | 09:18 |
| sy135 | i used photosohop elements and corel draw before | 09:18 |
| troy_s | sy135: To view photos, you have a pretty wide selection of tools... if you are looking for 16 bits per channel colour, cinepaint is probably the only reliable body in that regard. | 09:19 |
| sy135 | cinepaint? | 09:19 |
| sy135 | commercial? | 09:19 |
| troy_s | sy135: If you don't fuss about that, you can use just about any viewer for 8 bit viewing. | 09:20 |
| troy_s | sy135: no. | 09:20 |
| troy_s | sy135: Cinepaint is the only app that is capable of 16bits per channel currently -- the rest do a downres to 8bits per channel. | 09:20 |
| sy135 | ok i see, what's the difference to gimp? | 09:20 |
| sy135 | its gimp based, isn't it? | 09:20 |
| troy_s | sy135: I just told you. | 09:20 |
| troy_s | it was. | 09:20 |
| sy135 | okay | 09:20 |
| nysosym | troy_s: but no monitor can use 16Bit colors ;) | 09:21 |
| sy135 | i heard that gimp couldnt handle cmyk models? | 09:21 |
| troy_s | sy135: To be honest, there is probably zero people in the FS world who need 16 bits per channel. | 09:21 |
| sy135 | sure | 09:21 |
| sy135 | *g* | 09:21 |
| sy135 | 16bits per 3 channels perhaps | 09:21 |
| sy135 | *g* | 09:21 |
| troy_s | sy135: cmyk isn't an end all. Work it out with your printer. I wouldn't professionally get ANYTHING printed without proofs and such, and I certainly wouldn't rely on a colour profile. | 09:22 |
| troy_s | 16 bits per channel | 09:22 |
| troy_s | where a channel is R/G/B | 09:22 |
| troy_s | sy135: Most of the other apps will deliver CMYK, but again, without a reliable proofing cycle CMYK is relatively useless too. | 09:22 |
| troy_s | sy135: In the end, you simply need to test run and tweak. | 09:23 |
| andreasn | krita should work pretty well with cmyk and 32bit if I recall correctly | 09:23 |
| sy135 | okay thanks troy_s, andreasn and nysosym | 09:24 |
| sy135 | and what's abot vector graphics? only inkscpae and xara? | 09:24 |
| troy_s | yes | 09:25 |
| nysosym | inkscape or xara, try it, but xara free has a horrible svg support | 09:25 |
| andreasn | inkscape works very well, I don't know what happened to the xara development of late | 09:25 |
| sy135 | xara is buggy i think | 09:26 |
| sy135 | but corel is the best i think | 09:26 |
| sy135 | but there is no version to ubuntu :-) | 09:26 |
| sy135 | :-( | 09:26 |
| troy_s | xara isn't free either and dev has ceased. | 09:26 |
| nysosym | the best is illustrator :D | 09:26 |
| troy_s | inkscape can do whatever you want it to. | 09:26 |
| nysosym | illustrator has a much faster render engine and some other cool stuff (CS3) | 09:27 |
| sy135 | but illustrator is not for linux | 09:27 |
| troy_s | who the fuck cares | 09:28 |
| troy_s | find someone who can use it. | 09:28 |
| sy135 | any other ideas? | 09:28 |
| troy_s | sy135: Inkscape works great... you can do some quite detailed work with it. | 09:28 |
| troy_s | http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/troy.sobotka/ImageDump/photo#5068722476331584498 | 09:28 |
| troy_s | or traditional linework styled illustration | 09:28 |
| troy_s | http://picasaweb.google.co.uk/troy.sobotka/ImageDump/photo#5068723588728114178 | 09:28 |
| troy_s | blah | 09:28 |
| troy_s | there will be far better examples as I am a complete and utter hack, but you get the idea. | 09:28 |
| nysosym | troy_s: sure, everything is possible, but in illustrator in a much easier way, against inkscape | 09:30 |
| troy_s | nysosym: I disagree... I have used both. Inkscape is top shelf in many regards. | 09:30 |
| troy_s | nysosym: It is merely preference. | 09:31 |
| troy_s | nysosym: And the willingness to learn I suppose. | 09:31 |
| sy135 | perhaps if anyone who uses these software (ps, illustrtor, etc) ilegally! | 09:32 |
| nysosym | don't get me wrong, i like inkscape a lot (a good OSX port would be nice), but in my experience i have a good results in a faster way with illustrator | 09:33 |
| sy135 | :-) | 09:33 |
| troy_s | Whatever. Use it then. Yay. | 09:33 |
| nysosym | sy135: no legal, student discount :D | 09:33 |
| sy135 | i know many people who uses ilegal software and say shit fucking linux and so on | 09:34 |
| sy135 | but if they have to buy for this software they would think in an other way | 09:34 |
| sy135 | i used a student copy of coreldraw x3 | 09:34 |
| nysosym | fully agreed | 09:34 |
| sy135 | but its not compatibel with wine or so | 09:35 |
| sy135 | and i dont want to use win anymore | 09:35 |
| troy_s | sy135: In the end, most of the bitcher and complainer types aren't worth the skin that they reside in, so don't worry about them. There is also a lot more to the picture than simply wanting to use a 'tool'. Historically, great art has always had a political side dish. | 09:35 |
| sy135 | win is a gamers os | 09:35 |
| sy135 | troy_s: agree! | 09:35 |
| troy_s | sy135: But again, that is only something you would learn through a longer term degree and a good study of contextual art. | 09:35 |
| troy_s | sy135: 'our' world is ripe for an artistic movement. It is perhaps a matter of time. | 09:36 |
| sy135 | matter of time! i hope it will be not a longterm | 09:36 |
| troy_s | andreasn and the boys of Tango are already creating a little revolution of their own with that project, so perhaps more lofty ideals aren't far behind. | 09:37 |
| sy135 | any other software suggestions? | 09:38 |
| nysosym | troy_s: btw. which digital camera do you use to make your photos? | 09:38 |
| andreasn | "The Boys of Tango" :) | 09:38 |
| andreasn | better than "Monkeys on crack" I guess :) | 09:38 |
| nysosym | sounds like a Song ^^ | 09:39 |
| troy_s | nysosym: I have legacy glass so I have a body that works with them. | 09:39 |
| andreasn | it sound like a barbershop band or something | 09:39 |
| troy_s | lol | 09:39 |
| andreasn | not a bad idea in itself perhaps ;) | 09:39 |
| troy_s | andreasn: Yeah you just need Don Henley to write you a song. | 09:39 |
| andreasn | totally | 09:39 |
| sy135 | nysosym: an ixus V *g* | 09:40 |
| sy135 | no that's just my fun cam | 09:40 |
| sy135 | it's a canon Digital EOS | 09:40 |
| troy_s | nysosym: I have long used Pentax bodies (thanks to the most consistent mount), so I evolved to the Pentax digital. I am considering a 1:1 though, which means probably depressingly stepping into Canon's ugly realm. | 09:40 |
| sy135 | what does realm mean? | 09:42 |
| troy_s | sy135: "world" in a loose sort of way. | 09:42 |
| troy_s | sy135: Canon has a relatively decent 1:1 body. | 09:43 |
| sy135 | okay i understand | 09:43 |
| sy135 | i'm a newbie in SLR photographis, but i will learn | 09:44 |
| sy135 | you now a software like picasa on unix? | 09:44 |
| sy135 | the picasa port over wine is buggy i thiink | 09:44 |
| troy_s | sy135: Not understanding. You want something to library your photos? | 09:44 |
| troy_s | sy135: FSpot does a good job of that, and the K* folks have a few apps that migrate your photos to an online vendor such as Picassa / Flickr | 09:45 |
| sy135 | you don't know the picasa software? | 09:45 |
| sy135 | fspot i notice | 09:45 |
| troy_s | sy135: I don't bother with software. I simply figure out what I want and how to get there then choose the software that will do that -- sometimes it is a few different pieces along the way. | 09:46 |
| troy_s | sy135: Relying on one piece of software for everything is a little suboptimal for me. Various bits do various details well. For example, I would die without imagemagick. | 09:46 |
| nysosym | troy_s: ahh ok thx, i will start in dslr and i can't decide which company i should use "for life", canon or pentax, on the canon side is the really good eos400d and by pentax k10d. I really difficult decide... | 09:46 |
| troy_s | nysosym: If you care about things like DoF and such | 09:47 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Then you are going to want to migrate to a nice 1:1 or medium format camera... if the latter, you are pretty much trapped in HB land. | 09:47 |
| troy_s | nysosym: as with their history, they are pushing medium format into the digital era. | 09:47 |
| troy_s | http://www.hasselblad.com/ | 09:47 |
| nysosym | ohh yeah 1:1 is very very nice, but a matter of money ;) | 09:48 |
| troy_s | nysosym: On practical terms, the contemporary 'viewer' generally will see depth cues associated with standard 35mm limitations -- hence the drive towards a 1:1 | 09:48 |
| sy135 | nysosym: i've got the 400d! im really satisfied! | 09:48 |
| troy_s | nysosym: When you start looking at the DoF, digital really shows its limitations. | 09:48 |
| sy135 | 1:1 means fullformat-chip? | 09:49 |
| troy_s | nysosym: And the uber-wide zone -- the lenses just don't go into pleasant wide mode. | 09:49 |
| nysosym | yes | 09:49 |
| troy_s | sy135: Yes. standard 35mm aspect ratio. | 09:49 |
| sy135 | sorry i'm german | 09:49 |
| troy_s | sy135: It only matters because the nature of optics dictate that your depth of field will not be the same for a given frame size. | 09:49 |
| troy_s | sy135: So even with an equivalent say, 100mm lens in digital land, your circles of confusion will be smaller and therefore you will have a greater depth of field in a sub 35mm format chip. | 09:50 |
| sy135 | for sure | 09:50 |
| nysosym | sure 1:1 is a option for the future, but at moment is a 1:1 camera in a priceless area | 09:51 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Actually, the Canon body is very affordable. | 09:51 |
| nysosym | Eos 5D ? | 09:51 |
| sy135 | nysosym: photographing is not just a work of your camera, think of it! | 09:51 |
| nysosym | my limit is 1000 incl. optic | 09:52 |
| sy135 | you can make good photos with your mobilephone at all! | 09:52 |
| troy_s | sy135: Well part of it is... you can't exactly do a rear net or bellows without an slr :) | 09:52 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Let me do a quick bit of research before I head out... hold on. | 09:52 |
| nysosym | sy135: sure, but my compact camera has many limitations and i will have all options, these would be possible with a dslr camera with changeable optics | 09:53 |
| troy_s | nysosym: I think there is a model coming out soon with 1:1 and more consumer priced... IIRC the 5D is the entry level 1:1 | 09:54 |
| troy_s | remember though, when Kodak released the first digital 1:1 camera aeons ago, it was 25 grand :) | 09:54 |
| troy_s | give it about 6 months and the proliferation of 1:1s should be further along. | 09:55 |
| nysosym | ok, i will wait :) | 09:55 |
| nysosym | in these time, i will use my old slr :) | 09:57 |
| troy_s | nysosym: I would. I am pretty sure I remember reading about Canon releasing another 1:1 and the other vendors will have 1:1s in that range soon. | 09:57 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Yeah, or pick up a cheap dSLR body -- they are quite inexpensive these days. | 09:57 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Especially if you just pick up the body. | 09:57 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Hell... one of the most successful and prolific music video directors / illustrator / photographer of all time used broken lenses to define his style. | 09:58 |
| nysosym | troy_s: i need new optics and a new body, my old optics are very used :D | 09:58 |
| troy_s | nysosym: With literal cracks in the lens. | 09:58 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Old optics are great! Experiment with them if you don't care about them any more. | 09:59 |
| nysosym | troy_s: what is the name of these man? | 09:59 |
| troy_s | http://www.tlchicken.com/view_story.php?ARTid=3345 | 09:59 |
| nysosym | these pictures are made with broken optics? | 10:00 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Won elsies and numerous other awards. Illustrator, artist, photographer, director... | 10:00 |
| troy_s | nysosym: Most of his award winning videos were shot with broken lenses | 10:01 |
| troy_s | nysosym: The cleft in the lens -- a deep crack or something -- leaves a strange 'blur' in the area that moves to pure sharpness... | 10:01 |
| troy_s | let me see if i can find you a sample | 10:01 |
| troy_s | (utube flash) | 10:01 |
| troy_s | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=380J5LTvokw | 10:02 |
| troy_s | arguably one of the greatest bits of video photography. won many many awards. | 10:02 |
| troy_s | another stunning bit of work from mahurin | 10:03 |
| troy_s | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrDQyNwVOQg | 10:03 |
| nysosym | ohh Metallica i love it :D | 10:03 |
| troy_s | i hate metallica, but that video is absolutely amazing. | 10:04 |
| troy_s | beautiful photography | 10:04 |
| troy_s | there is one more that might interest you | 10:05 |
| troy_s | an upandcomer | 10:05 |
| troy_s | http://www.claudiomiranda.com/perfectmov.html | 10:05 |
| troy_s | claudio miranda | 10:05 |
| troy_s | _stunning_ photography in that work . | 10:05 |
| troy_s | very matt mahurin influenced too as you can see. | 10:05 |
| nysosym | troy_s: i can see a little bit of math in your photos on picasa web ;) | 10:06 |
| troy_s | nysosym: some of my music video photography is up on my blog | 10:07 |
| troy_s | nysosym: not terrific stuff in there as generally artists and fecking heads of companies such as Universal get involved... which is why i have so much respect for photography that ends up as amazing as mahurin's or miranda's work. | 10:07 |
| sy135 | cool links | 10:09 |
| sy135 | i've bookmarked them | 10:09 |
| sy135 | thanks for helping me | 10:09 |
| sy135 | will be back soon! | 10:09 |
| sy135 | have a good time! | 10:09 |
| nysosym | yes, have also a good time ;) | 10:09 |
| nysosym | troy_s: where are your blog? | 10:10 |
| nysosym | this one? | 10:13 |
| nysosym | http://troy-sobotka.blogspot.com/ | 10:13 |
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