[12:12] <mneptok> Mithrandir: go to bed
[12:12] <Mithrandir> mneptok: it's not even midnight here.
[12:13] <pitti> and the hotel wifi is really good tonight, too :)
[12:13] <Mithrandir> yeah, seems to be
[12:13] <mneptok> i thought you were UTC+3 at the moment ...
[12:13] <pitti> no, +1
[12:13] <mneptok> oh, you're in .uk
[12:14] <Mithrandir> we are
[12:14] <Mithrandir> even so, I'm going to bed soonish
[12:14] <Mithrandir> just not right now
[12:14] <seb128> pitti: don't burn your laptop or the good wifi will be of no use for you ;)
[12:14] <Mithrandir> mneptok: mm, rum
[12:14] <seb128> mneptok: should try rum and compiz for a change
[12:15] <pitti> then the windows will wiggle even with metacity
[12:15] <mneptok> Mithrandir: i got Monty@MySQL a *really* nice bottle of Kentucky bourbon this weekend. it will be hard to ship it and not drink it. :)
[12:16] <Mithrandir> mneptok: I should be moved into a more customer-facing position so I get to buy alcohol for company money too. :-P
[12:18] <mneptok> Mithrandir: oh, this is all between us as friends.
[12:18] <mneptok> no company money involved
[12:19] <Mithrandir> oh, ok.
[12:32] <pitti> good night everyone
[12:55] <shawarma> Oh, Ian actually *wrote* userv.
[12:56] <ion_> Oh, wow. I thought he transfers the code to the computer telepathically.
[12:58] <mneptok> ion_: no, that works in the opposite direction. Ian's machine tells him things. Bad things.
[07:46] <jikanter> anyone have any idea why security.ubuntu.com is down? usually I wouldn't ask such a question here but I figure if someone knows the answer, it probably would be someone in here.
[08:03] <poolie>  the ubuntu datacentre is having network problems; our sysadmins are working on it
[08:04] <StevenK> poolie: Thanks for the heads up.
[08:06] <poolie> n.
[08:06] <poolie> np
[08:12] <poolie> thom, ping?
[08:14] <lifeless> hiya folk; I hate power-greyouts
[08:14] <poolie> lifeless, also the DC is having trouble
[08:15] <lifeless> yeah
[08:15] <lifeless> not my problem to fix though; from vilnius :)
[08:16] <mneptok> it's dark. hold me.
[08:16] <poolie> well, lucky for them it's almost a decent time in london
[08:16] <lifeless> mneptok: ;(
[08:17] <mneptok> does anyone have any ruby slippers?
[08:17] <poolie> i have ugg boots
[08:17] <mneptok> there's no place like ~/
[09:18] <csj> hello, I try to write a resolution switcher and I use xrandr to list supported resolutions, max = 800x480, but some window larger than 800x480, how to set X to 800x600 and compressed vertical resolution?
[09:20] <csj> or another mode when mouse move clear the sceen brink, screen will scrolling
[09:20] <csj> I see the switcher in Intel Classmate PC, and try to implement it
[09:23] <poolie> csj, as far as i know you can't set the virtual desktop size through xrandr
[09:23] <poolie> if that's what you're trying to do
[09:25] <csj> hmm, I try to look for something else like mergedfb, thanks, poolie :)
[09:29] <shirish> guys has upstart completely replaced sysvinit or not?
[09:30] <poolie> shirish, in feisty and onwards, yes
[09:30] <poolie> i believe so
[09:30] <shirish> ubotu upstart
[09:30] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[09:31] <shirish> poolie: Is there a way to know if I'm using sysvinit or upstart or not?
[09:32] <shirish> meant if I'm using sysvinit or upstart, how to know the difference?
[09:37] <pbn> if you have problems with the shutdown command, it means you're using upstart
[09:37] <pbn> heh :)
[09:37] <pbn> see bug 74139
[09:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 74139 in upstart "shutdown missing -F (force fsck) option" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/74139
[09:38] <poolie> shirish, dpkg -S /sbin/init maybe
[09:40] <shirish> poolie: ok yes, shirish@ubuntu:~$ dpkg -S /sbin/init
[09:40] <shirish> upstart: /sbin/init
[09:41] <shirish> poolie: so BUM works or doesn't work anymore, any ideas?
[09:42] <shirish> ubotu bum
[09:42] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[09:42] <poolie> i have no idea what BUM is
[09:43] <shirish> poolie: look up, bum=Boot Up Manager, a GUI for stopping & starting services in universe
[10:10] <thom> poolie: hey?
[10:20] <Tonio_> asac: ping ?
[10:22] <Keybuk> thom: happy birthday!
[10:22] <asac> Tonio_: ping
[10:22] <asac> pong :)
[10:23] <Tonio_> asac: hey ;)
[10:23] <Tonio_> asac: just wanted to tell you I'm adding back the changes for n-m and the applet for the nm-vpn-properties
[10:23] <asac> he?
[10:24] <Tonio_> asac: there is a bunch of gnome dependancies on network-manager actually, that I'd got ridd of for kubuntu
[10:24] <Tonio_> asac: mbiebl is doing the same for the debian packages
[10:24] <asac> ah ... you want to develop against the coredev bzr branch?
[10:24] <Tonio_> asac: that's due to bad source splitting, the bug has already been reported
[10:24] <Tonio_> asac: yeah, I'm testing the packages now and I'll commit on bzr, but I wanted to let you know about the changes
[10:25] <thom> Keybuk: dank je wel!
[10:25] <Tonio_> asac: so the point is just to patch the applet for the nm-vpn-properties path and fix network-manager to install the binary in /usr/lib and tell to dh_shlibsdeps to ignore it
[10:25] <asac> Tonio_: remember there have been updates to bzr branch yesterday ...
[10:25] <Tonio_> asac: are you okay on rationale ?
[10:25] <Tonio_> asac: just doing the branch update :)
[10:28] <Tonio_> asac: I will not commit the changes, just commit on bzr so that you can revies them before uploading the packages, are you okay with this ?
[10:28] <Tonio_> s/revies/review/
[10:28] <asac> Tonio_: maybe push up bzr and let me know
[10:28] <Tonio_> asac: that's the plan, yes
[10:28] <asac> Tonio_: the perfect way would be to push to some private branch ... get review, then merge over to mainrelease core-dev branch
[10:28] <Tonio_> asac: is there a branch for the applet ?
[10:28] <asac> Tonio_: yes
[10:28] <Tonio_> hum okay
[10:29] <cjwatson> siretart: I think you answered your own question about live-initramfs; since it's branched from casper, it needs to be merged, not synced
[10:29] <asac> Tonio_: might be too much to use this kind ... however in the long run thats the benefit we get from bzr ... e.g. get reviews before publishing officially
[10:29] <cjwatson> siretart: I have no idea why they changed the name, and when I asked at Debconf I didn't get a good explanation from anyone
[10:29] <Tonio_> asac: well the changes were already tested with the initiall upload as working but yeah I can push them to another branch if you want
[10:29] <cjwatson> siretart: I feel we should keep our name the same and merge back useful changes from Debian
[10:29] <Tonio_> asac: yup
[10:33] <mathiaz> seb128: I've uploaded the new evince packages: http://people.ubuntu.com/~mathiaz/packages/
[10:37] <asac> Tonio_: which initial upload are you talking about?
[10:38] <Tonio_> asac: was in the 0ubuntu2 upload in fact, not the first ;)
[10:39] <Tonio_> asac: when you reworked my package, you miss that change, which caused the breaking of nm-vpn-applet as the applet was still patched, then siretart removed that patch
[10:40] <Tonio_> asac: I'm just adding the changes back since that causes lots of problem to release a kubuntu cd, too many gnome deps
[10:41] <asac> Tonio_: ok just show the changes so I understand :)
[10:41] <asac> Tonio_: should be straight forward i guess
[10:41] <Tonio_> asac: sure, I just commited the changes for the backend, now doing the applet
[10:44] <asac> cool
[10:49] <asac> Tonio_: ok i try to look here every 30 minutes ... while being mostly offline in between, testing other network-manager stuff :/
[10:55] <Tonio_> asac: changes are on the applet branch too, which I synced with the current published version. the bzr content was outdated
[10:57] <asac> Tonio_: ok
[10:58] <asac> Tonio_: so where did you push nm to review?
[10:58] <asac> Tonio_: hmmm thought you push to private branch :) to take a glance ... lets hope ;)
[10:59] <bryce_> dholbach, I have a few more packages ready for upload if you have time for more packaging reviews?
[10:59] <dholbach> bryce_: sure
[10:59] <bryce_> dholbach, http://people.ubuntu.com/~bryce/Uploads/
[10:59] <bryce_> three packages:  xrandr, xserver-xorg-input-evdev, and xauth
[10:59] <Tonio_> asac: no I just pushed in bzr the unpublished stuff
[11:00] <Tonio_> asac: so that you can review, let me know and eventually build the packages
[11:00] <Tonio_> asac: or ask me to do so :)
[11:00] <asac> Tonio_: he?
[11:00] <bryce_> dholbach, all are fairly small changes
[11:00] <dholbach> bryce_: alright - will take a look
[11:00] <asac> Tonio_: i see the changes about vpn-propertiers on release branch now
[11:01] <bryce_> dholbach, cool thanks!
[11:01] <asac> Tonio_: sowhat happens on kde ifyou run vpn-properties ?
[11:01] <Tonio_> asac: the applet patch was still there btw, so I just synced with the current package and updated the changelog
[11:02] <Tonio_> asac: doesn't work of course, that's why I made it a hidden binary
[11:02] <asac> Tonio_: the applet branch is ok ... i thought about pushing network-manager to private branch, discuss and if changes are good, just merge over
[11:02] <Tonio_> asac: it is not on purpose to use manually btw
[11:02] <asac> Tonio_: so wherefrom is nm-vpn-properties invoked?
[11:02] <Tonio_> asac: knetworkmanager is doing differently, it doesn't need the vpn-properties
[11:03] <Tonio_> asac: it is invoked by the applet, that's why I patched the applet to use the good path for it
[11:03] <Tonio_> asac: the point in making it a hidden binary is just to avoid bug reports since it won't work on kde
[11:04] <Tonio_> asac: I hope that's clear ;-)
[11:04] <Nafallo> fabbione: I have a friend who tries to setup grub on raid -> lvm -> ext3, is that possible?
[11:04] <asac> Tonio_: ah ok ... sounds dirty though.
[11:04] <asac> Tonio_: but i guess we can take it for now ;)
[11:05] <siretart> cjwatson: err, now I'm a bit perplexed. I have been asked by panthera (one of the initramfs-tools ppl) to have live-initramfs updated, because he commited some fixes there.
[11:05] <asac> Tonio_: have you verified that network-manager-applet will always bring in all needed dependencies?
[11:05] <siretart> cjwatson: last he told me he tried to bring his changes to ubuntu, bug nobody seemed really interested in that. so he decided to fork and leave the ubiquity hooks aside, since he couldn't test them anyway
[11:06] <fabbione> Nafallo: no idea. when  i do raid lvm and stuff, i usually keep a small /boot on a raid1 and the rest on Lvm and it works fine with lilo. I heard that grub works too in that setup but i never did it myself
[11:06] <siretart> cjwatson: now you say me that we don't want his bugfixes (to a package we already have in universe), because we rather want them merged back into our casper package
[11:06] <Nafallo> fabbione: oki, thanks
[11:06] <siretart> Tonio_: I removed a patch?! err huh?
[11:06] <fabbione> Nafallo: no provlem
[11:06] <fabbione> problem even
[11:07] <cjwatson> siretart: err, I never saw him trying to bring his changes to Ubuntu so I cannot comment on that
[11:07] <asac> Tonio_: can you please wait a bit with the next upload ... i am trying to fix another thing first
[11:07] <Tonio_> siretart: you did, but not on bzr :)
[11:07] <Tonio_> asac: sure
[11:07] <cjwatson> siretart: I wasn't aware that live-initramfs was already in universe; I think that's a mistake to be honest
[11:07] <siretart> Tonio_: not on purpose
[11:08] <cjwatson> siretart: I suppose I can unblacklist it and sync it
[11:08] <siretart> cjwatson: well, there are already other packages like live-helper and fai actively using live-initramfs
[11:08] <siretart> cjwatson: removing live-initramfs would break them
[11:08] <cjwatson> but I am really disappointed that it's forked because I don't think there's a clear reason to do so
[11:08] <Tonio_> siretart: I'm just ensuring that the path will work this time by fixing the nm-vpn-properties installation path, that was the issue you fixed
[11:09] <siretart> cjwatson: as said, I think there is a lack of communication here. I would be sad if we removed live-initramfs, because it would break reverse dependencies
[11:09] <siretart> and I do try to work on fai
[11:09] <cjwatson> siretart: oh, we can't sync it
[11:09] <cjwatson> # ... due other reasons:
[11:09] <cjwatson> # E: casper is in main but its source (live-initramfs) is not
[11:09] <cjwatson> live-initramfs
[11:09] <cjwatson> siretart: syncing that would break our live CD
[11:09] <cjwatson> because they made it generate a casper.deb
[11:09] <siretart> aaah
[11:10] <siretart> I'll talk to daniel
[11:10] <siretart> can I send him to you about merging the changes back to casper?
[11:10] <cjwatson> so either merge to casper, or branch live-initramfs for Ubuntu and make it not generate casper.deb
[11:10] <cjwatson> siretart: I'm a bit concerned about me being his point of contact, because I suspect I will not have a lot of time
[11:10] <cjwatson> siretart: but I guess I can try
[11:10] <dholbach> bryce_: uploaded :)
[11:11] <siretart> cjwatson: who would be a better point of contact?
[11:11] <bryce_> dholbach, excellent, thanks
[11:11] <cjwatson> unfortunately nobody else who would be good has any more time ;-)
[11:11] <cjwatson> so I guess it'll have to be me for the moment; Tollef is very busy with mobile
[11:12] <siretart> well, that seemed to be the problem of daniel last time he tried to merge his changes
[11:12] <siretart> lack of time on the ubuntu side
[11:12] <cjwatson> I don't understand why that precluded calling it casper though ...
[11:12] <cjwatson> it's taking basically the same approach after all, AIUI
[11:13] <cjwatson> I can understand a renaming if it's a big rewrite
[11:13] <cjwatson> I did that myself for ubiquity after all
[11:13] <siretart> the casper binary package seems to be a transitional package
[11:13] <siretart> for 'upgrading' purposes from etch
[11:13] <cjwatson> yeah, syncing it will still screw us though
[11:13] <siretart> yes, its empty
[11:13] <cjwatson> particularly since he removed ubiquity-casper
[11:13] <siretart> I think I can drop that and reupload to ubuntu
[11:14] <cjwatson> that would work for now
[11:14] <siretart> ok. doing that for now
[11:44] <Riddell> enrico: your upload of adept to debian seems to miss adept-batch from debian/control, is that deliberate?
[11:45] <enrico> Riddell: definitely not deliberate: I have no idea what's adept-bach
[11:45] <enrico> Riddell: I just did apt-get source adept, fixed things, built, uploaded
[11:45] <enrico> Riddell: I don't think I changed debian/control at all
[11:47] <Riddell> enrico: curious, maybe petr never put it in debian for some reason
[12:09] <ogra> mjg59, do you plan to drop by at the distro sprint this week ? i saw there is an agenda item for you, me and amitk about power management maintnance
[12:13] <Mithrandir> ogra: thursday and friday
[12:17] <ogra> cool :)
[12:17] <ogra> Mithrandir, thanks
[12:18] <mjg59> ogra: Yes, I should be there tomorrow
[12:23] <iwj> doko: AYT ?  I'd like a word about your lpia changes in dpkg 1.14.4....ubuntu3.
[12:32] <tepsipakki> what to blame when quota doesn't work right (feisty)?
[12:33] <axxo> software
[12:34] <tepsipakki> ah ah
[12:34] <tepsipakki> seriously, it's trying the wrong paths
[12:35] <tepsipakki> dapper is fine
[12:35] <seb128> tepsipakki: try filing a bug?
[12:35] <tepsipakki> seb128: yes, but where?
[12:35] <tepsipakki> which package
[12:35] <tepsipakki> it's not quota the package
[12:35] <seb128> no idea
[12:35] <tepsipakki> kernel?
[12:35] <tkamppeter> Is there any chance that OpenOffice,org will get installable again in Gutsy soon?
[12:35] <tepsipakki> I'll try searching there..
[12:36] <tkamppeter> For a week or so I get things like
[12:36] <tkamppeter> openoffice.org-core: Depends: libcurl4-gnutls (>= 7.16.2-1) but it is not going to be installed
[12:36] <cjwatson> calc: ^--
[12:48] <tkamppeter> Hi, pitti
[12:48] <pitti> hi tkamppeter
[12:49] <siretart> tkamppeter: known as bug #124377
[12:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124377 in openoffice.org "[gutsy]  Trouble with package dependency (libcurl4-gnutls)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124377
[12:51] <calc> cjwatson: yes, the new 5ubuntu1 build failed, looking into why
[12:51] <tkamppeter> pitti, seems that your patch for the separation of the authentication (10_external_pam_helper.dpatch) does not close the pipes for tranfering the credentials. See my last comments on bug 112803 and on http://www.cups.org/str.php?L2438.
[12:51] <ubotu> CUPS bug 2438 in Core CUPS Software "CUPS still leaking file descriptors" [Priority low,Pending] 
[12:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112803 in cupsys "MASTER [Feisty]  cupsd leaking file descriptors (was: Multiple jobs are not printed)" [High,Triaged]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112803
[12:51] <calc> cjwatson: failed due to some missing german translations (apparently)
[12:52] <pitti> tkamppeter: ah, cool
[12:53] <calc> anyone here familiar with how pkgstriptranslations works?
[12:53] <tkamppeter> siretart, thanks.
[12:53] <calc> i'm trying to duplicate the failure on my laptop so i can verify it isn't one of the "usual" transient ooo buildd failures :\
[12:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: thanks for tracking this down
[12:53] <pitti> tkamppeter: I agree about SRU worthyness
[12:53] <Nafallo> calc: pitti wrote it AFAIK :-)
[12:54] <calc> pitti: ping
[12:54] <pitti> calc: hi
[12:54] <Nafallo> morning btw
[12:54] <calc> pitti: if i install pkgstriptranslations in a chroot and build ooo will it be used as on a buildd?
[12:54] <pitti> calc: let me come over
[12:54] <calc> pitti: ok i'm near elmo
[12:54] <Nafallo> lol. right. you're on a sprint :-)
[12:54] <calc> Nafallo: yep :)
[12:55] <sivang> distro sprint? :)
[12:55] <calc> sivang: yea
[12:55] <sivang> oh cool
[12:55] <Nafallo> I was a bit amazed pitti would travel for that question before I remembered you were ;-)
[12:56] <sivang> heh
[01:02] <calc> Nafallo: hehe
[01:03] <calc> Nafallo: he's superman, fast as a bullet
[01:03] <calc> :)
[01:03] <Nafallo> calc: I know. he's amazing :-)
[01:03] <Nafallo> calc: take a photo for me ;-)
[01:03] <sivang> heh
[01:03] <Nafallo> pitti: :-)
[01:03] <pitti> well, admittedly it was just some 20 meters :)
[01:04] <calc> hehe
[01:04] <Nafallo> pitti: I'm still sure your feet barely touched the floor ;-)
[01:04] <Nafallo> carpet or something :_P
[01:04] <Nafallo> :-P
[01:04] <pitti> Nafallo: indeed we are on the 27th floor here, gravity is significantly weaker
[01:05] <Nafallo> I hope you will have sprints in London after I've moved there ;-)
[01:06] <calc> Nafallo: london is amazing :)
[01:06] <Nafallo> calc: sure hope so. will be living there in the middle of august if everything goes as planned :-)
[01:07] <tkamppeter> siretart, this bug report really helped, I am reinstalling OOo now.
[01:07] <calc> Nafallo: move into the nice glass apt building next to the london eye
[01:07] <Nafallo> calc: will need to be in Docklands, close to most of the DCs the company have customers on :-)
[01:08] <Nafallo> will be able to WALK to 11 of them hopefully ;-)
[01:08] <calc> i think i may have to get an apt here when i retire, heh
[01:08] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:09] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:14] <sivang> the Docklands area is wonderful, and you can always take a river service to Greenwich
[01:14] <sivang> Nafallo: lucky you for moving there :)
[01:15] <Nafallo> sivang: :-)
[01:20] <calc> in make a line beginning with a : is a comment right?
[01:21] <cjwatson> no ...
[01:21] <gnomefreak> # is comment i thought in make
[01:21] <calc> hmm i am seeing it used as what looks like a comment delimiter /me looks in make manual
[01:21] <cjwatson> a command line in a rule that begins with a : is (almost) effectively a comment, but only because : is the same as /bin/true and that discards all its arguments
[01:21] <cjwatson> it's sometimes used that way to get around weird parsing
[01:22] <calc> hmm so maybe its used here to make it display the comment in the makefile during build more effectively (not really sure)
[01:24] <calc> cjwatson: i think i have a fix for the ooo build failure, about to kick it off locally to make sure it works right
[01:25] <ajmitch> great, confirmed that coreutils really does FTBFS with the version we're using in gutsy
[01:51] <pitti> thom: happy birthday!!!
[01:55] <tepsipakki> the quota-problem I had is in the kernel and also in gutsy (works with 2.6.17 from edgy) -> files a bug
[01:58] <cjwatson> calc: neat, thanks
[02:06] <thom> pitti: danke schon!
[02:07] <seb128> thom: happy birthday ;)
[02:07] <thom> merci bien!
[02:09] <ogra> oh, happy b-day thom :)
[02:10] <thom> :)
[02:16] <pitti> evand: gpontecek
[02:34] <Tonio_> pitti: may I ping you concerning MainInclusionReportKioUmountWrapper ?
[02:34] <Tonio_> pitti: we intend to use this for gutsy so it'd be nice to get it in main quite soon for testing :)
[02:35] <pitti> Tonio_: ah, I see; well, I think next week I'll have some time for it
[02:35] <LucidFox> what exactly is gtkpod-aac?
[02:36] <LucidFox> is it gtkpod compiled with AAC support?
[02:37] <LucidFox> and in this case, why is orig.tar.gz different?
[02:40] <Tonio_> pitti: great thanks :)
[02:50] <LaughingMan> hi
[02:50] <xxxxx1> can someone take a look at bug #123582 ? it have a pending verification-motu-needed for Feisty task.
[02:50] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123582 in gnochm "[missing dependency]  python-gtkhtml2" [Undecided,Fix committed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123582
[02:52] <LucidFox> I need help with testing if kipi-plugins builds on gutsy with libgpod 5.2 from Debian (bug #124900)
[02:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124900 in libgpod "Please sync gtkpod-0.99.10, libgpod-0.5.2 from debian unstable" [Wishlist,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124900
[02:58] <agoliveira> I'm getting a "http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz was corrupt" when using debootstrap. Can anyone explain/fix that?
[03:17] <Hobbsee> greetings all
[03:19] <bryce__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/111257
[03:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 111257 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "totem crashes with 'BadAlloc (insufficient resources for operation)' when using compiz and xserver-xorg-video-intel driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[03:19] <seb128> hi Hobbsee
[03:22] <Hobbsee> hey seb128!
[03:30] <sivang> what's henrik's nick?
[03:31] <pygi> sivang, a lot of henrik's around :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> sivang: heno
[03:33] <sivang> thanks Hobbsee :)
[03:33] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:33] <sivang> pygi: right, but I needed a special one :-)
[03:34] <pygi> Hobbsee, you shouldn't have told him that! :p
[03:34] <Hobbsee> heh, why?
[03:35] <elkbuntu> sivang, you're going to tell all the other henrik's that they're not special now?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> ouch!
[03:35] <elkbuntu> um, Hobbsee, you do have the stick with you, right?
[03:36] <Hobbsee> nightrose has it
[03:36] <sivang> hehe
[03:36] <elkbuntu> hey, you never lend it to me!
[03:37] <ogra> if yu dry worms they become sticks, no ?
[03:37] <sivang> elkbuntu: save some worms for me as well
[03:37] <Hobbsee> heh
[03:38] <elkbuntu> sivang, you can have them. im too busy laughing at hobbsee carrying around a dry one
[04:11] <asac> pitti: Tonio_ ... can you give this testbranch a spin and see if you get any regression when using network-manager?
[04:11] <asac> pitti: Tonio_ http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~asac/network-manager/ubuntu.0.6.x-lp90267.test
[04:11] <Hobbsee> hi asac
[04:11] <asac> pitti: Tonio_ the patch needs some cleanup, but i would like to have a few people running it before it do that :)
[04:12] <asac> Hobbsee: hi!
[04:12] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:16] <Tonio_> asac: I'm getting a 404
[04:16] <seb128> Tonio_: you want to bzr get it
[04:17] <ion_> Worksforme
[04:18] <Tonio_> seb128: hum true..... I'm tired ;)
[04:25] <Tonio_> asac testing
[04:37] <Tonio_> asac: looks like working correctly here
[04:38] <Tonio_> asac: btw I use kde, I can't test if that fixes the problem with the gnome applet
[04:38] <asac> Tonio_: gnome applet is not what matters ... what kind of things are you testing?
[04:39] <asac> Tonio_: can you do a reboot and stuff like that? pluggin in and out multiple network interfaces?
[04:39] <Tonio_> asac: sure, but it'll take a moment, I can't reboot right now
[04:39] <Tonio_> asac: I'll give you feedback toonight
[04:39] <asac> Tonio_: no problem i try to get feedback from a few more as well
[04:40] <asac> Tonio_: as this patch is not a one liner
[04:40] <asac> :)
[04:41] <Lure> asac: does it fix "no network after reboot" issue?
[04:43] <asac> Lure: do you have a bug?
[04:44] <Lure> asac: not really - just noticed that sometimes after reboot I need to restart n-m in order to get wired connection
[04:44] <asac> Lure: if you can reproduce that problem, maybe you can try that branch? there are other not-yet released patches in there that might help for some cases
[04:44] <Lure> asac: otherwise it thinks it is offline
[04:44] <Lure> asac: ok, will try it out
[04:44] <asac> Lure: do you have something in your /etc/network/interfaces ?
[04:45] <Lure> asac: everything is on auto
[04:45] <asac> you can paste somewhere?
[04:45] <pitti> asac: downloading
[04:46] <Lure> asac: http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/323
[04:46] <Lure> asac: eth0 is wired and when I am plugged in it is listed as shaded (disabled?) after reboot
[04:47] <Lure> asac: n-m restart does reenable interface and gets IP from dhcp
[04:47] <asac> Lure: ok ... maybe its related to the race condition fix i added
[04:47] <asac> Lure: especially if you cannot reproduce always it might indeed be some race condition
[04:48] <asac> Lure: actually you should not need any entry for eth0 et al in interfaces for it to work
[04:48] <Lure> asac: it is not always but very often (75%)
[04:48] <asac> Lure: yeah ... so you should be able to see if its gone by doing a few reboots :)
[04:48] <Lure> asac: I know, I am just suprised where I got eth2, ath0 and wlan0
[04:49] <macbeth> Hi everyone!
[04:50] <macbeth> Todays openoffice update, from 2.2.0-1ubuntu3 to 2.2.0-1ubuntu4 broke it...
[04:50] <Tonio_> Lure: you should ping mbiebl when he is arround about that issue, he was looking forward to fix it last time we discussed
[04:50] <macbeth> Anyone has the same problem?
[04:51] <asac> Lure: no idea where those entries might have come from
[04:52] <Lure> Tonio_: that is different issue: knetworkmanager does not re-connect to wpa network and the fix is already in knetworkmanager sources I think
[04:52] <Lure> Tonio_: so it should be in 0.2 release
[04:54] <Tonio_> Lure: hum interesting...... shouldn't we try the fix ?
[04:55] <Tonio_> Lure: I can rebuild from svn
[04:55] <Hobbsee> please do
[04:58] <Lure> Tonio_: we could - fix is in svn , I just checked: http://websvn.kde.org/branches/extragear/kde3/network/knetworkmanager/src/knetworkmanager-encryption.cpp?view=log
[04:59] <Tonio_> Lure: let's go ;)
[05:03] <cjwatson> pitti: do you care if I dump livecd-rootfs into main, seeing as we're already running it on our buildds? :-)
[05:04] <pitti> cjwatson: can you see me?
[05:04] <cjwatson> pitti: yes
[05:06] <asac> Lure: let me know when you have tested :)
[05:08] <cjwatson> iwj: http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/livefs-build-logs/gutsy/ubuntu/
[05:27] <Lure> asac: still same issue with your test package
[05:27] <Lure> asac: but at least there are no gnome depends anymore (Tonio_'s fix works)
[05:27] <Lure> asac: will report proper bug now
[05:34] <login_> Hi guys , i have a question for the developers, I am making an ubuntu deriative but i came into troubles when i compiled my own kernel . My pc needs to do acpi=off to boot but ounce i boot , no usb slots are detected . This happens on every other OS except ubuntu , I wanted to ask what patches are you added t othe kernel or what did you do to it to make it not have to do acpi=off or make it detect my usb 2.0
[05:34] <login_> slots?
[05:39] <login_> anyone have an anwser to my  problems?
[05:40] <ScottK> login_: There's a developer sprint this week, so no one may be paying attention.  You should probably be in #ubuntu-kernel, but the same people are probably too busy to answer you there too.
[05:41] <Tonio_> Lure: knm fix works, uploaded
[05:41] <Lure> Tonio_: cool
[05:42] <login_> thanks , i wil lask there too
[06:31] <login_> Hi guys , i have a question for the developers, I am making an ubuntu deriative but i came into troubles when i compiled my own kernel . My pc needs to do acpi=off to boot but ounce i boot , no usb slots are detected . This happens on every other OS except ubuntu , I wanted to ask what patches are you added t othe kernel or what did you do to it to make it not have to do acpi=off or make it detect my usb 2.0
[06:31] <login_> slots
[06:33] <persia> login_: Didn't you ask the same question an hour ago?  Also, this week is probably not good for these things.  You may get a better response from sending an email.
[07:05] <xxxxx1> algum ubuntu-dev brasileiro aqui? se tiver favor me chamar em private. obrigado.
[09:22] <RickH> Where can I find GTK+ documentation?  Like to learn about "gtk_window_new()" and GtkWidget*, etc.?
[09:23] <oni> hi is this the right channel to ask why vim is not installed by default?
[09:24] <ScottK> oni: Because they need every byte they can squeeze out to fit on the CD so they just install vim-tiny.
[09:25] <superm1> vim-tiny is a dependency of ubuntu-minimal, so even a minimum console install will install it
[09:25] <minghua> RickH: libgtk2.0-doc package.
[09:25] <RickH> minghua:  Thanks.
[09:25] <RickH> Is there a FAQ somewhere about beginning development with GTK+
[09:25] <RickH> ?
[09:26] <oni> ok thanks
[09:28] <ScottK> RickH: It's really not an Ubuntu specific development question.  I suggest Google.
[09:29] <RickH> ScottK:  I'm surprised at that.  I would think developing under Ubuntu would encompass all of the tools available for developing in Ubuntu.
[09:29] <ScottK> RickH: See the topic.
[09:30] <RickH> ScottK:  I think that's misleading (having a channel named like this, and only doing physical development of Ubuntu).  I think that confusion is backed up by the fact that the topic has to clarify the same. :(
[09:31] <RickH> ScottK:  where should I go for doing developing under Ubuntu, but not of Ubuntu?
[09:33] <cprov> Can I have some help with https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ghostscript/+bug/125316 ?
[09:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125316 in ghostscript "Ghostscript is eating all my memory when opening the attached file " [Undecided,New] 
[09:34] <cprov> 'eating' is disturbing ... edited ...
[12:04] <lamont>  /usr/bin/ld: e-map/libemap.a(libemap_a-e-map.o): relocation R_PARISC_DPREL21L can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC
[12:04] <lamont> BAD gnome-panel