[10:25] <cjwatson> superm1: we sync those files from Rosetta periodically
[10:25] <cjwatson> they're in the debian-installer source package as far as Rosetta is concerned (allows the whole installer to be translated in one place, theoretically)
[10:26] <xivulon> Hi all
[10:26] <xivulon> I have a few questions re lupin merge
[10:27] <xivulon> 1. What are the relevant branches to target? For initramfs-tools I found no dedicated branch in launchpad, shall I target the debian one?
[10:28] <xivulon> For the initrd of the alternate/live CD what are the appropriate branches (casper for the live?).
[10:29] <xivulon> 2. Shall I aim to apply the changes directly in the branches or create a separate package that adds loopmounted functionality to the initrd?
[10:30] <xivulon> Out of curiosity what is the role of debian-live in Ubuntu?
[10:32] <cjwatson> if there is no branch, then target the source package rather than working in bzr
[10:32] <cjwatson> see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/InstallerDevelopment for alternate installer changes
[10:32] <cjwatson> casper has most of the interesting bits of the live initrd
[10:32] <cjwatson> I would recommend having the changes integrated directly where possible rather than messing with a separate package
[10:33] <cjwatson> note that I'm currently attempting to write a partman-auto-loop component that will supersede your partitioning changes; I need to talk with Evan about that here in London though
[10:33] <cjwatson> debian-live> we would like to work with them but aren't at present
[10:33] <xivulon> I am in London by the way
[10:33] <xivulon> if you want we can have a beer one day
[10:34] <xivulon> it's on me
[10:34] <cjwatson> oh, whereabouts?
[10:34] <xivulon> Victoria
[10:34] <cjwatson> the Canonical office is in Millbank Tower, near Pimlico, so very close
[10:34] <xivulon> I leave in Pimlico in fact
[10:34] <cjwatson> cool, maybe tomorrow evening?
[10:35] <xivulon> What time?
[10:35] <cjwatson> uh, dunno, ask me tomorrow ;-)
[10:35] <xivulon> will do
[10:35] <cjwatson> we tend to finish up around 6:30
[10:35] <xivulon> I normally finish a bit later than that, but I'll try to go out at 6:30 tomorrow.
[10:35] <cjwatson> partman-auto-loop> I was also considering a different approach, but I think it's too much work to get done for gutsy
[10:36] <xivulon> partman changes are most welcome
[10:36] <xivulon> that was the most shameful part of lupin
[10:36] <cjwatson> basically extending the partman-auto recipe format to be able to handle multiple disks and teaching it about loop-mounting
[10:36] <cjwatson> the multi-disk work does need to get done eventually
[10:36] <cjwatson> but it's really hard
[10:37] <cjwatson> so I think for now it would be better to follow the lead of other partman-auto-* components and just hack it into place ...
[10:37] <cjwatson> I'm making progress slowly, hope to have something sketchy to show by the end of the week maybe
[10:40] <xivulon> I was on the slow track myself, new addition to the family...
[10:43] <xivulon> Do the live and alternate ISO share the same initrd?
[10:44] <xivulon> I wouldn't think so
[10:44] <xivulon> Last q for today for all the windows expert among you:
[10:45] <xivulon> do you know about a reliable method to map a disk device in windows to a linux device (doing that from windows)?
[10:45] <xivulon> At the moment we use heuristic (we look for a particular filename in all partitions), but it would obviously be better to nail down the hosting device directly.
[10:48] <cjwatson> no, they don't - the alternate ISO's initrd doesn't even use initramfs-tools
[10:49] <xivulon> I though so ;P
[10:50] <xivulon> Shall I target the alternate ISO or the Live one, or in other words, is it realistic to have the preseeding in ubiquity by gutsy?
[10:50] <cjwatson> the live initrd *used* to be pretty similar to the alternate initrd in some ways, but that went away with the simplified-live-cd spec in casper 1.19 (dapper)
[10:50] <cjwatson> Evan's reporting good progress with preseeding in ubiquity
[10:50] <cjwatson> I'd stay flexible just for the sake of convenience; partman-auto-loop will work in alternate before it works in live, assuming it works at all :-)
[10:52] <xivulon> Basically I am not going to port any code in lupin.postinst (the part that skips partman and does its mkfs and fstab creation)
[10:53] <cjwatson> oh, drat, tomorrow evening isn't going to work
[10:53] <cjwatson> we're planning to go to see Spamalot then
[10:53] <cjwatson> maybe this evening will work out; I'll let you know later on
[10:53] <xivulon> today is fine for me
[10:53] <xivulon> the later, the better
[11:34] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r2147 ubiquity/ (10 files in 8 dirs):
[11:34] <CIA-19> ubiquity: * Automatic update of included source packages: base-installer
[11:34] <CIA-19> ubiquity:  1.80ubuntu2, hw-detect 1.53ubuntu1, silo-installer 1.10ubuntu4.
[12:07] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r2148 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.5.5
[12:10] <evand> \o/
[12:10] <evand> cjwatson: http://people.ubuntu.com/~evand/upload/
[12:13] <evand> superm1: fyi, bug 119562 is fixed, so parts of mythbuntu-drivers might not be relevant anymore.
[12:14] <evand> also, I did merge your changes, I just didn't have CIA set up on this laptop at the time.
[12:19] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r2149 ubiquity/ (8 files in 6 dirs): Releasing the real [1.5.5] . Fixes intltool being missing on my system.
[12:25] <cjwatson> uploaded
[12:29] <evand> thanks
[12:31] <CIA-19> ubiquity: evand * r2150 ubiquity/ (configure configure.ac): bump to 1.5.6
[12:33] <CIA-19> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2151 ubiquity/autogen.sh: add check for intltool
[12:57] <CIA-19> ubiquity: cjwatson * r2152 ubiquity/scripts/mythbuntu/ (4 files): POSIX test syntax
[03:07] <cjwatson> xivulon: hmm, I think I will be going elsewhere this evening
[03:08] <cjwatson> xivulon: are you permanently based in London? if so, I'm down occasionally and we could meet up some other time
[03:14] <xivulon> cjwatson: yes, I live in London
[03:16] <xivulon> cjwatson I'll be away after the 18 for a couple of weeks, but drop me an email if you are around
[03:16] <xivulon>  the beer invitation is like novell coupons: no expiration date...
[03:17] <xivulon> xivulon at gmail.com
[03:18] <xivulon> evand, that extends to you as well
[03:36] <cjwatson> xivulon: heh
[03:36] <cjwatson> ok, sounds good, is just hectic this week :)
[03:36] <cjwatson> maybe you and Evan can meet up even if I can't make it
[03:39] <xivulon> It would be nice
[05:06] <evand> xivulon: Thanks!  I'm free any day except tomorrow this week.  After that it's back to the US.
[05:44] <superm1> evand, thanks, i did see that bg 119562 was fixed, but haven't determined how i'm going to approach redoing a few consequences of using restricted-manager to do things.  After I sort out the current LIRC related issues, i'll revisit it
[05:47] <xivulon> evand do you want to do today around 7pm?
[05:51] <evand> sure
[06:14] <xivulon> I can come by Millbank Tower, we can meet you downstairs ~7, I have a black jacket and a cycling helmet
[06:15] <evand> ok, sounds like a plan
[06:19] <xivulon> ok, see you in a bit
[06:20] <xivulon> if anyone else in london wants to join, I'll see you at 7
[07:24] <evand> xivulon: still around?
[07:26] <xivulon> yep
[07:27] <evand> xivulon: going to have to take a rain check on meeting up.  I'm going on a field trip with a few others in the hopes that I can find a travel adapter for the US
[07:28] <evand> are you available Friday?
[07:28] <xivulon> np
[07:28] <evand> Thursday is Monty Python and Saturday I depart.
[07:28] <xivulon> yep we can try next friday
[07:29] <xivulon> maybe cjwatson can join too