[02:01] <ogra> whoops
[02:02] <ogra> nearly missed that we have a meeting
[02:02] <man-di> @now
[02:02] <ubotu> Current time in Etc/UTC: July 11 2007, 12:02:29 - Current meeting: Edubuntu
[02:02] <man-di> @schedule
[02:02] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: Current meeting: Edubuntu | 12 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jul 00:00: MOTU Team | 14 Jul 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 16 Jul 22:00: Forum Council | 17 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting
[02:05] <RichEd> hi ... ogra do you have time for a technical wrap up ?
[02:06] <ogra> roughly ...
[02:06] <RichEd> go for it ...
[02:06] <ogra> i merged more ltsp changes, added the new X detection and configuration scripts ...
[02:07] <RichEd> b.t.w. who is here for the edubuntu meeting ... do we have many people ?
[02:07] <ogra> and this week i'm completely focused on classmate
[02:07] <ogra> thats about it for tech :)
[02:07] <ogra> oh, and since i see xivulon ... there is a wubi installer
[02:07] <RichEd> great ... how is the sprint going ?
[02:07] <RichEd> any news re gutsy we should be aware of ?
[02:08] <xivulon> thx
[02:08] <ogra> we have compiz by default now ...
[02:09] <ogra> so windows are dropping shadows etc if the HW supports it
[02:09] <RichEd> does it look cool ?
[02:09] <ogra> modem support was improved a lot ...
[02:10] <ogra> yeah, it looks and feels great as far as i can say, sadly my only HW that supports it is the classmate :)
[02:11] <ogra> the improved modem support should actually help a lot in edubuntu with users that have bad network coverage
[02:11] <RichEd> i heard some queries about dual monitor support ... and the need to fiddle in files ... as far as you know do we have more of that working from default install (this was from a dell guy)
[02:11] <ogra> even though it was pretty specific to winmodems builtin in laptops
[02:11] <ogra> yeah
[02:11] <ogra> there is a gui to configure a second monitor now
[02:12] <ogra> i'm planning a detection algorithm for ltsp to do something similar for gutsy+1
[02:12] <RichEd> :)
[02:12] <ogra> i started working on a printer detection mechanism for ltsp as well
[02:13] <ogra> it will only work with usb printers ... but if you plug in one of these at a client a dialog should pop up in your session offering to add it
[02:13] <ogra> (only if the printer isnt there yet indeed)
[02:14] <ogra> the new ldm gives us a lot of new opportunities to have session<->client inetraction now
[02:14] <RichEd> that will be nice ... what about network printer install ? does the server only need to find the printer once, and then do all workstations see it from the default desktop ?
[02:14] <ogra> right
[02:15] <RichEd> and also I had a query the other day about how to install the same printer for many workstations (not LTSP) is there an easy way of doing that ? or does it need a script.
[02:16] <ogra> you just need to make it visible to the network ... i think there is a button in the ui
[02:17] <ogra> cups (the printing environment) supports IPP by default, via IPP other systems can detect it
[02:17] <RichEd> but would each workstation need someone to do the add/install ... this query was from a network admin who wanted to add to all desktops without users needing to do anything.
[02:18] <ogra> yes, you would need to add it on every workstation
[02:18] <RichEd> in the MSFT world I remember being able to set a script to autoexecute for each login ... can that be done with Ubuntu server ?
[02:18] <ogra> indeed you could just configure it on one and copy the config files around ;)
[02:18] <ogra> that can be dne with any linux ;)
[02:18] <RichEd> okay ... thanks
[02:19] <ogra> independently if its ubuntu (or server or workstation)
[02:19] <RichEd> ? independently ... not sure what you mean ?
[02:19] <ogra> if you want some script that is executed in the desktop session, you add it to /etc/xdg/autostart/
[02:20] <ogra> s/independently/it does not matter/
[02:20] <RichEd> okay ... any more technical stuff for today ?
[02:20] <ogra> if you want a system wide script you can add it to /etc/init.d/rc.local
[02:20] <ogra> no, thats all ....
[02:20] <RichEd> ^ once on the server, and then does each workstation pick it up from the server ?
[02:21] <ogra> on a sidenote i'm checking the translation status for the classmate apps ...
[02:21] <ogra> which indeed is the same as our desktop edu apps
[02:21] <RichEd> makes sense to start there ...
[02:21] <ogra> the arabian and some of the chinese languages are awfully bad translated yet
[02:21] <ogra> most of the others are fine :)
[02:22] <RichEd> Where there is a more obscure language, we need to help the community tackle it I think ... I will add that to the community actions we'll suggest to intel.
[02:22] <ogra> we have "Urdu" on the list
[02:22] <RichEd> We can give guidelines and mentor, but the local users should take some responsibility.
[02:23] <ogra> the complete language if installed uses 200 byte on the disk ...
[02:23] <ogra> (usually you have some megabytes for one lang)
[02:23] <RichEd> I think that that is also a good first step into participating in open source ... low technical overhead to learn.
[02:23] <RichEd> Also the Classmate will be confined to on keyboard layout I guess ... must check that with Justin.
[02:23] <ogra> so in the hindi/urdu area we could urgently need more translatoors
[02:23] <RichEd> *one
[02:24] <RichEd> Doubt that they are doing other character layouts just yet.
[02:24] <ogra> well, if they want chinese translations they surely have chinese keyboards as well
[02:24] <RichEd> Matt Barker has a lot of traction in India, Universities, and GAPP etc. I will ask him about Hindi.
[02:24] <ogra> i can do that as well, he'S around ;)
[02:24] <RichEd> I'll check the keyboard options with Justin.
[02:25] <ogra> good
[02:25] <ogra> especially the asian stuff
[02:25] <ogra> since asian keyboards will require special setup for asian input methods
[02:26] <RichEd> Asian as in India ... not Oriental as in China do you mean ?
[02:26] <ogra> (that will grow the image a lot)
[02:26] <ogra> i mean china
[02:26] <ogra> and XIM or SCIM input methods
[02:26] <ogra> i would expect india to want to use english layout
[02:27] <RichEd> okay ... that will need to be specced carefully with Justin before we can say it is workable for the market. (China/Japan)
[02:27] <ogra> right
[02:27] <RichEd> Moving on then to Documentation
[02:27] <RichEd> Anything here for today ?
[02:27] <ogra> i'd also suggest that we make many images (one per language or in max up to three langs)
[02:27] <ogra> so we can keep the image smaller
[02:27] <ogra> but indeed that will cost more ;)
[02:28] <ogra> doesnt look like we have anything for docs
[02:28] <RichEd> that would make sense ... no need to carry around files that will not be used ... when there is limited storage
[02:28] <ogra> right
[02:28] <RichEd> Okay ... good news re artwork ...
[02:28] <ogra> but it means to maintain a lot of images
[02:29] <ogra> yeah, i saw the mail :-D
[02:29] <RichEd> Well in case anyone else is here and paying attention:
[02:29] <RichEd> > My name is Jill Carpenter and it was suggested to me to offer my skills
[02:29] <RichEd> > as an illustrator to Edubuntu.  It's something that I would very much
[02:29] <RichEd> > enjoy doing.  I have worked as an artist for over 25 years, and have
[02:29] <RichEd> > worked for the last 8 years as a contract artist for PearsonDL, and
[02:29] <RichEd> > Evans Newton Inc, illustrating for children's educational materials for
[02:29] <RichEd> > grades K-12.  I am most often given reading and Earth science passages
[02:29] <RichEd> > for grades 1 through 5 to illustrate, but also math, biology and science
[02:29] <RichEd> > for 7 through 12 grades.
[02:29] <RichEd> So I'll get a response to her today and ask her to join you and me for a chat on IRC.
[02:29] <ogra> i like that groklaw suggests us :)))
[02:30] <RichEd> 'scuse my ignorance, but what is groklaw ?
[02:31] <calc> RichEd: website devoted to the downfall of SCO ;)
[02:31] <ogra> RichEd, groklaw is the website that archives everything about the SCO lawsuit
[02:31] <ogra> they expose *all* documents they find
[02:32] <ogra> so that shot SCO in the foot several times during their anti linux campaign
[02:32] <calc> RichEd: its more than SCO but SCO lawsuit was its initial reason for existing
[02:32] <RichEd>  :)Groklaw: The neutrality of this article or section is disputed.
[02:32] <calc> back to the meeting... :)
[02:32] <ogra> yeah, it turned into a general anti patetn thing :)
[02:32] <RichEd> This kind of leads on to Community ... and the need to grow more members ... and a discussion we held last week.
[02:33] <ogra> yeah
[02:33] <RichEd> #1 we have a few of the earlier community members either retiring or taking a break.
[02:33] <RichEd> * cbx33
[02:33] <RichEd> * laserjock
[02:33] <RichEd> * jsgotangco
[02:33] <jsgotangco> hi!
[02:33] <jsgotangco> ohh its meeting
[02:34] <jsgotangco> need anything from me just ping me about, in another conf
[02:34] <RichEd> on the other hand we have a number of people volunteering or applying to join edubuntu-members & edubuntu- on launcpad
[02:34] <RichEd> *launchpad
[02:34] <RichEd> the trouble is that not many of the applicants have:
[02:34] <RichEd> - shown contribution
[02:34] <RichEd> - been at meetings
[02:35] <RichEd> So I think we must plan a special Community Introduction meeting ... and invite the people who are keen.
[02:36] <ogra> the LP teams are a mess
[02:36] <RichEd> People like LaserJock are still keen to mentor and help new people get going ... but a chat in a group will help to get enthusiasm going, and set some initial action points.
[02:36] <ogra> we urgently need to find time to go through them and clean up
[02:36] <RichEd> ogra: as discussed, I am tidying them up ... and mailing people to see who is still alive and kicking
[02:36] <RichEd> What I'd like to find out now is how well the current meeting structure works ...
[02:37] <RichEd> Does anyone think that the technical aspect of the meeting (first half) is stopping people joining who may be interested in lower level items ?
[02:37] <ogra> we could indeed change the order
[02:38] <juliux> RichEd, perhaps we can make one week technical and one week community
[02:38] <RichEd> juliux: but that kind of messes with the time zone altenation
[02:38] <RichEd> *alternation
[02:38] <juliux> RichEd, ik
[02:38] <juliux> ok
[02:38] <ogra> and i'D forget half the stuff in 14 days
[02:39] <RichEd> What I am really asking is should we break the meeting into 2 parts of an hour each, Technical and Non-Technical and advertise as 2 separate meetings ?
[02:39] <juliux> yes please
[02:39] <RichEd> but back to back time wise ...
[02:39] <ogra> (we have the distro team meeting every thursday, so i'm preparing my weekly report on wednesday)
[02:39] <ogra> hmm
[02:39] <ogra> i doubt tech needs 1h
[02:39] <juliux> but i think it is better to discuss that with people who are more active then I
[02:39] <ogra> i'm usually done within 20min ...
[02:40] <ogra> put ten on top for questions
[02:40] <RichEd> That means that the lower level volunteers will not feel intimidated by the early tech speak ... and that tech workers can leave within the hour during coding crunch time
[02:40] <ogra> i wuldnt like to split the communiy
[02:41] <RichEd> that is an issue, but I'd see it more as a focus change over a longer dual part meeting
[02:41] <RichEd> perhaps we should do it like then then:
[02:41] <ogra> well, we can test it out
[02:41] <RichEd> Section 1 : Technical - chaired by Oliver
[02:41] <RichEd> Section 2 : Community etc. - chaired by Richard
[02:42] <ogra> right
[02:42] <RichEd> and with an intro welcome etc when we change over ... so that people feel that they are "allowed" to join later ?
[02:42] <ogra> lets do it like that and see how it works out
[02:43] <RichEd> Okay ... what I'd like to do is set up one Community focused meeting, and invite the volunteers and LP lurkers to that ... to get people clear on what needs to be done to become a member
[02:43] <RichEd> But also some bite size tasks for people to tackle.
[02:43] <RichEd> And to try to peer up newbies with a mentor figure.
[02:43] <ogra> right
[02:44] <ogra> i'm assuming the number two meeting will also be the EC meeting then ?
[02:44] <ogra> (in case of EC meetings)
[02:44] <RichEd> yep ... makes sense ... EC is supposed to be the 1st meeting of a new month ?
[02:44] <RichEd> [Next week I an in the US and the week after ... do you think we should do this community welcome / boost as part of the EC meeting for August] 
[02:45] <ogra> yeah, sounds good
[02:45] <ogra> and yes first meeting in a month is EC
[02:45] <RichEd> = Wed 1 august ... which is enough time for people to get invites etc.
[02:45] <ogra> yeps
[02:45] <RichEd> perhaps I should also invite Jono Bacon to chat to people as a guest celeb
[02:45] <ogra> yeah, good idea
[02:46] <RichEd> that will be an evening meeting.
[02:46] <RichEd> ... okay that is all from me for today ...
[02:46] <RichEd> Anyone else with any items for today ?
[02:47] <ogra> doesnt look like
[02:47] <RichEd> Going once ...
[02:47] <RichEd> Going twice ...
[02:47] <RichEd> Okay ... all done for today ... thanks ogra and others
[02:47] <ogra> wow .. 50min only
[02:52] <jsgotangco> arghh
[02:52] <jsgotangco> came back and its done
[02:53] <sfllaw> jsgotangco: They were just discussing your retirement.  I think you should throw a party.
[02:53] <sfllaw> :)
[02:53] <jsgotangco> lol twitter/pownce away!
[02:57] <sfllaw> jsgotangco: You're not really allowed to throw parties on Twitter.  You should get some friends together (people who run Ubuntu) and get them to buy you beer.  :P
[02:57] <sfllaw> Then again, why can't we have an online Twitter party?
[05:03] <corentin> Hi all :)
[06:05] <stgraber> @schedule Zurich
[06:05] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Zurich: 12 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jul 02:00: MOTU Team | 14 Jul 19:00: Xubuntu Developers | 17 Jul 00:00: Forum Council | 17 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 17 Jul 21:00: Technical Board
[06:06] <peanutb> @schedule Los_Angelis
[06:07] <peanutb> @schedule Los_Angeles
[06:07] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Los_Angeles: 12 Jul 08:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 17:00: MOTU Team | 14 Jul 10:00: Xubuntu Developers | 16 Jul 15:00: Forum Council | 17 Jul 08:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 17 Jul 12:00: Technical Board
[07:26] <BFTD> @scedule los_angeles
[07:42] <corentin> Bye all :)
[09:28] <luisbg> the next community council meeting is still not scheduled?
[09:32] <simira> maybe because of the sprint this week and guadec next week?
[09:32] <simira> @schedule
[09:32] <ubotu> Schedule for Etc/UTC: 12 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 14 Jul 00:00: MOTU Team | 14 Jul 17:00: Xubuntu Developers | 16 Jul 22:00: Forum Council | 17 Jul 15:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 17 Jul 19:00: Technical Board
[09:35] <luisbg> simira, I see
[09:35] <luisbg> so it would be in two weeks probably right?
[09:37] <simira> honestly I've no idea