[12:27] <W8TAH> what is the start command for xfc?
[12:28] <W8TAH> to put in a vnc config file
[12:29] <maxamillion> W8TAH: startxfce4  ... lemme double check though
[12:29] <W8TAH> thanks
[12:30] <maxamillion> W8TAH: yeah, that's it
[12:31] <W8TAH> ok - -thanks a ton
[12:32] <maxamillion> no prob
[12:46] <W8TAH> anyone out there know of quick docs for vnc server on xubuntu - allowing you to see the xfce4 desktop? -- the ubuntu wiki ones dont iinclude xubuntu
[01:02] <rolfen> dyou guys know any way to control the volume from the command line? or to map the special volume key of the keyboard to the volume control in XFCE ?
[01:07] <kalikiana> rolfen, Did you even look into xfce's keyboard settings? It's there
[01:08] <kalikiana> Although it's not really working right by default with me. At least you can get the command from the default values.
[01:08] <rolfen> kalikiana: i did
[01:09] <rolfen> setting->keyboard settings
[01:09] <rolfen> sorry did'nt find anything about the volume!
[01:11] <kalikiana> rolfen, it's in defaut. and it's as simple as 'aumix -v+10' :)
[01:11] <kalikiana> Sadly somehow my special keys don't work. :/
[01:11] <rolfen> thanks a lot. It was not in my default, maybe because i downloaded the ubuntu CD then added the XFCE package... maybe that why I got different defaults. Thanks a lot!!
[01:12] <kalikiana> You're welcome :)
[01:13] <kalikiana> I'm sorry to have missjudged you. But usually people don't look even if it *is* already there by default.
[01:14] <rolfen> no problem hehe :) I understand you, I have been asking a lot of questions lately.
[01:14] <kalikiana> hey j1 :)
[01:15] <kalikiana> j1mc that is :P
[01:18] <j1mc> heya kalikiana
[01:18] <j1mc> :)
[03:17] <greg> Hi all. Does ayone know the bare minumum hardware required to run xubuntu?
[03:40] <kalikiana> The 1000 answer would've been 300 mhz and 64mb ram :P
[03:48] <Howdy125> Not sure I'd call that running .. ;-)
[04:04] <Catoptromancy> = )
[04:37] <Nichod> Hello.
[04:37] <Nichod> Is Xubuntu as up to date as ubuntu?
[04:37] <Nichod> IE. Hardware compatibility, etc.
[04:39] <j1mc> Nichod: yes.  they use the exact same "core."
[04:39] <j1mc> same repositories...
[04:40] <Nichod> theonly difference is the Xfce environment?
[04:40] <neozen> hoallo all
[04:41] <neozen> how would one make a window always appear on top with each successive execution
[04:41] <neozen> assuming usage of xfwm
[04:42] <neozen> (am hacking up a way to make the xfce panel battery monitor auto-shutdown my laptop when battery level reaches critical)
[04:43] <neozen> once I get it working, I'll be sharing the solution out to the world
[05:00] <xTaJMoX> Hi
[05:00] <xTaJMoX> What's the fastest way to install a vnc server in xubuntu?  Or some type of remote desktop thingy
[05:03] <Catoptromancy> How can I make a shell script force people to use sudo?
[05:15] <neozen> xTaJMoX: install x11vnc
[05:15] <neozen> xTaJMoX: it will share out your current X11 session
[05:15] <neozen> xTaJMoX: easiest way I've found yet
[05:16] <neozen> xTaJMoX: follow its directions to create a passwd file for it
[05:23] <neozen> Catoptromancy: check to see which user they're running as
[05:23] <Catoptromancy> i think ifigured it out
[05:23] <neozen> Catoptromancy: ie... check out the output of whoami
[05:23] <neozen> Catoptromancy: compare to root
[05:23] <Catoptromancy> nope heh
[05:24] <Catoptromancy> brb
[05:24] <neozen> Catoptromancy: that should do it
[05:25] <neozen> Catoptromancy: if output of whoami is equal to "root\n" then they're running as root... otherwise just output an error message and exit
[05:26] <neozen> so.... any solutions on my problem yet guys?
[05:27] <neozen> need to get a program to have its "always on top" flag set upon execution....
[05:27] <neozen> again.... with xfwm
[05:32] <Catoptromancy> but i see no reason why people need a password just to use mkdir and mv in a shell
[05:32] <Catoptromancy> in bash mkdir and mv can be used without a password
[05:33] <Catoptromancy> oh wait i think its working
[05:33] <Catoptromancy> heh
[05:33] <Catoptromancy> errr
[05:37] <Catoptromancy> well its getting there heh
[05:39] <xTaJMoX> Catoptromancy: you dont need a password if you're working in your home folder or in a folder which your user has permissions
[05:39] <xTaJMoX> the REASON is that your system is safe
[05:39] <Catoptromancy> I know
[05:39] <Catoptromancy> hmmm
[05:40] <xTaJMoX> ever wonder why so many users have malware and crashes?   it's because they run the system as administrator
[05:40] <Catoptromancy> i had scritp path wrong
[05:40] <Catoptromancy> heh
[05:40] <xTaJMoX> windows users*
[05:40] <xTaJMoX> oh i thought we were talking about the sudo thing =] 
[05:40] <Catoptromancy> I now need to remember command to delete folders from root
[05:40] <Catoptromancy> heh
[05:45] <Jester45> Catoptromancy, sudo rm -rf /folder/
[05:45] <Jester45> or
[05:45] <Jester45> -r is to remove the files inside also
[05:45] <Catoptromancy> ya
[05:45] <Catoptromancy>  heh i jsut got em
[05:46] <Catoptromancy> no wonder my shell wanted a password
[05:46] <Catoptromancy> heh
[05:47] <laserbeak43> holy crap!!
[05:47] <laserbeak43> i downloaded qt designer on accident
[05:47] <laserbeak43> but she looks mighty pretty
[06:04] <jrsims> I'm dual booting XP and ubuntu on my laptop. When I run Linux, it feels like it runs a little hot. Can I fix this? Is there a package I should install that makes ubuntu use better power management?
[06:04] <neozen> jrsims: read up on apowernow
[06:05] <neozen> jrsims: that's cpu clock speed throttling
[06:05] <neozen> jrsims: should be configured properly the first time you install... but it doesn't work perfectly in all cases
[06:05] <neozen> jrsims: what kind of chip do you have?
[06:06] <neozen> jrsims: get to a terminal and type cat /proc/cpuinfo
[06:06] <neozen> jrsims: that should tell you
[06:07] <jrsims> core 2 duo
[06:07] <jrsims> I'm on a thinkpad
[06:08] <jrsims> is apowernow a package in the repos? I cant find it
[06:10] <darwin81> How can I type in a location with Thunar?
[06:11] <xTaJMoX> jrsims - you should test the temperature at 2 hours idle.    use the command acpi -t    in linux to see the temp ... find a 3rd party program to do it in windoze
[06:11] <neozen> jrsims: should be installed already in the kernel
[06:11] <xTaJMoX> jrsims: my cpu runs at least 7C cooler in linux
[06:11] <neozen> xTaJMoX: if you have two sensors.... where are they generally
[06:12] <neozen> xTaJMoX: I have one reading 53C and another reading 27C
[06:12] <jrsims> thermal1: 41C, thermal2: 38C
[06:12] <neozen> xTaJMoX: the warmer one is probably the processor.... but the other.....?
[06:13] <neozen> ....it has been kicking back on the bed for a while... probably not cooling off so well
[06:13] <neozen> feels a little toasty
[06:14] <neozen> this chip... has no speed scaling
[06:14] <jrsims> does 41 degrees and 38 degrees seem high?
[06:14] <jrsims> celsius
[06:15] <jrsims> this is cool. did not know I could actually see what my laptop sensors are reading.
[06:15] <neozen> xTaJMoX: I never bothered to check... too many things broken in XP that weren't in linux
[06:15] <xTaJMoX> jrsims: neozen 53C is your cpu  ...and yes thats high
[06:15] <xTaJMoX> jrsims: generally no tat's fine
[06:15] <neozen> xTaJMoX: like I said... toasty
[06:16] <xTaJMoX> neozen: your other sensor might be your hdd
[06:16] <xTaJMoX> which is pretty cool
[06:16] <neozen> kk
[06:17] <neozen> lenovo certainly seems to be doing things right
[06:17] <jrsims> yeah, I like my lenovo thinkpad
[06:17] <neozen> ..aside from putting a chip that didn't have speed scaling in a laptop
[06:17] <jrsims> I think they kept the same engineering team
[06:18] <neozen> but I picked the chip (only one that wasn't a core duo)... so I suppose the fault lies with me
[06:18] <xTaJMoX> neozen: you running the correct video driver?
[06:18] <ZenMasterJG> hey all, so i've just used the (i think) most recent xubuntu install cd on a couple of machines, and for some reason all my application's titlebars have 'o' instead of the title. anyone know how to fix it?
[06:18] <neozen> xTaJMoX: well... its an intel chipset
[06:18] <neozen> xTaJMoX: intel 950
[06:18] <neozen> xTaJMoX: and I'm using the i810 driver
[06:19] <xTaJMoX> ah so just install 950 then!
[06:19] <xTaJMoX> well
[06:19] <neozen> xTaJMoX: ...there isn't one is there?
[06:19] <xTaJMoX> i really dont know =] 
[06:19] <neozen> xTaJMoX: there isn't
[06:19] <xTaJMoX> i think there should be - its a popular card
[06:19] <neozen> ..cpu usage is bouncing on nothing
[06:20] <neozen> load average: 0.54, 0.32, 0.31
[06:20] <neozen> if that means anything
[06:20] <neozen> (deciphering would be welcome)
[06:22] <xTaJMoX> that is pretty low - are you sure windows doesnt get hot like that?
[06:22] <xTaJMoX> what is your acpi -t now
[06:22] <xTaJMoX> maybe a fan isnt running that should be
[06:22] <neozen> xTaJMoX: like I said... its been sitting on a bed
[06:22] <neozen> air flow hasn't been the best
[06:22] <neozen> and no.... fan is running just fine
[06:22] <xTaJMoX> ah you should always use a laptop cooler =] 
[06:23] <neozen> xTaJMoX: you mean stick it on a horizontal $5 k-mart fan?
[06:23] <neozen> best way to cool off a toasty piece of hardware
[06:24] <xTaJMoX> I was thinking more like a $15 tripple fan usb thingy
[06:24] <neozen> ........
[06:51] <Jester45> BFTD, does he want to stream flash videos or something else
[06:52] <BFTD> no, he wants to stream Real Videos
[06:52] <Jester45> yuck
[06:52] <BFTD> I have no idea how we're gonna do it though
[06:52] <BFTD> its all new to me
[06:52] <Jester45> i guess we should take this to our channel
[06:52] <BFTD> yeah
[06:52] <Jester45> i clicked on the wonrg one
[07:33] <Kprofthreat> Lollergog
[07:34] <BFTD> ?
[07:35] <Kprofthreat> Hey, someone's alive here after all
[07:35] <Kprofthreat> So poll: are you using Xubuntu cause of older hardware or for another reason?
[07:35] <BFTD> yeah
[07:35] <BFTD> my
[07:35] <BFTD> how are you?
[07:36] <Kprofthreat> I'm running a xubuntu session to test drive it.
[07:36] <Kprofthreat> Pretty tired right now
[07:36] <BFTD> I'm using XFCE because it's what I like
[07:36] <Kprofthreat> It resembles Gnome a lot more than I thought it would
[07:36] <BFTD> I don't like all that other crap
[07:36] <ZenMasterJG> woudl anyone have any idea why my brand new xubuntu install has 'o' in the titlebar of all my windows? it has the real titles, too (usually) its just mildly annoying
[07:38] <Kprofthreat> I'm trying to decide if I'm fine with KDE
[07:38] <BFTD> Kprofthreat no thats just ubuntu doing that, Xfce usually doesn't have a particularly style, it really depends on which system you use
[07:39] <Kprofthreat> Hmm
[07:39] <exw> coming from the fedora i  find this interesting .. has it always been possible to install flash from firefox ( by clicking install pgin embedded in the page ) in x/ubuntu as regular user?
[07:40] <Kprofthreat> Speed vs. style
[07:40] <Kprofthreat> =/
[07:41] <exw> ... because in fedora one can only install flash as root and via an rpm binary or yum, and not through the browser
[07:42] <exw> anyway... much easier in xubunu :-)
[07:43] <BFTD> yes
[07:43] <BFTD> yes it is
[07:43] <BFTD> plus if you install automatix you can do it that way
[07:44] <Jester45> !automatix
[07:44] <ubotu> Automatix2 is a script that tries to install some software, and often fails and breaks systems. We don't provide support for it, and we strongly discourage its use. Problems caused by Automatix are often hard to track and solve, and it might sometimes be easier to !install a fresh copy of Ubuntu. See also !WorksForMe
[07:44] <exw> i've read "bad things" about automatix
[07:44] <Jester45> its bad
[07:44] <exw> hail the bot
[07:48] <BFTD> I dunno
[07:48] <BFTD> they really fixed it up
[07:58] <s|k> why cant I find iceweasel with apt-cache?
[08:00] <neozen> ......more importantly
[08:00] <neozen> ..why are all ubuntu-related sites down
[08:00] <neozen> ..or appearing so from chicago
[08:01] <neozen> there some kind of scheduled outage I wasn't told about? ::grins worriedly::
[08:01] <s|k> from here too
[08:02] <s|k> arizona
[08:02] <s|k> even the ubuntu forums
[08:03] <neozen> ......the borg is coming to your axes people!
[08:06] <Jester45> im fine
[08:06] <Jester45> at least the apt server is fine and packages.ubuntu.com
[08:07] <Jester45> spoke to soon :(
[08:08] <Jester45> o no !! my computers are not up to date
[08:11] <neozen> they're working on it
[08:12] <Jester45> they better get it up :)
[08:14] <neozen> Jester45: you know they will
[08:14] <neozen> Jester45: no doubt someone put a backhoe through a t2000 or something
[08:15] <godless> !worksforme
[08:15] <ubotu> Common Sense: Just because you can, does not mean you should (and especially recommend to others). Think before you do. "Works for me" does not mean it is ok. The latest version of everything is not always useful if you aim for stability.
[08:16] <godless> You don't say.
[08:22] <Jester45> BFTD, how many nicks you got? BFTD OGDA thomas(____) commandre-crowe bftd-bot
[08:22] <Jester45> any more?
[08:25] <BFTD> Jester45 jcorm
[08:26] <Jester45> hi cellofellow
[08:26] <cellofellow> hiya
[08:28] <Jester45> anyone have a suggestion for some music
[08:28] <Jester45> anything but country
[08:37] <neozen> Jester45: sure... do you like dub?
[08:38] <neozen> gah.. back in a bit
[08:38] <neozen> Jester45: now.. where was I?
[08:38] <neozen> oh yeah.. dub
[08:38] <neozen> http://205.188.215.227:8000
[08:39] <neozen> there's a good stream for ambient
[08:39] <neozen> really great stuff comes on there
[08:40] <neozen> Jester45: http://205.188.215.230:8012 this is a stream for trance
[08:40] <Jester45> what do you play that with?
[08:44] <Jester45> well i got mpd and mplayer
[08:44] <Jester45> i think mplayer will
[08:45] <neozen> Jester45: mpg123 works just fine
[08:45] <neozen> Jester45: which most of the gui players use as a backend anyway
[08:46] <neozen> Jester45: xmms, bmp, audacious, just about any mp3 player does streaming these days
[08:47] <neozen> Jester45: I use xmms for audio and mplayer-nogui for all things video
[08:47] <neozen> ...I'm simply amazed at mplayer
[08:47] <neozen> supports just about every dern thing under the sun
[08:47] <neozen> ...and it just works!
[08:47] <Jester45> and
[08:47] <neozen> (once you install w32codecs on older ubuntus anyway)
[08:48] <Jester45> and doesnt error that much it just skips over the section or messes part of the video up
[08:48] <neozen> even that doesn't happen very often
[08:48] <Jester45> like a torrents thats 99% done :)
[08:48] <neozen> I gotcha
[08:51] <neozen> well, its time for me to go to sleep
[08:51] <neozen> many job applications to file today
[08:51] <neozen> (the joys of a recent college grad)
[03:16] <flagg> hello everyone
[03:16] <flagg> i just burned xubuntu 7.04 as an image to a cd!
[03:16] <flagg> and im trying to install it over my hdd... i tested the cd to see if it had any defects first!
[03:17] <flagg> it gave me "itco..... reboot flag caused by hardware
[03:17] <flagg> should i b worried?
[03:25] <Kateto> Hi, I need some help installing Xubuntu. Why after installing from the Alternate CD the graphical login screen asks me for a username and password I never set during the installation process?
[03:29] <W8TAH> anyone here using freenx
[05:15] <nikolam> hello hello hello :) Have some hardware questions if you please :)
[05:15] <nikolam> thinking about buying some entry-level machine intel or amd
[05:16] <nikolam> So am thinking about integrated graphics for amd from ati (690G) or integrated intel low cost solution
[05:17] <nikolam> Amd have VT (virtualization) instructions for Xen included but low cost intel dows not
[05:17] <nikolam> Also OSX works on intel/intel but not on Amd :)
[05:18] <nikolam> What is better for linux: Amd/ati with vt and not much overclock
[05:18] <nikolam> Or intel/intel dual core also with no VMX instructions but with intel graphics
[05:20] <cellofellow> No idea. I'm happy here to have Pentium II's or III's instead of Pentiums or 486's.
[05:30] <nikolam> hehe.. I am typing this on PIII-733, Xubuntu 384MbRAM :)
[05:31] <nikolam> working nice but.. I need more :)
[05:38] <force1> hi all :)
[06:00] <agentnoob> hiya anyone need some help with things?
[06:04] <Jester45> nope, but im sure someone will later
[06:04] <force1> i could use some help setting folder permissions in Xubuntu, or some help setting a fake root in VSftpD (same purpose)
[06:06] <force1> i would like to share a folder over FTP, but users cant be able to browse the rest of my HD
[06:10] <force1> and the second thing i could use some help with is: ho do i browse a shared windows folder in my lan
[06:16] <force1> so is any1 so kind to help me out with mny troubles ? :D
[06:16] <cellofellow> force1: use LinNeighborhood, or if you can get it to work, pyNeighborhood
[06:17] <cellofellow> I'd try pyNeighborhood first.
[06:17] <force1> does it come with a gui?
[06:17] <cellofellow> These programs mount the shares in your local filesystem for easy access.
[06:17] <cellofellow> Both are GUI. LinNeighborhood's GUI is a bit old fashioned and ugly, but real simple.
[06:17] <cellofellow> pyNeighborhood is newer and looks normal.
[06:18] <cellofellow> only real difference actually.
[06:19] <force1> aah! great stuff, thnx. :D
[06:20] <force1> and for my first question?
[06:20] <cellofellow> you need to do `sudo chmod +s /usr/bin/smbmnt` and the same to /usr/bin/smbumount to mount and unmount as user (at least with LinNeightborhood, dunno about pyNeighborhood)
[06:21] <cellofellow> I have no idea how to configure VSftpD or whatever.
[06:21] <cellofellow> best way to set permissions on stuff IMO is with the happy little clan of commands: chmod, chgrp, and chown.
[06:22] <force1> or is there an app that can easily configure folder permissions (without going to terminal, AND learn the command of chmod)
[06:22] <force1> too bad
[06:22] <TheSheep> force1: yes, just right click on the directory in thunar
[06:22] <cellofellow> Thunar has some permissions editing, but it's limited.
[06:22] <cellofellow> Rox-Filer has more options.
[06:22] <cellofellow> !rox
[06:22] <force1> that could be done easily in ubuntu, or windows :(
[06:22] <TheSheep> force1: if you want to share a directory though, you should use system->shared folders
[06:23] <TheSheep> cellofellow: what more options does rox have?
[06:23] <cellofellow> I hate that tool, it works fine for adding shares, once you've manually edited /etc/samba/smb.conf
[06:23] <cellofellow> TheSheep: Like being able to actually change the user, and set setuid and things like that, from GUI.
[06:23] <cellofellow> MC too.
[06:24] <force1> thunar wont let me change anything, even if i join the "root" user group[
[06:24] <cellofellow> Thunar skimps on the graphical permissions stuff.
[06:24] <TheSheep> cellofellow: it allows you to change user and group allright
[06:24] <cellofellow> force1: use Alt+F2 `gksu thunar` to edit stuff as root with thunar.
[06:24] <cellofellow> TheSheep: doesn't work for user, group works fine though.
[06:25] <force1> .... thats a nice suggestion :D thnx
[06:25] <TheSheep> cellofellow: well, you need root priviledges for that...
[06:25] <cellofellow> TheSheep: can't set separate modes for user/group/other
[06:25] <cellofellow> unless there's an Advanced Permissions option in the prefs.
[06:25] <TheSheep> cellofellow: no, there is not
[06:26] <cellofellow> I see what I'm complaining about. There's no Executable option (at leas for a folder.)
[06:26] <TheSheep> cellofellow: but I think it's good enough for someone who can't be bothered to learn one simple command
[06:27] <cellofellow> k
[06:28] <TheSheep> cellofellow: these options would be dangerous for someone who doesn't know how actually unix permissions work -- I agree they are handy in some special situations, but most of the time you only want to change what is actually there
[06:28] <cellofellow> yeah, I get yah
[06:28] <cellofellow> It is a desktop after all.
[06:29] <TheSheep> hmm... actually, putting a link that would start the 'shared folders' in there could be a good idea
[06:29] <TheSheep> like a link to 'workspaces and margins settings' in the pager settings
[06:30] <cellofellow> That'd be nice. To be able to just "Share Folder" like in Windows.
[06:30] <cellofellow> wow, I didn't know that network admins could send a single message to the entire network just like that.
[06:32] <cellofellow> Actually, although the Shared Folders tool isn't that hot for Samba, it is really good with NFS. I love it that way.
[06:34] <cellofellow> If I need it, I prefer SFTP or SSHFS to SCP anyways.
[06:37] <agentnoob> applications>system>network no wireless
[06:37] <agentnoob> very common problem i seem to be having
[06:38] <agentnoob> my wireless is eth1 yet when I do ifup eth1 it doesn't work
[07:22] <limbert65> How do I know whether I need to launch Gnome services at startup?  Is it ever a good idea to turn that off?
[07:22] <TheSheep> limbert65: yes, if you don't use a lot of gnome apps disabling it will save you some memory
[07:22] <TheSheep> limbert65: but will mkae those apps start a little slower the first time you use them
[07:22] <j1mc> TheSheep: what about GDM?
[07:23] <j1mc> no impact?
[07:23] <TheSheep> j1mc: no, gdm is started before that
[07:23] <limbert65> Thanks for the reply.  So, if I turn it off, the only bad thing that could happen is that Gnome apps startup slower?
[07:23] <TheSheep> limbert65: yes
[07:23] <limbert65> Thanks again!
[07:23] <maxamillion> limbert65: essentially in theory, yes
[07:23] <maxamillion> hi TheSheep, j1mc
[07:23] <j1mc> hi maxamillion
[07:23] <maxamillion> hi Redimere
[07:24] <Redimere> maxamillion: suo
[07:24] <Redimere> sup*
[07:24] <limbert65> Now, this might be a dumb question:  How do I know what apps are Gnome apps and which are GTK?
[07:24] <maxamillion> TheSheep: funny story, i was talking to Redimere in here the other night and Amanda came up and was like "why aren't you talking to him in the other program (talking about jabber)" because she thought that is how you would spell your name
[07:25] <maxamillion> limbert65: one way is to issue the command "apt-cache show <package name>" and it will show you what <package name> depends on
[07:25] <limbert65> Ok, thanks.
[07:26] <maxamillion> limbert65: and generally if it says something like gnome-lib-<whatever> it is a "gnome app" ... though not all gnome libs are as "heavy" as others and won't really effect performance in majority of instances, but be warned ... there are some that are rather costly on system resources in comparison
[07:27] <Redimere> gnome's a fatty!
[07:27] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it's pretty similar actually
[07:28] <TheSheep> Redimere: especially the C# things like beagle or tomboy
[07:28] <Redimere> somebody tried to tell me C# was extremely light on code, like better about it than perl
[07:29] <TheSheep> Redimere: on windows that's granted
[07:29] <Redimere> TheSheep: True, but he tried to say it spread across all systems
[07:29] <Redimere> TheSheep: Then again he also thought I was an idiot for not wanting to learn C and C++ at the same time
[07:29] <TheSheep> Redimere: in the end, it's more important how well it is written, not which language it uses
[07:30] <Redimere> TheSheep: True enough
[07:31] <maxamillion> Redimere: i wouldn't say you are an idiot for not wanting to learn C++, i would actually say you are rather intelligent ... but C on the other hand .... i think everyone should learn C and some systems level programming or atleast learn how the linker works and how cache is referenced/processed so you don't write crummy code .... but that's just my opinion
[07:31] <Redimere> maxamillion: No, no. I'm all for learning C++ AND C, but he tried to give me a book that taught both at once
[07:31] <maxamillion> Redimere: oh ew
[07:31] <maxamillion> Redimere: tell him i said he's an idiot
[07:32] <Redimere> maxamillion: Yar
[07:32] <TheSheep> :D
[07:32] <maxamillion> that's a horrible idea
[07:32] <maxamillion> they are different languages and should not be learned at the same time ... ever
[07:32] <Redimere> he said it was better because I avoided some of the nastier parts of the limits of C
[07:33] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I remember when we were tasked to write a program that would multiply matrices (three nested loops) in three versions, differening in the order of loops. Without enabling compiler's optimization, the differences in efficiency were tremendous.
[07:33] <maxamillion> C has no limits ... that's its problem, it allows the ameture programmer to shoot themselves in the foot
[07:34] <maxamillion> TheSheep: yup, there is an example about that in "the memory hierarchy" chapter of my text book that talks about caches
[07:34] <maxamillion> AHHH
[07:34] <maxamillion> i'm late for a meeting
[07:34] <maxamillion> gotta run
[07:34] <Redimere> maxamillion: late
[07:36] <hyper_ch> what's wrong with security.ubuntu.com ?
[07:36] <hyper_ch> can anyone give me the IP of it?
[07:37] <TheSheep> [sheep@atos ~] $ host security.ubuntu.com
[07:37] <TheSheep> security.ubuntu.com has address 82.211.81.138
[07:37] <TheSheep> security.ubuntu.com has address 91.189.88.31
[07:37] <TheSheep> weird
[07:38] <TheSheep> 31.88.189.91.in-addr.arpa domain name pointer leningradskaya.canonical.com.
[07:38] <Redimere> i'm gonna laff if security got hacked
[07:38] <hyper_ch> it's been a problem since yesterday
[07:38] <TheSheep> no, these are both canonical servers
[07:41] <hyper_ch> damn, can't get the php5-cli package
[07:42] <TheSheep> is blackcatnetworks.co.uk connected with canonical in any way? :/
[07:42] <Jester45> they might be running ubuntu
[07:42] <TheSheep> Jester45: right
[07:42] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: all seems in order
[07:42] <Jester45> i just apt-get updated
[07:42] <Jester45> fine
[07:42] <hyper_ch> 0% [Connecting to security.ubuntu.com (82.211.81.138)] 
[07:42] <hyper_ch> Jester45: ping works
[07:43] <Jester45> just wait a bit
[07:43] <hyper_ch> Jester45: at home
[08:08] <Redimere> maxamillion: how was the meeting
[08:09] <maxamillion> Redimere: quick ... it actually wasn't my meeting, i just had to setup laptops with wireless vpn connections and some appropriate software for the people who's meeting it was
[08:09] <maxamillion> Redimere: i'm a student-level systems admin for my university ... i do peon work like that rather often :(
[08:10] <Redimere> maxamillion: No worries mate, I was helpdesk
[08:10] <maxamillion> ah, yes ... the helpdesk
[08:10] <maxamillion> the helpdesk at my university isn't generally much help at all
[08:10] <Redimere> maxamillion: had to jerry rig a macbook pro to a projector that didn't have the right cable for it, that was fun
[08:10] <maxamillion> Redimere: sounds like a blast ... what university?
[08:11] <Redimere> maxamillion: University of Maine
[08:11] <maxamillion> Redimere: oh, i asked you that the other night
[08:11] <Redimere> maxamillion: and we usually fixed the problems presented thank you very much.
[08:12] <Redimere> granted better than half were severe cases of PEBKAC
[08:12] <maxamillion> Redimere: yeah, i don't doubt that
[08:13] <Redimere> maxamillion: "My monitor won't turn on, I recently moved to a new room and my friend hooked my computer up, can you guys replace my monitor?" *CLICK*
[08:13] <maxamillion> LOL
[08:31] <darrend> is there any recommended way to upgrade java6 in feisty to the 1.6.1 release ?  (it fixes the somewhat major bug that prevents it being used with beryl)
[08:31] <darrend> do I just get the debs and dpkg -i ?
[08:40] <maxamillion> darrend: you might want to get the debs and install using gdebi incase there are any dependencies that would need to be resolved
[09:00] <Amgine> How do I connect to a networked printer?
[09:07] <maxamillion> Amgine: thats a mildly complicated process
[09:08] <maxamillion> !printer | Amgine
[09:08] <ubotu> Amgine: Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[09:08] <maxamillion> Amgine: there are some good resources
[09:17] <Redimere> maxamillion: They use cups for printing, I thought we were using computers here meng.
[09:19] <maxamillion> lol
[09:19] <Redimere> Don't spill ink on my interview clothes, they're the only nice ones I have that aren't vomit stained
[09:20] <Redimere> Gee thanks.
[09:47] <Merchelo> today i used a piece of software which felt like it linux, but was actually made for windows
[09:48] <TheSheep> Merchelo: Today I'm using a piece of software that actually runs on linux, but feels like windows :(
[09:49] <Merchelo> Mine was lotus notes 7.5, whats yours?
[09:50] <TheSheep> Merchelo: firefox
[09:51] <TheSheep> Merchelo: lotus notes was a serious revolution of this kind of software in its times, I think it played a huge part in promoting desktop computers
[09:54] <Merchelo> it's class, adding a database to your workspace, and then replicating and indexing it locally for fast searching, genious. Best mail program i think i've ever used (outlook, gmail, thunderbird, mail.app)
[09:55] <TheSheep> mutt is best ;)
[09:56] <dan40> my laptop has some sort of side scroll feature..can I disable that somewhere..its really annoying
[09:59] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: notes is much more than a mail program
[10:00] <Merchelo> as i'm finding out atm.
[10:00] <Redimere> To beer, or not to beer, that is the question
[10:01] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: Lotus Notes is a Groupware used by large companies... my university uses it for almost anything
[10:02] <Merchelo> Redimere, got a job? then beer, otherwise keep looking
[10:03] <dan40> also...my desktop keeps launching with a couple of windows open. I am sure its a feature but I don't know how to turn it off or change what gets opened.
[10:04] <Redimere> Merchelo: As a matter of fact I do
[10:04] <Merchelo> Redimere, congrats, go nuts.
[10:04] <hyper_ch> dan40: do you save the session when shutting down or rebooting?
[10:04] <laserbeak43> is there a folder named opt in xubuntu?
[10:05] <Merchelo> hyper_ch, i work for IBM in dublin ireland, in a csc centre with around 2000 people there, everyone using lotus notes. it's gg
[10:05] <hyper_ch> Merchelo: I'm a CLP... been using notes sind 4.6
[10:06] <hyper_ch> university has about 4500 students and I don't know how many staff
[10:06] <dan40> hyper_ch: I don't thinkso
[10:06] <hyper_ch> dan40: check :)
[10:06] <dan40> hyper_ch: how?
[10:06] <hyper_ch> dan40: go to "Quit" dialog and see if it's checked
[10:06] <hyper_ch> dan40: "Save session for future logins"
[10:07] <dan40> NOT CHECKED
[10:07] <dan40> whoops didn't mean to yell
[10:07] <hyper_ch> dan40: hmm... ok, then I don't know :)
[10:08] <dan40> hyper_ch: crap.. :(
[10:09] <Merchelo> there's an option which you can add + subtract apps on startup
[10:09] <Merchelo> menu -> settings -> startup i think ?
[10:11] <dan40> merchelo: theres an 'autostart applications"  tab
[10:12] <Merchelo> yes
[10:12] <dan40> merchelo: yeah..thats not it either. nothing under there
[10:13] <Merchelo> what sort of windows open ?
[10:13] <Merchelo> like different applications or different windows from the same application
[10:14] <dan40> a terminal window, task manager
[10:15] <dan40> just single windows
[10:41] <godless> sounds like a saved session... xfce has done some weird things to me with essions before
[10:41] <godless> whoops he's gone
[10:54] <Jester45> hey BFTD
[10:55] <BFTD> hey
[10:55] <Jester45> did you see the new menu i made
[10:56] <BFTD> not yet
[10:56] <BFTD> will soon though
[10:56] <Jester45> i need to change the colors
[12:19] <laserbeak43> whats the syntax to search for a folder in the filesystem?
[12:23] <TheSheep> find / -directory -type d -name 'folder'
[12:23] <TheSheep> laserbeak43: but linux has directories, not folders ;)
[12:23] <TheSheep> sorry, without the '-directory'
[12:24] <TheSheep> that was a mistake that I forgot to delete :)