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| sbalneav | Evening all | 04:21 |
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| Burgundavia | hey sbalneav | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | Hello Burgundavia | 05:19 |
| sbalneav | Anything new and exciting? | 05:20 |
| Burgundavia | got accepted to college | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | Ah! Going back to school? | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | Super | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | Whatcha taking? | 05:20 |
| Burgundavia | geography | 05:20 |
| sbalneav | Cool | 05:21 |
| sbalneav | Got a future job in mind? | 05:21 |
| Burgundavia | urban planning | 05:21 |
| sbalneav | Great. | 05:21 |
| sbalneav | When you get done, we could use you here in Winnipeg. | 05:22 |
| sbalneav | :) | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | indeed | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | your downtown is dead | 05:22 |
| Burgundavia | because you built all those bloody big box stores | 05:22 |
| sbalneav | Sustainable Communities are some kind of crazy moon language to our people | 05:23 |
| sbalneav | yeah | 05:23 |
| sbalneav | "Geez, wonder why no one comes downtown anymore?!?!" | 05:23 |
| Burgundavia | I remember walking around and seeing how the downtown was filled with pawn shops, dead stores and garbage and feeling very sad | 05:23 |
| sbalneav | "Can't have anything to do with the stupid boutique stores and 1.50 an hour street parking we implemented!" | 05:24 |
| Burgundavia | lack of transit and lack of people living downtown doesn't help | 05:24 |
| Burgundavia | I remember seeing Summerside, PEI, a town of around 10k is blighted by the same thing | 05:24 |
| sbalneav | The biggest urban planning disaster of the last 60 years has been the "Suburb" | 05:24 |
| sbalneav | Back when people used to live near where they worked, you had a vibrant community. | 05:25 |
| Burgundavia | a lot of that has to do with planning for a car, not humansx | 05:26 |
| sbalneav | Now, you just cram up stupid office buildings, and wonder why there's so much crime in the downtown at night, WHEN EVERYONE LEAVES. | 05:26 |
| sbalneav | duh | 05:26 |
| sbalneav | right. | 05:26 |
| sbalneav | I gave up my parking pass at work last week | 05:26 |
| sbalneav | I'm back to biking/public transit. | 05:26 |
| Burgundavia | driving around downtown Tulsa at 6pm was funny. It was like being in a zombie movie. large office buildings, everything closed and nobody around | 05:26 |
| sbalneav | Sure. | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | Well, good for you. | 05:27 |
| sbalneav | We're going to need to get back to the old ways. | 05:28 |
| Burgundavia | I rather suspect I will not go wanting for a job when I graduate | 05:28 |
| sbalneav | The coming eco-disaster/energy crunch/whatever is going to force us to go back to living where we work, and setting up pedestrian and cycle friendly communities. | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | on another topic, have you seen that ebox has been packaged | 05:29 |
| Burgundavia | ? | 05:29 |
| sbalneav | No I haven't | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | just hit gutsy | 05:30 |
| sbalneav | what's ebox? | 05:30 |
| Burgundavia | http://ebox-platform.com/ | 05:30 |
| sbalneav | aptitude search ebox isn't returning me anything, and I just updated 15 minutes ago :() | 05:31 |
| Burgundavia | maybe ftbfs | 05:31 |
| sbalneav | I've seen that acronym before. Excuse my ignorance, but what's it mean? | 05:32 |
| Burgundavia | fails to build from source | 05:32 |
| sbalneav | ahhh | 05:32 |
| sbalneav | ok, so it crapped out the build servers. | 05:32 |
| sbalneav | got it. | 05:32 |
| sbalneav | I published my little hobby last week. | 05:33 |
| sbalneav | https://launchpad.net/k8055fs | 05:33 |
| Burgundavia | what is that? | 05:34 |
| sbalneav | When I get a moment, hopefully I can go to motu school, package it, and become motu-riffic :) | 05:34 |
| sbalneav | It's a fuse filesystem that allows you to control a Velleman K8055 USB interface board. | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | i thought you were mentioning twitterrific hehe | 05:34 |
| sbalneav | hey jsgotangco | 05:34 |
| jsgotangco | hi | 05:34 |
| Burgundavia | what is the usb interface board? | 05:35 |
| sbalneav | It;s a little bit of kit that's got 2 AD converters, 2 DA converters, 5 digi inputs, 8 digi outputs and 2 16 bit counters. | 05:35 |
| sbalneav | Basically, monitor and control the real world with your computer. | 05:36 |
| sbalneav | temperature measurements, instrumentation, anything you want. | 05:36 |
| Burgundavia | ah, cool | 05:36 |
| sbalneav | My long term project (10 years now) is to build an Aurora Borealis detector, that detects auroral events, measures deflections in the earths magnetif field, and is hooked up to a digi camera with a fisheye lens that automatically takes pictures! | 05:38 |
| sbalneav | I've got the sensor head, the interface board, and I've written the control software. | 05:38 |
| sbalneav | I LOVE the aurora. | 05:39 |
| jsgotangco | is that the curtain lights thing? | 05:39 |
| sbalneav | Yep | 05:41 |
| sbalneav | Ever seen them? | 05:41 |
| sbalneav | I've watched them ever since I was a kid. | 05:42 |
| sbalneav | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(astronomy) | 05:42 |
| sbalneav | It is quite possibly the most beautiful and specacular thing you'll ever see on this planet. | 05:42 |
| sbalneav | I've been out on a moonless night in the country, and they were so bright, I could read a book. | 05:43 |
| jsgotangco | no i haven't seen them | 05:48 |
| jsgotangco | must be a spectacle for a first timer | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | the first time i experienced summer solstice i was like WTF | 05:49 |
| jsgotangco | is that solstice or equinox | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | no idea | 05:50 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 05:50 |
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| sbalneav | Take every fireworks display you've ever seen in your life, add them together, and multiply them by 10^8 | 05:50 |
| sbalneav | One time, when I was WAY up north, and there was a really big event, I actually heard them. | 05:51 |
| sbalneav | Which is very rare. | 05:51 |
| sbalneav | When you live in a northern cold place, theres not many advantages, but the Aurora's one of 'em. | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | hear an aurora? | 05:52 |
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| sbalneav | yeah. | 05:52 |
| jsgotangco | hear electricity right | 05:52 |
| sbalneav | They sorta crackle a bit | 05:52 |
| sbalneav | They have to come down fairly low to hear them. But there was a huge solar flare that day, so it was a big event. | 05:53 |
| sbalneav | About 10 years ago or so. | 05:54 |
| sbalneav | Well, I keep hearing about jokosher | 05:54 |
| jsgotangco | can those things hurt if they are low? | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | so, I'm installing it. | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | No. | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | "Low" == 50 km or so. | 05:55 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | "normal" = 80 km | 05:55 |
| jsgotangco | but you "feel" them? | 05:55 |
| jsgotangco | or you just see them | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | They can knock out communication equipment, though. | 05:55 |
| jsgotangco | ahh | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | No, you don't feel them. | 05:55 |
| sbalneav | Tell you what. Here's a standing invitation for you. | 05:56 |
| sbalneav | If you ever get the urge to come visit me in Winnipeg, you can stay at my house, and I'll drive you up north for a few days. | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | We'll check 'em out. | 05:57 |
| jsgotangco | i'll be in NA this autumn | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | NA | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | ? | 05:57 |
| jsgotangco | so i can probably try get a canadian visa | 05:57 |
| jsgotangco | north america | 05:57 |
| sbalneav | Ah, cool. | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | will be staying in chicago and la for a while | 05:58 |
| sbalneav | Oh, for the Boston UDS | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | well that too | 05:58 |
| sbalneav | Cool. | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | but ive scheduled trips | 05:58 |
| sbalneav | Well, drop by. | 05:58 |
| jsgotangco | that's in manitoba right? | 05:59 |
| sbalneav | Yep! | 05:59 |
| sbalneav | See if you can make it. | 05:59 |
| jsgotangco | i'll hold you to that! | 06:00 |
| sbalneav | No problem. | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | brb lunch | 06:00 |
| sbalneav | So long as you like cats, you can sleep on the basement couch :) | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | oh i have 4 cats here | 06:00 |
| jsgotangco | :D | 06:00 |
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| LaserJock | RichEd: ping? | 09:49 |
| RichEd | hi LaserJock | 09:49 |
| RichEd | I've responded to Justin ... and we will confirm shipping details today. | 09:50 |
| === jsgotangco yawns | ||
| === ogra too | ||
| jsgotangco | the weather here is soo inviting to take a nap | 10:08 |
| ogra | same here | 10:13 |
| ogra | london summer | 10:13 |
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| ogra | (sun shining in drops) | 10:13 |
| jsgotangco | distro sprint? | 10:14 |
| ogra | yup | 10:14 |
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| RichEd | hi ogra & jsgotangco | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | hey | 10:20 |
| jsgotangco | how's it going | 10:20 |
| ogra | moin | 10:20 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco good and bad ... you know how it goes sometimes | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | ah well | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | i am getting sick of planes lately | 10:21 |
| jsgotangco | heh | 10:21 |
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| multik | ogra: you in here? | 01:57 |
| ogra | yup | 01:58 |
| ogra | partially at least, i'm very busy at the distro sprint | 01:58 |
| ogra | so i'm rather in and out, depending if i'm in meetings or on my lappie ... | 01:58 |
| multik | well, I reinstalled my edubuntu server (laptop) and now I can get thin client to acquire IP from edubuntu. | 01:58 |
| ogra | wonderful :) | 01:58 |
| multik | however now I get TFTP file not found error | 01:59 |
| ogra | was that gutsy or feisty ? | 01:59 |
| multik | feisty | 01:59 |
| multik | 7.04 | 01:59 |
| ogra | did you change anything in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ? | 01:59 |
| multik | umm, no :( | 01:59 |
| ogra | hmm | 01:59 |
| multik | sorry mate, I'm still learning. | 02:00 |
| ogra | can you check that /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 contains the kernel and stuff | 02:00 |
| multik | yes pxelinux.0 file is there. | 02:01 |
| ogra | (it should all work out of the box, dont blame yourself ;) its my fault if its broken ) | 02:01 |
| ogra | vmlinuz etc as well ? | 02:01 |
| multik | correct, everyyhings there. | 02:01 |
| ogra | ok | 02:01 |
| ogra | grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf | 02:02 |
| ogra | what does that return ? | 02:02 |
| multik | tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot | 02:05 |
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| ogra | ok | 02:05 |
| ogra | ps ax|grep inetd | 02:05 |
| ogra | ^^^ will show you if inetd is running | 02:06 |
| ogra | does it run ? | 02:06 |
| multik | yes | 02:08 |
| ogra | is there any chance that you have a second dhcp server running in your netork ? | 02:08 |
| ogra | that usually breaks .... | 02:09 |
| multik | nope, no other devices: lab setup is as follows: HP switch, edubuntu laptop and thin client. Switch is not connected anywhere. Just 2 PCs going to it. | 02:12 |
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| ogra | hmm, i wonder if the switch somehow blocks tftp | 02:23 |
| multik | hmm. Well I can always try to connect thin client and edubuntu thru crossover patch | 02:36 |
| ogra | try that | 02:39 |
| ogra | to make sure its not a network fault | 02:39 |
| multik | ok, I'll try it now. | 02:39 |
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| multik | ok ogra, I went to shop, bought crossover patch. Now it looks more promising, yet thin client complans that TFTP cannot open connection (PXE-E38) | 03:06 |
| multik | and PXE-E11: ARP timeout | 03:06 |
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| sbalneav | Morning all | 03:42 |
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| multik | ogra: any ideas? :) | 04:12 |
| sbalneav | multik: What's your issue? | 04:16 |
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| multik | I'm trying to connect with thin client to Edubuntu server. Thin client complans that TFTP cannot open connection (PXE-E38) | 04:24 |
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| multik | sbalneav: any ideas? | 04:28 |
| sbalneav | Where's your dhcpd server running? On the edubuntu server? | 04:29 |
| multik | yes | 04:30 |
| multik | default install no changes made. | 04:30 |
| multik | IP of edubuntu server is 192.168.0.1 as per manual. It's actually laptop with 1 NIC. But that shouldn't make a difference. | 04:30 |
| sbalneav | Is there another dhcp server on the network? | 04:32 |
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| sbalneav | Like a dsl router or something? | 04:32 |
| multik | nope, laptop (edubuntu server) and thin client are directly connected thru crossover oatch | 04:36 |
| multik | patch* | 04:36 |
| multik | thin client receives IP from DHCP just fine but TFTP session is not opening. | 04:36 |
| sbalneav | what does netstat -an | grep :69 report? | 04:42 |
| multik | udp 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* | 04:46 |
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| sbalneav | seems ok | 04:53 |
| ogra | do you see tftp mentioned in /var/log/daemon.log ? | 04:54 |
| ogra | (during trying to boot the client) | 04:54 |
| ogra | i wonder if the server even gets a request | 04:54 |
| gerbra | Hello, i have a problem with edubuntu and software raid. It's a combination of raid1 and raid10 over 4 scsi disks. If i simulate an fault of one disk (remove it) than the server doesn't reboot. I stuck in the busybox/initramfs. There i could reassemble the raid but i think the system should reboot also with 3 of 4 devices. Anybody here with tips? I could surely give more informations. | 04:59 |
| sbalneav | Probably something that needs to be done in the initramfs. edubuntu uses the stock ubuntu kernels, maybe filing a bug against the ubuntu kernel package would be the way to go. | 05:01 |
| gerbra | sbalneav: Hm, not sure if this is a bug, maybe a fault of mine... I've put a script with mdadm -A -s in mkinitramfs script sections an generated several new initrds. The effect is that raid comes up with 3/4 but the further mount of / an init doesn't work. | 05:03 |
| sbalneav | brb, meeting | 05:06 |
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| moquist__ | ogra: it's looking good for Edubuntu here, BTW. We'll be meeting sometime in the next week to make the decision. | 06:27 |
| === moquist__ keeps his fingers crossed | ||
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| ogra | YAY | 06:28 |
| === ogra just got suspend/resume working on the classmate ... just to find out that the kernel forcefully removes all usb contoller modules during suspend ... | ||
| ogra | so it will never work | 06:29 |
| ogra | since the disk is just gone after resume :( | 06:29 |
| RichEd | ogra: you mean it loses the entire internal flash disk ? | 06:33 |
| ogra | indeed | 06:33 |
| RichEd | hi moquist | 06:33 |
| RichEd | damn :P | 06:33 |
| ogra | its like running it from usb stick and unplugging this while being in suspend | 06:34 |
| RichEd | ( damn the flashdisk not the moquist ) | 06:34 |
| ogra | if you resume it actually looks like it would work since you still have half the system in ram ... but it dies with the first disk acces | 06:34 |
| RichEd | ogra: so to fix that ... is it a s/w kernel issue, or a hardware/firmware problem ? | 06:34 |
| ogra | there is no fix | 06:35 |
| ogra | but i was thinking justin said it worked on other distros | 06:35 |
| ogra | which is a bit strange, since it cant work by design | 06:35 |
| RichEd | well how do we either (1) stop whatever removes the usb controller ... or (2) let the resume reload the usb controllers | 06:36 |
| ogra | wont work | 06:36 |
| RichEd | are either of those an option ? | 06:36 |
| ogra | no | 06:36 |
| ogra | the kernel has a builtin routine that does it | 06:36 |
| ogra | there is no way to stop it from unloading them | 06:37 |
| ogra | which means, even if they would return in right order etc you have filesystem corruption | 06:37 |
| ogra | the only way to solve it would be to use an IDE based flash device internally | 06:38 |
| ogra | that wouldnt get unloaded | 06:38 |
| RichEd | ah ... but that was on our list, and was an intel manufacturing action ... not up to us ? | 06:38 |
| ogra | i will try to play with some options and scripts but its extremely unlikely that anyone can work around that | 06:39 |
| === RichEd wonders if Justin would give us contact details to find out how the other o/s's supposedly get it right | ||
| RichEd | i don't suppose that the suspend could write some necessary code routine into RAM to be executed when resume kicks in ? | 06:40 |
| moquist | RichEd: hehe; hi :) | 06:40 |
| RichEd | :) | 06:40 |
| moquist | RichEd: Just got back from our FOSSED conference yesterday; I pointed lots of area people to UES. :-) | 06:40 |
| moquist | ...and some local devs to UDS. | 06:41 |
| RichEd | excellent ... we need some new community developers | 06:41 |
| RichEd | moquist: is there any where that we can find a summary of what you do at you school(s) with *buntu | 06:42 |
| === moquist is camping out in here today watching for laserjock, who has not yet responded to the first-attempt package moquist sent... ;) | ||
| moquist | RichEd: not at this point. | 06:42 |
| moquist | RichEd: it's not a done deal that we're going edubuntu, and there still some political sensitivity | 06:42 |
| RichEd | we're speaking to the big OEM boys who are looking for references before they get their diddums little feet wet in the poolie woolie | 06:42 |
| moquist | sure | 06:43 |
| moquist | RichEd: what's your timetable on needing the references? | 06:43 |
| ogra | RichEd, if i remove the floor underneath you if you are in the 2nd floor, how long can you stand ? | 06:43 |
| ogra | there is no solution to it | 06:43 |
| RichEd | moquist: we've got a few already, but a slow trickle would help build momentum | 06:43 |
| moquist | RichEd: right. I'm just thinking that if things go as I hope, we could probably become a confident public reference within the next 3-4 months. | 06:44 |
| RichEd | ogra: I never thought I would hear you "say" those words ... but point taken | 06:44 |
| RichEd | moquist: that's great :) | 06:44 |
| ogra | RichEd, indeed i'll poke around and have one or the other sleepless night about it ... but ... ... ... | 06:45 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: i got an email | 06:49 |
| jsgotangco | will forward it | 06:49 |
| RichEd | jsgotangco: thanks ... also regarding all the EC and Edubuntu applicants ... we're going to hold a special Community and Contributor focus meeting on Wed 1 Aug | 06:50 |
| RichEd | I'll publicise it ahead of the time ... but just so you know. | 06:50 |
| jsgotangco | ahh cool i'll be in bangkok that time | 06:50 |
| RichEd | moquist: /msg window re the laser mantha | 06:51 |
| jsgotangco | what time? | 06:51 |
| RichEd | its the 20:00 utc so it will be thursday morning for you | 06:51 |
| jsgotangco | hmm probably in a plane | 06:51 |
| jsgotangco | flying from hanoi | 06:51 |
| === RichEd remembers bangkok as alive and humid and sweaty ... but fondly | ||
| jsgotangco | heh | 06:52 |
| jsgotangco | this month and next is crazy for me | 06:52 |
| RichEd | will you hook up with stuart bishop for a visit ? and I think we also have a new guy Jeroen from bangkok as well .... Jeroen used to be with SIPA | 06:52 |
| === RichEd heads off for supper | ||
| RichEd | later chasps | 06:53 |
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| jsgotangco | RichEd: i think Jeroen will be goingn to TOSSFEST | 06:55 |
| moquist | RichEd, ogra: if things go as I hope (and we have Edubuntu all over), I'll bet you guys could get a tour of our site around UES/UDS time. it's just over an hour drive north from Boston. If you're interested. *shrug* | 06:55 |
| jsgotangco | speaking rather | 06:55 |
| RichEd | TOSSFEST <- ohh not such a good name to associate around geeks ... sounds quite messy ;) | 06:55 |
| jsgotangco | well | 06:55 |
| jsgotangco | thailand open source software festival something | 06:56 |
| jsgotangco | hehe | 06:56 |
| jsgotangco | i think its aug. 1 -2 | 06:56 |
| jsgotangco | but i'll be doing IOSN work | 06:56 |
| jsgotangco | so ill probably go there anyways | 06:56 |
| jsgotangco | (send the email btw) | 06:56 |
| gerbra | For my problem where edubuntu doesn't reboot correctly when one disk got absent in an sw raid array (17:00) i have made a bug report #125561. Maybe anyone has an idea? BTW: if updating/making a initrd.img with update-initramfs, are the scripts/hooks from /usr/share/initramfs-tools automatically build in this new initrd image? | 07:05 |
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| Petaris | Hi all | 07:07 |
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| Petaris | If I use the 64-bit server version will the 32-bit clients be able to run 32-bit firefox and plugins? | 07:08 |
| Petaris | I mean automatically | 07:08 |
| Petaris | or do I have to do that manually like I had to on the last release? | 07:09 |
| Petaris | Also is network authentication fully implemented now? | 07:09 |
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| ogra | RichEd, i have an idea for the prob, i'll sleep about it and try it out tomorrow ;) | 07:27 |
| === ogra goes to see spamalot (monty python) now | ||
| ogra | bye | 07:28 |
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| moquist | ogra: cool! have a great time. | 08:33 |
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| Petaris | How can I build the i386 chroot for my thin clients, I installed the x86_64 version of the server | 10:16 |
| Petaris | I looked in the docs but can't find it there | 10:16 |
| Petaris | ok, I figured out it uses ltsp-build-client --arch i386 but that gives me an error saying that it can't get the release file | 10:33 |
| Petaris | Any ideas? | 10:33 |
| Petaris | nevermind, it was a proxy issue | 10:34 |
| Petaris | Does anyone know if the network auth system is done and in 7.0.4? | 10:55 |
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