[04:21] <sbalneav> Evening all
[05:19] <Burgundavia> hey sbalneav
[05:19] <sbalneav> Hello Burgundavia
[05:20] <sbalneav> Anything new and exciting?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> got accepted to college
[05:20] <sbalneav> Ah!  Going back to school?
[05:20] <sbalneav> Super
[05:20] <sbalneav> Whatcha taking?
[05:20] <Burgundavia> geography
[05:21] <sbalneav> Cool
[05:21] <sbalneav> Got a future job in mind?
[05:21] <Burgundavia> urban planning
[05:21] <sbalneav> Great.
[05:22] <sbalneav> When you get done, we could use you here in Winnipeg.
[05:22] <sbalneav> :)
[05:22] <Burgundavia> indeed
[05:22] <Burgundavia> your downtown is dead
[05:22] <Burgundavia> because you built all those bloody big box stores
[05:23] <sbalneav> Sustainable Communities are some kind of crazy moon language to our people
[05:23] <sbalneav> yeah
[05:23] <sbalneav> "Geez, wonder why no one comes downtown anymore?!?!"
[05:23] <Burgundavia> I remember walking around and seeing how the downtown was filled with pawn shops, dead stores and garbage and feeling very sad
[05:24] <sbalneav> "Can't have anything to do with the stupid boutique stores and 1.50 an hour street parking we implemented!"
[05:24] <Burgundavia> lack of transit and lack of people living downtown doesn't help
[05:24] <Burgundavia> I remember seeing Summerside, PEI, a town of around 10k is blighted by the same thing
[05:24] <sbalneav> The biggest urban planning disaster of the last 60 years has been the "Suburb"
[05:25] <sbalneav> Back when people used to live near where they worked, you had a vibrant community.
[05:26] <Burgundavia> a lot of that has to do with planning for a car, not humansx
[05:26] <sbalneav> Now, you just cram up stupid office buildings, and wonder why there's so much crime in the downtown at night, WHEN EVERYONE LEAVES.
[05:26] <sbalneav> duh
[05:26] <sbalneav> right.
[05:26] <sbalneav> I gave up my parking pass at work last week
[05:26] <sbalneav> I'm back to biking/public transit.
[05:26] <Burgundavia> driving around downtown Tulsa at 6pm was funny. It was like being in a zombie movie. large office buildings, everything closed and nobody around
[05:27] <sbalneav> Sure.
[05:27] <sbalneav> Well, good for you.
[05:28] <sbalneav> We're going to need to get back to the old ways.
[05:28] <Burgundavia> I rather suspect I will not go wanting for a job when I graduate
[05:29] <sbalneav> The coming eco-disaster/energy crunch/whatever is going to force us to go back to living where we work, and setting up pedestrian and cycle friendly communities.
[05:29] <Burgundavia> on another topic, have you seen that ebox has been packaged
[05:29] <Burgundavia> ?
[05:30] <sbalneav> No I haven't
[05:30] <Burgundavia> just hit gutsy
[05:30] <sbalneav> what's ebox?
[05:30] <Burgundavia> http://ebox-platform.com/
[05:31] <sbalneav> aptitude search ebox isn't returning me anything, and I just updated 15 minutes ago :()
[05:31] <Burgundavia> maybe ftbfs
[05:32] <sbalneav> I've seen that acronym before.  Excuse my ignorance, but what's it mean?
[05:32] <Burgundavia> fails to build from source
[05:32] <sbalneav> ahhh
[05:32] <sbalneav> ok, so it crapped out the build servers.
[05:32] <sbalneav> got it.
[05:33] <sbalneav> I published my little hobby last week.
[05:33] <sbalneav> https://launchpad.net/k8055fs
[05:34] <Burgundavia> what is that?
[05:34] <sbalneav> When I get a moment, hopefully I can go to motu school, package it, and become motu-riffic :)
[05:34] <sbalneav> It's a fuse filesystem that allows you to control a Velleman K8055 USB interface board.
[05:34] <jsgotangco> i thought you were mentioning twitterrific hehe
[05:34] <sbalneav> hey jsgotangco
[05:34] <jsgotangco> hi
[05:35] <Burgundavia> what is the usb interface board?
[05:35] <sbalneav> It;s a little bit of kit that's got 2 AD converters, 2 DA converters, 5 digi inputs, 8 digi outputs and 2 16 bit counters.
[05:36] <sbalneav> Basically, monitor and control the real world with  your computer.
[05:36] <sbalneav> temperature measurements, instrumentation, anything you want.
[05:36] <Burgundavia> ah, cool
[05:38] <sbalneav> My long term project (10 years now) is to build an Aurora Borealis detector, that detects auroral events, measures deflections in the earths magnetif field, and is hooked up to a digi camera with a fisheye lens that automatically takes pictures!
[05:38] <sbalneav> I've got the sensor head, the interface board, and I've written the control software.
[05:39] <sbalneav> I LOVE the aurora.
[05:39] <jsgotangco> is that the curtain lights thing?
[05:41] <sbalneav> Yep
[05:41] <sbalneav> Ever seen them?
[05:42] <sbalneav> I've watched them ever since I was a kid.
[05:42] <sbalneav> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(astronomy)
[05:42] <sbalneav> It is quite possibly the most beautiful and specacular thing you'll ever see on this planet.
[05:43] <sbalneav> I've been out on a moonless night in the country, and they were so bright, I could read a book.
[05:48] <jsgotangco> no i haven't seen them
[05:49] <jsgotangco> must be a spectacle for a first timer
[05:49] <jsgotangco> the first time i experienced summer solstice i was like WTF
[05:50] <jsgotangco> is that solstice or equinox
[05:50] <jsgotangco> no idea
[05:50] <jsgotangco> hehe
[05:50] <sbalneav> Take every fireworks display you've ever seen in your life, add them together, and multiply them by 10^8
[05:51] <sbalneav> One time, when I was WAY up north, and there was a really big event, I actually heard them.
[05:51] <sbalneav> Which is very rare.
[05:52] <sbalneav> When you live in a northern cold place, theres not many advantages, but the Aurora's one of 'em.
[05:52] <jsgotangco> hear an aurora?
[05:52] <sbalneav> yeah.
[05:52] <jsgotangco> hear electricity right
[05:52] <sbalneav> They sorta crackle a bit
[05:53] <sbalneav> They have to come down fairly low to hear them.  But there was a huge solar flare that day, so it was a big event.
[05:54] <sbalneav> About 10 years ago or so.
[05:54] <sbalneav> Well, I keep hearing about jokosher
[05:55] <jsgotangco> can those things hurt if they are low?
[05:55] <sbalneav> so, I'm installing it.
[05:55] <sbalneav> No.
[05:55] <sbalneav> "Low" == 50 km or so.
[05:55] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:55] <sbalneav> "normal" = 80 km
[05:55] <jsgotangco> but you "feel" them?
[05:55] <jsgotangco> or you just see them
[05:55] <sbalneav> They can knock out communication equipment, though.
[05:55] <jsgotangco> ahh
[05:55] <sbalneav> No, you don't feel them.
[05:56] <sbalneav> Tell you what.  Here's a standing invitation for you.
[05:57] <sbalneav> If you ever get the urge to come visit me in Winnipeg, you can stay at my house, and I'll drive you up north for a few days.
[05:57] <sbalneav> We'll check 'em out.
[05:57] <jsgotangco> i'll be in NA this autumn
[05:57] <sbalneav> NA
[05:57] <sbalneav> ?
[05:57] <jsgotangco> so i can probably try get a canadian visa
[05:57] <jsgotangco> north america
[05:58] <sbalneav> Ah, cool.
[05:58] <jsgotangco> will be staying in chicago and la for a while
[05:58] <sbalneav> Oh, for the Boston UDS
[05:58] <jsgotangco> well that too
[05:58] <sbalneav> Cool.
[05:58] <jsgotangco> but ive scheduled trips
[05:58] <sbalneav> Well, drop by.
[05:59] <jsgotangco> that's in manitoba right?
[05:59] <sbalneav> Yep!
[05:59] <sbalneav> See if you can make it.
[06:00] <jsgotangco> i'll hold you to that!
[06:00] <sbalneav> No problem.
[06:00] <jsgotangco> brb lunch
[06:00] <sbalneav> So long as you like cats, you can sleep on the basement couch :)
[06:00] <jsgotangco> oh i have 4 cats here
[06:00] <jsgotangco> :D
[09:49] <LaserJock> RichEd: ping?
[09:49] <RichEd> hi LaserJock
[09:50] <RichEd> I've responded to Justin ... and we will confirm shipping details today.
[10:08] <jsgotangco> the weather here is soo inviting to take a nap
[10:13] <ogra> same here
[10:13] <ogra> london summer
[10:13] <ogra> (sun shining in drops)
[10:14] <jsgotangco> distro sprint?
[10:14] <ogra> yup
[10:20] <RichEd> hi ogra & jsgotangco
[10:20] <jsgotangco> hey
[10:20] <jsgotangco> how's it going
[10:20] <ogra> moin
[10:21] <RichEd> jsgotangco good and bad ... you know how it goes sometimes
[10:21] <jsgotangco> ah well
[10:21] <jsgotangco> i am getting sick of planes lately
[10:21] <jsgotangco> heh
[01:57] <multik> ogra: you in here?
[01:58] <ogra> yup
[01:58] <ogra> partially at least, i'm very busy at the distro sprint
[01:58] <ogra> so i'm rather in and out, depending if i'm in meetings or on my lappie ...
[01:58] <multik> well, I reinstalled my edubuntu server (laptop) and now I can get thin client to acquire IP from edubuntu.
[01:58] <ogra> wonderful :)
[01:59] <multik> however now I get TFTP file not found error
[01:59] <ogra> was that gutsy or feisty ?
[01:59] <multik> feisty
[01:59] <multik> 7.04
[01:59] <ogra> did you change anything in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ?
[01:59] <multik> umm, no :(
[01:59] <ogra> hmm
[02:00] <multik> sorry mate, I'm still learning.
[02:00] <ogra> can you check that /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 contains the kernel and stuff
[02:01] <multik> yes pxelinux.0 file is there.
[02:01] <ogra> (it should all work out of the box, dont blame yourself ;) its my fault if its broken )
[02:01] <ogra> vmlinuz etc as well ?
[02:01] <multik> correct, everyyhings there.
[02:01] <ogra> ok
[02:02] <ogra> grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf
[02:02] <ogra> what does that return ?
[02:05] <multik> tftp   dgram  udp  wait  root  /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot
[02:05] <ogra> ok
[02:05] <ogra> ps ax|grep inetd
[02:06] <ogra> ^^^ will show you if inetd is running
[02:06] <ogra> does it run ?
[02:08] <multik> yes
[02:08] <ogra> is there any chance that you have a second dhcp server running in your netork ?
[02:09] <ogra> that usually breaks ....
[02:12] <multik> nope, no other devices: lab setup is as follows: HP switch, edubuntu laptop and thin client. Switch is not connected anywhere. Just 2 PCs going to it.
[02:23] <ogra> hmm, i wonder if the switch somehow blocks tftp
[02:36] <multik> hmm. Well I can always try to connect thin client and edubuntu thru crossover patch
[02:39] <ogra> try that
[02:39] <ogra> to make sure its not a network fault
[02:39] <multik> ok, I'll try it now.
[03:06] <multik> ok ogra, I went to shop, bought crossover patch. Now it looks more promising, yet thin client complans that TFTP cannot open connection (PXE-E38)
[03:06] <multik> and PXE-E11: ARP timeout
[03:42] <sbalneav> Morning all
[04:12] <multik> ogra: any ideas? :)
[04:16] <sbalneav> multik: What's your issue?
[04:24] <multik> I'm trying to connect with thin client to Edubuntu server. Thin client complans that TFTP cannot open connection (PXE-E38)
[04:28] <multik> sbalneav: any ideas?
[04:29] <sbalneav> Where's your dhcpd server running?  On the edubuntu server?
[04:30] <multik> yes
[04:30] <multik> default install no changes made.
[04:30] <multik> IP of edubuntu server is 192.168.0.1 as per manual. It's actually laptop with 1 NIC. But that shouldn't make a difference.
[04:32] <sbalneav> Is there another dhcp server on the network?
[04:32] <sbalneav> Like a dsl router or something?
[04:36] <multik> nope, laptop (edubuntu server) and thin client are directly connected thru crossover oatch
[04:36] <multik> patch*
[04:36] <multik> thin client receives IP from DHCP just fine but TFTP session is not opening.
[04:42] <sbalneav> what does netstat -an | grep :69 report?
[04:46] <multik> udp   0   0.0.0.0:69   0.0.0.0:*
[04:53] <sbalneav> seems ok
[04:54] <ogra> do you see tftp mentioned in /var/log/daemon.log ?
[04:54] <ogra> (during trying to boot the client)
[04:54] <ogra> i wonder if the server even gets a request
[04:59] <gerbra> Hello, i have a problem with edubuntu and software raid. It's a combination of raid1 and raid10 over 4 scsi disks. If i simulate an fault of one disk (remove it) than the server doesn't reboot. I stuck in the busybox/initramfs. There i could reassemble the raid but i think the system should reboot also with 3 of 4 devices. Anybody here with tips? I could surely give more informations.
[05:01] <sbalneav> Probably something that needs to be done in the initramfs.  edubuntu uses the stock ubuntu kernels, maybe filing a bug against the ubuntu kernel package would be the way to go.
[05:03] <gerbra> sbalneav: Hm, not sure if this is a bug, maybe a fault of mine... I've put a script with mdadm -A -s in mkinitramfs script sections an generated several new initrds. The effect is that raid comes up with 3/4 but the further mount of / an init doesn't work.
[05:06] <sbalneav> brb, meeting
[06:27] <moquist__> ogra: it's looking good for Edubuntu here, BTW. We'll be meeting sometime in the next week to make the decision.
[06:28] <ogra> YAY
[06:29] <ogra> so it will never work
[06:29] <ogra> since the disk is just gone after resume :(
[06:33] <RichEd> ogra: you mean it loses the entire internal flash disk ?
[06:33] <ogra> indeed
[06:33] <RichEd> hi moquist
[06:33] <RichEd> damn :P
[06:34] <ogra> its like running it from usb stick and unplugging this while being in suspend
[06:34] <RichEd> ( damn the flashdisk not the moquist )
[06:34] <ogra> if you resume it actually looks like it would work since you still have half the system in ram ... but it dies with the first disk acces
[06:34] <RichEd> ogra: so to fix that ... is it a s/w kernel issue, or a hardware/firmware problem ?
[06:35] <ogra> there is no fix
[06:35] <ogra> but i was thinking justin said it worked on other distros
[06:35] <ogra> which is a bit strange, since it cant work by design
[06:36] <RichEd> well how do we either (1) stop whatever removes the usb controller ... or (2) let the resume reload the usb controllers
[06:36] <ogra> wont work
[06:36] <RichEd> are either of those an option ?
[06:36] <ogra> no
[06:36] <ogra> the kernel has a builtin routine that does it
[06:37] <ogra> there is no way to stop it from unloading them
[06:37] <ogra> which means, even if they would return in right order etc you have filesystem corruption
[06:38] <ogra> the only way to solve it would be to use an IDE based flash device internally
[06:38] <ogra> that wouldnt get unloaded
[06:38] <RichEd> ah ... but that was on our list, and was an intel manufacturing action ... not up to us ?
[06:39] <ogra> i will try to play with some options and scripts but its extremely unlikely that anyone can work around that
[06:40] <RichEd> i don't suppose that the suspend could write some necessary code routine into RAM to be executed when resume kicks in ?
[06:40] <moquist> RichEd: hehe; hi :)
[06:40] <RichEd> :)
[06:40] <moquist> RichEd: Just got back from our FOSSED conference yesterday; I pointed lots of area people to UES. :-)
[06:41] <moquist> ...and some local devs to UDS.
[06:41] <RichEd> excellent ... we need some new community developers
[06:42] <RichEd> moquist: is there any where that we can find a summary of what you do at you school(s) with *buntu
[06:42] <moquist> RichEd: not at this point.
[06:42] <moquist> RichEd: it's not a done deal that we're going edubuntu, and there still some political sensitivity
[06:42] <RichEd> we're speaking to the big OEM boys who are looking for references before they get their diddums little feet wet in the poolie woolie
[06:43] <moquist> sure
[06:43] <moquist> RichEd: what's your timetable on needing the references?
[06:43] <ogra> RichEd, if i remove the floor underneath you if you are in the 2nd floor, how long can you stand ?
[06:43] <ogra> there is no solution to it
[06:43] <RichEd> moquist: we've got a few already, but a slow trickle would help build momentum
[06:44] <moquist> RichEd: right. I'm just thinking that if things go as I hope, we could probably become a confident public reference within the next 3-4 months.
[06:44] <RichEd> ogra: I never thought I would hear you "say" those words ...  but point taken
[06:44] <RichEd> moquist: that's great :)
[06:45] <ogra> RichEd, indeed i'll poke around and have one or the other sleepless night about it ... but ... ... ...
[06:49] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i got an email
[06:49] <jsgotangco> will forward it
[06:50] <RichEd> jsgotangco: thanks ... also regarding all the EC and Edubuntu applicants ... we're going to hold a special Community and Contributor focus meeting on Wed 1 Aug
[06:50] <RichEd> I'll publicise it ahead of the time ... but just so you know.
[06:50] <jsgotangco> ahh cool i'll be in bangkok that time
[06:51] <RichEd> moquist: /msg window re the laser mantha
[06:51] <jsgotangco> what time?
[06:51] <RichEd> its the 20:00 utc so it will be thursday morning for you
[06:51] <jsgotangco> hmm probably in a plane
[06:51] <jsgotangco> flying from hanoi
[06:52] <jsgotangco> heh
[06:52] <jsgotangco> this month and next is crazy for me
[06:52] <RichEd> will you hook up with stuart bishop for a visit ? and I think we also have a new guy Jeroen from bangkok as well .... Jeroen used to be with SIPA
[06:53] <RichEd> later chasps
[06:55] <jsgotangco> RichEd: i think Jeroen will be goingn to TOSSFEST
[06:55] <moquist> RichEd, ogra: if things go as I hope (and we have Edubuntu all over), I'll bet you guys could get a tour of our site around UES/UDS time. it's just over an hour drive north from Boston. If you're interested. *shrug*
[06:55] <jsgotangco> speaking rather
[06:55] <RichEd> TOSSFEST <- ohh not such a good name to associate around geeks ... sounds quite messy ;)
[06:55] <jsgotangco> well
[06:56] <jsgotangco> thailand open source software festival something
[06:56] <jsgotangco> hehe
[06:56] <jsgotangco> i think its aug. 1 -2
[06:56] <jsgotangco> but i'll be doing IOSN work
[06:56] <jsgotangco> so ill probably go there anyways
[06:56] <jsgotangco> (send the email btw)
[07:05] <gerbra> For my problem where edubuntu doesn't reboot correctly when one disk got absent in an sw raid array (17:00) i have made a bug report #125561. Maybe anyone has an idea? BTW: if updating/making a initrd.img with update-initramfs, are the scripts/hooks from /usr/share/initramfs-tools automatically build in this new initrd image?
[07:07] <Petaris> Hi all
[07:08] <Petaris> If I use the 64-bit server version will the 32-bit clients be able to run 32-bit firefox and plugins?
[07:08] <Petaris> I mean automatically
[07:09] <Petaris> or do I have to do that manually like I had to on the last release?
[07:09] <Petaris> Also is network authentication fully implemented now?
[07:27] <ogra> RichEd, i have an idea for the prob, i'll sleep about it and try it out tomorrow ;)
[07:28] <ogra> bye
[08:33] <moquist> ogra: cool! have a great time.
[10:16] <Petaris> How can I build the i386 chroot for my thin clients, I installed the x86_64 version of the server
[10:16] <Petaris> I looked in the docs but can't find it there
[10:33] <Petaris> ok, I figured out it uses ltsp-build-client --arch i386 but that gives me an error saying that it can't get the release file
[10:33] <Petaris> Any ideas?
[10:34] <Petaris> nevermind, it was a proxy issue
[10:55] <Petaris> Does anyone know if the network auth system is done and in 7.0.4?