=== bluekuja_ [n=andrea@host106-170.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #edubuntu === cliebow [n=cliebow@pool-72-65-101-90.ptldme.east.verizon.net] has joined #edubuntu === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.105.7] has joined #edubuntu === merriam_ [n=merriam@84-12-20-189.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === JohanSalim [i=G3b0ys@ip84-223.cbn.net.id] has joined #edubuntu === boyam [i=boyam@166-82-81-31.quickclick.ctc.net] has joined #edubuntu === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@S0106000b6a5631f9.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:21] Evening all === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === `6og [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [05:19] hey sbalneav [05:19] Hello Burgundavia [05:20] Anything new and exciting? [05:20] got accepted to college [05:20] Ah! Going back to school? [05:20] Super [05:20] Whatcha taking? [05:20] geography [05:21] Cool [05:21] Got a future job in mind? [05:21] urban planning [05:21] Great. [05:22] When you get done, we could use you here in Winnipeg. [05:22] :) [05:22] indeed [05:22] your downtown is dead [05:22] because you built all those bloody big box stores [05:23] Sustainable Communities are some kind of crazy moon language to our people [05:23] yeah [05:23] "Geez, wonder why no one comes downtown anymore?!?!" [05:23] I remember walking around and seeing how the downtown was filled with pawn shops, dead stores and garbage and feeling very sad [05:24] "Can't have anything to do with the stupid boutique stores and 1.50 an hour street parking we implemented!" [05:24] lack of transit and lack of people living downtown doesn't help [05:24] I remember seeing Summerside, PEI, a town of around 10k is blighted by the same thing [05:24] The biggest urban planning disaster of the last 60 years has been the "Suburb" [05:25] Back when people used to live near where they worked, you had a vibrant community. [05:26] a lot of that has to do with planning for a car, not humansx [05:26] Now, you just cram up stupid office buildings, and wonder why there's so much crime in the downtown at night, WHEN EVERYONE LEAVES. [05:26] duh [05:26] right. [05:26] I gave up my parking pass at work last week [05:26] I'm back to biking/public transit. [05:26] driving around downtown Tulsa at 6pm was funny. It was like being in a zombie movie. large office buildings, everything closed and nobody around [05:27] Sure. [05:27] Well, good for you. [05:28] We're going to need to get back to the old ways. [05:28] I rather suspect I will not go wanting for a job when I graduate [05:29] The coming eco-disaster/energy crunch/whatever is going to force us to go back to living where we work, and setting up pedestrian and cycle friendly communities. [05:29] on another topic, have you seen that ebox has been packaged [05:29] ? [05:30] No I haven't [05:30] just hit gutsy [05:30] what's ebox? [05:30] http://ebox-platform.com/ [05:31] aptitude search ebox isn't returning me anything, and I just updated 15 minutes ago :() [05:31] maybe ftbfs [05:32] I've seen that acronym before. Excuse my ignorance, but what's it mean? [05:32] fails to build from source [05:32] ahhh [05:32] ok, so it crapped out the build servers. [05:32] got it. [05:33] I published my little hobby last week. [05:33] https://launchpad.net/k8055fs [05:34] what is that? [05:34] When I get a moment, hopefully I can go to motu school, package it, and become motu-riffic :) [05:34] It's a fuse filesystem that allows you to control a Velleman K8055 USB interface board. [05:34] i thought you were mentioning twitterrific hehe [05:34] hey jsgotangco [05:34] hi [05:35] what is the usb interface board? [05:35] It;s a little bit of kit that's got 2 AD converters, 2 DA converters, 5 digi inputs, 8 digi outputs and 2 16 bit counters. [05:36] Basically, monitor and control the real world with your computer. [05:36] temperature measurements, instrumentation, anything you want. [05:36] ah, cool [05:38] My long term project (10 years now) is to build an Aurora Borealis detector, that detects auroral events, measures deflections in the earths magnetif field, and is hooked up to a digi camera with a fisheye lens that automatically takes pictures! [05:38] I've got the sensor head, the interface board, and I've written the control software. [05:39] I LOVE the aurora. [05:39] is that the curtain lights thing? [05:41] Yep [05:41] Ever seen them? [05:42] I've watched them ever since I was a kid. [05:42] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora_(astronomy) [05:42] It is quite possibly the most beautiful and specacular thing you'll ever see on this planet. [05:43] I've been out on a moonless night in the country, and they were so bright, I could read a book. [05:48] no i haven't seen them [05:49] must be a spectacle for a first timer [05:49] the first time i experienced summer solstice i was like WTF [05:50] is that solstice or equinox [05:50] no idea [05:50] hehe === jsgotangco likes living along the equator [05:50] Take every fireworks display you've ever seen in your life, add them together, and multiply them by 10^8 [05:51] One time, when I was WAY up north, and there was a really big event, I actually heard them. [05:51] Which is very rare. [05:52] When you live in a northern cold place, theres not many advantages, but the Aurora's one of 'em. [05:52] hear an aurora? === pitux [n=pitux@153-10-112.adsl.terra.cl] has joined #edubuntu [05:52] yeah. [05:52] hear electricity right [05:52] They sorta crackle a bit [05:53] They have to come down fairly low to hear them. But there was a huge solar flare that day, so it was a big event. [05:54] About 10 years ago or so. [05:54] Well, I keep hearing about jokosher [05:55] can those things hurt if they are low? [05:55] so, I'm installing it. [05:55] No. [05:55] "Low" == 50 km or so. [05:55] ahh [05:55] "normal" = 80 km [05:55] but you "feel" them? [05:55] or you just see them [05:55] They can knock out communication equipment, though. [05:55] ahh [05:55] No, you don't feel them. [05:56] Tell you what. Here's a standing invitation for you. [05:57] If you ever get the urge to come visit me in Winnipeg, you can stay at my house, and I'll drive you up north for a few days. [05:57] We'll check 'em out. [05:57] i'll be in NA this autumn [05:57] NA [05:57] ? [05:57] so i can probably try get a canadian visa [05:57] north america [05:58] Ah, cool. [05:58] will be staying in chicago and la for a while [05:58] Oh, for the Boston UDS [05:58] well that too [05:58] Cool. [05:58] but ive scheduled trips [05:58] Well, drop by. [05:59] that's in manitoba right? [05:59] Yep! [05:59] See if you can make it. [06:00] i'll hold you to that! [06:00] No problem. [06:00] brb lunch [06:00] So long as you like cats, you can sleep on the basement couch :) [06:00] oh i have 4 cats here [06:00] :D === ubunterror [n=squidwar@202.73.176.250] has joined #edubuntu === ananke [n=ananke@inferno.bioinformatics.vt.edu] has joined #edubuntu === ubunterror [n=squidwar@202.73.176.250] has left #edubuntu [] === Ty_in_Dallas [n=tm@71.11.246.226] has joined #edubuntu === jbrefort [n=jean@pot44-1-88-172-65-1.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #edubuntu === mdiehl [n=mdiehl@209-181-59-150.eugn.qwest.net] has joined #edubuntu === multik [n=multik@adsl173.uninet.ee] has joined #edubuntu === Bambi_BOFH [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === |Baby| [n=miry@195.37.62.208] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #edubuntu === cynics [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #edubuntu === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #edubuntu [09:49] RichEd: ping? [09:49] hi LaserJock [09:50] I've responded to Justin ... and we will confirm shipping details today. === jsgotangco yawns === ogra too [10:08] the weather here is soo inviting to take a nap [10:13] same here [10:13] london summer === |Baby| is now known as Baby [10:13] (sun shining in drops) [10:14] distro sprint? [10:14] yup === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu [10:20] hi ogra & jsgotangco [10:20] hey [10:20] how's it going [10:20] moin [10:21] jsgotangco good and bad ... you know how it goes sometimes [10:21] ah well [10:21] i am getting sick of planes lately [10:21] heh === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp165-109.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #edubuntu === meduxa [n=agustin@213.231.80.16.static.user.ono.com] has joined #edubuntu === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #edubuntu === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp165-109.adsl.forthnet.gr] has left #edubuntu [] === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-168-184.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu === RichEd-1 is now known as RichEd === vistakiller [n=spiros@ppp165-109.adsl.forthnet.gr] has joined #edubuntu === Bambi_BOFH is now known as Kamping_Kaiser === t94xr|trying2be_ is now known as t94xr === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === [1] multik [n=multik@adsl173.uninet.ee] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ [n=sc0tt@cpc1-stok5-0-0-cust150.bagu.cable.ntl.com] has joined #edubuntu === sc0tt_ is now known as sc0tt === [1] multik is now known as multik [01:57] ogra: you in here? [01:58] yup [01:58] partially at least, i'm very busy at the distro sprint [01:58] so i'm rather in and out, depending if i'm in meetings or on my lappie ... [01:58] well, I reinstalled my edubuntu server (laptop) and now I can get thin client to acquire IP from edubuntu. [01:58] wonderful :) [01:59] however now I get TFTP file not found error [01:59] was that gutsy or feisty ? [01:59] feisty [01:59] 7.04 [01:59] did you change anything in /etc/ltsp/dhcpd.conf ? [01:59] umm, no :( [01:59] hmm [02:00] sorry mate, I'm still learning. [02:00] can you check that /var/lib/tftpboot/ltsp/i386 contains the kernel and stuff [02:01] yes pxelinux.0 file is there. [02:01] (it should all work out of the box, dont blame yourself ;) its my fault if its broken ) [02:01] vmlinuz etc as well ? [02:01] correct, everyyhings there. [02:01] ok [02:02] grep tftp /etc/inetd.conf [02:02] what does that return ? [02:05] tftp dgram udp wait root /usr/sbin/in.tftpd /usr/sbin/in.tftpd -s /var/lib/tftpboot === a5benwillis [n=benwilli@72.159.132.4] has joined #edubuntu [02:05] ok [02:05] ps ax|grep inetd [02:06] ^^^ will show you if inetd is running [02:06] does it run ? [02:08] yes [02:08] is there any chance that you have a second dhcp server running in your netork ? [02:09] that usually breaks .... [02:12] nope, no other devices: lab setup is as follows: HP switch, edubuntu laptop and thin client. Switch is not connected anywhere. Just 2 PCs going to it. === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu [02:23] hmm, i wonder if the switch somehow blocks tftp [02:36] hmm. Well I can always try to connect thin client and edubuntu thru crossover patch [02:39] try that [02:39] to make sure its not a network fault [02:39] ok, I'll try it now. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #edubuntu === pips1 [n=philipp@195.216.81.229] has joined #edubuntu === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #edubuntu [03:06] ok ogra, I went to shop, bought crossover patch. Now it looks more promising, yet thin client complans that TFTP cannot open connection (PXE-E38) [03:06] and PXE-E11: ARP timeout === sbalneav [n=sbalneav@mail.legalaid.mb.ca] has joined #edubuntu [03:42] Morning all === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #edubuntu [04:12] ogra: any ideas? :) [04:16] multik: What's your issue? === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [04:24] I'm trying to connect with thin client to Edubuntu server. Thin client complans that TFTP cannot open connection (PXE-E38) === kgoetz_ [n=kgoetz@ppp100-144.static.internode.on.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:28] sbalneav: any ideas? [04:29] Where's your dhcpd server running? On the edubuntu server? [04:30] yes [04:30] default install no changes made. [04:30] IP of edubuntu server is 192.168.0.1 as per manual. It's actually laptop with 1 NIC. But that shouldn't make a difference. [04:32] Is there another dhcp server on the network? === kgoetz [n=kgoetz@gnewsense/friend/kgoetz] has joined #edubuntu [04:32] Like a dsl router or something? [04:36] nope, laptop (edubuntu server) and thin client are directly connected thru crossover oatch [04:36] patch* [04:36] thin client receives IP from DHCP just fine but TFTP session is not opening. [04:42] what does netstat -an | grep :69 report? [04:46] udp 0 0.0.0.0:69 0.0.0.0:* === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #edubuntu === gerbra [n=gerhard@p54A97B98.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #edubuntu [04:53] seems ok [04:54] do you see tftp mentioned in /var/log/daemon.log ? [04:54] (during trying to boot the client) [04:54] i wonder if the server even gets a request [04:59] Hello, i have a problem with edubuntu and software raid. It's a combination of raid1 and raid10 over 4 scsi disks. If i simulate an fault of one disk (remove it) than the server doesn't reboot. I stuck in the busybox/initramfs. There i could reassemble the raid but i think the system should reboot also with 3 of 4 devices. Anybody here with tips? I could surely give more informations. [05:01] Probably something that needs to be done in the initramfs. edubuntu uses the stock ubuntu kernels, maybe filing a bug against the ubuntu kernel package would be the way to go. [05:03] sbalneav: Hm, not sure if this is a bug, maybe a fault of mine... I've put a script with mdadm -A -s in mkinitramfs script sections an generated several new initrds. The effect is that raid comes up with 3/4 but the further mount of / an init doesn't work. [05:06] brb, meeting === garklein_13 [n=sk@h163.227.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has joined #edubuntu === garklein_13 [n=sk@h163.227.40.162.ip.alltel.net] has left #edubuntu [] === ogra [i=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #edubuntu === Castigador [n=Alfredo@88.Red-80-38-9.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #edubuntu === Yagisan [n=Yagisan@doomsday/developer/Yagisan] has joined #edubuntu [06:27] ogra: it's looking good for Edubuntu here, BTW. We'll be meeting sometime in the next week to make the decision. === moquist__ keeps his fingers crossed === moquist__ is now known as moquist [06:28] YAY === ogra just got suspend/resume working on the classmate ... just to find out that the kernel forcefully removes all usb contoller modules during suspend ... [06:29] so it will never work [06:29] since the disk is just gone after resume :( [06:33] ogra: you mean it loses the entire internal flash disk ? [06:33] indeed [06:33] hi moquist [06:33] damn :P [06:34] its like running it from usb stick and unplugging this while being in suspend [06:34] ( damn the flashdisk not the moquist ) [06:34] if you resume it actually looks like it would work since you still have half the system in ram ... but it dies with the first disk acces [06:34] ogra: so to fix that ... is it a s/w kernel issue, or a hardware/firmware problem ? [06:35] there is no fix [06:35] but i was thinking justin said it worked on other distros [06:35] which is a bit strange, since it cant work by design [06:36] well how do we either (1) stop whatever removes the usb controller ... or (2) let the resume reload the usb controllers [06:36] wont work [06:36] are either of those an option ? [06:36] no [06:36] the kernel has a builtin routine that does it [06:37] there is no way to stop it from unloading them [06:37] which means, even if they would return in right order etc you have filesystem corruption [06:38] the only way to solve it would be to use an IDE based flash device internally [06:38] that wouldnt get unloaded [06:38] ah ... but that was on our list, and was an intel manufacturing action ... not up to us ? [06:39] i will try to play with some options and scripts but its extremely unlikely that anyone can work around that === RichEd wonders if Justin would give us contact details to find out how the other o/s's supposedly get it right [06:40] i don't suppose that the suspend could write some necessary code routine into RAM to be executed when resume kicks in ? [06:40] RichEd: hehe; hi :) [06:40] :) [06:40] RichEd: Just got back from our FOSSED conference yesterday; I pointed lots of area people to UES. :-) [06:41] ...and some local devs to UDS. [06:41] excellent ... we need some new community developers [06:42] moquist: is there any where that we can find a summary of what you do at you school(s) with *buntu === moquist is camping out in here today watching for laserjock, who has not yet responded to the first-attempt package moquist sent... ;) [06:42] RichEd: not at this point. [06:42] RichEd: it's not a done deal that we're going edubuntu, and there still some political sensitivity [06:42] we're speaking to the big OEM boys who are looking for references before they get their diddums little feet wet in the poolie woolie [06:43] sure [06:43] RichEd: what's your timetable on needing the references? [06:43] RichEd, if i remove the floor underneath you if you are in the 2nd floor, how long can you stand ? [06:43] there is no solution to it [06:43] moquist: we've got a few already, but a slow trickle would help build momentum [06:44] RichEd: right. I'm just thinking that if things go as I hope, we could probably become a confident public reference within the next 3-4 months. [06:44] ogra: I never thought I would hear you "say" those words ... but point taken [06:44] moquist: that's great :) [06:45] RichEd, indeed i'll poke around and have one or the other sleepless night about it ... but ... ... ... === ogra goes for a smoke [06:49] RichEd: i got an email [06:49] will forward it [06:50] jsgotangco: thanks ... also regarding all the EC and Edubuntu applicants ... we're going to hold a special Community and Contributor focus meeting on Wed 1 Aug [06:50] I'll publicise it ahead of the time ... but just so you know. [06:50] ahh cool i'll be in bangkok that time [06:51] moquist: /msg window re the laser mantha [06:51] what time? [06:51] its the 20:00 utc so it will be thursday morning for you [06:51] hmm probably in a plane [06:51] flying from hanoi === RichEd remembers bangkok as alive and humid and sweaty ... but fondly [06:52] heh [06:52] this month and next is crazy for me [06:52] will you hook up with stuart bishop for a visit ? and I think we also have a new guy Jeroen from bangkok as well .... Jeroen used to be with SIPA === RichEd heads off for supper [06:53] later chasps === aze [n=aze@79.52.78.208.dyn-ip.domaccess.com] has joined #edubuntu [06:55] RichEd: i think Jeroen will be goingn to TOSSFEST [06:55] RichEd, ogra: if things go as I hope (and we have Edubuntu all over), I'll bet you guys could get a tour of our site around UES/UDS time. it's just over an hour drive north from Boston. If you're interested. *shrug* [06:55] speaking rather [06:55] TOSSFEST <- ohh not such a good name to associate around geeks ... sounds quite messy ;) [06:55] well [06:56] thailand open source software festival something [06:56] hehe [06:56] i think its aug. 1 -2 [06:56] but i'll be doing IOSN work [06:56] so ill probably go there anyways [06:56] (send the email btw) [07:05] For my problem where edubuntu doesn't reboot correctly when one disk got absent in an sw raid array (17:00) i have made a bug report #125561. Maybe anyone has an idea? BTW: if updating/making a initrd.img with update-initramfs, are the scripts/hooks from /usr/share/initramfs-tools automatically build in this new initrd image? === Petaris [n=Petaris@216.56.37.162] has joined #edubuntu [07:07] Hi all === pauljw [n=paul@pool120.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu [07:08] If I use the 64-bit server version will the 32-bit clients be able to run 32-bit firefox and plugins? [07:08] I mean automatically [07:09] or do I have to do that manually like I had to on the last release? [07:09] Also is network authentication fully implemented now? === Hilmar [n=Hilmar@4003ds1-abv.0.fullrate.dk] has joined #edubuntu [07:27] RichEd, i have an idea for the prob, i'll sleep about it and try it out tomorrow ;) === ogra goes to see spamalot (monty python) now [07:28] bye === pauljw_vm [n=paul@pool120.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [08:33] ogra: cool! have a great time. === davmor2 [n=davmor2@82-45-48-19.cable.ubr04.wolv.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #edubuntu === cbx33 [n=pete@ubuntu/member/cbx33] has joined #edubuntu [10:16] How can I build the i386 chroot for my thin clients, I installed the x86_64 version of the server [10:16] I looked in the docs but can't find it there [10:33] ok, I figured out it uses ltsp-build-client --arch i386 but that gives me an error saying that it can't get the release file [10:33] Any ideas? [10:34] nevermind, it was a proxy issue [10:55] Does anyone know if the network auth system is done and in 7.0.4? === RichEd-1 [n=richard@dsl-245-168-184.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #edubuntu