apacheloggerRiddell: still here?12:16
NightroseRiddell: he is skyping with me and a little tired - so if you don't understand what he want's ask me ;-)12:16
Riddellapachelogger: yes12:20
apacheloggerslows things down a bit :(12:21
apacheloggermay it be12:21
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jjessehow are you DaSkreech01:34
DaSkreechBouncy :)01:34
jjesseyeah? why bouncy?01:35
DaSkreechGran Tourismo trailers :)01:35
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DaSkreechYeah My friend has all of them on DVD01:37
jjessehow many seasons are there?01:37
DaSkreech4 I think01:37
DaSkreechMight be 501:37
DaSkreechNot counting numerous American revival/remakes01:38
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nixternaljjesse: should I start working on something that will fix bug 125325?01:52
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125325 in kubuntu-meta "Live CD should provide information for Windows/Mac users after boot" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12532501:52
jjessenixternal: i guess it might be nice to have a possible proof of concept to present to the devs?01:52
jjessei think it is a nice idea01:52
nixternalwe should having something, there is supposed to be an ubiquity slideshow for 2 releases now and I haven't seen anything01:52
jjessei think it would be easier to say "yes do that" if we have something to show off01:53
jjesseknow what i mean?01:53
nixternalI had something..but nobody ever commented so I gave up on it01:55
jjessei'll comment this time :)01:55
nixternalok, I will plan on that then01:56
DaSkreechAnyone knows how to do Service menus?02:00
nixternalDaSkreech: I just use the ones that are in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/*02:01
DaSkreechI want to add a new template02:02
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nixternalimbrandon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153062  .... any thoughts on that thing?02:43
nixternalRiddell: any update on the Ubiquity Slideshow? I am going to recreate the Release Notes so we can get them in the LiveCDs...they were removed because the slideshow was supposed to be rocking02:44
jjesseso is kubuntu-desktop still not able to be installed in gutsy?02:57
jjessenever mind looks like it can be03:09
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ryanakcanixternal: ubiquity slideshow, something like the fedora & mandriva installer with distro advertisement, links to wiki, join development, etc images?03:36
jjesseryanakca: that was the orginial thought03:36
ryanakcajjesse: hmm.. what's ubiquity written in, C++ or python?03:42
jjesseryanakca: i'm not quite sure, if i recall there was a blueprint for it or something like that03:42
ryanakcajjesse: Depends: python-central (>= 0.5.8), ubiquity, python-qt403:45
jjesselike i said i think there was a blueprint someplace in regards to the sldieshow03:47
ryanakcajjesse: hmm.. would the implementation have to change depending on the frontend?03:52
jjesseryanakca: i have no clue to be honest03:52
ryanakcajjesse: ok, thanks03:53
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ScottKHobbsee: Any thoughts about doing a dapper-backports (vice kubuntu.org) backport of KDE 3.5.5?  I need 3.5.2 or better for the current klamav and I need the current klamav to backport clamav 0.9x.05:38
HobbseeScottK: i'd prefer 3.5.7 backported05:39
Hobbseenot sure if it *does* backport - debhelper dependancy needs to be loosened, for a start.05:39
Hobbseeas in, there will be a heck of a lot of stuff to backport - newer libs, etc, i guess, apart from kde*05:40
ScottKI think a newer debhelper would be a bridge to far.05:41
Hobbseeno, as in, you can loosen the dep05:43
Hobbseedont remember what all the changes are, though05:43
ScottKOK.  I'll work on that.  Thanks.05:47
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imbrandonnixternal, looks ok for the money, personaly i would spend a bit more and get a pico-itx vs the mini-itx but still a good deal07:18
Hobbseehi imbrandon07:21
imbrandonheya Hobbsee07:28
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Tonio_bonjour :)09:23
Hobbseehi Tonio_09:26
Hobbseehiya _marseillais09:26
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Riddellnixternal: not sure, I'll ask when evan gets in10:04
Hobbseemorning Riddell10:04
Riddellmorning it is10:04
Riddelland much haar around this city too, good thing I'm above it all10:04
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_StefanS_Tonio_: hey the fade works for kdesudo :D10:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: have it running right now!10:09
_StefanS_and hi all..10:09
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Tonio__StefanS_: super :)10:18
Tonio__StefanS_: can you send me the code so that I can commit to bzr ?10:18
Tonio_by email please, I may not have the time right now ;)10:18
_StefanS_Tonio_: just gotta sync with the latest kdesudo in bzr. mine is kinda old10:18
Tonio__StefanS_: sure10:19
Riddellor _StefanS_ could be fancy and branch and push to launchpad then tonio could merge from that10:20
_StefanS_yes if Stefan could understand how it worked.10:20
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_StefanS_Tonio_: is there a place where kdesudo could keep its settings?10:49
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Riddellkconfig surely?10:53
Riddellooh, compiz-kde uploaded10:54
_StefanS_Riddell: yep it was sorta the config file I meant :)11:00
Hobbseeooo :)11:00
_StefanS_Riddell: and how does that branching business work? It tells me to use sftp to create the branch instead of providing that url manually11:00
_StefanS_Riddell: argh.. I think I get it now11:02
Tonio__StefanS_: nope11:03
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Tonio__StefanS_: kdesudo is supposed to deal with sudo, nothing else11:04
_StefanS_Riddell: I cant get it work..11:04
_StefanS_Riddell: stupid launchpad11:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: well is there a general configuration file, where I could put those settings? (fade on/off) and so on11:04
Tonio__StefanS_: nope :)11:05
Tonio__StefanS_: feel free to add this if you want :)11:05
_StefanS_Tonio_: uhm ok11:05
_StefanS_Tonio_: do you know how to branch in launchpad?11:05
Tonio__StefanS_: why branching ?11:06
Tonio__StefanS_: wiki.ubuntu.com/bzr ;)11:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: Riddell said it would be smart.11:06
Tonio__StefanS_: to branch on kdesudo ?11:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes11:06
Tonio__StefanS_: we already have 2 branches, that's enought I guess11:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: lets just forget it11:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: I can just us bzr to update the code in launchpad I guess (like cvs commit or something)11:07
Tonio__StefanS_: just ask for membership there, I'll give you upload permissions11:07
Tonio_and then http://launchpad.net/kdesudo11:08
Tonio_here is the project page11:08
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_StefanS_Tonio_: I'm already member11:08
Tonio__StefanS_: just do a bzr checkout sftp://<your-login>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk11:08
Tonio__StefanS_: then apply the changes and bzr commit -m "commit message"11:09
Tonio__StefanS_: ho true, I already added tou11:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: Riddell: that patch for kdesudo and the fade involved me adding a new kdialog method in kdelibs/kdeui/kdialogbase. I haven't seen any problems beside some very generic fix in a call from the addressbook11:12
_StefanS_Without that kdeui patch, the fade is impossible.11:13
RiddellI assume that's binary compatible?11:13
_StefanS_Riddell: I just added to the api, so all the old kdialog methods are still there11:14
Tonio__StefanS_: I don't see any problem with it11:15
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't break with sudo :)11:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: shouldn't be any problems. The only thing i saw was that if you called kdialog too generic, it didn't know which one of the methods it should use, and thus gives you a compile errors11:16
Tonio__StefanS_: oki :)11:16
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Tonio__StefanS_: I'll build a test package once you have published11:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: I will update bzr in a moment11:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: and you'll get a diff for kdelibs aswell.11:17
_StefanS_in mail :D11:17
Tonio_mhb: should I wait for your commit or may I build it now since you haven't finished the nonewdcop thing ?11:17
Tonio__StefanS_: you rock :)11:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: thanks :)11:17
Tonio__StefanS_: let's just hope we can use this in gutsy to replace kdesu :)11:18
Tonio__StefanS_: the nonewdcop thing is very important, as kdesudo currently doesn't work in kcontrol because of this specific thing11:19
Tonio__StefanS_: mhb is working on it but his time is limited at the moment11:19
Tonio_I just hope that's not too complicated to do :)11:19
_StefanS_hmm ok, maybe I could look at that later on11:19
_StefanS_Tonio_: the config file stuff is not in the current one I'm uploading now, but it would be good to just test what I currently have11:20
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Tonio__StefanS_: sure :)11:23
_StefanS_Tonio_: its committed to bzr now11:23
_StefanS_Tonio_: i will diff kdelibs now11:24
Tonio__StefanS_: no need of this, I have a script to build from bzr :)11:27
_StefanS_Tonio_: eh?11:29
_StefanS_Tonio_: you need the patches to kdelibs for it to build :)11:29
Tonio__StefanS_: ah ?11:31
Tonio__StefanS_: didn't knew you had to patch kdelibs for this :)11:31
Tonio__StefanS_: right, I'll upload kdelibs then, and build kdesudo toonight :)11:32
HobbseeTonio_: can you give me a diff, and i'll add it to my upload?11:33
Hobbseei need to put in a couple of bits too11:33
Tonio_Hobbsee: I commited a little update to kdelibs on bzr this morning, so please to an update before :)11:34
Tonio__StefanS_: can you forward the mail to Hobbsee ?11:34
_StefanS_Tonio_: the diff?11:36
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Tonio__StefanS_: for kdelibs11:36
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok I will..11:36
Riddell_StefanS_: adding to the api can be binary incompatible if it's a virtual method or something11:41
_StefanS_Riddell: uhm.. its just an interface to an already established QDialog call (which has been around for long time.) Its just not inherited into the kdeui by default11:43
_StefanS_(support for WType_Popup on kdialog)11:44
mhbTonio_: do whatever you wish11:44
Tonio_mhb: well, just to know if it'll be done today or if I may wait, that's all :)11:47
Tonio_mhb: btw are you going on vacation ?11:48
Riddell_StefanS_: but it's not virtual?11:50
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Riddell"You cannot change the order of virtual functions in the class declaration."  I wonder if that includes new members in the middle of the class11:53
Riddellhttp://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++  it's all a bit mad these rules11:53
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_StefanS_Riddell: I just checked those techbase docs, and it does not involve the simple addition I made12:10
_StefanS_Riddell: (its not a virtual)12:10
_StefanS_Tonio_, Hobbsee: sent you the kdelibs patch by mail12:19
Riddellkdepim 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu5 produces uninstallable binaries: * kmail (amd64 i386)12:20
Riddellanyone experienced that?12:20
_StefanS_Riddell: nope12:21
_StefanS_Riddell: can those kde4* be installed when the build process is finished on the buildserver?12:21
_StefanS_Riddell: (I'm on gutsy)12:21
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Riddell_StefanS_: yes12:23
_StefanS_cant wait.12:24
Riddellfixes kdepimlibs uploaded, hopefully kde4base will just work, then you can start trying them12:25
_StefanS_perfect, good job :)12:31
_StefanS_cant wait to have the new konsole.. the scrolling is just amazing12:31
Riddellnixternal: unsure on slideshow, it's not a priority so probably won't happen12:39
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Riddellkwwii: ubiquity slideshow12:55
kwwiiahhh, right01:08
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nixternalman, that t-shirt from spreadshirt on kdedevelopers.org is gorgeous...only wish they had it here in the us :(02:08
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_StefanS_Hobbsee: did the patch make any sense ?02:17
Hobbsee_StefanS_: havent looked, was at dinner02:21
_StefanS_ah ok02:21
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hungerRiddell: Do you happen to know where I can send the slides of my akademy presentation to have them uploaded to the akademy site?02:36
Riddellhunger: physos02:37
Riddellrainer@kde .org I think02:37
hungerRiddell: THanks!02:37
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mhbTonio_: today or tomorrow, I am (sort of) on vacation. I'll be online tomorrow afternoon.02:45
mhbTonio_: I'm working on it, but it started segfaulting after  I tried adding mkstemp()... probably forgot something (a -lib or such)02:46
Tonio_mhb: don't think I want to guve you presure ;)02:46
Tonio_mhb: I just can't wait to see it working in kcontrol :)02:46
Tonio_mhb: but I should definately stop to ping you everyday, that must be boring :)02:47
mhbTonio_: nah, it's cool02:47
mhbTonio_: I'm in a public library now, I'll try to figure this out while I'm here, if I won't, then you have to wait till tomorrow at least02:48
mhbTonio_: would you care to perhaps look at the code?02:53
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mhbRiddell: good afternoon02:56
mhbRiddell: two questions:02:56
mhbRiddell: 1. I've made some comments on the website design from kwwii. Should I send it to the same people that talked about it the last time or are there any new people interested in the website?02:58
Riddellmhb: probably just send to kubuntu-devel02:58
mhbRiddell: okay02:58
kwwiiwhat kind of comments?02:58
kwwiiif it is purely art stuff you can send it to only a few people02:58
mhbkwwii: yes, artly stuff02:58
kwwiiif it is more organizational -devel would be better02:58
kwwiiwell, unless someone else wants to work on the artwork, I will end up fixing things I guess02:59
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mhbRiddell: 2. can't we use the widget that displays files in Dolphin to display the preferences in systemsettings4 ?03:00
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Riddellmhb: yes, but it's non trivial to convert to that03:04
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Tonio_mhb: I'm affraid I may not be able to understand that code :)03:04
Tonio_mhb: I'm quite limited on that point compared to you :-)03:05
Riddellmhb: it needs changing to qt model-view foo and it needs a whole new model to be written03:05
nixternalmornin' ladies and gents03:05
nixternalnow that I know how spreadshirt works, it is time to make me a few t-shirts :)03:05
Hobbseeevening nixternal03:07
nixternalevening to you as well :)03:07
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mhbkwwii: I sent you the comments03:11
kwwiimhb: cool, thnx03:12
kwwiiI'll answer a few of the questions in an email in one second...good points so far03:13
mhbkwwii: I'll try to play with it some more today, inkscape is a bit unstable for me here in gutsy03:14
kwwiihehe, I know that feeling ;-)03:14
mhbkwwii: that's wonderful, thanks03:14
kwwiimhb: mail sent03:22
Riddellmhb: tried out gdebi installing ubuntu-desktop and it crashed when I ran out of space on my hard disk03:24
Riddelladept does the same thing03:25
mhbRiddell: did you try the gnome one as well?03:25
Riddellmhb: nope03:25
RiddellI suspect it'll do the same03:25
RiddellI get lots of apport "package foo failed to install" warnings too03:26
RiddellI've no idea if it's possible for gdebi to work out the size its packages will take03:28
Riddellcertainly not if you have say /usr on a different partition03:28
Riddellwho's Mario Danic?03:29
HobbseeRiddell: pygi03:29
Riddelloh yes, so it is :)03:31
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glatzorhi Riddell, could you point me to your kde-guidance packaging repository? I would like to help to prepare a new release.04:06
Riddellglatzor: apt-get source kde-guidance04:08
glatzorRiddell: you don't maintain the debian directory in a public source code repository?04:12
Riddellglatzor: nope04:13
Riddellglatzor: although debian do04:13
Riddellbut I think we differ from them now04:13
Riddellit's fabo_ who does that04:13
Riddellso ping him too with any changes04:13
glatzorRiddell: fine. thanks04:20
glatzorRiddell: which time zone does fabo live in?04:21
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Riddellglatzor: something european04:22
Riddellraphink: http://ichthux.com go boom04:22
raphinkhi Riddell04:23
raphinkI saw that some time ago but I didn't have the time to see about it04:23
raphinkseems like a provider issue with the DB04:23
raphinkI should get my own server some time04:23
raphinkI don't trust 1&1 anymore04:23
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RiddellI've never heard anything good about 1&104:24
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manchicken_Okay, so I'm having trouble installing these openoffice.org updates.  openoffice.org-common is complaining about a missing theme index.04:27
Hobbseemanchicken_: just wait...next upload fixes it04:27
Hobbseemanchicken_: and if you file a bug,  i'll shoot you, like the other 34 dupe filers, when i last checked.04:28
manchicken_Just wanted to make sure it wasn't me:)04:28
manchicken_Hobbsee: You know I always complain before filing a bug report :)04:28
manchicken_And there's no need to post a report for something that is already about to be fixed.04:28
Hobbseemanchicken_: there's even a bug there, with the exact same headline as all the others, and the body says "this is a dupe of bug x, y, z, a, b, and c"04:29
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manchickenHobbsee: Whic makes me wonder why they posted it in the first place :)05:48
Hobbseemanchicken: exactly05:48
manchickenSorry, just spent the last hour talking to city council members.05:48
Hobbseemanchicken: multiple people have done it.  there are now 43 dupes.05:48
Hobbseeand this si supposed to be decent pepole running gutsy...05:49
Hobbseeyeah.  impressive05:49
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manchickenHobbsee: You should send a message out to devel.05:52
Hobbseemanchicken: i dont think they're the ones who are doing it05:53
Hobbseeit's clueless people05:53
manchicken84 spam messages...05:54
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nixternalhey, I just filed an open office bug for the issue, anyone want to confirm it?06:31
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Hobbseenixternal: your karma - go to the update-manager bug reports, and grab all the failed upgrades, and mark them as dupes of 125400. thankyou.06:33
nixternalhurry up and fix it, I want to get rid of the "adept notifier"06:33
nixternalhaha, I should go to that bug and say "I cannot confirm this" :)06:34
Hobbseeit failed to build.06:34
nixternalI woke up after 3.5 hours of sleep at the most..so I am sure I will FTBS today in class06:35
nixternalFTSW actually...failed to stay awake06:35
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Hobbseei stayed awake during work.  you'll be all right06:35
Hobbseeand i got about that much sleep myself06:35
nixternalmy stupid dog was going nuts running around the bed attacking me everytime I moved06:36
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DaSkreech_StefanS_: Did You get the Bzr thing done?07:26
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_StefanS_DaSkreech: nope.. just uploaded directly to kdesudo bzr tree07:40
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DaSkreechGrats on Daddydom07:54
DaSkreech.. umm07:54
DaSkreech again07:54
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_StefanS_DaSkreech: thanks :)08:37
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manchickenkpilot sucks these days.09:27
manchickenRabid dolphin has consistently taken way too much effort to sync...09:27
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manchickenDid the weird dependency issue get sorted out with oo.o yet?11:40
ScottKIt turned out to be debhelpers fault.11:40
manchickenSo what do we do?  I'm still stuck with the broken dependencies..11:41
ScottKThey uploaded OOO to rebuild it earlier today, but I doubt it's done yet.11:41
manchickenI got some new versions earlier.11:41
ScottKIf you have libgtk2.0-bin, removing that might help.11:41
ScottKNot sure what it'll take whith it.11:42
manchickenLet's see...11:42
manchickenPretty much all gnome stuff.11:42
manchickenevince-gtk evolution evolution-plugins gnome-games gnome-icon-theme gtkhtml3.14 gtkhtml3.8 gxine librsvg2-common11:43
ScottKYeah.  You shouldn't be sorry to see that go.11:43
ScottKThe reason it wasn't caught by the Ubuntu OOO maintainer is he uses KDE ;-)11:44
manchickenI have all three installed.11:44
manchickenI actually use some gnome programs.11:44
manchickengnumeric is an incredibly useful program.11:45
manchickenI used to use evolution when I worked for a company that ran on an exchange server.11:45
manchickenNot too sad to see that go.11:45
manchickenThat seems to have done it sure enough.11:45
manchickenI can't install kde4 stuff either, because doing so would remove libungif411:55
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