[12:16] <apachelogger> Riddell: still here?
[12:16] <Nightrose> Riddell: he is skyping with me and a little tired - so if you don't understand what he want's ask me ;-)
[12:20] <Riddell> apachelogger: yes
[12:21] <apachelogger> d'oh
[12:21] <apachelogger> slows things down a bit :(
[12:21] <apachelogger> may it be
[01:34] <jjesse> evening
[01:34] <DaSkreech> Hey
[01:34] <jjesse> how are you DaSkreech
[01:34] <DaSkreech> Bouncy :)
[01:35] <jjesse> yeah? why bouncy?
[01:35] <DaSkreech> Gran Tourismo trailers :)
[01:35] <jjesse> ah
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Yeah My friend has all of them on DVD
[01:37] <jjesse> how many seasons are there?
[01:37] <DaSkreech> 4 I think
[01:37] <DaSkreech> Might be 5
[01:38] <DaSkreech> Not counting numerous American revival/remakes
[01:52] <nixternal> jjesse: should I start working on something that will fix bug 125325?
[01:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125325 in kubuntu-meta "Live CD should provide information for Windows/Mac users after boot" [Wishlist,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125325
[01:52] <jjesse> nixternal: i guess it might be nice to have a possible proof of concept to present to the devs?
[01:52] <jjesse> i think it is a nice idea
[01:52] <nixternal> we should having something, there is supposed to be an ubiquity slideshow for 2 releases now and I haven't seen anything
[01:53] <jjesse> i think it would be easier to say "yes do that" if we have something to show off
[01:53] <jjesse> know what i mean?
[01:55] <nixternal> ya
[01:55] <nixternal> I had something..but nobody ever commented so I gave up on it
[01:55] <jjesse> i'll comment this time :)
[01:56] <nixternal> haha
[01:56] <nixternal> ok, I will plan on that then
[02:00] <DaSkreech> Anyone knows how to do Service menus?
[02:01] <nixternal> DaSkreech: I just use the ones that are in ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/*
[02:02] <DaSkreech> I want to add a new template
[02:43] <nixternal> imbrandon: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813153062  .... any thoughts on that thing?
[02:44] <nixternal> Riddell: any update on the Ubiquity Slideshow? I am going to recreate the Release Notes so we can get them in the LiveCDs...they were removed because the slideshow was supposed to be rocking
[02:57] <jjesse> so is kubuntu-desktop still not able to be installed in gutsy?
[03:09] <jjesse> never mind looks like it can be
[03:36] <ryanakca> nixternal: ubiquity slideshow, something like the fedora & mandriva installer with distro advertisement, links to wiki, join development, etc images?
[03:36] <jjesse> ryanakca: that was the orginial thought
[03:42] <ryanakca> jjesse: hmm.. what's ubiquity written in, C++ or python?
[03:42] <jjesse> ryanakca: i'm not quite sure, if i recall there was a blueprint for it or something like that
[03:45] <ryanakca> jjesse: Depends: python-central (>= 0.5.8), ubiquity, python-qt4
[03:46] <jjesse> ah
[03:47] <jjesse> like i said i think there was a blueprint someplace in regards to the sldieshow
[03:47] <jjesse> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/tutorial-during-installation
[03:52] <ryanakca> jjesse: hmm.. would the implementation have to change depending on the frontend?
[03:52] <jjesse> ryanakca: i have no clue to be honest
[03:53] <ryanakca> jjesse: ok, thanks
[04:34] <Hobbsee> greetings
[04:34] <jjesse> hello
[04:35] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:38] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Any thoughts about doing a dapper-backports (vice kubuntu.org) backport of KDE 3.5.5?  I need 3.5.2 or better for the current klamav and I need the current klamav to backport clamav 0.9x.
[05:39] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'd prefer 3.5.7 backported
[05:39] <Hobbsee> not sure if it *does* backport - debhelper dependancy needs to be loosened, for a start.
[05:40] <Hobbsee> as in, there will be a heck of a lot of stuff to backport - newer libs, etc, i guess, apart from kde*
[05:41] <ScottK> I think a newer debhelper would be a bridge to far.
[05:43] <Hobbsee> hm?
[05:43] <Hobbsee> no, as in, you can loosen the dep
[05:43] <Hobbsee> dont remember what all the changes are, though
[05:45] <ScottK> Ah.
[05:47] <ScottK> OK.  I'll work on that.  Thanks.
[07:18] <imbrandon> nixternal, looks ok for the money, personaly i would spend a bit more and get a pico-itx vs the mini-itx but still a good deal
[07:21] <Hobbsee> hi imbrandon
[07:28] <imbrandon> heya Hobbsee
[09:23] <Tonio_> bonjour :)
[09:25] <_marseillais> bonjour
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[09:26] <Hobbsee> hiya _marseillais
[10:04] <Riddell> nixternal: not sure, I'll ask when evan gets in
[10:04] <Hobbsee> morning Riddell
[10:04] <Riddell> morning it is
[10:04] <Riddell> and much haar around this city too, good thing I'm above it all
[10:07] <Hobbsee> oh?
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey the fade works for kdesudo :D
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: have it running right now!
[10:09] <_StefanS_> and hi all..
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you send me the code so that I can commit to bzr ?
[10:18] <Tonio_> by email please, I may not have the time right now ;)
[10:18] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just gotta sync with the latest kdesudo in bzr. mine is kinda old
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure
[10:20] <Riddell> or _StefanS_ could be fancy and branch and push to launchpad then tonio could merge from that
[10:20] <_StefanS_> yes if Stefan could understand how it worked.
[10:20] <_StefanS_> :D
[10:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is there a place where kdesudo could keep its settings?
[10:53] <Riddell> kconfig surely?
[10:54] <Riddell> ooh, compiz-kde uploaded
[11:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep it was sorta the config file I meant :)
[11:00] <Hobbsee> ooo :)
[11:00] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and how does that branching business work? It tells me to use sftp to create the branch instead of providing that url manually
[11:02] <_StefanS_> Riddell: argh.. I think I get it now
[11:03] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kdesudo is supposed to deal with sudo, nothing else
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I cant get it work..
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: stupid launchpad
[11:04] <_StefanS_> :)
[11:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well is there a general configuration file, where I could put those settings? (fade on/off) and so on
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope :)
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: feel free to add this if you want :)
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: do you know how to branch in launchpad?
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: why branching ?
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: wiki.ubuntu.com/bzr ;)
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Riddell said it would be smart.
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to branch on kdesudo ?
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we already have 2 branches, that's enought I guess
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: lets just forget it
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I can just us bzr to update the code in launchpad I guess (like cvs commit or something)
[11:07] <Tonio_> yep
[11:07] <Tonio_> https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo
[11:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just ask for membership there, I'll give you upload permissions
[11:08] <Tonio_> and then http://launchpad.net/kdesudo
[11:08] <Tonio_> here is the project page
[11:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm already member
[11:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: just do a bzr checkout sftp://<your-login>@bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: then apply the changes and bzr commit -m "commit message"
[11:09] <_StefanS_> okay..
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho true, I already added tou
[11:09] <Tonio_> you
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: Riddell: that patch for kdesudo and the fade involved me adding a new kdialog method in kdelibs/kdeui/kdialogbase. I haven't seen any problems beside some very generic fix in a call from the addressbook
[11:13] <_StefanS_> Without that kdeui patch, the fade is impossible.
[11:13] <Riddell> I assume that's binary compatible?
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I just added to the api, so all the old kdialog methods are still there
[11:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I don't see any problem with it
[11:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm fine with it as long as it doesn't break with sudo :)
[11:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: shouldn't be any problems. The only thing i saw was that if you called kdialog too generic, it didn't know which one of the methods it should use, and thus gives you a compile errors
[11:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki :)
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll build a test package once you have published
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I will update bzr in a moment
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and you'll get a diff for kdelibs aswell.
[11:17] <_StefanS_> in mail :D
[11:17] <Tonio_> mhb: should I wait for your commit or may I build it now since you haven't finished the nonewdcop thing ?
[11:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you rock :)
[11:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thanks :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: let's just hope we can use this in gutsy to replace kdesu :)
[11:18] <_StefanS_> yeah
[11:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the nonewdcop thing is very important, as kdesudo currently doesn't work in kcontrol because of this specific thing
[11:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: mhb is working on it but his time is limited at the moment
[11:19] <Tonio_> I just hope that's not too complicated to do :)
[11:19] <_StefanS_> hmm ok, maybe I could look at that later on
[11:20] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the config file stuff is not in the current one I'm uploading now, but it would be good to just test what I currently have
[11:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure :)
[11:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its committed to bzr now
[11:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i will diff kdelibs now
[11:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no need of this, I have a script to build from bzr :)
[11:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: eh?
[11:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you need the patches to kdelibs for it to build :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah ?
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: didn't knew you had to patch kdelibs for this :)
[11:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: right, I'll upload kdelibs then, and build kdesudo toonight :)
[11:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: can you give me a diff, and i'll add it to my upload?
[11:33] <Hobbsee> i need to put in a couple of bits too
[11:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I commited a little update to kdelibs on bzr this morning, so please to an update before :)
[11:34] <Hobbsee> okay
[11:34] <Hobbsee> cool
[11:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you forward the mail to Hobbsee ?
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the diff?
[11:36] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: for kdelibs
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok I will..
[11:41] <Riddell> _StefanS_: adding to the api can be binary incompatible if it's a virtual method or something
[11:43] <_StefanS_> Riddell: uhm.. its just an interface to an already established QDialog call (which has been around for long time.) Its just not inherited into the kdeui by default
[11:44] <_StefanS_> (support for WType_Popup on kdialog)
[11:44] <mhb> Tonio_: do whatever you wish
[11:47] <Tonio_> mhb: well, just to know if it'll be done today or if I may wait, that's all :)
[11:48] <Tonio_> mhb: btw are you going on vacation ?
[11:50] <Riddell> _StefanS_: but it's not virtual?
[11:53] <Riddell> "You cannot change the order of virtual functions in the class declaration."  I wonder if that includes new members in the middle of the class
[11:53] <Riddell> http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Binary_Compatibility_Issues_With_C++  it's all a bit mad these rules
[12:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I just checked those techbase docs, and it does not involve the simple addition I made
[12:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (its not a virtual)
[12:19] <_StefanS_> Tonio_, Hobbsee: sent you the kdelibs patch by mail
[12:20] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:20] <Riddell> kdepim 4:3.5.7-1ubuntu5 produces uninstallable binaries: * kmail (amd64 i386)
[12:20] <Riddell> anyone experienced that?
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: can those kde4* be installed when the build process is finished on the buildserver?
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (I'm on gutsy)
[12:23] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes
[12:24] <_StefanS_> goody.
[12:24] <_StefanS_> cant wait.
[12:25] <Riddell> fixes kdepimlibs uploaded, hopefully kde4base will just work, then you can start trying them
[12:31] <_StefanS_> perfect, good job :)
[12:31] <_StefanS_> cant wait to have the new konsole.. the scrolling is just amazing
[12:39] <Riddell> nixternal: unsure on slideshow, it's not a priority so probably won't happen
[12:44] <kwwii> slideshow?
[12:55] <Riddell> kwwii: ubiquity slideshow
[01:08] <kwwii> ahhh, right
[02:08] <nixternal> man, that t-shirt from spreadshirt on kdedevelopers.org is gorgeous...only wish they had it here in the us :(
[02:17] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: did the patch make any sense ?
[02:21] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: havent looked, was at dinner
[02:21] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[02:36] <hunger> Riddell: Do you happen to know where I can send the slides of my akademy presentation to have them uploaded to the akademy site?
[02:37] <Riddell> hunger: physos
[02:37] <Riddell> rainer@kde .org I think
[02:37] <hunger> Riddell: THanks!
[02:45] <mhb> Tonio_: today or tomorrow, I am (sort of) on vacation. I'll be online tomorrow afternoon.
[02:46] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm working on it, but it started segfaulting after  I tried adding mkstemp()... probably forgot something (a -lib or such)
[02:46] <Tonio_> mhb: don't think I want to guve you presure ;)
[02:46] <Tonio_> mhb: I just can't wait to see it working in kcontrol :)
[02:47] <Tonio_> mhb: but I should definately stop to ping you everyday, that must be boring :)
[02:47] <mhb> Tonio_: nah, it's cool
[02:48] <mhb> Tonio_: I'm in a public library now, I'll try to figure this out while I'm here, if I won't, then you have to wait till tomorrow at least
[02:53] <mhb> Tonio_: would you care to perhaps look at the code?
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: good afternoon
[02:56] <mhb> Riddell: two questions:
[02:58] <mhb> Riddell: 1. I've made some comments on the website design from kwwii. Should I send it to the same people that talked about it the last time or are there any new people interested in the website?
[02:58] <Riddell> mhb: probably just send to kubuntu-devel
[02:58] <mhb> Riddell: okay
[02:58] <kwwii> what kind of comments?
[02:58] <kwwii> if it is purely art stuff you can send it to only a few people
[02:58] <mhb> kwwii: yes, artly stuff
[02:58] <kwwii> if it is more organizational -devel would be better
[02:59] <mhb> mostly
[02:59] <kwwii> well, unless someone else wants to work on the artwork, I will end up fixing things I guess
[03:00] <mhb> Riddell: 2. can't we use the widget that displays files in Dolphin to display the preferences in systemsettings4 ?
[03:04] <Riddell> mhb: yes, but it's non trivial to convert to that
[03:04] <Tonio_> mhb: I'm affraid I may not be able to understand that code :)
[03:05] <Tonio_> mhb: I'm quite limited on that point compared to you :-)
[03:05] <Riddell> mhb: it needs changing to qt model-view foo and it needs a whole new model to be written
[03:05] <nixternal> mornin' ladies and gents
[03:05] <mhb> hi
[03:05] <nixternal> now that I know how spreadshirt works, it is time to make me a few t-shirts :)
[03:07] <Hobbsee> evening nixternal
[03:07] <nixternal> evening to you as well :)
[03:11] <mhb> kwwii: I sent you the comments
[03:12] <kwwii> mhb: cool, thnx
[03:13] <kwwii> I'll answer a few of the questions in an email in one second...good points so far
[03:14] <mhb> kwwii: I'll try to play with it some more today, inkscape is a bit unstable for me here in gutsy
[03:14] <kwwii> hehe, I know that feeling ;-)
[03:14] <mhb> kwwii: that's wonderful, thanks
[03:22] <kwwii> mhb: mail sent
[03:24] <Riddell> mhb: tried out gdebi installing ubuntu-desktop and it crashed when I ran out of space on my hard disk
[03:25] <Riddell> adept does the same thing
[03:25] <mhb> Riddell: did you try the gnome one as well?
[03:25] <Riddell> mhb: nope
[03:25] <Riddell> I suspect it'll do the same
[03:26] <Riddell> I get lots of apport "package foo failed to install" warnings too
[03:26] <mhb> hmm
[03:28] <Riddell> I've no idea if it's possible for gdebi to work out the size its packages will take
[03:28] <Riddell> certainly not if you have say /usr on a different partition
[03:29] <Riddell> who's Mario Danic?
[03:29] <Hobbsee> Riddell: pygi
[03:31] <Riddell> oh yes, so it is :)
[03:31] <Hobbsee> :P
[04:06] <glatzor> hi Riddell, could you point me to your kde-guidance packaging repository? I would like to help to prepare a new release.
[04:08] <Riddell> glatzor: apt-get source kde-guidance
[04:12] <glatzor> Riddell: you don't maintain the debian directory in a public source code repository?
[04:13] <Riddell> glatzor: nope
[04:13] <Riddell> glatzor: although debian do
[04:13] <Riddell> but I think we differ from them now
[04:13] <Riddell> it's fabo_ who does that
[04:13] <Riddell> so ping him too with any changes
[04:20] <glatzor> Riddell: fine. thanks
[04:21] <glatzor> Riddell: which time zone does fabo live in?
[04:22] <Riddell> glatzor: something european
[04:22] <Riddell> raphink: http://ichthux.com go boom
[04:23] <raphink> hi Riddell
[04:23] <raphink> I saw that some time ago but I didn't have the time to see about it
[04:23] <raphink> seems like a provider issue with the DB
[04:23] <raphink> I should get my own server some time
[04:23] <raphink> ;)
[04:23] <raphink> I don't trust 1&1 anymore
[04:24] <Riddell> I've never heard anything good about 1&1
[04:27] <manchicken_> Okay, so I'm having trouble installing these openoffice.org updates.  openoffice.org-common is complaining about a missing theme index.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: just wait...next upload fixes it
[04:28] <manchicken_> Righto.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: and if you file a bug,  i'll shoot you, like the other 34 dupe filers, when i last checked.
[04:28] <manchicken_> Just wanted to make sure it wasn't me:)
[04:28] <manchicken_> Hobbsee: You know I always complain before filing a bug report :)
[04:28] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:28] <manchicken_> And there's no need to post a report for something that is already about to be fixed.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> manchicken_: there's even a bug there, with the exact same headline as all the others, and the body says "this is a dupe of bug x, y, z, a, b, and c"
[05:48] <manchicken> Hobbsee: Whic makes me wonder why they posted it in the first place :)
[05:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: exactly
[05:48] <manchicken> Sorry, just spent the last hour talking to city council members.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> manchicken: multiple people have done it.  there are now 43 dupes.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[05:49] <Hobbsee> and this si supposed to be decent pepole running gutsy...
[05:49] <manchicken> Goodness.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> yeah.  impressive
[05:52] <manchicken> Hobbsee: You should send a message out to devel.
[05:53] <Hobbsee> manchicken: i dont think they're the ones who are doing it
[05:53] <Hobbsee> it's clueless people
[05:54] <manchicken> 84 spam messages...
[06:31] <nixternal> hey, I just filed an open office bug for the issue, anyone want to confirm it?
[06:33] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: your karma - go to the update-manager bug reports, and grab all the failed upgrades, and mark them as dupes of 125400. thankyou.
[06:33] <nixternal> hurry up and fix it, I want to get rid of the "adept notifier"
[06:34] <nixternal> haha, I should go to that bug and say "I cannot confirm this" :)
[06:34] <Hobbsee> it failed to build.
[06:35] <nixternal> I woke up after 3.5 hours of sleep at the most..so I am sure I will FTBS today in class
[06:35] <nixternal> FTSW actually...failed to stay awake
[06:35] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:35] <Hobbsee> hahaha
[06:35] <Hobbsee> i stayed awake during work.  you'll be all right
[06:35] <Hobbsee> and i got about that much sleep myself
[06:36] <nixternal> my stupid dog was going nuts running around the bed attacking me everytime I moved
[06:36] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:36] <Hobbsee> fun
[07:26] <DaSkreech> _StefanS_: Did You get the Bzr thing done?
[07:40] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: nope.. just uploaded directly to kdesudo bzr tree
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Ok
[07:54] <DaSkreech> Grats on Daddydom
[07:54] <DaSkreech> .. umm
[07:54] <DaSkreech>  again
[08:37] <_StefanS_> DaSkreech: thanks :)
[08:38] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:27] <manchicken> kpilot sucks these days.
[09:27] <manchicken> Rabid dolphin has consistently taken way too much effort to sync...
[11:40] <manchicken> Did the weird dependency issue get sorted out with oo.o yet?
[11:40] <ScottK> It turned out to be debhelpers fault.
[11:41] <manchicken> So what do we do?  I'm still stuck with the broken dependencies..
[11:41] <ScottK> They uploaded OOO to rebuild it earlier today, but I doubt it's done yet.
[11:41] <manchicken> righto.
[11:41] <manchicken> I got some new versions earlier.
[11:41] <ScottK> If you have libgtk2.0-bin, removing that might help.
[11:42] <ScottK> Not sure what it'll take whith it.
[11:42] <manchicken> Let's see...
[11:42] <manchicken> Pretty much all gnome stuff.
[11:43] <manchicken> evince-gtk evolution evolution-plugins gnome-games gnome-icon-theme gtkhtml3.14 gtkhtml3.8 gxine librsvg2-common
[11:43] <ScottK> Yeah.  You shouldn't be sorry to see that go.
[11:44] <ScottK> The reason it wasn't caught by the Ubuntu OOO maintainer is he uses KDE ;-)
[11:44] <manchicken> Nice.
[11:44] <manchicken> I have all three installed.
[11:44] <manchicken> I actually use some gnome programs.
[11:45] <manchicken> gnumeric is an incredibly useful program.
[11:45] <manchicken> I used to use evolution when I worked for a company that ran on an exchange server.
[11:45] <manchicken> Not too sad to see that go.
[11:45] <manchicken> That seems to have done it sure enough.
[11:55] <manchicken> I can't install kde4 stuff either, because doing so would remove libungif4