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corevetteis there a reason why when i do a sudo apt-get install fluxbox   that it doesn't show up of sessions i can choose from?12:33
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MrFeetiois the 7.10 kernel tickless?02:09
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Belboz99Hey all, I downloaded Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon the other night, and when I went to load it up as a live CD it couldn't get into the GUI, I resolved about 2 or 3 issues, but that still didn't solve the whole problem.02:49
Belboz99I'm on an AsRock 775_Dual-VSTA mobo with a C2D E6300 and a 6800GT AGP (Nvidia),  I was attempting to load the 64 bit version of Tribe 202:49
RAOFHow did it fail?02:50
Belboz99It would give an error upon attempted login through GDM02:50
Belboz99it said that xserver (IIRC) was attempting to use setuid or getuid and that was no longer allowed by Gnome02:51
Belboz99I also tried KDM, which just dropped to the console, no error output whatsoever02:51
Belboz99startx failed in the same way as KDM02:52
Belboz99blinked 3 times and then back to the command line :(02:52
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Belboz99Welcome back RAOF02:58
Belboz99did you get my response?02:58
RAOFNo, sorry.  Stupid keyboard shortcuts!02:58
Belboz99ah, lol02:59
Belboz99was it Shift+Backspace?02:59
Belboz99that kills X in some versions of Compiz and IIRC Beryl too02:59
Belboz99don't know why, I have a nasty habbit of hitting shift+backspace while backspacing uppercase characters :-P03:00
RAOFNo.  And that's an XGL bug :)03:00
Belboz99lol, I must have hit shift+backspace 20 times in a single hour one day, drove me absolutely nuts!03:00
Belboz99especially when you're coding or writing up a long-winded technical post with lots of bbcode :-P03:01
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Belboz99okay, anyway, it had an error upon attempted login03:02
Belboz99something about xserver or something trying to use setuid or getuid, which is no longer allowed by Gnome03:02
RAOFEh, not an error.  My perfectly working box says that :)03:02
Belboz99I then installed KDM, and that just dropped me back to the command line upon attempted login03:02
Belboz99no error output what-so-ever03:03
Belboz99startx was the same03:03
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Belboz99blinked three times and back to the old command line :(03:03
RAOFSo your X server is dying.  Probably a nv bug03:04
Belboz99I also tried nvidia-glx03:04
Belboz99but I happen to have an AsRock board, which uses AGP, which is highly unusual for a Core 2 Duo system03:05
RAOFWoah.  Yeah03:05
Belboz996800GT AGP03:05
RAOFHow did you try nvidia-glx?03:06
Belboz99sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx03:06
Belboz99it was this morning and I was in a rush and also sleepy, so things are a little foggy :-P03:06
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RAOFBelboz99: Yeah, that alone won't work03:08
Belboz99you need the kernel source as well, correct?03:08
Belboz99I've got to ask, why do package names keep on changing?03:08
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Belboz99A while back I must  have spent 6 hours trying to get nvidia-glx to load, only to find out the root of the problem was they changed the name of the kernel source, so I was trying to use an outdated package name.   If only apt would have informed me of the new package name :/03:09
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jammanso how is gutsy?03:10
Belboz99what is the proper method of installing nvidia-glx, and why isn't the kernel source listed as a dependency?03:10
RAOFBelboz99: No, you don't need the source.  But you *do* need to re-run the linux-restricted-modules init03:11
jammanis gutsy very nice?03:11
Belboz99RAOF: thanks, I've been wondering what that restricted modules thing was all about, I haven't seen any detailed explanations of it03:11
jammanRAOF, how nice??? :)03:12
jammanRAOF, what is your favorite feature?03:12
RAOFBelboz99: The restricted thing links the proprietary kernel modules at boot-time, so Ubuntu doesn't need to distribute the pre-built binaries03:12
RAOFjamman: Working compiz-fusion by default?03:13
Belboz99RAOF: I've got a Fiesty system sitting in the other room, it can't seem to find the nvidia kernel module, how do I fix that?03:13
AmaranthRAOF: Working compiz by default :)03:13
RAOFAmaranth: Oh, ok :)03:13
jammanRAOF, OOOHHHH!!! cool. probably wont work on a 500 mhz laptop with a neogeo with 16 meg of memory.03:14
jammanno compiz-fusion? and how is that?03:14
Amaranthcompiz-fusion is some addons for compiz03:14
Amaranthcompiz is the main thing03:14
jammanhavent got my "good"-ish one ubuntufied yet.03:14
RAOFIt's in universe, so not installed by default03:14
jammanany other good features?03:14
AmaranthRAOF: eh?03:14
DanaGThey should've called it something else, like compiz-with-a-cherry-on-top03:14
jammanlol. i like it.03:15
jammanwhat are the features in compiz-fusion?03:15
AmaranthRAOF: The tribe-2 CDs couldn't have been made if compiz-fusion stuff was in universe03:15
DanaGbecause the name "compiz-fusion" doesn't clearly imply "compiz, with extra stuff as the 'fusion'."03:15
RAOFI need to check apt-cache policy more often :)03:15
jammanany other good features?03:16
DanaGcube-reflect is cool.03:16
Amaranthjamman: wall, expo, animation03:16
RAOFNew gnome is always good03:16
Amaranththose are the main things we get from compiz-fusion03:16
jammanwall, expo, animation?03:16
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jammanRAOF, not if you use kde ;)03:16
jammanoh well, kde4 and amarok 2 will be out by the stable release.03:17
RAOFjamman: There's no accounting for taste :P03:17
DanaGExpo  "Apple's Spaces"03:17
jammanRAOF, i use gnome, just kde is more customizeable.03:17
jammanthe Expo sounds cool.03:17
Amaranthjamman: they won't be in gutsy03:17
DanaGer, Apple's "Spaces"  <== note the moved quote mark.03:17
RAOFjamman: But won't be used in Gutsy.  Although it will be parallel installable03:17
Amaranthjamman: kde4 will be gutsy+1 or later as the default03:17
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Amaranthoh, and only ubuntu is doing compiz by default, kubuntu has decided to wait for kwin_composite03:18
jammanRAOF, NO!!! amarok 2 wont! dang!03:18
jammanoh well, if its stable, source time!03:18
RAOFFair enough, too.03:19
Amaranthwell, they'll probably have a repo for it on kubuntu.org03:19
jammanAmaranth, that is a good point.03:19
jammankwin_composite, Amaranth ?03:19
Amaranthkwin in kde403:20
DanaGRepo where?03:20
DanaGWhat exactly is amarok2?03:20
jammanDanaG, a music player.03:21
jammanDanaG, i take that back. THE BEST MUSIC PLAYER!03:21
DanaGI use Amarok, but what's different about '2'?03:21
jammanDanaG, better?03:21
jammanDanaG, just like kde4 will be.03:21
jammanAmaranth, is that like compiz/beryl/compiz-fusion?03:21
Perdenteso when is kde4 coming out exactly?03:22
jammani thought right before gutsy.03:22
jammanlet me check...03:22
jammanactually, i just remembered. october.03:23
Perdentedo they generally upgrade around the same time?03:23
jammanPerdente, do what upgrade?03:23
jammankde and ubuntu?03:23
jammanno, unfortantally not.03:23
Perdenteoh ok03:23
Perdentewell I figured not since they move at different paces, but you never know03:24
jammanPerdente, yeah, if a new kde came out every six months...03:24
Perdentejamman, so I'm kinda new to the whole ubuntu scene how close would you say ubuntu and kubuntu are in terms of.... development..?03:26
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jammanPerdente, kde isn't as... user friendly. the sys apps arent as good, i.e. kubuntu uses adapt rather than synaptic, etc. I LOVE it tho. or do you mean how close are they to each other in closeness to done?03:27
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jammanyou suck perdente!03:27
Perdentedid I do something?03:28
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jammanPerdente, oh, you left.03:32
jammanit keeps saying you leave, and then you come back.03:32
Perdenteyeah, I switched from my shotty wireless to cable03:32
jammani had just barely got done explaining and you left!03:32
Perdentelol let me guess, I quit right as you... yeap03:32
jammanso are you using gutsy?03:33
PerdenteIf you repeat it I promise I won't leave this time.... ^_^03:33
Perdentelol no, not yet, I'm gonna set it up either tonight or tommorrow morning03:34
PerdenteI just repartitioned my whole harddrive in a way I like more so now I'll probably put gutsy gobuntu... etc on it just to see what's up with em03:35
jammangobuntu? which is what?03:35
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Perdentenot to put too much into one message but: Thanks to Colin and Evans efforts we now have daily images of a freedom-focused flavour of Ubuntu, Gobuntu. This is a call for developers who are interested in pushing the limits of content and code freedom - including firmware, content, and authoring infrastructure, to join the team and help identify places where we must separate out pieces...03:36
Perdente...that dont belong in Gobuntu from the standard Ubuntu builds.03:36
Perdenteerrr sorry wrong part03:36
Perdentea version of ubuntu that's all built on ....03:36
jammanPerdente, its all good.03:36
RAOFWasn't that called "gnewsense"?03:37
Perdentewell originally, but I guess not everyone liked that name03:37
Amaranthgnewsense is the fsf's 'fork' of ubuntu03:37
RAOFAnd is getting re-merged as official in Gutsy?03:38
jammanPerdente, anyways all built on...03:38
Amaranthit's a different group working on it, from what i can tell03:38
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Amaranthompaul seems to be the main guy working on gnewsense03:38
Perdenteall built on proprietary software components03:39
jammanPerdente, oh. and thats freedom how?03:39
RAOFNon-proprietary, you mean?03:39
Perdenteyou know I'm still figuring that out, but if Mark Shuttleworth says it I believe it03:40
PerdenteRAOF, yeah sorry thanks03:40
jammanlol. ok. isn't ubuntu all non-proprietary though?03:41
MugginsMubuntu contains several proprietary bits like wireless drivers, video card drivers, etc.03:41
RAOFjamman: nvidia-glx says otherwise :)03:41
MugginsMthey're doing not too bad a job of making it explicit to the users, but they're still there03:41
jammanRAOF, good point. good point.03:42
jammani forgot about that one.03:42
RAOFEven the ipw3945 uses non-free firmware03:42
jammandid you guys hear about ati making their drivers open source?03:42
MugginsMjamman: they *say* they will, not sure I believe them03:42
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jammanipw3945 is what?03:42
MugginsMI supect they'll do what nvidia did and release proprietary binary blobs with tiny open source wrappers03:43
jammanyeah, *SUPPOSEDLY* they are.03:43
RAOFjamman: The best-supported wifi card03:43
jammanRAOF, oh. my ralink was supported good. who makes it for future reference?03:43
jamman5 minutes til my win 2003 server install is done!03:43
RAOFjamman: You mean, the ipw3945?  Intel.03:43
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jammannot about the install though, about being excited.03:44
Perdenteso I went to download gobuntu and it is labeled as the gutsy alternate, so does that mean its essentially the same as gutsy other than the pro. software they're taking out?03:44
RAOFPerdente: Yes, that's the point03:45
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PerdenteRAOF, I knew that :-/ well then I guess I can mess with that and still be gellin03:45
jammanlol. nice!03:45
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jammanRAOF, so does it use the same repos as gutsy? (gobuntu this is)03:46
Perdentedo you guys mostly report back problems or fix some of the bugs yourselves? caus I really want to get my hands dirty and all I've done so far is make funny little apps with GTK+2 or gtkmm03:46
jammanPerdente, better than me.03:47
Perdentelol, you'd have to see it first :)03:47
jammanalthough, i did make a program that let me insert a line into a table into a database. helps me keep track of my eagle project time.03:47
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jammanyip. fun fun.03:49
PerdenteI don't know my intentions were good, but my follow through lacked a little (still in progress though)03:49
PerdenteI want to make a dreamweaver equivalent for Ubuntu since I heard that we were lacking one03:49
jammankool. thats how some of the best apps start.03:49
jammanPerdente, hopefully it'll make good code.03:50
Perdenteyeah, I figure if I tell everybody about it, someone will do it for me hahahah03:50
jammanlol. nice.03:50
Perdentenah, I do want to contribute to Ubuntu code somehow though03:51
Perdentejamman, I just don't want to mess it up either.. :(03:51
jammanPerdente, same here. im no programmer though.03:52
Perdentemeh, by choice or just haven't started yet?03:52
jammanPerdente, just havent started.03:53
jammani have made some basic programs on my ti-85 though.03:53
Perdentesweet I once had a game where the @ symbol had to make it to class on time03:53
jammanPerdente, thats awesome.03:53
jammani made a game where you would steer a ship and you got a score. it even saved the high score.03:54
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jammana fortune game, lots of fun stuff.03:54
Perdentelol I thought so because I played it in math and that class was hella boring03:54
Perdentelol, damn you, its like my ego is on a roller coaster or something03:55
Perdentewell do you want to be on my not yet made/ working on a dreamweaver equivalent program group then?03:56
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jammanPerdente, hell yeah!03:57
jammanone way to get started on my programming, and i already know html, so yip.03:57
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Perdentelol, alright, umm first though, since I'm probably going to copy and paste shit to get stuff set up, do you have a aim acocunt or something03:58
jammanPerdente, msn!03:59
Perdentethat works03:59
jammankool. jessie at confettiantiques.com03:59
RAOFReporting good bugs is extremely worthwhile.  Anything more than that (packaging/bug fixes) is welcome too!04:00
jammanRAOF, i might have to join the gutsy team man.04:01
jammanart, or something.04:01
Perdentehere mine is Yuo122986@hotmail.com04:02
RAOFGo for it.  You only need to start contributing to join the team.  There's nothing formal you have to do04:02
jammanRAOF, any website managing/creating that needs to be done?04:03
PerdenteRAOF, so just go into one of the irc rooms for the team and offer to help...?04:03
RAOFPerdente: Just start helping :).  How you help depends on what you want to do and are good at.  If you want to help fix bugs, write patches, etc, you probably want to check out #ubuntu-motu04:04
RAOFUbuntu-qa is always in need of bug triagers, too, wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad04:05
PerdenteRaof, thanks a bunch, I'll get right on it!  its sad when I'm so clueless I don't even know where to start, but anyway04:09
PerdenteRAOF, quick question if someone is on Kubuntu, what do they have to do to see GTK apps again.. not related to the going to ubuntu-motu, but gotta ask04:11
Perdenteis there a way.. although I guess that would defeat the purpose...04:13
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Belboz99Hey, I'm still having this problem with the nvidia kernel module:04:19
Belboz99dan@htpc:/lib/linux-restricted-modules$ sudo modprobe nvidia04:19
Belboz99FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia04:19
Belboz99crap, wrong channel I guess, this was supposed to be in #Ubuntu :-P04:20
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RAOFPerdente: GTK apps should just work, the same way that QT apps work in Gnome04:23
DanaGWhat is ubuntu-laptop-mode?04:24
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DanaGIt conflicts with laptop-mode-tools, and thus tries to remove ubuntu-desktop.04:24
RAOFInteresting.  It's probably new then04:24
DanaGFirst release July 5, it looks like.04:26
DanaGIf you aptitude changelog ubuntu-laptop-mode.04:26
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DanaGOh yeah, and I had to change something to fix my nvidia suspend -- it was broken even without 'nvidia' loaded.04:36
DanaGsave_vbe_state -- changed to false.04:36
DanaGSave video PCI state -- changed to true.04:36
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DanaGTry that option.04:37
DanaGIt works for me even under Fusion, I believe.04:37
DanaGPOST_VIDEO=false # was true04:38
DanaGin /etc/default/acpi-support04:38
ubotuLaunchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 04:39
DanaGA different issue.04:39
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DanaGThe report also describes a couple of other things -- my hotkeys don't pop up the OSD.04:43
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RAOFNot for me, either04:43
DanaGThe keys work, and acpid sees them -- but g-p-m does not see them.04:44
RAOFDanaG: Where do those changes go?04:45
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DanaGOh, the actual_brightness is what changes upon the hotkey.04:45
DanaGAnd if you tail -f /var/log/acpid04:46
DanaG(I don't remember the exact path)04:46
RAOFDanaG: No, I mean the SAVE_VBE_STATE et al04:46
DanaGOh, /etc/default/acpi-support04:46
DanaGOh, and I fixed the incessant nvidia blinking by setting nvagp=0.04:46
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DanaGHow does PCIe use agpgart anyway?04:48
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PerdenteRAOF, so is anyone else going to go to gobuntu by any chance or should I just buck it up and stick with regular gutsy?04:50
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DanaGWhat is gobuntu?04:50
Hobbseefree ubuntu04:50
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RAOFThe "no binary blobs" one04:50
DanaGShouldn't that be "freebuntu" or "gnubuntu"?04:51
Perdentelol dejavu04:51
DanaG"go" makes me think "mobile".04:51
Perdenteit makes so much sense it hurts...04:51
RAOFAnd, no.  I'm not going to be using it, because I *like* my hardware support04:51
Perdentelol good enough for me04:52
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DanaGGigabit ethernet on a notebook is cool.04:53
Perdentewhat is the name of the kubuntu that is in trial mode again?04:53
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Hobbseetrial mode?04:54
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Perdenteerr nm sorry I'm ignant04:56
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teratoma_what do i do about this:05:22
teratoma_The following packages are BROKEN: libcurl3-gnutls libcurl4-gnutls05:22
RAOFDanaG: In case you're wondering, thai acpi-support change doesn't fix compiz+resume here05:22
mrsno__read topic teratoma_05:23
PerdenteRAOF: so I got sidetracked, but I looked and I found one program that could be similar called Nvu Web Development05:29
RAOFPerdente: Yeah, that'd be one.  It's getting rewritten, IIRC05:43
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pimp31415so i can do dual xenons05:44
pimp31415or dual opterons05:44
SirFordhas anyone been able to get gutsy with KDE 4.0 ?05:45
pimp31415and the dual fx-something or others05:45
pimp31415but i cant do dual say qx6600's ?05:46
pimp31415or dual say amd 6000+'s?05:46
HobbseeSirFord: ...it's not released yet05:46
pimp31415hi Hobbsee ^_^05:47
pimp31415im in my gutsy05:47
Hobbseehi pimp3141505:47
pimp31415taht blackscreen stuff is back05:47
SirFordits not?  what the heck did I download?05:47
pimp31415 pimp31415 / starz05:47
SirFord4.0 alpha 2 is out05:47
pimp31415have you complied it?05:47
SirFordno but I was reading where I downloaded gutsy from that it was an option05:48
pimp31415lets look shall we05:48
Hobbseeit's in gutsy, there's no metapackage yet05:48
pimp31415*fires up synaptic*05:48
pimp31415anyway so quad core is better than dual duals it seems...05:49
pimp31415Hobbsee, im looking in synaptic and it does look a bit confusing05:49
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pimp31415for instance kde4libs == version 3.80.305:50
pimp31415so is that kde4 or 3.805:50
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pimp31415say i look at kde-core i see version 5:4705:50
SirFordwould it be easier you think with kubuntu gutsy05:50
pimp31415and ive no idea what that means05:50
pimp31415SirFord, ?05:51
pimp31415its the same repos :P05:51
SirFordwell I'll have to play with it I guess05:51
Hobbseepimp31415: no, thatd' be the alpha 2.  although why it's .3, i'm not sure05:51
pimp31415heh ok05:53
ubotuGutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+105:53
wfarrAnyone else loving the upgrade with openoffice right now?05:55
pimp31415wfarr, what did it upgrade?05:56
wfarrI'm being sarcastic05:56
wfarrdpkg threw me into dep-hell05:56
pimp31415you win a prize05:56
Hobbseewfarr: then fix it, or wait for a fix.05:56
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pimp31415but untill we figure out what - your awarded 3 internets and 65 googles05:56
wfarrI'll fix i ;)05:56
pimp31415um Hobbsee im going to do a dist upgrade and it wants to take out libcurl4-gnutils05:57
pimp31415what does that thing do anyway?05:57
wfarrpimp31415, that's expected05:57
wfarrI guess05:57
wfarrBut uh, I think the trouble might could be version mis-match of a particular package05:58
Hobbseepimp31415: that's the plan.  and apt-cache show libcurl*-gnutils will tell you05:58
Hobbseecurl is just stuffed05:58
pimp31415does that mean ssl will break? @_@05:59
pimp31415owell i'll hold off on most of the package upgrades - lets just tell it to do a few :P05:59
wfarrI found the problem06:02
wfarrThere's no theme index in /usr/share/icons/locolor06:02
pimp31415wfarr, so what do you do to fix that?06:05
wfarrI just made a quick index.theme06:05
pimp31415and how did you figure that out?06:05
wfarrand then dpkg --configure -a06:05
pimp31415just any old index.theme? say an empty one?06:06
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pimp31415good idea06:07
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DanaGOh, but one thing -- the new gnome appearance properties breaks on-the-fly font changing.06:32
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DanaGOdd: compiz is running at only 10 FPS.06:45
DanaGI usually get 60.06:45
DanaGOh, and a bunch of the settings descriptions are BLUE, for some reason.06:48
DanaGAnd Xorg is absolutely devouring my CPU.06:48
RAOFSounds fun!06:49
DanaGI wonder whether I should go back to the packaged NVIDIA driver.06:50
RAOFOh, your resume fix was predicated on that?06:51
DanaGNope.  It turned out that suspend was broken even if nvidia was not in use,06:52
DanaGand even if framebuffer was not in use.06:52
DanaGI just wanted to use the newer one for better laptop support.06:52
DanaGOddly, the crazy CPU usage just appeared today; perhaps I should try restarting X first.06:52
RAOFDo you know what the "better laptop support" actually *is*?06:53
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DanaGCoolbits, for one, though I don't use it.06:54
DanaGAlso, my display-switch hotkey works; it just doesn't change resolution.06:54
DanaGAnd it switches from (internal) to (external) but not to (both).06:54
BHSPitMonkey(both) would be a nice feature.06:56
DanaGYou can still manually set clone-mode with nvidia-settings.06:57
RAOFAlso.  "Coolbits"?06:57
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DanaGOr in my case, it'd be "Stop the damn driver from dropping the GPU to low speed, by increasing the lowest speed.:06:58
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DanaGokay, I went back to intel-agp07:17
DanaGand resume still works.  And now it's faster and doesn't BLINK.07:17
DanaGSo the guides that say to use NvAGP are not necessarily correct.07:18
RAOFCool.  How did you do that, again?07:18
DanaGHowever, my consoles are corrupt on resume; perhaps I have to disable vbe state saving.07:18
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RAOFMy display occasionally blinks07:18
DanaGPerhaps my GPU is still in low-power mode...07:19
DanaGOddly, it's not -- yet I'm only getting 30 FPS in compiz.07:20
DanaGWTF?  Something just beeped on lid close.07:20
DanaGOh, it's gnome-power-manager.  Lovely feature, eh?07:20
RAOFThat'd be g-p-m :)07:20
RAOFIt's annoying when pulseaudio has your PCM master locked at 100%07:21
varkaDanaG: you're sure direct remdering is enabled?07:29
DanaGYeah, it's enabled.07:31
DanaGLemme try googleearth -- if that's not slow, I'll have a hint that it might be a Compiz bug.07:31
DanaGI override pulseaudio to use dmix instead of hw:007:32
DanaGWell, it's not slow, but it sure is eating CPU when I move around.07:35
RAOFDanaG: Oooh, that seems reasonable.  How? :)07:37
DanaGOh, about pulseaudio?07:38
DanaGLemme look.07:38
varkaDanaG: what does "glxinfo | grep vendor" say?07:38
DanaGNVIDIA is working, but it's CPU-eat-ey.07:38
DanaGaah, with all the static loads, I have this:07:38
DanaGload-module module-alsa-sink device=plug:dmix:0 sink_name=alsa_output.pci_8086_27d8_alsa_playback_0 device=dmix07:38
DanaGI don't remember why I have device there twice -- perhaps there's no reason.07:39
DanaGand for sink name, I used the one the hal-detect module already gives it.07:39
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heatxsinkhello all, is there documentation somewhere about how to make a dpkg for apache modules?11:25
PriceChilddo you mean... how to package apache modules into .deb's ?11:28
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PriceChild!packaging | heatxsink11:50
ubotuheatxsink: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports11:50
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buzis ipw4965 supported in gutsy?12:00
PriceChildI "think" it should be...12:00
buzi'm wondering whether i should get ipw3945 or 496512:00
buzdraft n probably isnt very useful12:01
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crazy_busI installed ubuntu on a friends computer who's modem is unfortunalty a dial-up Conexant.  I read that gutsy will have certain winmodems supported out of the box and I was wondering if conexant ones were included as I had quite a lot of diffifuclty in making it work12:12
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PriceChildcrazy_bus, gutsy is not ready, stable etc.12:21
PriceChilddon't use it12:21
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crazy_busI know its not ready.  I was just curious12:23
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heatxsinkcrap, I can't remember if it was in this channel, but I asked for some documentation on building deb's and I didn't bookmark the links01:17
heatxsinkif someone could re-post that I'd really appreciate it thanks!01:17
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mrsno__heatxsink wiki.ubuntu.com > search for compiling01:19
mrsno__it will be in there01:19
heatxsinkthank you very muchg01:20
heatxsinksorry for repeating01:20
gnomefreak!packaging | heatxsink01:24
ubotuheatxsink: The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports01:24
heatxsinkgnomefreak:  thank you!01:24
heatxsinkI guess I could read but is there documentation in there on how I can get my own packages?01:25
heatxsinkerr host my own repository for packages01:25
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heatxsinkany idea how I would find the maintainer(s) for the apache2 modules?01:28
gnomefreakheatxsink: in the control file from source.01:28
gnomefreakheatxsink: apt-get source apache2 its in the debian dir01:29
gnomefreakheatxsink: or ask in #ubuntu-motu :)01:29
gnomefreakthats what they are there for01:29
heatxsinkgnomefreak:  thanks again, MOTU is kinda funny01:30
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AnRkeygnomefreak, did the updates today break anything?01:33
gnomefreakAnRkey: oo.o needs to be rebuilt on debhelper fix once that is in repos01:34
gnomefreakAnRkey: but other than that same issues as before01:34
AnRkeymy updates crashed completely.01:35
AnRkeyi think i am gonna reinstall and try to reproduce on this box01:35
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AnRkeyjust logged in again and it just hangs ofter login details are entered01:36
zorglu_q. i run feisty and it got a bug in firefox while playing flash video, which makes it coredump, any idea if this bug has been fixed in ubuntu+1 or how i could keep track of the issue ?01:37
gnomefreakzorglu_: do you have bug report?01:38
zorglu_gnomefreak: nope, i guess i should look for one :)01:38
gnomefreak zorglu_ look for one and give me link if im not here i will look when i get back01:39
zorglu_gnomefreak: ok, doing it01:39
zorglu_ok launchpad needs more cpu. this is slow:)01:40
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AnRkeyzorglu_, its a sign of a descent OS being worked on :D01:41
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ubotua free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org01:41
AnRkeygnomefreak,  sudo apt-get remove openoffice.org* did the trick, i am back in01:42
AnRkeygnomefreak, when will the OOo packages be fixed?01:42
gnomefreakAnRkey: yes it will until its fixed01:42
gnomefreakAnRkey: dont know yet sometime today since the original issue was fixed01:42
AnRkeyi have two boxes here one for stable and one for testing, but i try to keep to the testing to find bugs01:43
zorglu_gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libflash/+bug/107352 <- this is one bug report about it, but i guess there are many duplicates01:43
ubotuLaunchpad bug 107352 in libflash "firefox, galeon, konqueror, opera all crashing when viewing flash sites for 4+ videos" [Undecided,Confirmed] 01:43
gnomefreakzorglu_: give me a few ill look at it01:44
gnomefreakzorglu_: flash 7 or flash 9? please see apt-cache policy flashplugin-nonfree01:45
zorglu_gnomefreak: 901:45
zorglu_gnomefreak: Installed:<- aka the one from feisty by default01:46
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_4strOis kubuntu gutsy testable now ?01:46
_4strOand if yes, is there a way to migrate from fesity ?01:47
gnomefreakzorglu_: as brian said there isnt much we can do with flash but there is a more important flash issue atm so once that is fixed maybe we get lucky nad it fixes this issue as well01:47
gnomefreak_4strO: i woudnt use it atm unless you are a developer01:47
zorglu_gnomefreak: ok i understand, any suggestion on how i could keep track of this? i dev stuff using flash video. and firefox crashing is relatively bothering01:48
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_4strOgnomefreak: nop i'm not a developpeur, i'm a f$ing tester :p01:48
_4strOso i will follow your advise and stay with my feisty01:49
gnomefreakzorglu_: not really since im not working on flash at all, find out from #ubuntu-motu more on flash bug and questions about them01:49
zorglu_gnomefreak: ok thanks for the info :)01:49
_4strOi supposed that i would be interest when the beta realease will be on01:50
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Hobbsee_4strO: it's not that bad, as long as you can handle dependancies, look at wha tyou're saying yes to, will file bugs, and dont require a fully working system, all teh time02:01
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_4strOHobbsee: ??? i dont understand02:04
Hobbsee[21:46]  <_4strO> is kubuntu gutsy testable now ?02:05
_4strOha ok :p02:05
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gnomefreakHobbsee: did calc or anyone respin oo.o yet?02:18
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Hobbseegnomefreak: not sure02:20
gnomefreakk ty02:20
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AnRkeygnomefreak, who and what are you in the grand scheme of things?02:42
gnomefreakAnRkey: what do you mean?02:42
AnRkeygnomefreak, you work for canonical? you a dev?02:42
AnRkeyman woman child?02:42
gnomefreakAnRkey: i dont work for canonical but i work on mozilla apps developing bugs pretty much everything and i package some other apps as well02:43
AnRkeyi c02:43
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gnomefreakbtw anyone with n-m issues connecting when logging in is now fixed (cant promise every issue is fixed though)02:44
AnRkeygnomefreak, who does the network installer?02:44
AnRkeyi am trying to get that working here02:44
AnRkeyfeisty is working but gutsy on the same mirror does not02:45
AnRkeywas hoping to trouble shoot with some help02:45
gnomefreakAnRkey: asac has taken it over for now02:46
AnRkeywhat is the best way to find and contact him? irc?02:46
gnomefreakAnRkey: this week is bad but next week best way is in #ubuntu-mozillateam02:47
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gnomefreakthe 16th he should be back, hes here but not here since this is sprintweek02:48
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ubotua free and open source office suite, including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation, vector drawing and database components.  To install: "sudo apt-get install openoffice.org". User help available in #users.openoffice.org03:34
Hobbseeonechard: yes, it's broken03:35
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=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* and openoffice issues ATM
=== ..[topic/#ubuntu+1:Hobbsee] : The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | Tribe 2 released | Yes, there are libcurl* and openoffice issues ATM. Please dont file bu
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calcshould only get another 100 or so bugs before the new ooo is built everywhere03:38
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onechardthanks Hobbsee03:40
Hobbseecalc: and classy ones like this.  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/+bug/12552803:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125528 in update-manager "package update-manager failed to install/upgrade: ErrorMessage: SystemError in cache.commit(): E:Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) (dup-of: 125400)" [Undecided,New] 03:41
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125400 in openoffice.org "[MASTER]  package openoffice.org-common 2.2.1-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Fix released] 03:41
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calcHobbsee: perhaps we should have ability to revoke people's ability to file bugs when they do something like that ;)03:43
calcintentionally filing duplicate bugs seems like abuse of launchpad to me03:44
Hobbseecalc: i wish.03:44
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calcthere is a difference between being dumb and filing a duplicate and admitting you are filing a much duplicated bug03:47
gnomefreak it wouldnt help becasue we have some people that attach crash reports to random bugs (ive seena few people attach same report to over 10 bugs)03:48
gnomefreakoh and not one was the same as his :(03:48
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Hobbseecalc: heh03:56
Hobbseecalc: some people are *really* dumb though.  makes me wonder how they found gutsy03:56
Hobbseeand the forums isnt filled with it, so i'm not sure if it's actually from there.03:56
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elkbuntuHobbsee, people gloating that they're using a dev version, idiots overhearing or being dared to copy, doing so, then getting stuck03:57
Hobbseeelkbuntu: yeah, well.03:57
Hobbseeelkbuntu: i want to break X, just to make them give up :P03:57
Hobbseejust for a couple of days03:57
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calchell i can't even run gutsy on my laptop yet, and i am working on it :)04:07
calcafter hearing of the new amd64 flash though i may try reinstalling amd64 later today04:08
calci need flash for my grandcentral account04:08
calcthat reminds me i need to go find mjg and get him to look at my laptop suspend issue04:09
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affluxmy mousewheel skips now two windows/tabs/units instead of one since last upgrade04:46
affluxthat's weird04:46
afflux(logitech mx510 mouse, using evdev driver in xorg.con)04:46
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DanaGOdd: KNetworkManager doesn't bring the wired ethernet interface back up after suspend.06:00
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mrsno__bug 10970306:01
ubotuLaunchpad bug 109703 in xorg "[nvidia-glx]  X module Int10 fails to initialize - Feisty" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/10970306:01
mrsno__just a question about backporting, this is confirmed as fixed in gutsy but have someone in pm that is affected in feisty06:01
mrsno__will it be backported or will they wait until gutsy is released?06:02
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pvandewyngaerdedamnit, openoffice fails to update06:29
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Hobbseepvandewyngaerde: and if you report it, i'll shoot you.  see the /topic06:34
Hobbseepvandewyngaerde: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/12540006:34
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125400 in openoffice.org "[MASTER]  package openoffice.org-common 2.2.1-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Fix committed] 06:34
Hobbseepvandewyngaerde: there are ~50 duplicates of it at the moment06:34
Jaymacwhy don't people check before submitting?06:35
Jaymacit couldn't be easier with launchpad06:35
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HobbseeJaymac: lazyness, i think06:36
HobbseeJaymac: not thinking that someone actually has to go around and mark all the dupes that they couldnt be bothered to do06:36
HobbseeJaymac: or not actually reading what they're filing06:36
Hobbseeeither that, or they really have no idea about waht they're doing - some of those dupes are mindblowingly dumb06:36
Jaymacthe internet problem has been reported quite a lot too i guess06:37
HobbseeJaymac: you must be referring to the spam problem!06:38
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Hobbseeany *particular* internet problem?06:39
Hobbseeor just the internet in general being a problem?06:39
JaymacTHE internet not connecting on startup problem06:39
Hobbseeah yes, that one.06:39
Hobbseeknetworkmanager svn has fixed that.  dunno about nm-applet and such, though06:39
Jaymacnm-applet not yet06:40
dr_evilmy computer had internet preinstalled ;>06:41
Jaymacall of it?06:41
Hobbseedr_evil: *grin*06:41
dr_evilsure, everything06:42
Jaymacin that case you've got quite a lot of stuff you shouldn't have on your box... arrest him!06:42
HobbseeJaymac: i could just upload some crack, and wipe his harddrive.  that's simpile06:42
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HobbseeJaymac: twitch @ #ubuntu06:44
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Hobbseeze compiler is not ze text editor.  there is no all in one, under gnome, to my knowledge06:45
JaymacI know06:45
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JaymacI giggled at that06:45
JaymacHe has been asking how to install a C++ compiler for about an hour06:46
Jaymacso h e got it installed, and now wants to know how to use it to write C++ programs06:46
Hobbseenext he'll be asking how does he get includes in there06:46
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dr_evilbtw, I've never used encryption, but is there some easy to install harddisk encryption support?06:49
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dr_evilfor those who can read german, quoting BKA-Prsident Jrg Ziercke: "Die gesamte Kommunikation der Straftter muss berwacht werden. Damit wir mit ihnen auf einer Augenhhe sind, mssen wir vor der Verschlsselung auf der Festplatte sein"06:50
Jaymactranslated meaning?06:51
JaymacI can recognise a few words, but not enough to make sense of it :)06:52
dr_evilhe basically says,06:53
dr_evilthey are planning to install trojan backdor software on offender computers (big debate in germany), and he says that to monitor the whole communication off all offenders, their osftware need s to be installed on the harddisk before any encrpytion is installed06:54
lamalexoffender of what'06:55
dr_evil(which shows how stupid some of those politicians are)06:55
lamalexso if you break a law they install rootkits on your computer?06:55
dr_evilyes, thats the plan by our government. it's called Bundestrojaner in german press06:57
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aquariusIs this where I ask about issues with the gobuntu installer?07:07
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aquariusWhen trying to install yesterday's gobuntu nightly, it fails on the "Select and install software" step. I've checked the CD for defects and there are none. VC4 shows "Couldn't find task NN", where NN is all of "minimal", "standard", "ubuntu-desktop".07:28
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Kain0Anyone know if gutsy will have tracker integrated with nautilus?07:40
lamalexis that in upstream of nautilus?07:41
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Tretle" (18:41:16) Kain0: Anyone know if gutsy will have tracker integrated with nautilus? " if your talking about njpatels work he hasn't even started yet :(07:53
Tretlewhoops.... your gone07:53
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mx-zoomis firestarter still working in gutsy? I heard it had some problems with the kernel since 2.6.2109:18
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markrianJust installed gutsy, and noticed that the module that I've used for years for my wireless card, orinoco_pci, isn't built in linux-image-2.6.22. Is there somewhere with an explanation of why it was removed?09:27
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Jordan_Umarkrian, I know that a lot of drivers have been replaced with new ones or the devicescape system09:35
markrianJordan_U: is that an upstream change, or not? And how do you know this - perhaps where you found out would help me09:38
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lontradoes the live cd installer work on tribe #2?09:40
Jordan_Umarkrian, Yes that is an upstream change, heard about it from random gossip :)09:41
Jordan_Ulontra, It is supposed to on tribe releases09:41
lontraJordan_U, ok ... i've been running debian unstable and i'm contemplating trying out gutsy ... some of my hardware doesn't work in feisty but works flawlessly in sid except my synaptics mouse09:42
markrianJordan_U: That's pretty odd. Although thinking about it, I think my problem isn't due to that, since the sub-drivers orinoco and hermes exist in 2.6.22, just not orinoco_pci (which depends on the previous two)09:42
markrianHow odd...09:42
Jordan_Ulontra, My synaptics mouse works great in Feisty and even has two fingered scrolling in Gutsy :)09:43
lontraJordan_U, mine freezes and jumps all around the screen :)09:44
lontrahopefully it doesn't in gutsy09:44
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lontrai just filed a bug upstream with kernel 2.6.2209:44
Jordan_U!synaptics | lontra Maybe this will help09:45
ubotulontra Maybe this will help: For a comprehensive Synaptics Touchpad guide, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad09:45
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lontraJordan_U, do you know what that SHMConfig is suppose to do?09:49
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)09:49
Jordan_Ulontra, No09:50
Tretlecan someone help with this09:51
Tretlesorry wrong room09:52
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markrianHow do you search through ubuntu mailing list archives?10:04
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Jordan_ULeftmost, update-manger -c -d11:05
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Jordan_ULeftmost, -c tells it to look for new releases at all, -d includes development releases11:06
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LeftmostIt still doesn't show anything.11:07
Jordan_ULeftmost, strange11:08
LeftmostAre there any sources that, were they unmarked, might cause this?11:08
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LeftmostHmm. update-manager is giving me "current dist not found in meta-release file".11:11
Jordan_ULeftmost, Feisty-updates possibly?11:11
LeftmostWell, feisty-updates is certainly marked.11:15
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Jordan_ULeftmost, It's not working for me either, it may be that you can't upgrade until Beta or something like that, I installed fresh from tribe 111:17
Jordan_ULeftmost, You could try a dist-upgrade if you are daring :)11:18
DanaGwtf?  Whenever I try to connect to my wpa-protected network, knetworkmanager opens the password prompt with the "Okay" button DISABLED.  I have to change the passphrase and then change it back.11:18
LeftmostHmm. Well, the Tribe 2 testing page says the upgrade can be done with update-manager. I suppose that's where my confusion comes in.11:18
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Jordan_ULeftmost, Do you have feisty-proposed enabled?11:22
LeftmostHmm. Well, we'll try an experiment and, if it fails, I can always install fresh.11:26
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bronsonI tried installing Tribe 2 on my Thinkpad T42p...  Couldn't even get past partitioning.11:49
Jordan_Ubronson, Did you try the alternate CD and did you file a bug?11:53
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bronson(sorry, got called away)  The first time I try to change a partition type, it says Scanning Disks, then hangs forever.11:54
bronsonGUI's hung too.11:54
bronsonNo, no bug.11:54
bronsonI searched for a bug but didn't see one...  Just wondering if I'm the only one seeing this.11:55
bronsonI'll try the alternative.11:55
munckfishHi, does anyone know what improvements are being made to network-manager integration in Gutsy? I have a bug here in Feisty which is causing me to lose DNS, which I now believe is caused ifupdown/NM clashing.11:55
Jordan_Ubronson, File a bug also11:55
bronsonok, will do11:56
munckfishI see there are loads of bugs open relating to this already and I wondered what if anything is happening about it11:56
bronsonwhat do the bugs say?  ;)11:57
Jordan_Umunckfish, network manager doesn't use any interfaces defined in /etc/networking/interfaces so it shouldn't be possible for them to clash11:57
munckfishWell, the problem I have is NM is managing my eth0 and eth1, but ifupdown starts a dhclient process for whichever one isn't connected11:58
munckfisheventually, dhclient times out and overwrites resolv.conf with nameservers from an old and irrelevant lease11:58
munckfishnow, there are plenty of bugs open already complaining about resolv.conf getting clobbered11:59
bronsonYikes...  yeah, that would be a problem.11:59
bronsonWhy don't I see this problem on my machine?  I have NM managing eth0 and eth1 too...?11:59
munckfishI've worked around it for the moment by commented eth1 and eth0 stuff in /etc/network/interfaces12:00
Jordan_Umunckfish, Why is ifupdown doing anything with those interfaces? Do you know?12:00
Jordan_Umunckfish, That is how it is supposed to work...12:00
munckfishWell, this is a question which I have not been able to answer yet12:00
Jordan_Umunckfish, You can't have an interface in /etc/network/interfaces and managed by network manager12:01
Jordan_Umunckfish, In fact network manager shouldn't even let you do it12:01
bronsonJordan_U: er, isn't that how it's installed?12:01
bronsonI have NM managing all my interfaces, yet I have auto eth0 and auto eth1, dhcp both, in /etc/network/interfaces.12:01
munckfishI read somewhere that NM will consider interfaces which are marked as 'auto' or 'dhcp'12:02
Jordan_Ubronson, No, network manager doesn't use /etc/network/interfaces12:02
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munckfishthere's a readme about it somewhere I think12:02
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Jordan_UMaybe I am wrong12:02
munckfishand in Feisty it comes like this by default12:02
Jordan_Umunckfish, I thought that was why they added the "roaming" option to network-admin12:02
bronsonWell, somehow nm and ifupdown don't stomp on each other on my mostly stock Feisty box...  and I have no idea why they don't.12:02
munckfishwell, even more confusing is my work colleague has exactly the same laptop as me12:03
Jordan_Umunckfish, Check if your interfaces are set to "roaming" in network-admin12:03
munckfishand pretty much the same diff between his home net and work as me12:03
munckfishhe doesn't seem to be experiencing it12:03
munckfishso I don't know if maybe something at the hw level is reacting diff on mine. No matter if that's the case it's kicked out this issue for me12:04
munckfishJordan_U: ok will go check, 1 moment12:05
munckfishyeah both are marked as being in 'roaming' mode12:05
munckfishand anyway I haven't touched this configuration since I installed12:06
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munckfishis just a normal Feisty12:06
bronsonMy wireless connection is marked roaming but my wired is marked "Address: DHCP"12:06
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MugginsMhrm, this one's 64-bit12:08
munckfishok the description of how and when NM takes over an interface is in /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian12:08
MugginsMfeisty's generally ok on x86_64?12:09
MugginsMI mean gutsy?12:09
munckfishJordan_U, bronson: ok, I'm going to raise this bug of mine anyway so at least it can be discussed further, sorry I probably didn't describe it well here.12:10
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bronsonmunckfish: right on.  hope it helps fix it.12:13
bronsonmunckfish: did you try setting your wired interface to non-roaming DHCP?12:13
bronsonNot sure why that would help but that's how my machine is set up.12:13
bronsonAnd for some reason my ethernet/wireless hotplug seem to work fine.12:14
munckfishI'll try that, do you know exactly what that changes in /etc/network/interfaces?12:14
bronsonNo idea.  my /etc/network/interfaces could hardly be simpler though.12:14
bronsoneverything is marked auto, everything is "iface ethN inet dhcp", for eth0 eth1 eth2 ath0 wlan012:15
munckfishyeah that's the same as minie12:15
bronsonMaybe it doesn't change /etc/network/interfaces...?12:15
Jordan_Umunckfish, The same as yours when it is or isn't working?12:15
munckfishwhen it's not12:16
munckfishI'll upload this file also when I've got it raised12:16
munckfishcourse the next prob I have is deciding which package to raise this under12:17
munckfishbronson: can you do me favour and check for running dhclient processes on your machine12:19
Jordan_Umunckfish, I would say network manager since this isn't going to effect server installs for instance12:19
munckfishI usually have 212:19
munckfish1 started by dhcdbd when NM asks it to do dhcp stuff12:20
bronsonmunckfish: only one.12:20
bronson/sbin/dhclient -1 -lf /var/lib/dhcp3/dhclient.eth1.le12:20
bronsonases -pf /var/run/dhclient.eth1.pid -q -e dhc_dbus=31 -d eth112:20
munckfishand another started by the /etc/init.d/networking / ifupdown team on boot12:20
bronsonClearly the one that pulled the lease for the wireless i/f.  eth0 has nothing.12:20
munckfishok, this is helping clarify it in my mind. The symptom for me is loss of DNS shortly after boot, but I'm realising now that12:21
Jordan_Umunckfish, I only have one instance of dhclient12:22
munckfishthe bug is, that the /etc/init.d/networks stuff isn't ignoring interfaces marked as roaming12:22
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munckfishinteresting ...12:23
bronsoner...  my eth0 isn't marked remote.  Only my eth1.12:23
bronsonYet it's being ignored.12:23
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lontrai have an orinoco card but it doesn't seem to be recognized by tribe #2  ... does anyone know how i can make it recognized?  i've tried modprobe orinoco and modprobe hermes but modprobe orinoco_cs tells me module not availabe :/12:25
munckfishbronson: from NM's README.debian "Only devices that are *not* listed in /etc/network/interfaces or which have been configured "auto" and "dhcp" (with no other options) are managed by NM."12:25
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bronsonSo that's saying that NM will manage any interface that's marked auto...?12:27
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Jordan_Ubronson, auto with no other options12:28
bronsonok, that make sense.12:28
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bronsonOh I get it:   !listed || (auto && dhcp)12:29
bronsonI was parenthesizing wrong.  :)12:29

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