=== manchicken [n=manchkn@74-134-94-223.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === corevette [n=corevett@adsl-75-18-204-208.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [12:33] is there a reason why when i do a sudo apt-get install fluxbox that it doesn't show up of sessions i can choose from? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-168.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu+1 ["Ex-Chat"] === merhojt [n=Jimmy@h88n2c1o885.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === cyphase [n=cyphase@c-24-5-168-95.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === drekko [n=drekko@c-9109e555.03-24-73746f11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-168.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RedKrieg [n=RedKrieg@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-168.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-168.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === calc [n=ccheney@217.207.76.231] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-168.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === crackerbox [n=ubuntu@74-135-34-212.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-168.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === lamalex [n=alex@c-71-225-106-125.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bderrly [n=bderrly@66-189-159-111.dhcp.tdls.or.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Nick_Hill [n=Nick@213.152.57.81] has joined #ubuntu+1 === MrFeetio [n=david@c-71-230-5-247.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:09] is the 7.10 kernel tickless? [02:15] yes === MrFeetio is now known as captainobvious === captainobvious is now known as MrFeetio === MrFeetio [n=david@c-71-230-5-247.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] === TheGoodShepherd [n=lollersk@c-24-14-254-177.hsd1.il.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === pschulz01 [n=pschulz0@ubuntu/member/pschulz01] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Belboz99 [n=dan@209.94.32.9] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [02:49] Hey all, I downloaded Ubuntu Gutsy Gibbon the other night, and when I went to load it up as a live CD it couldn't get into the GUI, I resolved about 2 or 3 issues, but that still didn't solve the whole problem. [02:49] I'm on an AsRock 775_Dual-VSTA mobo with a C2D E6300 and a 6800GT AGP (Nvidia), I was attempting to load the 64 bit version of Tribe 2 [02:50] How did it fail? [02:50] It would give an error upon attempted login through GDM [02:51] it said that xserver (IIRC) was attempting to use setuid or getuid and that was no longer allowed by Gnome [02:51] I also tried KDM, which just dropped to the console, no error output whatsoever [02:52] startx failed in the same way as KDM [02:52] blinked 3 times and then back to the command line :( === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [02:58] Welcome back RAOF [02:58] did you get my response? [02:58] No, sorry. Stupid keyboard shortcuts! [02:59] ah, lol [02:59] was it Shift+Backspace? [02:59] that kills X in some versions of Compiz and IIRC Beryl too [03:00] don't know why, I have a nasty habbit of hitting shift+backspace while backspacing uppercase characters :-P [03:00] No. And that's an XGL bug :) [03:00] lol, I must have hit shift+backspace 20 times in a single hour one day, drove me absolutely nuts! [03:01] especially when you're coding or writing up a long-winded technical post with lots of bbcode :-P === mister_roboto [n=jrk@24-136-22-252.hnc-bsr1.chi-hnc.il.cable.rcn.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:02] okay, anyway, it had an error upon attempted login [03:02] something about xserver or something trying to use setuid or getuid, which is no longer allowed by Gnome [03:02] Eh, not an error. My perfectly working box says that :) [03:02] I then installed KDM, and that just dropped me back to the command line upon attempted login [03:03] no error output what-so-ever [03:03] startx was the same === Perdente [n=gabx84@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:03] blinked three times and back to the old command line :( [03:04] So your X server is dying. Probably a nv bug [03:04] I also tried nvidia-glx [03:05] but I happen to have an AsRock board, which uses AGP, which is highly unusual for a Core 2 Duo system [03:05] Woah. Yeah [03:05] 6800GT AGP [03:06] How did you try nvidia-glx? [03:06] sudo apt-get install nvidia-glx [03:06] it was this morning and I was in a rush and also sleepy, so things are a little foggy :-P === os2mac [n=jim@114-41-178-69.gci.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Perdente [n=gabx84@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:08] Belboz99: Yeah, that alone won't work [03:08] you need the kernel source as well, correct? [03:08] I've got to ask, why do package names keep on changing? === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:09] A while back I must have spent 6 hours trying to get nvidia-glx to load, only to find out the root of the problem was they changed the name of the kernel source, so I was trying to use an outdated package name. If only apt would have informed me of the new package name :/ === jamman [n=jessie@160.7.244.25] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:10] so how is gutsy? [03:10] what is the proper method of installing nvidia-glx, and why isn't the kernel source listed as a dependency? [03:11] Belboz99: No, you don't need the source. But you *do* need to re-run the linux-restricted-modules init [03:11] is gutsy very nice? [03:11] Yes [03:11] RAOF: thanks, I've been wondering what that restricted modules thing was all about, I haven't seen any detailed explanations of it [03:12] RAOF, how nice??? :) [03:12] RAOF, what is your favorite feature? [03:12] Belboz99: The restricted thing links the proprietary kernel modules at boot-time, so Ubuntu doesn't need to distribute the pre-built binaries [03:13] jamman: Working compiz-fusion by default? [03:13] RAOF: I've got a Fiesty system sitting in the other room, it can't seem to find the nvidia kernel module, how do I fix that? [03:13] RAOF: Working compiz by default :) [03:13] Amaranth: Oh, ok :) [03:14] RAOF, OOOHHHH!!! cool. probably wont work on a 500 mhz laptop with a neogeo with 16 meg of memory. [03:14] no compiz-fusion? and how is that? [03:14] compiz-fusion is some addons for compiz [03:14] compiz is the main thing [03:14] havent got my "good"-ish one ubuntufied yet. [03:14] It's in universe, so not installed by default [03:14] any other good features? [03:14] RAOF: eh? [03:14] They should've called it something else, like compiz-with-a-cherry-on-top [03:15] lol. i like it. [03:15] what are the features in compiz-fusion? [03:15] RAOF: The tribe-2 CDs couldn't have been made if compiz-fusion stuff was in universe [03:15] because the name "compiz-fusion" doesn't clearly imply "compiz, with extra stuff as the 'fusion'." [03:15] Oh. [03:15] what? [03:15] I need to check apt-cache policy more often :) [03:16] any other good features? [03:16] cube-reflect is cool. [03:16] jamman: wall, expo, animation [03:16] New gnome is always good [03:16] those are the main things we get from compiz-fusion [03:16] wall, expo, animation? === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:16] RAOF, not if you use kde ;) [03:17] oh well, kde4 and amarok 2 will be out by the stable release. [03:17] jamman: There's no accounting for taste :P [03:17] Expo "Apple's Spaces" [03:17] RAOF, i use gnome, just kde is more customizeable. [03:17] the Expo sounds cool. [03:17] jamman: they won't be in gutsy [03:17] er, Apple's "Spaces" <== note the moved quote mark. [03:17] jamman: But won't be used in Gutsy. Although it will be parallel installable [03:17] jamman: kde4 will be gutsy+1 or later as the default === ajmorris_ [n=ajmorris@220-253-153-102.VIC.netspace.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF hunts the kde spec [03:18] oh, and only ubuntu is doing compiz by default, kubuntu has decided to wait for kwin_composite [03:18] RAOF, NO!!! amarok 2 wont! dang! [03:18] oh well, if its stable, source time! [03:19] Fair enough, too. [03:19] well, they'll probably have a repo for it on kubuntu.org [03:19] Amaranth, that is a good point. [03:19] kwin_composite, Amaranth ? [03:20] kwin in kde4 [03:20] Repo where? [03:20] What exactly is amarok2? [03:21] DanaG, a music player. [03:21] DanaG, i take that back. THE BEST MUSIC PLAYER! [03:21] I use Amarok, but what's different about '2'? [03:21] DanaG, better? [03:21] DanaG, just like kde4 will be. [03:21] Amaranth, is that like compiz/beryl/compiz-fusion? [03:22] so when is kde4 coming out exactly? [03:22] i thought right before gutsy. [03:22] let me check... [03:22] oh [03:23] actually, i just remembered. october. [03:23] do they generally upgrade around the same time? [03:23] Perdente, do what upgrade? [03:23] kde and ubuntu? [03:23] no, unfortantally not. [03:23] oh ok [03:24] well I figured not since they move at different paces, but you never know [03:24] Perdente, yeah, if a new kde came out every six months... [03:24] haha [03:26] jamman, so I'm kinda new to the whole ubuntu scene how close would you say ubuntu and kubuntu are in terms of.... development..? === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:27] Perdente, kde isn't as... user friendly. the sys apps arent as good, i.e. kubuntu uses adapt rather than synaptic, etc. I LOVE it tho. or do you mean how close are they to each other in closeness to done? === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:27] you suck perdente! [03:27] huh? [03:27] what? [03:28] did I do something? === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Perdente [n=gabx84@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:30] hello? === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:32] Perdente, oh, you left. [03:32] again. [03:32] phew [03:32] ok [03:32] it keeps saying you leave, and then you come back. [03:32] yeah, I switched from my shotty wireless to cable [03:32] i had just barely got done explaining and you left! [03:32] lol let me guess, I quit right as you... yeap [03:33] so are you using gutsy? [03:33] If you repeat it I promise I won't leave this time.... ^_^ [03:33] oh [03:34] lol no, not yet, I'm gonna set it up either tonight or tommorrow morning [03:35] I just repartitioned my whole harddrive in a way I like more so now I'll probably put gutsy gobuntu... etc on it just to see what's up with em [03:35] gobuntu? which is what? === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-111.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:36] not to put too much into one message but: Thanks to Colin and Evans efforts we now have daily images of a freedom-focused flavour of Ubuntu, Gobuntu. This is a call for developers who are interested in pushing the limits of content and code freedom - including firmware, content, and authoring infrastructure, to join the team and help identify places where we must separate out pieces... [03:36] ...that dont belong in Gobuntu from the standard Ubuntu builds. [03:36] errr sorry wrong part [03:36] a version of ubuntu that's all built on .... [03:36] Perdente, its all good. [03:37] Wasn't that called "gnewsense"? [03:37] well originally, but I guess not everyone liked that name [03:37] gnewsense is the fsf's 'fork' of ubuntu [03:38] And is getting re-merged as official in Gutsy? [03:38] Perdente, anyways all built on... [03:38] it's a different group working on it, from what i can tell === RAOF thinks back to sabdfl's blog post [03:38] ompaul seems to be the main guy working on gnewsense [03:39] all built on proprietary software components [03:39] Perdente, oh. and thats freedom how? [03:39] Non-proprietary, you mean? [03:40] you know I'm still figuring that out, but if Mark Shuttleworth says it I believe it [03:40] RAOF, yeah sorry thanks [03:41] lol. ok. isn't ubuntu all non-proprietary though? [03:41] ubuntu contains several proprietary bits like wireless drivers, video card drivers, etc. [03:41] jamman: nvidia-glx says otherwise :) [03:41] they're doing not too bad a job of making it explicit to the users, but they're still there [03:42] RAOF, good point. good point. [03:42] i forgot about that one. [03:42] Even the ipw3945 uses non-free firmware [03:42] did you guys hear about ati making their drivers open source? [03:42] ? [03:42] jamman: they *say* they will, not sure I believe them [03:42] no === RAOF will believe that when he sees the code [03:42] ipw3945 is what? [03:43] I supect they'll do what nvidia did and release proprietary binary blobs with tiny open source wrappers [03:43] yeah, *SUPPOSEDLY* they are. [03:43] jamman: The best-supported wifi card [03:43] RAOF, oh. my ralink was supported good. who makes it for future reference? [03:43] 5 minutes til my win 2003 server install is done! [03:43] jamman: You mean, the ipw3945? Intel. === jamman rolls his eyes and yells, "just kidding!" [03:44] not about the install though, about being excited. [03:44] so I went to download gobuntu and it is labeled as the gutsy alternate, so does that mean its essentially the same as gutsy other than the pro. software they're taking out? [03:44] lol [03:45] Perdente: Yes, that's the point === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu+1 [] [03:45] RAOF, I knew that :-/ well then I guess I can mess with that and still be gellin [03:45] lol. nice! === bipolar [n=bflong@70.44.53.89] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:46] RAOF, so does it use the same repos as gutsy? (gobuntu this is) [03:46] do you guys mostly report back problems or fix some of the bugs yourselves? caus I really want to get my hands dirty and all I've done so far is make funny little apps with GTK+2 or gtkmm [03:47] Perdente, better than me. [03:47] lol, you'd have to see it first :) [03:47] although, i did make a program that let me insert a line into a table into a database. helps me keep track of my eagle project time. [03:47] ^_^ === Stormx2 [n=Stormx2@host-87-240-137-127.hi-velocity.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:49] yip. fun fun. [03:49] I don't know my intentions were good, but my follow through lacked a little (still in progress though) [03:49] I want to make a dreamweaver equivalent for Ubuntu since I heard that we were lacking one [03:49] kool. thats how some of the best apps start. [03:50] Perdente, hopefully it'll make good code. [03:50] yeah, I figure if I tell everybody about it, someone will do it for me hahahah [03:50] lol. nice. [03:51] hehe [03:51] nah, I do want to contribute to Ubuntu code somehow though [03:51] jamman, I just don't want to mess it up either.. :( [03:52] Perdente, same here. im no programmer though. [03:52] meh, by choice or just haven't started yet? [03:53] Perdente, just havent started. [03:53] i have made some basic programs on my ti-85 though. [03:53] sweet I once had a game where the @ symbol had to make it to class on time [03:53] Perdente, thats awesome. [03:54] i made a game where you would steer a ship and you got a score. it even saved the high score. === DerekS [n=DerekS@cpe-66-65-46-91.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:54] a fortune game, lots of fun stuff. [03:54] lol I thought so because I played it in math and that class was hella boring [03:55] lol, damn you, its like my ego is on a roller coaster or something [03:56] well do you want to be on my not yet made/ working on a dreamweaver equivalent program group then? === DarkX [n=DarkX@r74-195-222-154.sem1cmtc01.smnlok.ok.dh.suddenlink.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:57] Perdente, hell yeah! [03:57] one way to get started on my programming, and i already know html, so yip. === Toma- [n=e17@203-217-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 [03:58] lol, alright, umm first though, since I'm probably going to copy and paste shit to get stuff set up, do you have a aim acocunt or something [03:59] Perdente, msn! [03:59] that works [03:59] kool. jessie at confettiantiques.com [04:00] Reporting good bugs is extremely worthwhile. Anything more than that (packaging/bug fixes) is welcome too! [04:01] RAOF, i might have to join the gutsy team man. [04:01] art, or something. [04:02] here mine is Yuo122986@hotmail.com [04:02] Go for it. You only need to start contributing to join the team. There's nothing formal you have to do [04:03] RAOF, any website managing/creating that needs to be done? [04:03] RAOF, so just go into one of the irc rooms for the team and offer to help...? [04:03] lol [04:04] Perdente: Just start helping :). How you help depends on what you want to do and are good at. If you want to help fix bugs, write patches, etc, you probably want to check out #ubuntu-motu [04:05] Ubuntu-qa is always in need of bug triagers, too, wiki.ubuntu.com/BugSquad [04:09] Raof, thanks a bunch, I'll get right on it! its sad when I'm so clueless I don't even know where to start, but anyway [04:11] RAOF, quick question if someone is on Kubuntu, what do they have to do to see GTK apps again.. not related to the going to ubuntu-motu, but gotta ask [04:13] is there a way.. although I guess that would defeat the purpose... === Cwiiis_ [n=cwiiis@82-43-46-194.cable.ubr02.croy.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:19] Hey, I'm still having this problem with the nvidia kernel module: [04:19] dan@htpc:/lib/linux-restricted-modules$ sudo modprobe nvidia [04:19] FATAL: Error running install command for nvidia [04:20] crap, wrong channel I guess, this was supposed to be in #Ubuntu :-P === Pumpernickel [n=Pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Pici [n=pcmacman@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Pici [n=pcmacman@ool-4355be00.dyn.optonline.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:23] Perdente: GTK apps should just work, the same way that QT apps work in Gnome [04:24] What is ubuntu-laptop-mode? === BFrank [n=addos@dog.lost-habit.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:24] It conflicts with laptop-mode-tools, and thus tries to remove ubuntu-desktop. [04:24] Interesting. It's probably new then [04:26] First release July 5, it looks like. [04:26] If you aptitude changelog ubuntu-laptop-mode. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:36] Oh yeah, and I had to change something to fix my nvidia suspend -- it was broken even without 'nvidia' loaded. [04:36] save_vbe_state -- changed to false. [04:36] Save video PCI state -- changed to true. === jamman [n=jessie@160.7.244.25] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RAOF 's nvidia suspend is broken by compiz, but worked fine in Xgl [04:37] Try that option. [04:37] It works for me even under Fusion, I believe. [04:38] SAVE_VBE_STATE=true [04:38] POST_VIDEO=false # was true [04:38] SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true [04:38] in /etc/default/acpi-support [04:39] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833 [04:39] Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] [04:39] A different issue. === RAOF goes to check [04:43] The report also describes a couple of other things -- my hotkeys don't pop up the OSD. === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@67.163.214.103] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [04:43] Not for me, either [04:44] The keys work, and acpid sees them -- but g-p-m does not see them. [04:45] DanaG: Where do those changes go? === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@67.163.214.103] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:45] Oh, the actual_brightness is what changes upon the hotkey. [04:46] And if you tail -f /var/log/acpid [04:46] (I don't remember the exact path) [04:46] DanaG: No, I mean the SAVE_VBE_STATE et al [04:46] Oh, /etc/default/acpi-support [04:46] Oh, and I fixed the incessant nvidia blinking by setting nvagp=0. === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/session] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:47] :) [04:48] How does PCIe use agpgart anyway? === Perdente [n=gabx84@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:49] Heh. [04:50] RAOF, so is anyone else going to go to gobuntu by any chance or should I just buck it up and stick with regular gutsy? === sen3 [n=sen@38.45-201-80.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:50] What is gobuntu? [04:50] free ubuntu === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/session] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:50] The "no binary blobs" one [04:51] Shouldn't that be "freebuntu" or "gnubuntu"? [04:51] lol dejavu [04:51] "go" makes me think "mobile". [04:51] it makes so much sense it hurts... [04:51] And, no. I'm not going to be using it, because I *like* my hardware support [04:52] lol good enough for me === DanaG is glad Gateway uses e1000 and ipw3945, not Realtek something-or-other and bcm43xx. [04:53] Gigabit ethernet on a notebook is cool. [04:53] what is the name of the kubuntu that is in trial mode again? === Agrajag` [i=Agrajag@c-67-163-214-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net] has joined #Ubuntu+1 [04:54] gutsy [04:54] trial mode? === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [04:56] err nm sorry I'm ignant === LeeJunFan [i=junfan@adsl-76-204-9-149.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has left #ubuntu+1 ["http://www.americanfreedoms.org"] === voidmage-away [n=voidmage@adsl-068-209-120-161.sip.asm.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Toma- [n=e17@203-217-0-119.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu+1 === teratoma_ [n=teratoma@net.loldon.gs] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:22] what do i do about this: [05:22] The following packages are BROKEN: libcurl3-gnutls libcurl4-gnutls [05:22] cry? [05:22] DanaG: In case you're wondering, thai acpi-support change doesn't fix compiz+resume here [05:23] read topic teratoma_ [05:23] sads [05:27] nn [05:29] RAOF: so I got sidetracked, but I looked and I found one program that could be similar called Nvu Web Development [05:43] Perdente: Yeah, that'd be one. It's getting rewritten, IIRC === SirFord [n=sirford8@c-71-203-8-153.hsd1.fl.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:44] ok [05:44] so i can do dual xenons [05:44] or dual opterons [05:45] has anyone been able to get gutsy with KDE 4.0 ? [05:45] and the dual fx-something or others [05:46] but i cant do dual say qx6600's ? [05:46] or dual say amd 6000+'s? [05:46] SirFord: ...it's not released yet [05:47] hi Hobbsee ^_^ [05:47] im in my gutsy [05:47] hi pimp31415 [05:47] taht blackscreen stuff is back [05:47] its not? what the heck did I download? [05:47] pimp31415 / starz [05:47] 4.0 alpha 2 is out [05:47] have you complied it? [05:48] no but I was reading where I downloaded gutsy from that it was an option [05:48] mm [05:48] lets look shall we [05:48] it's in gutsy, there's no metapackage yet [05:48] *fires up synaptic* [05:48] iirc [05:49] anyway so quad core is better than dual duals it seems... [05:49] Hobbsee, im looking in synaptic and it does look a bit confusing === BHSPitMonkey [n=stephen@67.64.148.106] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:50] for instance kde4libs == version 3.80.3 [05:50] so is that kde4 or 3.8 === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-1fd66bf66a309a31] has joined #ubuntu+1 [05:50] say i look at kde-core i see version 5:47 [05:50] would it be easier you think with kubuntu gutsy [05:50] and ive no idea what that means [05:51] SirFord, ? [05:51] its the same repos :P [05:51] :( [05:51] well I'll have to play with it I guess [05:51] pimp31415: no, thatd' be the alpha 2. although why it's .3, i'm not sure [05:53] heh ok [05:53] !gutsy [05:53] Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1 [05:55] Anyone else loving the upgrade with openoffice right now? [05:56] wfarr, what did it upgrade? [05:56] I'm being sarcastic [05:56] o [05:56] dpkg threw me into dep-hell [05:56] -_- [05:56] lol [05:56] congradulations [05:56] you win a prize [05:56] wfarr: then fix it, or wait for a fix. [05:56] =P === Hobbsee points to the topic [05:56] but untill we figure out what - your awarded 3 internets and 65 googles [05:56] I'll fix i ;) [05:57] um Hobbsee im going to do a dist upgrade and it wants to take out libcurl4-gnutils [05:57] what does that thing do anyway? [05:57] pimp31415, that's expected [05:57] I guess [05:57] >_> [05:58] But uh, I think the trouble might could be version mis-match of a particular package [05:58] pimp31415: that's the plan. and apt-cache show libcurl*-gnutils will tell you [05:58] curl is just stuffed [05:58] mm [05:59] hm [05:59] does that mean ssl will break? @_@ [05:59] owell i'll hold off on most of the package upgrades - lets just tell it to do a few :P [06:02] ah [06:02] I found the problem [06:02] There's no theme index in /usr/share/icons/locolor [06:02] o? [06:05] wfarr, so what do you do to fix that? [06:05] I just made a quick index.theme [06:05] and how did you figure that out? [06:05] and then dpkg --configure -a [06:06] just any old index.theme? say an empty one? === wfarr shrugs - I used Hicolor's (obv changing theme name to Locolor) === Tomcat_` [n=Tomcat@p5B15E801.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:07] huh [06:07] good idea === mon^rch [n=anonymou@S0106000fea33f1bb.cg.shawcable.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === Tretle [n=tretle@192.122.223.58] has joined #ubuntu+1 === termitor [n=proutage@sab57-2-82-236-243-8.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === drekko [n=drekko@c-9109e555.03-24-73746f11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu+1 === os2mac [n=jim@216-67-59-18.static.acsalaska.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG loves font rendering in Feisty and Gutsy. [06:32] Oh, but one thing -- the new gnome appearance properties breaks on-the-fly font changing. === tritium [n=tritium@ubuntu/member/tritium] has joined #ubuntu+1 === _4strO [n=cedric@AStrasbourg-253-1-5-168.w81-51.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:45] Odd: compiz is running at only 10 FPS. [06:45] I usually get 60. [06:48] Oh, and a bunch of the settings descriptions are BLUE, for some reason. [06:48] And Xorg is absolutely devouring my CPU. [06:49] Sounds fun! [06:49] Yup. [06:50] I wonder whether I should go back to the packaged NVIDIA driver. [06:51] Oh, your resume fix was predicated on that? [06:52] Nope. It turned out that suspend was broken even if nvidia was not in use, [06:52] :) [06:52] and even if framebuffer was not in use. [06:52] I just wanted to use the newer one for better laptop support. [06:52] Oddly, the crazy CPU usage just appeared today; perhaps I should try restarting X first. [06:53] Do you know what the "better laptop support" actually *is*? === compengi_ [n=compengi@85.112.67.128] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:54] Coolbits, for one, though I don't use it. [06:54] Also, my display-switch hotkey works; it just doesn't change resolution. [06:54] And it switches from (internal) to (external) but not to (both). [06:55] coolbits? [06:56] (both) would be a nice feature. [06:57] You can still manually set clone-mode with nvidia-settings. [06:57] Also. "Coolbits"? [06:58] Overclocking. === fraco [n=fraco@213.219.165.163.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [06:58] Or in my case, it'd be "Stop the damn driver from dropping the GPU to low speed, by increasing the lowest speed.: === DanaG runs off to restart X. === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5FD48.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-111.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === snax [n=snax@c-24-17-210-137.hsd1.wa.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 === DanaG [n=DanaG@24-205-228-241.dhcp.snlo.ca.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu+1 === RxDx [n=Rodrigo@201-74-146-201-sj.cpe.vivax.com.br] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:17] okay, I went back to intel-agp [07:17] and resume still works. And now it's faster and doesn't BLINK. [07:18] So the guides that say to use NvAGP are not necessarily correct. [07:18] Cool. How did you do that, again? [07:18] However, my consoles are corrupt on resume; perhaps I have to disable vbe state saving. === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu+1 [07:18] My display occasionally blinks [07:19] Perhaps my GPU is still in low-power mode... [07:20] Oddly, it's not -- yet I'm only getting 30 FPS in compiz. [07:20] WTF? Something just beeped on lid close. [07:20] Oh, it's gnome-power-manager. Lovely feature, eh? [07:20] That'd be g-p-m :) [07:21] It's annoying when pulseaudio has your PCM master locked at 100% [07:29] DanaG: you're sure direct remdering is enabled? [07:29] m=n [07:31] Yeah, it's enabled. [07:31] Lemme try googleearth -- if that's not slow, I'll have a hint that it might be a Compiz bug. [07:32] I override pulseaudio to use dmix instead of hw:0 [07:32] . [07:35] Well, it's not slow, but it sure is eating CPU when I move around. [07:37] DanaG: Oooh, that seems reasonable. How? :) [07:38] Oh, about pulseaudio? [07:38] Lemme look. [07:38]