[12:12] asac: just did a lots of tests with network-manager, everything's fine here === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === alex-weej_ [n=alex@82.23.188.238] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@18-62.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bluekuja_ [n=andrea@host106-170.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [n=seb@217.207.76.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jwendell [n=wendell@ubuntu/member/wendell] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter_ [n=till@bl8-114-12.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tormod [n=tormod@80-219-112-71.dclient.hispeed.ch] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce__ [n=bryce@217.207.76.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === tkamppeter_ is now known as tkamppeter === johanbr [n=j@blk-224-156-151.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [n=ccheney@217.207.76.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:19] ooo build sucks [01:19] i made like a 2 line change and it fails to build on amd64 [01:19] 5ubuntu1 passed on amd64 and failed on 5ubuntu2 [01:20] there must be some kind of timing screw up in the build system when used in make -j# mode === ScottK had a package build in both Sid and Gutsy pbuilders, build on the Debian buildd, and then FTBFS on the Ubuntu buildd today. [01:24] cool someone already threw it back to retry [01:24] ScottK: which package? === jml [n=jml@ppp121-44-217-216.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] pypolicyd-spf === lmveloso [n=lmveloso@200-193-152-9.mganm702.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:25] It's fixed now. [01:25] ScottK: is it fairly simple build wise? [01:25] Very. [01:25] spf is crack anyway. :-P [01:25] hmm i wonder if there might be something slightly wrong with the buildds then, of course ooo is so complicated it is hard to tell when it fails if it is a buildd issue or a ooo build system problem [01:26] i'm thinking its mostly due to ooo being crack [01:26] Mithrandir: Sure it is, but the alternatives are currently worse. [01:26] calc: it's probably just the ooo build system not being good; the buildds break every now and then, but they're not generally broken. [01:26] ScottK: DK might be good. [01:26] true [01:26] My problem was due to taking a stupid shortcut that apparently usually works. === calc is talking to Mithrandir on irc while sitting 2 feet from him, lol [01:27] you're not sitting. [01:27] especially given that what the buildds do is, by definition, correct. [01:27] Mithrandir: In my testing DK is VERY implementation depenent. DKIM Is more robust, but currently lacks a policy component to make it generally useful. [01:28] ScottK: maybe; I haven't actually tried them. I've just read the specs and, well, spf doesn't really win you anything. [01:28] In the end I think the right answer will be a combination of the two approaches. It happens that DKIM works well where SPF is weak and vice versa. [01:29] Mithrandir: In my case it got my personal spammers to quit forging my domains. [01:29] turning on the two flags on my debian mail seemed to help reduce spam some (forgot what they were now though) [01:29] It's more of a benifit for the sender than the receiver. That's one of the challenges. [01:30] ScottK: then just use bounce address signing. [01:30] Mithrandir: Where do I apt-get install stuff to do that? [01:30] the best part was just moving my debian email to a separate forward address and unsubscribing from all the high traffic lists === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.6.221.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:30] so i have only gotten 2200 emails from them in 3-4 months [01:31] That's a solution to not see the bounces, but doesn't do much for getting the spammers to leave your name alone. === ScottK needs to go cook dinner. See you later. [01:31] a lot of the "spam" i get to my debian email address is bounces from stupid servers that don't know that they should be dropping the emails instead of rejecting them at initial receive time [01:31] ScottK: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Spam-Filtering-for-MX/exim-sign.html [01:31] In short, SPF sucks, but nothing better is mature. [01:32] SPF requires the other end to care, sender signatures doesn't === micahcowan [n=micahcow@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:32] True, but in practice enough receivers care to provide some deterrent effect. [01:33] The current bounce address stuff only works if MSA is also the MX. It's not a scalable approach yet. [01:33] Gotta run. [01:33] MSA? [01:33] Mail Submission Agent (sending MTA). [01:34] or you give it a key which is valid [01:34] Mithrandir: envelope sender helps you to not get spam, or to not be marked as spam? [01:35] calc: to not get joe-jobs. [01:35] Mithrandir: ah ok [01:35] so you don't end up getting bounce spam, or at least less of it. === calc wishes webhosts would use more of this stuff [01:35] if cpanel would implement it then webhosts would just roll it out automatically === enyc just interested... not wishing to create an argument... ;-) -- if anybody had considered supporting some more modern (than bind) better-design-practices FOSS dns programs in main, e.g. pdns-recursor, nsd... ;-) [01:36] http://cpanel.net/index.html is what most webhosts (at least in the US) use for their servers [01:36] not sure about what is used internationally [01:37] Interesting you say in the US since it's developed in Russia. === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] ScottK: eh? [01:37] ScottK: they have their main office in Houston (afaik) === enyc not sure how things go main>universe and universe>main ... === Perdente [n=chatzill@75-132-33-28.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] Maybe I'm thinking of one of the others. [01:37] ScottK: saw job offers for them a few months ago === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] ScottK: it may be they have offices other places as well === ScottK remembers. It's plesk I was thinking of. === haggai [n=halls@credativ.bcnadsl.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === enyc waits ;-) [01:38] ah yea plesk is the other big competitor [01:38] enyc: I think bind9 is fine, tbh [01:38] Mithrandir: hrrm its complicated and situation-dependant ;-) really [01:39] Mithrandir: I can tell you why i dont like bind9 if you would like. or not, ;-) [01:40] enyc: I don't care deeply, but I think calling bind9 "not modern" is kinda wrong. It's in no way obsolete, it's very much used for many, many hosts and compared to the other DNS servers, lots more people know how to configure it. [01:40] enyc: There's https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pdns [01:40] but... it runs on linux which is a kind of unix which is not modern either... ;-P [01:41] lol [01:41] pdns is an ass [01:41] hiya little robot === Arrogance [n=aks@ottawa-hs-64-26-148-25.d-ip.magma.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:41] bleep :) [01:41] Mithrandir: sure.. its also "been around a long time" and hence has lots of features [01:42] Mithrandir: by "modern" I think I am thinking of the design decision sort of methodology [01:43] enyc: and your suggested replacement is? [01:43] Mithrandir: i am sure that separate recursor and authoritative is almost always the "right way" to design your dns architecture... and ''never designed'' dns tools seem to keep recursor and auth separate procceses entirely.... [01:44] ajmitch: as usual in the world there is no "right answer" for every situation ;-) [01:45] enyc: I don't see a big point in separating authorative and recursive servers. [01:45] they're 90%+-ish the same code [01:46] ajmitch: bind9 is rather less DoS prone if 'recursion' is off entirely... Also many exploits have required recursion to wkr... if you dont need views nsd works well imho ... but its only my opinion [01:47] pdns-recursor has neither the "no query restart" bind-recurisor problem nor the "try to find all the nameserver addresses before querying them" problem... and notices ICMP unrches [01:47] but there you go [01:47] long story ;-) === bingo123 [n=bingo123@72-254-59-130.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:49] Mithrandir: its usually a matter of security.. if you have a separate listen IP that is only reacable to authorized clients... stops others using your recursor to bounce "large packet replies" ... also much reduces the chance of an exploit/attach poisoning/affecting data in the "other direction" === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:50] Mithrandir: also note bind will reply (even from a SOURCE ip not allowed recursion) with anything it *knows* about... and hence you can snoop on if the other end is looking up things etc... [01:50] Mithrandir: which you may or may not care about [01:50] enyc: no, it doesn't. [01:50] enyc: if you set up your views correctly, it doesn't do that. [01:51] Mithrandir: you can setup a view with "recursion no".... [01:51] which is what you'd do for external networks [01:51] Mithrandir: how do you set it to not reply with anything non-authoritative at all? [01:51] Mithrandir: do you have an example server set as such ? [01:52] yes, but I'm firewalled out of it from my current physical location === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:54] Mithrandir: anyway...how do you setup a view such that bind9 will not actually ansower with 'anything it knows about' under 'recursion no' ? [01:54] views have different caches in modern bind9 versions [01:54] if not, split-horizon would be very hard to set up [01:55] Mithrandir: right... makes sense [01:55] iirc it was shared for a while, then I told lamont how bad an idea that was and it was fixed [01:55] dnsreport.com will tell you if you are configured way off as far as being open, etc === keescook <3 dnsreport [01:56] Mithrandir: yes... the horizon whatnot would have to be very careful about which zones have different data....... [01:56] Mithrandir: bug prone mess [01:57] hence why it makes much more sense to just not share it [01:59] Mithrandir: hrrm... i wonder if bind devs are ever going to take the 'compiled zone-data' idea of pdns+nsd+tinydns in never versions.... [01:59] Of course if you want "Only the RFCs I feel like implementing DNS", there's djbdns. [02:00] keescook: Did you see my clamav question on #ubuntu-motu? [02:00] currenly a syntax error causes (in by experience) bind to SERVFAIL queries on a zone.... rather than complaining at 'compile time' without disrupting service [02:00] but maybe theres some workaround to this i dont know about [02:00] ScottK: ;-) ... which is also not FOSS really === johanbr_ [n=j@blk-89-207-129.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:01] Well, that too. [02:01] anyway [02:01] i don't want to make advertisement... put powerdns is the one! you should throw bind out of the repository :) [02:01] i didnt really want to talk about dns for ages ;-) === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jsgotangco [n=jsg123@ubuntu/member/jsgotangco] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:03] I wanted to know if anybody had considred any of these "more modern designed" (but not so long in use) FOSS dns tools like NSD/pdnsd for main rather than univers... ive never really understood how the main>universe universe>main moves work anyway q-) [02:03] ;-) [02:03] ijuz_: I dont think anything fits all circumstaces perfuctly.... === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mpt [n=mpt@121-72-128-43.dsl.telstraclear.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] ScottK: ah, yeah, I'd go for the highest upstream version, they have other non-security updates in their micro-versions. === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.105.7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:31] Mithrandir: Can you please give back hdbc-{odbc,postgresql,sqlite3} on all archs? === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mgalvin [n=mgalvin@ubuntu/member/mgalvin] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === sharms [n=sharms@ubuntu/member/sharms] has joined #ubuntu-devel === troy_s [n=aphorism@d206-116-6-170.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nafallo_ [n=nafallo@ubuntu/member/nafallo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel [03:33] keescook: OK. 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[04:34] Morning. [04:35] Hm, afternoon. [04:35] :) [04:36] Has anybody ever struck something being synced, and then vanishing? seb128 synced r-base yesterday, but the source seems to have been eaten... === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a588:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === desrt [n=desrt@dhcp-0-20-af-d2-7c-3.cpe.mountaincable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdong [n=jdong@ubuntu/member/jdong] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hile [i=hile@hack.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === wwoods [i=wwoods@nat/redhat/session] has joined #ubuntu-devel === anibal [n=anibal@debian/developer/anibal] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:42] Something going on with libcurl3-gnutls vs libcurl4-gnutls? [04:43] yeah. it's dead. [04:43] sbalneav: Not anymore: libcurl4 is dead. [04:43] Hm [04:44] but if I try to install libcurl3, it's going to yank out all the openoffice suite [04:44] ooo has to actually build, to fix that [04:44] OOo has been FTBFSing. [04:44] As it does. [04:44] It is pure evil, but does build occasionally. [04:44] ah, ok [04:44] so ditch -4, go back to three, and OOo will come back.... [04:45] ... eventually :) [04:45] The libcurl[34] thing was a bit of a disaster... you're not meant to pull out transitions half-way, generally. [04:45] *pull out of [04:45] thanks Hobbsee, Fujitsu and persia [04:46] no problem [04:46] No problem. [04:46] np, I'm just plunking away on the ltsp specs, but I try to keep my devel box here as u [04:46] p to date as possible :) [04:47] "return to your work, citizens. All is well" === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/session] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] Fujitsu: Not our fault, though. :-/ === wwoods_ [i=wwoods@nat/redhat/session] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:49] wait. libcurl3 breaks ooo-build? [04:49] mneptok: Don't ask. [04:49] mneptok: No. OOo breaks OOo-build. === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [04:50] greetings, mneptok [04:50] It only builds when the planets are perfectly aligned, and it needs to be rebuilt for the untransition. [04:50] ok, so this is not the month to mess with mmeks :) [04:50] *mmeeks === hoora_ [i=ariel@gateway/tor/session] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mneptok coats Hobbsee in molassess and ennui [04:51] yummy! 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[09:07] every time i try to initialize it, it spits back a "VERSION 2" on the console and hangs === bryce_ [n=bryce@217.207.76.231] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] I presume it's waiting for input, actually. [09:11] that assertion seems to be right [09:11] how can it work non interactively then? === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rulus [n=rulus_|@237.77-243-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] Fujitsu: given-back [09:26] morning Mithrandir! [09:26] Mithrandir: Thanks, and morning. [09:26] morning, Hobbsee! [09:26] Mithrandir: Are you able to look at the r-base sync? It seems to have jumped into the Soyuz black hole. [09:27] Fujitsu: can it wait until I am a) out of bed, and b) at the office? [09:27] Mithrandir: Ah, of course. [09:27] heh, Mithrandir's picked up the nasty habit of IRCing from bed now? === Hobbsee wonders just how many people started doing that in spain [09:28] Hobbsee: I used to do it a long time ago, but then stopped for a while === Fujitsu does it when it's winter and it's too darn cold to not be in bed. [09:29] heh === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cynics [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-devel === BenC [i=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione [i=fabbione@nat/canonical/x-b792111838113025] has joined #ubuntu-devel === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso_ [n=luke@ppp121-44-8-43.lns4.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === huahua [n=huahua@60.20.48.206] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mathiaz [i=mathiaz@nat/canonical/x-f4b6a0dca4a6a700] has joined #ubuntu-devel === carlos [n=carlos@canonical/launchpad/carlos] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure_ [n=lure@87.119.147.254] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@cable-85.28.95.83.coditel.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mvo [i=egon@nat/canonical/x-8495eeb5128b7b93] has joined #ubuntu-devel === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128 [i=seb@nat/canonical/x-7aad4b86991a7648] has joined #ubuntu-devel === seb128_ [i=seb@nat/canonical/x-9490123838c2c3e4] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti_ [i=pitti@nat/canonical/x-a0da9c15a363cdc9] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] pitti_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/125400 [10:19] Launchpad bug 125400 in openoffice.org "[MASTER] package openoffice.org-common 2.2.1-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Confirmed] === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:20] seb128: Any idea what went wrong with bug #124816? [10:20] Launchpad bug 124816 in r-base "Please sync r-base (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/124816 === pitti_ is now known as pitti [10:21] Fujitsu: looking [10:22] morning seb128, pitti [10:22] seb128: Thanks. [10:22] hey Hobbsee [10:22] hey Hobbsee [10:22] Morning pitti. [10:22] Morning pitti. [10:23] pitti: Can I stea^Wborrow some of your time for NBS'ing a bunch of stuff? [10:23] StevenK: sure [10:24] StevenK: I just gave back d-i, once that built, I can kill all the 2.6.22-7 stuff [10:24] Ah, cool. [10:24] pitti: Firstly, I have dealt with libflac++5, so it can be killed. [10:25] die libflac++5, die! [10:25] pitti: I was going to get you to kill everything that's empty on NBS/, but that can wait until d-i is built. === Mithrandir chews libflac++5's leg [10:25] mmm, software [10:25] Mithrandir: Yummy. [10:25] not as good as brains, but still quite good [10:25] Mithrandir: i thought there was real food in london... [10:25] Braaaaaains [10:25] mmmmmm.....brains..... [10:25] *eyes turn red* [10:25] Hobbsee: there is === Fujitsu runs. [10:26] Mithrandir: just that you still want to eat libflac++5's leg too === Hobbsee spears Fujitsu with the Long Pointy Stick of DOOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [10:26] Aw... [10:26] pitti: Secondly, I've done everything I can for libflac7, but ecasound and scummvm are still listed as deps for ia64 - this is due to ghostscript SEGV'ing on ia64 and causing the build to fail - do I/we care? [10:27] pitti: And mythmusic is on sparc, due to mythtv now appearing in P-a-s and being excluded on sparc. === dholbach [i=daniel@nat/canonical/x-318cf2c1c01d7188] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] morning dholbach === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:28] hi Hobbsee === Keybuk [i=scott@nat/canonical/x-c2853da4747e4adc] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [i=adilson@nat/canonical/x-f87620c22b2be3be] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:34] Thanks seb128 (I presume) [10:34] StevenK: so we need to remove mythtv from sparc? [10:34] Fujitsu: you're welcome, I don't know why it didn't work yesterday [10:35] pitti: Presumably. I'm not certain why it was added. [10:37] pitti: d-i just failed to build on all arches. [10:38] again? [10:38] Yup. The latest try was 13 minutes ago. [10:38] fabbione: ^ [10:38] Building dependency tree... [10:38] E: Couldn't find package ubuntu-modules-2.6.22-8-generic-di [10:38] make[7] : *** [stamps/get_udebs-netboot-stamp] Error 100 [10:38] aah, I just newed that [10:38] not on all arches, though [10:38] pitti: did you new ubuntu-mods? [10:38] eh ok [10:38] Why was -image NEWed when -ubuntu-modules wasn't? [10:39] Fujitsu: lum b-deps on the headers [10:39] Oh, I didn't realise it was a separate source. [10:39] pitti: sorry i thought you already NEW?ed lum stuff [10:39] fabbione: however, i386 lum is still missing [10:39] pitti: mind to ride the beast? [10:39] fabbione: I think BenC is at it [10:39] pitti: uh?... [10:40] Tonio_: ok thanks ... will clean a bit up and upload then [10:40] pitti: i am in the other room, can you poke Ben? [10:40] fabbione: it's not lum that's the problem [10:40] the xen custom binary in linux-source-2.6.22 didn't build for some reason [10:40] feh [10:40] so it?s another kernel upload? [10:42] pitti: how painful is it for you to still let the sparc installer to build once lum is in? [10:42] fabbione: not at all [10:42] pitti: there is a kernel feature i need to test in combo with the installer [10:42] pitti: that?d be lovely [10:42] pitti: thanks [10:44] fabbione: What's eating your quotes? === XimDev [n=ximox@41.196.160.230] has joined #ubuntu-devel === XimDev [n=ximox@41.196.160.230] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180070172.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === bryce_ [i=bryce@nat/canonical/x-d7a22ee60d502c31] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siti [n=siti@clix-jaquesmartin-nz.cpe.clix.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc [i=ccheney@nat/canonical/x-a675a2aaf4817ea6] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:55] Fujitsu: ? [10:55] calc: OOPS, YOU BROKE IT!!!! [10:56] Hobbsee: eh? [10:56] calc: you currently have 13 dupes. [10:56] Hobbsee: what did i break? [10:56] calc: what you uploaded. [10:57] hmm what i uploaded was just a small fix for what doko previously uploaded the day before, bug #? [10:57] Setter opp openoffice.org-common (2.2.1-5ubuntu2) ... [10:57] Updating OpenOffice.org's dictionary list... done. [10:57] No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/locolor'. [10:57] If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index. [10:57] dpkg: Feil ved behandling av openoffice.org-common (--configure): [10:57] Mithrandir: yeah, that's the one [10:57] you failed to test your change. Bad calc! [10:57] :-P [10:57] Mithrandir: i think that is "fixed" now by a new debhelper upload [10:57] Mithrandir: it installs on my box just tried this morning === calc thinks dh_iconcache might have been buggy [10:58] uh, debhelper isn't going to change what's in the archive already. [10:58] hmm yea that is true, so why did it work for me? :\ [10:58] and this is from about 30 minutes ago [10:59] ii openoffice.org-common 2.2.1-5ubuntu2 OpenOffice.org office suite architecture ind [10:59] installed fine on this box === ajmitch should probably rigourously test coreutils before uploading this evening [10:59] got to run to the distro meeting, bbl === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gman [i=gman@nat/sun/x-c08bb9552fc69082] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] calc: amd64 retry worked, btw \o/ [11:03] calc: I retried it on powerpc [11:04] asac: please do ;) === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:04] asac: I can't be sure to have tested everything, but switching between several networks, using wep or wpa, rebooting, and performing an openvpn connection works like a charm [11:05] asac: I just hope there is not a hidden regression I missed === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Watersevenub [n=Watersev@azevedo.astro.up.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] Tonio_: Tonio_ ok uploaded [11:24] Tonio_: branch is updated as well === pygi [n=mario@155-69.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] seb128, around? [11:27] pygi: sort of, in the middle of a meeting, just ask your question ;) [11:27] seb128, ah, everyone's in the meeting, I'll bug later then === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === |cerbero| [n=jga@pD9E62B6A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:30] pygi: just ask [11:30] seb128, I need sponsoring :) [11:30] pygi: I might reply now if that's a quick one [11:30] k, so for later ;) [11:30] hehe, indeed [11:30] pygi: what for? [11:30] Hobbsee, brasero [11:31] Hobbsee, working on k3b as we speak [11:31] neat [11:34] pitti: could you run the NBS update now? [11:34] Hobbsee, you'r gonna sponsor that, righ? === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] pygi: i think there's dinner, adn i dont know anything about brasero codebase. [11:35] Hobbsee, I thought k3b ^_^ [11:35] ah right [11:35] should do. Tonio_'s also around [11:36] seb128: yep [11:36] pitti: danke [11:39] pygi: good point, debian k3b maintainer is okay to merge all my packaging changes and switch to cdbs :) [11:39] pygi: we'll probably maintain it together now [11:40] Tonio_, rok on :) [11:40] rock* [11:40] Tonio_, so I'm useless from now on :) [11:42] Tonio_, if you want tho, I can still help around :) [11:43] pygi: sure :) [11:43] Tonio_: rock on! [11:43] pygi: that means you can still patch the debian package. nothing wrong there [11:43] Tonio_, yay! [11:44] Hobbsee, I know, I know, but still ... :) [11:44] :) [11:44] go on [11:44] patch 111! === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:50] Hobbsee, Tonio_ : who wants the debdiff and how? Mail? [11:50] Tonio_: does. [11:50] i need to actually get my butt into gear and do stuff like a resume. [11:50] and dinner [11:51] Hobbsee, oki [11:51] Tonio_, poke [11:51] :) === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hjmf [n=hjmf@186.Red-81-32-9.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:53] superm1: if you're using debconf.py in a context where there might not be a frontend already running, you need to call debconf.runFrontEnd() at the top of your script [11:54] morning cjwatson [11:55] keescook: don't forget strigi :) === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee watches the dupe count rise [11:57] morning [11:58] yay, people who clearly havent heard of the search button === munckfish [n=munckfis@217.150.115.62] has joined #ubuntu-devel === btse [n=BTSE@c83-253-253-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:10] seb128: NBS done, btw [12:10] hey pitti [12:11] pitti: yeah, I've noticed, the list ist shorter now [12:11] hi pygi === hjmf [n=hjmf@186.Red-81-32-9.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:17] pygi: where is the brasero package to sponsor? [12:17] seb128, persia is on it now, I assigned the ubuntu-universe-sponsors [12:17] subscribed* [12:17] pygi: ok, good [12:17] Tonio_, k3b is subscribed to u-m-s === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Zdra [n=zdra@10.162-247-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:34] back [12:34] pitti: thanks! :) === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === calc built a new chroot to see if ooo fails to install a second time === illovae_ [n=illovae@unaffiliated/illovae] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:38] dholbach: i have a freshly built chroot than installed ooo fine, and shows no errors, not sure if you are interested in looking at the machine? [12:38] s/than/that/ [12:38] calc: does /usr/share/icons/locolor contain anything? [12:38] calc: which version of debhelper was used in that build chroot? [12:39] no index.theme [12:39] neither does /usr/share/icons/gnome though [12:39] actually for that matter neither does hicolor [12:39] calc: might be interesting to see if the .postinst files contain dh_icons or dh_iconcache [12:39] none of the three have an index.theme [12:39] you don't have {hicolor,gnome}-icon-theme installed? [12:40] # Automatically added by dh_icons [12:40] if which gtk-update-icon-cache >/dev/null 2>&1; then [12:40] for dir in /usr/share/icons/hicolor /usr/share/icons/locolor /usr/share/icons/gnome; do [12:40] gtk-update-icon-cache --force --quiet "$dir" [12:40] done [12:40] fi [12:40] # End automatically added section [12:40] icon-themes are not installed [12:40] i did a fresh chroot and just did an apt-get install openoffice.org [12:40] right, that's why - kubuntu does not seem to want to install them [12:40] ahhh!!! [12:40] huh? [12:41] you don't have libgtk2.0-bin installed [12:41] so you don't have gtk-update-icon-cache [12:41] if which gtk-update-icon-cache >/dev/null 2>&1; then [12:41] ^ FALSE [12:41] oh, oops! [12:41] :-) [12:41] there you go [12:41] should there be some kind of replacement dep in control so that gets added automatically? [12:41] no no [12:42] ok [12:42] the icon cache is only of use for gnome / xfce (people who use gtk) [12:42] i'll retry with libgtk2.0-bin installed and see how it goes [12:42] so kde people don't need libgtk2.0-bin installed [12:42] ok === drekko [n=drekko@xs00301fw1.x-source.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jono [i=jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:50] yipee i made openoffice not install on my test system too! :) [12:50] now i need the Contents files for the whole repo so i can look through them for locolor stuff === cain_ [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [i=adilson@nat/canonical/x-f5e75702743d5b63] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:55] calc: why on earth is openoffice using locolor? === sommer [n=sommer@192.154.64.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach [i=daniel@nat/canonical/x-1f7d5d6d6dd8ddb2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === svolpe_gerrath [n=Gerrath_@unaffiliated/gerrath] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nags [n=nags@125.16.129.16] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Linux] [01:17] pitti: If you're waiting for the kernel/d-i stuff to get sorted out being cleaning out NBS, could you at least kick parrot and glew out of NEW? === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jenny1 [n=jenny1@61-229-185-191.dynamic.hinet.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === agoliveira [i=adilson@nat/canonical/x-8619eb9e6932ffc7] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === siretart [i=siretart@tauware.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Spads [n=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=knightlu@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Trewas [n=ilonen@raato.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zenrox [i=zenrox@pool-71-115-210-186.spknwa.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syp| [n=syp@lasigpc9.epfl.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mat [n=mat@igoan/mat] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Riddelll [n=jr@jasmine.wyrdweb.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zul [n=chuck@CPE0006258ec6c1-CM000a73655d0e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:37] pitti: could you please tell apport so use a sane webbrowser? I use epiphany as default and it tries to use firefox. [01:37] pitti: which doesn't respond since my LA is currently VERY high. [01:38] so you miss out on bugreports atm ;-) [01:38] hm, I thought I fixed that ages ago [01:39] Nafallo: gconftool --get /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/http/command [01:39] Nafallo: ^ for you? [01:40] Nafallo: it starts that one if it exists [01:41] epiphany --new-tab %s [01:41] Nafallo: what does "gnome-open http://www.ubuntu.com" do for you? [01:41] Oh, drat. qa.debian.org is down because Fort Collins is off the Intraweb [01:42] pitti: new tab in epiphany [01:43] Nafallo: hmm [01:43] Nafallo: it's supposed to use that [01:44] well. it isn't === pitti [i=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === luisbg [n=luisbg@189.Red-88-24-79.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Pricey [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:57] pygi: yes, please don't merge it [01:58] pygi: as I said, k3b will merge ubuntu changes in the next days, so please don't sync with debian [02:01] Tonio_, I wasn't merging with debian? [02:01] I just created a patch for k3b ubuntu-specific [02:02] mvo: i get /usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Can't load plugin 'ccp' because it is built for ABI version 20070606 and actual version is 20070706 [02:03] Riddell, replacing kwin ? :) [02:03] ogra: trying to [02:03] wow, really ? === ogra wasnt serious [02:04] ogra: not by default, but I want compiz/kde integration to be nice and smooth [02:04] cool ! === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:09] Heh, I can't help with problems like that === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:16] openoffice.org-common does not install here. [02:16] hunger: its known [02:16] gnomefreak: Great, then I do not need to use launchpad;-) [02:17] hunger: assuming you are on gutsy ;) [02:18] Riddell: right, it needs later compiz-fusion-plugins-main, those are build now, should be available shortly === nnonix [n=brad@bkjohnson.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:21] mvo: they are available already i think [02:21] yep === xxxxx1 [n=xxxxx1@44125.static.fln.virtua.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-devel === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:24] fabbione: d-i/sparc is happy, btw === Hobbsee wonders if this openoffice bug will end up having mroe dupes than the dapper security X breakage bug ever did [02:24] one thing's for sure - we need auto duping! [02:25] Hobbsee: right, no autoduping for package install failures yet [02:25] pitti: damn [02:25] pitti: 29 dupes. [02:25] Niiice [02:25] Hobbsee: 29 for each package, or 29 total? [02:25] Hobbsee: Bug number? [02:26] Fujitsu: bug 125400 [02:26] Launchpad bug 125400 in openoffice.org "[MASTER] package openoffice.org-common 2.2.1-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125400 [02:26]