[12:32] <tgm4883> superm1, regarding the lircrc file
[12:33] <superm1> yea
[12:33] <tgm4883> ideally, would we want to have the user select their own button configuration, or have some sort of standard configuration?
[12:33] <superm1> standard i'd say
[12:33] <superm1> is the best way
[12:33] <OpenMedia> For some remotes there should be reasonable standards.
[12:34] <superm1> see thats part of the problem
[12:34] <superm1> there is that effort
[12:34] <superm1> to standardize the namespace
[12:34] <superm1> and i talked to Arnaud about it today
[12:34] <OpenMedia> tgm4883: We make sure all the funky custom keys behave correctly - http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/27/59/
[12:34] <superm1> and i'm still pretty worried about things being ready in time
[12:35] <foxbuntu> openMedia, thats my remote
[12:35] <foxbuntu> :)
[12:35] <OpenMedia> Want a customer lirc file that maps the keys like this?
[12:36] <tgm4883> could we do something along the lines of implementing this in some form?  lircconfig.commandir.com
[12:36] <superm1> tgm4883, that's who i was speaking with this morning about it
[12:36] <tgm4883> ah
[12:36] <superm1> and he joined with Arnaud to help with the standardization of the name space
[12:36] <foxbuntu> sure
[12:36] <tgm4883> ah
[12:36] <superm1> ah he is leader of Ubuntu Media Center
[12:37] <superm1> if everything doesn't play out in time, we will have to fall back to prebuilt configs for a variety of "popular" remotes
[12:37] <superm1> in which case OpenMedia, yours will be very appreciated
[12:38] <superm1> but the UMC team is very friendly, they will be using some of the work i put into making lirc work, and anything that we want a hand on they are willing to help
[12:38] <superm1> with other common areas
[12:38] <superm1> since there will undoubtedly be some
[12:38] <superm1> but given what time frame we're in right now, and how much I know has to get in yet, someone needs to start on Daviey's control centre idea
[12:39] <foxbuntu> superm1, where did you get your programmable mce remote?
[12:39] <superm1> foxbuntu, um bby?
[12:39] <superm1> i think
[12:39] <foxbuntu> hmm
[12:39] <foxbuntu> guess i will look around
[12:39] <tgm4883> got mine on ebay
[12:39] <tgm4883> for about $30 after shipping
[12:40] <tgm4883> great remote ;)
[12:40] <foxbuntu> ok...I am tired of the extra remotes
[12:40] <superm1> it's only 3 programmable buttons
[12:40] <tgm4883> Yea, it's not a whole lot.
[12:40] <foxbuntu> thats ok...tv, and audio are good with me
[12:41] <superm1> i still keep my other two remotes around
[12:41] <superm1> so i can switch video sources
[12:41] <foxbuntu> yea
[12:41] <superm1> since my ir transmitter doesn't work on my tv
[12:41] <tgm4883> just make sure if you have a 360 to turn off the MCE remote function
[12:41] <superm1> and since my serial cable didn't work the first time around, and i haven't had time to retry it
[12:41] <foxbuntu> but I am tired of finding the other remotes for turning the tv on and adjusting volume
[12:42] <superm1> foxbuntu, you could always get any other brand of learning remote too
[12:42] <superm1> and use it
[12:42] <superm1> it doesn't have to be that mceusb2 one
[12:42] <superm1> just teach it the mceusb2 codes
[12:42] <foxbuntu> but isnt the mceusb2 remote easiest to deal with in lirc?
[12:42] <tgm4883> or any JP1 remote should work
[12:43] <superm1> foxbuntu, you can use a universal that learns the mceusb2 codes
[12:43] <superm1> if you wanted to
[12:43] <tgm4883> it's not actually the remote, just the codes
[12:43] <foxbuntu> oh...you mean get a learning universal and teach it my lirc remote and then add my other devices to it
[12:43] <tgm4883> if you could get your eyes to transmit the mceusb2 codes
[12:43] <superm1> OpenMedia, did you have anything else you wanted to add towards mythtv/mythplugins during my next update, or are you guys good?
[12:44] <superm1> right foxbuntu
[12:44] <foxbuntu> gotcha
[12:44] <foxbuntu> hmm
[12:44] <foxbuntu> could be a good time to buy a stupidly overkill remote for my system
[12:45] <tgm4883> I think there is a pretty nice logitech learning remote for around 100
[12:45] <superm1> harmony
[12:45] <tgm4883> yep
[12:45] <superm1> its a very neat remote
[12:45] <superm1> i got it for my dad for xmas
[12:45] <superm1> last year
[12:45] <tgm4883> thats what all the 360 people talk about
[12:45] <superm1> but the problem is that you need to program it on a windows box
[12:45] <tgm4883> :(
[12:46] <tgm4883> Is it a JP1 remote?
[12:46] <superm1> i'm not sure what jp1 is
[12:46] <tgm4883> sec
[12:47] <tgm4883> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP1_remote
[12:47] <foxbuntu> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=80-100-712-11.jpg%2c80-100-712-02.jpg%2c80-100-712-03.jpg%2c80-100-712-05.jpg%2c80-100-712-06.jpg%2c80-100-712-07.jpg%2c80-100-712-08.jpg%2c80-100-712-09.jpg%2c80-100-712-10.jpg&CurImage=80-100-712-11.jpg&Depa=10&Description=Logitech+Harmony+880+Universal+Infrared+Advanced+Remote+Control+-+Retail
[12:48] <superm1> foxbuntu, thats one of the nicer ones
[12:48] <superm1> you dont need to go that overkill
[12:48] <OpenMedia> superm1 I was going to donate the packaged up version of the myth-webremote package, but had a bit of a busy week.
[12:49] <superm1> OpenMedia, ah okay
[12:49] <superm1> well that would likely go in a sep. package for the time being either way
[12:49] <superm1> until a patch was made to link directly into mythweb
[12:49] <superm1> tgm4883, i dont believe it was jp1
[12:49] <superm1> the harmony
[12:49] <tgm4883> im thinking its not
[12:50] <superm1> because i read some problem a guy had on digg with getting logitech to budge on spcs
[12:50] <foxbuntu> superm1, please boot your otherself...it annoying in tab complete
[12:50] <tgm4883> you would notice 6 little prongs when you open the battery compartment
[12:50] <foxbuntu> :)
[12:50] <superm1> foxbuntu, i'm the first tab complete
[12:50] <superm1> not the second
[12:50] <superm1> it should be easy
[12:50] <foxbuntu> but it makes me use a space after it becuase its there
[12:51] <superm1> tgm4883, this looks like neat stuff
[12:51] <superm1> so you can make macros on cheapo remotes
[12:51] <foxbuntu> superm1, that remote is only what...$200
[12:52] <foxbuntu> lol
[12:52] <tgm4883> yea the jp1 stuff is pretty nice
[12:52] <OpenMedia> superm1 I have a package for myPVR that just want a couple of tweaks. Still haven't had time to read the whole REVU process anyway
[12:52] <tgm4883> if you don't want to spend $$$
[12:53] <superm1> OpenMedia, well if you don't want to go through the whole submitting process, i'll package it up and submit it with you listed as the author in debian/copyright and just put the maintainer as this mailing list (ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com, so anyone on the list could comment on issues with it)
[12:57] <foxbuntu> there ya go tgm4883 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=80-118-001-02.jpg%2c80-118-001-03.jpg&CurImage=80-118-001-02.jpg&Depa=10&Description=SONY+RM-VL600+Universal+Infrared+Universal+Learning+Remote+Control+-+Retail
[12:57] <foxbuntu> super cheapo JP1 it looks like
[12:58] <superm1> crazyness
[12:58] <foxbuntu> hmm
[12:59] <foxbuntu> I found one that seems to be a good buy
[12:59] <foxbuntu> with macro control
[12:59] <foxbuntu> for about 95
[01:00] <tgm4883> yea, theres my remote
[01:00] <tgm4883> good stuff
[01:06] <OpenMedia> superm1 Thanks for the offer, I'll see how I do this weekend, but I'd like to have a good at submitting.
[01:07] <superm1> OpenMedia, alright, i'll give some advice before -motu does after you've got it on revu if you want too then
[02:50] <superm1> hey RAOF
[02:54] <RAOF> Hey
[02:55] <RAOF> superm1: So, that worked.  Kinda.
[02:55] <superm1> RAOF, gdm issues likely
[02:55] <superm1> ?
[02:55] <superm1> i know post alpha2, some issues developed that need to be addressed
[02:55] <RAOF> Nah.  I ran into bug #118539
[02:55] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 118539 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[regression]  acx does not load" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/118539
[02:56] <RAOF> Also, no LVM on the live disk :(
[02:56] <superm1> oh well go bug cjwatson about no LVM :)
[02:57] <superm1> okay so nothing thats too much of our faults then :)
[02:58] <RAOF> Bah
[02:59] <RAOF> I do have one comment that is your fault, though: The gtk theme makes it *very* difficult to tell whether or not a checkbox is selected.
[03:00] <superm1> Yes someone has already commented that
[03:00] <superm1> foxbuntu, ^^ :)
[03:01] <superm1> it also causes a few oddities with FF
[03:01] <RAOF> Oh, didn't notice that.
[03:02] <RAOF> Would an "alternate" cd be possible, with LVM support?  Mythtv really is a killer app for LVM
[03:03] <superm1> well starting with 0.21 LVM won't matter
[03:03] <superm1> with the introduction of storage groups
[03:03] <superm1> and as Daviey pointed out the target for 0.21
[03:03] <RAOF> So they're implementing some of LVM's functionality into mythtv?
[03:03] <superm1> we're going to delay release until after 0.21
[03:04] <superm1> so if its a month or two after gutsy, it will be a month or two after gutsy :)
[03:04] <superm1> storage groups lets you set multiple recording locations
[03:04] <RAOF> Ah.
[03:04] <superm1> without tying you down to making them be on a continuous set of space
[03:05] <superm1> so you could have one mount point be a NFS server
[03:05] <superm1> one hard drive
[03:05] <superm1> and then add an additional hard drive to the box
[03:05] <superm1> without needing to expand anything, just add the new mount point to mythtv-setup
[03:05] <RAOF> Ok, so it's not just a poor-man's lvm :)
[03:06] <superm1> na, its supposed to be somewhat decent :)
[03:06] <superm1> laga could comment more since he is a trunk fella
[03:06] <superm1> if he is around
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, did you see the latest feature request?
[03:12] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, where at?
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> feature miguel
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/miguel
[03:12] <tgm4883_laptop> i read that and i was like wtf?
[03:13] <superm1> right...
[03:13] <superm1> okay well i'll nuke that
[03:13] <tgm4883_laptop> ok
[03:19] <tgm4883_laptop> also, i was looking at the nfs-shares spec, and wondered if there should be a samba-shares spec also?  Or are we assuming that most people seting up mythbuntu run only linux?
[03:19] <superm1> well samba is setup  if they ask for it in the installer right now
[03:20] <superm1> some of those specs are partially implemented in the installer
[03:20] <tgm4883_laptop> it auto detects samba shares?
[03:20] <tgm4883_laptop> ah ok
[03:20] <superm1> i should probably go through and update them accordingly
[03:20] <superm1> well it automatically shares them
[03:21] <superm1> eg it checks what plugins you have installed
[03:21] <superm1> and makes shares for those
[03:21] <tgm4883_laptop> wait im confused, does it share local files on the myth box, or connect to shares on another box?
[03:22] <foxbuntu> I was thinking on the lircrc thing...isn't that pretty generic, just includes the lirc.conf?
[03:22] <tgm4883_laptop> crap, gotta run, back in 45
[03:22] <superm1> well the problem is that lircrc's need to adapt to the 100s of possible configs
[03:23] <foxbuntu> but just the same the signal and main buttons is all you would have to consider right?
[03:23] <foxbuntu> all the generics
[03:23] <foxbuntu> play, stop, pause ect ect
[03:23] <superm1> well those would be the most important
[03:23] <superm1> but there is still a trouble
[03:23] <superm1> different lircd.conf's
[03:24] <superm1> use Play
[03:24] <superm1> or play
[03:24] <superm1> or PLAY_UP
[03:24] <superm1> or PLAY_en
[03:24] <superm1> etc
[03:24] <superm1> tons of different varieties
[03:24] <foxbuntu> couldnt you parse that somehow...reas it in and generate a consitant lirc.conf?
[03:24] <foxbuntu> read*
[03:25] <foxbuntu> so that Play = play
[03:25] <foxbuntu> ect
[03:25] <superm1> well thats part of what the RemoteControls spec talks about
[03:25] <superm1> a standard namespace
[03:25] <foxbuntu> oh
[03:25] <superm1> if the namespace is standardized, then you can get around that
[03:25] <superm1> and easily generate these configs
[03:26] <foxbuntu> but that is not looking to happen in time for gusty release either is it
[03:26] <superm1> well its looking to happen upstream,
[03:26] <superm1> i'm not sure on an eta
[03:26] <superm1> foxbuntu, and upstream doesn't really have a "schedule"
[03:27] <superm1> so it makes for trouble
[03:28] <foxbuntu> well like I was saying, in the mean time wouldn't it just be easier to generate a parser to standardize the namespace for MythBuntu's use?
[03:28] <superm1> well i'm not sure how difficult that would be
[03:28] <superm1> if its possible
[03:28] <superm1> then that is a very good idea
[03:28] <superm1> you can look in /usr/share/lirc/remotes
[03:29] <superm1> to see the lircd.confs that need to be standardized
[03:29] <foxbuntu> well, it couldn't be that hard because you only have to look for key words
[03:29] <foxbuntu> and output a standard forma
[03:29] <foxbuntu> t
[03:30] <superm1> well feel free to take a look :)
[03:31] <foxbuntu> say the standard is "play" look for the indescriminate of play and find Play or Play_en and change it to "play" and drag in all of he codes beyond the whitespace
[03:31] <foxbuntu> ok ok
[03:32] <foxbuntu> I will see about a parser...I recently put something similar together for work
[03:32] <foxbuntu> but that was vb script
[03:34] <foxbuntu> I think you should try my MySQL memory settings out on your backend and see if you want to drag them into the build...they are working great
[03:35] <superm1> foxbuntu, well parsing is easy in perl or python
[03:35] <superm1> so either of those are the way to go
[03:35] <foxbuntu> ok...I will bug you for help with those then
[03:35] <superm1> such a standardization might even be doable with sh/awk/grep/sed/tee
[03:44] <foxbuntu> uh
[03:44] <foxbuntu> explain
[03:48] <foxbuntu> this could get intresting
[03:52] <superm1> sed is a fun utility for text manipulation among many files
[03:53] <superm1> i'm not sure the most appropriate way to do this though
[03:54] <foxbuntu> I was thinking rather than stardinzing the namespace in the lirc.conf, why not just grab the code names and drop them into he lircrc on the fly
[03:54] <superm1> there is no lirc.conf
[03:54] <superm1> what do you mean?
[03:54] <superm1> lircd.conf?
[03:55] <foxbuntu> yea
[03:55] <superm1> well that probably is more feasible
[03:55] <foxbuntu> sry, something wrong with my keyboard
[03:55] <superm1> at least in the interim until the namespace is finalized
[03:55] <superm1> it would likely do the trick
[03:56] <superm1> would need a list of what possibilities are there right nwo though
[03:56] <foxbuntu> because...no matter the format...they all have "begin codes"
[03:56] <foxbuntu> and "end codes"
[03:57] <foxbuntu> and only read the line until whitespace is inncurred
[03:58] <foxbuntu> or read the entire line and then drop all whitespace and 0x and beyond
[03:58] <superm1> i'm thinking more and more this is doable in python
[03:58] <superm1> using regular expressions
[03:58] <superm1> for the common buttons
[03:58] <superm1> not for sure though
[03:59] <foxbuntu> its going to take some tweaking...to get everything we need and to covert it as needed
[04:01] <superm1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29605/
[04:01] <superm1> that is how i parse the lirc.hwdb
[04:01] <superm1> if you want to use it for a basis to get an idea of how to parse a few files
[04:01] <superm1> and put examples in
[04:04] <foxbuntu> ok
[04:04] <foxbuntu> and this is perl
[04:05] <foxbuntu> ?
[04:05] <superm1> python
[04:05] <foxbuntu> ok
[04:06] <foxbuntu> so just paste it to a text editior and save as .py?
[04:06] <superm1> yes
[04:06] <superm1> i spelled the top line wrong
[04:06] <superm1> it should be import
[04:06] <superm1> not mport
[04:06] <superm1> just copied and pasted poorly
[04:06] <superm1> but you can get an idea to biuld from with that
[04:06] <superm1> how to filter files
[04:07] <superm1> for certain expressions
[04:07] <foxbuntu> yea, I see here you were reading on semi colan delimerter
[04:08] <superm1> well that was breaking a file into fields
[04:08] <superm1> you likely wouldn't need to do that
[04:08] <superm1> but more so just try to figure out which variant of a regex a line has
[04:08] <superm1> and cut off the end of it
[04:09] <superm1> after the text with the name
[04:09] <foxbuntu> k
[04:09] <foxbuntu> let me switch over to my over lappy
[04:09] <superm1> probably take a lircd.conf as a basis and see if you can do such things
[04:09] <foxbuntu> brb
[04:11] <foxbuntu> superm1, what is the xchat package for ubuntu?
[04:12] <superm1> um xchat?
[04:12] <foxbuntu> this app
[04:12] <foxbuntu> for irc
[04:12] <foxbuntu> x-chat
[04:12] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:12] <superm1> like i said
[04:12] <superm1> xchat
[04:12] <foxbuntu> i got it there
[04:13] <foxbuntu> misunderstand the ?
[04:14] <superm1> you do know that if you clicked add/remove programs and typed "xchat"
[04:14] <superm1> it comes up as one of two hits :)
[04:14] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:14] <foxbuntu> see i am always using apt or synaptic
[04:15] <superm1> you can do it there too
[04:15] <superm1> you just don't get a flashy icon to associate it with
[04:15] <foxbuntu> the 2.6.22 kernel is so much better at memory handling
[04:15] <superm1> i heard something regarding that
[04:15] <superm1> thats good to hear :)
[04:15] <foxbuntu> my lappy is much happier now
[04:15] <foxbuntu> it boots prob at least 10 secs faster
[04:16] <foxbuntu> same on shutdown
[04:16] <superm1> well that's likely not because of memory, but because of improvements in upstart
[04:16] <superm1> but nonetheless good to hear
[04:16] <foxbuntu> yea
[04:17] <foxbuntu> its down to using ~180MB of ram in normal use now too
[04:17] <foxbuntu> was almost 210 before
[04:18] <foxbuntu> brb
[04:21] <tgm4883_laptop> does mytharchive actually produce an ISO if told to do so?
[04:21] <superm1> should
[04:22] <foxbuntu_> superm1: isnt there a way to have all the users shown on the side like Windows does?
[04:22] <superm1> any user with an id > 1000 will show up
[04:22] <foxbuntu_> I mean so I dont have to click on the users button to see them
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> doesn't seem to be for me
[04:22] <tgm4883_laptop> where would it be stored
[04:23] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, the temporary build directory
[04:23] <superm1> foxbuntu_, well i don't know what you are referring to
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[04:23] <tgm4883_laptop> not working for me at all
[04:23] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, check the log
[04:24] <superm1> it will tell you where it is being put
[04:24] <tgm4883_laptop> is there a different log that i should check besides onscreen?
[04:24] <superm1> that log and a more detailed one are put in the same place
[04:24] <foxbuntu_> superm1: in xchat there is a button in the lower left that says "20 Users" and when you click on it it shows you who...
[04:24] <foxbuntu_> but in the windows client ithey are just in a panel on the right
[04:25] <superm1> oh drag the right panel
[04:25] <superm1> over
[04:25] <superm1> thats how i have mine
[04:25] <superm1> there are a ton of settings to customize in it
[04:26] <foxbuntu_> well I drag it to the edge of the screen and its not there
[04:26] <superm1> well i dont know where the setting for it is then
[04:26] <superm1> there is a setting though
[04:26] <superm1> because i have it on
[04:26] <superm1> and i can just drag my panel over
[04:26] <superm1> and the users are listed
[04:27] <foxbuntu_> crap
[04:27] <foxbuntu_> I can't seem to find it
[04:31] <superm1> foxbuntu_, Preferences->User List->Resizable User list
[04:32] <foxbuntu_> I dont have the user list option
[04:32] <foxbuntu_> i suppose I grabbed the wrong one of the two
[04:33] <foxbuntu_> crap cakes...
[04:33] <foxbuntu_> I will brb
[04:36] <foxbuntu> ahh..much better
[04:37] <foxbuntu> superm1, now..as for that pastebin link...send it again so I have it on the right machine
[04:37] <superm1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29605/
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> ah that would explain it
[04:38] <tgm4883_laptop> no space left on device
[04:38] <superm1> :)
[04:40] <ubotu> New bug: #125384 in lirc (main) "Lirc GPIO module not buildable on 2.6.22 kernel" [Undecided,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125384
[04:49] <foxbuntu> superm1, is there an easy way to copy the text from an ssh session where I am using nano to my text editor?
[04:50] <superm1> highlight it and then middle click paste
[04:50] <foxbuntu> one screen at a time?
[04:50] <superm1> cat it ?
[04:50] <superm1> and highlight the whole thing
[04:51] <superm1> and middle click paste
[04:54] <tgm4883_laptop> :(
[04:54] <tgm4883_laptop> my system is not being friendly to me right onw
[04:55] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, you going to be around for a little bit?
[04:56] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, yup just wrapping up that lirc patch
[04:56] <tgm4883_laptop> GDM could not write to your authorization file.  This could mean that you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing.  in any case, it is not possible to log in.  Please contact your system administrator.
[04:57] <superm1> sounds like a full disk
[04:57] <superm1> you might have to login as single user mode
[04:57] <superm1> and clean up
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> it shouldnt be though
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> thomas@mertle:~$ free
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop>              total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> Mem:        963420     310668     652752          0      37624     191272
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> -/+ buffers/cache:      81772     881648
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> Swap:      1951888          0    1951888
[04:57] <tgm4883_laptop> wait
[04:58] <superm1> not free memory
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> i feel dumb posting that
[04:58] <superm1> free disk space
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> my bad
[04:58] <tgm4883_laptop> whats the command for disk space?
[04:59] <foxbuntu> superm1, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29607/ errors from pasting that code
[04:59] <superm1> foxbuntu, you must have pasted something funny then
[05:00] <superm1> whitespace matters
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yep looks full
[05:00] <superm1> in python
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> /dev/hda1              9614116   9125708        36 100% /
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> varrun                  481708        60    481648   1% /var/run
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> varlock                 481708         0    481708   0% /var/lock
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> procbususb              481708        84    481624   1% /proc/bus/usb
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> udev                    481708        84    481624   1% /dev
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> devshm                  481708         0    481708   0% /dev/shm
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> lrm                     481708     38972    442736   9% /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/volatile
[05:00] <tgm4883_laptop> /dev/hda3            378858304 280871480  97986824  75% /var/lib
[05:00] <superm1> !pastebin | tgm4883_laptop
[05:00] <ubotu> tgm4883_laptop: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[05:00] <superm1> :)
[05:01] <foxbuntu> yea...geez...thats like something foxbuntu would do
[05:01] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:02] <foxbuntu> superm1, the only thing different from where I pasted it I changed mport to import
[05:02] <foxbuntu> and the file name that it points at
[05:03] <superm1> you copied the raw text from pastebin?
[05:03] <superm1> or from the html page
[05:04] <foxbuntu> oh
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> crap
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> I see the problem now
[05:04] <tgm4883_laptop> it was an ID 10 T error
[05:05] <foxbuntu> now its the raw text...same error
[05:05] <tgm4883_laptop> Future note for everyone.  If you partition your drive so the large portion of it that is for mythtv is mounted at /var/lib, dont set mytharchives work directory to /var/archive
[05:06] <superm1> foxbuntu, the first line reads "import re"
[05:06] <superm1> with nothing else
[05:06] <superm1> right?
[05:06] <foxbuntu> yes
[05:06] <superm1> and its giving you an error when doing that
[05:06] <superm1> an identical error
[05:06] <foxbuntu> yes
[05:06] <foxbuntu> yes
[05:06] <superm1> about "line 1: import re"
[05:06] <foxbuntu> yes
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> i just went from / being 100% full to only 32%
[05:07] <foxbuntu> sweet
[05:07] <tgm4883_laptop> I knew there was something wrong, i deleted like 100GB of shows today
[05:07] <superm1> foxbuntu, how are you launching the script?
[05:08] <superm1> python parser.py?
[05:08] <tgm4883_laptop> it was so full, shutdown wouldn't even work right
[05:09] <foxbuntu> oh...another ID 10 T error
[05:09] <superm1> hey Chadarius you around?
[05:09] <foxbuntu> ok its working now
[05:09] <Chadarius> Hey yeah
[05:10] <superm1> if you'd like to get something to work towards, any python experience?
[05:11] <Chadarius> Enough to hack around sure
[05:12] <superm1> Chadarius, perhaps you'd like to begin the control centre then
[05:12] <Chadarius> Control Center. The spec is up on launchpad?
[05:12] <superm1> We were thinking a pygtk app
[05:13] <superm1> it should be
[05:13] <superm1> let me make sure
[05:13] <superm1> ah no its not
[05:13] <superm1> i'll write out the spec quickly then
[05:13] <superm1> and you can see if it makes sense to you
[05:13] <Chadarius> OK
[05:15] <Chadarius> So is this a remote control app like thing?
[05:15] <Chadarius> pygtk would make it crossplatform too eh?
[05:21] <superm1> you'll see, give me a min here :)
[05:21] <Chadarius> np
[05:24] <superm1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/mythbuntu-control-centre
[05:24] <superm1> More important right now is the frontend to it, the Glade pygtk would use
[05:25] <superm1> a lot of those functions i have backend code ready for
[05:25] <superm1> that is used in the installer
[05:29] <superm1> now not exactly cross platform, but if written modular enough, other distros might find use to it
[05:30] <superm1> Chadarius, the remote control functionality will be very basic in this first iteration
[05:30] <superm1> later revisions would implement more regarding that
[05:31] <Chadarius> basic for first rev is good :)
[05:31] <superm1> but as you can see its a pretty hefty list of toys to enable disable
[05:31] <superm1> change
[05:31] <superm1> have you worked with glade designer before?
[05:32] <Chadarius> Is it up on blueprints now?
[05:32] <superm1> yes
[05:32] <Chadarius> no I haven't
[05:32] <superm1> okay well thats something else to learn here, i just learned how to use it not more than 1.5 months ago
[05:32] <superm1> in order to write the installer :)
[05:35] <Chadarius> So is the control centre something that will be built into the MythTV interface itself or is this a separate app
[05:36] <superm1> sep app
[05:36] <superm1> it will be used when the user wants to administer the box
[05:50] <Chadarius> superm1: I assume this will be using pyGTK 2 and Glade 2 correct?
[05:50] <superm1> I believe glade is actually at glade 3
[05:50] <superm1> i developed my ubiquity gui stuff with glade 3.2.0
[05:51] <Chadarius> hmmm OK default on Ubuntu repos is 2.12.1-6
[05:51] <superm1> there are two glade apps there
[05:51] <superm1> in feisty
[05:51] <Chadarius> ah yes I see
[05:51] <superm1> you want glade-3
[05:51] <Chadarius> just glade installs 2
[05:51] <Chadarius> got it
[05:54] <superm1> make sure to remove that older one, they both leave icons in the programming group otherwise
[06:42] <RAOF> Also note that glade is superceded by gtkbuilder, but I'm not sure how the python bindings are.
[06:43] <superm1> RAOF, as of when?
[06:44] <RAOF> superm1: As of gtk-2.latest, I believe
[06:44] <superm1> is gtkbuilder present in feisty then, or only gutsy?
[06:44] <RAOF> Only gutsf
[06:45] <RAOF> 2.11
[06:46] <superm1> ah i see
[07:50] <foxbuntu> superm1, I am stuck as hell trying to figure out that last piece of code
[07:51] <superm1> foxbuntu, thats the fun part :)
[07:51] <superm1> and i would hardly call that the last piece
[07:51] <superm1> much more to go:)
[07:51] <foxbuntu> well, ok
[07:51] <foxbuntu> but I can write out a simple function to build the lircrc
[07:55] <foxbuntu> ..
[07:55] <foxbuntu> anyone left in here than can help me parse lines of text in pyton?
[07:56] <foxbuntu> python*
[07:56] <foxbuntu> superm1...you?
[07:56] <foxbuntu> comn
[07:56] <foxbuntu> lol
[07:57] <superm1> foxbuntu, like i said i'm not too sure about the right way you'll parse the white space
[07:59] <foxbuntu> i found a way to kill the whitespace
[07:59] <foxbuntu> now my problem is the actual hex codes
[08:00] <foxbuntu> so that my temp list file is only the names of the codes
[08:00] <foxbuntu> then I will drop them over into the lircrc as needed
[08:01] <superm1> regular expressions?
[08:01] <superm1> perhaps
[08:01] <superm1> do they always start with 0x?
[08:01] <superm1> or 0
[08:03] <foxbuntu> 0x yes
[08:04] <superm1> well than look for that?
[08:04] <superm1> split a line on that
[08:04] <superm1> and take the first field
[08:09] <RAOF> foxbuntu: pyparsing
[08:11] <foxbuntu> hmm ok
[08:12] <RAOF> Pyparsing is cool if you need anything remotely complex
[08:12] <superm1> RAOF, you by chance worked with the debconf python module ?
[08:12] <RAOF> Nope
[08:13] <RAOF> I could look at it sometime, I suppose
[08:14] <superm1> trying to identify where my code is failing with it :)
[08:14] <RAOF> Ugh
[08:16] <foxbuntu> RAOF, if I use this module for parsing will it have to be included in the MythBuntu for the installer to work properly?
[08:16] <RAOF> I suppose so, yes
[08:17] <foxbuntu> ugh
[08:17] <RAOF> But pyparsing is all of 100K or so
[08:17] <superm1> foxbuntu, just get it working, and it wont be a big deal for me to include it
[08:17] <foxbuntu> alright
[08:17] <foxbuntu> well, my code machine is dead for the night
[08:18] <foxbuntu> superm1, catch you later
[08:18] <superm1> cya foxbuntu
[11:14] <Kenzu> hey..
[11:14] <Kenzu> how much space do i need for a frontend install?
[11:15] <Kenzu> will it fit on a 800mb disk?
[11:22] <Kenzu_> I need to know if a frontend install will fit on a 800mb disk?
[11:24] <bjweeks> I think the ubuntu servers uses almost that much alone, not sure though
[11:26] <Kenzu_> but a standard debian installl will only take 150mb or something like that
[12:00] <laga> Kenzu_: i'd like an answer to that question, too :)
[12:07] <laga> Kenzu_: i'll try it out in a VM now.
[12:11] <Kenzu_> cool... can you give som feedback please?
[12:12] <laga> sure. i'm now downloading the iso
[12:19] <DaveMorris> Kenzu_: a standard ubuntu desktop use 2GB, you can run the livecd as a frontend though
[12:19] <DaveMorris> In the future I'm thinking of making it easy to install on small disks/diskless systems
[12:22] <laga> oi'm prolly gonna install mythbuntu on an USB stick.
[12:22] <laga> for my s100..
[12:24] <laga> duh.
[12:24] <laga> i fail at mythbuntu. it says "double click to install" and i did a single click :(
[12:25] <Kenzu_> usbstick install could be cool
[12:26] <DaveMorris> yeah, I always struggle to double click it
[12:26] <DaveMorris> Kenzu_: I'm thinking usbstick/flashdrive/old small HDD
[12:26] <Kenzu_> my epia m1000 will be total silent with a usbstick and no hd
[12:27] <Kenzu_> do we have a eta for mythbuntu 7.10 and maybe an usb install?
[12:29] <DaveMorris> mythbuntu 7.10 will be shortly after the gutsy release
[12:30] <laga> usb install should already work out of the box, right?
[12:30] <laga> i'm probably gonna pick up a 2G stick later
[12:30] <DaveMorris> as for usb install, you can do it now, its just a case of getting a large enough usb stick, although swap will kill the drive.
[12:30] <laga> they're easily replacable :>
[12:31] <laga> i could stillswap over nfs *cough*
[12:31] <laga> my box has 128M ram.
[12:31] <DaveMorris> the better way to have diskless clients are to download the image over the network using pxe boot, with swap over nfs
[12:31] <Kenzu_> how do I install it on usb?
[12:31] <laga> download the image? naw, that'd kill my RAM :)
[12:31] <DaveMorris> this will allow you to quickly add extra clients etc, and I'll work on it once I've done my Masters (next summer)
[12:32] <DaveMorris> Kenzu_: select the usbstick as the target drive
[12:32] <laga> Kenzu_: i'd assume you plug in an usb stick and tell the installer to install on the usb stick-
[12:32] <laga> DaveMorris: yes. maybe you/we could steal some stuff from the ubuntu ltsp project.
[12:32] <Kenzu_> will grub work on a usbstick? normally i use syslinux
[12:33] <DaveMorris> laga: thats excautly how I was thinking of doing it, as I've run LTSP before
[12:34] <laga> i know that lilo will work. grub should work as well. it's a matter of the bIOS as well.
[12:34] <laga> DaveMorris: i meant to run mythfrontend on ltsp but it proved to be too much of a hassle
[12:34] <DaveMorris> Kenzu_: grub will work, the usbstick will appear as a /dev/sdX drive
[12:34] <laga> "coyping files (less than one minute remaining)
[12:34] <DaveMorris> laga: well hopefully we can make it so you download the image from the mythbuntu site for each release
[12:35] <laga> what image?
[12:35] <DaveMorris> for ltsp
[12:35] <laga> ah.
[12:35] <laga> hum.
[12:35] <DaveMorris> with mythbuntu
[12:35] <laga> i dunno how ltsp on ubuntu is implemented.
[12:35] <DaveMorris> so it will just be a few mouse clicks to install and get running
[12:35] <laga> i still want to get minimyth working on my diskless box.
[12:37] <laga> 1.2G is used for the frontend install with most of the plugins and all themes.
[12:37] <laga> 2G usb stick is it :(
[12:40] <laga> well, i shouldn't have to pay more than 20 for it
[12:45] <Kenzu_> how can I help with mythbuntu development if I want to?
[12:45] <Kenzu_> have been playing with mythtv for 2 years now...
[12:46] <laga> you can help writing documentation, you can help by implementing features <https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/>
[12:46] <laga> <ou can help by making suggestions
[12:49] <Kenzu_> ok i have a good suggestion... drop ltsp and use a usbstick for boot/kernel and nfs for root... maybe a shared read only root for more than one frontend...
[12:49] <Kenzu_> then you dont have to set up dhcp and tftp server
[12:49] <Kenzu_> only nfs
[12:49] <laga> Kenzu_: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/disklessfrontend :)
[12:50] <laga> there is more than one approach to netboot, unfortunately.
[12:51] <Kenzu_> and i know myth stores settings in the database based on hostname, so if you could set the host name via kernel cmdline... i.e in grub
[12:52] <laga> that should be possible.
[12:52] <Kenzu_> and maybe set the display driver to and resolution
[12:52] <laga> Kenzu_: it looks like 1.1G are needed for a frontend install
[12:52] <Kenzu_> ok thanks
[12:52] <laga> *sigh* it'
[12:52] <laga> s using ram disks. great. i'll have to disable that for my meagre 128M RAM :)
[12:53] <bjweeks> I'm trying to get my pcHDTV 5500 working with Mythbuntu alpha 2 and I'm getting this in my dmesg: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29632/
[12:54] <laga> when do you get this?
[12:55] <bjweeks> when I try to do a channel scan (no channels come up but they did in feisty)
[12:55] <laga> you're probably not using the correct parameters for your channel scan
[12:56] <bjweeks> not much to set :/
[12:57] <laga> :(
[12:57] <laga> we don't do ATSC here so i'm out of ideas
[12:57] <laga> ask in #mythtv-users ?
[12:58] <bjweeks> haven't yet, thought I would give this channel a shot as gutsy broke it
[12:59] <laga> i doubt many US people in here are awake
[01:01] <bjweeks> I wish I was using DVB, seems more open and better supported
[02:09] <Kenzu_> the installer fail for me... alpha 2
[02:13] <Kenzu_> why do mythbuntu use openbox ? and not one of the ubuntu version... i.e xbuntu og maybe help fluxbuntu?
[02:13] <laga> what's the problem?
[02:13] <laga> because we don't need xfce or fluxbox, i guess
[02:14] <Kenzu_> ok.. it's just like we start from scrats
[02:15] <laga> no
[02:15] <laga> we're not trying to create a desktop distro based on openbox. we make a mythtv distro ;)
[02:16] <Kenzu_> ok
[02:16] <Kenzu_> god point
[02:21] <Kenzu_> Installer fails when I use my 2GB usb stick but not on my 4GB old laptop drive
[02:22] <Kenzu_> it crash when i click install on the last page
[02:22] <laga> oooh :(
[02:22] <DaveMorris> does it give an error message?
[02:23] <Kenzu_> yes but I forgot to write it down before i try the laptop drive... ups... something about a name
[02:24] <laga> :(
[02:24] <laga> we'd need that error message
[02:24] <Kenzu_> Ill will try the usb install again after the laptop drive install is finish
[02:25] <laga> thanks
[02:33] <Kenzu_> is it posible to set up a wireless connection before we mount root?
[02:34] <laga> are you talking about nfsroot?
[02:34] <laga> or netboot?
[02:34] <Kenzu_> becuase then will my diskless senario with boot from usb and nfs root be smarter than ltsp
[02:34] <Kenzu_> nfsroot
[02:36] <DaveMorris> Kenzu_: I don't think it's possible
[02:36] <laga> you can set up a wireless connection before you mount root. it'd have to be done in the initramfs.
[02:36] <laga> you'll have to set up encryption in there as well
[02:37] <DaveMorris> yeah, but you still need a location to load the initramfs from, which you don't with PXE booting
[02:37] <laga> yeah, he wants to store kernel and stuff on an usb stick
[02:37] <Kenzu_> DaveMorris, and that location will be the usb stick
[02:38] <DaveMorris> then why not have the whole install on the usb stick?
[02:38] <laga> heh
[02:38] <Kenzu_> because more frontends could share the same root
[02:38] <Kenzu_> and you only have to update and setup on root
[02:39] <Kenzu_> one root
[02:39] <Kenzu_> and small usbstick are given away for free almost
[02:40] <Kenzu_> plus small usb stick are easyer to boot from than 2GB stick... not all bioses like 2 gb ones
[03:20] <Kenzu_> I have a problem with my backend... my recording i missing the next day
[03:35] <Kenzu> if I want to make an mythbuntu (gusty) install on my backend with 4 disk in raid 1 (boot) and raid 5 (lvm for root and myth) then Ill have to use an alternate gusty install disk and then install mythbackend-master and ubuntu-mythtv- frontend packages?
[03:42] <laga> probably
[03:43] <laga> i don't think that the GUI installer supports lvm or raid.
[03:43] <laga> Kenzu: you said there are boot problems with 2GB usb sticks. could youplease leaborate?
[03:43] <laga> s/leaborate/elaborate/
[03:45] <Kenzu> yes... will try the install again i 10 min..
[03:46] <laga> i was referring to
[03:46] <laga> 14:36 < Kenzu_> plus small usb stick are easyer to boot from than 2GB stick... not all bioses like 2 gb ones
[03:47] <laga> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveUsbPendrivePersistent
[03:47] <laga> ^^ this looks promising, too
[03:48] <Kenzu> the bios have to se the usb disk as a usb-hdd if it over 512mb
[03:48] <laga> really? does that apply to all mainboards?
[03:48] <Kenzu> and not all bios (bios bugs) like that... but they like usb-fdd and usb-zip
[03:48] <laga> http://syslinux.zytor.com/archives/2007-March/008284.html
[03:48] <Kenzu> no
[03:48] <laga> ^^ :(
[03:48] <Kenzu> not all..
[03:49] <laga> well, i'll ask the store to take it back if it doesn'
[03:49] <laga> t work
[03:50] <laga> duh. i can't use the mythbuntu in live mode because i'm low on ram. stupid limitation :(
[04:01] <Kenzu> how do I report the install crash?
[04:08] <laga> Kenzu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/
[04:08] <Kenzu> found it
[04:09] <laga> that's annoying.
[04:10] <laga> i've cleaned up my mythbuntu install and it's back to its old size after an aptitude upgrade.
[04:10] <laga> and i even ran apt-get clean.
[04:16] <Kenzu> bug reported
[04:16] <laga> thanks a lot :)
[04:21] <ubotu> New bug: #125539 in mythbuntu "Installer crased on 2GB usbstick install" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125539
[04:36] <laga> down to 723M ;)
[04:40] <laga> 706M. enough for now :)
[05:40] <clarkey> I need some help with a really basic script basically i need to run xmodmap /etc/xmodmap.conf
[05:40] <clarkey> at startup on mythTV system to get the remote working properly
[05:41] <clarkey> I am trying to put it into the openbox auto start script will that work?
[05:42] <superm1> clarkey, yes it will
[05:42] <superm1> however it will break on an update
[05:42] <clarkey> what do u mean on an update?
[05:42] <superm1> to the next release
[05:42] <superm1> you'll have to redo that
[05:43] <clarkey> oh k
[05:43] <clarkey> ive tried to put it in but it doesn't work
[05:43] <superm1> which script were you modifying?
[05:44] <clarkey> /home/mythtv/.config/openbox/autostart.sh
[05:44] <superm1> oh.  is that the standard xdg starting file?
[05:44] <clarkey> I actually created it cause it didnt exist
[05:44] <clarkey> idk
[05:44] <superm1> well how'd you get pointed at making it?
[05:44] <clarkey> just read it on the openbox site
[05:44] <superm1> could you link me where you found that reference?
[05:45] <clarkey> http://icculus.org/openbox/index.php/Help:Autostart
[05:45] <superm1> ah yes
[05:45] <superm1> okay and the contents of your autostart.sh rihgt now?
[05:46] <clarkey> ive tried alot of combinations
[05:46] <clarkey> the latest being
[05:46] <clarkey> . $GLOBALAUTOSTART
[05:46] <clarkey> sleep 20
[05:47] <clarkey> xmodmap /etc/xmodmap.conf
[05:47] <superm1> okay and you're using the autologin
[05:47] <superm1> of ubuntu-mythtv-frontend
[05:47] <superm1> or mythbuntu
[05:47] <superm1> right?
[05:47] <clarkey> yea
[05:47] <superm1> okay i think i know what the problem is here
[05:47] <superm1> that openbox session source's that file
[05:47] <superm1> however a normal mythtv session doesn't
[05:48] <clarkey> kk
[05:48] <superm1> so do this: put the file in say ~/.xmodmap
[05:48] <superm1> the /etc/xmodmap.conf
[05:48] <superm1> and then i'll tell you what block to add whree, and i'll add it to the new packaging so it is present in gutsy
[05:49] <clarkey> im a newbie wat is ~/
[05:49] <clarkey> sry
[05:49] <superm1> /home/mythtv/
[05:49] <clarkey> cool
[05:49] <clarkey> so i just copy the xmodmap.conf to ~/.xmodmap ?
[05:50] <superm1> yes
[05:50] <clarkey> what were u saing about the blocks?
[05:51] <superm1> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29660/plain/
[05:51] <superm1> add that to your /usr/share/mythtv/startmythtv.sh
[05:51] <superm1> right before the openbox & command
[05:51] <superm1> (the contents of it)
[05:51] <clarkey> thnx alot ur a saviour
[05:51] <clarkey> its taken me like 2 days to get this far lol
[05:52] <superm1> np, little things like this can easily catch anyone
[05:52] <clarkey> lirc was a bitch so I gave up
[05:53] <clarkey> good idea to add it 2 the package
[05:53] <clarkey> btw im lookingforward 2 it
[05:54] <clarkey> keep up the goodwork
[05:54] <superm1> with the work i'm doing re lirc, it should be a bit easier for gutsy too :)
[05:55] <clarkey> awesome
[06:13] <clarkey> still didnt load properly
[06:14] <clarkey> wait do i have to do a full reset or can i just reset X
[06:22] <foxbuntu> superm1, just thought I would let you know, the mother of Ronin from StarGate works in this building
[06:25] <foxbuntu> also I have pyparsing now and I am just trying to get the code figured out to use it
[06:28] <clarkey> didnt work
[06:30] <clarkey> ohh well ill try again later
[07:53] <laga> re
[07:53] <laga> heya superm1_
[08:14] <superm1_> hey laga
[08:14] <superm1_> any luck regarding merging my branches?
[08:16] <laga> i haven't started yet, i was busy playing with mythbuntu today
[08:17] <superm1_> ah
[08:17] <superm1_> that 700 meg install, how minimalized is it?
[08:18] <laga> um. it's missing mythweather, mytharchive, the backend, mplayer, firefox, vlc, xine, and /usr/share/doc/
[08:19] <laga> and some other stuff that deborphan gave me
[08:19] <laga> as well as the restricted drivers
[08:19] <laga> do you want a package list? ;)
[08:19] <superm1_> well i was going to say, some of the stuff can be pulled from the lists
[08:19] <superm1_> because i got a little sloppy in the removals
[08:20] <superm1_> what would be better is a list of stuff removed
[08:20] <superm1_> if you could
[08:20] <laga> sure, i'll see what i can do.
[08:20] <superm1_> and then i can better see if there is anything else to pull off the list
[08:20] <laga> Kenzu: did have some trouble with installing to a 2 GB usb stick, i might as well try to reproduce that
[08:23] <superm1_> i haven't looked at Kenzu's posted logs too much in depth yet
[08:23] <superm1_> but it looked like partman was where things dies
[08:23] <superm1_> *died
[08:23] <superm1_> it might actually be a ubiquity problem, not a mythbuntu only problem
[08:23] <superm1_> Kenzu, are you still here?
[08:26] <laga> hum
[08:26] <laga> copying my mythbuntu install to an usb disk in virtualbox is not exactly fast
[08:26] <superm1_> Daviey, you here?
[08:26] <superm1_> yea i can see that..
[08:37] <laga> darn.
[08:38] <laga> i did an rsync -av to sync my install to the usb disk. it's 700M on the virtualbox disk and 600M on the usb disk. i wonder if i have to blame block size or something.
[08:39] <laga> ah, the FS has errors.
[08:48] <Kenzu> I'am back...
[08:49] <superm1_> Kenzu, could you repeat an install on that usbstick
[08:49] <superm1_> ifi  was to give you a different way to try something
[08:49] <superm1_> to rule out a problem
[08:49] <Kenzu> I did it 3 times
[08:49] <superm1_> right
[08:49] <superm1_> i want to make sure that it isn't caused by our code
[08:49] <superm1_> in the mythbuntu ui
[08:49] <superm1_> that its actually upstream's fault
[08:50] <Kenzu> with normal partioning and manual
[08:50] <Kenzu> and in danish and english only
[08:50] <superm1_> okay
[08:50] <superm1_> if you pull up a terminal
[08:50] <superm1_> and launch it like this:
[08:50] <superm1_> sudo ubiquity gtk_ui
[08:51] <superm1_> it will deactivate all the changes we have for mythbuntu
[08:51] <superm1_> so you can run a vanilla copy of the upstream installer
[08:51] <Kenzu> ok... I could try that...
[08:52] <superm1_> and if the same thing happens, we can reclassify that bug to ubiquity
[08:53] <Kenzu> please give me some time...
[08:53] <Kenzu> I try to locate a problem on my backend to...
[08:53] <Kenzu> my recordings get deleted after a day or so
[08:54] <Kenzu> and it startet after mythweb was installed... maybe a search robot on the net is trickering the delete link on the recordings?
[08:55] <superm1_> that is very possible
[08:55] <superm1_> if its not locked down
[08:55] <laga> it's probably auto expire..
[08:55] <laga> you should lock down your mythweb!
[08:56] <laga> Kenzu: see /var/log/apache2/access.log
[08:56] <Kenzu> auto expire will only delete livetv
[08:56] <superm1_> autoexpire will delete anything if it needs more space
[08:56] <Kenzu> and recording if i'am lov on space
[08:58] <Kenzu> I have 400Gb left
[09:04] <Kenzu> ubiquity will not run with gtk_ui after
[09:04] <Kenzu> only sudo ubiquity
[09:06] <Kenzu> ok... It's not mythbuntu... same error on normal ubiquity
[09:08] <superm1_> okay then we can reclass that bug
[09:08] <superm1_> as ubiquity instead
[09:12] <Kenzu> found my problem on the backend... google bot
[09:12] <Kenzu> 66.249.73.243 - - [12/Jul/2007:03:15:13 +0200]  "GET /mythweb/tv/recorded?delete=yes&chanid=1027&starttime=1184168100 HTTP/1.1" 302 186 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Googlebot/2.1; +http://www.google.com/bot.html)"
[09:13] <Kenzu> maybe some safety is a good place to start... he
[09:22] <superm1_> Kenzu, this doesn't happen when installing to a hard drive for you right?
[09:22] <superm1_> i reclassed the bug as a ubiquity bug
[09:22] <Kenzu> right
[09:22] <laga> superm1_: should i still try to reproduce it?
[09:23] <superm1_> laga, if you can
[09:23] <laga> ok
[09:23] <superm1_> i think i see the cause of it
[09:23] <laga> what is it?
[09:23] <superm1_> when a label is set on the flash drive
[09:23] <superm1_> with a name that has a space in it
[09:23] <superm1_> it automounts
[09:23] <superm1_> but then isn't able to unmount
[09:23] <superm1_> Kenzu, your flash drive did have a space in the label correct?
[09:24] <Kenzu> ok... ubuntu see the usbstick as a mp3player or ipod
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73061.428000]  usb-storage: device found at 4
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73061.428000]  usb-storage: waiting for device to settle before scanning
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.428000]  usb-storage: device scan complete
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.428000]  scsi 3:0:0:0: Direct-Access     Flash    Drive SM_USB20   1100 PQ: 0 ANSI: 0 CCS
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.432000]  SCSI device sdb: 3963904 512-byte hdwr sectors (2030 MB)
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.432000]  sdb: Write Protect is off
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.432000]  sdb: Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.432000]  sdb: assuming drive cache: write through
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.436000]  SCSI device sdb: 3963904 512-byte hdwr sectors (2030 MB)
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.436000]  sdb: Write Protect is off
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.436000]  sdb: Mode Sense: 43 00 00 00
[09:25] <superm1_> right ...
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.436000]  sdb: assuming drive cache: write through
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.436000]   sdb: sdb1
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.484000]  sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb
[09:25] <Kenzu> [73066.484000]  sd 3:0:0:0: Attached scsi generic sg1 type 0
[09:25] <superm1_> now what does ls /media say
[09:25] <Kenzu> sorry
[09:25] <Kenzu> USB DISK
[09:26] <Kenzu> with space
[09:26] <superm1_> yup that would be it
[09:26] <laga> does it not auto-mount it when it doesn't have a space?
[09:26] <Kenzu> fdisk or cfdisk new label?
[09:26] <superm1_> well it automounts
[09:26] <superm1_> but it won't umount
[09:26] <superm1_> it looks like
[09:26] <superm1_> due to a bug in the installer's handling of such things
[09:27] <laga> ah
[09:28] <Kenzu> how do I set a new label?
[09:30] <laga> good question.
[09:30] <Kenzu> can you please tell me one thing about mythweb... i have to set chmod 644 on the password fil and not 640 as i the wiki...
[09:30] <Kenzu> why?
[09:30] <superm1_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=365661
[09:32] <Kenzu> ok.. now it show up as mythbuntu
[09:32] <Kenzu> but ubuntu still think it's a mp3player
[09:33] <superm1_> thats fine
[09:33] <superm1_> as long as the label doesn't have a space in the name
[09:34] <Kenzu> but i don't want it to be an mp3player
[09:34] <superm1_> if your booting off of it, it won't matter
[09:34] <Kenzu> Ill try the install again
[09:37] <Kenzu> so far it's a go
[09:37] <Kenzu> it's installing
[09:37] <Kenzu> superm1_, your the man
[09:37] <superm1_> Kenzu, more room for trouble though :)  Hopefully you don't hit any other walls
[09:39] <laga>  error creating directory `./usr/share/doc/libc6': No such file or directory
[09:39] <laga> i know i shouldn't have deleted random stuff ;)
[09:42] <Kenzu> normally i use archlinux and larch on usb... this was used on my old setup... larch with xfce4.4 and mythfront and lots of plugins could fit on 350-400mb
[09:43] <superm1_> well there are a lot more thing that are installed here, and likely a few that can endure some cleanup
[09:43] <superm1_> but the install here should fit within ~1GB
[09:43] <superm1_> i'd gander
[09:44] <Kenzu> larch is pretty smart for usbstick... and it uses read on compressed filesystem with overlay so you can save your setting or stuff
[09:44] <Kenzu> read only
[09:44] <superm1_> i'm working on a spec yesterday and today actually
[09:44] <superm1_> that will save a conf file to a flash drive
[09:44] <superm1_> and use that to start mythfrontend
[09:45] <superm1_> mount network shares
[09:45] <Kenzu> maybe that could be a good place to learn something for live mythbuntu
[09:45] <superm1_> so you just need a flash drive and cd
[09:45] <superm1_> and you have a complete fully configured frontend
[09:45] <Kenzu> http://four.fsphost.com/gradgrind/ take a look
[09:46] <superm1_> actually what that does is already supported in Ubuntu
[09:46] <Kenzu> larch can save the setting to cd to... it will just burn a new session
[09:46] <superm1_> an overlay like that
[09:46] <superm1_> onto a flash drive
[09:46] <superm1_> i opted to not use it for mythbuntu though
[09:47] <superm1_> because that means you have to allow it to overwrite the whole drive
[09:47] <superm1_> the way i'm doing it with a configuration file, you will be able to use the drive for other stuff too if you awnt
[09:47] <superm1_> *want
[09:47] <superm1_> i'll be back in a bit
[09:47] <superm1_> i'm gonna grab some lunch
[09:47] <Kenzu> yeah....
[09:47] <Kenzu> ok...
[09:53] <laga> i totally need to update my trunk packages :(
[09:54] <laga> superm1_: are the mythbuntu packages built from the normal ubuntu bzr branches?
[10:11] <superm1_> laga, what do you mean?
[10:11] <superm1_> the debian/*
[10:11] <superm1_> ?
[10:12] <laga> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/+authoredbranches
[10:12] <superm1_> yes
[10:12] <laga> ^^ are they built from those tress?
[10:12] <laga> ok, thanks
[10:12] <laga> just having some trouble installing my old trunk packages, but that's likely happened because they're too old
[10:16] <superm1_> ah
[10:16] <superm1_> well that shouldn't have broken anything
[10:16] <superm1_> (them being old)
[10:17] <laga> ubuntu-mythtv-frontend did not depend on mythbuntu-gdm-theme, i'd have had to install ubuntu-gdm-themes or something
[10:17] <laga> i'm rebuilding my packages now with that dependency added
[10:17] <laga> i promise i'll be a good boy and merge your changes very soon ;)
[10:57] <superm1_> Kenzu, how did that work out for you?
[11:01] <Kenzu> ok... but it wont boot... error 18 from grub
[11:01] <Kenzu> Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS
[11:02] <Kenzu> looks like a custom partition layout
[11:02] <laga> hum
[11:03] <Kenzu> i will have to make a boot partition that is completely within the first 1023 cylinders
[11:03] <Kenzu> grub wiki
[11:04] <superm1_> yuk:(
[11:05] <Kenzu> and how do I know that it in the first 1023 cylinders?
[11:05] <laga> hum
[11:05] <laga> cfdisk or fdisk should be able to tell you
[11:05] <Kenzu> this is the 512mb usbstick problem....
[11:05] <Kenzu> or 2gb
[11:06] <Kenzu> so 512 will be easy to boot from but not 2 gb
[11:06] <laga> hum
[11:11] <laga> Kenzu: just create a separate boot partition?
[11:14] <Kenzu> yeah I think so
[11:14] <Kenzu> will try that
[11:14] <Kenzu> but not bigger that 512 mb I think
[11:15] <Kenzu> maybe 100mb for boot or 64mb
[11:16] <Kenzu> do you think I need swap with 512mb
[11:16] <Kenzu> ram
[11:17] <Kenzu> swap and usbsticks is not a good combo
[11:17] <laga> heh
[11:17] <laga> no it's not a good combo
[11:18] <Kenzu> by the way how do i set up wireless in /etc/network/interfaces?
[11:18] <Kenzu> just wireless-key #the key# and wireless-essid #the essid#?
[11:18] <Kenzu> under eth2?
[11:19] <laga> i have no clue
[11:24] <laga> hum
[11:24] <laga> my 2GB usb stick only has 249 cylinders.
[11:24] <laga> fdisk -l says that.
[11:25] <superm1_> something about a non mechanical device having cylinders doesn't settle well with me
[11:27] <laga> yeah
[11:27] <laga> "Selected cylinder exceeds maximum supported by BIOS"
[11:27] <laga> still, that's the error message
[11:31] <superm1_> laga do you use lirc_gpio by chance?
[11:31] <laga> no
[11:31] <laga> i try to avoid lircd
[11:31] <superm1_> do you know anyone that doe?
[11:31] <laga> no, sorryx
[11:31] <laga> ask in #mythtv-users probably
[11:32] <superm1_> well actually
[11:32] <superm1_> i'll poke on the lirc-list first
[11:33] <superm1_> for the issue
[11:33] <superm1_> it appears the bttv driver
[11:33] <superm1_> in 2.6.22
[11:33] <superm1_> is missing a few functions
[11:54] <Kenzu> I think i'am booting from my 2gb stick now
[11:55] <Kenzu> but dam it's slow
[11:55] <superm1_> once the usb2 kicks in it should speed up i'd think
[11:55] <Kenzu> yeah
[11:56] <Kenzu> but loading the kernel and initrd is slow
[11:57] <Kenzu> so i ended up with a new label, a 100mb boot partition and the rest for root... no swap
[11:57] <superm1_> and how big did the isntall end up?
[11:57] <laga> i'm glad it's working...
[11:57] <superm1_> (this was a frontend only install right)
[11:57] <Kenzu> frontend only
[11:57] <laga> what file system did you use for /boot/?
[11:58] <laga> a frontend only install is like 1,1G AFAIK
[11:58] <Kenzu> how do I se the size?
[11:59] <laga> df -h
[12:02] <Kenzu> 927 mb for root
[12:02] <Kenzu> 23 for boot
[12:02] <superm1_> did things speed up after the boot finished?
[12:02] <superm1_> of the kernel load
[12:02] <superm1_> or same slowness
[12:03] <Kenzu> speed up. but still slow
[12:04] <superm1_> was it faster running the FE from live disk?
[12:05] <Kenzu> no
[12:10] <laga> hum
[12:10] <laga> shouldn't it be possible to use usb 2.0 to load the kernel?
[12:10] <laga> hum hum
[12:10] <laga> probably not