[12:32] superm1, regarding the lircrc file [12:33] yea [12:33] ideally, would we want to have the user select their own button configuration, or have some sort of standard configuration? === foxbuntu [n=nfoxqci@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:33] standard i'd say [12:33] is the best way [12:33] For some remotes there should be reasonable standards. [12:34] see thats part of the problem [12:34] there is that effort [12:34] to standardize the namespace [12:34] and i talked to Arnaud about it today [12:34] tgm4883: We make sure all the funky custom keys behave correctly - http://openmedia.co.nz/openmedia/content/view/27/59/ [12:34] and i'm still pretty worried about things being ready in time [12:35] openMedia, thats my remote [12:35] :) [12:35] Want a customer lirc file that maps the keys like this? [12:36] could we do something along the lines of implementing this in some form? lircconfig.commandir.com [12:36] tgm4883, that's who i was speaking with this morning about it [12:36] ah [12:36] and he joined with Arnaud to help with the standardization of the name space [12:36] sure === tgm4883 didn't know who Arnaud was [12:36] ah [12:36] ah he is leader of Ubuntu Media Center [12:37] if everything doesn't play out in time, we will have to fall back to prebuilt configs for a variety of "popular" remotes [12:37] in which case OpenMedia, yours will be very appreciated [12:38] but the UMC team is very friendly, they will be using some of the work i put into making lirc work, and anything that we want a hand on they are willing to help [12:38] with other common areas [12:38] since there will undoubtedly be some [12:38] but given what time frame we're in right now, and how much I know has to get in yet, someone needs to start on Daviey's control centre idea [12:39] superm1, where did you get your programmable mce remote? [12:39] foxbuntu, um bby? [12:39] i think [12:39] hmm [12:39] guess i will look around [12:39] got mine on ebay [12:39] for about $30 after shipping [12:40] great remote ;) [12:40] ok...I am tired of the extra remotes [12:40] it's only 3 programmable buttons [12:40] Yea, it's not a whole lot. [12:40] thats ok...tv, and audio are good with me [12:41] i still keep my other two remotes around [12:41] so i can switch video sources [12:41] yea [12:41] since my ir transmitter doesn't work on my tv [12:41] just make sure if you have a 360 to turn off the MCE remote function [12:41] and since my serial cable didn't work the first time around, and i haven't had time to retry it [12:41] but I am tired of finding the other remotes for turning the tv on and adjusting volume === tgm4883 still needs to get a serial IR receiver so he can capture his TV remote [12:42] foxbuntu, you could always get any other brand of learning remote too [12:42] and use it [12:42] it doesn't have to be that mceusb2 one [12:42] just teach it the mceusb2 codes [12:42] but isnt the mceusb2 remote easiest to deal with in lirc? [12:42] or any JP1 remote should work [12:43] foxbuntu, you can use a universal that learns the mceusb2 codes [12:43] if you wanted to [12:43] it's not actually the remote, just the codes [12:43] oh...you mean get a learning universal and teach it my lirc remote and then add my other devices to it [12:43] if you could get your eyes to transmit the mceusb2 codes [12:43] OpenMedia, did you have anything else you wanted to add towards mythtv/mythplugins during my next update, or are you guys good? [12:44] right foxbuntu [12:44] gotcha [12:44] hmm [12:44] could be a good time to buy a stupidly overkill remote for my system [12:45] I think there is a pretty nice logitech learning remote for around 100 [12:45] harmony [12:45] yep [12:45] its a very neat remote [12:45] i got it for my dad for xmas [12:45] last year [12:45] thats what all the 360 people talk about [12:45] but the problem is that you need to program it on a windows box [12:45] :( [12:46] Is it a JP1 remote? [12:46] i'm not sure what jp1 is [12:46] sec [12:47] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP1_remote [12:47] http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=80-100-712-11.jpg%2c80-100-712-02.jpg%2c80-100-712-03.jpg%2c80-100-712-05.jpg%2c80-100-712-06.jpg%2c80-100-712-07.jpg%2c80-100-712-08.jpg%2c80-100-712-09.jpg%2c80-100-712-10.jpg&CurImage=80-100-712-11.jpg&Depa=10&Description=Logitech+Harmony+880+Universal+Infrared+Advanced+Remote+Control+-+Retail [12:48] foxbuntu, thats one of the nicer ones [12:48] you dont need to go that overkill === tgm4883 cue angels ahhhhhhhhh [12:48] superm1 I was going to donate the packaged up version of the myth-webremote package, but had a bit of a busy week. [12:49] OpenMedia, ah okay [12:49] well that would likely go in a sep. package for the time being either way [12:49] until a patch was made to link directly into mythweb [12:49] tgm4883, i dont believe it was jp1 [12:49] the harmony [12:49] im thinking its not [12:50] because i read some problem a guy had on digg with getting logitech to budge on spcs [12:50] superm1, please boot your otherself...it annoying in tab complete [12:50] you would notice 6 little prongs when you open the battery compartment [12:50] :) [12:50] foxbuntu, i'm the first tab complete [12:50] not the second [12:50] it should be easy [12:50] but it makes me use a space after it becuase its there [12:51] tgm4883, this looks like neat stuff [12:51] so you can make macros on cheapo remotes === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [12:51] superm1, that remote is only what...$200 [12:52] lol [12:52] yea the jp1 stuff is pretty nice [12:52] superm1 I have a package for myPVR that just want a couple of tweaks. Still haven't had time to read the whole REVU process anyway [12:52] if you don't want to spend $$$ [12:53] OpenMedia, well if you don't want to go through the whole submitting process, i'll package it up and submit it with you listed as the author in debian/copyright and just put the maintainer as this mailing list (ubuntu-mythtv@lists.ubuntu.com, so anyone on the list could comment on issues with it) [12:57] there ya go tgm4883 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?Image=80-118-001-02.jpg%2c80-118-001-03.jpg&CurImage=80-118-001-02.jpg&Depa=10&Description=SONY+RM-VL600+Universal+Infrared+Universal+Learning+Remote+Control+-+Retail [12:57] super cheapo JP1 it looks like [12:58] crazyness [12:58] hmm [12:59] I found one that seems to be a good buy [12:59] with macro control [12:59] for about 95 [01:00] yea, theres my remote [01:00] good stuff [01:06] superm1 Thanks for the offer, I'll see how I do this weekend, but I'd like to have a good at submitting. [01:07] OpenMedia, alright, i'll give some advice before -motu does after you've got it on revu if you want too then === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:50] hey RAOF [02:54] Hey [02:55] superm1: So, that worked. Kinda. [02:55] RAOF, gdm issues likely [02:55] ? [02:55] i know post alpha2, some issues developed that need to be addressed [02:55] Nah. I ran into bug #118539 [02:55] Launchpad bug 118539 in linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22 "[regression] acx does not load" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/118539 [02:56] Also, no LVM on the live disk :( [02:56] oh well go bug cjwatson about no LVM :) [02:57] okay so nothing thats too much of our faults then :) === RAOF [n=Chris_@matht464.maths.unsw.edu.au] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === OpenMedia [n=sellis@203.163.71.197] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [02:58] Bah [02:59] I do have one comment that is your fault, though: The gtk theme makes it *very* difficult to tell whether or not a checkbox is selected. [03:00] Yes someone has already commented that [03:00] foxbuntu, ^^ :) [03:01] it also causes a few oddities with FF [03:01] Oh, didn't notice that. [03:02] Would an "alternate" cd be possible, with LVM support? Mythtv really is a killer app for LVM [03:03] well starting with 0.21 LVM won't matter [03:03] with the introduction of storage groups [03:03] and as Daviey pointed out the target for 0.21 [03:03] So they're implementing some of LVM's functionality into mythtv? [03:03] we're going to delay release until after 0.21 [03:04] so if its a month or two after gutsy, it will be a month or two after gutsy :) [03:04] storage groups lets you set multiple recording locations [03:04] Ah. [03:04] without tying you down to making them be on a continuous set of space [03:05] so you could have one mount point be a NFS server [03:05] one hard drive [03:05] and then add an additional hard drive to the box [03:05] without needing to expand anything, just add the new mount point to mythtv-setup [03:05] Ok, so it's not just a poor-man's lvm :) [03:06] na, its supposed to be somewhat decent :) [03:06] laga could comment more since he is a trunk fella [03:06] if he is around [03:12] superm1, did you see the latest feature request? [03:12] tgm4883_laptop, where at? [03:12] feature miguel [03:12] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/miguel [03:12] i read that and i was like wtf? [03:13] right... [03:13] okay well i'll nuke that [03:13] ok [03:19] also, i was looking at the nfs-shares spec, and wondered if there should be a samba-shares spec also? Or are we assuming that most people seting up mythbuntu run only linux? [03:19] well samba is setup if they ask for it in the installer right now [03:20] some of those specs are partially implemented in the installer [03:20] it auto detects samba shares? [03:20] ah ok [03:20] i should probably go through and update them accordingly [03:20] well it automatically shares them [03:21] eg it checks what plugins you have installed [03:21] and makes shares for those [03:21] wait im confused, does it share local files on the myth box, or connect to shares on another box? [03:22] I was thinking on the lircrc thing...isn't that pretty generic, just includes the lirc.conf? [03:22] crap, gotta run, back in 45 [03:22] well the problem is that lircrc's need to adapt to the 100s of possible configs [03:23] but just the same the signal and main buttons is all you would have to consider right? [03:23] all the generics [03:23] play, stop, pause ect ect [03:23] well those would be the most important [03:23] but there is still a trouble [03:23] different lircd.conf's [03:24] use Play [03:24] or play [03:24] or PLAY_UP [03:24] or PLAY_en [03:24] etc [03:24] tons of different varieties [03:24] couldnt you parse that somehow...reas it in and generate a consitant lirc.conf? [03:24] read* [03:25] so that Play = play [03:25] ect [03:25] well thats part of what the RemoteControls spec talks about [03:25] a standard namespace [03:25] oh [03:25] if the namespace is standardized, then you can get around that [03:25] and easily generate these configs [03:26] but that is not looking to happen in time for gusty release either is it [03:26] well its looking to happen upstream, [03:26] i'm not sure on an eta [03:26] foxbuntu, and upstream doesn't really have a "schedule" [03:27] so it makes for trouble [03:28] well like I was saying, in the mean time wouldn't it just be easier to generate a parser to standardize the namespace for MythBuntu's use? [03:28] well i'm not sure how difficult that would be [03:28] if its possible [03:28] then that is a very good idea [03:28] you can look in /usr/share/lirc/remotes [03:29] to see the lircd.confs that need to be standardized [03:29] well, it couldn't be that hard because you only have to look for key words [03:29] and output a standard forma [03:29] t [03:30] well feel free to take a look :) [03:31] say the standard is "play" look for the indescriminate of play and find Play or Play_en and change it to "play" and drag in all of he codes beyond the whitespace [03:31] ok ok [03:32] I will see about a parser...I recently put something similar together for work [03:32] but that was vb script [03:34] I think you should try my MySQL memory settings out on your backend and see if you want to drag them into the build...they are working great [03:35] foxbuntu, well parsing is easy in perl or python [03:35] so either of those are the way to go [03:35] ok...I will bug you for help with those then [03:35] such a standardization might even be doable with sh/awk/grep/sed/tee [03:44] uh [03:44] explain [03:48] this could get intresting [03:52] sed is a fun utility for text manipulation among many files [03:53] i'm not sure the most appropriate way to do this though [03:54] I was thinking rather than stardinzing the namespace in the lirc.conf, why not just grab the code names and drop them into he lircrc on the fly [03:54] there is no lirc.conf [03:54] what do you mean? [03:54] lircd.conf? [03:55] yea [03:55] well that probably is more feasible [03:55] sry, something wrong with my keyboard [03:55] at least in the interim until the namespace is finalized [03:55] it would likely do the trick [03:56] would need a list of what possibilities are there right nwo though [03:56] because...no matter the format...they all have "begin codes" [03:56] and "end codes" [03:57] and only read the line until whitespace is inncurred [03:58] or read the entire line and then drop all whitespace and 0x and beyond [03:58] i'm thinking more and more this is doable in python [03:58] using regular expressions [03:58] for the common buttons [03:58] not for sure though [03:59] its going to take some tweaking...to get everything we need and to covert it as needed [04:01] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29605/ [04:01] that is how i parse the lirc.hwdb [04:01] if you want to use it for a basis to get an idea of how to parse a few files [04:01] and put examples in [04:04] ok [04:04] and this is perl [04:05] ? [04:05] python [04:05] ok [04:06] so just paste it to a text editior and save as .py? [04:06] yes [04:06] i spelled the top line wrong [04:06] it should be import [04:06] not mport [04:06] just copied and pasted poorly [04:06] but you can get an idea to biuld from with that [04:06] how to filter files [04:07] for certain expressions [04:07] yea, I see here you were reading on semi colan delimerter [04:08] well that was breaking a file into fields [04:08] you likely wouldn't need to do that [04:08] but more so just try to figure out which variant of a regex a line has [04:08] and cut off the end of it [04:09] after the text with the name [04:09] k [04:09] let me switch over to my over lappy [04:09] probably take a lircd.conf as a basis and see if you can do such things [04:09] brb [04:11] superm1, what is the xchat package for ubuntu? [04:12] um xchat? [04:12] this app [04:12] for irc [04:12] x-chat [04:12] oh [04:12] like i said [04:12] xchat [04:12] i got it there [04:13] misunderstand the ? [04:14] you do know that if you clicked add/remove programs and typed "xchat" [04:14] it comes up as one of two hits :) [04:14] oh [04:14] see i am always using apt or synaptic [04:15] you can do it there too [04:15] you just don't get a flashy icon to associate it with [04:15] the 2.6.22 kernel is so much better at memory handling [04:15] i heard something regarding that [04:15] thats good to hear :) [04:15] my lappy is much happier now [04:15] it boots prob at least 10 secs faster [04:16] same on shutdown [04:16] well that's likely not because of memory, but because of improvements in upstart [04:16] but nonetheless good to hear [04:16] yea [04:17] its down to using ~180MB of ram in normal use now too [04:17] was almost 210 before [04:18] brb === foxbuntu_ [n=nick@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:21] does mytharchive actually produce an ISO if told to do so? [04:21] should [04:22] superm1: isnt there a way to have all the users shown on the side like Windows does? [04:22] any user with an id > 1000 will show up [04:22] I mean so I dont have to click on the users button to see them [04:22] doesn't seem to be for me [04:22] where would it be stored [04:23] tgm4883_laptop, the temporary build directory [04:23] foxbuntu_, well i don't know what you are referring to [04:23] :( [04:23] not working for me at all [04:23] tgm4883_laptop, check the log === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:24] it will tell you where it is being put === laga [n=laga@mythwiki.de] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:24] is there a different log that i should check besides onscreen? [04:24] that log and a more detailed one are put in the same place [04:24] superm1: in xchat there is a button in the lower left that says "20 Users" and when you click on it it shows you who... [04:24] but in the windows client ithey are just in a panel on the right [04:25] oh drag the right panel [04:25] over [04:25] thats how i have mine [04:25] there are a ton of settings to customize in it [04:26] well I drag it to the edge of the screen and its not there [04:26] well i dont know where the setting for it is then [04:26] there is a setting though [04:26] because i have it on [04:26] and i can just drag my panel over [04:26] and the users are listed [04:27] crap [04:27] I can't seem to find it [04:31] foxbuntu_, Preferences->User List->Resizable User list [04:32] I dont have the user list option [04:32] i suppose I grabbed the wrong one of the two === foxbuntu_ [n=nick@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has left #ubuntu-mythtv ["Ex-Chat"] === foxbuntu_ [n=nick@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:33] crap cakes... [04:33] I will brb === foxbuntu [n=nick@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:36] ahh..much better [04:37] superm1, now..as for that pastebin link...send it again so I have it on the right machine [04:37] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29605/ [04:38] ah that would explain it [04:38] no space left on device [04:38] :) [04:40] New bug: #125384 in lirc (main) "Lirc GPIO module not buildable on 2.6.22 kernel" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125384 [04:49] superm1, is there an easy way to copy the text from an ssh session where I am using nano to my text editor? [04:50] highlight it and then middle click paste [04:50] one screen at a time? [04:50] cat it ? [04:50] and highlight the whole thing [04:51] and middle click paste [04:54] :( [04:54] my system is not being friendly to me right onw [04:55] superm1, you going to be around for a little bit? [04:56] tgm4883_laptop, yup just wrapping up that lirc patch [04:56] GDM could not write to your authorization file. This could mean that you are out of disk space or that your home directory could not be opened for writing. in any case, it is not possible to log in. Please contact your system administrator. [04:57] sounds like a full disk [04:57] you might have to login as single user mode [04:57] and clean up [04:57] it shouldnt be though [04:57] thomas@mertle:~$ free [04:57] total used free shared buffers cached [04:57] Mem: 963420 310668 652752 0 37624 191272 [04:57] -/+ buffers/cache: 81772 881648 [04:57] Swap: 1951888 0 1951888 [04:57] wait [04:58] not free memory [04:58] i feel dumb posting that [04:58] free disk space [04:58] my bad [04:58] whats the command for disk space? [04:59] superm1, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29607/ errors from pasting that code [04:59] foxbuntu, you must have pasted something funny then [05:00] whitespace matters [05:00] yep looks full [05:00] in python [05:00] Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on [05:00] /dev/hda1 9614116 9125708 36 100% / [05:00] varrun 481708 60 481648 1% /var/run [05:00] varlock 481708 0 481708 0% /var/lock [05:00] procbususb 481708 84 481624 1% /proc/bus/usb [05:00] udev 481708 84 481624 1% /dev [05:00] devshm 481708 0 481708 0% /dev/shm [05:00] lrm 481708 38972 442736 9% /lib/modules/2.6.20-15-generic/volatile [05:00] /dev/hda3 378858304 280871480 97986824 75% /var/lib [05:00] !pastebin | tgm4883_laptop [05:00] tgm4883_laptop: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [05:00] :) [05:01] yea...geez...thats like something foxbuntu would do === foxbuntu oh wait...I am foxbuntu === foxbuntu did they hear that? === foxbuntu OH NO! [05:01] lol [05:02] superm1, the only thing different from where I pasted it I changed mport to import [05:02] and the file name that it points at [05:03] you copied the raw text from pastebin? [05:03] or from the html page [05:04] oh [05:04] crap [05:04] I see the problem now [05:04] it was an ID 10 T error [05:05] now its the raw text...same error [05:05] Future note for everyone. If you partition your drive so the large portion of it that is for mythtv is mounted at /var/lib, dont set mytharchives work directory to /var/archive === foxbuntu would laugh, but I seem to remember doing that before [05:06] foxbuntu, the first line reads "import re" [05:06] with nothing else [05:06] right? [05:06] yes [05:06] and its giving you an error when doing that [05:06] an identical error [05:06] yes [05:06] yes [05:06] about "line 1: import re" [05:06] yes [05:07]