ScottKWell that'll have to be fixed then.  We want them KDE3/4 to both be installable.12:26
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ryanakcahey jjesse02:04
jjessehello ryanakca02:04
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jjessei'm sooo bored03:12
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nixternalme too03:58
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nosrednaekimok, not to be a nag or anything. but are there package for KDE4 alpha two yet?04:07
nixternal!info kde4base gutsy04:11
ubotukde4base: core applications for KDE 4 testing. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.80.3-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 61924 kB, installed size 178776 kB04:11
nixternalhrmm, they haven't been fully built out yet, but they are there04:11
nixternal3.91.0-0ubuntu1 are the alpha 2 packages04:11
nixternalI just deleted my kde4 package from my server04:12
jjesseon purpose?04:12
crimsunonly kde4artwork is in NEW.04:13
nixternalcrimsun: the rest should be updates04:14
crimsunthe others are available04:14
nosrednaekimso they are on the mirrors, but not officially released?04:14
nixternal3.80.3 is KDE 4 Alpha 104:14
nixternalnosrednaekim: correct04:14
nixternalRiddell is working on them04:14
nosrednaekimok, great.04:14
nosrednaekimso its in the same KDe4 mirror?04:14
nixternalthe KDE4 packages are/will be in the Ubuntu Universe repositories04:16
nixternalfor Gutsy04:16
jjessejust the libraries or actual kde4?04:16
nosrednaekimI mean in fiesty.04:17
nixternalactual KDE 404:17
jjessebut kde3 will still be default04:17
nixternalyou will have to wait a long time for that one..would be quicker to anon svn checkout the branches and build it locally04:17
nixternaljjesse: yes, for 2 more releases04:17
nosrednaekimah.. ok04:17
nixternalGutsy and Gutsy+1 will be KDE 3.5.x04:17
jjesseoooo tigers winning :)04:17
jjessenow the indians just have to loose04:18
nixternalnosrednaekim: actually, it would be best to check with Riddell when he is around04:18
nosrednaekimnixternal: AND gutsy+1? wow...04:18
nixternalhe could very well be working on them now and I just don't know about it04:18
nixternalGutsy+1 == next LTS04:18
nixternalthat doesn't mean we aren't going to have KDE 4 images though04:19
nosrednaekimright.... and they can't have anything the least bit unstable in that.04:19
nixternalwe will have the main LTS support images, and more than likely a KDE 4 image as well04:19
jjessenixternal: are you going to uds boston?04:19
nixternaljjesse: I put in for my off time, so as of right now, very likely04:19
jjesseme as well04:19
nixternalbut, the tough thing is...it falls right before my thesis is due, and right before finals04:20
nixternalso if anything, I just might fly up with a buddy for a day or two and fly back04:20
jjessemake it for the doc day :)04:20
nixternalhe has his own personal jet :)04:20
nixternalwell, he flies it for people04:20
crimsunrich is big time.04:21
nixternalso actually, I have my own personal jet04:21
nosrednaekimhey, I see here on the Kubuntu future ideas an idea for making a grub recoverer.04:21
nosrednaekimanyone working on that?04:21
jjessewould you like to start :)04:21
nixternalthere is already a Grub GUI04:21
nosrednaekimyeah.i'm looking around for a little project.04:22
nixternalnosrednaekim: that would be a good project to work on...at least make it easier for a new user if the trouble ever arises04:23
nosrednaekimever? haha, i'd make it just to spare myself the trouble of helping people do it every day.04:24
nixternalthose are the same people who just started using LInux and the first thing they want to do is change their splash :)04:25
nosrednaekimor load windows again.04:25
nixternalI think new users need to learn the hard way...I think a majority of us did.04:25
nosrednaekimrm -rf / ? yeah.... that was SOOOO hard.04:26
nixternallike right now, I am in sitting in ASP.NET class trying to stay awake...this teacher is killing me04:26
nosrednaekimactually never did that.04:26
nosrednaekimWINDOWS! YA!04:26
nixternalrm -rf will at least allow you to boot on most systems04:26
nixternalit is the deadly * * that will hurt you04:26
jjessecan you do most of your stuff in mono?04:26
nosrednaekimif you stop it soon enough04:26
nixternaljjesse: mono is absolutely horrible04:26
nosrednaekimI don't see a grub gui on kde-apps04:26
nixternalI have tried, and the simple answer is, not quiet yet04:27
nixternalnosrednaekim: it is there somehwere, it has received high ratings as well04:27
nixternalit is recent, like in the past month and has been updated with new features a few times04:27
nosrednaekimhmm.. any clue at all to the name?04:28
nixternalhaha, no I can't remember04:28
nixternaljust search grub04:28
nixternalerr, just search for grub04:29
nosrednaekimI did.... nothing good.04:29
nixternalayeayaye! US education providers are the worst I have ever seen04:29
crimsuneh, I resemble that comment!04:30
nixternalcrimsun: well it is true04:30
crimsunin many instances but certainly not all.  I don't suck _that_ bad.04:31
nixternalI am sure however you don't fall into that opinion :)04:31
nixternalhahaha, that bad?04:31
nosrednaekimah.... thanks.04:31
nixternalman your students told me all about you :)04:31
nixternalI will say, the Linux/UNIX, C/C++, and Java instructors at this campus are actually pretty good04:32
nosrednaekimwhere do you go?04:32
nixternalCollege of Dummies just outside of Chicago04:32
nixternalbut University of Maryland was just as bad in the 90s04:33
nosrednaekimmy dad went there... albeit in the 70's04:33
nixternalNorthwestern is a good school, well at least the Kellogg Business school is04:33
nixternalthat is where I got my BA....GO TERPS!!!!04:33
nixternalheh, the only one in my family that went to college, and it wasn't University of Michigan04:34
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nixternaleveryone else got to graduate as a Wolverine, the greatest college evah!04:35
nixternalI wish I hadn't been so hard headed and just did the Naval Academy when I had the chance..but I was so gung ho on blowing stuff up, that I started to not like officers :)04:36
nosrednaekimhmmph... its written in C++.04:36
nixternalnosrednaekim: ya, seeing it is a Qt app...ya, I said kde-apps, I forgot about Qt-apps04:36
nixternalactually, pyqt, java jambi, ruby with korundrum or whatever it is called04:36
nixternalQt is binding everything! FTW!04:37
nosrednaekimyeah, I do the pyton stuff.04:37
nosrednaekimnever bothered to learn C++04:37
crimsuninterestingly enough, UMD-CP is pretty good nowadays04:38
crimsunI'm only about 15 minutes away from there04:38
nixternalI am learning the Python now...thanks to crimsun and his little project for asoundconf I have a great understanding on just how messed up it really is :)04:38
nixternalbut it is kind of fun04:38
crimsunwhat is "it"?04:38
nixternalcrimsun: that is where I was...College Park!04:38
nixternalgod that place is horrible04:38
crimsunI love Python04:38
crimsunI love C and C++, too04:38
nixternalPython is a very nice scripting language w/o a doubt04:39
nixternalI like it better than Perl!04:39
nosrednaekimhey... that was a great little app crimsun made!04:39
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nosrednaekimoh this gruub editor is sweet04:40
nixternalnever date a girl that is in the same class as you...it really makes trying to learn awkward04:40
nosrednaekimwe ought to integrate it into guidance04:40
nixternaloh hell, it really makes trying to chat on IRC difficult04:40
nosrednaekimoh thanks for the colleg wisdom, i'll try to remember that04:41
crimsunpfft.  Just query her on IRC.04:41
nixternalshe is sitting next to me now04:41
nixternalshe follows me around04:41
jjessejust dump her after the class is over04:41
nixternaldude, it is the first time someone has cheated off of me for a test!04:41
nixternalit makes me feel good :)04:41
nosrednaekimwow... she must be dumb.04:42
jjessethe only way i passed my basic biology class is from my wife's notes04:42
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nixternalthe teacher is so clueless, we are both getting 28/30 on every exam and half the time we ditch the class to go out for drinks04:42
jjessewe ere dating then04:42
crimsunnixternal: you are SO not setting a good example ;-] 04:42
nixternaland the worst thing, she is a White Sox fan04:42
jjessed'oh that wrecks the whole relationship04:42
nixternalcrimsun: that is a great example04:42
nosrednaekimonly problem with this app is it doesn't do what I originally wanted.04:42
nixternalshe is older than me, so she isn't setting a good example04:43
jjessewow older then nixternal? she must be really old04:43
crimsunyeah, like 98.04:43
nixternalcrimsun: just my speed04:43
nixternaldidn't mean to say that one out loud, but...04:43
nosrednaekimthis program can't actually reinstall the grub....04:44
nosrednaekimwhich makes it useless for my task.04:44
nixternalI need food bad04:44
jjessei need sleep bad04:45
nosrednaekimwhich means *YAY* I get to write it!04:45
nixternalOK, it is time to go home! I gotta get out to my truck before she wants to go out...I need laptop time tonight04:46
nosrednaekimI have to go, bye all!04:47
nixternalthese people are trying to smtp mail from one machine to another w/o having an smtp server...using the IIS crap...my lord I need a bullet and a beer04:47
nixternallater nosrednaekim04:47
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jjesseout for drinks?04:47
nixternalno way...I am running home04:48
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Riddelltoo many early mornings09:46
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HobbseeRiddell: heh10:00
HobbseeRiddell: live in au, then10:00
HobbseeRiddell: or somewhere like that10:00
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Riddelltoo many late nights?10:05
HobbseeRiddell: yeah, well.10:07
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Hobbseehi Tonio_10:08
Tonio_Riddell, Hobbsee: is it just me or is guidance-power-manager broken since yesterday afternoon10:08
HobbseeTonio_: define broken?10:08
Riddelldunno, but the mouse cursor theme works from kdm now, I wonder how that fixed itself10:11
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Riddelland katapult shows up at startup too10:13
Riddellhowever guidance is working fine10:13
Riddellpower manager that is10:13
Hobbseeyes, i note that katapult is starting on startup now, too10:14
Tonio_Hobbsee: doesn't see the battery level10:14
Riddellstarting is fine, showing itself is a bit random10:14
Tonio_Riddell: yup noticed that too10:14
RiddellTonio_: probably a linux issue rather than guidance specifically10:14
Tonio_Riddell: can be a macbook specific issue10:14
Riddellno macbooks here to test I'm afraid10:15
Hobbseeseems OK here, but i'll have to awit for my battery to drop10:16
Tonio_Riddell: I'll ping cjwatson, he uses a macbook pro afaik10:16
Riddellhe uses a powerpc10:17
Riddellhe's also still at breakfast10:17
Hobbseebah, breakfast.10:18
Tonio_Riddell: oki, I'll investigate this we then :)10:18
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'll publish kdelibs toonight, I may not have time today on that point10:23
HobbseeTonio_: right.  i'm awake nwo, so can look soonish10:24
Tonio_Hobbsee: well did you commit your changes ?10:24
HobbseeTonio_: not yet :)10:25
Tonio_oki ;)10:25
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maniacmusiciannixternal: no more Biostar boards for you, then? :)11:25
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arunHello people11:49
arunI was wondering.. would it be possible to obtain high res vector files of the standard icons that come with kubuntu? crystalsvg, if i'm not mistaken11:50
Hobbseearun: er...you'd have to contact everaldo who made the icons for that, i assume11:51
Hobbseearun: unless they're in the sources currently, which i doubt11:51
arunHobbsee: thank you11:52
Hobbseeno problem11:55
kwwiiarun: no, he will not give you any vector sources, trust me11:56
arunkwwii: you have asked?11:56
kwwiiarun: I used to be his boss :-)11:56
kwwiihe might do it if he thinks he can get something out of it, but otherwise not11:57
arunaren't they licensed under GPL?11:58
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arunapparently, gentoo has the SVGs of the CrystalSVG set12:01
arunnot just pngs12:01
RiddellHobbsee: good enough, although slow (presumably due to debugging)12:05
arunkalethanks Hobbsee, kwwii, and Riddell12:05
HobbseeRiddell: right12:05
Riddellarunkale: apt-get source kdelibs  has the SVGs for the ones which we have12:05
Riddellthere's some more in kdebase12:05
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arunkalei saw this other set called crystal clear.. they are really good as well. everaldo is clearly very gifted12:09
Riddellyes, he is that12:10
arunkalei dont know if this is off topic, but would one be allowed to use GPL/LGPL icons on a web site?12:11
Riddellof course12:13
Riddelljust mention somewhere the licence and link to the author12:14
arunkaleis it imperative to put up the link to the author? i'm not going to be using the icons, just curious :)12:14
arunkaleRiddell: are you jonathan riddell?12:16
Riddellit's not imperative, but it's polite, and you would need to include the copyright notice (so a quick link will probably keep everyone happy and be less onerous)12:17
RiddellI am12:17
arunkalewow, very pleased to meet you12:17
RiddellI'm even mentioned in wikipaedia I notice, I must be famous12:17
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arunkalei was just downloading inkscape through adept12:18
arunkaleand i saw your name12:18
RiddellScottK: worked out why kmail wasn't installing on the CDs, it needed gnupg-agent which of course needed promoted to main.  done that now12:18
Riddellmoi?  have I touched inkscape?12:18
arunkalei think there was some problem with adept12:18
arunkaleor some problem with the inkscape definitions12:19
HobbseeRiddell: clearly while you were asleep12:19
arunkalein the description, it gave the description for kaudiocreator, and you were mentioned as the author12:19
Riddellyeah, I do packaging in my sleep :)12:19
arunkaleof inkscape12:19
Riddellthat sounds messed up12:19
arunkalei can show you a screenshot :)12:19
HobbseeRiddell: is actually an imposter of the real jonathan riddell12:22
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arunkaleRiddell: it's back to normal now12:27
arunkaleNow it lists the maintainer as 'ubuntu core developers'12:28
Riddellquite right12:28
arunkaledamn, i shoulda taken a screenshot when i could :)12:28
arunkaleRiddell: I just ran 'apt-get source kdelibs'12:34
arunkalewhere will everything get stored to?12:34
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Riddellarunkale: current directory01:02
arunkalegot it01:03
kwwiiwhen I try to open a password protected website it always asks for the username and login even though I select "keep password" every time...anyone know what is wrong?01:04
manchickennixternal: You should be ashamed for your Perl comment.01:04
manchickennixternal: Let the shame begin.01:04
Riddellwhee, compiz-kde working01:07
manchickenRiddell: Do you know what's up with this weird libungif4g dependency in all of the KDE4 packages?01:08
Riddellmanchicken: should go away with the kde4libs I uploaded this morning01:09
manchickenIs that still in new, or do you expect that it's in the repo already?01:09
Riddell"Currently building"01:10
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Riddellcan everything please stop failing to compile01:24
ScottKRiddell: Good (I'm glad you got it fixed).  Sorry about that.  My understanding was it was automatic once it was a depends of a Main package.  Sounds like it was "automatic" from my perspective because only you had to do something.01:30
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manchickenSo when are we going to get apport bulit into the KDE crash handler for gutsy?01:36
Riddellmanchicken: why would we want to?01:36
manchickenBecause things keep crashing mysteriously, and apport is so sweet in how it automatically collects information and puts it on LP.01:36
manchickenWhoops the hell out of manually posting bug reports.01:36
Riddellbut most crashes are upstream bugs, filing bugs on launchpad won't help01:37
manchickenNo?  Aren't most of the bugs I've fixed in Adept this time around been upstream?01:37
manchickenI think two out of four have been01:38
manchicken(which in all fairness is half)01:38
Riddellwell adept is rare in that it's as much our app as any upstreams01:38
manchickenToo true.01:38
Riddellbut the rest of KDE is 99% upstream01:38
Riddellif we could somehow have apport for adept only that might make sense01:39
manchickenWe could modify apport to know if it's a KDE upstream program, and if it is then send the bug report to bugs.kde.org :)01:39
manchickenI bet the KDE folks would LOVE that :)01:39
Riddelland it might make sense if apport could report KDE crashes to bugs.kde.org01:39
manchickenBeat you to it.01:40
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Riddellbut really the problem of where to report bugs doesn't have an answer because only developers know what's upstream and what's us01:40
manchickenYeah, I have a reproducible crash in konqueror.01:42
manchickenDo you know the g++ version that was used to compile gutsy's kdenetwork?01:46
manchickenI'm guessing it'd be the same as gutsy itself.01:46
manchickenBut since that's version has recently changed, I suppose I will be off.01:47
ubotuKDE bug 147842 in general "Reproducible konqueror crash on bestbuy.com's store locator" [Crash,Unconfirmed] 01:51
manchickenThere ya go.01:51
HobbseeRiddell: compiz-kde is actually testable now?  neat!02:05
RiddellHobbsee: if you manually install compiz-plugins02:05
HobbseeRiddell: right.02:06
Hobbseeas in, it doesnt kill the system, or something?02:06
Riddelldoesn't seem to02:06
HobbseeRiddell: is there more plugins than that, or just them?02:13
LongPointyStickRiddell: i thought you said this *wasnt* supposed to kill my system02:19
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Riddellwhat happened?02:22
HobbseeRiddell: my window decorations are gone, i lost keyboard input, you cant unroll the kicker with compiz, you cant seem to move things onto other workplaces02:22
Hobbseeno configuration thing02:22
Hobbseegrrrr...who really needs keyboard input anyway?02:26
Hobbseeah.  i forgot about the not being able to kill compiz with ctrl+c02:35
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manchickenDid 3.5.7 get officially backported to feisty, or is 3.5.6 still the default KDE for feisty?03:22
Hobbseemanchicken: the default wont be changed by the backport, anyway03:23
manchickenI'm troubleshooting a kpilot problem with the folks over there and I need the versions of kpilot and pilot link that we were using in the KDE 3.5.6 on feisty.03:23
manchickenWhere might I find this information?03:23
ScottKmanchicken: Launchpad info on the package?03:25
manchickenThat's a good idea.03:25
manchickenExcept that I think those would be in kdepim03:25
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manchickenThat doesn't seem to be as helpful...03:26
ScottKapt-cache or dpkg should be able to help.03:27
manchickenI'm trying to find the version that is on the feisty ISO03:27
Riddellfabo: strigi can drop the wv dependency, it has native OLE parsing now04:02
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faboRiddell: ah, thanks.04:04
faboHobbsee: too much "alpha", i don't think it will be ready for next release ...04:05
Hobbseefabo: darn04:05
faboyou can use kde four live cd to see it in action04:06
RiddellHobbsee: the packages should install fine04:08
fabostrigi 0.5.3 must be released tuesday04:14
Riddellreally?  I'm using strigi from svn and it seems quite unstable04:15
Riddellwhat happened to 0.5.2?04:16
fabo0.5.2 was tagged but no tarballs created.04:16
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ryanakcaAny KDE apps that need to be packaged, or shall I just browse kde-apps?04:26
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Riddellkde4sdk ?04:28
ryanakcaRiddell: update it?04:31
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Riddellryanakca: yes04:33
Riddellryanakca: use debian/cdbs from kde4base04:33
ryanakcaRiddell: ok04:33
Riddelland change debian/rules to use debian/cdbs/kde.mk04:33
Riddellas the only include04:33
ryanakcause debian/cdbs from kde4base as debian/cdbs for kde4sdk or debian/rules?04:34
Riddellas debian/cdbs04:35
Riddellit's a directory04:35
ryanakcaah, ok04:37
ryanakcaRiddell: umm. And I presume I'm supposed to pull from SVN?04:38
Riddellryanakca: no04:40
Riddellryanakca: kde 4 alpha 204:41
ryanakcaah, ok, thanks04:42
ryanakcaRiddell: do we still need to comment out 'add_subdirectory(kioslave)' in CMakeLists.txt, as well as 'if(HAVE_FLEXLEXER_H)' 'add_subdirectory(kbabel)' 'endif(HAVE_FLEXLEXER_H)' ?04:49
RiddellI've no idea, try not doing so and seeing if it compiled04:51
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Riddellit didn't compile last time round04:56
Riddelloh, you'll need to build-dep on quilt too04:56
ryanakcastandards version this time?04:58
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ryanakcaRiddell: in build-deps, should I stick in kdepimlibs4 3.80.3 or 3.91.0 (I don't think 3.91.0 has been built yet)05:25
Riddellkdepimlibs seems to be getting on ok https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/3.91.0-0ubuntu405:27
ryanakcaah, good, I guess packages.ubuntu.com just hasn't had time to update :)05:28
ryanakcaRiddell: hmm. Has James Troup talked to you at all about RT 27573 ?05:29
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Riddellryanakca: no, what is it?05:29
ryanakcaRiddell: a month and a half ago, elmo said he'd try to get groupware.kubuntu.org for the groupware server, and that he'd have to check various canonical people & you before getting the permission to create it...05:31
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Riddelloh, no idea05:33
RiddellI'd use another domain05:33
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Riddellalthough I'm not entirely convinced we need a groupware server05:34
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ryanakcashould I mail kubuntu-devel see if there's still interest?05:34
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Riddellryanakca: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdepimlibs/ has fixed kdepimlibs06:03
RiddellI've uploaded that as ubuntu5 so build-dep on that before uploading kdesdk06:03
nosrednaekimRiddell: are there kde4 aplpha2 packages yet? not to be a nag or anything.06:04
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ryanakcaRiddell: pbuilder can't seem to find kdelibs5 or kdelibs5-dev06:05
ryanakca -> Considering  kdelibs5 (>= 3.91.0-0ubuntu3)06:05
ryanakcaW: Unable to locate package kdelibs506:05
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nosrednaekimoh, thats what you guys are working on :)06:06
Riddellryanakca: gusty with universe enabled?06:07
Riddellnosrednaekim: yes, in gutsy06:07
nosrednaekimok, great.06:07
nosrednaekimhow about fiesty, or are you not bothering with that?06:07
ryanakcaRiddell: should be, after running `pbuilder-gutsy update --override-config --othermirror "deb http://archives.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe"`06:07
RiddellI don't know enough about pbuilder to confirm that06:08
Riddellbut it's definately there06:08
ryanakcashould it be kdelibs5 or kdelibs5-dev?06:09
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Riddellkdelibs5-dev for a build-dep06:11
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Hobbseeryanakca: why arent you using a .pbuilderrc file?06:12
ryanakcaHobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/617923 , except it doesn't update with universe/multiverse/etc06:13
ryanakcaHobbsee: unless I should just rm the base .tgz and run pbuilder-gutsy create again...06:13
Hobbseeryanakca: shouldnt need to06:14
Hobbseeoh okay, so you're not running an aptconfigdir06:14
Hobbseebut the components should do it06:14
Hobbseeryanakca: oh.  where is this file?06:14
ryanakcaHobbsee: $HOME/pbuilder/gutsy/pbuilderrc06:17
ryanakcaHobbsee: I'm using the pbuilder-distribution.sh (pbuilder-gutsy , etc ) that used to be "taught" on the old pbuilder howto on the wiki06:17
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ryanakcaHobbsee: did you get the location before your connection went?06:21
Hobbseeryanakca: i missed everything after what i last said06:21
Hobbsee it appears that the mute button on my old laptop is now the standby button.  which doesnt work, on this laptop06:22
ryanakcaHobbsee: $HOME/pbuilder/gutsy/pbuilderrc06:23
ryanakcaHobbsee: I'm using the pbuilder-distribution.sh (pbuilder-gutsy , etc ) that used to be "taught" on the old pbuilder howto on the wiki06:23
Hobbseeryanakca: ah yes, i know what hte problem likely is06:23
Hobbseeryanakca: run "locate pbuilderrc" and remove all those that arent the one you want06:24
Hobbseealthough, i'm surprised that it'd be using another one, if you've hardcoded the pbuilderrc in the p-d.sh06:24
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Hobbseeryanakca: my guess is on it using one of those other files, instead of the one you want06:31
Hobbseethat's what i find sometimes happens06:31
ryanakcaHobbsee: hmmm06:35
nosrednaekimI asked last night when no devs were really around, so i'll ask again now. Would you guys like a automated gui grub fixer?06:40
Riddellnosrednaekim: what would that do?06:41
Riddellnosrednaekim: mhb and xercies are working on a grub gui config06:42
nosrednaekimah... ok. what I was thinking of was a something to recover grub from the liveCD after you install windows or something like that.06:42
nosrednaekimRiddell: ^^06:45
Riddellnosrednaekim: it should be part of the same thing (if it isn't already)06:48
Riddelltalk to mhb06:48
nosrednaekimok. thanks.06:49
HobbseeRiddell: you guys are all leaving london in the next day or so, right?06:49
nosrednaekimmhb is really busy!06:49
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RiddellHobbsee: yes06:55
Riddellwe're opening the beer right now06:56
Hobbseeenjoy it ;)06:56
HobbseeRiddell: just remember....no glass around the pool :P06:56
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Hobbseesarah@LongPointyStick:/devel/kde3.5.7/kdelibs/kdelibs-3.5.7/debian$ bzr-buildpackage -S07:05
HobbseeBuilding branch from revision hobbsee@kubuntu.org-20070713170311-t226irv521xxwzva07:05
Hobbseebzr: ERROR: Unprintable exception DebianError: dict={'_preformatted_string': None}, fmt='A Debian packaging error occurred: %(message)s', error=KeyError('message',)07:05
Hobbseelovely, non-descript error07:11
Hobbseeworks fine with debuild, after doign an export...07:11
gnomefreaki always get that :(07:15
gnomefreakits a typo iirc07:15
Hobbseewell, debuild didnt pick it up07:15
gnomefreakbzr bd is been failing where dpkg-buildpackage isnt failing its kind of sickening so i stoped using bzr bd07:18
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mhbhi folks07:39
Hobbseehi mhb!07:46
mhbHobbsee: shouldn't you be fast asleep at this hour?07:49
Hobbseemhb: yes.  i'm waiting on kdelibs to build.07:50
Hobbseeand avoiding updating my resume, which is foolish.07:50
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Hobbseeahem.  of course, i'd never do that.07:53
Hobbsee*shifty look*07:53
Hobbseeand i'd never say that with any archive admins around and watching :P07:53
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Hobbseenight all07:54
mhbryanakca: how much time did you spend setting that server up already?07:56
mhbryanakca: (kolab)07:56
mhbryanakca: In other news, Ryan A. Kavanagh (75) recieved an Order of the British Empire for setting a Kolab server for the Kubuntu development.07:57
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ryanakcamhb: too much08:15
ryanakcamhb: I'm guessing a couple days worth in total :)08:15
ryanakcamhb: but... that's spread out over a month or so :)08:15
mhbryanakca: please, please, set it up!08:20
mhbryanakca: once and for all08:20
ryanakcamhb: well, reply saying that you vote for it :)08:22
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mhbdist-upgrade went fine for me08:24
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ryanakcabut I don't think I can setup an LVM with dist-upgrade... I'd have to repartition08:24
manchicken_Is there any reason why /usr/src/linux is still pointing at 2.6.17in gutsy?08:26
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manchicken_Hmm... lirc-modules-source won't actually build under 2.6.22...08:41
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manchicken_This would probably all be a lot easier if I actually had a proper source tree :)09:16
manchicken_why don't we try to have the lirc_mceusb and lirc_mceusb2 modules installed by default, or in some binary form to install?  I think that folks with MCE remotes are more and more common.09:17
ScottKryanakca: Isn't there stuff in the Ubuntu repositories that would do the groupware functions.09:17
manchicken_Isn't egroupware in the repos?09:19
ScottKDunno, just as I read his message he had to compile stuff.09:20
manchicken_I cannot get these directions to work...09:21
manchicken_Holy crap09:26
manchicken_It works if you use the m-a scripts one at  time rather than cut&pasting the lot of them.09:26
hungerHmmm... somebody fix network manager? Thanks whoever did it!09:32
ryanakcaScottK: yes, egroupware is in the repos09:32
ryanakcaScottK: we were compiling kolab on his gentoo server :)09:33
ScottKAh.  OK.09:33
ryanakcabut this time around, I'm either compiling the new kolab (I don't think our packages have been updated yet) or using the egroupware packages on a feisty server09:33
ScottKWhen it comes to setting something like this up, I really think we ought to eat our own dogfood and use stuff out of the repos.09:34
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ScottKWhat about packaging the update for kolab then?09:34
ryanakcaScottK: I could do that09:34
ScottKYou could probably get help from the ubuntu-server team if you needed it.09:35
ScottKI'd be glad to help with the packaging too.09:35
ryanakcathe first time around it was because it was his vmware session (he wanted to set it up) on his dedicated server, but since then, he's just transfered it to me09:35
ryanakcaPaleo: hey!09:35
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ScottKActually it turns out the message went to ubuntu-devel-announce.09:38
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mhbScottK: eh? it didn't09:46
ScottKThe message I was referring to was about joining the server team.09:47
ScottKIt said To: ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com09:47
mhbScottK: right, then09:48
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manchicken_HOLY CRAP LIRC RULES.  kdelirc has got to be the coolest thing ever.09:49
manchicken_I'm getting more functionality out of this remote under kdelirc than I was under windows.  Super sweet.09:49
manchicken_IRC remote control stuff.09:56
manchicken_What program is the one that handles the volume up and volume down OSD and the mute OSD?  Is that khotkeys or something?10:02
manchicken_I'm trying to figure out how to get the remote to work with the OSD.  I can send a DCOP signal to anything I want, I just have to know what I want :)10:02
ryanakcamanchicken_: isn't that kmilo?10:03
ryanakcaAnd, did we ever get compact kmilo setup for gutsy?10:03
manchicken_It looks pretty small, but I don't think that's what you're talking about.10:03
ryanakcajust a second, I'll get the link10:04
manchicken_I'm trying to figure out how to use dcop to simulate the event that the hotkey for volume up triggers.10:04
ryanakcamanchicken_: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=5628710:05
manchicken_Yeah, but that doesn't help me get the OSD to show up when I tell kmix to volume up and down.10:06
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ryanakcamaybe look at the kmix source?10:07
manchicken_It's not that important :)10:12
ScottKmaybe tsmithe on #ubuntu-motu would help you.  He's a Gnomish person, but know a fair amount about sound.10:14
fdovingmanchicken_: you can use xsendkeycode to send the XF86AudioRaiseVolume and XF86AudioLowerVolume events.10:17
fdovingxsendkeycode comes with lineakd.10:18
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mhbhi _StefanS_10:59
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manchicken_fdoving: That's not something you can do with a normal dcop call?11:10
ryanakcamanchicken_: looked at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdemultimedia/kmix/dcop-examples.html ?11:13
manchicken_Yeah, I know that part :)11:19
manchicken_This is sweet.  I finally have both my kubuntu laptop and the vista machine working together with audio.11:20
manchicken_I'm running the vista machine through kubuntu so that I can use the better audio controls in kde.11:21
manchicken_Wow, don't point konqueror at /usr/share and try to search :)11:27
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ScottKryanakca: The easiest way is to just use laserjock's pbuilder scripts.  Let me get you a link.11:32
manchicken_aptitude is teasing me.11:32
manchicken_It lets me auto-complete for emacs22, but when I try to install it it says there's no candidate version.11:32
ScottKThat's because it's in NEW.11:32
ScottKPackage exists, but doesn't have anythin in it yet.11:33
ScottKryanakca: http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/11:33
ryanakcaScottK: ah, I guess I still need the pbuilderrc required for the original pbuilder-distribution.sh script?11:36
ScottKDo you?  I've never tried to use that with a pbuilder built another way.  It just gives a warning for me if there's no pbuilderrc.11:37
manchicken_ryanakca: You're Ryan K, right?11:37
manchicken_The one talking about kolab and all that?11:37
ryanakcamanchicken_: yes11:38
manchicken_ryanakca: I just replied.  I think that's a great idea for more than just our own organization.11:38
manchicken_I think a lot of business folks use groupware, and that a lot of the programs that support that functionality are more obtuse and bug-prone than some of our more popular apps.11:38
manchicken_I think this will help that.11:39
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ryanakcaIt'll also permit us to bug test Kontact to see how good it's groupware support really is...11:39
manchicken_kolab integrates with kontact, right?11:39
ryanakcaand eGroupware does too, iirc11:40
manchicken_kontact is one of my favorite programs.11:40
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ryanakcasame here11:41
ryanakcaIf you're good with server administration, feel free to help out :)11:42
manchicken_And now that I've got this speaker setup working, Amarok will get more use :)11:42
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manchicken_I don't know if I'd say I was good at server administration.11:42
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manchicken_You see, I don't read books like that :)11:43
manchicken_I read Tom Clancy :)11:43
ryanakcabut, still doesn't make me close to knowledgeable in server security11:43
ryanakcaTerry Brooks and Robert Jordan here11:43
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