[12:26] <ScottK> Well that'll have to be fixed then.  We want them KDE3/4 to both be installable.
[01:54] <jjesse> evening
[02:04] <ryanakca> hey jjesse
[02:04] <jjesse> hello ryanakca
[03:12] <jjesse> i'm sooo bored
[03:58] <nixternal> me too
[04:07] <nosrednaekim> ok, not to be a nag or anything. but are there package for KDE4 alpha two yet?
[04:11] <nixternal> !info kde4base gutsy
[04:11] <ubotu> kde4base: core applications for KDE 4 testing. In component universe, is optional. Version 3.80.3-0ubuntu5 (gutsy), package size 61924 kB, installed size 178776 kB
[04:11] <nixternal> hrmm, they haven't been fully built out yet, but they are there
[04:11] <nixternal> 3.91.0-0ubuntu1 are the alpha 2 packages
[04:12] <nixternal> I just deleted my kde4 package from my server
[04:12] <jjesse> on purpose?
[04:13] <crimsun> only kde4artwork is in NEW.
[04:13] <nixternal> yup
[04:14] <nixternal> crimsun: the rest should be updates
[04:14] <crimsun> the others are available
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> so they are on the mirrors, but not officially released?
[04:14] <nixternal> 3.80.3 is KDE 4 Alpha 1
[04:14] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: correct
[04:14] <nixternal> Riddell is working on them
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> ok, great.
[04:14] <nosrednaekim> so its in the same KDe4 mirror?
[04:15] <nosrednaekim> *repository
[04:16] <nixternal> the KDE4 packages are/will be in the Ubuntu Universe repositories
[04:16] <nixternal> for Gutsy
[04:16] <jjesse> just the libraries or actual kde4?
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> I mean in fiesty.
[04:17] <nixternal> actual KDE 4
[04:17] <jjesse> but kde3 will still be default
[04:17] <jjesse> ?
[04:17] <nixternal> you will have to wait a long time for that one..would be quicker to anon svn checkout the branches and build it locally
[04:17] <nixternal> jjesse: yes, for 2 more releases
[04:17] <nosrednaekim> ah.. ok
[04:17] <nixternal> Gutsy and Gutsy+1 will be KDE 3.5.x
[04:17] <jjesse> oooo tigers winning :)
[04:18] <jjesse> now the indians just have to loose
[04:18] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: actually, it would be best to check with Riddell when he is around
[04:18] <nosrednaekim> nixternal: AND gutsy+1? wow...
[04:18] <nixternal> he could very well be working on them now and I just don't know about it
[04:18] <nixternal> Gutsy+1 == next LTS
[04:19] <nixternal> that doesn't mean we aren't going to have KDE 4 images though
[04:19] <nosrednaekim> right.... and they can't have anything the least bit unstable in that.
[04:19] <nixternal> we will have the main LTS support images, and more than likely a KDE 4 image as well
[04:19] <jjesse> nixternal: are you going to uds boston?
[04:19] <nixternal> jjesse: I put in for my off time, so as of right now, very likely
[04:19] <jjesse> me as well
[04:20] <nixternal> but, the tough thing is...it falls right before my thesis is due, and right before finals
[04:20] <jjesse> ouch
[04:20] <nixternal> so if anything, I just might fly up with a buddy for a day or two and fly back
[04:20] <jjesse> make it for the doc day :)
[04:20] <nixternal> he has his own personal jet :)
[04:20] <jjesse> wow
[04:20] <nixternal> well, he flies it for people
[04:20] <nixternal> hehe
[04:21] <crimsun> rich is big time.
[04:21] <nixternal> so actually, I have my own personal jet
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> hey, I see here on the Kubuntu future ideas an idea for making a grub recoverer.
[04:21] <nosrednaekim> anyone working on that?
[04:21] <jjesse> would you like to start :)
[04:21] <nixternal> www.kde-apps.org
[04:21] <nixternal> there is already a Grub GUI
[04:22] <nosrednaekim> yeah.i'm looking around for a little project.
[04:23] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: that would be a good project to work on...at least make it easier for a new user if the trouble ever arises
[04:24] <nosrednaekim> ever? haha, i'd make it just to spare myself the trouble of helping people do it every day.
[04:24] <nixternal> hehe
[04:25] <nixternal> those are the same people who just started using LInux and the first thing they want to do is change their splash :)
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> or load windows again.
[04:25] <nosrednaekim> ;)
[04:25] <nixternal> I think new users need to learn the hard way...I think a majority of us did.
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> rm -rf / ? yeah.... that was SOOOO hard.
[04:26] <nixternal> like right now, I am in sitting in ASP.NET class trying to stay awake...this teacher is killing me
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> actually never did that.
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> WINDOWS! YA!
[04:26] <nixternal> rm -rf will at least allow you to boot on most systems
[04:26] <nixternal> it is the deadly * * that will hurt you
[04:26] <jjesse> can you do most of your stuff in mono?
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> if you stop it soon enough
[04:26] <nixternal> jjesse: mono is absolutely horrible
[04:26] <nosrednaekim> I don't see a grub gui on kde-apps
[04:27] <nixternal> I have tried, and the simple answer is, not quiet yet
[04:27] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: it is there somehwere, it has received high ratings as well
[04:27] <nixternal> it is recent, like in the past month and has been updated with new features a few times
[04:28] <nosrednaekim> hmm.. any clue at all to the name?
[04:28] <nixternal> grubalicious
[04:28] <nixternal> haha, no I can't remember
[04:28] <jjesse> mmmm
[04:28] <nixternal> just search grub
[04:29] <nixternal> err, just search for grub
[04:29] <nosrednaekim> I did.... nothing good.
[04:29] <nixternal> ayeayaye! US education providers are the worst I have ever seen
[04:30] <crimsun> eh, I resemble that comment!
[04:30] <nixternal> http://www.qt-apps.org/content/show.php/QGRUBEditor?content=60391&PHPSESSID=f24de8d23df6517b95f876a20e83126c
[04:30] <nixternal> crimsun: well it is true
[04:31] <crimsun> in many instances but certainly not all.  I don't suck _that_ bad.
[04:31] <nixternal> I am sure however you don't fall into that opinion :)
[04:31] <nixternal> hahaha, that bad?
[04:31] <nosrednaekim> ah.... thanks.
[04:31] <nixternal> man your students told me all about you :)
[04:31] <crimsun> heh
[04:32] <nixternal> I will say, the Linux/UNIX, C/C++, and Java instructors at this campus are actually pretty good
[04:32] <nosrednaekim> where do you go?
[04:32] <nixternal> College of Dummies just outside of Chicago
[04:33] <nixternal> but University of Maryland was just as bad in the 90s
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> my dad went there... albeit in the 70's
[04:33] <nixternal> Northwestern is a good school, well at least the Kellogg Business school is
[04:33] <nixternal> Maryland?
[04:33] <nosrednaekim> yeah
[04:33] <nixternal> that is where I got my BA....GO TERPS!!!!
[04:34] <nixternal> heh, the only one in my family that went to college, and it wasn't University of Michigan
[04:35] <nixternal> everyone else got to graduate as a Wolverine, the greatest college evah!
[04:35] <jjesse> hurrah
[04:36] <nixternal> I wish I hadn't been so hard headed and just did the Naval Academy when I had the chance..but I was so gung ho on blowing stuff up, that I started to not like officers :)
[04:36] <nosrednaekim> hmmph... its written in C++.
[04:36] <nixternal> nosrednaekim: ya, seeing it is a Qt app...ya, I said kde-apps, I forgot about Qt-apps
[04:36] <nixternal> actually, pyqt, java jambi, ruby with korundrum or whatever it is called
[04:37] <nixternal> Qt is binding everything! FTW!
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> yeah, I do the pyton stuff.
[04:37] <nosrednaekim> never bothered to learn C++
[04:38] <crimsun> interestingly enough, UMD-CP is pretty good nowadays
[04:38] <crimsun> I'm only about 15 minutes away from there
[04:38] <nixternal> I am learning the Python now...thanks to crimsun and his little project for asoundconf I have a great understanding on just how messed up it really is :)
[04:38] <nixternal> but it is kind of fun
[04:38] <crimsun> what is "it"?
[04:38] <nixternal> crimsun: that is where I was...College Park!
[04:38] <nixternal> god that place is horrible
[04:38] <nixternal> Python
[04:38] <crimsun> oh
[04:38] <crimsun> I love Python
[04:38] <crimsun> I love C and C++, too
[04:39] <nixternal> Python is a very nice scripting language w/o a doubt
[04:39] <nixternal> I like it better than Perl!
[04:39] <nosrednaekim> hey... that was a great little app crimsun made!
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> oh this gruub editor is sweet
[04:40] <nixternal> never date a girl that is in the same class as you...it really makes trying to learn awkward
[04:40] <nosrednaekim> we ought to integrate it into guidance
[04:40] <nixternal> oh hell, it really makes trying to chat on IRC difficult
[04:41] <nosrednaekim> oh thanks for the colleg wisdom, i'll try to remember that
[04:41] <nixternal> hehe
[04:41] <crimsun> pfft.  Just query her on IRC.
[04:41] <nixternal> she is sitting next to me now
[04:41] <nixternal> she follows me around
[04:41] <jjesse> just dump her after the class is over
[04:41] <nixternal> hahaha
[04:41] <nixternal> dude, it is the first time someone has cheated off of me for a test!
[04:41] <jjesse> haha
[04:41] <nixternal> it makes me feel good :)
[04:42] <nosrednaekim> wow... she must be dumb.
[04:42] <jjesse> the only way i passed my basic biology class is from my wife's notes
[04:42] <nixternal> the teacher is so clueless, we are both getting 28/30 on every exam and half the time we ditch the class to go out for drinks
[04:42] <jjesse> we ere dating then
[04:42] <crimsun> nixternal: you are SO not setting a good example ;-] 
[04:42] <nixternal> and the worst thing, she is a White Sox fan
[04:42] <jjesse> d'oh that wrecks the whole relationship
[04:42] <nixternal> crimsun: that is a great example
[04:42] <nosrednaekim> only problem with this app is it doesn't do what I originally wanted.
[04:43] <nixternal> she is older than me, so she isn't setting a good example
[04:43] <jjesse> wow older then nixternal? she must be really old
[04:43] <nixternal> hah
[04:43] <crimsun> yeah, like 98.
[04:43] <nixternal> gahahaha
[04:43] <nixternal> crimsun: just my speed
[04:43] <nixternal> argh
[04:43] <nixternal> didn't mean to say that one out loud, but...
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> this program can't actually reinstall the grub....
[04:44] <nosrednaekim> which makes it useless for my task.
[04:44] <nixternal> I need food bad
[04:45] <jjesse> i need sleep bad
[04:45] <nosrednaekim> which means *YAY* I get to write it!
[04:46] <nixternal> OK, it is time to go home! I gotta get out to my truck before she wants to go out...I need laptop time tonight
[04:46] <nosrednaekim> haha
[04:47] <nosrednaekim> I have to go, bye all!
[04:47] <nixternal> these people are trying to smtp mail from one machine to another w/o having an smtp server...using the IIS crap...my lord I need a bullet and a beer
[04:47] <nixternal> later nosrednaekim
[04:47] <jjesse> out for drinks?
[04:48] <nixternal> no way...I am running home
[09:46] <Riddell> too many early mornings
[10:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: heh
[10:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: live in au, then
[10:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: or somewhere like that
[10:05] <Riddell> too many late nights?
[10:07] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, well.
[10:07] <Tonio_> yop
[10:08] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[10:08] <Tonio_> Riddell, Hobbsee: is it just me or is guidance-power-manager broken since yesterday afternoon
[10:08] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: define broken?
[10:11] <Riddell> dunno, but the mouse cursor theme works from kdm now, I wonder how that fixed itself
[10:13] <Riddell> and katapult shows up at startup too
[10:13] <Riddell> however guidance is working fine
[10:13] <Riddell> power manager that is
[10:14] <Hobbsee> yes, i note that katapult is starting on startup now, too
[10:14] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: doesn't see the battery level
[10:14] <Riddell> starting is fine, showing itself is a bit random
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: yup noticed that too
[10:14] <Riddell> Tonio_: probably a linux issue rather than guidance specifically
[10:14] <Tonio_> Riddell: can be a macbook specific issue
[10:15] <Riddell> no macbooks here to test I'm afraid
[10:15] <Tonio_> oki
[10:16] <Hobbsee> seems OK here, but i'll have to awit for my battery to drop
[10:16] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll ping cjwatson, he uses a macbook pro afaik
[10:17] <Riddell> he uses a powerpc
[10:17] <Riddell> he's also still at breakfast
[10:18] <Hobbsee> bah, breakfast.
[10:18] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, I'll investigate this we then :)
[10:23] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'll publish kdelibs toonight, I may not have time today on that point
[10:24] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: right.  i'm awake nwo, so can look soonish
[10:24] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well did you commit your changes ?
[10:25] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: not yet :)
[10:25] <Tonio_> oki ;)
[11:25] <maniacmusician> nixternal: no more Biostar boards for you, then? :)
[11:49] <arun> Hello people
[11:50] <arun> I was wondering.. would it be possible to obtain high res vector files of the standard icons that come with kubuntu? crystalsvg, if i'm not mistaken
[11:51] <Hobbsee> arun: er...you'd have to contact everaldo who made the icons for that, i assume
[11:51] <Hobbsee> arun: unless they're in the sources currently, which i doubt
[11:52] <arun> Hobbsee: thank you
[11:55] <Hobbsee> no problem
[11:56] <kwwii> arun: no, he will not give you any vector sources, trust me
[11:56] <arun> kwwii: you have asked?
[11:56] <kwwii> arun: I used to be his boss :-)
[11:57] <kwwii> he might do it if he thinks he can get something out of it, but otherwise not
[11:58] <arun> aren't they licensed under GPL?
[11:59] <Riddell> LGPL
[12:01] <arun> apparently, gentoo has the SVGs of the CrystalSVG set
[12:01] <arun> not just pngs
[12:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: good enough, although slow (presumably due to debugging)
[12:05] <arunkale> thanks Hobbsee, kwwii, and Riddell
[12:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right
[12:05] <Riddell> arunkale: apt-get source kdelibs  has the SVGs for the ones which we have
[12:05] <Riddell> there's some more in kdebase
[12:05] <arunkale> thanks
[12:09] <arunkale> i saw this other set called crystal clear.. they are really good as well. everaldo is clearly very gifted
[12:10] <Riddell> yes, he is that
[12:11] <arunkale> i dont know if this is off topic, but would one be allowed to use GPL/LGPL icons on a web site?
[12:13] <Riddell> of course
[12:14] <Riddell> just mention somewhere the licence and link to the author
[12:14] <arunkale> alright
[12:14] <arunkale> is it imperative to put up the link to the author? i'm not going to be using the icons, just curious :)
[12:16] <arunkale> Riddell: are you jonathan riddell?
[12:17] <Riddell> it's not imperative, but it's polite, and you would need to include the copyright notice (so a quick link will probably keep everyone happy and be less onerous)
[12:17] <Riddell> I am
[12:17] <arunkale> wow, very pleased to meet you
[12:17] <Riddell> I'm even mentioned in wikipaedia I notice, I must be famous
[12:17] <arunkale> haha
[12:18] <arunkale> i was just downloading inkscape through adept
[12:18] <arunkale> and i saw your name
[12:18] <Riddell> ScottK: worked out why kmail wasn't installing on the CDs, it needed gnupg-agent which of course needed promoted to main.  done that now
[12:18] <Riddell> moi?  have I touched inkscape?
[12:18] <arunkale> i think there was some problem with adept
[12:19] <arunkale> or some problem with the inkscape definitions
[12:19] <Hobbsee> Riddell: clearly while you were asleep
[12:19] <arunkale> in the description, it gave the description for kaudiocreator, and you were mentioned as the author
[12:19] <Riddell> yeah, I do packaging in my sleep :)
[12:19] <arunkale> of inkscape
[12:19] <Riddell> that sounds messed up
[12:19] <arunkale> yup
[12:19] <arunkale> i can show you a screenshot :)
[12:19] <Riddell> sure
[12:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is actually an imposter of the real jonathan riddell
[12:27] <arunkale> Riddell: it's back to normal now
[12:28] <arunkale> Now it lists the maintainer as 'ubuntu core developers'
[12:28] <Riddell> quite right
[12:28] <arunkale> damn, i shoulda taken a screenshot when i could :)
[12:34] <arunkale> Riddell: I just ran 'apt-get source kdelibs'
[12:34] <arunkale> where will everything get stored to?
[12:39] <arunkale> ?
[01:02] <Riddell> arunkale: current directory
[01:03] <arunkale> got it
[01:04] <kwwii> when I try to open a password protected website it always asks for the username and login even though I select "keep password" every time...anyone know what is wrong?
[01:04] <manchicken> nixternal: You should be ashamed for your Perl comment.
[01:04] <manchicken> nixternal: Let the shame begin.
[01:07] <Riddell> whee, compiz-kde working
[01:08] <manchicken> Riddell: Do you know what's up with this weird libungif4g dependency in all of the KDE4 packages?
[01:09] <Riddell> manchicken: should go away with the kde4libs I uploaded this morning
[01:09] <manchicken> Sweet.
[01:09] <manchicken> Is that still in new, or do you expect that it's in the repo already?
[01:10] <Riddell> "Currently building"
[01:24] <Riddell> can everything please stop failing to compile
[01:30] <ScottK> Riddell: Good (I'm glad you got it fixed).  Sorry about that.  My understanding was it was automatic once it was a depends of a Main package.  Sounds like it was "automatic" from my perspective because only you had to do something.
[01:36] <manchicken> So when are we going to get apport bulit into the KDE crash handler for gutsy?
[01:36] <Riddell> manchicken: why would we want to?
[01:36] <manchicken> Because things keep crashing mysteriously, and apport is so sweet in how it automatically collects information and puts it on LP.
[01:36] <manchicken> Whoops the hell out of manually posting bug reports.
[01:37] <Riddell> but most crashes are upstream bugs, filing bugs on launchpad won't help
[01:37] <manchicken> No?  Aren't most of the bugs I've fixed in Adept this time around been upstream?
[01:38] <manchicken> I think two out of four have been
[01:38] <manchicken> (which in all fairness is half)
[01:38] <Riddell> well adept is rare in that it's as much our app as any upstreams
[01:38] <manchicken> Too true.
[01:38] <Riddell> but the rest of KDE is 99% upstream
[01:39] <Riddell> if we could somehow have apport for adept only that might make sense
[01:39] <manchicken> We could modify apport to know if it's a KDE upstream program, and if it is then send the bug report to bugs.kde.org :)
[01:39] <manchicken> I bet the KDE folks would LOVE that :)
[01:39] <Riddell> and it might make sense if apport could report KDE crashes to bugs.kde.org
[01:40] <manchicken> Beat you to it.
[01:40] <Riddell> but really the problem of where to report bugs doesn't have an answer because only developers know what's upstream and what's us
[01:42] <manchicken> Yeah, I have a reproducible crash in konqueror.
[01:46] <manchicken> Do you know the g++ version that was used to compile gutsy's kdenetwork?
[01:46] <manchicken> I'm guessing it'd be the same as gutsy itself.
[01:47] <manchicken> But since that's version has recently changed, I suppose I will be off.
[01:51] <manchicken> http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147842
[01:51] <ubotu> KDE bug 147842 in general "Reproducible konqueror crash on bestbuy.com's store locator" [Crash,Unconfirmed] 
[01:51] <manchicken> There ya go.
[02:05] <Hobbsee> Riddell: compiz-kde is actually testable now?  neat!
[02:05] <Riddell> Hobbsee: if you manually install compiz-plugins
[02:06] <Hobbsee> Riddell: right.
[02:06] <Hobbsee> as in, it doesnt kill the system, or something?
[02:06] <Hobbsee> neat
[02:06] <Riddell> doesn't seem to
[02:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: is there more plugins than that, or just them?
[02:19] <LongPointyStick> Riddell: i thought you said this *wasnt* supposed to kill my system
[02:22] <Riddell> what happened?
[02:22] <Hobbsee> Riddell: my window decorations are gone, i lost keyboard input, you cant unroll the kicker with compiz, you cant seem to move things onto other workplaces
[02:22] <Hobbsee> no configuration thing
[02:26] <Hobbsee> grrrr...who really needs keyboard input anyway?
[02:35] <Hobbsee> ah.  i forgot about the not being able to kill compiz with ctrl+c
[03:22] <manchicken> Did 3.5.7 get officially backported to feisty, or is 3.5.6 still the default KDE for feisty?
[03:23] <Hobbsee> manchicken: the default wont be changed by the backport, anyway
[03:23] <Riddell> both?
[03:23] <manchicken> I'm troubleshooting a kpilot problem with the folks over there and I need the versions of kpilot and pilot link that we were using in the KDE 3.5.6 on feisty.
[03:23] <manchicken> Where might I find this information?
[03:25] <ScottK> manchicken: Launchpad info on the package?
[03:25] <manchicken> That's a good idea.
[03:25] <manchicken> Except that I think those would be in kdepim
[03:26] <manchicken> That doesn't seem to be as helpful...
[03:26] <ScottK> Ah.
[03:27] <ScottK> apt-cache or dpkg should be able to help.
[03:27] <manchicken> I'm trying to find the version that is on the feisty ISO
[04:02] <Riddell> fabo: strigi can drop the wv dependency, it has native OLE parsing now
[04:04] <fabo> Riddell: ah, thanks.
[04:05] <fabo> Hobbsee: too much "alpha", i don't think it will be ready for next release ...
[04:05] <Hobbsee> fabo: darn
[04:06] <fabo> you can use kde four live cd to see it in action
[04:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the packages should install fine
[04:08] <Hobbsee> hmmm
[04:14] <fabo> strigi 0.5.3 must be released tuesday
[04:15] <Riddell> really?  I'm using strigi from svn and it seems quite unstable
[04:16] <Riddell> what happened to 0.5.2?
[04:16] <fabo> 0.5.2 was tagged but no tarballs created.
[04:26] <ryanakca> Any KDE apps that need to be packaged, or shall I just browse kde-apps?
[04:28] <Riddell> kde4sdk ?
[04:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: update it?
[04:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: yes
[04:33] <Riddell> ryanakca: use debian/cdbs from kde4base
[04:33] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok
[04:33] <Riddell> and change debian/rules to use debian/cdbs/kde.mk
[04:33] <Riddell> as the only include
[04:34] <ryanakca> use debian/cdbs from kde4base as debian/cdbs for kde4sdk or debian/rules?
[04:35] <Riddell> as debian/cdbs
[04:35] <Riddell> it's a directory
[04:37] <ryanakca> ah, ok
[04:38] <ryanakca> Riddell: umm. And I presume I'm supposed to pull from SVN?
[04:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: no
[04:41] <Riddell> ryanakca: kde 4 alpha 2
[04:42] <ryanakca> ah, ok, thanks
[04:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: do we still need to comment out 'add_subdirectory(kioslave)' in CMakeLists.txt, as well as 'if(HAVE_FLEXLEXER_H)' 'add_subdirectory(kbabel)' 'endif(HAVE_FLEXLEXER_H)' ?
[04:51] <Riddell> I've no idea, try not doing so and seeing if it compiled
[04:51] <Riddell> compiles
[04:52] <ryanakca> ok
[04:56] <Riddell> it didn't compile last time round
[04:56] <Riddell> oh, you'll need to build-dep on quilt too
[04:57] <ryanakca> ok
[04:58] <ryanakca> standards version 3.7.2.2 this time?
[05:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: in build-deps, should I stick in kdepimlibs4 3.80.3 or 3.91.0 (I don't think 3.91.0 has been built yet)
[05:26] <Riddell> 3.91.0
[05:27] <Riddell> kdepimlibs seems to be getting on ok https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepimlibs/3.91.0-0ubuntu4
[05:28] <ryanakca> ah, good, I guess packages.ubuntu.com just hasn't had time to update :)
[05:29] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm. Has James Troup talked to you at all about RT 27573 ?
[05:29] <Riddell> ryanakca: no, what is it?
[05:31] <ryanakca> Riddell: a month and a half ago, elmo said he'd try to get groupware.kubuntu.org for the groupware server, and that he'd have to check various canonical people & you before getting the permission to create it...
[05:33] <Riddell> oh, no idea
[05:33] <Riddell> I'd use another domain
[05:34] <Riddell> although I'm not entirely convinced we need a groupware server
[05:34] <ryanakca> ah?
[05:34] <ryanakca> hmm...
[05:34] <ryanakca> should I mail kubuntu-devel see if there's still interest?
[05:34] <Riddell> sure
[06:03] <Riddell> ryanakca: http://kubuntu.org/~jriddell/tmp/kdepimlibs/ has fixed kdepimlibs
[06:03] <Riddell> I've uploaded that as ubuntu5 so build-dep on that before uploading kdesdk
[06:04] <ryanakca> ok
[06:04] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: are there kde4 aplpha2 packages yet? not to be a nag or anything.
[06:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: pbuilder can't seem to find kdelibs5 or kdelibs5-dev
[06:05] <ryanakca>  -> Considering  kdelibs5 (>= 3.91.0-0ubuntu3)
[06:05] <ryanakca> W: Unable to locate package kdelibs5
[06:06] <nosrednaekim> oh, thats what you guys are working on :)
[06:07] <Riddell> ryanakca: gusty with universe enabled?
[06:07] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: yes, in gutsy
[06:07] <nosrednaekim> ok, great.
[06:07] <nosrednaekim> how about fiesty, or are you not bothering with that?
[06:07] <ryanakca> Riddell: should be, after running `pbuilder-gutsy update --override-config --othermirror "deb http://archives.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy universe"`
[06:08] <Riddell> I don't know enough about pbuilder to confirm that
[06:08] <Riddell> but it's definately there
[06:09] <ryanakca> ok
[06:09] <ryanakca> should it be kdelibs5 or kdelibs5-dev?
[06:11] <Riddell> kdelibs5-dev for a build-dep
[06:12] <ryanakca> ok
[06:12] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: why arent you using a .pbuilderrc file?
[06:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: http://pastebin.ca/617923 , except it doesn't update with universe/multiverse/etc
[06:13] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: unless I should just rm the base .tgz and run pbuilder-gutsy create again...
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: shouldnt need to
[06:14] <Hobbsee> oh okay, so you're not running an aptconfigdir
[06:14] <Hobbsee> but the components should do it
[06:14] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: oh.  where is this file?
[06:17] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: $HOME/pbuilder/gutsy/pbuilderrc
[06:17] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm using the pbuilder-distribution.sh (pbuilder-gutsy , etc ) that used to be "taught" on the old pbuilder howto on the wiki
[06:20] <Hobbsee> erk
[06:21] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: did you get the location before your connection went?
[06:21] <Hobbsee> no
[06:21] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i missed everything after what i last said
[06:22] <Hobbsee>  it appears that the mute button on my old laptop is now the standby button.  which doesnt work, on this laptop
[06:23] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: $HOME/pbuilder/gutsy/pbuilderrc
[06:23] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: I'm using the pbuilder-distribution.sh (pbuilder-gutsy , etc ) that used to be "taught" on the old pbuilder howto on the wiki
[06:23] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: ah yes, i know what hte problem likely is
[06:24] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: run "locate pbuilderrc" and remove all those that arent the one you want
[06:24] <Hobbsee> although, i'm surprised that it'd be using another one, if you've hardcoded the pbuilderrc in the p-d.sh
[06:28] <ryanakca> updating...
[06:31] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: my guess is on it using one of those other files, instead of the one you want
[06:31] <Hobbsee> that's what i find sometimes happens
[06:35] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: hmmm
[06:40] <nosrednaekim> I asked last night when no devs were really around, so i'll ask again now. Would you guys like a automated gui grub fixer?
[06:41] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: what would that do?
[06:42] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: mhb and xercies are working on a grub gui config
[06:42] <nosrednaekim> ah... ok. what I was thinking of was a something to recover grub from the liveCD after you install windows or something like that.
[06:45] <nosrednaekim> Riddell: ^^
[06:48] <Riddell> nosrednaekim: it should be part of the same thing (if it isn't already)
[06:48] <Riddell> talk to mhb
[06:49] <nosrednaekim> ok. thanks.
[06:49] <Hobbsee> Riddell: you guys are all leaving london in the next day or so, right?
[06:49] <nosrednaekim> mhb is really busy!
[06:55] <Riddell> Hobbsee: yes
[06:56] <Riddell> we're opening the beer right now
[06:56] <Hobbsee> right
[06:56] <Hobbsee> haha
[06:56] <Hobbsee> enjoy it ;)
[06:56] <Hobbsee> Riddell: just remember....no glass around the pool :P
[07:05] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:/devel/kde3.5.7/kdelibs/kdelibs-3.5.7/debian$ bzr-buildpackage -S
[07:05] <Hobbsee> Building branch from revision hobbsee@kubuntu.org-20070713170311-t226irv521xxwzva
[07:05] <Hobbsee> bzr: ERROR: Unprintable exception DebianError: dict={'_preformatted_string': None}, fmt='A Debian packaging error occurred: %(message)s', error=KeyError('message',)
[07:05] <Hobbsee> uh...what?
[07:10] <jdong> DebianError?
[07:10] <jdong> fascinating
[07:11] <Hobbsee> lovely, non-descript error
[07:11] <Hobbsee> works fine with debuild, after doign an export...
[07:15] <gnomefreak> i always get that :(
[07:15] <gnomefreak> its a typo iirc
[07:15] <Hobbsee> well, debuild didnt pick it up
[07:18] <gnomefreak> bzr bd is been failing where dpkg-buildpackage isnt failing its kind of sickening so i stoped using bzr bd
[07:19] <Hobbsee> ah
[07:39] <mhb> hi folks
[07:46] <Hobbsee> hi mhb!
[07:49] <mhb> Hobbsee: shouldn't you be fast asleep at this hour?
[07:50] <Hobbsee> mhb: yes.  i'm waiting on kdelibs to build.
[07:50] <Hobbsee> and avoiding updating my resume, which is foolish.
[07:53] <ryanakca> hehe
[07:53] <Hobbsee> ahem.  of course, i'd never do that.
[07:53] <Hobbsee> *shifty look*
[07:53] <Hobbsee> and i'd never say that with any archive admins around and watching :P
[07:54] <Hobbsee> night all
[07:54] <mhb> good
[07:54] <mhb> nighty
[07:56] <mhb> ryanakca: how much time did you spend setting that server up already?
[07:56] <mhb> ryanakca: (kolab)
[07:57] <mhb> ryanakca: In other news, Ryan A. Kavanagh (75) recieved an Order of the British Empire for setting a Kolab server for the Kubuntu development.
[08:15] <ryanakca> mhb: too much
[08:15] <ryanakca> mhb: I'm guessing a couple days worth in total :)
[08:15] <ryanakca> mhb: but... that's spread out over a month or so :)
[08:20] <mhb> ryanakca: please, please, set it up!
[08:20] <mhb> ryanakca: once and for all
[08:20] <ryanakca> hehe
[08:22] <ryanakca> mhb: well, reply saying that you vote for it :)
[08:24] <mhb> dist-upgrade went fine for me
[08:24] <ryanakca> but I don't think I can setup an LVM with dist-upgrade... I'd have to repartition
[08:26] <manchicken_> Is there any reason why /usr/src/linux is still pointing at 2.6.17in gutsy?
[08:41] <manchicken_> Hmm... lirc-modules-source won't actually build under 2.6.22...
[09:16] <manchicken_> This would probably all be a lot easier if I actually had a proper source tree :)
[09:17] <manchicken_> why don't we try to have the lirc_mceusb and lirc_mceusb2 modules installed by default, or in some binary form to install?  I think that folks with MCE remotes are more and more common.
[09:17] <ScottK> ryanakca: Isn't there stuff in the Ubuntu repositories that would do the groupware functions.
[09:19] <manchicken_> Isn't egroupware in the repos?
[09:20] <ScottK> Dunno, just as I read his message he had to compile stuff.
[09:21] <manchicken_> I cannot get these directions to work...
[09:21] <manchicken_> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Ubuntu_lirc_install
[09:26] <manchicken_> Holy crap
[09:26] <manchicken_> It works if you use the m-a scripts one at  time rather than cut&pasting the lot of them.
[09:32] <hunger> Hmmm... somebody fix network manager? Thanks whoever did it!
[09:32] <ryanakca> ScottK: yes, egroupware is in the repos
[09:33] <ryanakca> ScottK: we were compiling kolab on his gentoo server :)
[09:33] <ScottK> Ah.  OK.
[09:33] <ryanakca> but this time around, I'm either compiling the new kolab (I don't think our packages have been updated yet) or using the egroupware packages on a feisty server
[09:34] <ScottK> When it comes to setting something like this up, I really think we ought to eat our own dogfood and use stuff out of the repos.
[09:34] <ScottK> What about packaging the update for kolab then?
[09:34] <ryanakca> ScottK: I could do that
[09:35] <ScottK> You could probably get help from the ubuntu-server team if you needed it.
[09:35] <ScottK> I'd be glad to help with the packaging too.
[09:35] <ryanakca> the first time around it was because it was his vmware session (he wanted to set it up) on his dedicated server, but since then, he's just transfered it to me
[09:35] <ryanakca> Paleo: hey!
[09:37] <ryanakca> hmmm
[09:38] <ScottK> Actually it turns out the message went to ubuntu-devel-announce.
[09:39] <ryanakca> ah
[09:46] <mhb> ScottK: eh? it didn't
[09:47] <ScottK> The message I was referring to was about joining the server team.
[09:47] <ScottK> It said To: ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com, ubuntu-server@lists.ubuntu.com
[09:48] <mhb> ah
[09:48] <mhb> ScottK: right, then
[09:49] <manchicken_> HOLY CRAP LIRC RULES.  kdelirc has got to be the coolest thing ever.
[09:49] <manchicken_> I'm getting more functionality out of this remote under kdelirc than I was under windows.  Super sweet.
[09:50] <ryanakca> lirc?
[09:56] <manchicken_> IRC remote control stuff.
[09:58] <ryanakca> ah
[10:02] <manchicken_> What program is the one that handles the volume up and volume down OSD and the mute OSD?  Is that khotkeys or something?
[10:02] <manchicken_> I'm trying to figure out how to get the remote to work with the OSD.  I can send a DCOP signal to anything I want, I just have to know what I want :)
[10:03] <ryanakca> manchicken_: isn't that kmilo?
[10:03] <ryanakca> And, did we ever get compact kmilo setup for gutsy?
[10:03] <manchicken_> It looks pretty small, but I don't think that's what you're talking about.
[10:04] <ryanakca> just a second, I'll get the link
[10:04] <manchicken_> I'm trying to figure out how to use dcop to simulate the event that the hotkey for volume up triggers.
[10:05] <ryanakca> manchicken_: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/KMilo+-+Customizable+DefaultSkin?content=56287
[10:06] <manchicken_> Yeah, but that doesn't help me get the OSD to show up when I tell kmix to volume up and down.
[10:07] <ryanakca> maybe look at the kmix source?
[10:12] <manchicken_> It's not that important :)
[10:14] <ScottK> maybe tsmithe on #ubuntu-motu would help you.  He's a Gnomish person, but know a fair amount about sound.
[10:17] <fdoving> manchicken_: you can use xsendkeycode to send the XF86AudioRaiseVolume and XF86AudioLowerVolume events.
[10:18] <fdoving> xsendkeycode comes with lineakd.
[10:56] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:59] <mhb> hi _StefanS_
[11:10] <manchicken_> fdoving: That's not something you can do with a normal dcop call?
[11:13] <ryanakca> manchicken_: looked at http://docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdemultimedia/kmix/dcop-examples.html ?
[11:19] <manchicken_> Yeah, I know that part :)
[11:19] <ryanakca> :)
[11:20] <manchicken_> This is sweet.  I finally have both my kubuntu laptop and the vista machine working together with audio.
[11:21] <manchicken_> I'm running the vista machine through kubuntu so that I can use the better audio controls in kde.
[11:27] <manchicken_> Wow, don't point konqueror at /usr/share and try to search :)
[11:30] <ryanakca> hehe
[11:32] <ScottK> ryanakca: The easiest way is to just use laserjock's pbuilder scripts.  Let me get you a link.
[11:32] <manchicken_> aptitude is teasing me.
[11:32] <manchicken_> It lets me auto-complete for emacs22, but when I try to install it it says there's no candidate version.
[11:32] <ScottK> That's because it's in NEW.
[11:33] <ScottK> Package exists, but doesn't have anythin in it yet.
[11:33] <manchicken_> Evil.
[11:33] <ScottK> ryanakca: http://revu.tauware.de/~laserjock/
[11:36] <ryanakca> ScottK: ah, I guess I still need the pbuilderrc required for the original pbuilder-distribution.sh script?
[11:37] <ScottK> Do you?  I've never tried to use that with a pbuilder built another way.  It just gives a warning for me if there's no pbuilderrc.
[11:37] <manchicken_> ryanakca: You're Ryan K, right?
[11:37] <manchicken_> The one talking about kolab and all that?
[11:38] <ryanakca> manchicken_: yes
[11:38] <manchicken_> ryanakca: I just replied.  I think that's a great idea for more than just our own organization.
[11:38] <manchicken_> I think a lot of business folks use groupware, and that a lot of the programs that support that functionality are more obtuse and bug-prone than some of our more popular apps.
[11:39] <manchicken_> I think this will help that.
[11:39] <ryanakca> It'll also permit us to bug test Kontact to see how good it's groupware support really is...
[11:39] <manchicken_> kolab integrates with kontact, right?
[11:39] <ryanakca> yes
[11:40] <manchicken_> Groovy.
[11:40] <ryanakca> and eGroupware does too, iirc
[11:40] <manchicken_> kontact is one of my favorite programs.
[11:41] <ryanakca> same here
[11:42] <ryanakca> If you're good with server administration, feel free to help out :)
[11:42] <manchicken_> And now that I've got this speaker setup working, Amarok will get more use :)
[11:42] <manchicken_> I don't know if I'd say I was good at server administration.
[11:42] <manchicken_> heh
[11:43] <manchicken_> You see, I don't read books like that :)
[11:43] <manchicken_> I read Tom Clancy :)
[11:43] <ryanakca> but, still doesn't make me close to knowledgeable in server security
[11:43] <ryanakca> hehe
[11:43] <ryanakca> Terry Brooks and Robert Jordan here