[12:30] <DanaG> oh yay, apparently the libcurl issues have been fixed.
[12:30] <DanaG> Or so it seems.
[12:32] <Tretle> hey can anyone help me with this error i get when i try and enable desktop effects
[12:32] <Tretle> Failed to execute child process "gtk-window-decorator" (No such file or directory)
[12:41] <Jordan_U> Tretle, is gtk-window-decorator an available command for you?
[12:43] <Tretle> it said it wasnt installed
[12:43] <Tretle> tretle@Tretle-Desktop:~$ sudo apt-get install compiz-gtk
[12:43] <Tretle> Reading package lists... Done
[12:43] <Tretle> Building dependency tree
[12:43] <Tretle> Reading state information... Done
[12:43] <Tretle> Package compiz-gtk is not available, but is referred to by another package.
[12:43] <Tretle> This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or
[12:43] <Tretle> is only available from another source
[12:43] <Tretle> However the following packages replace it:
[12:43] <Tretle>   compiz-gnome
[12:43] <Tretle> E: Package compiz-gtk has no installation candidate
[12:43] <Tretle> tretle@Tretle-Desktop:~$
[12:45] <Tretle> so shouldn't desktop effects be calling upon compiz gnome?
[12:46] <munckfish> bronson, Jordan_U: if you guys are interested I raised my bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager/+bug/125662
[12:46] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125662 in network-manager "Loss of DNS shortly after startup because /etc/init.d/networks isn't ignoring interfaces marked as roaming" [Undecided,New] 
[12:47] <Tretle> is compiz-gtk the new one or is it compiz-gnome
[12:48] <Jordan_U> Tretle, try installing compiz-gnome
[12:48] <Jordan_U> Tretle, compiz-gtk is what it was with regular compiz ( pre fusion )
[12:48] <Tretle> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[12:48] <Tretle>   compiz-gnome: Depends: compiz-core (= 1:0.5.1+git20070712-0ubuntu1) but 1:0.3.6-1ubuntu13 is to be installed
[12:48] <Tretle> E: Broken packages
[12:49] <Tretle> hmmmmm
[12:49] <Tretle> thats extremely odd
[12:50] <Jordan_U> Yay, more package breakage!
[12:50] <Tretle> !pastebin
[12:50] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:50] <Jordan_U> Tretle, See if you have ubuntu-desktop installed
[12:53] <Tretle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29730/
[12:53] <Tretle> openoffice seems to be a recurring problem
[12:59] <Tretle> any ideas?
[12:59] <Pici> Tretle: /topic ;)
[01:00] <Tretle> nah.... not buying that.... didnt have this issue when I installed gutsy a few days ago
[01:00] <Tretle> ;) :D :P
[01:00] <Pici> Well, if it makes you feel any better, I'm getting the same errors.
[01:01] <Tretle> well i uninstalled open office completely and reinstalled and that fixed that error
[01:01] <Tretle> but now i have more errors
[01:01] <Tretle> :D
[01:04] <Tretle> how can openoffice be breaking apt
[01:04] <Tretle> :(
[01:04] <Tretle> thats just a joke
[01:04] <Tretle> should it have privilages to apt?
[01:10] <Tretle> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29735/
[01:11] <Tretle> can someone actually confirm this as being a libcurl issue
[01:11] <Tretle> I doubt it is
[01:15] <pvandewyngaerde> Yes, there are libcurl* and openoffice issues ATM.
[01:15] <pvandewyngaerde> its an openoffice issue, see topic
[01:16] <Tretle> I was jsut making sure... so composite is broken as a result of libcurl?
[01:27] <Tretle> im going to do a fresh install if i can
[01:45] <bronson> I have a T61 Tablet that I'm also trying to install Gutsy on.
[01:45] <bronson> The install went fine.
[01:45] <bronson> But wireless isn't recognized at all.
[01:45] <bronson> It's a Intel WiFi Link 4965 AGN ...  Anyone know if that's supposed to work?
[01:46] <pvandewyngaerde> i think the kernel has some wireless issues right now
[01:48] <bronson> Said with pvandewyngaerde's last breath...!
[01:49] <bronson> Hm, that's bad news.  Guess I'll ask the kernel guys.
[01:49] <crimsun> not the proper channel.
[01:49] <crimsun> -kernel is for development, not support.
[01:56] <DanaG> Odd: ifupdown is failing to run anything under /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/
[02:21] <bronson> crimsun: really?  not sure what a better channel would be.  (my question: "is 4965 merged?" not: "why my wify no work?"  :)
[02:21] <bronson> So...  wait a few weeks for the 4965...  I can live with that.
[02:21] <bronson> Now I'll try to figure out why the SVGA driver is being used instead of the Intel driver.
[03:08] <DanaG> (qemu) sendto: Bad file descriptor
[03:12] <RAOF> Cool
[03:13] <DanaG> I'm trying to use VDE.
[03:14] <RAOF> Vde?
[03:14] <DanaG> Yeah, a virtual network switch.
[03:14] <DanaG> !info vde2
[03:14] <ubotu> vde2: Virtual Distributed Ethernet. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.6+r154-1 (gutsy), package size 125 kB, installed size 416 kB
[03:14] <RAOF> Ooooh.  Sounds useful
[03:16] <DanaG> Oh hey, I think I just fixed it.
[03:16] <DanaG> Somehow my adding myself to that group had not taken effect.
[03:17] <DanaG> Yay, now to find an FTP server with a Windows 3.1-compatible browser.
[03:17] <DanaG> I'm doing that just to make people ask why.
[03:17] <RAOF> :)
[03:18] <DanaG> I took the easy way out and chmodded /var/run/vde2 to 777.
[03:18] <DanaG> But now I have to make NAT work.
[03:19] <DanaG> I can't find anything that says "Use tap0 as interior, and (everything else) as exterior".
[03:19] <DanaG> Everything, such as firestarter, wants a specific interface name to use as external.
[03:19] <bronson> A lot of "g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption..." messages are appearing in .xsession-errors.
[03:20] <RAOF> bronson: Yup.
[03:20] <bronson> Can't find anything in Launchpad or bugzilla.gnome.org about this...
[03:20] <bronson> Seems easy enough to fix.  Should I look into it?
[03:20] <RAOF> bronson: Then your search-foo is weak :)
[03:20] <bronson> hm.  Probably.
[03:20] <DanaG> (process:12096): Gtk-WARNING **: This process is currently running setuid or setgid.  This is not a supported use of GTK+. You must create a helper program instead.
[03:21] <DanaG> Argh, what a USELESS error message -- as soon as the error is printed, that process EXITS, leaving you with NO way to find out what the heck the NAME was.
[03:21] <RAOF> bronson: You're after bug 116870
[03:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 116870 in glib2.0 "[gutsy]  GSlice: g_thread_init() Warning messages" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/116870
[03:22] <bronson> RAOF: thanks.  I can't find any combination of words that gets Launchpad's search to come up with that.
[03:22] <RAOF> Also, non-trivial to fix :)
[03:22] <RAOF> bronson: Eh, I just looked at the glib2.0 bug list
[03:23] <DanaG> !webcam
[03:23] <ubotu> Instructions for using webcams with Ubuntu can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam - Supported cams: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsMultimediaWebCameras
[03:23] <DanaG> I need to find one that works in Gutsy and in "Veeeeestaah" (as some people pronounce it).
[03:23] <RAOF> bronson: Also, it's the third hit for "g_thread_init" on searching for Ubuntu bugs :)
[03:24] <Linracoon> any kubuntu kdebase developer around?
[03:24] <bronson> gah.  I didn't think of using *only* that term.
[03:24] <bronson> Why make things simple?
[03:30] <bronson> Wow, that bug has a long and florid history.
[03:30] <bronson> Guess I'll leave it to the experts.  :)
[03:30] <RAOF> Yup.  Non-trivial :)
[03:31] <bronson> The error message sure makes it sound easy!
[03:33] <RAOF> But the reason for the late call is buried deep in support libraries.
[03:33] <bronson> Yep.  It's fundamental architecture mixed with a fair amount of legacy...
[03:33] <bronson> Give me something easy to fix!
[03:34] <RAOF> You want something easy to fix?
[03:34] <RAOF> Hmmm....
[03:39] <spikeb>  anyone know how to fix this: "current dist not found in meta-release file" when running update manager?
[03:41] <mrsno__> bug 120572
[03:41] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 120572 in update-manager "[gutsy]  update-manager "install" no longer upgrading anything" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/120572
[03:41] <mrsno__> same as that spikeb ?
[03:42] <spikeb> bbl sorry
[03:42] <Flannel> No, it's on upgrade.  He's on feisty trying to upgrade (I've got the same issue)
[03:42] <mrsno__> oh dist-upgrading from feisty to gutsy
[03:43] <mrsno__> bed for me, nn penguins :)
[03:43] <Flannel> Right.  I've got feisty-proposed, and upgraded to the proper version of update-manager, but still get the error
[04:19] <bronson> Hm, Gutsy xorg doesn't seem to drive my GMA X3100 - based laptop.
[04:19] <bronson> I mean, it does with the vesa driver, but not with intel.
[04:39] <masterloki> ok
[04:39] <masterloki> amd 64 x2 4800+
[04:39] <masterloki> is it worth getting the 64bit os for
[04:39] <masterloki> only got a gig of ram for it gonna get another gig and vid card in 2 weeks
[04:39] <masterloki> ??????
[04:40] <RAOF> masterloki: Dependo
[04:41] <masterloki> on?
[04:41] <masterloki> !gutsy
[04:41] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[04:41] <RAOF> How much you care about performance
[04:41] <masterloki> meaning?
[04:41] <masterloki> which would perform better
[04:42] <RAOF> The amd64 variant.  x86-64 is a less braindead ISA than IA32
[04:43] <masterloki> well its only got 1 gig of ddr2 800 ram - single stick so it doesnt even do ddr atm
[04:43] <masterloki> till i get the other
[04:43] <RAOF> So, the 64bit distro averages out to about 10% faster or so on everything
[04:43] <masterloki> but my other compy took a big fat crapola
[04:43] <masterloki> ah
[04:43] <masterloki> not that much
[04:43] <masterloki> well w/e
[04:43] <masterloki> i'll give it a shot
[04:44] <RAOF> Some things (A/V work, for example, do substantially better)
[04:44] <masterloki> its firefox-32 for the 32 bit firefox to force flash to work right?
[04:44] <RAOF> Eh, or gnash.  That's free, and plays youtube now :)
[04:44] <masterloki> gnash?
[04:45] <masterloki> ok i'll give it a shot - anything to get rid of 'flash'
[04:45] <masterloki> ok im gonna be back and forth a bit
[04:45] <masterloki> but yeah thanx as always man
[04:45] <RAOF> Gnash is the GNU free flash implementation
[04:45] <masterloki> ya
[04:45] <masterloki> instead of adobe or w/e
[04:46] <masterloki> now to find a screwdriver :P
[04:48] <DanaG> Gnash can't do YouTube. :(
[04:48] <DanaG> At least, not well.
[05:46] <DanaG> ** (gnome-panel:5370): WARNING **: panel-applet-frame.c:1278: failed to load applet OAFIID:Deskbar_Applet:
[05:46] <DanaG> Failed to resolve, or extend '!prefs_key=/apps/panel/applets/applet_0/prefs;background=none:;orient=down;size=x-small;locked_down=false
[05:46] <DanaG> aah, switched to flat-file and re-imported.
[05:46] <DanaG> er, that was fix for my compiz issue.
[06:02] <DanaG> Argh, all my panel applets just broke.
[06:46] <DanaG> Argh, nearly all of my Gnome panel applets are broken, and I don't know why.
[06:52] <DanaG> How would I go about debugging it?
[07:37] <Solarion> so, anyone else having openoffice.org barf on install?
[07:37] <Solarion> No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/locolor'.
[07:40] <Tretle> libcurl
[07:41] <Tretle> !topic
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[07:41] <Solarion> ah
[07:41] <Solarion> I didn't see any bugs in bugzilla
[07:42] <Tretle> it's messed up apt too
[07:42] <Tretle> u should just ignore it
[07:42] <Solarion> it'll go away?
[07:42] <Tretle> did you upgrade or just do a fresh install?
[07:42] <Solarion> :)
[07:42] <Tretle> Yes, there are libcurl* and openoffice issues ATM.
[07:43] <Tretle> they will be fixed
[07:43] <Solarion> didn't notice the curl ones
[07:43] <Solarion> sad that I don't have time to help.  :(
[07:44] <Tretle> its being fixed by an open office maintainer
[07:44] <Solarion> wonder what's horked
[07:44] <Tretle> so theres not much point asking when it will be fixed here
[07:45] <Tretle> compatability issues with libcurl3 apparently
[07:45] <Solarion> weird
[07:45] <Tretle> it was supposed to be backwards compatable
[07:45] <Tretle> but it isn't
[07:45] <Solarion> always fatal last words
[07:45] <Solarion> that and, "pull my finger"
[07:45] <Tretle> hell yeah :D
[07:45] <Tretle> hahaha
[08:32] <SlickMcRunfast> Hello
[08:32] <SlickMcRunfast> is there a list somewhere of the new additions to tribe 3?
[08:59] <gnomefreak> SlickMcRunfast: not yet tribe 3 will be released next week iirc and about a day or 2 before release they make a wiki. It will be at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/tribe3 when its done
[09:01] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: ooo hasnt propogated to all mirrors yet
[09:02] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: it did here :( so i figured it was in most
[09:02] <Hobbsee> i just dont want more people filing bugs on it, really...
[09:02] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: 70 dupes is enough
[09:02] <gnomefreak> agreed ok ill add it back than, i have no way of telling what mirrors it has hit
[09:43] <rohan> can someone please give me the output of "ls /etc/init.d/hal*" on an up-to-date gutsy system ? thanks ..
[09:43] <rohan> i am trying to debug a problem that is occuring on my system ..
[10:01] <Hobbsee> sarah@LongPointyStick:~$ ls /etc/init.d/hal*
[10:01] <Hobbsee> /etc/init.d/hal  /etc/init.d/halt
[10:01] <Hobbsee> rohan: ^
[10:09] <rohan> Hobbsee: thanks a lot
[10:09] <Hobbsee> rohan: no problem
[10:09] <rohan> Hobbsee: there is no way to control hal .. on initscript .. on the backports pacakges of hal for feisty
[10:09] <rohan> this _has_ to be a bug ..
[10:09] <Hobbsee> i have no idea
[10:09] <rohan> the feisty pacakges are backported from gutsy, i think.
[10:09] <Hobbsee> i dont touch hal
[10:10] <Hobbsee> ....what?  who backported hal?
[10:10] <rohan> Hobbsee: right, but atleast this script - /etc/init.d/hal - should exist for any system ?
[10:10] <Hobbsee> !info hall feisty-backports
[10:10] <ubotu> Package hall does not exist in feisty-backports
[10:10] <Hobbsee> !info hal feisty-backports
[10:10] <ubotu> hal: Hardware Abstraction Layer. In component main, is optional. Version 0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1 (feisty-backports), package size 642 kB, installed size 1632 kB
[10:10] <gnomefreak> rohan: if someone backported hal than they shouldnt have
[10:10] <Hobbsee> oh, interesting
[10:10] <rohan> gnomefreak: they shouldn't have, correct
[10:10] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: or jdong is on crack
[10:11] <gnomefreak> that should never have been accepted :(
[10:11] <gnomefreak> well lets see who did it :)
[10:11] <rohan> or even if accepted.. how can it pass such a basic test .. of not being able to control it !
[10:11] <rohan> and because of that, i think, hwdb-kde on kubuntu is
[10:11] <rohan> _always_ failing
[10:11] <Hobbsee> there's a good reason why we dont support backports...
[10:12] <rohan> Hobbsee: correct, i am not blaming ubuntu or any of the developers :)
[10:13] <rohan> should i file a bug against the hal package of feisty-backports for this ?
[10:13] <gnomefreak> ther eisnt a -backports section
[10:13] <Hobbsee> rohan: is it a bug in gutsy?
[10:13] <rohan> Hobbsee: no. feisty-backports
[10:13] <Hobbsee> rohan: yes, but does it apply in gutsy too?
[10:13] <gnomefreak> rohan: does it work as expected in gutsy?
[10:14] <rohan> Hobbsee: no, because as you showed, it has that initscript in gutsy
[10:14] <rohan> gnomefreak: yes
[10:14] <rohan> i am asking here because the package was backported from gutsy ..
[10:15] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: cant find feistybackports on changelogs.ubuntu nor on packages.ubuntu anywhere else to look?
[10:15] <rohan> 13:40 < gnomefreak> rohan: if someone backported hal than they shouldnt have  --> just for my info, why ?
[10:15] <Hobbsee> rohan: because a lot of stuff depends on hal
[10:15] <gnomefreak> rohan: its one of those packages that cause problems
[10:15] <Hobbsee> rohan: right.  then i suggest you speak to jdong
[10:15] <gnomefreak> sort of like libc6 :(
[10:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah, launchpad
[10:15] <rohan> ouch
[10:15] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: please dont tell me that someone backported libc6.
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: no someone wanted to backport gcc4.2 though :(
[10:16] <rohan> Hobbsee: hmm.. no crack is that strong ;)
[10:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yummy
[10:16] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: but wanted to != actually getting it
[10:16] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: hell no
[10:16] <rohan> how do i downgrade to the hal packages of original feisty ? i can use apt pinning ,right ?
[10:16] <gnomefreak> told him to try it on his own in chroot
[10:17] <rohan> because i do want the other packages from feisty-backports
[10:17] <gnomefreak> rohan: sudo apt-get install hal=versionnumber
[10:17] <gnomefreak> and comment out backports repos
[10:17] <rohan> gnomefreak: but the koffice and django packages from backports are nice :)
[10:17] <gnomefreak> rohan: cn you please pastebin apt-cache policy hal
[10:18] <gnomefreak> rohan: you can get the koffice packages from feisty kde repos
[10:18] <rohan> http://rafb.net/p/S0h6hH65.html
[10:18] <gnomefreak> also unofficial repos but thats all they have is needed packages and depends (no hal updates or anything that will bork your system)
[10:19] <gnomefreak> rohan: sudo apt-get install hal=0.5.8.1-4ubuntu12
[10:19] <rohan> ok, if it's so bad, i'll disable backports .. i thought because it's semi-official it might be good
[10:19] <rohan> thanks ,gnomefreak
[10:19] <rohan> do i file a bug, then ?
[10:20] <gnomefreak> well that is very helpful :( it sems pitti was replaced by core-dev in maintainer
[10:20] <gnomefreak> rohan: yes please and giv eme link so i can find out who and why did that
[10:20] <rohan> gnomefreak: ok, filing a bug in feisty-backports against hal.
[10:22] <rohan> i knew about this problem from a long time .. i wish i had reported it earlier :(
[10:26] <rohan> i think this might be related to the same problem -
[10:26] <rohan> 12:47 < rohan> is there some problem with the "Kubuntu Hardware Database" program ? all hdb's that i send using that program are listed as interim .. e.g. http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=95fa009ef390709fc17a743cc38d5942 and http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=4eebe92a8e973ae9122d74f6e476d5eb
[10:26] <rohan> gnomefreak: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/125717
[10:26] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125717 in feisty-backports "No initscript in hal 0.5.9" [Undecided,New] 
[10:27] <gnomefreak> rohan: ty
[10:27] <rohan> :)
[10:27] <rohan> shall i downgrade hal, then ?
[10:29] <gnomefreak> rohan: do you have /etc/dbus/event.d/20hal
[10:29] <rohan> there is no /etc/dbus
[10:29] <gnomefreak> rohan: it shouldnt have initscript
[10:30] <rohan> /etc/dbus-1
[10:30] <rohan> and there is no 20hal in /etc/dbus-1
[10:30] <gnomefreak>  pitti > gnomefreak: /etc/dbus/event.d/20hal
[10:30] <gnomefreak> 04:29 <           pitti > hal *never* had an init script until recent gutsy
[10:31] <rohan> huh. i am sure i had seen an initscript on the live cd ..
[10:32] <rohan> oh .. it seems i might be wrong..
[10:33] <gnomefreak> rohan: comment on bug with what you find out so he can look at it if it really is a bug
[10:34] <rohan> gnomefreak: ok, i'll boot with the livecd. but anyhow, the problem with kubuntu device manager stands.
[10:34] <gnomefreak> rohan: file it against that
[10:34] <rohan> gnomefreak: ok, i'll diagnose the problem more .. thanks for the help :
[10:34] <rohan> :)
[10:34] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:34] <rohan> especially when you are dizzy :D
[10:35] <gnomefreak> :)
[10:35] <rohan> there is a ubuntu sprint in progress ?
[10:36] <gnomefreak> rohan: has been all week
[10:36] <gnomefreak> today is last day
[10:36] <rohan> oh .. i didnt know about it :-/
[10:37] <rohan> anyway, i'll reboot from the live cd
[10:37] <rohan> brb
[10:42] <rohan> ok, as far as the initscript thing is concerned, i was wrong ..
[10:43] <rohan> can someone please give a link to the bug report i pasted above ? i can't find it, since i've rebooted
[10:44] <gnomefreak> rohan: bug 125717
[10:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125717 in feisty-backports "No initscript in hal 0.5.9" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125717
[10:44] <rohan> thanks, gnomefreak
[10:45] <gnomefreak> yw
[10:48] <rohan> i think the best thing would be to mark the bug as "invalid" right ?
[10:48] <gnomefreak> rohan: yes
[10:48] <rohan> ok
[10:49] <gnomefreak> rohan: file bug on other issue
[10:49] <rohan> yes, i am trying that out on the live cd atm
[10:49] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: hmm?
[10:50] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: i see most kde bugs,yes
[10:50] <gnomefreak> yep you do :) i see your nick on most of them too
[10:51] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: yeah, true.  i should give them some more attention, sometime
[10:54] <rohan> while marking it invalid, do i assign it to myself ?
[10:54] <PietSheep> moin @all - kennt sich jemand mit alpine-mail-client aus ? Bei pine konnte ich eine .pine.pwd datei anlegen - die speicherte die Passwrter (bei Fedora). Gibt es das auch bei alpine unter ubuntu ?
[10:55] <varka> PietSheep: this is an english speaking channel ;)
[10:57] <rohan> ok, quitting the live cd .. thanks gnomefreak, Hobbsee, for helping me out :)
[10:57] <Hobbsee> :)
[10:57] <PietSheep> hi @all - with fedora core and pine i was able to use a file called .pine.pwd to save the passwords. i tried the same with alpine and feisty but it doesnt work - any hint is welcome ;-)
[10:58] <gnomefreak> rohan: yw
[10:59] <Hobbsee> PietSheep: this is not a feisty support channel, please see the /topic
[11:01] <gnomefreak> i guess i get crash course in advanced bash this weekend if i get time :(
[11:01] <rohan> i forgot to ask .. in these circumstances Hobbsee, gnomefreak , what do i do ? downgrade hal, or continue using the existing packages?
[11:02] <gnomefreak> not sure. if hal is borked downgrade it if it isnt than use that version
[11:04] <rohan> oh .. i don't think it's b0rken then :)
[11:04] <rohan> but there sure is some problem in hwdb .. each and every report that i submit is blank - http://hwdb.ubuntu.com/?xml=5e48e81fb5917392ca1008a21a4f0798 .. i've tried it 3 times.
[11:08] <PietSheep> alpine is alpha in feisty - so varka sent me here ...
[11:09] <Hobbsee> PietSheep: but this is gutsy, nto feisty...
[11:09] <rohan> PietSheep: if you are using fiesty, the correct channel is #ubuntu
[11:10] <PietSheep> got it - thx
[11:24] <rohan> anyone has an idea how to concurrently run debian and ubuntu (or any other debian based distro) ? both want control of /boot and want to automatically update menu.lst as new kernels are added, but they both can't do it.. atleast one of the OS needs to be added outside the dpkg auto config area .. is it possible to have both of them update menu.lst automatically ?
[01:36] <MacSlow> Greetings everybody!
[01:36] <spikeb> howdy
[01:41] <Pici> Aloha!
[03:33] <Tretle> I read on the forums that the libcurl problem was resolved with today's updates?
[03:33] <chand|> Tretle: yes it seems resolved
[03:34] <Tretle> hmmm that topic needs changing
[03:34] <Tretle> I take it this irc channel is going to become verry quiet now :D
[03:38] <PriceChild> Tretle, :)
[03:38] <Tretle> :D
[03:39] <Tretle> such relief :D lol
[03:39] <Tretle> and gimmie's fixed too :)
[03:39] <mrsno__> woo nice
[03:39] <Tretle> hehehe
[03:40] <mrsno__> so libcurl3-gnutls is used instead of 4 now
[04:19] <astinus> Is there a solution to the fact nvidia-glx fails to work on 8800-series cards, with "could not open the device file /dev/nvidia0"
[04:20] <crdlb> astinus, you need to use nvidia-glx-new
[04:21] <astinus> crdlb: Okay, lemme give that a shot :) Thanks, uno momento!
[04:45] <astinus> crdlb: Failed to work, so I guess I'll just need to install the drivers from nvidia.com - meh :(
[04:45] <crdlb> well feisty's nvidia-glx-new had a bug that prevented it from working with the 8800
[04:45] <astinus> crdlb: Yeah, the libwfb error?
[04:45] <crdlb> yeah
[04:46] <astinus> same issue with Gutsy
[04:46] <crdlb> well it's easy to "fix"
[04:46] <crdlb> download the installer, run sh NVIDIA... -x
[04:46] <crdlb> and cp the file
[04:47] <astinus> mmm, shall give that a go
[04:47] <Tretle> the assign a function to a corner of the screen doesnt seem towork
[04:47] <Tretle> whoops wrong tab
[04:48] <crdlb> astinus, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20/+bug/98641/comments/18
[04:48] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 98641 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.20 "[nvidia-glx-new]  NVidia driver missing libwfb" [High,Confirmed] 
[04:49] <astinus> I saw that one. Is the fix in Feisty?
[05:11] <Cy3berPeace> Hi all - using Gutsy with a Gateway w/SigmaTel STAC9200 but can't get the sound going... Tried everything in the debuggingsoundproblems part @ help.ubuntu with no luck... Can anyone offer other suggestions specific to this card (didn't work with Feisty either)
[05:26] <shirish> guys does anybody the bug no. for openoffice no index-theme bug?
[05:30] <calc> 125400
[05:31] <shirish> calc: 125400 is fix released, I just updated openoffice.org & its updated/upgraded, this is different
[05:31] <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29798/
[05:32] <shirish> I did see a bug filed for this yesterday when somebody got the issue but dunno where its written.
[05:32] <calc> er there is no failure there
[05:32] <calc> if its what i think it is doing its not a bug
[05:33] <calc> debhelper just decided to do a foo || true and didn't pipe it to dev null
[05:34] <calc> long term the solution is to remove the icons from the directory that causes debhelper to display that message
[05:34] <calc> but its not harmful as it is currently
[05:35] <shirish> calc: oh ok, but I do know I saw that as a bug somewhere yesterday.
[05:35] <calc> hmm ok
[05:35] <shirish> no worries, I'll just add my bit to bug 125400 & hopefully somebody can guide me to the right place.
[05:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125400 in openoffice.org "[MASTER]  package openoffice.org-common 2.2.1-5ubuntu2 failed to install/upgrade: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1" [High,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125400
[05:37] <calc> shirish: it probably got merged into 125400
[05:37] <shirish> yup it did get merged in 125400
[05:38] <calc> what is the bug number?
[05:39] <shirish> calc: I'm just seeing 125400, there itself in the bug report people have written the issue about lo color thing
[05:40] <calc> oh ok
[05:41] <calc> the stuff in 125400 is before it was fixed
[05:41] <calc> the issue was caused by locolor not having an index.theme file
[05:41] <calc> and dh_icons requiring its existence
[05:41] <calc> so the fix is for dh_icons to not care if it exists any more, but it might still complain about it, not really sure
[05:41] <calc> which was implemented and then the new ooo was uploaded
[05:42] <shirish> calc: strange for I got it after installing the fixed one, not before
[05:42] <calc> before the fixed one it should have died after saying that
[05:42] <calc> eg:
[05:42] <calc> Setting up openoffice.org-common (2.2.1-5ubuntu2) ...
[05:42] <calc> Updating OpenOffice.org's dictionary list... done.
[05:42] <calc> No theme index file in '/usr/share/icons/locolor'.
[05:42] <calc> If you really want to create an icon cache here, use --ignore-theme-index.
[05:42] <calc> dpkg: error processing openoffice.org-common (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 1
[05:43] <calc> it might still say that now, but it won't fail
[05:43] <shirish> nah... It did this while installing now
[05:43] <calc> it failed to install?
[05:43] <calc> the pastebin you posted didn't fail
[05:43] <shirish> sorry installing=updating
[05:43] <shirish> nope the upgrade didn't fail, I just got the icon color message
[05:44] <calc> ok
[05:44] <calc> yea it should have said the same thing for 5ubuntu2 but failed after it said it
[05:44] <calc> now debhelper has been fixed to not fail but it still complains about it
[05:44] <calc> so its harmless
[05:44] <shirish> oh ok
[05:45] <shirish> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29800/
[05:45] <calc> which was what i was saying about longterm the solution is to just delete all those icons (preferrably upstream)
[05:45] <calc> ok
[05:46] <calc> locolor was an icon theme for KDE 1
[05:46] <shirish> oh oh, ok & this gets really weirder as I have no KDE, just GNOME & XFCE
[05:47] <calc> well the message only appears if you have ubuntu installed (not kubuntu)
[05:47] <calc> the icons are shipped no matter which desktop you run
[05:48] <calc> it just happens that the locolor ones are for KDE 1 (why they exist at all I don't know)
[06:32] <Tretle> couls someone else confirm athat screenlets doesnt work with gutsy
[06:32] <Tretle> jeeze
[06:33] <Tretle> could someone else confirm that screenlets doesnt work with gutsy, please :D :P
[06:56] <gnomefreak> Tretle: try asking in #ubuntu-effects since they dont work without compiz iirc
[07:01] <lamalex> gnomefreak: that is incorrect
[07:01] <lamalex> screenlets work without composite
[07:01] <lamalex> they're not as nice, but they work
[07:02] <gnomefreak> the package name is?
[07:02] <gnomefreak> and its not screenlets if it is its not in the official repos
[07:04] <lamalex> i dont think its in the ubuntu repo
[07:04] <lamalex> unless it was added to gutsy
[07:04] <lamalex> i haven't checked
[07:05] <gnomefreak> than im going to assume its in compiz/beryl repo
[07:06] <lamalex> i think its there
[07:06] <lamalex> they have their own repo
[07:06] <lamalex> as well
[07:06] <gnomefreak> than it belongs in -effects :) thats why the iirc was added to end of my statment
[07:06] <gnomefreak> lamalex: its lupines
[07:10] <lamalex> I was just syaing it doesn't rely on compiz
[07:10] <lamalex> not that support belonged here
[07:10] <lamalex> or beryl or etc..
[07:20] <Tretle> thanks anyway
[07:20] <Tretle> must restart
[07:21] <gnomefreak> me too
[08:23] <tretle_> does anyone know how to get the pidgin plugin for evolution and nautilus working?
[08:25] <pwnguin> !tablet
[08:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about tablet - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:06] <Nergar> hello
[09:06] <Nergar> i just downloaded tribe 2, i want to help out reporting bugs
[09:07] <Nergar> but where, in launchpad?
[09:07] <pwnguin> bugs.launchapd.net/ubuntu
[09:07] <Nergar> kk, thnx
[09:15] <tretle_> anyone know about adding mp3 player support in rhythmbox?
[09:38] <pwnguin> is there any sort of gobuntu documentation, or community?
[09:39] <pwnguin> i cant seem to find any lists, irc channels, or wiki entries
[09:39] <pwnguin> eah, ubnutu-libre
[09:41] <stdin> seems only to be a cd-image site
[09:42] <pwnguin> seems strange to have it so quiet
[09:44] <stdin> pwnguin: there is a devel list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Gobuntu-devel
[09:46] <pwnguin> hmm
[09:46] <pwnguin> i didnt find it when i looked yesterday ;)
[09:46] <stdin> pwnguin: it was on marks blog page
[10:04] <Rod>  i read the topic. ... but still :p You people have the knowledge to help me here
 wireless network works under 7.07, under gutsy it doesnt. I copied over the old interfaces file but that isnt enough. Module is the same. What else do i have to copy over to have the exact same network settings ?
[10:06] <XVampireX> hi
[10:06] <XVampireX> Can anyone help me?
[10:06] <XVampireX> xorg doesn't want to start...
[10:07] <XVampireX> and when I do startx it says that it cannot find the nvidia.ko module
[10:16] <Rod> XVampireX, try modprobe nvidia
[11:50] <cps1966> anyone have luck with skype and intel ihc5
[11:59] <Pumpernickel> cps1966: Yes.
[12:01] <cps1966> i cant get mike to work
[12:01] <Pumpernickel> Are you using more than 2channel output?
[12:02] <cps1966> no
[12:02] <cps1966> 6>2
[12:03] <Pumpernickel> It can't handle 6 channel out and mic in at the same time.
[12:03] <nergar> how do i install firefox 3?
[12:03] <cps1966> so i tried it with no downmix
[12:05] <cps1966> Pumpernickel:  it did work with older kernel
[12:06] <Pumpernickel> Then, if your configuration hasn't changed, you should file a bug.
[12:07] <cps1966> does it have anything to do with my bt878
[12:08] <cps1966> well this is new install
[12:08] <Pricey> nergar, sudo apt-get install firefox-granparadiso
[12:10] <Pumpernickel> It may.  If that's changed since it was working, you should test that.
[12:11] <cps1966> i need a test recorder
[12:12] <nergar> thnx
[12:12] <Pumpernickel> There should be one installed already.
[12:14] <raf256> hello
[12:15] <raf256> klaptop is crappy application
[12:15] <raf256> therefore I wanted to write a better one
[12:16] <raf256> will someone help me to pack it as a .deb or add to repo once its ready?  in c++, text appl (or just deamon)
[12:17] <nysosym> hi there
[12:17] <nysosym> does gutsy use the madwifi driver from svn out of the box actually?
[12:20] <stdin> nysosym: not from svn, but the latest release
[12:20] <nysosym> hmm, also no out of the box support for macbook c2d
[12:24] <cps1966> Pumpernickel:  nope null output from krecord abd arecord
[12:29] <raf256> cps1966: yeah, alsa totally sucks
[12:30] <raf256> everyone reports that sound do not work out of the box
[12:31] <raf256> I gues like 10-20% of people doesnt have sound working fully after installation
[12:31] <cps1966> sound works but cant use mic