[02:34] <jsgotangco> good morning
[03:11] <mneptok> commit the damned Evo patch, ya bastards!
[03:11] <mneptok> raar. sorry.
[03:18] <RAOF> bug #123664 is annoying me :).  I pushed it upstream, and there's a (fairly small) patch to fix it which will be in 2.19.6.  Should I prepare a debdiff against our current g-p-m, or just wait for 2.19.6 to be released & (help) package that?
[03:18] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123664 in gnome-power-manager "Should not count time suspended in battery profile" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123664
[03:25] <minghua> I say don't bother patching.  gnome-power-manager should be included in the final GNOME 2.20 release, shouldn't it?
[03:26] <RAOF> I believe so
[03:26] <Fujitsu> 2.19.6 should come in with the rest of GNOME 2.19.6.
[03:27] <Fujitsu> That shouldn't be far off.
[03:28] <RAOF> Fair enough.  I'll see if I can help package the new uv then.
[03:28] <minghua> Well, 2.19.5 was released yesterday, so maybe a while.
[03:30] <zul> hey mneptok
[03:32] <minghua> RAOF: Thank you for reporting, then. :-)
[03:32] <RAOF> That I'll lay claim to :)
[04:15] <mneptok> zul: heya
[04:15] <mneptok> There is no Dana. Only Zul.
[04:20] <Pici> mneptok: http://www.mozilla.org/keymaster/gatekeeper/there.is.only.xul
[06:20] <sbalneav> Mithrandir: Hey, did you ever get a sql representation of ical going?
[07:19] <elpargo_> hi anyone here knows how can I call the "open with" functionality in the content menu of nautilus?
[07:21] <Burgundavia> elpargo_: what do you want to do?
[07:22] <elpargo_> Burgundavia, I want to call the correct program to handle a file from code.
[07:23] <Burgundavia> you want to open a file with an external app?
[07:23] <elpargo_> Burgundavia, no no from my code I want to execute the same function.
[07:24] <Burgundavia> try in #gnome-hackers on gimp.net
[07:24] <elpargo_> Burgundavia, yes but I'll like to delegate that to the nautilus system, i find it very good, and there is no need to redo the wheel
[07:25] <Burgundavia> no, I am saying talk with the GNOME developers on that channel
[07:25] <Burgundavia> they will tell you how and that is a better channel for that
[07:25] <elpargo_> ok thanks
[07:26] <Burgundavia> no worries
[09:21] <superm1> Hobbsee, would you be able to look over another lirc upload (promise this one is smaller than the request the other night)?
[10:03] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ping
[10:05] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: i just merged afbinit, can you check the final debdiff at http://paste.dunnewind.net/256 and say me if you're agree with it
[10:16] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: looking
[10:18] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: looks ok, can you please make sure to send our diff to the debian maintainer? at least the include stuff... he can?t really merge the section
[10:18] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ok
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> so i request a merge on lp and mail the debdiff to the debian maint ?
[10:19] <fabbione> hm? just send a mail to the maintainer with the diff for the includes
[10:19] <fabbione> and upload the package to ubuntu
[10:19] <fabbione> i don?t see the need to open an lp request
[10:19] <Sp4rKy> hu ?
[10:20] <Sp4rKy> i don't understand well ^^
[10:20] <Sp4rKy> it should be a merge process, no ?
[10:20] <fabbione> yes but a merge process does not require an LP request
[10:20] <fabbione> just upload it to the archive
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> i can't upload myself :)
[10:21] <fabbione> ok, then ask for a sponsorship... or give me a few minutes and I will do it
[10:21] <gnomefreak> do all backports have to be pushed by a core-dev?
[10:21] <fabbione> just need to power up my sparc to test it
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ok :)
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> i wait your test
[10:21] <Sp4rKy> and then i'll mail the debian maint
[10:21] <Fujitsu> gnomefreak: core-dev can upload directly to backports, but most are requested as sync are.
[10:21] <Fujitsu> *syncs
[10:21] <Fujitsu> (ie. archive admins do them)
[10:22] <gnomefreak> someone backported hal and i thought that was one of the no no packages to backport
[10:22] <gnomefreak> its borked anyway in feisty backports
[10:22] <Fujitsu> Hi pitti.
[10:22] <pitti> Hi Fujitsu
[10:23] <gnomefreak> morning pitti
[10:23] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: can you put the debdiff somewhere wget?able?
[10:23] <Hobbsee> morning pitti
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: of course
[10:24] <gnomefreak> ill keep looking to see who did it
[10:24] <pitti> hey Hobbsee, hi StevenK
[10:24] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: http://people.dunnewind.net/maxence/afbinit_debdiff
[10:24] <StevenK> Yay!
[10:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: blame pitti
[10:25] <StevenK> pitti: NBS everything out of the archive that's zero size, plus you can probably kill libcegui-mk2-0c2a.
[10:25] <gnomefreak> Hobbsee: i would but he was removed from maintainer feild
[10:25] <gnomefreak> field
[10:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak: he's uploaded it
[10:25] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: thanks
[10:25] <Hobbsee> gnomefreak:
[10:25] <Hobbsee> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/hal/0.5.9-1ubuntu2~feisty1
[10:26] <gnomefreak> pitti: isnt hal one of those packages that shouldnt be backported?
[10:26] <StevenK> pitti: And can you puhlease kick glew, parrot and libgeda out of NEW?
[10:26] <pitti> StevenK: seb128 is looking at NEW
[10:26] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: np
[10:26] <pitti> gnomefreak: why?
[10:27] <StevenK> pitti: Fair enough.
[10:27] <pitti> gnomefreak: I did backport a gutsy hal to feisty, because it fixes stuff for quite a lot of people
[10:27] <StevenK> pitti: Okay, will you regenerate the list after you kill everything zero-sized?
[10:27] <pitti> StevenK: yep
[10:27] <StevenK> pitti: Cool, thanks.
[10:27] <pitti> StevenK: in an hour, after next publisher run
[10:27] <StevenK> Sounds fine.
[10:28] <gnomefreak> pitti: i thought due to depends it shouldnt have been. btw its broken in feisty
[10:28] <gnomefreak> pitti: bug 125717
[10:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125717 in feisty-backports "No initscript in hal 0.5.9" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125717
[10:28] <pitti> gnomefreak: --verbose, please
[10:28] <pitti> gnomefreak: that's weird
[10:28] <pitti> gnomefreak: oh, it is not supposed to have one
[10:28] <gnomefreak> pitti: im not running it in feisty i am hearing about this
[10:29] <pitti> gnomefreak: /etc/dbus/event.d/20hal
[10:29] <pitti> hal *never* had an init script until recent gutsy
[10:32] <simira> speaking of which, where can I get a gutsy-cd in this office?
[10:32] <Hobbsee> simira!
[10:33] <gnomefreak> pitti: hes gonna comment on bug i hope
[10:35] <simira> Hobbsee :)
[10:35] <Hobbsee> simira: your'e in london now, hey?  nice!
[10:35] <Riddell> simira: how's the view?
[10:36] <elmo> simira: download it? the net connection doesn't suck, especially not to *.u.c
[10:36] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: uploaded
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> fabbione: ok thx
[10:36] <Sp4rKy> so i mail the dd
[10:36] <fabbione> Sp4rKy: np..
[10:36] <Riddell> Mithrandir: could you give back kde4graphics and kde4network?
[10:37] <Mithrandir> Riddell: backgegibt
[10:37] <Riddell> Mithrandir: pardon?
[10:38] <Mithrandir> Riddell: given-back
[10:38] <Riddell> thanks
[10:38] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: you were right last night, your fix works and I am a muppet.
[10:39] <simira> elmo: true. Then I just need to find someone nice person to give/lend me a cd :)
[10:54] <Hobbsee> guten morgen, mvo
[10:56] <mvo> hey Hobbsee
[11:00] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: http://err.no/tmp/mobile/mobile-dev ; it looks fairly sane to me, what do you think?
[11:09] <StevenK> pitti: Poke, regenerate NBS. :-)
[11:12] <StevenK> seb128_: Can you puhlease kick glew, parrot and libgeda out of NEW, so the older libraries can be NBS'd when they have no rdepends?
[11:12] <pitti> StevenK: as I said, I need to wait for the publisher to finish
[11:12] <StevenK> Oh duh, it isn't instant.
[11:12] <StevenK> Sorry
[11:26] <seb128_> StevenK: looking
[11:26] <StevenK> seb128_: Thanks.
[11:29] <seb128_> StevenK: parrot didn't build on ia64
[11:33] <StevenK> Wierd. No idea why, or how to fix it.
[11:34] <StevenK> It fails the same way on Debian, so I'm comforted by that.
[11:36] <seb128_> well we try to NEW on all the arches in the same time
[11:37] <StevenK> I can file a nastygram in Debian, but I doubt I know enough about Parrot internals to attempt to fix it.
[11:37] <StevenK> Or have access to an ia64
[11:37] <Mithrandir> seb128_: as long as it FTBFS, it should be fine.
[11:38] <seb128_> Mithrandir: ok
[11:38] <StevenK> Mithrandir: It runs itself during the build and blows up. So it's impressive.
[11:39] <infinity> mvo: Your custom apt works perfectly for me.  You're a rock star.
[11:40] <StevenK> seb128_: And if you process bug 125586, we can kill rt3.6-apache off the NBS list.
[11:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125586 in request-tracker3.6 "[Sync request]  Sync request-tracker3.6 (3.6.4-1) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/125586
[11:41] <infinity> mvo: Although, it took me about 5 minutes of confusion and a diff of the source to realise you'd renamed the variable. :P
[11:41] <pygi> fabbione, around by any chance?
[11:42] <cjwatson_> Mithrandir: germinate 0.31 synced for the next publisher run
[11:43] <fabbione> pygi: yes?
[11:43] <pygi> fabbione, brasero built properly on sparc & ppc now ;)
[11:43] <fabbione> pygi: ok cool
[11:46] <seb128_> StevenK: synced
[11:47] <fabbione> whops
[11:47] <StevenK> seb128: Thanks!
[11:48] <seb128> StevenK: thank you for doing most of the work ;)
[11:49] <pitti> 'k, time to crank NBS
[11:49] <StevenK> pitti: Hurrah!
[11:49] <StevenK> pitti: Ping me when it's finished smashing drescher?
[11:50] <pitti> sure
[11:51] <mvo> infinity: uhhh, sorry for that, I thought I had told you about it
[11:52] <Hobbsee> mvo: got any current plans for fixing the metapackages from any component cant install recommends bug?
[11:52] <infinity> mvo: No one tells me anything.
[11:52] <seb128> infinity: or maybe you just don't listen what people say? ;)
[11:53] <StevenK> Could be both.
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mvo: what would the fix be?  just hardcode the universe/metapackages, and multiverse/metapackages, in there too, like you have with multiverse?
[11:53] <mvo> Hobbsee: yes, but I have no timeline yet, please keep naging me about it so that I get to it eventually
[11:53] <mvo> Hobbsee: I think the fix would be either to suppoer regexp there or to allow a list of sections
[11:53] <infinity> seb128: I suspect it's a bit of both. :)
[11:53] <Hobbsee> mvo: right.  more things are missing this, now, not just *-r-e
[11:54] <Hobbsee> mvo: how often do you wish to be nagged?  :P
[11:54] <simira> infinity: no one ever tells you anything so you don't bother to listen? :p
[11:55] <infinity> simira: Did you say something?
[11:55] <mvo> Hobbsee: once a day is enough ;)
[11:55] <Hobbsee> mvo: :D
[11:55] <simira> infinity: nothing important
[12:07] <pitti> StevenK: NBS updated
[12:14] <simira> seb128: how do I reduce the font size in the gutsy gnome menus? (I managed to reduce all other in Appearance-settings)
[12:14] <simira> &j ubuntu-gnome
[12:14] <simira> uh
[12:16] <Fujitsu> simira: You probably want to change the DPI setting in Appearance->Fonts->Details
[12:16] <seb128> Fujitsu: it's not going to be menu specific
[12:16] <simira> Fujitsu: we (Scott) tried.... no effect
[12:16] <seb128> simira: it should follow the applications font
[12:16] <simira> who changed and blew up the fonts anyway...
[12:17] <simira> seb128: it definitely doesn't
[12:18] <seb128> simira: no idea then, looks like a bug
[12:18] <seb128> works fine on my laptop
[12:20] <simira> seb128: a gnome- og x.org-bug?
[12:21] <seb128> simira: would need to be debugged to say, but it's only the gnome-panel not changing I would say a GNOMEish bug
[12:21] <seb128> s/it's/if it's
[12:21] <simira> seb128: yes, seems to me like it is
[12:21] <seb128> does restarting it makes a difference?
[12:22] <Mithrandir> cjwatson: thanks; committed
[12:25] <simira> seb128: logout/login seemed to fix it. Should I still report a bug for it, or does it have to be that way?
[12:27] <seb128> simira: you can open a bug but since it doesn't happen on my box it's likely to stay open until somebody getting the bug look at it
[12:29] <simira> seb128: ok
[12:53] <simira> mjg59: you have absolutely nothing to do today, have you?
[12:55] <Arcer> hi all
[12:55] <Arcer> excuse me for my english
[12:56] <Arcer> someone known a gui kde-like for developing in C
[12:56] <Arcer> ?
[12:56] <Arcer> like devc in Windoes
[12:56] <pitti> Arcer: kdevelop is fairly good
[12:56] <Arcer> oh thank :D
[12:57] <Arcer> i'll install see later :D
[12:57] <calc> maybe eclipse also
[01:00] <Arcer> I use eclipse for java programming in Windows
[01:05] <asac> crimsun: ping
[01:05] <asac> crimsun: unping
[01:09] <Riddell> seb128: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/125748
[01:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125748 in compiz "compiz-{kde,gnome} does not depend on compiz-plugins" [Undecided,New] 
[01:13] <StevenK> Riddell: Why are kde4libs-data, kdepimlibs4 and kdepimlibs4-dev all marked as NBS? What replaces them?
[01:13] <Riddell> StevenK: where is that listed?
[01:13] <Riddell> StevenK: kde4libs-data -> kdelibs5-data
[01:13] <StevenK> http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/
[01:14] <Riddell> kdepimlibs4 -> kdepimlibs5
[01:14] <Riddell> kdepimlibs4-dev -> kdepimlibs5-dev
[01:14] <Riddell> I may well have forgotten to put in Replaces: on various of those
[01:14] <persia> pitti: Thank you ever so much for the binary removals.
[01:15] <simira> Hobbsee: are you asleep yet?
[01:15] <StevenK> simira: She is probably dinner'ing
[01:15] <simira> oh
[01:16] <calc> simira: kylem does a pretty good hiding act
[01:16] <pitti> persia: no problem :)
[01:16] <simira> calc: he might be busy then....
[01:22] <Fujitsu> StevenK: Why?
[01:22] <Fujitsu> Oh, NBS?
[01:26] <StevenK> No, it's fine. It's 5 packages, and I
[01:26] <StevenK> 'm just about half-way through it.
[01:26] <StevenK> And it all scripted/scriptable.
[01:26] <Fujitsu> Thanks.
[01:30] <StevenK> pitti: I'm unclear why nic-firmware, scsi-firmware and ubuntu-modules are listed in NBS. I'm probably missing something.
[01:33] <pitti> StevenK: I'll have a look later
[01:40] <StevenK> Hrm. Been a while since I heard this.
[01:40] <StevenK> Frame# 38870 [118037] , Time: 00:13.66 [68:05.14] 
[01:45] <StevenK> Typical. Out of the five builds, one failed, and it's one with Ubuntu changes.
[01:46] <Fujitsu> Which?
[01:46] <Fujitsu> geda-gschem?
[01:46] <StevenK> Yup
[01:46] <Fujitsu> StevenK: The rest of geda is in DEPWAIT at the moment.
[01:46] <Fujitsu> And I haven't merged that yet.
[01:46] <StevenK> So I just uploaded four rebuilds for nothing?
[01:47] <Fujitsu> Um, possibly.
[01:48] <StevenK> geda-gattrib built.
[01:48] <StevenK> As did geda-utils.
[01:49] <StevenK> Yup.
[01:50] <StevenK> pitti, Mithrandir: Can you reject geda-* please?
[01:50] <Fujitsu> Yay, unaccepting.
[01:51] <StevenK> If they do or don't, it isn't too important, just pointless and a waste of buildd time.
[01:52] <Fujitsu> Right.
[01:53] <Fujitsu> Hah.
[01:53] <StevenK> :-P
[01:56] <Keybuk> why can I find no OpenOffice documentation on creating presentation templates?
[02:01] <Hobbsee> simira: nope, was at dinner.
[02:05] <jordi> fabbione: ping ping
[02:07] <Hobbsee> Keybuk: does anyone actually create presentation templates in ooo anyway?
[02:11] <ijuz_> i'm always using the "empty presentation" template it's great stuff ;)
[02:16] <ijuz_> Keybuk: looks like it's nothing special such a template http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2006/03/templates_makin.html
[02:44] <pitti> doko: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArchiveCleanupStatus
[02:45] <siretart> is there currently some congestion in the (source) NEW queue?
[02:46] <seb128> no
[02:46] <seb128> why?
[02:46] <seb128> it was empty like one week ago
[02:46] <siretart> I wonder if there is a problem with the emacs22 package, it was uploaded on 07/07
[02:47] <seb128> pitti wants to use the debian version
[02:47] <ScottK> pitti: I got a reject notification for my evolution-python sync, but no reason.  Do you have time to discuss or should I e-mail you?
[02:47] <seb128> we just discussed it briefly though
[02:47] <siretart> pitti: why? mwolson is doing a great job on the package!
[02:48] <seb128> ScottK: I did already synced it yesterday
[02:48] <pitti> siretart: I don't see why we should have two parallel packagers?
[02:48] <ScottK> Ah.  That'll do it.  Thanks seb128.
[02:48] <pitti> siretart: we should just sync Debian's and put the doc in main
[02:48] <siretart> pitti: because debian strips off documentation and such. there is no need for this in ubuntu
[02:48] <siretart> pitti: emacs without the manual is close to worthless
[02:48] <siretart> seriously
[02:48] <seb128> siretart: there is a package with documentation though
[02:48] <seb128> siretart: we can just make emacs22 depends on the other package
[02:49] <siretart> seb128: in non-free. we don't want documentation to be seperate in ubuntu
[02:49] <pitti> siretart: Depends: -doc :)
[02:49] <pitti> siretart: Recommends:, though
[02:50] <siretart> pitti: so you want to tell mwholson that all his work on https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-elisp/emacs/ubuntu was for nothing?
[02:50] <seb128> siretart: why should be work to divert from Debian when not required?
[02:50] <seb128> siretart: we tend to sync when we can
[02:51] <siretart> seb128: have you looked at the branch history? please do
[02:52] <siretart> anyways, it would be really nice if some archive admins could reposond to Michaels verbose emails to his emacs22 plans in ubuntu he posted to the mailing list
[02:52] <siretart> we shouldn't let him in the dark with these decisions
[02:53] <siretart> s/let/leave/
[02:53] <pitti> (later, presentation here)
[02:57] <seb128> siretart: will do, quite busy at distro sprint this week though
[02:57] <seb128> siretart: and emacs22 is not easy to review, would be easier for everybody to base on Debian
[02:59] <siretart> and therefore we reject very good and enthusiastic contributions to ubuntu?  :/
[03:00] <seb128> we said we reject anything?
[03:00] <siretart> well, in some ways you said so before
[03:00] <seb128> you want to stop syncing only to not drop work done aside from Debian?
[03:01] <seb128> every time we sync we drop some Ubuntu contribution
[03:01] <seb128> I agree we should not discourage contributions so might want to accept the emacs22 from NEW and sync from Debian later
[03:02] <siretart> that's what I'm basically suggesting
[03:02] <siretart> we of course want to regularily merge with debian
[03:02] <seb128> so it's going to takes sometime because emacs22 is not trivial to review
[03:03] <siretart> I know
[03:07] <pitti> siretart: hm, I didn't see anything on ubuntu-devel@; which ML was it on?
[03:08] <seb128> ScottK: evolution-python is not distributable btw, not sure if we will accept it
[03:08] <seb128> ScottK: you might want to open a bug on Debian saying they should ship the GPL text in the tarball
[03:08] <siretart> pitti: ubuntu-motu for sure, not that sure for ubuntu-devel
[03:08] <ScottK> Ah.  I will do so.
[03:08] <ScottK> Thanks seb128.
[03:08] <seb128> np
[03:11] <ScottK> Interesting.  debian/copyright says: "License (note that upstream accidentally ships the LPGL, but the files say GPL)"
[03:11] <seb128> right
[03:11] <seb128> so it's GPL
[03:12] <seb128> and the license text should be in the tarball
[03:12] <ScottK> Yes.
[03:12] <ScottK> ...Debian's NEW reviews.
[03:13] <azeem> ScottK: Debian's NEW review actually looks at the copyright boilerplate in the various source files rather than COPYING, I think
[03:13] <asac_the_2nd> pitti: high latency ... yes the mirrors should after all be updated now or really soon
[03:14] <asac_the_2nd> pitti: i was not sure if the main bug means: gutsy task
[03:15] <seb128> azeem: still the tarball should ship a copy of the license
[03:15] <azeem> sure
[03:15] <seb128> it doesn' in this case
[03:15] <pitti> asac_the_2nd: 'development release'; I closed it now, thanks
[03:15] <asac_the_2nd> ok cool
[03:16] <seb128> brb
[03:31] <Riddell> doko, pitti: kdebindings uploaded without gtk1.2
[03:31] <doko> nice!
[03:33] <pitti> calc: do you prepare an oo.o-l10n upload as well? that one still b-deps on the old portaudio (18), but that's in universe now in favour of 19
[03:34] <calc> pitti: hmm yea i probably should do that
[03:44] <pitti> zul: libvirt is uninstallable because it depends on xen 3.0; can you please have a look at this?
[03:45] <pitti> fabbione: ^ actually, that's your baby, isn't it?
[03:45] <fabbione> pitti: it?s one of my B-D but i didn?t package it
[03:45] <zul> pitti: sure
[03:46] <fabbione> pitti: would be nice if somebody could update it... with Xen knowledge even better
[03:46] <fabbione> zul: thanks
[03:46] <pitti> fabbione: ok; seems that zul is at it
[03:46] <pitti> zul: cheers!
[03:46] <fabbione> pitti: yeps.. thatnks
[03:46] <zul> no probs
[03:46] <pitti> that also explains cman uninstallability and such
[03:47] <fabbione> pitti: yes.. it?s all connected..
[03:48] <persia> pitti: Regarding REVU packages rejected during NEW processing: Do you have any objections to using REVU for communication between sponsorees and sponsors?
[03:49] <Hobbsee> persia: if revu actually had the same login as lp...
[03:49] <pitti> persia: no, I don't, and I'm not familiar with the revu procedures
[03:49] <Hobbsee> persia: and if it actually kept cookies...
[03:49] <persia> pitti: OK.  Thanks.  There was just some confusion.
[03:49] <pitti> persia: it just seems to me that a package which just had a license problem which got fixed needs to be REVUed again
[03:49] <pitti> persia: erm, needs *not*
[03:49] <persia> Hobbsee: Yeah - those would be neat, but it's still a handy dget'able place.
[03:49] <Hobbsee> true
[03:50] <pitti> persia: if that's common practice, it should be done, of course :)
[03:50] <persia> pitti: I totally agree.  In that case, I only think REVU is a handy place to upload, and that a single advocate (probably the original sponsor, but perhaps anyone else) should be able to upload after checking.
[03:50] <pitti> ok
[03:50] <persia> pitti: Thanks for the feedback.
[04:13] <pitti> F**K
[04:13] <pitti> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/2.2.1-5ubuntu3/+build/357598
[04:13] <pitti> I hate hate hate OO.o
[04:13] <StevenK> Hrm. Why did glew get demoted 8 minutes ago?
[04:14] <pitti> StevenK: it does not have any reverse dependencies and the library was already in universe
[04:14] <Hobbsee> pitti: it probably hates you too
[04:14] <StevenK> pitti: It has reverse Build-depends in main: rss-glx
[04:14] <pitti> infinity: is adare maybe the wrong buildd to build OO.o? It failed three times in a row now with a timeout error
[04:15] <pitti> StevenK: hmm, then checkrdepends is stupid
[04:15] <infinity> pitti: I may have the technology to fix that.
[04:16] <Mithrandir> infinity: and appropriately-sized hammer?
[04:16] <pitti> infinity: cover it with your special buildd admin magic hat?
[04:16] <StevenK> pitti: Actually, maybe not. glew builds libglew1.4-dev which provides libglew-dev, which is what rss-glx wants.
[04:16] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: you and hammering poor objects....
[04:17] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: buildds are not poor objects.  They _like_ being hammered.
[04:17] <Hobbsee> heh, right then
[04:17] <StevenK> No, I agree with Mithrandir.
[04:17] <StevenK> They *liked* it when I threw 62 rebuilds at them.
[04:17] <pitti> *munch* *munch*
[04:18] <Hobbsee> StevenK: does this mean you'll never touch curl again?
[04:18] <StevenK> Hopefully.
[04:20] <pitti> StevenK: I cleaned gutsy_probs, anastacia, and NBS a bit harder, next publisher run should have some light
[04:20] <StevenK> pitti: Which hopefully isn't an on-coming train. :-)
[04:20] <StevenK> pitti: So what do we do about rss-glx?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> what's wrong with rss-glx?
[04:21] <StevenK> glew was demoted
[04:21] <pitti> StevenK: oh, I moved glew back to main
[04:21] <StevenK> Ah, right.
[04:21] <ogra> StevenK, huh ?
[04:21] <pitti> StevenK: it was just due to my stupidity, after all
[04:21] <calc> pitti: dumb ooo failed on ppc again :(
[04:21] <pitti> checkrdepends <- does not know about virtual packages
[04:21] <pitti> calc: I just noticed, and asked infinity to treat it with some special love
[04:22] <calc> pitti: for the same reason too, sig 15 after 149mi
[04:22] <pitti> calc: adare is apparently unsuitable
[04:22] <calc> pitti: ok thanks! :)
[04:22] <calc> hmm ooo reminds me of NKOTB song ;)
[04:22] <StevenK> Oh good God
[04:23] <calc> lol
[04:24] <StevenK> For those who can't expand NKOTB, consider yourself lucky.
[04:24] <jsgotangco> haha
[04:24] <infinity> pitti: Should be fixed.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> hi spam
[04:24] <jsgotangco> hey
[04:24] <pitti> infinity: yay you
[04:24] <calc> StevenK: hehe
[04:25] <calc> for anyone who doesn't know what i was talking about, here you go, if you look don't blame me for gouging your eyes out later ;) http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/You-Got-It-The-Right-Stuff-lyrics-New-Kids-On-The-Block/9CD3256205EB3F62482568B90022130B
[04:26] <StevenK> Evidently, killing over IRC isn't giving the right impression.
[04:26] <calc> hehe i leave tomorrow, i'm safe for now ;)
[04:26] <calc> you can get me in Boston at UDS
[04:26] <StevenK> Is that a promise?
[04:26] <calc> Hobbsee: lol yea
[04:27] <StevenK> Hobbsee: Your myspace page is already evil enough without a pre-boy band boy band polluting it.
[04:27] <calc> i'm pretty sure you would have to be a teen in the early 90s to get the full torture part of the joke ;)
[04:27] <StevenK> I was a teen in the early 90s
[04:27] <calc> StevenK: i'm sorry ;)
[04:27] <StevenK> Yes, so I am.
[04:28] <StevenK> am I, even
[04:28] <StevenK> See, I'm so cut up!
[04:28] <calc> as was i, hence the constant reminder of that song anytime i see reference of ooo
[04:28] <StevenK> I had managed to all but forget about NKOTB ...
[04:28] <StevenK> calc: So, eat flaming death! :-P
[04:29] <calc> StevenK: muhahaha >:-)
[04:29] <Hobbsee> StevenK: now, i dont know about that...
[04:29] <thom> StevenK: it could be worse, it could be kris kross
[04:29] <StevenK> AAAAAAAARRRGGH!
[04:29] <infinity> Don't talk smack about Kriss Kross.
[04:29] <Mithrandir> I think we should all stab calc for starting this conversation.
[04:30] <thom> or salt'n'pepa
[04:30] <StevenK> Agreed
[04:30] <StevenK> GAAH
[04:30] <infinity> thom: Zofia and I were dancing to SnP, no less than two weeks ago...
[04:30] <thom> Mithrandir: defenestration from the 27th floor would do the job admirably
[04:30] <infinity> (At a metal club, no less...)
[04:30] <thom> infinity: post-ironic!
[04:30] <seb128> doko: new ant doesn't want to build on amd64
[04:31] <Mithrandir> thom: true.
[04:31] <StevenK> (While Slayer plays)
[04:31] <doko> seb128: seen, but builds in debian unstable :-/
[04:31] <calc> Jump! Jump! ;)
[04:31] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: no, i suggest just locking him in a basement indefinetly, so the only thing he can do is fix ooo
[04:31] <thom> jump up jump up and get down
[04:31] <StevenK> calc: GAH! DIE!
[04:32] <calc> Hobbsee: hmm i'm glad Mithrandir is leaving tonight then ;)
[04:32] <Hobbsee> calc: he can still harm you before then.
[04:32] <seb128> doko, pitti: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8471718/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.ant_1.7.0-1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[04:32] <calc> thom: hmm thats another group, that i forgot who it is
[04:32] <thom> calc: house of pain?
[04:32] <seb128> "GC Warning: Out of Memory!  Returning NIL!"
[04:32] <calc> thom: hmm probably so
[04:32] <thom> hey, bad 90s rap
[04:32] <thom> hammertime!
[04:33] <StevenK>  /part
[04:33] <calc> wasn't that 80s
[04:33] <StevenK> Hammer was early 90s
[04:33] <StevenK> And I don't know how or why I remember that.
[04:34] <calc> hmm right at 1990
[04:34] <calc> thats why i thought it was in 80s
[04:38] <thom> mvo: afternoon
[05:04] <nny> Hello, I am interested in hosting a repository for a specific set of packages. I plan on doing this in combination with re-authoring a live cd  stripped down specifically with a particular purpose in mind. I also think it would be wise to allow others to use the version of ubuntu I have created. I know about naming conventions that are not allowed, but want to make sure I am going about this the correct way. Any advice is a
[05:04] <nny> ppreciated. I can be specific if asked
[05:07] <geser> pitti: Hi, do you have an idea why the crash bug team for universe is subscribed to a crash report for a package in main?
[05:08] <pitti> infinity: I just kicked ubuntu livefs builds; on king it works, but on terranova it failed due to obsolete apt (failure to install tasks); is that just a mirroring race condition? BuildLove.out is not very helpful since it does not show any versions
[05:10] <pitti> infinity: s/Love/Log/ (erk)
[05:10] <zul> pitti: fixed
[05:10] <pitti> zul: thanks
[05:25] <infinity> pitti: I'd assume the chroot auto-updating hasn't/hadn't happened yet.  It's daily.
[05:25] <infinity> pitti: I can do it manually, if you need to test.
[05:26] <pitti> infinity: ah, ok; I just wondered why it was done on amd64 already (current live images should be good)
[05:26] <pitti> infinity: nevermind, it'll settle over the weekend
[05:33] <seb128> hi ScislaC
[05:33] <bryyce> seb128: http://pastebin.ca/617871
[05:33] <ScislaC> hi seb128
[05:34] <ScislaC> note that all updates are generally done via synaptic on my system
[05:34] <ScislaC> but dpkg with forcing or purging don't scare me if you need me to do it
[05:35] <ScislaC> don't = doesn't ;)
[05:36] <seb128> ScislaC: do you get the same error if you run sudo gtk-update-icon-cache /usr/share/icons/hicolor?
[05:37] <ScislaC> seb128: yes... the "bad image index" and "The generated cache was invalid."
[05:38] <seb128> ScislaC: does it work if you move /usr/share/icons/hicolor/icon-theme.cache somewhere else and then retry?
[05:40] <ScislaC> seb128: same error
[05:40] <seb128> weird
[05:41] <ScislaC> heh... that's not to reassuring :)
[05:41] <seb128> you likely have something installed there that confuse the cache
[05:41] <shirish> seb128: I have similar issue but with openoffice stuff. please see http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29798/ & if there is a specific bug no. associated with it , the icon theme stuff it would be nice.
[05:41] <seb128> shirish: this one is an openoffice bug and fixed version has been uploaded yesterday
[05:41] <ScislaC> to=too (damn fingers)
[05:41] <seb128> that's due to the lack of index.theme
[05:41] <shirish> seb128: I just updated to the fixed version now.
[05:41] <seb128> ScislaC: for some reason your cache seems to be corrupted, dunno why
[05:42] <ScislaC> seb128: any way to clean it out and make it happy?
[05:42] <simira> desrt: are you in London?
[05:42] <seb128> ScislaC: maybe you have installed a package which put a broken image to /usr/share/icons/hicolor, not sure how to figure if that's the case and which one though
[05:44] <ScislaC> seb128: the thing is, this all started with official updates... as I haven't installed anything "new" in at least a month (by new I mean other than what ubuntu-desktop adds itself)
[05:45] <seb128> ScislaC: when did it start?
[05:45] <ScislaC> seb128: roughly a week ago
[05:46] <seb128> ScislaC: did you open a bug?
[05:46] <ScislaC> but I figured it was all part of the normal testing/upgrade woes
[05:46] <azeem> W 2
[05:46] <ScislaC> seb128: it started with packages that there were known issues with, so I didn't file anything new
[05:46] <azeem> oops, sorry
[05:46] <seb128> ScislaC: ls /usr/share/icons/hicolor ?
[05:46] <ScislaC> but it spread from there
[05:47] <seb128> ScislaC: well, you icon cache gets corrupted for some reason, there is one bug about somebody else getting similar problems but lot changed in a week and it's better to report issues when they start
[05:48] <ScislaC> seb128: http://pastebin.ca/617889
[05:48] <seb128> ScislaC: dpkg -S /usr/share/icons/hicolor/autopackage-installer.png ?
[05:48] <seb128> ScislaC: does it work better if you remove that file
[05:49] <shirish> -S is for show?
[05:49] <ScislaC> seb128: if it hadn't have started with packages that others said they had issues with, I would have... given that I work with bryyce on Inkscape, I hate going through the tracker and dealing with closing tons of dupe reports.
[05:49] <Hobbsee> shirish: search.  man dpkg
[05:50] <ScislaC> seb128: said not found on that dpkg line
[05:50] <seb128> ScislaC: yeah, looking at open bugs and try to not send a duplicate is a good idea usually ;)
[05:50] <seb128> ScislaC: does removing it makes things better?
[05:51] <ScislaC> seb128: hmmm... that seemed to help it... it generated the cache successfully
[05:51] <shirish> Hobbsee: thanx :)
[05:51] <seb128> ScislaC: ok, so you installed something out of the packaging system
[05:51] <seb128> which installed this icons at the wrong place
[05:51] <seb128> and break the cache generation
[05:52] <seb128> might be some autopackage crack
[05:52] <seb128> not an Ubuntu bug ;)
[05:52] <seb128> though GTK+ should deal better with those
[05:52] <ScislaC> seb128: I haven't touched my autopackage stuff in over 6 months though
[05:52] <ScislaC> so this just surfaced due to other things getting better and seeing the issue?
[05:53] <bryyce> scislac, could that bad icon have come from an inkscape build?
[05:53] <seb128> ScislaC: maybe GTK+ was not so sensitive about it
[05:54] <shirish> Hobbsee: the lo color KDE1 (icon stuff) is also part of 125400 or is there a different bug filed for that? I ask as I have only GNOME & XFCE so that icon stuff should not be there. http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29798/ for reference
[05:54] <Hobbsee> shirish: i believe calc answered that?
[05:54] <ScislaC> bryyce: I would sure hope not... I compile myself and the AP was for something from forever ago
[05:55] <shirish> Hobbsee: he said that upstream should remove it, If somebody has filed a bug in launchpad about it giving some reference to a bug filed upstream, I would like to subscribe to it.
[05:55] <Hobbsee> shirish: then i suggest you search for said bug.
[05:56] <seb128> ScislaC: thanks for the bug report and the help debugging it ;)
[05:56] <shirish> Hobbsee: I'm not trying to be difficult, I dunno what to search for, is there a package named locolor or what?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> shirish: apt-cache search locolor will tell you that, apt-cache madison will show you what the source package is.
[05:57] <shirish> oh ok, I need to get a hang of both this things
[05:57] <Hobbsee> i dont know much about locolor, iconcache, and the like
[05:57] <ScislaC> seb128: hey, thank YOU for helping solve that :)
[05:58] <shirish> Hobbsee: both things returned empty :(
[05:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: then it's not a package
[05:58] <ScislaC> maybe I'll finally be able to get back into Gnome once the packages get right...
[05:58] <Hobbsee> shirish: as in, the first will find the binary packages, and the latter will tell you the source package, among other things
[05:59] <simira> where's the nearest place to get smoe chocolate here?
[06:00] <Hobbsee> simira: haha
[06:00] <Hobbsee> simira: no chocolate for you!
[06:01] <simira> Hobbsee: oh, yes. I'll just have to wait until after dinner ;) And that's in an hours time.
[06:02] <Hobbsee> simira: awwww
[06:02] <Hobbsee> simira: darn you.  i'm wanting some chocolate now!
[06:37] <simira> can someone push Tollef in my direction?
[06:39] <mikmorg> cjwatson: Hello
[06:42] <ubuntuEdgy> helooo
[06:43] <simira> Hobbsee: yihaa!
[06:43] <Hobbsee> simira: :)
[06:43] <Hobbsee> simira: now, i'll need that back, before i next have to go into work
[06:48] <simira> Hobbsee: sure, here you go. Hope I won't need it in Birmingham
[06:48] <Hobbsee> :)
[07:13] <jcole> anyone here own a gps device and use it on linux? is there any drive by turn gps software in ubuntu?
[07:15] <mjr> this is not the channel you're looking for
[07:16] <mjr> you may go about your business
[07:16] <jcole> ya, sorry, i posted in #ubuntu
[07:29] <ScislaC> seb128: I hate to bug you... so now that I can finally get back in Gnome (yay!), it doesn't looks like gtk themes are working... no matter what I choose it doesn't change anything... any command-line way to debug this?
[07:30] <jcole> ScislaC: try running gnome-settings-daemon
[07:32] <ScislaC> jcole: whoa... that got everything back to normal... any ideas as to why that didn't start? (going to check my sessions now)
[07:32] <jcole> ScislaC: are you running something funky like XGL
[07:32] <ScislaC> jcole: yes... but this didn't happen before
[07:33] <jcole> ScislaC: there you go... gnome-settings-daemon needs to run on the same DISPLAY as gnome is running on
[07:33] <jcole> ScislaC: XGL is an evil hack that does not work well
[07:34] <jcole> ScislaC: if you are using ati, use the open source driver with aiglx and regain sanity
[07:34] <ScislaC> jcole: agreed... and ATI sucks for not letting me use AIGLX ;)
[07:34] <ScislaC> my current card isn't supported by the radeon driver
[07:35] <ScislaC> jcole: but I'm curious as to why this changed... seems weird because as of last week gnome-settings-daemon launched on the correct display. Eh, either way... thank you for clearing that up for me :)
[07:36] <jcole> ScislaC: maybe check your gdm script
[07:36] <jcole> ScislaC: an ubuntu update might have set it "back"
[09:46] <wasabi> hmm, do we have a prefered inetd?
[09:47] <geser> does Ubuntu install a inetd at all by default?
[09:47] <wasabi> don't think so
[10:01] <Rod> Hi
[10:02] <Rod> i read the topic. ... but still :p You people have the knowledge to help me here
[10:03] <Rod> wireless network works under 7.07, under gutsy it doesnt. I copied over the old interfaces file but that isnt enough. Module is the same. What else do i have to copy over to have the exact same network settings ?
[10:03] <ScottK> Rod: Try #ubuntu+1
[10:04] <Rod> thanks ScottK , wasnt aware of that one :)  Goodday'
[10:09] <munckfish> slomo: have you got time to chat about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/service-discovery-applet/+bug/96433?
[10:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 96433 in service-discovery-applet "[apport]  service-discovery-applet crashed with GError in connect()" [Undecided,Fix released] 
[11:09] <mikmor1> cjwaston: ping
[11:20] <cjwatson> mikmor1: offline until Monday in about one minute
[11:20] <cjwatson> got your mail though
[11:22] <mikmor1> cjwatson: Thanks
[11:34] <cjwatson> mikmor1: ... and you have mail now. I hope it works :-)