[12:56] <BobSapp> hi thar
[12:59] <BobSapp> http://secunia.com/advisories/26037/ this affected me in xubuntu
[01:00] <BobSapp> http://secunia.com/advisories/26037/$(xterm) this affected me in xubuntu
[01:00] <BobSapp> when i open the second link in xfce4-terminal, a xterm session pops up
[01:01] <BobSapp>  http://foo.bar/$(xterm)
[01:01] <BobSapp> hmm now its not working
[01:02] <BobSapp>  http://foo.bar/$(xterm)/
[01:02] <BobSapp> yeah that one will do it
[01:04] <BobSapp> let me know if u guys have the same
[01:20] <servaas> hi
[01:22] <BobSapp> hi
[01:26] <BobSapp> tonige you dine in shell :)
[01:27] <TaJMoX> !undelete
[01:27] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about undelete - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:29] <TaJMoX> bobsapp what irc client you running?
[01:30] <BobSapp> `irssi
[01:30] <BobSapp> in a command line
[01:30] <BobSapp> which is xfce4-terminal
[02:20] <TaJMoX> bobsapp - will it do something like if you click "http://foo.bar/$(rm /etc/filename)/   ?
[02:49] <italianninja2> hello ubuntu not loading gui
[02:49] <vidd_laptop> ubuntu or xubuntu?
[02:51] <totalwormage> (hdd full? :P) (df -h)
[02:52] <italianninja2> ubuntu
[02:55] <vidd_laptop> try sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart
[02:55] <italianninja2> it doesnt work says command not found
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> then sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[02:58] <vidd_laptop> *wave* cellofel1ow
[03:00] <italianninja2> ok something is happening !!! =)
[03:08] <italianninja2> its worked thank u
[03:13] <ToastMaster> Hey guys
[03:13] <ToastMaster> I'm extremely new to Ubuntu
[03:13] <ToastMaster> I need some help installing. Can some one give me a couple minutes to ask basic install quesions?
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> sure....even though this is Xubuntu and not Ubuntu....
[03:14] <ToastMaster> lol
[03:14] <ToastMaster> What's the difference?
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> ask away
[03:14] <vidd_laptop> xubuntu uses the xfce desktop environment, and ubuntu uses gnome
[03:15] <ToastMaster> Well I sent to Ubuntu.com and downloaded a ISO, burned it, and tried booting
[03:15] <ToastMaster> okay.. well I just want something unix based
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> live or alt cd?
[03:15] <ToastMaster> CD
[03:15] <ToastMaster> Something I downloaded
[03:15] <ToastMaster> I get this error
[03:15] <vidd_laptop> live cd or alt cd?
[03:15] <ToastMaster> sh: can't access tty: job control turned off
[03:15] <ToastMaster> I found this post talking about this error
[03:15] <ToastMaster> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=94250&highlight=job+control+turned
[03:16] <ToastMaster> I can't even begin to understand what they are talking about
[03:16] <ToastMaster> I'm installing this as a dual boot
[03:17] <ToastMaster> any ideas what questions I should be asking right now
[03:17] <ToastMaster> I have a standard Intel HP machine running XP
[03:17] <ToastMaster> I'm extremely new,
[03:19] <ToastMaster> any ideas?
[03:19] <vidd_laptop> actually....yes....
[03:19] <ToastMaster> yes? what?
[03:19] <ToastMaster> :)
[03:22] <vidd_laptop> basicly you need to set it up so that your grub is on the master boot record
[03:23] <ToastMaster> what does that mean?
[03:23] <ToastMaster> Grub?
[03:23] <ToastMaster> something that I download?
[03:23] <vidd_laptop> grub is the bootloader
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> it is installed by default
[03:24] <ToastMaster> Is it on my CD?
[03:24] <vidd_laptop> yes
[03:24] <ToastMaster> Cool...
[03:24] <ToastMaster> So I do something in the BIOS?
[03:27] <vidd_laptop> well....
[03:27] <ToastMaster> Or do I get the GRUB from windows
[03:27] <ToastMaster> and install it first
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> check your bios to make sure there is no option "protecting" the MBR (master boot record)
[03:28] <vidd_laptop> grub gets installed from your linux install
[03:29] <ToastMaster> lol... do I need to install something else before i install ubuntu?
[03:29] <vidd_laptop> no....
[03:29] <ToastMaster> partition my drive....
[03:29] <ToastMaster> ?
[03:29] <ToastMaster> might not be a bad idea?
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> just make sure that the bios is not "protecting" the MBR
[03:30] <ToastMaster> MBR?
[03:30] <vidd_laptop> Master Boot Record
[03:30] <ToastMaster> master boot record
[03:30] <ToastMaster> ya
[03:30] <ToastMaster> that's in the Bios on starup right?
[03:31] <vidd_laptop> no...Master Boot Record is the first section of your primary hard drive
[03:31] <ToastMaster> where do I find that?
[03:31] <ToastMaster> F2 on startup on In Windows?
[03:32] <vidd_laptop> there are bios settings on some motherboards that "protect" it by not letting anything change it
[03:34] <ToastMaster> ???
[03:34] <ToastMaster> so do I open my computer?
[03:35] <ToastMaster> get another computer?
[03:35] <vidd_laptop> go in your bios
[03:35] <ToastMaster> In it right now
[03:36] <ToastMaster> main, advanced, security, boot, power, exit
[03:36] <vidd_laptop> is there a setting that says something like virus protection?
[03:36] <ToastMaster> 1 sec
[03:37] <ToastMaster> nada
[03:41] <ToastMaster> thanks for your time btw
[03:42] <ToastMaster> I'm about outt'a here. I found a Wiki for common installation problems
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> ToastMaster, try getting the alt cd and installing the base only
[03:42] <vidd_laptop> ok
[03:42] <ToastMaster> great
[03:42] <ToastMaster> thanks!
[03:42] <ToastMaster> bye
[03:43] <ToastMaster> +
[06:17] <orbisvicis_> i try to open xfce-terminal, but then get logged out ... anyone know a fix ?
[06:19] <Jester45> orbisvicis_, its a bug, i dont remeber the number but you can use an alternative terminal such as xterm or Alt+Ctrl+F1 (Alt+F7 to get back to desktop) or installing a diffrent one ie gnome's terminal or KDE's
[06:20] <orbisvicis_> ok xterm it is
[06:25] <Jester45> !bug 91849
[06:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91849 in xfce "i810 + xorg = xfce crashes when opening terminal" [Unknown,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/91849
[06:26] <j1mc> good call, Jester45
[06:26] <j1mc> that one pops up a lot
[06:26] <j1mc> there's an upstream bug about it, too.
[06:26] <orbisvicis> that sucks
[06:27] <Jester45> yep
[06:27] <orbisvicis> that happened in the middle of synaptic
[06:27] <orbisvicis> froze
[06:27] <orbisvicis> rebooted
[06:27] <orbisvicis> now I see blank blue screen
[06:27] <Jester45> orbisvicis, do you have a i810
[06:27] <orbisvicis> celeron 466
[06:29] <Jester45> orbisvicis, cat /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep Driver
[06:29] <Jester45> run that
[06:30] <orbisvicis> yeah i810
[06:30] <Jester45> yep thats your bug
[06:30] <orbisvicis> plus some unneeded wacom drivers
[06:31] <orbisvicis> yeah it has 1 mb video ram
[06:31] <Jester45> wow
[06:31] <Jester45> :)
[06:33] <orbisvicis> xubuntu lags when drawing windows ... and its not the cpu .. or the ram
[06:33] <orbisvicis> installed 2 hr ago, already broken
[06:33] <j1mc> orbisvicis: which version of xubuntu are you using?
[06:33] <orbisvicis> hmm i need a faster distro
[06:34] <orbisvicis> 7.04
[06:34] <orbisvicis> alternate/lvm
[06:34] <Jester45> orbisvicis, why not try a lighter wm
[06:34] <j1mc> does just the terminal lag, or all windows?
[06:34] <orbisvicis> just windows
[06:34] <Jester45> orbisvicis, have you tried fluxbox
[06:35] <Jester45> !wm
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wm - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <j1mc> no, i mean, does just the terminal's window lag, or do all windows for all apps lag?
[06:35] <j1mc> sorry
[06:35] <Jester45> !windowmanager
[06:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about windowmanager - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:35] <j1mc> !fluxbox
[06:35] <ubotu> fluxbox is a lightweight and responsive window manager for GNU/Linux. For how to set it up and more information see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Fluxbox
[06:35] <orbisvicis> um yeah fluxbuntu herd 2 comes out in 5 days
[06:35] <Jester45> whats the one where it shows a small list of them
[06:36] <Jester45> i would use it if could get it to work/look like DSL's
[06:36] <Jester45> but i cant use it for more than 10 mins unless its on DSL
[06:36] <orbisvicis> i chose xubuntu b/c fluxbuntu wont have file associations set up till 5 days
[06:39] <orbisvicis> maybe arch linux w/ e17 or fluxbox
[06:40] <orbisvicis> http://shots.linuxquestions.org/
[07:01] <Jester45> hey
[07:58] <discord_> the printer menu disappered from applications > settings anyone know how i can get it back?
[08:23] <damike> hi
[08:23] <damike> is there a deb package from acrobat 7 out there?
[08:24] <BFTD> damike not sure, but there is acrobat fro linux somewhere
[08:24] <damike> BFTD, yes - but only a RPM :(
[08:25] <BFTD> damike then install alien
[08:34] <damike> BFTD, ah - its in media buntu :)
[09:38] <BlenderUser42> hello
[09:39] <BlenderUser42> can a C app be compiled when running the livecd?
[09:40] <BlenderUser42> hello
[10:21] <Merchelo> hello
[10:22] <bitform> hey
[10:23] <Merchelo> whats the craic?
[10:28] <bitform> craic? I'm sorry. What is that?
[10:46] <Merchelo> it's an irish word for "how's it going dude"
[10:49] <bitform> Ah 
[10:50] <bitform> That's Chinese for "I'm good, how are you?"
[10:54] <TheSheep> Mahalo nui loa
[10:57] <bitform> hehe. you saw where I was from?
[11:00] <TheSheep> 09:57 -!- bitform [n=bitform@cpe-66-91-31-27.hawaii.res.rr.com]  has joined  #xubuntu
[11:00] <bitform> yeah
[01:10] <gerro> hello
[01:11] <wbadger> hello
[01:26] <fistfullofroses> how the heck can i change the cursor in xfce4?
[01:38] <gerro> guess he found out how to change the cursor
[01:38] <gerro> wbadger: hiya
[04:43] <Mnabil> #ubuntu
[06:44] <artabrahao> Hi, if I remove syslog it the ubuntu will create a new one?
[06:47] <maxamillion> artabrahao: i would imagine it would, but why do you want to remove it?
[06:49] <hyper_ch> netscape does still exist as browser???
[06:49] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: seamonkey
[06:50] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: netscape 9 beta 2 available... is that seamonkey?
[06:51] <TheSheep> no idea
[06:51] <hyper_ch> ok :)
[06:52] <hyper_ch> is seamonkey based on FF?
[06:52] <gnomefreak> seamonkey is 1.1.2 latest version
[06:52] <gnomefreak> its built on the 1.8.0 gecko which is lower than what ff is built on
[06:53] <maxamillion> hyper_ch: well, i believe technically no but they are both based off mozilla
[06:53] <hyper_ch> http://browser.netscape.com/downloads/
[06:53] <gnomefreak> mozilla is based off netscape
[06:53] <hyper_ch> in the Heise article they say netscape 9 beta 2 is based on FF 2.0.0.4
[06:54] <gnomefreak> they may backward base it now but netscape was released long before ff 1 was
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[06:55] <hyper_ch> netscape goes back to a time before MSIE ^^
[06:55] <artabrahao> suggestion?
[06:55] <hyper_ch> artabrahao: what is the problem?
[06:57] <artabrahao> the syslog is too big, I removed it but was not recreated
[06:58] <hyper_ch> artabrahao: then recreate it yourself :)
[06:58] <maxamillion> artabrahao: don't delete it, just clear it
[06:58] <maxamillion> echo " " > /path/to/syslog
[06:58] <maxamillion> well ... sudo
[06:58] <maxamillion> but yeah
[07:01] <artabrahao> nice, works
[07:01] <artabrahao> Can you help me change the date time via tty?
[07:03] <hyper_ch> wohoo, now I did something for Xubuntu :)
[07:04] <hyper_ch> the alternate-cd is now seeded more by me than I had to download ;)
[07:05] <hyper_ch> 686MB Download and 732MB Upload so far :)
[07:07] <maxamillion> lol
[07:07] <hyper_ch> (and 3.8 GB of Season 1 B5 uploaded)
[07:28] <exw> my bother has a windows machine with 3 drives ( two with data ) will xubuntu install give him a choice to wipe and install on one drive while keeping the data ( not touching ) the other two?
[07:29] <wbadger> yes
[07:30] <exw> once installed will the other two drives be automatically mounted?
[07:31] <wbadger> well, yeah, but you should install the package ntfs-3g if you want to be able to write to them too.
[07:31] <TheSheep> exw: they should, if for some reason they are not, you can add them manually
[07:31] <wbadger> exw, otherwise they will be read-only
[07:32] <exw> ok thanks for your help
[07:32] <wbadger> exw, np
[07:34] <hyper_ch> exw: and before altering partition and stuff and installing xubuntu:   BACKUP YOUR ESSENTIAL DATA
[07:34] <exw> :-) ok
[07:37] <exw> i was thinking of having my brother remove the two data disks before install, and have him put them back after install... but i'm thinking that ubuntu might not automatically recognize and mount the new disks... if i'm wrong i quess that would be the best way to go, eh? ( so he does not have to backup 2gb of data )
[07:37] <hyper_ch> exw: yes, that would be a good option.... ubuntu will not auto-recognize it but to manually mount them is not difficult either
[07:37] <cellofellow> Anybody have a knowledge of Xinerama? I know there is the Wiki but I have a little question that the Wiki doesn't answer.
[07:38] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: what does it do? Xinerama?
[07:38] <cellofellow> auto-recognize what?
[07:38] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: multi-screen displays.
[07:38] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: auto-recognizing HDs
[07:38] <cellofellow> oh, yeah.
[07:38] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: hmmm, you might have better luck in #ubuntu with that
[07:38] <cellofellow> I think that works for hot-pluggable SCSI disks, but that's it.
[07:38] <exw> hyper_ch: ok
[07:38] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: ok.
[07:38] <hyper_ch> exw: mounting is really simple :)
[07:39] <hyper_ch> (if you know how)
[07:39] <cellofellow> set up fstab and forget about it.
[07:39] <exw> :-)
[07:39] <cellofellow> use !uuid
[07:39] <cellofellow> !uuid | ewx
[07:39] <ubotu> ewx: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[07:39] <cellofellow> exw ^ oops
[07:39] <hyper_ch> I have a tough decision to make :(
[07:40] <cellofellow> what tough decision?
[07:40] <hyper_ch> Dner Kebab or pizza or chinese food?
[07:40] <hyper_ch> what am I going to eat for dinner ^^
[07:40] <cellofellow> Chinese kebabs with pepperoni.
[07:41] <hyper_ch> lol
[07:47] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: trying to get someone in here who may help with xinerama
[07:47] <cellofellow> ok
[07:48] <jihi> hyper_ch: ?
[07:48] <hyper_ch> jihi: cellofellow has some problems with multi-screens and xinerama
[07:48] <hyper_ch> thx for coming
[07:48] <cellofellow> no problems (yet), just a question.
[07:49] <jihi> ^^
[07:49] <jihi> ask ^^
[07:49] <cellofellow> Can I do it with one AGP nvidia card and one pci non-nvidia (most likely S3) card?
[07:49] <hyper_ch> problem... question... what's the difference anyway
[07:49] <cellofellow> Or do the cards have to match?
[07:50] <jihi> hm, i dont know :/
[07:50] <sx66> what is a good app for adjusting sound for xubuntu?
[07:50] <jihi> i have both screens connectet to one nvidia card
[07:50] <vzduch> sx66: alsamixer?
[07:51] <hyper_ch> cellofellow: now we have to convert jihi to the dark side of ubuntu using: Xfce ^^
[07:51] <sx66> okay
[07:51] <jihi> haha xD
[07:51] <cellofellow> sx66: alsamixer, or the included xfce4-mixer
[07:52] <cellofellow> hyper_ch: wince when was xfce the dark side?
[07:52] <hyper_ch> not "was" ... "is" :) don't you have that dark bootup splash with the cool xfce mouse in the ubuntu logo?
[07:53] <cellofellow> jihi: yeah, there are instruction on the wiki (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XineramaHowTo) but it only documents for TwinView Nvidia, ATI, and Intel laptop chips that have the projector output.
[07:54] <jihi> cellofellow: but i think it will work, because xinerama uses two seperated Xserver
[07:55] <cellofellow> let me look at these xorg.conf samples
[07:55] <sx66> vzduch: in kubuntu they have one that controls headphone input by clicking the icon, is there one for xfce that can be controlled via my keyboard like KDE?
[07:55] <vzduch> ?
[07:55] <cellofellow> sx66: you can set up some custom keystrokes maybe.
[07:56] <cellofellow> My keyboard has volume buttons and they work.
[07:56] <wbadger> hey guys what bittorrent clients do you use on xubuntu?
[07:56] <cellofellow> deluge-torrent
[07:56] <cellofellow> not in repos (used to be though) get it from getdeb.net
[07:56] <cellofellow> PyGTK, simple interface (like uTorrent).
[07:57] <wbadger> why don't they want it in the repositories?
[07:57] <cellofellow> no idea
[07:57] <sx66> cellofellow: yes so do mine, but it only defaults to the main source, not headphones when I plug in headphones...KDE notices that and switches the input volume. I have kmix but it does not work in xfce.
[07:57] <keb> rtorrent is great
[07:58] <cellofellow> I have only one audio output.
[07:58] <wbadger> keb, is rtorrent ncurses based?
[07:58] <keb> yep
[07:58] <cellofellow> But if the headphone and speakers are on different ALSA devices, then you can set up something so that you control the volume of one with a a different set of keys.
[07:59] <cellofellow> rtorrent sounds nice for an ssh-based download session, or for seeding something continuously.
[08:00] <keb> i find rtorrent lean and efficient
[08:00] <wbadger> cellofellow, do you think the getdeb version of deluge-torrent is different than the one in their site?
[08:00] <cellofellow> it may be a little backdated.
[08:01] <cellofellow> But last I checked I couldn't find their package on their sight.
[08:01] <wbadger> cellofellow, ok, thanks I'll try it (they have a package here.. http://deluge-torrent.org/downloads) and thanks keb too.
[08:12] <sx66> how do you find a good torrent, all of them stall...
[08:13] <hyper_ch> sx66: http://www.thepiratebay.org
[08:13] <hyper_ch> sx66: use those with lots of seeders ;)
[08:13] <sx66> what are seeders?
[08:15] <hyper_ch> sx66: what do you think seeders are?
[08:16] <sx66> I downloaded rtorrent from syn. and i can not find it on the app menu I searched for it also
[08:17] <keb> rtorrent is a text app, you start it by typing rtorrent in a terminal
[08:17] <hyper_ch> google for "torrent seeder"
[08:26] <sx66> my volumes (thumbdrive can not mount) how do I fix that?
[08:28] <wbadger> what volumes
[08:28] <wbadger> oh he left :S
[08:30] <keb> hmm looks like the default install does not put postfix in, or at least nothing is listening on port 25
[08:39] <exw> its nice to see a lot of xfce4 commits from different people .  when i first read about xfce4 i thought it was still one person project
[08:40] <hyper_ch> after having tested gnome and kde and xfce it was no question what I'm going to use
[08:40] <hyper_ch> !version
[08:40] <ubotu> To find out what version of Ubuntu you have, type  lsb_release -a  in a !shell
[08:50] <newcoventry> for the basic install of xubuntu, is there a vnc or remote desktop functionality built in, or should I install from Synaptic?
[08:51] <kalikiana> newcoventry, There is not built-in remote functionality.
[08:51] <newcoventry> kalikiana: thank you
[08:51] <kalikiana> yw :)
[09:08] <hyper_ch> can someone review my cron-code?
[09:09] <hyper_ch> what does this code do?   00 23 19 07 * php -f /var/www/rs8.php >/dev/null 2>&1     ?
[09:13] <keb> runs a script at 00:23 on the 19th of july
[09:13] <hyper_ch> not at 23:00?
[09:14] <keb> hmm
[09:14] <keb> yeah at 23:00
[09:14] <hyper_ch> good.. just wanted to make sure it's setup do to its task when I'm on vacation :)
[09:15] <keb> are you sure you dont want to see the error output?
[09:15] <hyper_ch> keb: yeah, I tested the script already by calling it in the browser and it works fine
[09:16] <keb> hmmm. looks like it might put that in an email
[09:16] <keb> cool
[09:16] <hyper_ch> put in an email?
[09:16] <hyper_ch> keb: I made it like that because I don't want any email :)
[09:16] <keb> the cron logs
[09:16] <keb> yeah
[09:16] <keb> ok
[09:17] <keb> i forgot i setup my crons to send me email years ago
[09:17] <keb> but its not normally that way
[09:17] <hyper_ch> hehehe
[09:17] <hyper_ch> I know
[09:18] <hyper_ch> btw, if you don't have set a specific email address, where does cron save the output data to?
[09:19] <wbadger> hyper_ch, doesn't it send it to your mail in /var/mail/ ?
[09:19] <keb> /var/spool/mail/user?
[09:19] <hyper_ch> that's empty :)
[09:19] <keb> i have a .forward in my account in remote servers to send it to my home machine
[09:19] <wbadger> then it won't be after you get mail..
[09:21] <hyper_ch> I thought it does always save the output when no mail-to address is given in the cron
[09:21] <keb> if you are root, it might save output in /var/log/cron
[09:23] <hyper_ch> no cron in /var/log
[09:24] <keb> hmm me neither.  i must be thinking of fedora :(
[09:25] <hyper_ch> hehehe :)
[09:25] <hyper_ch> haven't tried fc sind fc4
[09:28] <pi3> hi, on this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstalandoXubuntu_ES, where it says "Gracias a OSDir por su exelente galera de capturas!", it should say "exCelente"
[09:28] <hyper_ch> hola pi3
[09:29] <pi3> hola hyper_ch
[09:29] <hyper_ch> pi3: it's a wiki... you can register yourself and correct it :)
[09:29] <hyper_ch> pi3: at least I think you can
[09:29] <pi3> does xubuntu come with xfce?
[09:29] <pi3> oh, well I'll see
[09:30] <pi3> I mean from factory
[09:30] <hyper_ch> pi3: yes, Xubuntu comes with Xfce... Ubuntu with Gnome and Kubuntu with KDE
[09:30] <pi3> because I'm reading how to install it and they talk about a command line
[09:31] <hyper_ch> pi3: where?
[09:31] <hyper_ch> pi3: well, did you download already a cd-image?
[09:31] <hyper_ch> pi3: and text installer is not the same as command line install
[09:31] <pi3> It's not for me, I use ubuntu. But a friend of mine wants to install xubuntu and he's not a command line friend
[09:31] <hyper_ch> pi3: it's all the same
[09:32] <hyper_ch> pi3: if you use the desktop cd it will first boot the whole system
[09:32] <pi3> he's just coming to this world
[09:32] <pi3> ok, better
[09:32] <hyper_ch> pi3: if you use the alternate install cd... you will have a text-based installer... but it's not a command line installer
[09:32] <pi3> he is downloading the full system, not the alternate.. so that won't be a probem
[09:32] <hyper_ch> well, the desktop cd can sometimes cause problems
[09:33] <wbadger> pi3, it doesn't mean you don't have a graphical interface.. only that they want you to perform a command in a terminal emulator (like gnome's Terminal)
[09:33] <pi3> and excelente has been corrected :)
[09:33] <hyper_ch> pi3: for installation the alternate cd is generally recommended
[09:33] <hyper_ch> pi3: thx for the correction :)
[09:34] <pi3> hyper_ch: yes, I know, but this will be his first time, I don't think that starting with a text install would be the best way
[09:34] <keb> excelente!
[09:34] <hyper_ch> pi3: the text-based installer looks something like this:   http://knolinux.com/images/35596-33125/Elive6.PNG
[09:34] <hyper_ch> pi3: you don't have fancy graphics and stuff... just text
[09:34] <pi3> hyper_ch: like debian
[09:35] <hyper_ch> pi3: yes
[09:35] <hyper_ch> pi3: as said, the desktop cd may cause problems upon booting or installation... because of that the alternate cd is recommende for doing an install :)
[09:35] <hyper_ch> pi3: but it might be that the desktop cd works like a charm for your friend
[09:36] <hyper_ch> pi3: and after you have downloaded the cd-image, don't forget to check it's md5 sum and when burning it to cd, do not burn it quicker than 4x
[09:36] <hyper_ch> pi3: with that, you should be fine :)
[09:36] <hyper_ch> (except if your friend has incompatible hardware)
[09:36] <pi3> hyper_ch: I hope so, if he has a problem, we'll try with the alternate... for now I think graphical is better
[09:36] <hyper_ch> :)
[09:36] <hyper_ch> pi3: you're not also tempted at using xubuntu instead of ubuntu?
[09:37] <pi3> hyper_ch: heh, not really.. I like GNOME, do you use xubuntu?
[09:37] <hyper_ch> pi3: yes I use it
[09:38] <pi3> are you a developer or something?
[09:38] <hyper_ch> pi3: nah, just an ordinary user...
[09:38] <pi3> the important ones, the ones that collaborate with the community?
[09:39] <pi3> however, I'm trying to persuade my school to adopt linux
[09:39] <hyper_ch> pi3: just an oridnary user... I help people here on irc and in the forums if I can...
[09:40] <hyper_ch> pi3: well, linux has no licence fees ;) that should be reason enough
[09:40] <pi3> they are like microsoft slaves
[09:40] <pi3> we use visual basic, access, win xp..
[09:40] <hyper_ch> pi3: they are... but times are changing
[09:41] <pi3> yep, for the final project we are using MySQL and probably c++
[09:41] <pi3> so that is better
[09:41] <hyper_ch> pi3: what project?
[09:41] <hyper_ch> pi3: I don't know any c++... just sql/html/php
[09:41] <hyper_ch> pi3: and a bit of java and Lotus Script
[09:42] <pi3> a hardware device to identify yourself at a computer and open doors, activate a car...
[09:42] <pi3> may sound stupid, but we are just in the middle of the high school
[09:42] <pi3> :P
[09:42] <wbadger> pi3, you're lucky... at my school we learn Prolog, have you ever even heard of it?
[09:42] <pi3> nope
[09:42] <hyper_ch> pi3: hmm, we didn't program at all :)
[09:42] <wbadger> pi3, see... there's a reason... it sucks
[09:43] <hyper_ch> pi3: computer science was basic introduction to windows and M$ word and m$ excel
[09:43] <pi3> what are you doing, wbadger?
[09:43] <wbadger> pi3, I'm in high school too..
[09:43] <pi3> how old are you?
[09:43] <pi3> I'm 15
[09:43] <wbadger> pi3, nearly 17
[09:43] <hyper_ch> still so young and already geeks? ^^
[09:44] <pi3> and 
[09:44] <pi3> you hyper?
[09:44] <wbadger> geeks is such an ugly word
[09:44] <hyper_ch> you prefer nerd?
[09:44] <pi3> geek was a fancy alternative for nerd
[09:44] <wbadger> hyper_ch, nope.. it's another ugly word.
[09:45] <pi3> but it is now basically the same
[09:45] <hyper_ch> I tend to think that nerd more of a negativ connotation than geek
[09:45] <pi3> geek sounds more like a computer guy, and nerd math/freak
[09:46] <pi3> don't you think so'
[09:46] <wbadger> hyper_ch, I tend to think both have very negative connotations ..
[09:46] <pi3> where are you from wbadger?
[09:46] <hyper_ch> I don't think geek is that negative... but then I'm not a native english speaker
[09:46] <wbadger> pi3, Israel, and you?
[09:46] <pi3> argentina
[09:47] <pi3> do you know ORT?
[09:47] <wbadger> it's a school..
[09:47] <hyper_ch> nope
[09:47] <pi3> well, I'm attending the local ORT
[09:48] <wbadger> pi3, amm.. means you're juish? or is ORT kinda global?
[09:48] <pi3> both
[09:49] <wbadger> is it hard over there?
[09:49] <pi3> I have nothing to compare with
[09:49] <pi3> :P
[09:50] <pi3> we don't have homework
[09:50] <wbadger> oh right :P
[09:50] <pi3> that's great
[09:51] <pi3> what city of israel?
[09:51] <wbadger> sounds great :\ do you stay a lot of hours in school instead?
[09:51] <wbadger> quiet city of herzliya  :)
[09:51] <pi3> from 8 till 2:30, 4 or 5 depending on the day
[09:51] <pi3> and you?
[09:52] <wbadger> I'm quite the same, just I do get homework... and we have "Bagruyot" tests.. finals in every subject
[09:52] <pi3> do you use xubuntu
[09:52] <pi3> ?
[09:53] <wbadger> yeah :)
[09:53] <pi3> have you ever been here? in buenos aires?
[09:53] <wbadger> no
[09:55] <pi3> wbadger: can you write "the shofar" in hebrew? i need it for a work
[09:55] <wbadger> pi3, are you going to be visiting Israel next year? or Poland?
[09:55] <wbadger> lol... 
[09:55] <wbadger> 
[09:55] <pi3> thanks
[09:55] <pi3> :)
[09:55] <pi3> no, at least it is not in my plans, why?
[09:55] <wbadger> np :P
[09:55] <keb> hmm   "checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables"
[09:56] <TheSheep> keb: install build-essential
[09:56] <keb> ah ok
[09:56] <keb> thanks
[09:56] <hyper_ch> the-all-knowing-Sheep :)
[09:56] <wbadger> pi3, in Israel, many kids are sent to poland during their 11th school year...
[09:58] <pi3> wbadger: there's a trip to poland and then to israel, the "marcha por la vida" in en would be "march for the life"
[09:58] <pi3> do you know it?
[09:59] <wbadger> pi3, yeah that's kinda what I meant, only we don't all travel in time for the march, since there are a lot of students sent from Israel so they are spread over the year.
[10:02] <pi3> is herzliya north or south?
[10:03] <wbadger> it is near the sea, just a bit norther than Tel Aviv (kinda middle :P )
[10:03] <hyper_ch> http://www.golem.de/0707/53471.html
[10:04] <pi3> hyper_ch is that running linux?
[10:04] <hyper_ch> yes, kubuntu
[10:04] <hyper_ch> pi3: you'll see it
[10:04] <hyper_ch> it's about the mpx
[10:04] <pi3> wow that's amazing
[10:05] <pi3> reminds me what billy introduce a time ago
[10:06] <hyper_ch> you mean that  20k table?
[10:06] <pi3> i think so
[10:06] <hyper_ch> I mean that ugly desk for $ 20k or something like that
[10:07] <hyper_ch> but then... somehow I don't think I can get used to touch a screen...
[10:08] <pi3> wbadger: prolog is weird
[10:08] <wbadger> pi3, try programming prolog in Hebrew.. so many bugs in software, so useless..
[10:08] <pi3> do you use the same keyboard for the 2 languages?
[10:09] <wbadger> pi3, yeah of course.. it is not hard at all
[10:13] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: you've seen their ipod? :)
[10:13] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: whose IP?
[10:13] <hyper_ch> iPod?
[10:14] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: Zune
[10:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: nope
[10:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I don't even have an iPod :) I just use my cell phone
[10:14] <TheSheep> creativity at Microsoft's best ;)
[10:14] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: I thought copying is what microsoft's best at
[10:15] <keb> embrace and extend ;)
[10:15] <TheSheep> hyper_ch: nah, you even had to use a separate program, not a shell command, to copy a directory
[10:15] <hyper_ch> TheSheep: lol
[10:16] <hyper_ch> keb: embrace ^^ reminds me of a movie ;)
[10:16] <keb> hyper_ch what movie is that?
[10:16] <TheSheep> pr0n ;)
[10:16] <hyper_ch> keb: Embrace of the Vampire (with Alyssa Milano)
[10:17] <keb> hehe
[10:17] <hyper_ch> not Pr0n but Alyssa is... 2open-minded" there
[10:17] <keb> good to hear
[10:18] <hyper_ch> shitty story but hey, it's Alyssa
[10:20] <keb> my desktop resolution is 800x600, but before i reinstalled it was 1024x768
[10:20] <keb> is there another display setting somewhere?
[10:20] <hyper_ch> keb: had a look at your Xorg.conf?
[10:21] <keb> not recently
[10:21] <hyper_ch> is 1024x786 enabled in there?
[10:21] <TheSheep> I'd rather check the monitor sync settings
[10:22] <hyper_ch> keb: do what the-all-knowing-sheep says :)
[10:22] <TheSheep> or the graphics aperture in bios if it's intel
[10:22] <keb> yeah (II) NV(0): Not using default mode "1024x768" (hsync out of range)
[10:23] <keb> weird, it was working yesterday before i reinstalled
[10:24] <TheSheep> differnet versions of graphics drivers autodetect monitors differently
[10:24] <TheSheep> it's a pita
[10:24] <wbadger> have to sleep.. good night everybody
[10:24] <keb> nite
[10:24] <TheSheep> bye wbadger
[10:24] <keb> (**) |   |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor"
[10:24] <keb> aha
[10:25] <TheSheep> dpkg-reconfigure xfserver-xorg
[10:25] <TheSheep> xserver-xorg
[10:36] <anywhere> hi.
[10:39] <anywhere> I want to add applications to the xfce menu, but ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/menu.xml seems to include an external file: "<include type="system" style="simple" unique="true" legacy="true"/>" (i have no clue). where is this file stored || how can i simply add applications?
[10:40] <keb> thanks TheSheep
[10:46] <TaJMoX> Where exactly are all the menu files located?  I want to remove some entries but can't find them in /etc/xdg/menus/* or in ~/.config/menus   there's another spot i should look?
[10:47] <TaJMoX> Specifically its the Others menu - where installed wine apps go
[10:47] <TaJMoX> in my applications.menu the Others part is empty
[10:47] <anywhere> i asked more or less the same question three minutes ago
[10:47] <Pumpernickel> Parts of the menu are autogenerated from *.desktop files.
[10:47] <TaJMoX> Ah
[10:48] <TaJMoX> so i'll just find |grep .desktop
[10:48] <anywhere> is there a tool to generate .desktop files?
[10:48] <TaJMoX> anywhere - make a launcher
[10:50] <anywhere> oh yes, you're right... and is there a directory where one is assumed to store desktop files? (espacially for applications in /opt and my own programs)
[10:51] <TaJMoX> found a bunch in ~/.local/share
[10:54] <anywhere> still it is strange... alacarte for example shows KDevelop (i know its gnome), but xfce doesnt...
[10:58] <TaJMoX> if you want to add if you can just open up a menu file in /etc/xdg/menus
[10:59] <TaJMoX> and add a line like this:  <app name="Tilda" cmd="tilda" icon="apport.png"/>
[11:00] <TaJMoX> anywhere - that would be better than using a .desktop file
[11:17] <sint_holo> i have added some modules to /etc/modules.d/blacklist but they still load anyway any ideas?
[11:42] <cellofellow> are Xorg 7 and XFree86 configurations compatible? Or at least almost compatible?
[11:42] <cellofellow> That's X.Org 7 and XFree86 4
[11:44] <maxamillion> cellofellow: i believe so, yes
[11:44] <cellofellow> OK. I'm thinking I can make a dual head with one AGP TNT2 and a PCI S3 Virge.
[11:44] <cellofellow> But this HowTo is for XFree86 4.
[11:44] <cellofellow> So, I was just making sure.
[12:00] <cellofellow> !inittab
[12:01] <cellofellow> c'mon dumb bot
[12:01] <cellofellow> !inittab
[12:01] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about inittab - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:01] <cellofellow> hmmph
[12:02] <Jester45> !init.d
[12:02] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about init.d - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:02] <Jester45> !init
[12:02] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[12:02] <cellofellow> I'd like to do two things I thought only inittab did: change my number of tty's, and change my default runlevel.
[12:03] <Jester45> well
[12:04] <Jester45> if you want to lower the tty you can just remove the script
[12:04] <Jester45> each one has its own script
[12:04] <cellofellow> which script?
[12:04] <cellofellow> I'd be happy with only two or three. six is overkill.
[12:04] <Jester45> and i guess that if you wanted to add one you could just copy one and make a new one modifiying it a bit
[12:06] <cellofellow> the scripts in /etc/event.d/?
[12:07] <cellofellow> hehe, I found the stuff I'm looking for.
[12:08] <Jester45> anyone know if gusty wil have ff3
[12:09] <Jester45> will*
[12:09] <cellofellow> Prolly.
[12:09] <cellofellow> It's scheduled for September right?
[12:09] <cellofellow> Gutsy for October.
[12:09] <Jester45> and it will probably get backported
[12:09] <vidd_laptop> how do you set it up so you can have 2 (or more) xsessions?
[12:09] <cellofellow> Is FF2 backported to Dapper?
[12:09] <Jester45> its a pretty major app
[12:10] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: like two logins at once on one screen? That's gdmflexiserver.
[12:10] <cellofellow> Jester45: which do you prefer?
[12:10] <Jester45> vidd_laptop, you can start a 2ns xserver
[12:10] <Jester45> cellofellow, feisty :) i wasnt talking about browser
[12:10] <vidd_laptop> no....like on [ctrl] [alt] [f7]  and [ctrl] [alt] [f8] 
[12:11] <Jester45> i use firefox
[12:11] <Jester45> vidd_laptop, thats a 2nd xserver
[12:11] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: yes, that's gdmflexiserver, if you're using GDM.
[12:11] <cellofellow> just try it in the run dialog.
[12:11] <Jester45> START A 2ND XSERVER
[12:11] <cellofellow> This does it all easy for you.
[12:12] <Jester45> so much easier
[12:12] <cellofellow> If you push New Login when XscreenSaver asks for your password, it runs gdmflexiserver.
[12:12] <cellofellow> (nice trick: if you have xnest installed, gdmflexiserver --xnest runs a nested X session.)
[12:13] <cellofellow> An X server in an X window.
[12:13] <Jester45> i got it auto login and i just start a new server wait a few seconds and switch over
[12:13] <Jester45> can you full screen it?
[12:13] <cellofellow> gdmflexiserver will autologin if you have that setup. It's GDM.
[12:13] <cellofellow> Jester45: I don't know. I thjnk that's beyond it's mission.
[12:14] <cellofellow> Jester45: It's like being able to use a full-login embedded su.
[12:14] <vidd_laptop> cellofellow, it either didnt work or it crashed
[12:14] <cellofellow> try in a terminal, it may tell you why.
[12:14] <Jester45> but wouldnt it be cool if you could fullscreen it
[12:15] <Jester45> that way you get a full desktop
[12:15] <Jester45> ... what about dual moniters
[12:15] <Jester45> you might beable to get 4 differnt destops
[12:15] <cellofellow> vidd_laptop: gdmflexiserver works here.
[12:17] <vidd_laptop> no dice
[12:18] <cellofellow> weird
[12:19] <cellofellow> well, maybe startx -- :1 will get you going
[12:19] <cellofellow> startx only works in a tty though.
[12:20] <vidd_laptop> no go there either......
[12:21] <cellofellow> what video card are you running on?
[12:22] <vidd_laptop> is there someplace you set how many desktops you can run
[12:23] <vidd_laptop>  video[Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device] 
[12:23] <cellofellow> you can have as many X servers running as you want.
[12:23] <cellofellow> Dunno why this ain
[12:23] <cellofellow> 't working
[12:25] <cellofellow> is there a kernel option to boot in a specific runlevel?
[12:25] <cellofellow> runlevel=3 for example
[12:25] <cellofellow> !runlevel
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about runlevel - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <cellofellow> pooo
[12:25] <ryan__> !rc
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[12:25] <ryan__> !rc.local
[12:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about rc.local - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi