raylugedit...but you should consider #ubuntu12:15
ARM9I don't want kubutu12:15
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stdingksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf12:15
ARM9lol sorry12:15
runleveltenchange Option "Composite" "Disable" to Option "Composite" "Enable"12:15
persen__in kubuntu, what is the equivalent of, System->Administration->Login Screen Setup (ubuntu)12:16
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runleveltenfunny, I was just about to mention composite after looking at this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=13601512:16
runleveltenit was the only thing weird I could see about the working T2e setup there12:16
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raylualt+f1 > system settings > advanced > login manager12:17
runleveltenalt F2 kcontrol -> sys admin -> login manager12:17
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GerritXorg is using all the CPU. I restarted it but it still does. I've experienced it before and rebooting solved the problem, but is there a step 'less' than I can try?12:22
tapasis any other process eating coniderable amount of cpu?12:23
tapaslike > 5%?12:23
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ubotuDeutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de12:27
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ARM9Hey I need help restoring my installation as it was before I installed kubuntu-desktop (autoremove doesn't seem to do it all).12:31
ARM9Any online docs?12:31
jhutchinsARM9: They'd probably know in ubuntu.12:32
facugaichARM9: there are a bunch of topics about it in ubuntu's forums, let me search12:32
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jhutchinsARM9: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome12:32
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ARM9Ah thanks.12:33
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ARM9jhutschins: That'll remove a lot of the standard things I had on ubuntu it seems. :S12:34
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ARM9(even tho it has install ubuntu-desktop at the end, but that thinks I have the latest update right?)12:35
keitarecan anyone help me with getting my wifi card to work12:35
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keitarecan anyone help me with getting my wifi card to work12:35
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Jemidonhi, can anyone help me with getting my DVD ROM drive to read PC-DVD ROM cds12:36
runleveltenCan anyone suggest a way to make mosquitos die in agony?12:38
runlevelten*preferably in a non-interactive way12:38
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Jemidonrunlevelten: i've found that spraying them with Lysol is a fun way to watch them die12:39
Sannethat's cruel and not funny12:41
Jemidoni find it quite charitable toward the species known as mosquitos, i could kill them with bug spray, but lysol prolongs their death12:42
Jemidonor if you want to get adventureous (sp) you could get a torch and spray the lysol at them...although i'd suggest being in open quarters12:43
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SanneI really don't think this is the right place to discuss the torturing of animals.12:43
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Jemidonok, i'll go join the PETA forums and discuss the torture of insects :-)12:45
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ARM9Shit, it didn't work... I pressed yes when it asked if I wanted to delete KDM daemon (which made it go into fault secure mode)12:47
ARM9Send the link again so I wont do the same misstake..12:47
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Jemidonsince we're no longer discussing the torture of animals...anyone know how to make my dvd rom read the contents of a PC-DVD?12:47
ARM9eh nvm I got it12:47
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runleveltenwot's lysol?12:49
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ARM9Now I'm fixing this...12:49
zipperif i have some files in a dir, how do i easily find the file that is the newest?12:50
JemidonLysol is a disinfectant12:50
runleveltenSanne: mosquitos are not animals, they are constantly killing millions of children with the diseases they spread, the world would be much better off if they were permanently eradicated :P12:51
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Sannezipper: I just use konqueror, sort by modified date. I guess you could use 'find' on the command line too.12:51
runleveltenAnyway: does anyone know of a kubuntu build of the K Menu with the finder in it?12:52
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rayluwhat finder?12:53
rayluand you mean a kde build12:53
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Sannerunlevelten: mosquitos are life. If you take it, it's gone. I don't think they're spreading disease conciously. Even iif it may be necessary to kill them for another species (us) to live, it's still sick to make cruel jokes about it.12:54
runleveltenNot sick. Some people have weird pro-animal agenda. That's not on-topic at all.12:54
zipperSanne, hmm okay, thx12:54
runleveltenraylu: the find as you type text field12:55
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raylulike vista's start menu?12:55
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runleveltenNo idea, I've never touched Vista.12:55
Sannerunlevelten: as much on topic as making those jokes about killing mosquitos in the first place. But I had my say, I'll shut up now about it.12:55
runleveltenSanne: thank goodness12:55
Sannerunlevelten: that was unnecessary12:56
raylushow me something about this finder, please?12:56
runleveltenraylu: not the big massive kmenu rewrite, the normal kmenu but with the find as you type text field in it12:56
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rayluright..but i've never seen a find as you type12:56
rayluexcept for katapult12:56
runleveltenan opensuse patch12:56
rayluso could you link me to something (screenshot) of it?12:56
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runleveltenkatapault is the alt-f2 dialog reskinned, but the kmenu finder... hang on I'll find a screenie :)12:57
raylulol...its a little more than that reskinned...12:57
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runleveltenReally? Cool, I must have another look at it, because I haven't found anything it does that the alt f2 dialog doesn't do yet12:59
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runleveltenmust have missed stuff =)12:59
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mo0osahif i use live cd to make ubuntu partition smaller and windows partition bigger would it mess up my boot loader?01:02
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rayluyour boot loader references partition numbers01:03
raylunot cylinder numbers01:03
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runleveltenAha - found one: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3674/part22wl.jpg01:05
pchildsI finally got my soundblaster live card to play all channels instead of just the two of my speaker setup. I am loving it. Woohoo. Now this is sound the way it should be.01:05
runleveltenIt is extremely cool - very useful for work, very quick and intuitive01:05
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runleveltenhi fred159901:06
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fred1599i am in difficult runlevelten01:06
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runleveltenThat was the sweet spot for the K Menu. I can't deal with stupid slab rubbish, which I find gets in the way massively01:07
runleveltenwhat's up fred1599?01:07
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raylu(can't read that tiny text)01:07
fred1599i don't know to install for my printer Epson stylus Photo R24501:07
runleveltenSorry, not many screenies around of it. Can you see the text field?01:07
fred1599i am with kubuntu 7.0401:08
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runleveltenthat does instant find like the amarok thing, it finds multiple menus, and it works for speculative searches - ie if you want all apps with "gl" in the name of the program, or the menu entry01:08
runleveltenusing the k menu without it afterwards is almost painful, heh01:09
fred1599R245 is no compatible with linux01:09
fred1599perhaps a solution?01:10
runleveltenI have a stylus rx425 which works with it01:10
runleveltenstylus photo*01:10
raylurunlevelten, yes, but how do i get it? is it kde4-only?01:10
raylu(and that is the vista one, btw :P)01:10
runleveltenIt's a Novell patch I believe01:11
runleveltennot sure if it got merged01:11
fred1599??? patch novell01:11
pchildsI want to know what is the best route for data encryption or password protecting folders in ubuntu?01:11
runleveltenfred1599: you need to find the appropriate drivers - my epson stylus photo is running on SuSE happily but I had to copy across the cups drivers for ubuntu as they weren't included01:12
ubotuFrom more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD01:12
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vzduchopenSUSE has a package 'manufacturer-ppds' (I think it's called that).. perhaps you could alien it01:13
persen__Why is the title "Gaming VPN Using PPTPD" ?? Has it something with playing games?01:14
ubotuVNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX01:14
ubotuFreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX01:14
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runleveltenIs anyone aware of how we enable the nice swish text completion in the run dialog on kubuntu?01:15
runleveltenat the moment I just get this win98-like dropdown thing.01:15
runleveltenOh, and the kinfocenter parts don't all work either. :\01:16
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runleveltenMan, there's a lot of work to be done to get this KDE up to scratch with other distros.01:17
rayluthat'd be nice01:17
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rayluyou mean with other managers?01:17
runleveltenOh well, I guess I'd better get a build environment set up and chalk in some time to do it myself ^^01:18
runleveltenAll the work is done, as other distros have it, so instead of moaning about it, I should fix it, heh01:18
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runleveltentrouble is, the voice from the dark side says "don't do all that, just install another distro and get on with work", heh01:19
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rayluwe're using an outdated kde?01:20
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runleveltenraylu: Nah, just missing some of the better patches01:21
WhtWolfTeraDyneraylu: 3.5.7 is latest in the 3.x line. Latest Kubuntu KDE, outside of adding the special repo, is
rayluis .7 a bugfix update?01:22
WhtWolfTeraDyneraylu: no idea.01:22
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JemidonHi, can anyone help me get The Sims 2 installed under Wine?01:22
runleveltenstill, this is very snappy compared to KDE on openSuSE01:23
runleveltennoticeably so01:23
WhtWolfTeraDyneJemidon: might be best to ask in #winehq01:24
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JemidonWhtWolfTeraDyne: Thanks, i'm new to IRC01:24
runleveltenJemidon: You have very little chance of success01:24
runleveltenif not *no* chance of success at this point01:25
WhtWolfTeraDynebad3r: hi01:26
runleveltenhello bad3r01:27
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bad3rim  good :|01:27
bad3rand you runlevelten01:27
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bad3r      ^_^01:29
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WhtWolfTeraDynebad3r: english only, please.01:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi01:30
bad3rWhtWolfTeraDyne   --  im  ksa01:31
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carutsu!es > koosoli01:34
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WhtWolfTeraDyneO_O; lagged out...01:36
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drowningAndGradepour sugar in tractors01:57
drowningAndGradejust dump sugar in tractors01:57
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WhtWolfTeraDyne? Did #kubuntu-offtopic change it's name? It's just about as dead here as it usually is there...01:57
gan|y|medis there any good site about kubuntu-beryl integration?01:58
drowningAndGradejust dump sugar in tractors if you have to work there01:58
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drowningAndGradejust fil up the godamn tank witgh sugar01:58
WhtWolfTeraDynegan|y|med: You might ask in #ubuntu-effects . They know more about beryl than most here.01:58
drowningAndGradehave that BEET01:58
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drowningAndGradeim from the north01:59
drowningAndGradeand japan01:59
drowningAndGradeworld war two01:59
drowningAndGradeand qhite idiots01:59
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drowningAndGradehow do i continue programming direct x 3d levels in linux?01:59
drowningAndGradeor else imna go infect john deer with sugar02:00
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drowningAndGradeim from the north02:00
drowningAndGradegod damn i am if your gonna tell me about my mother fuckin land wn\and havin sdome pride about who i am02:00
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.02:01
drowningAndGradegod mother fiucker god fuckin f\dam i learn im a man and i freed slavery from this mother fuckin land with a war and alkl02:01
drowningAndGradeteach me how to complete more levels in linus in 3d or oiill infect tractors with fuckin sugar02:01
drowningAndGradeyou hear me bitch?02:01
WhtWolfTeraDynedrowningAndGrade: I'll call the ops if you don't stop02:01
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dsmith? wtf02:01
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WhtWolfTeraDynedsmith: don't ask me. He was going off the handle since I got back and shortly before you got here02:03
zipperdrowningAndGrade, dude really, whats wrong with you?02:03
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dsmithdo a whois on him02:05
not-Timmayhow can i stream music off the web?02:05
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about streamtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi02:05
dsmithstreamtuner works wonders02:05
dsmithno config02:05
dsmithjust pick a stream02:06
dsmithand let it rip02:06
dsmithwell record I meant02:06
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runleveltenmplayer -dumpstream <MRL>02:06
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dsmithclick click.. done02:06
runleveltenclicking stuff takes a long time =)02:07
dsmithin linux I bet there is like 5 diffeent ways to do the very same thing02:07
runlevelteneach to their own, I say! :D02:07
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dsmith*smack* off of my streamtuner....02:07
runleveltenexample - my missus doesn't want to use mplayer in a shell, she uses nice GUI apps02:08
dsmithI love GUIs02:08
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runleveltenon the other hand, the time it takes me to type mpl(tab) -dumpstream shift-insert is about 1/10th of what it takes to start the GUI app02:08
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runleveltenso I'm happy too (and about halfway through downloading it when streamtuner would appear)02:09
dsmithat work I have installed a kubuntu iso running it acrosds the network02:09
dsmithusing virtual box02:10
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K-Ryan2What's the package for flash?02:13
ubotuTo install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash02:14
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not-Timmayok it's not working...can someone help me with it real quick?02:21
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runleveltenright, Ten out. night all.02:23
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tepossinohello there02:25
tepossinoi have an easy question just installed ubuntu :-)02:25
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tepossinowhat is the default root pw? :-)02:25
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not-Timmaysudo passwd root02:26
tepossinosecond and last question02:26
dsmithroot pw: BillGates shhhhh....02:27
Sanne!root | tepossino02:27
ubotutepossino: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo02:27
Doug1Hi all, I was wondering how I create a thunderbird shortcut on my desktop or taskbar.  I can run it through konsole but if i hit ctrl+c or exit the konsole, thunderbird dies02:27
tepossinohow do i secure this thing.... as fara as i know there could be an herd of elephnats inside my pc now... ;-)02:27
not-Timmayno need02:27
not-Timmayit's secured...02:27
not-Timmayi'm helping with that :)02:27
dsmithDoug1: go to the application, right click to place on desktop02:28
not-Timmayjust start typing stuf like your SSN and stuff02:28
Doug1thank you02:28
shadowhywindok i sware, the more i try to edit my fstab, the farther away i get from my actraul goal.. What is a normal fstab line for a vfat with rw?02:28
dsmithtepossino: thar, be a herrd of pengiuns.02:28
dsmithDoug1: your welcome02:28
not-Timmayshadowhywind: quit while you're ahead ;)02:28
tepossinohmmm  sounds like i have a silver bullet of a business desktop PC now ;-)02:28
dsmithtepossino: I have 5 machines at the office installed w/ kubuntu02:29
shadowhywindso any tips to help?02:29
Doug1dsmith: it doesn't run now02:29
not-Timmayont really, sorry02:30
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tepossinouh i have 3000 servers at my "office" :-)02:30
dsmithDoug1: does the application run when you click on the application link02:30
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tepossinoanyway i'll work on this kubuntu I promeise02:30
tepossinothanks for your help02:30
not-Timmayhey can anyone help me so I can stream audio off a website?02:30
dsmithtepossino: I have 3000 servers as well and one mean blad server named "Billy"02:31
tepossinolol dsmith02:31
Doug1dsmith: when i launch the script from the thunderbird folder it boots like a new account setup02:31
dsmithDoug1: did you setup Tbird already?02:31
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not-Timmaydoes anyone stream audio off a website here?02:32
Doug1yes i launched it through konsole and set up my servers.  everything is reset now though02:32
dsmithwhere is the folder?02:33
dsmithhow many acounst do you have in that folder02:33
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Doug1in home i only have one it's doug02:34
dsmithdoes it say default?02:34
Doug1where would it say default?02:35
dsmithhere is my directory lsiting, appreg  Archive.tar.gz  profiles.ini  profiles.ini~  tse8rk58.default02:35
dsmithtbird should not be giving alot of troubles02:36
dsmithit can be minorly quirky at times02:36
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Doug1yeah sorry.  i'm coming from xp and vista so one quick question is the thunderbird shell script file the one i want to copy to my desktop?02:37
tepossinohmmm.... do i need root privileges to modify xorg.conf? I only get 800x600 .... reminds me of 1987....02:37
dsmithwhat ver. ubuntu?02:37
Doug1kubuntu feisty fawn02:38
dsmithtepossino: of course02:38
tepossinook thx02:38
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dsmithDoug1: how did you install tbird?02:39
tzangerok, I just want to say that the network monitor that is able to tell when I've unplugged and gone wireless or vice-versa after a suspend/resume cycle... that rocks02:39
not-Timmayis kaffeine able to stream audio?02:39
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dsmithnot-Timmay: try streamtuner02:39
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not-Timmayhow do i make it stream a website audio?02:40
dsmithWhich website02:40
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Doug1dsmith: I tried untarring it in one location, didn't work, tried it in my home/doug and it worked. i used konsole to download whatever packages were needed and then i wrote cd /home/doug/thunderbird then ./thunderbird and the application popped up, but konsole didn't bring a new prompt i had to use ctrl+c, but that would quit thunderbird02:41
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not-Timmayor http://www.knixcountry.com/main.html02:42
dsmithnot-Timmay: sorry, I thought that streamtuner did give an option to type in a URL02:42
dsmithI just looked and could not find an option02:43
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dsmithDoug1: gimmie a few mins02:44
Doug1dsmith: ok do you want the error code that konsole gives?02:44
dsmithdid you download from thw website or via apt-get?02:45
Doug1website and then i looked on forums (very difficult btw) and it told me to keep doing these apt-get02:46
Doug1things for different packages02:46
Doug1i untarred the tar.gz from mozilla02:46
dsmithin linux most of what you need especially in the version that your using Fiesty; you can download from Add/Remove programs02:47
dsmithyour using kubuntu?02:48
tepossinonow.... a question dawns... why didnt it recognize that i can have 1024x768? so that i can spend my week-end modifying xorg.conf perhaps?02:48
dsmithok clean of the thunderbird folder under your home directory02:48
dsmithtepossino: I dont know02:49
dsmithi am at 1440x90002:49
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dsmith1600x1200 on the 20" at the office02:49
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tepossinoi am flabbergasted02:49
Doug1k that's done i had to login as root though to remove it02:50
tepossinook i'll shut up and go work on the xorg lol02:50
dsmithDoug1: ok, not goto, Add/Remove programs02:51
dsmithand run a search on thunderbird02:51
Doug1won't work02:51
Doug1needs to login as root02:51
Doug1but my root password that i use in konsole doesn't work02:52
dsmithstick your password in02:52
dsmithtry the password you login in with02:52
Doug1didn't work02:52
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dsmiththats odd02:52
dsmithopen konsole02:53
dsmithand type passwd02:53
dsmithinput your current one02:53
SanneDoug1: if I may jump in a sec, open konsole and type: 'sudo k', after that try add/remove again.02:53
SanneDoug1: soory: sudo -k02:54
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dsmithSanne: I was just about to ask you about that :)02:55
Sannedsmith: you were? heh :)02:55
Doug1ok i actually gotta go somewhere.  thanks for all you're help.  i'll try again later, but none of it worked.  maybe i just need a fresh install02:55
dsmithi didn't look right02:55
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dsmithDoug1: just do a reinstall of tbird02:56
Sannedsmith: yup, hectic little fingers of mine tz tz :)02:56
Doug1ok will do, thanks02:56
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dsmithkopete has irc?02:56
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Sannedsmith: I jumped in because sometimes kdesu won't work when the sudo timestamp is still valid. sudo -k resets this timestamp, and kdesu should work again. Sorry for the interruption.02:58
dsmithSanne: np, I was helping the guy as he was new, like I was 8 months ago. This room was extremely helpful to me02:58
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dsmithso enjoy returning the favor02:59
dsmithhmm kopete does have irc.....02:59
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Sannedsmith: isn't kopete using konversation as chat client?03:00
dsmithi dont know03:00
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dsmithhmmmm go jabber protocol working03:02
Sanneno, doesn't seem like it uses konversation. I guess I was confusing it with another application.03:02
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facugaichBy the way, how do I configure kopete  to login automatically?03:03
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Biteyn-1Can GRUB be set to boot a certain OS automaticly so on next boot it'll load ubuntu or windows automaticly?03:03
dsmithfacugaich: I am not entirely sure on how to do that03:05
facugaichBiteyn-1: yes, check in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file the "default" option03:05
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SanneBiteyn-1: I only know how to do that via editing /boot/grub/menu.lst. It's a bit work, but you could do it.03:05
Sannefacugaich: :)03:05
facugaichdsmith: I don't want it to autostart, I want it to login automatically whenever I start it03:06
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Biteyn-1and so next time it'll auto load ubuntu or windows?03:06
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Biteyn-1and if i want to go back into ubuntu i just press f8 or something?03:07
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SanneBiteyn-1: there's an option to hide the boot menu, and to get it back, it says press ESC03:10
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Biteyn-1sanne: so on boot up i just go to option before going into ubuntu?03:14
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SanneBiteyn-1: I understand that you would have to press ESC somewhere in the boot sequence (pretty early, I guess), then you'll get the boot menu where you can choose Ubuntu. The default you set would be still valid if you don't choose.03:16
facugaichBiteyn-1: Sanne is right03:17
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Biteyn-1alright :D03:22
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chrisiajaroh hi. anyone know how to make gstreamer work on kubuntu?03:23
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ShockValuehi all.. this is my first go at (k)ubuntu.. im following the wiki on how to set up the fglrx ati driver.. but i think its written for gnome (?).  anyway, i have the driver installed, but i dont know how to activate it in KDE03:32
rayluwhat step did you get to?03:32
rayluand you're looking at03:32
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto03:32
ShockValuesudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic restricted-manager03:33
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yurimxpxmankonqueror won't let me set FLV files to always open with *anything*.. do any of you know what's up with that?03:33
ShockValueyes, thats the one im following.. but this part doesnt seem to make sense "in 7.04 "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager" and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". "03:33
rayluyurimxpxman, are you trying to set it for system-wide?03:34
yurimxpxmanraylu: I'm just trying to do it for my own account, if that's what you mean03:34
rayluShockValue, i think you should try the edgy instructions; you're on feisty, right?03:35
ShockValueso how do I 'turn on' fglrx in KDE?03:35
yurimxpxmanraylu: the option to always open that type of file with a program is disabled03:35
yurimxpxmanShockValue: use the open radeon drivers03:35
rayluyurimxpxman, i haven't tried this with konqueror, but i suppose "kdesu konqueror" would let you set it...for system-wide03:35
ShockValueyurimxpxman: thanks for the sugggestion.  im trying to figure out how to use the fglrx drivers03:35
yurimxpxmanShockValue: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf03:36
ShockValueill jsut folow the edgy instructions03:36
yurimxpxmanShockValue: find the driver section and change it to "fglrx", then save and restart X with CTRL+alt+backspace03:36
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ShockValuekk, ill get that going.. now i just need to figure out how to get Amarok to play flac files, and I'll be in business >:)03:37
yurimxpxmanShockValue: as for the flac, just search synaptic for xine and check all the packages you want03:38
ShockValuecool thanks03:41
ShockValuelol, i love audiocd:/ kio .. its so slick :)03:41
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clouderIs there a shortcut in konversation to cycle through open channels/servers?03:47
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K-RyanWhat's the plugin for flash in firefox?03:49
rayluit doesn't install automatically for you?03:50
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clouderK-Ryan: I think all I did was install flash-plugin-nonfree and it worked03:51
K-Ryanclouder: flashplugin-nonfree isn't doing it for me =/03:51
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_Iamdawhat are some other suggestions, other than yahoo or gmail?03:54
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guest_ada k?03:55
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ccoffeydoes anyone have any expierence with fakeraid on the ICH7R ?04:00
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zolarit there a easy way to turn gdm and kdm on and off?04:05
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zolarMinataku: how do you do it?04:06
MinatakuI don't know, my distro uses a different init04:06
MinatakuLet's see if the bot knows04:06
ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto04:06
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MinatakuAh, use that bum thing, and swap kdm and/or gdm in and out04:07
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ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto04:11
ardchoillezolar: sudo /etc/init.d/*dm stop  (or "start", "restart") Is that what you wanted?04:11
zolaryes, but how do it.04:11
ardchoillezolar: sudo /etc/init.d/*dm stop04:11
ardchoille* = gdm or kdm04:12
ardchoillezolar: That stops the display manager, it doesn't prevent it from starting on reboot04:12
zolarwhat does?04:13
ccoffeydmraid can't seem to find my fakeraid, when booting the kernel, but from a live disc it does find it. I'm stuck at being unable to mount the root filesystem04:13
Nylekubuntu sucks04:13
clouderglad we got that cleared up04:13
Nylewell damn04:14
Nyleno one cares :/04:14
Nyleok ok it doesn't suck04:14
DaSkreechOf kourse it does04:15
DaSkreechIt has a k in it04:15
Nyleyou mean to say kde sucks?04:15
Nylewhy do you think so?04:15
DaSkreechzolar: the command that he just gave you04:15
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ubotuRaid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO04:15
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ccoffeyDaSkreech: If that's directed at me, i've read those pages a few hundred times i'd say04:16
NyleDaSkreech: why do you think it sucks?04:16
DaSkreechOKie :)04:16
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DaSkreechThat's all I got :)04:17
NyleDaSkreech: I can give you my reasons for disliking gnome, but kde doesn't suck. If you don't like it, then you suck, how about that.04:17
ardchoilleCan we take the "sucks" chatter to another channel please?04:17
DaSkreechYes please04:17
DaSkreechlike #kde :)04:17
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DaSkreechraccoon: hi Did you know that you are a linux program?04:18
ccoffeyyeah, it should work, but it's not, something up with dmraid not being loaded intially, before the root file system tries to be loaded. i tried adding a delay to initramfs as per : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/83231 , but there was no joy with that04:18
DaSkreechI just found that out a few hours ago04:18
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DaSkreechWhy can't geeks come up with good names?04:18
Nyleis something the matter with you? first you attack kde then when I ask you for reasons why you dislike it, you tell me to take it elsewhere.04:18
Nyleyou have some screwed up thinking DaSkreech04:18
Nylebut whatever, you seem like you get off on having the last word. have at it04:19
DaSkreechI think that you attacked it but in any case do you have a support related question?04:19
NyleI have many04:20
DaSkreechFire away04:20
NyleI don't feel like it anymore.04:20
DaSkreechThat's perfectly alright as well04:20
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ccoffeymy mobo has two sata controllers, both with fake raid, i might give the jmicron a go over the ich7r one, might have more joy with it :( question is, can i easily convert from one to the other, or would i need to rebuild the array04:22
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Nyleits a pos04:22
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ccoffeyyup, but i'm inisitant on getting this fakeraid to work, dual boot-ing. can't beat the load times :)04:23
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Nylethis raid on my mobo using the same chipset literally took the piss of me04:23
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Nylealmost went bald pulling my hair out04:23
existzNyle I feel you04:23
existzbeen dealing with this shit myself04:23
NyleI have a GA 965P S3 mobo04:24
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ExistzAnyone have a geforce 8500 here?04:24
Existzor a Geforce 8 series card?04:24
Nylesame as a DS3 without solid state capacitors, and has the same crappy rain controller04:24
ccoffeyasus p5wdh deluxe here04:24
NyleI have an X1900XTX I bouht last year04:25
ExistzI can't get the 8500 to work04:25
Nyleccoffey: what cpu?04:25
Existzit keeps giving me the no screens found error04:25
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ExistzI read more into it and it seems the kernel module doesn't match up04:25
Nyleccoffey: at what speed?04:25
lightning18who lives here in philippines04:25
Nylelightning18: I think phillipino people live in the phillipines04:26
Nylejust a guess04:26
Existzwhat distro you using rihgt now?04:26
lightning18o yeah?04:26
lightning18youre very right04:26
NyleExistz: umm.. kubuntu?04:26
lightning18why do you live there?04:26
DaSkreechlightning18: Why?04:26
NyleExistz: we are in #kubuntu04:26
Existzdidn't notice the channel name04:26
ccoffeyNyle: stock so far, and i have it since launch, i like my quietness :), i had it at 400fsb for awhile, but i don't do enough to OC really,04:26
NyleExistz: you exist alright, but do you think?04:27
Existzi'm so tired of dealing with this crap04:27
Nyleget it?04:27
Existztalked to several peeps04:27
NyleI think, therefore I am.04:27
DaSkreechNyle: No need to be snide :)04:27
Existzand several peeps are just running in vesa04:27
Existzforget that shit04:27
NyleDaSkreech: dude just leave me alone will ya04:27
Existzi'm not happy with vesa, got an 8500 I want to work04:27
DaSkreechExistz: I'm not sure the drivers that support that have hit the repos04:27
lightning18i du wanna know, how long it takes for my requested CD to go into my dam house04:27
Nylea long time04:28
Nyledon't complain about free stuff04:28
DaSkreechExistz: They should be there for gutsy but till that calms down you may want to check restricted backports04:28
Existzwell it says the 8500 is supported by the newest drivers04:28
Existzanyone want to look at my xorg log and see what's wrong?04:28
Nylepastebin it04:28
DaSkreechExistz: Which are probably not in the Feisty repos. How did you install the drivers?04:28
ccoffeyExistz: did you try envy04:28
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ExistzI just went to nvidia.com/linux04:29
ccoffeyExistz: it's a nice utility i like for doing all the gfx drivers for ya, i'll get you a link now04:29
Existzlooked for the newest drivers04:29
Existzah thanks04:29
NyleI've never installed nvidia on ubuntu04:29
Nyleonly on debian04:29
Existzyeah debian wasn't too hard04:30
Nyleubuntu has some really weird ways of doing this stuff04:30
Nyledebian is easier to use than ubuntu ime04:30
Existzhere's the xorg.conf file04:30
ccoffeyNyle: that's nice04:30
Nyleccoffey: well because I am new to ubuntu04:30
Nyleccoffey: I am already used to debian so I know it04:30
Nyleall in good time04:30
Existzyou know what I had a shitload of problems with04:30
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ccoffeyI had huge issues woth solaris, they use more for man pages for crying outloud04:31
Existzdebian's like the worst starting out as a noob04:31
Nylewhatever dude04:31
Nyledebian is the bomb diggity04:31
Existzfuck, if you don't know windows you sure as hell won't be able to use debian04:31
Existzhad to get everything from scratch04:32
Existzhad to dl apt-get cause it wasn't even installed04:32
NyleExistz: i'd rather build a system myself04:32
NyleExistz: I don't like to let people do it for me04:32
Nylethose -do it for you- -just works- distros and software04:32
NyleI can do without it.  That is why I searched for the ubuntu netinstall04:33
Existzwell you still customize it in the end04:33
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:33
MinatakuNyle: Heh04:33
NyleDaSkreech: what in the ... are you on about?04:33
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MinatakuNyle: You want Gentoo04:33
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DaSkreechNyle: Not you04:33
NyleDaSkreech: get off my back man04:33
Existzwhere's ccoy?04:33
MinatakuOr perhaps even LFS04:33
ubotuYou can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.04:34
ubotu#kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!04:34
MinatakuNyle: It was Existz that was swearing04:34
NyleI don't mind it04:34
Existzwhy you ratting us out Mina04:34
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Nyleyou don't like swearin, you go right ahead and tell him :)04:34
MinatakuOh, I see now04:34
MinatakuYou two are trolls04:35
Existzthere isn't going to be many children on here04:35
ccoffeysome people are offended by bad language04:35
NyleMinataku: thats uncalled for04:35
DaSkreechExistz: really? Which of the 300 people on are not Children?04:35
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Existzno one04:35
ardchoilleExistz: I have an 8 year old niece (kubuntu user) who frequents this channel04:35
Existzthat's you04:35
Existzand you know she's been exposed to porn already04:35
Existzand she goes to school04:35
DaSkreechAnyway if you two want to keep up this conversation you can do it in #kubuntu-offtopic04:36
Existz8 yr olds swear like their mother and fathers04:36
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Existzccoffey got the link?04:36
ccoffeyi pasted it ages ago04:36
Nylemy /etc/network/interfaces has eth0 set to auto, however up on reboot/boot my if is not brought up, and I have to manually bring it up or start /etc/init.d/networking04:36
Existzwhere is it?04:36
Existznever got pasted here04:37
Nylewhy is this happening?04:37
ccoffey7 minutes agp04:37
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Nyleanyone knowledgable enough to help me?04:37
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ccoffeyright, gonna back up my stuff, and try the JMicron JMB363 over the  Intel ICH7R fake raid04:38
NyleDaSkreech: you want to take this one?04:38
Existzdoes ubuntu run .deb files?04:38
ccoffeydpkg -i <.deb>04:39
Existzso what's better the tar.gz or the deb?04:39
DaSkreechNyle: netowrking doesn't start?04:39
Nyleardchoille: what?04:39
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ccoffey.tar.gz is just a zip file, but generally it'll be source code you need to compile04:39
DaSkreechDid you check the logs to see if it failed?04:39
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Existzccoffey, how do I run this?04:40
Existzdo I have to unpack the deb file?04:40
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ardchoilleExistz: You can install a deb with: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb04:41
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facugaichHow can I restart kwin?04:42
Nylefacugaich: where are you right now?04:42
Nylejust run alt+f2 in kde and run box type kwin04:43
Nyleor kill -HUP kwin or something04:43
Existzneed to do all these installs first04:43
NyleDaSkreech: I'm online.  dmesg says nothing of the sort.  Seemingly all fine.  However, I have to manually bring my if up, even though it is set to auto in the interfaces file04:44
Existzsynaptic doesn't have envy04:44
ubotuenvy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!04:44
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Nyleardchoille: I replied to your message.  Kindly check it.04:45
Existzyou sure about that?04:45
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ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots04:45
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Nylefacugaich: did you get kwin restarted?04:46
Existzyou there?04:47
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facugaichNyle: The problem is solved now, I had to restart kde. I asked because I didn't want to close all the programs04:47
ubotuPlease watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.04:49
Nylefacugaich: dcop ksmserver ksmserver savecurrentsession04:49
facugaichNyle: what does that do?04:49
Nylesaves your session04:49
Nylewith all the open apps and all that, change your session manager and make it startup saved sessions instead of last session04:50
Nyleyou can make a button for it on taskbar or panel or something04:50
Nylethen whenver you start kde what you saved will load, with all the apps and how they were all that good stuff04:50
Nyleyou can restart X as many times as you like, all your apps will always load the way they were before you restarted04:51
facugaichNyle: but that will also reload the apps right?04:51
Nyleyou're killing all the x clients04:52
Nyleby killing the server04:52
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facugaichNyle: is there any way to avoid that?04:53
NyleI am not aware of any screen for X04:53
NyleI actually would like to see a screen type software for X04:53
Nyleit would be very handy04:53
MinatakuTry a different WM then04:54
MinatakuI use fluxbox04:54
MinatakuIt's like screen on steroids04:54
Nylewhat does that have anything to do with what we are discussing?04:54
MinatakuConsidering you just asked about screen type software for X04:54
Nyle!info screen04:54
ubotuscreen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.3-0.2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 571 kB, installed size 980 kB04:54
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ubotugrub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto04:55
NyleMinataku: read up.04:55
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Nylea screen for X would be nice.04:55
ccoffeynx is alright04:56
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ccoffeyit's what i used04:56
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Nyleyes, but if you kill X, clients die too.  Connection terminated.04:56
Nylenx can't get around it04:57
ccoffeynever tried tbh04:57
facugaichNyle: The problem I just had was that the title bar for the windows disappeared and the panel was unresponsive (I could right click on it but choosing an item didn't do anything)04:57
Nylekwin shouldn't affect kicker afaik04:57
facugaichNyle: but the title bars are managed by kwin right?04:58
Nylefacugaich: kwin probably crashed04:58
ubuntuHI Hobbsee04:58
Nylefacugaich: yessir04:58
facugaichNyle: yeah, that's why I wanted to restart kwin only04:58
Nylefacugaich: man kill04:59
Hobbseehey ubuntu04:59
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Nyleis all the serious support you only get if you pay for it?05:00
Nylecan't I just get free support in ubuntu?05:00
facugaichNyle: it was already 'dead', but I wasn't able to start it again. I opened a konsole but it didn't respond, and I couldn't do it from the ttys05:01
Nylemy eth0 isn't brought up on boot by networking even though the interfaces file has it set on auto05:01
Nylefacugaich: ouch05:01
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hitmanWillyNyle: yeah, but a support contract looks better to corporate types, and the support staff have nice little pieces of paper that says they're professionals at it :)05:02
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Nyleso what is this channel for05:02
facugaichNyle: isn't there any way to restart it from tty?05:02
Nylefacugaich: yeh, I have to manually bring it up05:02
Nyleit doesn't happen to me in other distros I have running on other boxes here05:02
Nylejust kubuntu05:02
Nyledidn't happen on 6 or 505:02
Nylejust 7/feisty05:03
Nyleits a pain to manually bring it up05:03
facugaichNyle: how do I do that?05:03
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Nylefacugaich: hah, confusing eh05:03
hitmanWillyNyle: for volunteers (like me, I have zero official links to the ubuntu people) to help out people with questions05:03
Nylefacugaich: yes, just go to alt+ctrl+f2 login, and type kwin -display :0 &05:03
Nylefacugaich: or whichever display your X is running on05:04
Nyleecho $DISPLAY05:04
hitmanWillyNyle: sort of like going to your buddy down the street and saying 'hey, how do I do/fix $PROBLEM05:04
facugaichI tried to look for that option... but it didn't appear in kwin --help05:04
NylehitmanWilly: the problem I've noticed in ubuntu is that irc support is really bad.  not that people don't want to help, but that most people are noobs worried about thier own problems and don't have time or knowledge enough to help others05:05
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Nylefacugaich: its not a kwin option05:05
Nyleits an X  client option05:05
hitmanWillyNyle: i guess you get what you pay for ;)05:05
facugaichNyle: oh, ok05:05
Nyleyou can specify any X app to run on any display using -display05:05
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NylehitmanWilly: ever been to debian?05:06
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NylehitmanWilly: I try to help when I can also05:06
hitmanWillyNyle: nope...but several other rooms (#gentoo for one)05:06
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Nylesome people here might think I'm putting down ubuntu but thats their perception I guess05:06
NyleI'm just saying, its a good distro, but it would be nice to have support from knowledgeable people about it05:07
hitmanWillyNyle: ubuntu is a distro geared towards newbies, so it makes sense that most of the users are, well, inexperienced :P05:07
Nyleand imo debian is still king05:07
NylehitmanWilly: well yeh, I completely understand that05:07
NylehitmanWilly: and I'm not downing on anything, I'm just wishing/wanting more05:08
hitmanWillyNyle: ubuntu is basically debian with training wheels05:08
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Nylenot is isn't05:08
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Nyleif it used debian packages then sure.05:08
Nyleit only uses the debian packaging scheme, not actual debian packages it self05:08
Nyleso it has its own bugs and its own thigns, the way it works is different in many ways05:09
NyleI'm still learning, but slowly05:09
DaSkreechStupid power cut05:09
NyleDaSkreech: ups is the word05:09
DaSkreechI have one05:09
Nylethey are cheap these days too05:09
hitmanWillyNyle: well, i like source distros myself, i just use kubuntu on the lappy since i really don't care about performance on it05:09
DaSkreechSurge apparently went went past it on the second power cut05:09
hitmanWillyNyle: and as far as binary distros, slack ftw :P05:10
hitmanWillybut that's just me05:10
Nyledebian is king baby :)05:10
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Nyleoh yeh to each their own05:10
Nylethere is no universal distro, cuz everyone is different05:10
hitmanWillyNyle: i started out on debian back in 9905:11
NyleI started in 9405:11
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Nylewell with debian in 96 actually05:11
hitmanWillyNyle: from there to red hat and slack until recently05:11
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Nylelast redhat i used was 6.205:11
Nyleman that was a long time ago05:11
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NyleI was like 14 years old05:11
Nyleno 1605:12
NyleI can't remember05:12
hitmanWillyway pre-split05:12
devkinetichey guys/gals, sorry for the n00b question, but im trying to extract a tar.bz2 file to my /usr/lib/win32 dir, and i don't know how to do it ark keeps saying permission denied05:12
Nyledevkinetic: you don't have permission05:12
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hitmanWillydevkinetic: you need to have root perms to extract to that dir05:12
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devkinetichow do i give ark root permissions05:13
devkineticso it can do it05:13
Nyledevkinetic: sudo tar jxvf blah.tar.bz2 -C /usr/lib/win3205:13
NyleI think its capital -C05:13
Nylecheck the manpage for tar /-c or /-C05:13
hitmanWillydevkinetic: what Nyle said, just faster on the trigger than me :)05:13
DaSkreechdevkinetic: alt+F2 -> kdesu ark /path/to/targz05:13
Nyleahh yeh05:13
NyleI forgot05:14
Nylethis is a noob distro05:14
allan_guys, my amarok does not load05:14
allan_when I run it, it does not come out05:14
DaSkreechNyle: when they ask noob questions :)05:14
allan_but according to htop, it is running05:14
DaSkreechallan_: run it from the command line and see if it throws any errors05:14
Nyleallan_: is it in your system tray05:14
hitmanWillyallan_: killall amarok, then try to run it again05:14
facugaichguys, newb != noob05:14
allan_not in the systray05:14
Nylefacugaich: same thing diff spelling05:15
allan_there is an error message..05:15
allan_here is the end of it...05:15
allan_Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?05:15
Nylenewbie. new to <insert stuff here>05:15
allan_it is a very long error message05:15
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)05:15
MinatakuUse that05:15
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MinatakuDr_Willis_: :D05:15
facugaichNyle: noob has a more negative meaning05:15
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Nyleyeh whatever man05:16
Dr_Willis_"MS Lemming Zombie" is a positive thing. :)05:16
NyleI don't care about any of that stuff05:16
hitmanWillyNyle: i would disagree, a newb says 'show me how to $SOMETHING', a n00b says 'tell me the fscking cmd'05:16
Nylepeople can take whater meaning they want05:16
DaSkreechfacugaich: In anycase we don't call people either here05:16
Nyleer.. dang ctrl key05:16
DaSkreechThey are free to call themselves that05:16
Dr_Willis_"Tell me exactly in 2 words or less how to install a web server that i can  do what youtube is doing!"05:16
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NyleDr_Willis_: hey man05:17
DaSkreechDr_Willis: Buy stock05:17
devkineticDaSkreech: ok i got it open with that command, but when i go to the extract screen in ark, i can't find my /usr/ folder, its only giving me my home folder and stuff05:17
Nyleahh boy05:17
Nylegod bless the command line05:17
ubotuKubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)05:17
hitmanWillyamen brother05:17
facugaichDaSkreech: I didn't call anyone newb or noob05:18
DaSkreechbad idea05:18
Nylehahaha, like the ms windows stuff.  hide it from users so they can't mess up their system05:18
DaSkreechfacugaich: I know I wasn't saying you did05:18
hitmanWillythey got rid of it in feisty, thank $DEITY05:18
facugaichoh ok05:18
DaSkreechfacugaich: Just saying it's kinda pointless to argue since neither term is welcome here05:18
allan_here you go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29881/05:18
allan_that's my amarok's long error message05:18
devkineticthanks DaSkreech, i knew they were there, haven't used linux i  like 5 years05:18
Nylehold on man05:18
NyleI didn't say anything about negative noob05:19
Dr_Willis_i dont see the big deal over the hidden stuff.. you can always enter the /usr/whatever :)05:19
NyleI just said merely oh hey i forgot this is a noob distro my bad, do the gui way, forget cli05:19
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NyleI didn't mean to say what ya'll are implying I said05:19
hitmanWillyallan_: ok, amarok is already running, just froze up05:19
DaSkreechdevkinetic: can you just type in /usr something?05:19
Nyleamarok is great05:19
hitmanWillyallan_: in konsole: killall amarokapp05:20
NyleI wish you could go back in playlist history until it was blank05:20
DaSkreechNyle: Which ever one helps no worries05:20
NyleDaSkreech: eh?05:20
DaSkreechNyle: he was in ark already so I gave him a ark command05:20
NyleDaSkreech: for some reason I'm never sure what you are talking to me about05:20
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Nyleok cool05:20
DaSkreech if he just asked about tar.gz lord knows i'd introduce the cli05:20
DaSkreechI should make a command called that05:21
DaSkreechand give it a GUI interface :-D05:21
DaSkreech>_< It would so mess up everyone :)05:21
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hitmanWillyDaSkreech: just link it to xterm :)05:21
Nyledcop is awesome05:22
DaSkreechAnd dead :)05:22
allan_I killed amarok and ran it again, but the same thing happened05:23
hitmanWillyallan_: ok, do you see the pid of amarok in htop?05:23
DaSkreechI guess devkinetic got it sorted05:24
allan_and on ksysguard05:24
hitmanWillykill -9 it05:24
Nylehey hitmanWilly check this out05:24
Nyleexcuse the spam for a sec please, pardon05:24
Nylemp3:  Theory in Practice - Colonizing The Sun - The Clockwork That Counts Aeons05:24
allan_here's the new error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29882/05:24
Nylesee now look05:24
Nyleexec - -o echo "mp3:  `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned  amarok player title`"05:24
Nylethats my mp3 alias05:24
Nylei run irssi on a remote server05:25
Nylewhile music plays on here.  if it weren't for dcop i dunno what i woulda done05:25
Nyledcop ftw!05:25
Nylepassworless ssh and dcop man05:26
Nyleyou can make anything happen on a remote machine05:26
Nylewell, not anything, and only with kde05:26
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keeganwhy is it kde themes usually install using a sh script instead of installing via a manager like gnome does?  Is there a good reason for this?05:27
hitmanWillyallan_: ok, try logging out and back in05:27
allan_I did that.. I am now even on GNOME05:27
DaSkreechkeegan: sounds more like a question for #kde05:27
allan_i logged in and out of kubuntu the same thing happened05:27
hitmanWillyallan_: maybe ask in #amarok, this sounds like more of an app issue05:28
keeganDaSckreech: yeaah, but it seemed like no one was there, I am not attacking kde, I am curious05:28
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allan_ok.. maybe, I'll just delete the configuration files if nothing works05:28
hitmanWillyallan_: that won't help here, im pretty sure05:29
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premier_how can I quickly free up some space on my file system?05:29
Nyledelete the pr0n?05:29
allan_okay. how do I go to #amarok? I'm new with this05:30
facugaichI was thinking exactly the same05:30
premier_Nyle: thanks for the help05:30
Nyletype /join #amarok05:30
Nylepremier_: anytime buddy05:30
Nylepremier_: maybe delete temp05:30
Nylepremier_: sudo apt-get clean05:30
premier_Nyle: seriously, I tried apt-get clean, and nothing seem to happen05:30
Nylepremier_: delete stuff from /tmp05:30
Nylepremier_: how much space do you have?05:30
Nyleand what have you installed.  Uninstall stuff you don't need05:30
premier_0 Bytes05:31
Nylesudo apt-get install deborphan && sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan`05:31
premier_and apparently tmp was empty too05:31
premier_Nyle: what does that do?05:31
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allan_there's nobody on #amarok :((05:31
Nyleahh boy05:31
Nylepremier_: why don't you install deborphan and man deborphan05:32
Nyleread :)05:32
Nyle!info deborphan05:32
premier_well, installing and then removing a package sounds like circular *ss kissing... besides, I don't think I have the space05:32
ubotudeborphan: Find orphaned libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.23 (feisty), package size 69 kB, installed size 420 kB05:32
premier_I think I'll just use gparted to fix it05:32
Dr_Willis_installed size 420 kB05:32
Nylepremier_: umm?05:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about synce-kde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:32
Dr_Willis_if you dont have that space... you need to be investing in some more HD..05:32
Nylepremier_: what are you talking about circular kissing05:33
hitmanWillypremier_: how long are you waiting for amarok to start up the first time you run it?05:33
Nyleyou're not installing a package and then removing it05:33
Nylewhat the shiz are you going on about?05:33
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hitmanWillysorry, allan_ see above05:33
facugaichNyle: he's talking about <Nyle> sudo apt-get install deborphan && sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan`05:33
Nylefacugaich: yeh and?05:34
Dr_Willis_apt-get install cowsay fortune05:34
Dr_Willis_fortune | cowsay05:34
premier_I can't say the "a" word on #kubnutu... anyway... how much space should / have? I have a seprate /home partition05:34
Nylewhats wrong with what I said?05:34
facugaichthat it looks as if deborphan is installed and then immediately removed05:34
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facugaich*it looks as if*05:34
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allan_before, amarok ran smoothly, i didnt have to wait05:35
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premier_Nyle: sorry, I though 6Gb was enough05:35
Nylefacugaich: premier_:  it installs deborphan.  then you run apt-get --purge remove on `deborphan` not deborphan05:35
Nylefacugaich: premier_: that runs apt-get remove on the output of deborphan05:35
Nylenot on deborphan it self05:35
Nylethis way you can remove a list of orphaned packages instead of having to type them in manually from the output of running deborphan05:36
Nylethat make any sense yet?05:36
devkinetichey guys thanks for you help again, i got my codecs all installed, but kaffeine still isn't playing my files05:36
facugaich:) I knew there was something else, just didn't know what05:36
NyleI recommend you learn the shell you plan on using :)05:37
devkineticanyone know why kaffeine won't play my video files right, i believe they are xvid05:37
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Nyledevkinetic: kaffeine also uses w32codecs05:37
Nyledevkinetic: do you have w32coedecs installed?05:38
ubotuSeveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs05:38
facugaichNyle: I knew what the `s do, hadn't noticed them05:38
devkineticyes i followed the instructions on they site and extracted them to /usr/lib.win3205:38
Nyledevkinetic: you don't have to extract anything05:38
devkineticsorry . = /05:38
Nyledevkinetic: see what ubotu just said05:39
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devkineticNyle, they were zipped05:39
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Nyledevkinetic: remove what you just unpacked.  then install the package called w32codecs after you add the repository in sources05:39
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Nyledevkinetic: just read the link ubotu just pasted.05:39
Nyledevkinetic: alternately you can wget the package from the repository and dpkg -i it05:40
SlimGHow do I save a mms:// videostream to file? possibly with CLI if possible05:40
Nylemplayer should do it with output to file, I dunno how, but it should be able to05:40
Nyleask in #mplayer or read the manpage05:41
NyleI recommend the latter05:41
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SlimGNyle: Thank you05:42
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devkineticNyle: ok im adding it to sources, which components do i want?05:43
Nyledevkinetic: sudo apt-get install w32codecs05:44
devkineticNyle: thats easier05:44
Nyleand I think it unpacks to /usr/lib/codec05:44
NyleI might be wrong05:44
devkineticdo i have to add it to sources b4 i can run that?05:44
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Nyleyou have to add the mirror05:45
Nyledeb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/ feisty-seveas all05:45
devkineticim still on edgy05:45
Nyleapt-get update && apt-get install w32codecs05:45
Nylewell then i dunno05:45
devkinetici got it :] 05:45
NyleIm new to ubuntu05:45
DaSkreechtry edgy-seveas05:45
devkineticless so than me05:46
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wersmy amarok is working now!05:51
wersI just deleted the configuration files05:51
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wersthis is allan_ by the way :D05:52
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intelikeyhow is "runlevel" normally set ?05:56
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intelikeynot selected   set ?05:57
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intelikeytty1 [root@~]  runlevel05:57
intelikeytty1 [root@~] 05:57
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intelikeyanyone ?05:59
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rich1where is the restricted drivers manager in kubuntu?05:59
ubotuUpstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/05:59
rich1!restricted drivers06:00
rich1and how do i call the bot?06:00
clouderrich1: type sudo restricted-manager I think in konsole06:00
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:01
premier_how much space should I give root?  I have a seperate /home partition for documents, so I only need enough space for OS files... and it seems that 6GB isn't enough06:01
DaSkreechpremier_: I gave it 7 GB06:01
rich1clouder: is it the same one as in ubuntu?  i'm going to reinstall on a new hard drive and want this to be as clean as possible.06:01
hitmanWillyrich1: it isn't installed by default in kubuntu, you have to get it06:01
DaSkreech Unless you have a serious number of people using it each iwth multiple needs that shoudl be god06:01
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats06:01
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rich1DaSkreech: thanks.06:02
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intelikeypremier_ at least 3g06:03
rich1hitmanWilly: thanks.  i just apt searched and got it.06:03
hitmanWillyrich1: generally i prefer the cmd line method myself, but whatever works :)06:04
intelikeyso no one here knows how the runlevel veriable is normally set   assuming it's a variable...   ?06:04
premier_DaSkreech: maybe I'll give it 8GB eh?  Because I have 0 Bytes of free space and I can't even bring up kde... I don't want to have to repartition *again*, eh?06:04
DaSkreechintelikey: It used to be in /etc/inittab06:04
rich1hitmanWilly: yeah. aptitude search rest...06:04
DaSkreechintelikey: Read the upstart docs to see how it's done now06:04
intelikeyDaSkreech no never was.06:04
ubotuBoot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto06:05
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about dude - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:05
DaSkreechpremier_: You haev /home and / on the same partition ?06:05
intelikeyand i'm not using upstart  plus the link you posted had nothing on it.06:05
intelikeynothing on how "runlevel" was set     just to clearify06:05
Minataku!init | intelikey06:05
ubotuintelikey: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto06:05
premier_DaSkreech: no, the opposite... I gave / 6Gb and /home about 70Gb06:06
intelikeyMinataku do you have any idea how it's set ?06:06
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hitmanWillyintelikey: i don't think its a variable, i think 'runlevel' is an app that checks which runlevel the machine is using06:06
intelikeyMinataku is it in /init.d/rc  ?06:06
DaSkreechpremier_: What they heck do you have installed?06:06
intelikeyhitmanWilly yes exactly.  and how is the information it checks, set ?06:06
hitmanWillyintelikey: not sure :(06:07
Minatakuintelikey: Read the links, I think06:07
MinatakuI know on Gentoo, there are scripts in /etc/init.d/06:07
MinatakuAnd... some command is used to muck with them06:07
MinatakuI haven't used it in a while06:07
Minatakurc-update I think06:07
hitmanWillyMinataku: rc-update06:07
MinatakuI was right :D06:08
hitmanWillyMinataku: update-rc.d is its euivalent in buntu06:08
intelikeyMinataku in ubuntu it's update-rc.d  but that has nothing to do whith what i'm asking06:08
premier_DaSkreech: well, I was preparing an install for a usb pen drive, and I forgot that I was putting it in /media (under root)... so that took up about 2GB06:08
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hitmanWillyintelikey: well, where does it call the particular runlevel?06:08
hitmanWillyintelikey: are you using sys V init then?06:09
DaSkreechpremier_: so uninstall OO.o and wine and any useless kernels06:09
Minatakuintelikey: Sorry :P06:09
DaSkreechthat should give you near a half gig of breathing room06:09
intelikeyhitmanWilly no wrote my own.   just didn't allow for "runlevel"    so let me post one more time...06:09
MinatakuI successfully built a FreeBSD kernel today :D06:09
intelikeytty1 [root@~]  runlevel06:09
intelikeytty1 [root@~] 06:09
Minatakuintelikey: If you wrote your own init, then you should know06:10
intelikeythat's what i get  ^   should be     906:10
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MinatakuThough why you'd write your own under *buntu confounds me06:10
MinatakuReally, the only place I could see a custom init is LFS06:10
hitmanWillyMinataku: this IS intelikey you're talking about here, tho :)06:11
MinatakuTrue XD06:11
intelikeyMinataku cause i have ubuntu form scratch  i guess...06:11
qlrmy question is, can i install kubuntu on a (nvidia) raid0 array?06:11
Minatakuqlr: Is it supported?06:11
MinatakuIf yes, then yes06:11
MinatakuIf no, then no06:11
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hitmanWillyqlr: if its hardware raid, then probably06:11
MinatakuWait... isn't RAID0 useless-RAID?06:11
qlrMinataku: i don't know, how do i find out?06:11
MinatakuIf it offers no redundancy, it's not RAID06:12
MinatakuIt's trash06:12
MinatakuIt's also incredibly dangerous06:12
qlrhitmanWilly: it's hardware raid, i managed to install xp there, but vista has no drivers yet....06:12
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MinatakuConsidering a failure of one HDD in a no-redundancy stripe means EVERYTHING is trashed06:12
premier_how can I move an entire directory structure from the commandline?  I want to move /media/portcompy and all its contents to /home/level1/portcompy... btw, Its on another partition06:12
ubotuRaid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO06:13
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premier_Minataku: whats the mean time to failure on typical hardware, do you know?06:13
MinatakuBut there's your link06:13
hitmanWillypremier_: the --recursive flag06:13
intelikeypremier_ mv /media/portcompy /dest/06:13
qlrMinataku: it is fast as hell, 2x80 seagate 7200.10 disks, i don't store anything there only windows, program files and some games06:13
premier_Minataku: for raid zero, that is?06:13
Minatakupremier_: It's better to do it per drive06:13
MinatakuAnd there's two values to consider06:13
DaSkreechpremier_: mv  /media/portcompy /home/level1/06:13
MinatakuIMR and MTBF06:14
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MinatakuInfant Mortality Rate is the first one, and it's from 0sec to about 1mo06:14
Dr_Willis_"Mean Time Between Failures" - The after you Fail Your Biology Midterm, and take it out on your dog........06:14
MinatakuAfter that, I'd typically give them, oh, 5 to 10 years06:14
rich1will kubuntu install bcm43xx firmware when i install fwcutter?06:14
MinatakuFor harddrives, I'll be more conservative and say 3 to 706:15
Dr_Willis_Google - had some Info on Their hard drive failure rates.. it was sort of intereesting read.06:15
Minatakurich1: It might06:15
Dr_Willis_rich1:  it did for me.06:15
rich1should i install restricted-manager first?06:15
MinatakuAs for brand failure possibility, they all fail at more or less the same rates and percentages06:15
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MinatakuI've heard bad things about all the HDD makers in equal quantities :306:15
Minatakuintelikey: My Toshiba T1200 has a 20MB HDD06:15
MinatakuStill works perfectly06:16
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MinatakuAnd it's from 198706:16
premier_what does "mv: inter-device move failed; unable to remove target: Is a directory" mean?06:16
qlrMinataku: i would like to point out that Maxtor is the worst, died a 80gig hard after 83 dayz....06:16
Minatakupremier_: You're trying to move a file from one device to another but the source is a directory06:16
Minatakuqlr: That's IMR, and they all have that possibilty06:16
premier_Minataku: so how do I move a file?06:16
intelikeyyeah i have two from mid 80's but can't say flawless.  had to low level them both over the past 22 years they have been in service06:16
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intelikeyone's 42m the other 33 m06:17
Minatakupremier_: Don't move a file from one device to another device where there's a directory with the same name06:17
qlrMinataku: they all have, but maxtors is the biggest....06:17
Dr_Willis_premier_:  could just cheat and use 'mc' :)06:17
MinatakuLike I said, there's two periods where hardware is prone to fail06:17
MinatakuWithin a month or two out of the box06:17
MinatakuAnd after several years06:17
MinatakuAnd that's both electromechanical and solid-state06:18
Dr_Willis_and after the kids put it in the dishwasher. :)06:18
MinatakuDr_Willis_: Extenuating circumstances ;306:18
MinatakuSo, Dr_Willis_... where are my Amigas? XD06:18
DaSkreechpremier_: mv  /media/portcompy /home/level1/06:18
qlrthen probably i will buy another hard, and put it into raid5....06:18
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intelikeydr_willis or you have tstorms knock out all appliances in the house...06:19
Dr_Willis_Minataku:  no idea yet ;) been cleanign the basement.06:19
MinatakuIf that still gives you trouble, premier_, make it mv /media/portcompy /home/level1/portcompy06:19
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MinatakuDr_Willis_: Heehee... find anything good down there?06:19
Dr_Willis_heh. still got the guests..06:19
MinatakuBuncha freeloaders06:19
Dr_Willis_Kid wanted to watch 'batman' - SO i found "BatThumb"06:19
Dr_Willis_Minataku:  Yep.. they are retired.. so they can spend the MONTH.06:19
Dr_Willis_and then some06:19
MinatakuSucks >.<06:19
Dr_Willis_Wife asked me if id seen batthumb..  Is it safe for kids.. heh ?06:20
MinatakuIf you can, try to make some time to get those Amigas out... please? XD06:20
Dr_Willis_Ive never seen it  got it for $2 at a rummage sale06:20
premier_does mv delete the source when it finishes?06:20
intelikeyDr_Willis_  yeah. but you only have one wife right ?    you're still a batchular06:20
Minatakupremier_: Yes06:20
MinatakuBachelors are unmarried06:20
MinatakuTypically specific to never-married males06:20
Dr_Willis_Minataku:  been wantint to copy stuff over from the amigas to my pc for my Emulator ussage.. but havent even had time for that.   I got one amiga that i know works.. gotta test out the other 2. Im sure they both work.06:21
Dr_Willis_Got a CD32 +SX1 thats an amiga+cdrom :)  it works.. but cant find the PS.06:21
DaSkreechMinataku: what are never once married males called?06:21
MinatakuDr_Willis_: Ah, well, you said you'd send all three, but yeah, go ahead and dump them first06:21
MinatakuDaSkreech: Bachelors06:21
Dr_Willis_I gotta see about gettting Linux to read my amiga hard drives. :)06:21
hitmanWillyDr_Willis_: im assuming you mean the kickstart image?06:21
MinatakuIf you were married and divorced, then you're still a bachelor, too06:21
Dr_Willis_hitmanWilly:  Allreay got that. got a lot of other game/disks and stuff to transfer over.06:21
MinatakuIf your wife died, then you're a widower06:22
Dr_Willis_If your wife died, then you're a  ... wait.. i wont go there...06:22
MinatakuA free man? XD06:22
MinatakuLucky? X306:22
Dr_Willis_Lucky? Free? Prime Suspect?06:22
MinatakuThere's thousands of off-color answers to fill in06:22
MinatakuHaha, that's a good one06:22
premier_is there anything for kde/ubuntu/linux/whatever that can warn me when my drives are filling up?  a dialog box saying "hey! you getting kinda tight here aren't you?"06:23
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MinatakuGood question06:23
Dr_Willis_premier_:  i think thers some karamba/superkaramba applets. and perhaps a Panel applet.06:23
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MinatakuYou notice that when people say things like "Good question"... it's because they can't answer it? ;306:23
Dr_Willis_with 500GB HD's in the $100 range. now. :) i havent had much space issues latly06:23
intelikeymandrake had fs full warning  years ago  i'm sure there is.06:24
premier_It'd be nice if there was a daemon... I'll just write one06:24
MinatakuMake sure that at least the root drive has it's reserved area06:24
MinatakuReserved for root, that is06:24
premier_Dr_Willis_: yeah, but this is in a laptop, kinda hard to swap out the hard drives and laptop hdds are $$$06:24
MinatakuAfter that, you may have to account for it in the script06:24
premier_Minataku: actually, thats the problem06:24
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Dr_Willis_wmmount - miniature mount utility and free space monitoring tool06:25
Minatakupremier_: A drive running 100% out of space even for root is VERY BAD NEWS06:25
Dr_Willis_Time to clean out the porn! :)06:25
intelikeyMinataku may i ask, have you ever experimented with full fs's ?06:25
MinatakuIt'll usually break EVERYTHING06:25
Dr_Willis_Speaking of which.... nah..  i wont start..06:25
Minatakuintelikey: No, but I've seen plenty of issues caused by one06:25
hitmanWillyDr_Willis_: do wm dock apps even run under kde?06:25
Dr_Willis_hitmanWilly:  you can add a wmdock panel just for them06:26
premier_yeah, I had 0 Bytes left... kde wouldn't boot, apt wouldn't run, I couldn't even access man pages06:26
intelikeyMinataku hmm well i have filled the hd many times.  never caused any problems really06:26
Dr_Willis_One reason id MUCH perfer to see more dockapps/panelapps then Gdesklet/karamba applets06:26
Minatakuintelikey: You probably had the root-reserve06:26
MinatakuIt's placed by default06:26
intelikeyMinataku and that with 0% reserved06:26
hitmanWillyhmmm, that's cool06:26
MinatakuWhen you mkfs06:26
Dr_Willis_Thats becayse you are just sooooooooo cooool intelikey06:26
hitmanWillywell, i suppose it makes sense since i know you can run kicker on top of wm06:26
Dr_Willis_Our Hero!06:27
herono, that's me06:27
Dr_Willis_Our OTHER hero!06:27
Minatakuintelikey: You probably had some key mounts on other partitions06:27
premier_I never changed root-reserve (or whatever) and it still happened to me... maybe because I was doing it as root?06:27
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MinatakuI'm talking a two or three partition system06:27
intelikeyDr_Willis_   heh.  just like to debunch the fluff06:27
Minatakuroot and swap or boot, root and swap06:27
premier_actually, I couldn't run "sudo shutdown now" because I had so little space06:27
heroDr_Willis_: you'd be surprised how often that highlight is triggered. i should have thought twice about this nick.06:28
Minatakuintelikey: Debunking and potentially leading people into dangerous situations are two far different things06:28
intelikeyMinataku 0 partitions.   no swap.   0% reserved.   that's how i've come to always set one up06:28
MinatakuFact is, you do NOT want to run low on space on /06:28
hitmanWillyhero: tack _sandwich at the end :)06:28
Minatakuintelikey: Yes, well, you're an idiot, too06:28
herohitmanWilly: haha06:28
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MinatakuI would never suggest ANYONE follow such bad advice06:28
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intelikeyyeah.   provavly so.   point being that reserved space is not needed for a desktop system06:29
premier_hero_sandwich= worst name ever06:29
DaSkreechMinataku: No I've said Good question for something I can answer I was just glad the person was astute enough to see the need for the question06:29
MinatakuDaSkreech: That's the other situation06:29
hitmanWillyyeah, but i bet no one has it :)06:29
MinatakuBut typically it's because they can't answer it06:29
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premier_uh oh... now X wont run... I have 900MB of free space!06:29
MinatakuDr_Willis_: That would be so retarded06:30
premier_I can get to kdm, but if I try to log in it crashes06:30
Dr_Willis_Minataku:  yet i see it asked about all the time.06:30
intelikeyDaSkreech good answer  :)06:30
Dr_Willis_Minataku:  on the amiga. i could copy a floppy to the RAD: disk, then boot off the RAD: disk. :)06:30
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Dr_Willis_Rad Disk - Ram disk that survived reboots.06:31
MinatakuThe Toshiba T1200 has a hardware RAMdisk too06:31
MinatakuIt's got 1MB of RAM, but I've never managed to get any more than 640k working in DOS06:31
Dr_Willis_seeing these new laptops with 1 gb 'readyboost' thing for Vista. ya could put a whole Linux disrto in them.06:31
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MinatakuThe upper space is either usable for... something or as a RAMdisk through hardware06:31
Dr_Willis_wonder how well that would work.06:31
MinatakuAs long as there's power, the RAMdisk will hold data06:32
hitmanWillyDr_Willis_: is that like the turbo button on old desktops?06:32
intelikeyDr_Willis_   good question06:32
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Dr_Willis_hitmanWilly:  :) the 'slow down bards tale so its playable button' :)06:32
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DaSkreechintelikey: heehee06:32
Minatakuintelikey: I'd ask if you like being an ass, but everybody knows that it's fun to be an ass06:32
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intelikeyMinataku no i was serious.  linux all in ram sounds like a plan06:33
Dr_Willis_Night all.. im a TiredAss.06:33
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Dr_Willis_intelikey:  its not really 'ram' - its like some sort of USB-Meomory Stick built into the MB.06:33
Minatakuintelikey: It's more or less called a LiveCD06:33
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Dr_Willis_Wonder if it has a limited lifespan like other flashmedia06:33
MinatakuAll Flash has limited rewrite06:34
MinatakuIt's getting longer, but still06:34
premier_hey, when I try to login in from kdm, I get a flash (like X restarting) and then I just see the kdm screen again (X restarted?) what do I do?06:34
hitmanWillyDr_Willis_: i think its that hybrid ram/flash thing ive heard about06:34
intelikeyMinataku no.  live CD's generally keep reading from the cd which makes them incredably slow.06:34
Dr_Willis_BUt its only in a few laptops at this time..    so ive not seen one.06:34
Minatakuintelikey: Some have the option to copy entirely to a RAMdisk06:34
Dr_Willis_I have seen little 'usb thimb drives' that you plug directly into the USB header on a motherboard.06:34
intelikeyMinataku there are a few that can load all in ram.  yes.06:34
Dr_Willis_well night all.06:34
premier_does anyone have any ideas?  like which log I should look at or something?  I'm freaking out here!06:35
Minatakuintelikey: Sorry, BTW, I'm a bit cranky ATM XD06:35
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DaSkreechpremier_: ~/.xsessionerrors06:35
MinatakuCrap... I'll bbiab06:35
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premier_DaSkreech: no such file06:36
hitmanWillypremier_: xorg.0.log IIRC06:36
hitmanWillypremier_: or .1.log06:36
premier_also, why do the people who make bash think that I need a loud beep when I reach the end of a line?06:36
DaSkreechpremier_: yeah there is ~/.xsession-errors ?06:36
Nylemine is like 80mb06:37
intelikeypremier_ kill kdm   and login into the console and run   startx   so you can see what it does06:37
NyleI should delete it06:37
DaSkreechpremier_: cause it lets you know youare at the end of the line06:37
DaSkreechNyle: You don't run logrotate?06:37
Nylei like it all in one place06:38
DaSkreechNyle: Maybe it's time :)06:38
premier_DaSkreech: well, I don't need to have my ears blown out to know that06:38
intelikeypremier_  end of a line   beep ???06:38
premier_its very loud, its why I don't use the command line06:38
DaSkreechpremier_: ah that would be you MB manufacturer06:38
DaSkreechMine is muted to the point where I'm considering a visual bell06:38
hitmanWillypremier_: just disable the pc speaker in the bios06:39
intelikeysudo modprobe -r pcspeaker06:39
premier_intelikey: yeah, if you delete all the text in a line, or try to go before the begining, or try to go to the end of a "more" list06:39
premier_won't that break my laptop speakers?  its a laptop06:39
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premier_I get a bunch of stuff like "cannot open divece /dev/input/wacom"  (this is on startx06:40
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premier_and it says stuff about fonts06:40
intelikeypremier_ that's standard warning tone.     either remove the module or set the tone.06:40
hitmanWillypremier_: that's normal06:40
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hitmanWillypremier_: unless you have a wacom tablet :)06:41
DaSkreechwhich is not normal06:41
premier_Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc06:41
intelikeypremier_ try this.    setterm -bfreq 44006:42
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premier_the last line is "FreeFontPath: FPE "usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.06:42
premier_thats it06:42
intelikeyand test the standard warning tone06:42
premier_its lower, but its still a little annoying06:42
premier_can't s06:43
intelikeyset to 0  for off06:43
premier_can't I set the duration to 0?06:43
intelikeyor 1  1 works well06:43
hitmanWillyintelikey: or he could set it beyond the human aural capacity :)06:43
premier_okay, seriously guys, how do I fix my X?  I don't understand why it would decide to stop working like this06:44
hitmanWillytho i doubt it'd go that high...06:44
intelikeyhitmanWilly lappy   yeah i think so.06:44
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hitmanWillybe some pissed off dogs :P06:45
MarcC-awaypremier_, I just got here, but what's up?06:45
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intelikeypremier_ no E  error lines in the output ?06:45
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ardchoillepremier_: Anything in ~/.xsession=errors?06:46
premier_intelikey: well, yeah the ones about wacom tablets... there may be some above the top of the screen but I can't see them, and I don't think I can divert them to a file since they're error output06:46
intelikeyMarcC dead desktop environment,      is what i gather.     xorg is working.06:46
intelikeypremier_ is that from startx  ?06:47
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hitmanWillylater all06:47
intelikeypremier_ or you still looking in ~/.files06:47
premier_intelikey: yeah06:47
premier_I'm looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log now...06:48
intelikeyit's not likely to be there,   try running startx06:48
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intelikeythere is nothing wrong with x06:48
intelikeyit's your user session06:48
premier_AIGLX complains about something and says that it reverts to software rendering06:48
premier_intelikey: shouldn't I be able to run a different desktop environment?  I tried gnome, xgl, a few other things to06:49
MarcCpremier_, you can change "aiglx" to "vesa" and try startx06:49
MarcCin xorg.conf that is06:49
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NyleMarcC: what are you talking about?06:49
Nyleaiglx is not a video driver afaik06:50
intelikeywell.  if xorg was hosed you wouldn't have the kdm login prompt06:50
MarcCdoh,I'm too late to the conversation...and I was thinking fglrx for some reason :P06:50
premier_god damn it... fglrx won't let me switch from a console to kdm once kdm is already running06:51
premier_I hate ati so much06:51
Nyletty2 == alt + ctrl+ f206:51
premier_Nyle: yeah, I know that much06:51
intelikeyMarcC any clue what sets the 'runlevel' variable  in normal sysv ?   is it in a script in /etc/init.d/  ?06:51
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Nylepremier_: and you can't get to console from there?06:51
Nyleusing tha06:52
premier_Nyle: but kdm runs of tty7, right?  I can't switch to tty7 from the console... there isn't a video driver that will run on my machine that will let me06:52
premier_Nyle: what?06:52
MarcCintelikey, I'm thinking /etc/inittab for some reason06:52
premier_Nyle: If I'm in an x session I can't go to a terminal session.  If I'm in a terminal session I can't go to an X session06:53
NyleNyle: premier_ video drivers have ntohing to do with it06:53
intelikeyMarcC nah  it only selects a default runlevel   doesn't have anything to do with setting the varible06:53
premier_it just doesn't go06:53
Nylepremier_: yes you can06:53
premier_Nyle: do you use fglrx?06:53
premier_well, you must have some magical version that I can't get06:53
intelikeyi'll find a copy of the sysv scripts and have a look.06:53
Nylewell why don't you start xterm under X and type sudo chvt 206:53
Nylesee what the output or outcome is06:54
premier_because I'm in tty3, I can move to tty2 and tty5 and tty1, but not tty706:54
Nyleusing alt+ctrl+f7?06:54
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MarcCpremier_, what happens if you type startx now?06:54
NyleMarcC: it will spawn another Xserver on display :x+106:55
Nyleif one is currently running06:55
premier_Nyle: yeah, I can go to a blank screen with a cursor with chvt 7... but I can't do it with alt-ctrl-f706:55
Nyleyou should be able to06:55
MarcCwell, if there is an X problem with fglrx and another problem with runlevels, I'd change xorg.conf to use vesa for now, just to get that out of the way06:55
MarcCI'm late to the party06:55
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intelikeyMarcC the two are not related.    his is x related.  my Q was about runlevel variable.   not related.06:56
MarcCok, thanks06:57
premier_okay, running X as root (sudo startx) logged me into gnome06:57
intelikeydon't tell me you did that...06:58
intelikeywon your home.06:58
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intelikeykill the gui and    sudo chown `whoami`:$HOME -R06:59
intelikeythen startx    without sudo06:59
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intelikeyheh s/won/own/07:01
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arunHey people07:02
intelikeywhere ?07:02
arunHow do I set KOffice to be my default Office suite? I don't want to open things with OpenOffice07:02
intelikeyis that an alternative ?07:03
DaSkreechI just got rid of OO.o07:03
arunDaSkreech: I'm thinking of doing the same. I don't really need it, right? It doesn't work very well on my computer, and I really like KOffice07:03
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DaSkreecharun: Nope as long as you aren't doing presentations07:05
DaSkreechKpresenter is kinda weak07:05
DaSkreechhi nikkiana07:05
nikkianahi DaSkreech07:05
DaSkreechnikkiana: Hoare you?07:06
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arunDaSkreech: No presentations. By the way, KSpread is so cool! I just worked with it, much better than Excel in my opinion07:06
arunAs in, for my uses07:06
arunThe pre-installed templates are great07:06
DaSkreechpretty good07:07
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arunDaSkreech: KPresenter no good?07:08
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DaSkreechDesperatle needs some love07:08
arunWhy so?07:08
ShockValuesweetness, i finally got fglrx going right.07:08
DaSkreech and a mate07:08
arunwhat's wrong withit?07:09
DaSkreech and Emil07:09
MarcCwhat's that cool presentations program that inputs PDFs?07:09
MarcCah, keyjnote07:09
MarcCthat one is pretty slick07:09
arunThat's just for OS X, right?07:10
MarcCno, not Keynote, KeyJNote07:10
MarcCtwo different programs07:10
premier_intelikey: I moved a file I was preparing to install into /home... and some of the files were owned by root  (it was a debootstrap install into a directory)  anyway, would that really cause me not to be able to log in to kde?07:10
arunOh, I didn't know07:10
MarcCone is for OS X, the other one is cool07:10
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MarcCthat's the one07:11
intelikeypremier_ using sudo startx  will probably hose the ownership on several files     and yes that will make it fail for user login07:11
arunI might have to move all my stuff to a new computer soon, is it possible to move all my settings and files to another computer? As in font settings, window decoration settings, styles, icons, etc etc07:11
premier_intelikey: are you sure?  I don't really understand that... my home is owned anyway07:12
MarcCsure, that's why people keep /home on a separate partition07:12
dsmithkeynote kicks butt07:12
intelikeypremier_ maybe  :)07:12
NyleI can't breath through my nose, and my head hurts :(07:13
dsmithooops keyjnote, correction07:13
arunMarcC: mine isn't on a separate partition07:13
MarcCarun, right, I'm just saying people do that to keep it portable...but yes, I've seen other people just transfer /home and it seems to work fine07:14
intelikeypremier_ in the future if you want to startx as root  use   sudo -i   then issue startx from that shell.07:14
dsmithNyle: I suggest climbing to about 25000 AGL and do a quick emergency depressurization, that surely would clean out your sinuses... :P07:14
Nylearun: try to keep it there.  Then when you change distros to screw your system up or reinstall, your home will be unaffected while you chill out and just mount that partition as /home07:14
arunMarcC: so i just need to back up /home and move it to the new computer?07:14
Nyledsmith: oh man, I wish I could07:14
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MarcCarun, read this07:14
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arunThanks MarcC07:15
MarcCyou might see some weird stuff, but it'll be way nicer than starting from scratch07:15
Nylehey if you spell your nick backwaards like Nura its kinda like mine07:15
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intelikeypremier_ also be careful not to use sudo on gui apps.  use the respective alternative for the env.   gksudo or kdesu   and so forth07:15
Nyleintelikey: why/07:15
dsmithNyle: sometimes, i can drain my sinuses by breathing in through my nose real hard.07:15
premier_why does sudo shutdown now send me back to the command line?07:15
devkinetichey everyone, i meed some help getting my video files to play, i already got the win32 codecs, but kaffeine just plays 15 secionds of a black screen with no sound07:15
Nyledsmith: that hurts the back of my neck07:15
intelikeyNyle cause you don't want root owning things in your home dir.07:15
Nylefor some reason07:15
premier_intelikey: I just figured because kdm is root, and startx was failing, that sudo startx would work07:16
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intelikeypremier_ yes but you were looking for why you couldn't login, not for how to make it worse.07:16
devkineticshutdown -f ?07:16
DaSkreech!info keyjnote07:17
arunMarcC: If I move the other folders in /home as well, will the settings for various programs be saved as well? as in, my firefox/thunderbird profile, etc. if i just move it to the new computer and then install firefox, will my settings remain intact?07:17
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MarcCarun, yes welcome to the dark side >:] 07:17
arunMarcC: excellent07:18
arun<evil laugh>07:18
CS5Hi, anybody available to help me mount my NTFS partition?07:18
arunCSS: Shouldn't it be mounted automatically?07:18
devkineticyeah it picked up mine07:18
MarcCarun, the only exception would be newer software releases that have changed config file formats, but a worst case scenario would be an app that didn't pick up your old config.07:18
arunDaSkreech: I checked out KeyJNote.. I was like whaaa? I have to run this from the command line? And then I found KeyJNoteGUI07:18
arunMarcC: alright, thanks a lot07:19
devkineticanyone have some info for my video file trouble07:19
arunMarcC: I am planning to get a laptop, which one would you recommend?07:19
intelikeypremier_ also just of passing interest.   X always runs as root.  even if a user just issues X  or Xorg   or startx     but it's designed to use the users perms and env  so if you start X from a users home with root perms you confuse an already convoluted mess07:19
arunI want to be able to run Kubuntu properly, and use wifi, etc07:19
arunI also use VMWare/Windows to test pages in Internet explorer and to work on photoshop, etc07:20
MarcCarun, I just picked up an ubuntu Dell and I've been quite happy with it (changed it to Kubuntu of course)...with the $500 off coupon I was able to max it out easily07:20
ShockValuewhats the easiest way to see what packages are currently isntalled on your machine, and uninstall some of them?07:20
arunMarcC: I don't think you get a Ubuntu Dell here in Bombay07:20
intelikeyShockValue dpkg -l | less07:20
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MarcCarun, ah...they have announced worldwide sales but probably not yet...anyway, Asus and Lenovo laptops are brands I've heard good things about.07:21
arunMarcC: I was considering getting a Mac just for parallels, but then I found VMWare and I'm happy. Also I was labouring under the delusion that parallels is free07:21
intelikeyShockValue the  ii  packages   are installed   any  rc  or pc  are removed but their configs are still present07:21
arunMarcC: what about HP?07:21
MarcCarun, I don't have any info about HP laptops, sorry :(07:21
ShockValuecool thanks, ill give that a go07:21
premier_intelikey: if startx always runs as root, why can I run startx without entering a password?07:21
devkineticarun, check out the dell laptops07:22
intelikeypremier_ caues it's SUID07:22
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devkinetichey everyone, i meed some help getting my video files to play, i already got the win32 codecs, but kaffeine just plays 15 secionds of a black screen with no sound07:22
DaSkreechdevkinetic: what kind of files are they?07:23
jredburnWhat files determine the path for when I run sudo? I have a command in a local path that I can find when I run normally, but not via sudo07:23
MarcCooh, Dell just updated their software repos07:23
intelikeypremier_ mount is SUID also.  as are many apps/commands on your system.07:23
premier_how do I log into a root kde session with kdm?07:23
devkineticavi, xvid i believe07:23
DaSkreech!codecs | devkinetic07:23
intelikeypremier_ can't unless you configure kdm to accept root login07:23
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intelikeyubotu wake up07:23
DaSkreechdevkinetic: install libxine-extracodecs07:23
otaku-sanhmm bots acting up again...07:24
devkinetici got the win 32 codecs07:24
premier_intelikey: well, how do I force it to?07:24
arunMarcC, devkinetic: Alright, will check out Dell. Any model in particular, or should it work well with any Dell laptop? Also, do Dell laptops come with ATI or nVidia video cards? Do they have dual core processors? (Sorry if I'm asking too many questions :)07:24
intelikeypremier_ can't unless you configure kdm to accept root login07:24
premier_intelikey: well, how do I force it to?07:24
devkineticarun, check out the website www.dell.com07:24
premier_how do I configure it to?07:24
intelikeypremier_ we seem to be at an impass.07:24
otaku-sandevkinetic: there are other codecs...just check out the libxine-extracodecs07:24
DaSkreechdevkinetic: did you install libxine-extracodecs ?07:24
devkineticotaka-san: i just paste that to adept/07:25
intelikeypremier_ ok.   you edit /etc/kde?/kdm/kdm.conf    i think is the location07:25
MarcCarun, my dell is a T7200 dual core with an nvidia geforce go...it came with linux preinstalled, but I don't know about the non-linux models (mine is the E1505n)07:25
jredburnhow do I add /opt/myprog/bin to my path for sudo?07:25
premier_intelikey: I'm sorry, I'm not in a good mood... usually when something like X breaks its my fault, but I'd pretty sure I didn't do anything this time07:25
premier_and once I go to a console window, because thats the only thing that works, I can't go back without a reboot07:25
intelikeypremier_ lets try something right quick shall we...    sudo adduser blah    then on reboot login as blah.07:26
otaku-sandevkinetic: I did this a long time ago...and I haven't used adept in a while..if I'm not mistaken you are going to have to change your list that tells adept what servers to go to07:27
arunMarcC: No linux for india, it comes with Vista. Blech07:27
otaku-sanand put a new one on there that goes to a server with the codec on it07:27
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MarcCarun, well, at least on the 1505 and other linux models, you know the hardware will work in Linux :)07:28
intelikeypremier_ if that works.  my theory is correct. you have hosed permissions in your home dir   or a config file that is scrambling something   one of the two.    either way if that fails then it's a real mess and would take an act of parlement to correct07:28
MarcCyou just have to pay $50 extra (at least in the US) for Vista07:28
otaku-sandevkinetic: let me get you a link I think I have on this07:28
devkineticotaka-san: i turned on all the repos, im searching right now07:29
arunMarcC: There is no E1505n available in India. The only model here as far as I can see from the Web site with nvidia geforce and dual core processor is XPS  M1330. But that has a tiny 13.3 inch screen. The others have 15.4 inch screens but low end video cards and processors07:30
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intelikeypremier_ if that test is successful you can simply copy everything from your home to blah's home and rm everything in your home and login as you, then copy from blah back to you.07:30
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats07:30
ubotuIn KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo07:30
devkineticotaka-san: i found libxine-extracodecs07:30
ubotudevkinetic: please see above07:30
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:30
otaku-sandevkinetic: cool07:30
intelikeyhi ubotu glad you could join us07:30
arunMarcC: brb07:31
ShockValuehrm.. im trying to give my user full access to my NFS share.. root can mount it, but the user cant access it.. the export line looks like this: /media,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,rw)07:31
ShockValuewhat am i missing here?07:31
otaku-sanya....I was about to say the same thing intelikey07:31
devkineticotaka-san: so after i install this when i fire up kaffeine it should just work or do i have to do anything?07:31
premier_intelikey: the add user thing didn't help07:31
premier_its still crashing07:31
intelikeypremier_ for the new user it crashes ?07:32
premier_why do I find it interesting that I can run gnome as root?07:32
premier_intelikey: yeah07:32
intelikeypremier_ that's not good.07:32
intelikeypremier_ that's very bad,07:33
otaku-sandevkinetic: it's just a lib...so it should just work out of box.  Go ahead and look this over a bit before you step forward.  Just translate some of the Gnome apps to KDE and you'll do good.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats07:33
premier_I needed the encoragement07:33
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premier_intelikey: do you have any ideas?  you wanna telenet into my computer, would that help?07:34
intelikeypremier_ sorry,  some times your house burns up, some times your house burns down...     but that's very bad when a new user account can't login and root can run the gui...07:35
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otaku-sanhope I helped a little devkinetic07:35
premier_why is that so bad... what does it mean?07:35
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premier_root *can* run the gui, right?07:35
devkineticotaka-san: even if it doesn't work i'll be hopefully 1 step closer07:35
intelikeypremier_ do i want to try to fix it for you....  not really...07:36
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premier_well, I don't know how to fix it myself07:36
otaku-sandevkinetic: it's mostly finding the right codec...checking if adept has a server with it on it...and sudo apt-get installing the lib07:36
intelikeypremier_ yes   but running the gui as root is like using windows with no firewall and no antivirus...  ya just don't want to do that.07:36
devkineticotaka-san: WOOOO thank you, now i can watch all my stargate sg1 files on her07:37
intelikeypremier_ try logging in as the new user with the gnome session07:37
premier_intelikey: a windows computer running without a firewall or antivirus will actually run okay for a while07:37
otaku-sandevkinetic: haha glad to help you there.  Stargate...very cool07:37
DaSkreechdevkinetic: worked?07:38
devkineticotaka-san: yeah, these particuar files were a bit(you know the rest) to get going on windows07:38
premier_intelikey: how do I run a gnome session under the new user?07:38
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intelikeypremier_ yeah and you can run as root ok for a while.... the lienght of time may very tho07:38
devkineticotaka-san: yeah i got it07:38
intelikeypremier_ select the session at the login prompt07:38
premier_remember that once I go to console window I cant go back07:38
arunwill kubuntu work with an nvidia quadro card?07:38
devkineticotaka-san: i just had no idea about codecs and linux, much simpler on here cuz they don't interfere with eacother07:39
intelikeypremier_ no no.  not from console.  from kdm07:39
otaku-sanDaSkreech: ya leaving man?  Night there07:39
premier_intelikey: I can't run gnome from kdm with any user... it crashes just like everything else07:39
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intelikeypremier_ ok select an x terminal and type in    startkde07:39
otaku-sandevkinetic: well Ubuntu is more for the free codecs...restricted ones like the ones you want...well you'll hit some resistance.07:40
devkineticotaka-san: on widnows it was a combo of the v4 divx codec pack, the newest xvid pack, and ffdshow with ac307:40
premier_intelikey: what do you mean select an x termian?07:40
intelikeypremier_ in the sessions list in kdm07:40
premier_intelikey: theres no such option... theres a "failsafe" option that crashes like everything else07:40
devkineticotaka-san: yeah, but with a little work, and some help on irc, its easy to get pretty much all of them07:41
otaku-sandevkinetic: wait...you were trying to watch this on windows...and it wasn't playing?07:41
intelikeypremier_ ok...  let me think a minute.07:41
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arunWould you guys recommend an ATI or nVidia card for a new computer07:42
devkineticotaka-san: well when i was trying to get them going on windows it actually took me a few days becuase my codec packs were interfereing with eachother, and i had to find a good mix of about 5 codec packs to get it going good07:42
premier_arun: are you kidding?07:42
intelikeypremier_ this thing has both kdm and gdm installed ?07:42
premier_arun: for the love of god, get nvidia07:42
otaku-sandevkinetic: ahhh that is what I thought.07:42
intelikeyarun i'd sujest intel07:43
premier_intelikey: yeah... but I'm not sure if I can run gdm, see, if I run it, it will be impossible to switch to it07:43
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devkineticarun: nvidia , aside from being better, has better linux support07:43
premier_arun: whatever you do, don't get an ati card made in the last year or so07:43
Nanoerdoes Kubuntu have Nautilus?07:43
arunhaha i'll get nvidia07:43
premier_arun: if you plan to run linux, theres no reason to get ati07:43
otaku-sandevkinetic: what file format was your stargate stuff in?07:44
otaku-sanya...ATI is heck from what I've seen..and heard07:44
devkineticotaka-san: xvid07:44
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premier_actually, the open source drivers might catch up in a few months... I think I'm going to cry with joy when that happens07:45
devkineticotaka-san: it was mostly getting a combo that didn't kill my other media players, like with some packs it would like windows movie maker07:45
arunare any of these any good? http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/vostronb?c=in&cs=inbsd1&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=mn07:45
premier_intelikey: should we try to see if there's a way to run gdm?07:45
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devkineticotaka-san: *kill07:45
intelikeypremier_ ok it might take a reboot, but let me give you some console dope;  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm ;sudo nano /etc/gdm/gdm.conf   and scroll down to the  AllowRoot=  and set it to yes or true and save and exit.07:46
otaku-sandevkinetic: well because it's open source...and of course windows normally has a heart attack with that stuff unless you pamper it07:46
otaku-sandevkinetic: surprised that Ubuntu didn't play it off the bat07:46
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intelikeypremier_ if you don't have a root password set you'll have to set one.    sudo passwd        and set one for root,  make it a good one.   then reboot.07:47
devkineticotaka-san: yes i had to hold its nose while windows swallowed it so it would taste the sweetness of open source07:47
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otaku-sandevkinetic: haha great job.  Ya, I still dual boot...and I have to do that way to often to windows sometimes07:48
intelikeyand for jack's sake premier_ don't go telling people that i helped you finish breaking that thing...   :)07:49
arunI'm sorry about all the questions :) I'm also planning to get an external hard drive. Is there anything in particular I should look for in it?07:49
devkineticotaka-san: i run linux on my lower end comp, windows on my current dev box, and when i get my mac it will become my dev box and i'll run windows on my gaming box07:49
arunI want it to work on Linux/Windows/OS X07:49
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otaku-sanarun: you are talking my kinda configuration there07:50
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otaku-sanOS X before Windows tho'07:50
arunotaku-san: Ah ok07:50
otaku-sanyou too devkinetic07:50
devkineticoh yes07:50
premier_intelikey: well, usually I can blame it not working on my doing something stupid... but I have no idea what I did and I have reason to believe it wasn't my fault07:50
NanoerArun: I find getting a internal then putting an enclosure on it works better because most externals here have other kind of crap installed on them07:51
devkinetici can't wait for a nice mac to code on07:51
arunNanoer: I'd rather not do that. I don't trust myself with that stuff07:51
arunAny recommendations?07:52
arunSome people I know have said that some external drives dont work with Kubuntu07:52
NanoerArun: Read the back07:52
devkinetici was playing with the 24" imac at best buy last week , mmmm07:52
intelikeypremier_ well what i listed above (should) make gdm the login manager "assuming you selected gdm" and the edit will allow root to login via gdm.   thus you can at the very least work on it from the gui   "until that breaks for root too"...    ;/07:52
NanoerArun: If it says for PC and Mac then your good07:52
premier_so, I guess the password that is my password is not my password07:53
otaku-sandevkinetic: ya..I do web designing..and windows..is just too gaming.  Macs are meant for dev, and designing07:53
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arunNanoer: thanks07:53
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intelikeypremier_ the password that you use with sudo gksudo and kdesu  is your user password   not a root password07:53
NanoerArun: Your welcome07:53
premier_intelikey: yeah, but I know I set the root password on this thing07:54
otaku-sandevkinetic: haha I could go on..and on about Macs...but we might have to take it to the off topic kubuntu channel07:54
devkineticotaka-san: exactly what i do, macs make my designing more happy and bright, when im using windows i always tend to use more dark colors07:54
facugaichguys, how come when I oggdec(ode) a 17 mb file I get a 7mb .wav?07:54
intelikeypremier_ k  was just saying if you don't have one you will have to set one.07:54
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jombeehi everyboyd07:54
arunSo I'll get a Dell laptop. Do you recommend Dell or a Mac? (might be a stupid question to ask here but still)07:54
jombeeanyone use conky?07:55
devkineticotaka-san: lol yeah07:55
premier_are you kidding me?  passwd won't let me exit itself... it demands that I *change* my password, I can't just give my old password againg07:55
intelikeycrtl X07:55
intelikeycrtl C07:55
intelikeysure you can... :)07:55
premier_okay, I'm in a failsafe session07:56
NanoerArun: If you get a Dell make sure it has an Intel processor otherwise it won't run Mac07:56
otaku-sanarun: wait...I wasn't paying attention..but what are you going to do?  In a nutshell?07:56
premier_intelikey: you can't ctrl c out, at least I couldn't07:56
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premier_intelikey: I'm in a failsafe X session... how do I bring gdm back up?07:56
arunotaku-san: I am planning to get a new laptop. I am wondering whether to get a Mac or get a Dell laptop PC07:56
intelikeyerr not on this box...    sorry;  -root: passwd: command not found07:56
devkineticarun: what do you do on it?07:57
intelikeypremier_ should be as simple as crtl+alt+backspace07:57
otaku-sanarun: well if you are keeping it OS X...go for a Mac07:57
NanoerArun: Also Most Macs though they look cool are kinda old on the technology usually 1000 USD for single core 512MB RAM07:57
premier_intelikey: okay, I'm logged in as root, in gnome07:58
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arundevkinetic: I do a lot of programming and I also use software like Adobe CS07:58
premier_in good old knome07:58
premier_good old gde07:58
arunI love Kubuntu.. I love the UI and all the apps. I use VMware to test websites in IE or to use photoshop07:58
intelikeypremier_ ok.   now if you can get the user accounts working...07:58
NanoerArun: Last week Mac OS X was selling for 40 bucks so buy a Dell with Intel if you want to save a ton of money but don't care about if your hardware looks cool or not07:59
intelikeypremier_ but i need to go now.   someone else will have to help with the rest.07:59
intelikeypremier_ you ok with that ?07:59
premier_okay, who wants to help me figure out why X crashes mysteriously?08:00
arunNanoer: Dell hardware looks pretty cool as well. Plus what's more important that everything should work, especially wifi and peripherals like scanners/printers/multiple monitors and external hard drives08:00
intelikeyok.   later all,  and good luck to your penguin08:00
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NanoerArun: Then go with Dell. Macs don't want to be messed up or use anything on it BUT Mac08:00
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jombeepremier I'll try to help08:01
NanoerArun: The money you save will me more than enough to replace one or two parts that might not work.08:01
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arunNanoer: Thanks. I think you get 1GB macbooks for more or less the same price as a Dell laptop, but I think I'll go with Dell08:02
NanoerArun: Really? Where do you live? Here their at least 3x the price08:02
arunNanoer: I'm in Bombay, India. I checked at a Mac showroom, the MacBooks cost around Rs 65-70,000 (around $1400)08:03
arunMacBook Pro is way too expensive, though08:03
NanoerArun: Nice... Last time I went to Bombay 756Mhz processors were the latest thing. xD08:03
arunYou've been to Bombay? Where are you from?08:04
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arunWhere in?08:04
NanoerBombay and Gujrat08:04
arunOn a different note, does anyone use Elisa Media Center here?08:05
premier_jombee: have you been listening to me and intellikey? I can catch you up08:05
arunlooks like an excellent media center application08:05
jombeepremier: no I have not08:06
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premier_jombee: well, I ran out (like really ran out) of disk space on / ... so I moved some files around, and then I rebooted... now, I can get to kdm or gdm, but nothing will run except root... I kdm crashes and restarts, gdm will log in as a failsafe or as root08:07
premier_if I try to log in as anything in gdm except root I just get diverted to a failsafe console08:08
jombeewhat did you move?08:09
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jombeeand have you tried to create a new user and log in as it?08:09
premier_jombee: yeah, the new user has the same issues as the primary user08:09
jombeeand root will log in fine08:09
premier_jombee: yeah08:09
jombeewhat does df -h look like?08:10
premier_jombee: I moved two folders from /media (part of root) to /home (a seperate partition).  The folders were not mounted drives08:10
premier_whats lrm?08:11
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jombeehow much space do you have left on /home?08:11
jombeedo you know what pastebin is?08:11
jombeepremier: do you know what pastebin is?08:12
premier_jombee: yes, but the computer isn't online08:12
premier_another example of something thats broken08:13
jombeedo ls -al /home and tell me who owns your users directories08:13
premier_oh, gnome just doesn't know my wireless settings08:13
arunis the next release hoary hedgehog or gutsy gibbon08:13
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thunderboltGutsy Gibbon08:13
NanoerIs Nautilus a GNOME only thing?08:14
thunderboltHoary was released before we started alphabetizing.08:14
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arunah ok08:14
arunheh sorry08:14
thunderboltNanoer: Nautilus is part of GNOME, but you can run it in KDE.08:14
arunjust made a fool of myself :p08:14
NanoerOkay thanks08:14
premier_jombee: theres failsafe, level1, lost+found, portcompy,portcompy-208:14
arunis gutsy gibbon is going to come with beryl pre-installed?08:14
arunthat's what i read on some forum08:14
jombeewho is the owner of portcompy?08:15
premier_level1 and failsafe belong to their users, and everything else to root08:15
premier_jombee: root... its not a user directory, its just a folder for some stuff I have08:15
jombeedo this sudo chown -R portcompy:portcompy /home/portcompy08:15
premier_jombee: but I created it after all this trouble started08:15
jombeewhat is your username?08:15
premier_portcompy isn't a user08:16
premier_my user is level108:16
thunderboltarun: Not sure, that's the plan that's in Launchapd, for beryl to come standard.08:16
jombeealright, try chown -R level1:level1 /home/level108:16
NanoerWhat's the channel to develp language support for Ubuntu?08:17
jombeeif those are the only directories, then you didn't create another user08:17
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premier_jombee: I created a user called "failsafe"08:17
jombeeunless failsafe is the other user08:17
NickPrestais there any reason why my flashplugin-nonfree package is being held back?08:18
premier_yeah... for all my failsafe needs08:18
premier_NickPresta: what do you mean held back?08:18
thunderboltNanoer: do you mean #ubuntu-translators ?08:18
jombeeand all you did was move some files from /media to /home08:18
premier_apt-get won't let you install it?08:18
NanoerYea thanks08:18
NickPrestapremier_, `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` upgraded about 12 packages and kept back flashplugin-nonfree.08:19
premier_jombee: it might have been that the computer had 0 Bytes of free space on / for a while08:19
jombeepremier: what happens when you try to login from a terminal?08:19
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premier_jombee: I can do it08:19
premier_jombee: sort of08:19
jombeesort of???08:19
premier_jombee: see, my graphics drivers really screw up the ttys... it a problem that exsisited before this mess08:20
jombeewhat graphics card do you have?08:20
premier_so, I can't really go there from an X session, and even if I could, I could come back08:20
premier_ati mobility radeon X140008:20
jombeeand can you see anything from a terminal?08:21
premier_I think I might just go back to vesa08:21
premier_jombee: see?08:21
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jombeeyeah, can you type in a terminal and see the output08:21
premier_jombee: well, the hot keys that *go* to the terminal don't work08:21
premier_and as I said, even if I could go there, I couldn't come back08:21
premier_but I'm logged into a gnome session right now08:22
jombeeas root08:22
ShockValuethis is getting weird.. i enable my second display, restart X, and all is OK.  if i then reboot, the machine locks up when it starts X.. if i disable the second display, then it boots up again just fine08:22
premier_I have a gterm all ready to go, too08:22
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premier_jombee: so what do I need to see from the terminal?08:23
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jombeethe output of startx from your user08:23
jombeeit should crash, but provide some kind of clue as to what is happening08:23
premier_jombee: it doesn't08:24
premier_we tried08:24
jombeedoesn't crash08:24
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premier_doesn't give anything useful08:24
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arunAnyone know of any good media center apps?08:24
jombeeroot.... you shouldn't connect to the net when logged in as root08:24
premier_good thing I'm not08:25
premier_I'm using a different computer to talk to you08:25
jombeeI was talking to the person who just logged in08:25
premier_I'm sorry if I'm being sarchastic... its been a long day and I'm really peeved about this08:25
NickPrestais there any reason why my flashplugin-nonfree package is being held back?08:25
NickPrestaor how I can check the reason08:26
jombeeif you log in from a terminal, does it load into gnome, or does it load a failsafe terminal?08:26
premier_jombee: if I do startx as a normal user, it prints some information and then dies without an error08:26
premier_jombee: if I do it as a super user, it logs into gonem08:27
jombeewhat are the permissions on /etc/X1108:27
jombeesounds like your users don't have the correct permissions to execute the X environment08:28
premier_jombee: root root and so on08:28
jombeethe advanced permissions rwxrwxrwx directly to the left of root:root08:29
premier_well, I have drwxr-xr-x root root... what permissions do they need?08:29
jombeethat's right08:29
jombeewhat are the permissions on /usr/bin/X1108:30
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premier_its a link... to... "."08:31
premier_whats dot?  pwd?08:31
jombee. indicates the current directory08:32
jombeebut the perms should be lrwxrwxrwx08:32
premier_well, yeah, links don't have permissions08:32
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jombeeI don't know man, I probably would have reinstalled by now08:34
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:34
premier_jombee: if thats true and you were me, you would be reinstalling every week or two08:35
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about adeptinstaller - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:35
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premier_because that's how often I run into this kind of trouble08:35
jombeeis this a weird setup or some kind of crazy laptop08:35
premier_dell inspiron E170508:36
ubotuadept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto08:36
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jombeedoes anyone know anything about conky?08:37
Jemidonheroki: reason i am trying to find out, my installer is having errors committing changes08:37
Daisuke_IdoJemidon: sudo apt-get -f install08:37
herokihave you considered a different apt-get method?08:37
herokiyeah, try that08:37
Daisuke_Idoin konsole08:37
herokimake sure adept is closed when you run that command08:37
Daisuke_Idomost definitely, or there will be errors08:38
Daisuke_Ido(nothing that can't be fixed by closing adept and running the command again, of course)08:38
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ShockValuebest KDE/QT mp3 tagger opinion?08:38
Daisuke_Idoi'm sure there's a better dedicated tagger, but for what i do, it's fine08:39
ShockValuei love amarok, but i prefer to tag my files before i import them08:39
Jemidonok that's done08:39
Daisuke_IdoJemidon: should have finished committing changes08:39
Jemidonsays : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.08:39
NickPrestajombee, I use conky sometimes. it's decent08:40
Daisuke_Idogo through adept and try again :)08:40
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jombeehow do you get it to stop flashing08:40
JemidonDai: just tried that, same error message08:40
jombeeI do have doublebuffering on08:40
NickPrestajombee, I changed the update interval (3.0 seconds for me) and it stopped flickering08:41
Daisuke_Idothere was an error downloading or committing...  what are you trying to install, and from what repo?08:41
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JemidonDai: i'm t rying to install xine codecs for mp3 playback and from the Ubuntu repo08:41
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ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:43
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herokithat's the docs for it08:43
herokiyou might have already been there though :P08:43
JemidonDai: i just tried an update with Adept Manager and it has paused at downloading  the universe packages08:44
Jemidonheroki: lol yep :P08:44
herokiso you want to use xine to play mp3s?08:44
Daisuke_IdoJemidon: libxine-extracodecs?08:44
Daisuke_Idoheroki: not the same thing08:44
herokii think when i installed that package, though, i didn't have problems afterwards08:44
herokibut it was for divx, not mp3, i think08:45
Daisuke_Idosounds like it's not connecting to that repo perhaps :\08:45
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herokii had problems updating from security.ubuntu.com the other day08:46
herokiit's possible *shrug*08:46
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wersother than htop, are there other apps that will show me my system's processes and RAM usage?08:47
Daisuke_Idotop :P08:47
ardchoilletop, free08:47
herokigtop works too, if you want another graphical one08:47
Daisuke_Idoksysguard if you prefer a graphical view of things08:47
wersin ksysguard, which is it that shows ram usage?08:48
wersis it "physical memory?"08:48
Daisuke_Idothat would be it08:48
wershow about processes, would that be08:49
wersCPU load?08:49
Daisuke_Idothe tab that says "processes"08:49
Daisuke_Idolooks like ksysguard is a little more up to date than the last time i checked it out (3.5.7)08:49
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wersthere is a process thable tab but I want to see the total usage of my processor08:49
herokiit could be a bit simpler on the panel, though08:49
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Jemidonstupid wireless08:50
JemidonDai: yes libxine-extracodecs is the one that i'm trying to get08:50
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werswhat does the CPU load in ksysguard show? Processes?08:52
ardchoille!info libxine-extracodecs08:52
ubotulibxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB08:52
wersaccording to htop, my mem usage is consistently 335/440MB. do you think I need a ram upgrade?08:53
Daisuke_Idoit couldn't hurt, but that's a part of the way linux handles memory08:54
Daisuke_Idoif it's needed, it's released to the process that needs it, i believe08:55
ardchoillewers: open a term and run: free08:55
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ardchoillewers: Look at the buffers/cache line08:55
werswhat does that mean?08:56
ardchoillewers: No, look at the second line under used and free08:56
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NickPrestamemory reallocation is expensive. memory is freed when needed.08:56
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wersused: 34414408:56
JemidonDai: i tried to install from command and it says that the extra codecs have unmet dependencies and it depends on libxine1-ffmpeg but it is noninstallable08:57
wersfree: 10680808:57
Daisuke_Idosudo apt-get update08:57
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ardchoillewers: upgrading ram wouldn't hurt08:57
wersI'm wondering, why is my total swap 0?08:57
wersI have a 2GB swap partition08:58
ardchoillebecause it isn't being used08:58
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Daisuke_Idowers: because windows is satanic and uses swap all the time08:58
werswhat is the swap for anyway?08:58
Daisuke_Idolinux is sane and doesn't.08:58
JemidonErr http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages08:58
JemidonSub-process gzip returned an error code (108:58
Jemidonthat's what i keep getting every time i sudo apt-get update08:59
ardchoilleJemidon: Does this help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=39772508:59
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wersI have 512 MB now, how much ram do I upgrade too?09:00
werswould 1.5 GB be practical or too much?09:00
Daisuke_Idoand probably financially the best option09:00
ardchoillewers: When I build a system I always put 1gb ra in it09:00
Daisuke_Idoi'm running 1gb and never swap09:01
werseven if I have a slow processor?09:01
wersI have a Celeron M09:01
wersI think 1.5ghz09:01
Daisuke_Idostill ddr40009:01
werswhat is ddr400?09:02
Daisuke_Idoram designation, aka pc320009:02
wersI do not know what those things are.. sorry09:02
Jemidonardchoille: it gets to 99% (connecting to wine.budgetdedicated.com ( and stops09:02
ardchoilleJemidon: That url won't even open for me09:03
Jemidonardchoille: then the connection times out,09:03
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ardchoilleSame here.09:03
Jemidonardchoille: lol i wonder why it won't open09:04
ardchoilleJemidon: May be the server09:04
Dragon121im new to ubuntu09:04
Dragon121i kinda need some help09:04
Dragon121can anyone help me09:04
ardchoilleDragon121: Hi, welcome. What is your issue?09:04
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Jemidonardchoille: Heh...that's very odd...i updated my wine earlier today09:05
Dragon121im trying to install a microsoft product and i got wine but it wont go09:05
ubotuwine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.09:05
Dragon121its a product09:05
Dragon121its called wine emulator09:05
ardchoilleJemidon: Sorry, can't help with wine, I haven't touched a Windows product in over 7 years.09:06
Dragon121whoa lol09:06
Dragon121then what games you play09:06
Daisuke_IdoWine Is Not an Emulator (exactly what WINE stands for)09:06
ardchoilleI don't play games.09:06
Daisuke_Idonot all of us play games09:06
Jemidon#winehq is where you can go for help as well Drago09:06
Daisuke_Idoalthough, a lot of games are playable through wine09:06
Dragon121i just wanna install steam09:07
Dragon121i need to know how though09:07
wersshould RAM size and processor speed be proportionate?09:07
Jemidonardchoille: oh no it's no problem ardchoille wait a second, it fetched something09:07
Daisuke_Idowers: not necessarily09:07
wersooh.. okay09:07
Daisuke_IdoDragon121: http://appdb.winehq.org/09:07
Daisuke_Idothat will help immensely09:08
Jemidonheh i was just there earlier too09:08
ardchoilleJemidon: repos can do that now and then09:08
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Jemidonardchoille: so i just keep trying to update until i get no broken packages?09:09
ardchoilleJemidon: Wait, broken packages?09:11
ardchoilleFrom the wine repo?09:11
Daisuke_Idoardchoille: -f install didn't help09:11
Daisuke_Idoand it's libxine-extracodecs from universe09:11
Daisuke_Idoadept gave the "problem downloading or committing" error09:12
ardchoilleThat's a repo problem.09:12
Jemidonardchoille: yea, for some reason my libxine-extracodecs package is broken09:12
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Daisuke_Idonot broken, nonexistant.  the repo's being a pain09:12
Jemidonardchoille: sorry, if i wasn't clear lol09:12
ardchoilleJemidon: I would wait a bit and try later.. sounds like a repo is b0rked or something09:12
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ardchoillecould be updating commits or some such09:13
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Jemidonardchoille: hmm...odd that it's been b0rked all day lol...everything else upgrades with no prob09:13
spawn57my ssiter's friend asked me to put some music on her 30gb ipod09:13
spawn57...5 mins later I told her there wasn't enough space on it..09:13
ardchoilleJemidon: recently the security repo was down for hours, it happens.09:13
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Jemidonardchoille: well then lol what fun what fun09:14
Jemidonoh well, i suppose i'll have to try tomorrow or something, it doesn't help that my internet kept shutting off the other day09:15
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ardchoilleYou break it, you bought it09:17
Daisuke_Idogood thing ubuntu's free, huh?09:17
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NickPrestait's gratis09:18
Jemidonlet the security team fix it09:18
Jemidonhee hee09:18
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dsmithdont kick the repos..09:25
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Daisuke_Idocuz they kick back?09:34
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Jemidoni kick harder hee hee09:41
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ubotuUbuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com09:43
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kuukkeliGot problems.  1st: Kubuntu or ubuntu, both are pixel mess. but after changing nv to vesa from xserver-xorg it works09:46
kuukkeli2nd: Everytime i enable nvidia drivers and rebnoot, linux crashes and comes to black screen what i can type to.09:47
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panigrci have a problem with greasemonkey, when i am trying to install a script it doesn't show the popup but it does show the whole script, I 've searched but couldn't find anything09:48
Daisuke_Idothat's not a kubuntu problem09:49
Daisuke_Idothat's a firefox problem, and more specifically, a greasemonkey problem09:50
Jemidongrease and monkey don't go well together09:50
Jemidontoo slippery09:50
panigrci know but how can i debug ?? the error console doesn't tell anything09:50
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Jemidonhavn't a clue, i'm still trying to get the damn repositories to update on my end09:51
vzduchJemidon: what's the problem?09:51
panigrci thought that it was the linux version problem cause before some months when i had *** greasemonkey worked09:52
dsmithJemidon: has been kicking the repos and they shut him out09:52
Jemidonvzduch: one of my repositories is still down for something, so i can't get the updates i need to install stuff and i keep kicking the repos hoping they'll respond09:52
Jemidonnicely i might add09:52
Jemidonor one of the repositories i should say, they aren't mine09:53
vzduchJemidon: tried a different mirror?09:53
Jemidoncause if it were mine,  i wouldn't be in this situation...grr09:53
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Jemidonvzduch, i dunno any other mirror09:53
vzduchJemidon: which mirror is it that isn't responding?09:54
Jemidonhttp://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)09:55
panigrchas anyone managed to install xgl ?09:55
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Jemidonand with sudo apt-get -f update i get the following: Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages09:56
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panigrcok there is another problem too .. sometimes when i shut down kubuntu then is stops with a black screen without to follow the shut down proccess this is very bad09:56
joker14gibts die seite auf deutsch ?09:57
waylandbillpanigrc: ati proprietary?09:57
pag!de | joker1409:57
ubotujoker14: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de09:57
jombeewhat are the risks associated with upgrading to kde 4?09:57
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kuukkeliGot problems.  1st: Kubuntu or ubuntu, both are pixel mess. but after changing nv to vesa from xserver-xorg it works09:58
kuukkeli2nd: Everytime i enable nvidia drivers and rebnoot, linux crashes and comes to black screen what i can type to.09:58
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panigrcalso when i try to run firefox then it takes so long and then it stops09:59
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panigrcbut from the other features i am fully satisfied10:01
waylandbillpanigrc: are you using the proprietary ati display driver?10:02
panigrci have tried to install it but when i am trying to test opengl  idon't remember the command10:02
panigrcit says again mesa 3d10:03
panigrcsorry i have install it10:03
panigrci changed the xorg.conf10:03
panigrcbut the 3d is still mesa10:03
panigrcand openoffice doesn't work10:03
panigrcand some other programms10:03
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panigrcif you can guide me to find a solution i would be thankfull10:05
panigrcprobably ati drivers are not as good yet10:05
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panigrci have ati 9600 xt10:07
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vzduchJemidon: it's a bit complicated as it seems finding mirrors.. but perhaps you might (at least for the moment) change the "us" in your faulty mirror to something else (e.g. "ca") or leave it out10:08
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hangthedjpanigrc: sorry i don't know anything about ati10:11
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:11
panigrcthanx i'll check it out and tell you10:12
waylandbillthat's the one I used for ati driver.10:13
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vzduchkuukkeli: what card do you have?10:15
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_Codeman_Does kubuntu have joystick support and if so what joysticks and what packages, if any, do I need10:21
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kuukkelinvidia 6600 gt agp10:26
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vzduchnot that I knew too much about recent cards.. but it should work w/ the standard nvidia-glx10:28
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto10:28
panigrci finally managed to install scripts in greasemonkey10:29
panigrci did a new profile and transfered all needed to that profile10:30
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vzduchkuukkeli: what exactly do you get when starting w/ nvidia enabled?10:35
kuukkeliafter enabling the drivers, i restart and then comes black screen10:37
vzduchkuukkeli: only black screen or a command prompt?10:37
kuukkelimore like terminal without pregave text10:37
kuukkeliblack screen what i can type to10:37
vzduchso you get a command prompt?10:38
vzduchthen when you're in there, type 'startx'.. it should give you error messages10:38
kuukkelioh, okay.10:38
kuukkelinext time i do that10:39
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vzduchand when you get errors starting up X, you might also want to read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log10:40
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boguhhi, where to install new kdm themes?10:40
vzduchthese errors give you (or at least more experienced ppl) clues as to what goes wrong10:40
pag!find kdm-theme10:40
ubotuFound: kde-kdm-themes10:41
boguhi ment is it done in control center or elsewhere?10:41
pagboguh, install kdmtheme -package :)10:41
pagboguh, yeha, that is what you will achieve with ' kdmtheme '  I remembered packagename wrong at the begining10:42
boguhshould be installed by default10:43
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Existzanyone an nvidia professional?10:44
pagboguh, umm... Vim should also be fully installed by default, so is the thing with $anyotherprogramm  there's just not enough space to satisfy everyone :)10:44
pag!ask | Existz10:45
ubotuExistz: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)10:45
boguhhehe, but still cant find the kdm theme manager :(10:45
Existzpag my nvidia kernel module won't load10:45
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sx666I can not find the sudo apt-get install 915resolution in kubuntu...10:46
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pagboguh, if you've installed "kdmtheme" the manager should be found in kcontrol -> system admin. -> KDM Theme..10:46
pagExistz, does it give any error?10:46
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Existzthat's the error10:47
pagboguh, or if you prefer system settings, then it can be found under Appearance10:47
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pagExistz, so what exactly are you doing; which command fails?10:48
sx66anyone conf the 915resolution?10:48
Existzwhen I try to start x10:49
ExistzI get nvidia-kernel-module failed toload10:49
Existzbrb man pissing10:49
pag!info 915resolution | sx6610:49
ubotusx66: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)10:49
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sx66pag: yes, so....where is it in kubuntu? via sudo apt-get install 915resolution, E: Couldn't find package 915resolution10:50
pag!universe | sx6610:50
ubotusx66: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu10:50
Total_dumbassHi all!10:51
sx66pag: I have searched for the "915" nothing. even when I had updated...10:51
pagsx66, well do you have universe enabled?10:51
Total_dumbassGot a little problem here... Tried to install KDE on Ubuntu (aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, kde-desktop etc), seems that everything went fine, but now I lost my login screen (have to type startx to get into GUI), and there's no KDE, just good old Ubuntu Nautilus... How to get to KDE? Any ideas? Thanks.10:51
pagTotal_dumbass, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm   see if that helps with the first problem10:52
vzduchTotal_dumbass: for starters, try 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start'10:52
Total_dumbassThanks, I'll try that.10:53
vzduchfrom out of X, that is10:53
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Dragon121i have a uqestion10:54
Dragon121if you guys can hear me10:54
Dragon121can ubuntu get viruses?10:54
Total_dumbassProbably- yes.10:55
Dragon121do i need antivirus software?10:55
pagDragon121, less than 1% chanse for getting them, so don't worry10:55
pag!virus | Dragon12110:55
ubotuDragon121: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=2110:55
Dragon121phew ty10:56
Total_dumbassTry Clamav...10:56
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Dragon121well u need wine for tht10:56
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pagthere's no need for A/V unless you run a mailserver10:56
vzduchDragon121: http://web.archive.org/web/20060515194001/http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm10:56
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vzduchpag: or download Windoze software for family members who refuse to use Linux ;)10:57
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Total_dumbassGoing on reboot... Hoping everything will work fine. :)10:58
pagvzduch, yeah :-)10:58
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Dragon121well i am running mozzila thunderbird and AIM10:59
Dragon121so is tht ok11:00
pagExistz, do you have nvidia-glx installed?11:00
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Dragon121oh and what about spyware11:00
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Dragon121i hate tht shit11:00
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sx66is kubuntu less resource hogg as ubuntu?11:00
Dragon121i have ubuntu11:00
Dragon121running ATM11:00
Dragon121at the moment11:00
sx66what is atm?11:01
waylandbillsx66: when using kde based programs, it uses less resources.11:01
tmbg_at the moment11:01
vzduchsx66: in my experience, *buntu is not a resource hog anyway..11:01
sx66gnome=more resources?11:01
Dragon121i like ubuntu WAY better than xp or vista i have em both11:01
vzduchsx66: if you want to see a resource hog, try openSUSE..11:01
waylandbillsince it is reusing the same libraries, it doesn't to load as many11:01
pagDragon121, don't worry about viruses / spyware... and by the way: Please keep this channel family friendly.11:01
Dragon121ok sorry bout my language11:02
sx66xfce I found is the most effective.11:02
Dragon121wont do it again11:02
sx66xfce does not make my fan start up. kde and gnome make it start...how can I configure that?11:03
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hangthedjon my laptop there is a toshiba utility.  maybe there is one for your computer.11:04
sx66does linux reconz. that? hangthedj11:05
hangthedjwhen i installed linux on my laptop, it did.11:05
sx66what app did it install?11:05
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hangthedjtoshset i think.11:06
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hangthedjlemme check11:06
Dragon121why doesnt your fan start up lol11:06
Dragon121u have a laptop?11:06
Dragon121running ubuntu or kbuntu11:07
kharlosshi there. i have a problem . when i try transfer some files from my HDD to my USB stick , transfer is verry slow ...  sometimes 1 MB but often  less then 32 kb/sec   and  verry  "fluctuating" ...   any solution ?11:07
Dragon121i think your computer is slow11:08
Dragon121or its a problem11:08
Dragon121with ubuntu11:08
Dragon121or kbuntu11:08
Dragon121just guessign11:08
hangthedjsx66: it installed fnfxd toshset and toshutils, which all do the same thing.11:08
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sx66Dragon121: yes, my fan is at 100% now, I have ... p(m) 1gb ram11:08
gabrieleciao a tutti11:09
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vzduchkharloss: USB 1.1?11:09
gabrielema qui si parla inglese11:09
kharlossno   usb 2.0 i guess . my computer suport  2.011:09
vzduch!it | gabriele11:09
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sx66Dragon121: what is ubiquity? it is in the top of my sudo top.11:09
hangthedjkharloss: the device may not.11:10
glauco1hi, i have a problem with azureus, he cresh when i open it11:10
sx66so, kde is lighter weight than gnome?11:10
hangthedjnah just better.11:10
glauco1what i must do?11:11
sx66hangthedj: how is kde better? as in the cpu and etc handling?11:11
Lynoureglauco1: if you do not insist on using azureus, try some other torrent client, like ktorrent?11:12
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waylandbillsx66: when using kde applications, it uses less resources than a gnome desktop. R11:12
waylandbillRunning firefox or the like will use non kde libraries though.11:12
glauco1ktorrent give me other problems11:12
hangthedjalot more features, alot more configuration, alot prettier.  alot more comforatable11:12
vzducha lot, comfortable :)11:13
pagglauco1, if you really need Azureus, then installing java might help11:13
waylandbillacutally 'alot' was correct, not 'a lot'11:13
hangthedjand i work at a college i should be ashamed11:14
arunumm does gmail not work in konqueror11:14
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aruna lot is correct11:14
sx66how do you see your sys resources beside using top?11:14
arunnot alot11:14
glauco1i have alredy installed11:14
arunsx66: ksysguard11:14
sx66what is your top 10 fav. apps guys?11:14
pagarun, works for me :s you might have to use fake user-agent though11:14
Lynourearun: a lot is correct of gmail in konqueror, because they don't support it fully.11:15
arunit didnt work with the fake user agent11:15
hangthedjhitting control+escape will take you there.11:15
tmbg_sx66, xsensors11:15
pagsx66, amarok, konqueror, vim...11:15
tmbg_amarok takes some getting used to but I like it a lot11:16
waylandbillactually, being a dead metaphor, it's best just to say more.11:16
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hangthedjjoe, amarok, k3b, konqueror, kaudiocreator, kpat, vmware11:17
waylandbillarun: it works with the fake user agent. M11:17
waylandbillMake sure you have mail.google.com as the site11:18
vzduchkonsole, irssi, krusader, konqueror, k3b, kmail, audacious, idjc11:18
arunwaylandbill: with the fake user agent, it just outputs everything as plain text11:18
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arunno layout or anything11:18
arunjust words11:18
arunone after the other11:18
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hangthedjoh yeah yakuake11:18
sx66what is normal for ksysguard viewing in the charts?11:18
waylandbillarun: i set it to tell that I'm firefox and then I had to switch out of standard mode.11:19
arunhow do you switch out of standard mode11:20
sx66arun: standard mode of what? and why?11:20
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waylandbillsx66: gmail's standard mode.11:20
aruni can only view it in html mode with konqueror's default identification11:21
waylandbillarun: it should have a link at the top or bottom. Loading the site now.11:21
arunotherwise it just outputs plain text11:21
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sx66what time is it over there guys?11:21
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hangthedj2 am11:21
sx6602:23:45 am11:21
vzduch@ now berlin11:22
TheInfinity11:19 *g*11:22
ubotuCurrent time in Europe/Berlin: July 14 2007, 11:22:06 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Developers in 7 hours 37 minutes11:22
arunand how do i configure konqueror to use ctrl enter for .com, shift enter for .net, etc11:22
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sx66hak5 FTW!11:22
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pag!hi | replman11:23
ubotureplman: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!11:23
hangthedj!hi | crazyrobot11:24
ubotucrazyrobot: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!11:24
hangthedj!hi | hangthedj11:24
pag!botabuse | hangthedj11:24
ubotuhangthedj: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...11:24
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replmanI successfully installed a new graphic-card and the driver to that card. Everything works fine, only the resolution is bad (~ 800x600). When i go to control-center -> display -> sysadmin, it seems that kdesu is outside of the screen ;-)11:25
vzduchthe sun is shining, the radio is playing Gypsy Kings :)11:25
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vzduchreplman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg11:25
replmanbut without sysadmin-mode i cannot change the resolution ;-)11:25
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arunmaria maria11:27
arunreplman: do what vzduch said11:27
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replmanvzduch: thank you. I know that i also can edit the xorg.conf-file, but it's very weak, that something like that can happen....11:28
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vzduchseems the probing for the monitor is not too good in *buntu11:28
replmanisn't there a way to get kdesu back11:28
vzduchresp. that of the Nvidia driver11:28
vzduchreplman: ?11:28
imslow357my question mark key is  `s! :-(11:28
replmanYes, nvidia set the monitor to "generic"11:29
vzduchreplman: gotta blame Nvidia for that..11:29
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replmanvzduch: ;-)11:29
sx66how do you install a printer?11:30
replmanvzduch: but i think especialy kdesu should check if it's position is outside of the screen11:30
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skolliesx66: System Settings, Printers11:31
sx66lol crashed11:31
sx66keeps crashing11:32
skolliesx66: what keeps crashing11:32
sx66printing...hold on11:32
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Dragon121u have a thing that is conflicting with it thts why11:33
hangthedjwhats the ubuntu channel to talk about random ubuntu stuff?11:33
Dragon121and other things11:34
Dragon121like games11:34
Dragon121with ubuntu11:34
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paghangthedj, #ubuntu-offtopic11:34
cigaI appended vga=795 to grub, now I have 1280x1024 for console. how do I change the refresh rate from 60hz to 75hz?11:34
hangthedjthats the one.11:34
skolliehangthedj:  the #ubuntu channel is for support. #ubuntu-offtopic is for random stuff11:34
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Existzhow many headers should I have in my /usr/src location?11:35
sx66how do you set the screen backlight to turn off at 1min?11:36
pagExistz, I have four11:36
ExistzI have 4 also11:36
Existzthat doesn't seem right11:36
hangthedjExistz: as many as you have kernels. if you installed them all.11:36
sx66got it nvm11:36
Existzyou got my problem with nvidia kernel not loading?11:36
Existzgeforce 850011:36
i98linuxhellow... i like mount a system raid (software) i have use a mdadm command?11:36
Dragon121why is there always a problem with nvidia cards for ubuntu???11:37
Dragon121they need to fix it11:37
pagExistz, install nividia-glx-new (I guess...)11:37
Existzseriously, they do11:37
sx66RESTART, wo0o completed install :D11:37
Existzdid that11:37
Existzno dice11:37
Existzwent all over the world11:37
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Existzand went to new beta drivers which gave better results11:38
Existzand those are it11:38
Existzno other drivers11:38
Existzsupport my card11:38
i98linuxhellow... i like mount a system raid (software) i have use a mdadm command?11:38
Existzwhat card you running?11:38
Dragon121nvidia geforce FX 520011:38
Dragon121kinda old11:38
Existzuse to have that11:38
Dragon121but decent11:38
Existzuntil it fried itself11:39
Dragon121how lol11:39
Dragon121now im worried11:39
Existzdidn't have a power surge11:39
Existzlearned the hard way to buy one11:39
i98linuxDragon121: did you use a compiz fusion?11:39
Existzhad a power outtage11:39
Existzit fried my motherboard11:39
Existzand videocard11:39
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Dragon121im screwed11:39
Existzget a power surge11:39
Existzit's worth the money11:39
Dragon121well ok11:40
replmanDragon121: just a view minutes ago i successfully installed my geforce FX 5200 :-)11:40
Dragon121nice lol11:40
replmanDragon121: with kubuntu feisty11:40
Existztrying to install an 8500 GT11:40
Existzit's been such a bitch11:40
Dragon121well lol11:40
Dragon121good luck lol11:40
Existz14 hrs hours now11:40
Dragon121nvidia is the hardest to run on ubuntu11:40
Existzlet me see11:40
ExistzI say about 24 hrs11:40
Dragon121cant even get my wireless to work lol11:41
Existzthrough out this week11:41
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Existzspent on working on this stupid problem11:41
replmanDragon121: just go to nvidia.com-site and get the linux-driver for that card11:41
cigadoes anyone can help me how to change my refresh rate from 60hz to 75hz in console? I have vga=795 for grub...11:41
Dragon121working on wired11:41
ExistzI did11:41
Existzdidn't work for shit11:41
Existzonly their beta driver supports the 8500 and up11:41
Existzit's bs11:41
Existzbut the beta gave me better results11:41
Existzless errors11:41
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Dragon121if anyone can help me with the wireless connection i cant get mine to work11:41
Dragon121oh lol11:41
pag!wireless | Dragon12111:42
ubotuDragon121: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs11:42
Dragon121k ty11:42
hangthedjDragon121: what kind of wireless card do you have?11:42
Existzpag any other ideas11:42
pagExistz, not really :(11:42
ExistzI know people who just gave up and said fuck it they'll run on vesa11:43
Dragon121i have11:43
Existzscrew vesa11:43
Existzrealtek what?11:43
Existzi got realtekkkkk11:43
Dragon12154 mbps wireless card11:43
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Existzgot a conroe-sata 2 mb11:43
Dragon121yea my whole computer is realtek and nvidia lol11:43
Dragon121but my hdd is western digital11:43
hangthedjmaybe madwifi could help?11:43
hangthedjit helped me11:44
Dragon121im look in wht wifi cards ubuntu supports11:44
hangthedjalthough i don't have realtek, well i do, but its not wireless.11:44
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Dragon121lol well GREAT it doent reconize realtek11:44
Dragon121wtf do i do11:44
Dragon121just my luck11:45
wepihaIn kmix I cannot select the "Shared Rear/Line-In" switch... what can I do?11:45
Existzcan't believe how fast batteries die on a wireless mouse11:45
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skollieDragon121: Go have a look at this thread - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2681.html11:47
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theeajhutchins: heloo friend11:48
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wepihaExistz: I have the same problem occasionally... usually when the mouse picks up the tiniest amount of movement. 2 suggestions if you haven't tried already...11:48
Existztry what?11:49
wepihaExistz: 1) leave the mouse on an entirely flat surface when not in use11:49
wepihaExistz: 2) buy a mouse that is more energy efficient ;)11:49
Existzwell works now, just had to replace the batteries11:49
ExistzI went over to nimh batteries11:49
Existzsaves money in the long run11:49
Existzlike you wouldn't imagine11:50
wepihasame as what I use (2000mAh variety)11:50
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ExistzI use to use batteries from the $.99 store11:52
Existzthey fucking ruined a $50 mp3 player11:52
Existzthe acid leaked out11:52
Existzafter a few months11:52
wepihaim NZ so I use whatever I can find thats cheaper than normal AAs!11:52
Existznimh's the way to goooo11:52
Existzi'm not even sure what to do about this problem anymore11:54
kuukkeliwhere is Restricted Drivers Manage at kubuntu?11:54
Existzdoesn't have them11:55
Existzyou need to apt-get it11:55
kuukkeliand command is?11:55
kuukkelisudo apt-get install Restricted_Drivers_Manage ?11:55
pagkuukkeli, package is restricted-manager11:55
pagit'll pull lots of gnome-depencies iirc.11:56
kuukkelipag, i need that for my nvidia driver. :-/11:57
pagkuukkeli, I didn't say you shouldn't try, I just warned you about the depencies11:57
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kuukkelipag, hehe12:00
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kuukkelidoes kubuntu use KDE or gnome? ;S12:02
wepihacan I have a script run when a network connection is detected/lost?12:05
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hangthedjwhat kind of script?12:10
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wepihahangthedj: well I have a network bridge (that I can $1 start/stop/restart) which I then want to enable/disable when eth1 is up/down respectively12:12
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miltoshi ppl:-] 12:13
miltosdoes anyone know how to update the dvb-x list including more satellites in kaffeine?12:14
hangthedjis eth1 wireless or something?12:14
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theeait is possible to reinstal ubuntu without formating partitions to avoid backup action on dvd?12:15
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wepihaeth1 is connected to my xbox 360 that wants LIVE working, however when the bridge is enabled, it only works if eth1 is up12:16
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wepihathus leaving me without the option to have it up permenantly12:16
hangthedji suppose it might be possible to create a cron job to check the connection12:16
theea it is possible to reinstal ubuntu without formating partitions to avoid backup action on dvd?12:16
hangthedjtheea: why do you need to reinstall?12:17
ksivajitheea use rescue broken system option12:17
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects12:17
wepihahangthedj: thanks i will look more into these cron jobs you speak of12:17
theeabecause i messed up the flash instalation and i can't see all flash on firefox12:17
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hangthedjhow did you mess up the flash installation?12:18
ksivajitheea you can if you have plugins12:18
theea rescue broken system < where to find it12:18
ksivajitheea it will be there in ubuntu install cd12:18
theeaksivaji: on some pages it doies not se the last version 6.0 of flash and browsed page looks empty even on others i cand see flash12:19
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leandrohi there12:19
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ksivaji   theea    http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/13-must-do-things-on-new-ubuntu-704.html12:20
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wepihaksivaji: can you check about:plugins to see if 'application/x-shockwave-flash' mime-type is available?12:20
hangthedjtheea: i think flash is on 9 now.12:20
leandrocan anyone help? i have a problem with a script: I need it to run as root without asking the password everytime12:20
ksivajiwepiha yo u shockware  for linux12:21
theeayes and the page is asking minimum 6 and it sees there only 512:21
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pagleandro, iirc. chmod +s does that... use with caution12:21
theeathat's why i want to reinstall12:21
leandrowell... it does not seem to work12:21
ksivajiwepiha you cant install shockwave in linux12:22
leandrothe script has a single line, something like "ifdown rausb1"12:22
hangthedjjust run the script again.  or copy the libflash*.so to ~/.firefox12:22
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ubotuShockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave12:22
leandroI tried to chmod +s it but it still says I have no permission12:23
pagleandro, sudo chmod +s  ?12:23
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wepihaksivaji: hmm my firefox must be special then ;)12:23
leandroI'll try again12:23
applecan you speak chinese ?12:23
ksivajiwepiha how?12:24
pag!cn | apple12:24
ubotuapple: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk12:24
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apple   12:24
wepihaksivaji: because I have Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 installed as npwrapper.libflashplayer.so installed12:24
leandropag: nothing... I still have to launch it with sudo...12:25
Existztpag's still on?12:26
wepihaksivaji: on an x86_64 system might I add... ok maybe not so special, I think I might have some confusion going on with differentiating Shockwave somehow?12:26
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Existzhaha apple came in here writing in chinese12:26
ksivajiwepiha i dont know much about this12:27
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wepihaksivaji: nah man, i'm not picking on you it just seems interesting how uboto stated something seemingly contrary to my system... ?12:28
wepihaksivaji: how obsurd12:28
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wepihaksivaji: ah, shockwave != flash according to adobe. ah well I guess they should know better than I ;)12:30
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leandrommm, a question... can something like "echo foo | sudo script.sh" work?12:31
ksivajiwepiha i dont know much about this12:31
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pagExistz, yup, still here.12:31
wepihaleandro: try `echo foo | sudo script.sh -`12:31
ksivajiwepiha dont mistake me12:31
wepihaksivaji: ?12:32
ksivajiwepiha nothing12:32
wepihaksivaji: for a watermelon?   sure...12:32
leandrowepiha: nope, it still asks the pwd..12:32
leandrommm... I think I must create the file as root... am I right?12:34
theeaksivaji: i booted again from cd only oprions are : start or install / start in safe graphic mode/ install with driver update cd / check cd for defects/ test memory / boot first harddisk12:34
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theeaksivaji: so i did not find the option mentioned by you12:34
ksivajitheea  is that livecd or installation cd12:35
theealive cd original from canonical12:35
ksivajitheea option what i told you is there in install cd and i tried that option yesterday also12:36
vzduchwhat option?12:36
theeawhere i can download instalation cd12:36
ubotuThe Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal12:37
theeathere i saw only live cd12:37
theeafor 7.412:37
ksivajitheea wait i will give you link12:37
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leandroOK, I have the script... the owner user is root, group root12:38
leandrobut still after chmod +s I need a pwd to run it12:39
ksivajitheea tp://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/feisty/12:39
theeathank you12:39
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ksivajitheea select alternae cd for your machine12:40
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vzduchtheea: nearer to you --> http://ftp.astral.ro/mirrors/ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso12:40
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ksivajivzduch are you sure he is having i386 machine ?12:41
Dragon121k im back12:41
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vzduchksivaji: nah, just guessing :)12:41
Dragon121if anyone cares lol12:41
theeagot it12:42
leandroany idea anyone?12:42
vzduchtheea: if you have a 64 bit machine, it's http://ftp.astral.ro/mirrors/ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-alternate-amd64.iso12:42
eagles0513875woot i am already runnign 64bit12:42
theeaquestion on i386 i use12:42
vzduchah, look ksivaji, my guess was good ;)12:43
eagles0513875theea: u wont regretting running 64bit if have a 64bit machine12:43
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theeanot yet but in future i will have a 6412:43
eagles0513875i have 2 and i love it12:44
rjbsh*t, since i upgraded to feisty my laptop started getting hard hangs about 2-3 times a day12:44
rjbas in, need to powerdown to reboot12:44
eagles0513875rjb: did u do a clean install or12:44
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rjbno, a dist-upgrade12:45
eagles0513875do a clean install12:45
rjbwhy would that be any different12:45
eagles0513875if u can cuz i had trouble when i upgraded12:45
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rjbit's probably a device driver12:45
rjbmy suspicions go towards ndiswrapper12:45
eagles0513875trust me i did a dist upgrade from edgy to feisty and i had alot of issues and when i did a clean install i didnt have the problems12:45
eagles0513875what kinda wifi card u got12:46
rjbeagles0513875: depends on what sort of issues12:46
rjbbcm4318 iirc12:46
ksivajirjb ya i too got problem when i upgrade12:46
eagles0513875i have a site for ay then rjb12:46
rjbhad no trouble on edgy12:46
rjbi'm considering a downgrade:-/12:47
eagles0513875rjb: try a clean install trust me12:47
eagles0513875rjb: also in regards to ndiswrapper u know in kubuntu its broken up into 3 pkgs12:47
rjbthe o/s freezing is not a problem that's easily caused by userspace issues12:48
eagles0513875that is for any broadcom driver12:48
rjband i'm positive it's the o/s and not just the xserver12:48
eagles0513875they took windows driver rewwrote it in c and recompiled it12:48
rjbeagles0513875:  i know all that12:48
eagles0513875i have to say though even when i did a dist upgrade from feisty to gutsy to try it out and help test it i ran into issues there 212:49
rjbi tried it, it was quite unstable for me12:49
rjbtook about 10 attempts on the average before i could associate to the ap12:49
rjb& it filled my logs with cryptic error messages12:50
rjbspitting them out every second12:50
eagles0513875it was when i did a dist upgrade but when i did a clean install everything is fine12:50
eagles0513875im on gutsy right now im not having any trouble except with amarok and kde 3.5.712:50
ubotuIf Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 12:50
rjbwhat i have is i'm sure either a kernel issue or a h/w issue12:51
eagles0513875j/w did u upgrade all the repositories to feisty so u could do the dist upgrade12:51
rjbi followed the instructions on kubuntu.org12:52
eagles0513875i dunno what else to tell ya dude12:52
rjbthough the gui upgrade tool didn't work for me12:52
rjbso i took the command-line route12:52
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic12:52
eagles0513875take a look at that12:52
eagles0513875its rather useful12:53
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replmanstrange thing: in feisty you can go to system-settings -> display and (A) go to sysadmin mode and change resolution -> resolution is written into xorg.conf or (B) stay in user mode and change the resolution for your user. Where is this information stored? It's not in xorg.conf...12:55
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sanchezalgun espaol12:56
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sanchezpor aqui12:56
ubotuSi busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.12:56
eagles0513875solo ingles en este canale12:56
sanchezok sorry12:56
eagles0513875no prob12:56
eagles0513875lol my spanish is rusty12:56
vzducheagles0513875: s/canale/canal/ - otherwise it was correct12:56
vzduchcanale is Italian ;)12:56
eagles0513875vzduch: im havin trouble installing some kde4 pkgs what r some dpkg commands i can run12:57
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vzducheagles0513875: don't ask me, I don't run KDE412:57
eagles0513875i know but i just need some dpkg commands12:57
vzduchman dpkg12:57
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l1ghtsalve a tutti12:59
ubotuVai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!12:59
rjbdpkg --help is a good start ;-)12:59
eagles0513875lol ok12:59
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rjboh & btw the bcm43xx driver lies to iwconfig about connection speed01:03
vzduchrjb: tell that the developers ;)01:03
rjbit always gives 11Mbps even when that's not true01:04
rjbvzduch: I'M SURE THEY KNOW01:04
rjb(capslock accident)01:04
vzduchrjb: well, be glad if it's more ;)01:04
rjbbut the users might be confused01:04
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eagles0513875im so ready to slaughter amarok01:05
eagles0513875and kde 3.5.701:05
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wepihaeagles0513875: 'slaugther'?01:06
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eagles0513875kill amarrok lol01:06
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vzduchanyone here have a Seveas source in his/her sources.list?01:07
rjbamarok is da best01:07
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eagles0513875it is yes01:07
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eagles0513875but with kde 3.5.7 the audio cust in and out briefly  with flack and its driving me nuts01:08
rjbok, gone01:08
ubotuaudacious is included in !Feisty. A !repository also exists for !Edgy: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads01:08
wepihaeagles0513875: tried increasing the priority and / or enabling realtime playack in system settings?01:08
eagles0513875? let me check where in setting could i find it01:09
eagles0513875wepiha: where do i find those settings in amarok01:09
wepihaeagles0513875: its acutally under system settings -> sound system01:10
vzduchanyone here have a Seveas source in his/her sources.list?01:10
eagles0513875vzduch: check this link out01:10
ubotusource-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic01:10
eagles0513875try that vzduch01:10
vzducheagles0513875: that's not my question01:10
eagles0513875u want to know if anyone has tried that repository01:11
eagles0513875or the stuff on it01:11
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vzducheagles0513875: no, I want to know what version of Audacious (if any) they have01:11
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nikolahi everyone01:11
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eagles0513875nikola: hey01:11
nikolai need help01:12
eagles0513875wepiha: what bout the buffer01:12
eagles0513875nikola: ask ur question away lol01:12
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ubotuDon't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)01:12
nikolawhich messenger i can use01:12
Dragon121yo does anyone have AIM here?01:12
eagles0513875i do Dragon12101:12
pagnikola, whichever you want ;)01:12
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eagles0513875nikol u can use kopete which comes default01:12
nikolalike msn!01:12
replmanthe answer to my question (resolution) is: ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc01:12
Dragon121can i have ur username??01:12
eagles0513875i hav emsn too and i use kopete01:12
Dragon121to put in my buddy list01:13
eagles0513875ok wat for01:13
wepihaeagles0513875: it may need to be increased on your system01:13
eagles0513875the buffer01:13
Dragon121to put on my buddy list01:13
nikolakopet doesn`t work01:13
vzduchwhat's emsn?01:13
pagnikola, KMess ans aMsn are clients for only MSN...01:13
vzduchI know amsn..01:13
eagles0513875nikola: it works for me01:13
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eagles0513875Dragon121: what u want to add me for01:13
Dragon121need a friend01:14
Dragon121see if it works01:14
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Dragon121cant get xfire to work on gosh darn ubuntu01:14
Dragon121or any of my games01:14
eagles0513875Dragon121: u need to use wine01:14
Dragon121any i got emulators for em01:14
shabohow to play *.dat video files?01:14
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Dragon121yea i got wine01:14
eagles0513875wepiha: increa the buffer or decrease it01:14
Dragon121when i play CSS it has no letters01:15
wepihaeagles0513875: increase it01:15
Dragon121idk why01:15
eagles0513875ok how much01:15
pag!enter | Dragon12101:15
ubotuDragon121: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!01:15
eagles0513875Dragon121: there is a new program that called crossover its another pay emulator but it looks really promissing01:15
Dragon121will try it01:15
eagles0513875its like cedega01:15
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eagles0513875Dragon121: U HAVE TO PAY sry for caps01:16
wepihaeagles0513875: a little is better, all depending on your system01:16
eagles0513875lol ok01:16
eagles0513875Dragon121: i think u can try before u buy lol01:16
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Dragon121yo whts the emulator called again gimme a link please01:17
eagles0513875google teh company name called codeweavers01:18
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vzducheagles0513875: Crossover is not new, it was previously called Crossover Office because it was originally made to run M$ Office on Linux01:18
Dragon121but can it run games?01:19
Dragon121i need to know01:19
vzduchrunning games w/ Crossover is unsupported, but you can try01:19
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)01:19
eagles0513875Dragon121: yes it can they tested css and world of warcraft on it01:19
Dragon121now how do i get rid of wine lol01:19
eagles0513875vzduch: its changed though it can bplay games01:19
Dragon121will it work with wine installed too01:19
vzduchsudo aptitude remove wine01:19
Dragon121the site wont go lol01:20
eagles0513875then their site is down01:20
wepihaeagles0513875: sound any better ?01:20
eagles0513875hold on01:21
eagles0513875wepiha: lil bit better01:21
Dragon121now what is wephia lolo01:21
eagles0513875name of a person in the channel whose helping me01:22
wepihaDragon121: its my name!01:22
wepihaaren't I the blessed one ;)01:22
Dragon121well eagle can i get ur aim username or not01:22
eagles0513875ive increased it quite alot and its still not helping01:22
Dragon121need to see if it works01:22
eagles0513875Dragon121: its smalleagle05138701:23
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eagles0513875wepiha: its not working should i start decreasing the bugger01:24
wepihaeagles0513875: the default is 232 ms01:25
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eagles0513875im at 34801:25
zorglu_ q. i want to do oprofile/sysprofile on the kernel on ubuntu feisty, can i do that without recompiling the kernel ? like by using existing packages ? if so wich one ?01:25
wepihaeagles0513875: I have struck and rectified this several times prior yet i'm stuck with defective memory at the moment :(01:26
eagles0513875damn that suxs01:26
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wepihaeagles0513875: do you know what sound engine you are using in amarok and system-settings?01:28
eagles0513875auto detect so my computer uses alsa01:28
wepihaand in amarok?01:28
eagles0513875in amarok autodetect01:28
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wepihaI believe amarok-xine is the most stable?01:30
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eagles0513875wepiha: for the sound system its using xine engine01:32
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bluewebmandoes anyone know how i can get java to run on this ubuntu?01:35
Dragon121i got it o01:35
eagles0513875wepiha: its not working ill ttyl guys01:37
eagles0513875time for lunch01:37
wepihaeagles0513875: hope you get it solved. good luck01:37
eagles0513875i reported it to kde already so its only a moment of time01:37
eagles0513875cuz i can use exaile which i hate but it works fine in exaile01:37
Dragon121what it exaile?01:38
eagles0513875amarok knock off its a piece of shit01:38
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neko_what is fglrx ?01:54
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angelmadridalguien habla espaol aqyui??01:59
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BluesKajHowdy All :)02:06
runleveltenhello BluesKaj02:06
vzduchhi BluesKaj02:06
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BluesKajhi runlevelten, vzduch, what's up ? raining this morning (here in Northern Ontario)02:08
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BluesKajWe're allowed a couple of greetings without the offtopic cops bothering us ( I hope ) :)02:10
vzduchBluesKaj: sunshine in western Germany, wonderful beach weather after lots of rain and ~20C for weeks..02:10
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BluesKajnice vzduch ! :)02:10
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BluesKajlots of storms here in the past 2 weeks , power failures due to lightning ...lucky to be here today02:12
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runleveltenBluesKaj: gloomy in the UK02:14
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runleveltenno torrential rain right now, which is nice. Been a lot of rain and thunderstorms02:14
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BluesKajwet summer in the northern hemisphere02:15
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JackNETUK@BluesKaj Same here02:16
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BluesKajhow can I prevent the cursor inside the google searchbox from jumping to the end of the line after just one keystroke. when tring to make a correction02:17
vzduchBluesKaj: yeah, seems so.. we in Germany don't have it as wet as the UK or the southern US e.g. though02:17
shadowhywindhas anyone ever used sshfs before?02:17
BluesKajerr trying02:18
BluesKajin Konqueror BTW02:18
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JackNETUKstats p02:21
JackNETUKstats /p02:21
hak5fanHi Why doesn't lpt #1 show up as a possible printer connection port in the cups web interface when I try to add a printer02:21
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BluesKajhak5fan, is it a network printer , or direct connected02:27
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hak5fanBluesKaj: Directly connected02:37
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Dragon121yo anyone still on02:47
Dragon121i need to ask some questions02:47
Dragon121if anyones o02:47
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piippogo ahead02:47
Dragon121well isnt ubuntu linux02:47
piippowhaddya mean02:48
Dragon121so shouldnt it run linux programs02:48
piippowell, yeah02:48
piippoit does02:48
Dragon121well im tring to install steam for linux and it says tht there is no program to open this file02:48
Dragon121i dont get it02:49
piippoyou mean valve's steam?02:49
piippoi never heard they'd have a linux version02:50
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Dragon121they do02:50
Dragon121a beta02:50
Dragon121but it wont run02:50
Dragon121idk why02:50
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piippowhat's the file extension02:50
vzduchwhat's that anyway?02:50
Dragon121umm one sec02:50
Dragon121piippo do u got aim??02:50
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Dragon121one sec lemme go get the file dont leave02:51
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BluesKajhak5fan, I have to ask this: did you try the printer wizard (add printer)...I don't know what you mean by the cups web interface.02:51
ubotuPrinting in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows02:52
kuukkeliHow to change keyaboard typing style?02:52
kuukkeliit's american at this moment but i want finnish :P02:52
vzduchBluesKaj: http://localhost:631/02:52
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Dragon121it an x-executable file02:52
kuukkeliDragon121, did you say that to me?02:53
vzduchDragon121: well, what's the file extension?02:53
piippotry making it executable Dragon12102:53
piipposudo chmod a+x "filename"02:53
Dragon121lemme try02:53
piippoor something of that sort02:53
BluesKajright vzduch , I never bothered with that ...just ran the wizard and tried various setups in it til it worked02:53
BluesKaj<---network printer02:54
Dragon121well i tried02:54
kuukkelihow to change keyboard options?02:54
piippokuukkeli: go to system settings02:55
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sweettoothkuukkeli, add your language in keyboard layout, which is in regional & accessillilty of kcontrol02:55
sweettoothto go to kcontol, press Alt+F202:55
kuukkelia) where is system settings?      b) where is kcontrol? :D02:55
Dragon121to piippo : the filename is steam and its on the desktop how do i get it to open it?02:55
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sweettoothkuukkeli, press Alt+F2 and type kcontrol02:56
Dragon121yo piippo02:56
Dragon121u there02:56
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Dragon121i need yo healp02:56
piippoDragon121 it's prolly a shell script, so you can just right-click it and go to options02:56
piippoor preferences, don't remember02:56
piippoand make it executable there02:57
Dragon121then wht do i open it with02:57
piippothen click ok and you're ready to run it02:57
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Dragon121lemme try one sec02:57
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piippoif it really is a script, doubleclicking should do the job. or singleclick, depending on yar settings, sailor02:57
kuukkelisweettooth, and next? :D02:58
sweettoothkuukkeli, where you at? kcontrol?02:58
kuukkelisweettooth, yep.02:59
Dragon121yo its says this read it piippo Cannot open /home/daniel/Desktop/steam: No application suitable for automatic installation is available for handling this kind of file.02:59
sweettoothregional & accessillilty --> Keyboard Layout03:00
piippowhat? it's named only 'steam'?03:00
piippoi think you've done something weird :)03:00
piippodunno. wait a sec, i'll check03:00
kuukkelisweettooth, thnaks. :P03:00
sweettoothkuukkeli, ur welcome mate03:00
stdinpiippo: it's an ELF03:01
stdinDragon121: look here for some instructions http://www.fileplanet.com/126568/120000/fileinfo/Steam-v2.0-Beta-Client-%5BLinux%5D03:01
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stdinDragon121: click the "Show More Details" to see them03:02
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piippoDragon121: cant find info on steam for linux03:02
piippowhoopsie, disregard that one03:03
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Dragon121what u mean whoopsie lol03:04
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piippoi didn't notice stdin's link there. :)03:04
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Dragon121well idk wht to do with it03:07
Dragon121it works with nothing03:07
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embrik I've bought myself an external case for 2,5" IDE hd, with USB 2.0 connection. How do mount this? Do I have to format it? It is supposed to be used both in windows and linux - I'm thinking of giving this to the teachers at my school, to avoid giving them laptops.. Anybod who can give me a tip or show me a howto?03:10
ses59_adept updater locked up so i termanated the program but now it will not restart shows to be running looking at services to kill but could not find it03:11
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stdinembrik: if it's a new hard drive, then you'll have to partition it, then format it03:11
kuukkelihow to install wine properly?03:11
ses59_which service should i kill to free adept updater03:12
stdinembrik: if you want it to be used with both linux and windows, it's probably best to format is as fat3203:12
pag!aptfix | ses59_03:12
ubotuses59_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 03:12
embrikstdin: what about ntfs?03:12
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embrikstdin: would you be so kind, or anybody else on the channel, to guide me through this?03:13
stdinembrik: write support for ntfs isn't totally stable yet, and you'd have to install the ntfs-3g package03:13
stdinembrik: 1st thing to do is find what the device is called in /dev03:13
embrikstdin: sda03:14
stdinembrik: ok, now you need to partition the disk, you'll need to decide if you want to have one big partition or more03:14
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embrikstdin: one big..03:14
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stdinembrik: ok, there are 2 ways to do this. you can either use the shell commands, or install the grpahical package gparted03:16
embrikstdin: I prefer the shell, if you don't mind..03:16
stdinembrik: that's fine :)03:16
vzduchstdin: in KDE use qtparted :)03:16
stdinvzduch: qtparted is a bit too buggy for my liking03:16
pagvzduch, gparted is more advanced iirc.03:17
stdinembrik: the command you'll want to type is "sudo fdisk /dev/sda"03:17
eagles0513875!aptfix | hilary123x12303:17
ubotuhilary123x123: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 03:17
embrikjust going to make one partition fat32, don't need any fancy stuff03:17
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stdinembrik: in there you'll have a "menu"03:17
stdinembrik: you type "o" to create a new partition table03:18
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ses59_thank you the code worked but now when told to fetch updates it locks on 99%03:18
stdinembrik: then "n" to create a new partition03:18
embrikstdin: nice, i'll cach up later. Unfortunately I have to drive my son to a friend of him....03:18
ses59_waiting for headers03:19
stdinembrik: it's ok, I'll be here for a while, just ping me when you're back03:19
piippodoes anyone know how to make mouse wheel turn desktop cube on compiz fusion?03:19
piippolike it does in beryl03:19
persenhi, i have done all steps explained here, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Samba_Web_Administration_Tool_.28SWAT.2903:19
ses59_ok just did not wait long enough now it is working03:20
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persenbut pointing my browser to http://localhost:901 displays no page (error)03:20
Dragon121yea middle click the mouse03:20
persenso SWAT is not up and running, any clues?03:20
stdinpersen: did you install a inetd server?03:21
persenstdin, yes, netkit-inetd03:21
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stdinpersen: try "sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart"03:22
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persentried it03:22
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stdinpersen: ok, see if the entry for swat is in /etc/inetd.conf03:23
stdinpersen: should look like "swat            stream  tcp     nowait.400      root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/swat"03:23
stdinon one like03:24
persenyes, it does.03:24
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persenis there a place i can look for log messages for this ?03:25
Dragon121yo does anyone here have AIM?03:25
stdinpersen: see if this shows anything: sudo netstat -lp|grep swat03:26
persentcp        0      0 *:swat                  *:*                     LISTEN     20895/inetd03:26
stdinwell, the port is open then03:26
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persenSWAT listens on port 20895 ?03:27
persenor is 901 routed to that port via inetd?03:27
stdinpersen: no 20895 is the PID of inetd03:28
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stdinpersen: does this not show the page:
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stdinpersen: hmm, check /var/log/syslog if there is anything to do with it in there03:31
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persenstdin, not much but maybe this is a clue, Jul 14 15:24:54 server7 inetd[20901] : execv /usr/sbin/tcpd: No such file or directory03:33
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stdinyeah, that is a clue03:33
persenaptitude install tcdp ?03:33
stdintcpd yeah03:34
runleveltenewwwwwwwwwwww... firefox opened that windows thing when I chose "open folder"03:34
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runlevelten"Nautilus". Horrible.03:34
Myrthhi, how can i make knetworkmanager not to update /etc/resolv.conf when connecting to vpn?03:34
persenstdin, yay, that did it! thanks alot!03:35
stdinpersen: no problem :)03:35
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SillyZWould like to report a bug, wine-0.9.41 ... where do I go to report it ?03:37
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stdin!bug | SillyZ03:39
ubotuSillyZ: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots03:39
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pag!hi | kris03:42
ubotukris: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!03:42
krishi pag03:42
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arunhaha look at bug #103:43
arunhey pag03:43
pagarun, yup :) that bug is to be solved... some day03:43
eagles0513875wepiha: hey03:44
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krisdamn, that ubuntu stuff isn't easy for a newbie in  the linux world :(03:44
eagles0513875kris: whats wrong03:44
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eagles0513875kris: ask ur question dude03:45
kriswel yeah, I'm used to work with windows ... and I have a Graphic card with 2 screens connected03:45
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Teslakris, Nvidia?03:45
krisand offcourse, as a windows users ... I would like to have the same stuff in Kubuntu as in Windows03:45
eagles0513875or ati03:45
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krisyeah Nvidia03:45
eagles0513875good lol03:45
SillyZactually K/Ubuntu is one of the most user-friendly distros on the market, tis why it holds such a high market share in the linux community03:45
arunlaunchpad seems like a good application03:45
eagles0513875that should out of the box03:45
krisout of the box?03:46
eagles0513875if not u have to tweak some x settings03:46
krisyeah, the second screens works ... lol03:46
krisbut it's only red and blue03:46
krisand flickering03:46
krislike I'm in a disco ... lol03:46
eagles0513875open up the system settings03:46
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eagles0513875and see if u can fix the refresh rate and resolution of the 2nd monitor03:46
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krisok ... moment, I'll try03:46
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krisgood, but he doens't recognise the second monitor03:47
krismonitor 1: plug and play03:47
krismonitor 2: not recognized03:47
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eagles0513875what video card is it03:48
krismoment, I take the box of it :-)03:49
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eagles0513875what model card lol03:49
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eagles0513875kris: in shell type lspci03:49
rixxonNetwork Manager is being a devil, I can't connect to encrypted wlans ... Ideas?03:50
arunkris: you can check the model card in kinfocenter03:50
eagles0513875gets a list of all ur pci devices03:50
eagles0513875or that too03:50
arununder 'opengl'03:50
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Daisuke_Idolittle language barrier, i think03:50
willis_any articles about using beryl under kubuntu?03:50
arunwillis_: what kind of articles?03:51
Daisuke_Idowillis_: install the drivers for your card, then sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager03:51
Daisuke_Idoit's not rocket science03:51
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Daisuke_Idowhich is what i love about kubuntu03:51
Daisuke_Idowillis_: i just gave you a tutorial03:51
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arunkris: did you get the model number03:52
willis_ubuntu has an application something like desktop effect03:52
willis_why not kubuntu03:52
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arunwillis_: kubuntu has it too03:53
SlimeyPetewillis_: you can install it manually03:53
ubotuCompiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects03:53
willis_compiz or beryl?03:53
SlimeyPete^^ it's that, undred a different name03:53
SlimeyPetecompiz-fusion is the one to go for these days03:53
SlimeyPeteberyl works but is a dead project03:54
willis_beryl is dead?03:54
willis_I just installed it03:54
stdinwillis_: beryl and compiz have now been merged03:54
arunberyl is merged with compiz, hence compiz-fusion. it works, but wont be developed any more. it's still supported though03:54
eagles0513875u have to login to the xgl desktop to use it03:54
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willis_compiz-fusion is not in repository03:56
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SlimeyPetegoogle it. There are packages available on third-party repositories I think.03:57
willis_should I install xserver-xgl?03:57
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razahello, I have somehow manged to locked my self out of all the package managers, anyone know what I can do03:58
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stdinwillis_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion03:58
stdin!aptfix | raza03:58
uboturaza: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 03:58
willis_thanks, I will go for it03:59
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doc_.   ?04:00
stdin!ru | doc_04:00
ubotudoc_:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke04:00
arunkubuntu can now write to ntfs drives? i did not know this04:01
arunhow do i make this work?04:01
arunis it buggy?04:01
stdin!ntfs | arun04:01
ubotuarun: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse04:01
ubotuntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions04:01
stdinarun: it's called "stable" now, but always keep a backup of important stuff04:01
BluesKajarun, install ntfs-3g and ntfs.conf04:01
arunalright.. i have a fat32 partition just to share files04:02
arunand i can read files from ntfs so it's good enough04:02
arunbut this could be useful04:02
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Dragon121yo anyone got AIM here wanting to know04:03
eagles0513875Dragon121: lol04:03
arunok have to go04:04
arunlater, people04:04
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kuukkelimy linux is healthy as a hospital04:26
persenhospitals is full of bacterias04:28
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stdinand sick people04:28
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Timsenhi, i want to install syslog-ng, on a dapper server installation, but apt want to remove the ubuntu-minimal package, will that lead me to problems if I remove this package?04:55
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stdinTimsen: it will when you come to upgade, but not until then04:56
roltuxis there anybody overhere who has a webcam, willing to test it out with me, i am searching for a new webcam and want to see how the quality is04:57
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snake_can anyone help me with this problem in compiz05:06
isaacalgum me socorre!!!05:06
pag!br | isaac05:07
ubotuisaac: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.05:07
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WhtWolfTeraDynesnake_: It's best to ask compiz questions in #ubuntu-effects05:08
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isaacto tentando instalar o flash mas no consegui...05:09
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snake_WhtWolfTeraDyne: just tried here because i am not getting a response there05:10
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WhtWolfTeraDyneAh. Well, ask your question, and maybe someone in the few of us awake here will know.05:11
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evilmmany reason my usb thumbdrive wouldnt automatically be mounted?05:18
BluesKajdid you check in storage media?05:19
roltuxyeah linux won an tour etappe05:19
roltuxi meant linux05:19
persenviva the penguin05:20
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evilmmBluesKaj: yes05:20
BluesKajok, are plugging in directly or thru a hub ?05:21
evilmmit recognizes it in qtparted05:21
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BluesKajevilmm, lspci to see if your YSB ports are listed05:23
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patrick__is das hier der deutsche ubunte irc channel ?05:23
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ubotukernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild05:23
=== Trevinho assente: Pero ora assente.
BluesKaj!de | patrick__05:23
ubotupatrick__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de05:23
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evilmmBluesKaj: usb controllers listed05:24
=== Trevinho assente: Pero ora assente.
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evilmmshouldnt it auto popup when inserted?05:25
BluesKajyeah, usually05:26
evilmmfuck in qtparted it says theres no filesystem on it05:26
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BluesKajevilmm, is it loaded with apps or stuff off windows ?05:28
evilmmafaik it works fine on windows05:28
BluesKajif it's music or video it should show up , but i dunno about windows apps05:29
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evilmmbut i did have it plugged in when i set this machine up05:30
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evilmmbut i dont think i wrote any changed to it05:30
BluesKajeven if it was MT it should still appear05:30
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letzfetzdeutsch support05:31
ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots05:31
evilmmi think its FAT05:32
letzfetzdeutsch ubuntu channel05:32
evilmmbecause i wrote stuff on it from windows and linux05:32
letzfetzkann mir einer sagen wie ich in den deutschen ubuntu channel komme ?05:32
letzfetzdeutsche ubunut irc channel05:34
WhtWolfTeraDyne!de | letzfetz05:34
ubotuletzfetz: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de05:34
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K-RyanHow would I start the live cd in text mode only?05:36
imslow357i think only the alternate cd only boots in that way?05:39
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K-RyanOh, just curious05:40
K-RyanBecause I've been having some trouble here...05:40
whiz2having a major issue on another computer05:40
whiz2using liveCD mode of the latest version of Kubuntu, i can not get internet/network access at ALL05:40
stdinK-Ryan: you can try adding "single" to the boot options, but you can't install from the command line05:41
K-Ryanstdin: It's okay, my problem seems to be fixed anyway05:42
stdin!ask | isaac05:42
ubotuisaac: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)05:42
whiz2my entire network is setup so that i have to specify my IP, netmask, DNS, and Gateway... i did this, and entered all my information (wep, etc) and nothing works... i can't even see my router05:42
isaacestou com problema para instalar o flash adobe05:43
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pag!es | isaac05:43
ubotuisaac: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.05:43
ubotuPor favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.05:43
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whiz2any help???05:44
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evilmmman i wish i had a windows box in this house now05:46
WhtWolfTeraDyneevilmm: why?05:47
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whiz2i have one... on it now, but that's beside the point i need a lil help with kubuntu. :-p05:47
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evilmmthis usb drive05:47
stdinwhiz2: wireless?05:49
whiz2and wired05:50
stdinwhiz2: so you have manual config and it's not working?05:51
whiz2stdin: niether will connect at all05:51
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whiz2stdin: correct05:51
whiz2stdin: i just restarted... lemme configure wrieless again to see what happens.....05:51
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evilmmdamn found a windows box..no partitons on it05:52
evilmmthats odd05:52
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evilmmonly really lost my gpg keys05:52
stdinwin won't see ext3 partitions05:53
evilmmwell qt parted says no partitons as well05:53
evilmman i was using it on windows and linux05:53
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evilmmso i guess i just reformat with fat32?05:54
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K-RyanHow much swap should I give this old laptop I'm on? It's 433Mhz and has 256Mb of RAM05:54
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evilmmeven though it is just 256mb05:54
whiz2stdin: there is way to see ext3 partitions in windows, but i can't remember the app name05:55
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evilmmi always double the ram to get my swap part05:55
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stdinK-Ryan: about 512MB to 1GB05:55
WhtWolfTeraDyneevilmm: It's usually best to go 1.5x or 2x RAM up to 1GB05:55
evilmmisnt that what i said?05:55
stdinwhiz2: yeah, I know. but I don't use windows :p05:55
WhtWolfTeraDynewrong one, I ment K-Ryan05:55
K-Ryanstdin: Would there be much of a difference between the 512Mb and 1Gb, is that much going to be used?05:56
WhtWolfTeraDyneI just woke up about an hour ago.05:56
evilmmi have 1gb dont ever thing ive used my swap05:56
KartiHi all, if I want to upgrade to 7.10 would it be better to start from scratch or can I upgrade from 7.04?05:56
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stdinK-Ryan: if you want to be able to hibernate it then you need 2x RAM05:56
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whiz2stdin: i'm still having the issue05:57
stdinKarti: when it comes out, you can upgrade05:57
stdinwhiz2: can you ping any other pc?05:57
K-Ryanstdin: I think Karti meant from Edgy(6.10) to Feisty05:57
whiz2stdin: ping [ip addy]  <-- run?05:57
Kartistdin: Many thanks. I am trying to sort out my file system in Feisty to make it easier for the change05:57
stdinwhiz2: yeah05:57
KartiK-Ryan: no I am on 7.04 at the mo05:58
stdinKarti: it'll just be like a normal update, except a lot more packages05:58
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evilmmas a rule of thum i always make separate /home partitions05:58
Kartistdin: happy with that!05:59
WhtWolfTeraDyneevilmm: That's always a good rule.05:59
K-RyanKarti: Oh, I must have misread what you said, I thought you said go from 7.10 to 7.0405:59
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evilmmhmmm qt parted seems to have stalled06:00
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whiz2stdin: nope!06:00
WhtWolfTeraDyneI love the Linux Link Tech Show. Those guys are so awesome, and funny.06:00
stdinwhiz2: you sure you put in the right settings?06:01
K-RyanHey umm, I'm in the install, and in the partition area.06:01
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whiz2stdin: yes. tey worked fine (wired only) in the dapper release06:01
evilmmon usb drives should there be a label?06:01
K-RyanWhenever I make hda2 ext3, it says unknown after commiting the change06:01
stdinwhiz2: can you connect with only a wired connection?06:02
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whiz2stdin: in this version, i can't connect at all06:03
whiz2wired, or otherwise06:03
stdinwhiz2: what network hardware do you have?06:03
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whiz2stdin: want the full version info?06:04
stdinwhiz2: sure06:04
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whiz2stdin: wired - realtek semiconductor co ltd rtl8101e pci express fast eth controller06:05
whiz2stdin: wireless - Atheros communications co - unknown06:06
evilmmok how do i wipe and format /dev/sdb (usb drive) into a fat16 fs?06:06
evilmmon the cli06:07
whiz2stdin: but it sees the wireless dev all the same, and tries to configure it06:07
evilmmbecause qtparted is freezing06:07
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matt____can someone tell me how i could become unbanned from #ubuntu06:07
whiz2evilmm: plug the ubd drive to the win box, use disk manager06:07
matt____I didn't even do anything, I just got banned.06:08
crimsunmatt____: please ask in #ubuntu-ops.06:08
evilmmwhiz2: i dont have admin rights on that box06:08
stdinevilmm: after you partition it, sudo mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sdb106:08
matt____crimsun: what is that? -ops i mean, is it like help for the #ubuntu?06:08
stdinwhiz2: hmm, in feisty?06:08
whiz2stdin: yup06:08
crimsunmatt____: no, it's a channel for channel operators.06:08
matt____crimsun: oh, ok. thanks06:09
stdinmatt____: no -ops = operators (the bosses)06:09
gumjowhere to go for kde4 news?06:09
stdingumjo: #kde4-devel06:09
stdinwhiz2: well I know the atheros card works, I have one06:09
stdinwhiz2: can you see the access point? "iwlist ath0 scan"06:10
whiz2stdin: what could i be doing wrong?06:10
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gumjoI mean website....can't find any that shows previews06:10
stdingumjo: youtube has soem06:10
whiz2stdin: it sees the access point... just won't connect to it... the wired won't connect either tho06:11
gumjooh...thankyou I should've looked there first06:11
stdinwhiz2: can other PCs?06:12
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whiz2the one i'm on is connected, but it's a winbox... i have a dapper server connected & several winboxes connected to the same router06:12
ryanandheatherhello everyone , i need some help, i rebooted my machine and now im stuck in console06:13
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stdinwhiz2: doesn't your router have DHCP?06:13
whiz2stdin: i turned it off06:14
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ryanandheatherim using irc through commandline, and im stuck here, how do i get kde back instead of just a command line06:14
evilmmi got it wiped06:14
whiz2stdin: i shouldn't have to use DHCP if i know what the settings are06:15
evilmmryanandheather: ctrl+alt F706:15
ryanandheatherevilmm whats that do?06:15
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whiz2stdin: realtek is stuck at ip configuration, and atheros is stuck at configuring device06:16
evilmmryanandheather: or you can type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"06:16
hak5fa1/connect irc.hak5.org06:16
evilmmwithout the "'s06:16
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ryanandheatheri'll try those, i have to exit here so i might be back if i can't get it06:17
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whiz2ctrl+alt+F7 won't make you lose the commandline connection06:17
stdinwhiz2: sorry, phone06:18
evilmmwhiz2: well if he accidently changed into a vty06:18
stdinwhiz2: I just wanted to see of DHCP worked at all06:18
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ksivajiis there anyone who know website, where i can get source code of linux games06:20
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whiz2stdin: i'll turn DHCP back on06:21
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klobsterksivaji: happypenguin.org06:22
ksivajiklobster thank you06:22
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ccoffeyi've finally got my system to boot on fakeraid. I found out the issue. dmarid isn't activating the raid in initramfs. I wonder if i could add dmraid -ay before it tries to mount the root filesystem?06:23
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whiz2stdin: how do i stop the pings?06:28
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whiz2stdin: with DHCP enabled, i have access to router, but still not the internet06:29
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ksivajiwhiz2 check netstat06:31
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stdinwhiz2: Ctrl-C to stop ping06:32
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Nylegood morning06:33
Nylehow is everyone doing is fine morning?06:33
Nyleahhhh mmm such a beautiful day outside today06:33
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whiz2ksivaji: all streams are connected. All dgrams are blanks (as far as state goes)06:34
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whiz2stdin: ty didn't wanna ping myself to death lol06:34
ksivaji stdin hi06:34
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kicker8 Hello guys.. I need help! I am runing the latest version of Kubuntu. and I parition my drive. I have a FAT32 partition to share with windows XP. however, I had a problem with creating file on VFAT/FAT32. When I create file called HELLO (in all capital) ubuntu create hello (in small letters) I need to create filename on BIG letters...06:35
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kicker8Here's my fat32 line on fstab  UUID=447B-0C43 /media/data vfat user,auto,gid=100,uid=1000,umask=002,iocharset=utf8,codepage=850 0 006:35
whiz2Nyle: not worried bout outside... more worried bout whether i can get connected to the internet using feisty... not doing too good right now06:36
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stdinhey ksivaji06:36
whiz2stdin: get my message bout DHCP?06:37
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stdinwhiz2: does /etc/resolv.conf have your DNS servers in it (or your routers IP)06:38
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whiz2stdin: i set that myself06:38
whiz2but i can look there06:38
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dronHi, guys! who know, where I can download Windows Vista?06:39
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stdin!windows | dron06:39
ubotudron: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents06:39
ccoffeydron: wrong channel i think ;)06:39
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eagles0513875dron: linux channel only06:41
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eagles0513875good riddence06:42
whiz2stdin: it has the wrong one... i have 2 routers... it's using the wrong IP06:42
stdinwhiz2: is the one router plugged in to the other?06:43
whiz2stdin: yup! only way the wireless will broadcast the internet to it's clients06:43
stdinwhiz2: ahh, then router 2 is getting it's DNS info from router 1. so that's why that's happening06:44
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whiz2stdin: and Linux is getting it's information from router 2, not router 106:44
stdinyeah, because it's connecting to router 206:45
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stdinwhiz2: multiple routers can be a pain to get your head around06:45
whiz2so i can just change both values to the correct number & it should work?06:45
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whiz2stdin: i didn't have this problem with dapper release of kubuntu06:46
stdinwhiz2: it should, you can also set dhclient to disregard the DNS from DHCP and use another06:46
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whiz2stdin: in network setup, i specified the DNS server's IP address (added)06:47
stdinwhiz2: see if you can ping something by name, like google06:48
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about kmines - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi06:48
whiz2stdin: nope06:49
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whiz2stdin: to avoid changing settings on both routers, i set DHCP active only on router 206:50
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stdinwhiz2: you can. the router 2 should get the info from router 1 and pass that along06:51
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danya_hello ?06:53
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danya_I'm having a problem installing gdesklets .. I'm on Ubuntu feisty gnome ..06:53
whiz2stdin: router 2 only sees itself as a gateway... i can change what it transmits tho hang on...06:54
stdindanya_: #ubuntu for help with ubuntu06:54
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arun_are there any keyboard shortcuts to switch from one desktop to another?06:55
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stdinarun_: Ctrl+F[1-12]  and Ctrl+Shift+F[1-12]  by dedault, eg Ctrl+F2 to switch to Desktop 206:57
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runkidrunhow do i change the resolution on the kubuntu kdm login screen?06:58
arun_stdin: thank you06:58
arun_runkidrun: i'd like to know too, my kubuntu logo looks all stretched06:59
stdin!xconfig | runkidrun06:59
uboturunkidrun: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes06:59
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runkidrunstdin, i have done it before, if i remember correctly it was through graphical interface, is that possible?07:00
rob_hello everybody07:00
stdinrunkidrun: I'm not sure if the section in system settings will do it07:01
stdinrunkidrun: but you can try, make sure you switch to administer mode first07:01
perseni've just installed SWAT but cant seem to configure anything, just get links to man pages. I have four categories only (HOME STATUS VIEW PASSWORD).07:01
persenDont i have permissions or something?07:01
runkidrunstdin, k thx07:01
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theshadowwhat is the package with the GNU c++ compiler and make tools?07:03
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stdinpersen: you may have to login as root with it07:03
stdin!b-e | theshadow07:03
ubotutheshadow: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)07:03
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runkidruni can't find kfax, is that a package that comes preinstalled?07:04
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stdintheshadow: thought that would tell you the package: it's build-essential07:04
stdinrunkidrun: no07:04
theshadowThanks but I'm trying to compile my own stuff. I'm primarily a windows trained engineer though so I don't know how to set things up :S07:04
theshadowOh thanks :)07:04
persenstdin, ok, but i cant find a logout button anywhere07:04
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stdinpersen: close the window/tab07:05
persenstdin, doesnt work, still logged in even in another instance of konquerer.07:05
persenmaybe i have to close both?07:06
stdinpersen: yeah07:06
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stdinpersen: if that doesn't work, then do "killall konqueror"07:06
stdinsometimes it stays open in the BG07:06
whiz2stdin: ok i changed the dns settings that router 2 transmits... had to unplug from the cable to go plug laptop back... tried to connect wirelessly...  for some reason it sees it all, but will not grab an IP addy from the router07:07
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persenstdin, Cant login as root, but my kubuntu doesnt have it either.07:08
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stdinpersen: you'll have to add a root passwd, "sudo passwd root"07:09
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whiz2stdin: does feisty show your atheros card as "unknown"?07:10
stdinpersen: you can disable it after with "sudo passwd -d -l root"07:10
stdinwhiz2: yeah: 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01)07:10
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KartiHi, just trying 7.10 32 bit on a 32 bit pc and its failing miserably.....would that normally happen?07:20
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Kartioops on a 64 bit pc07:20
stdinKarti: help with Gutsy in #ubuntu+107:20
Karticheers stdin07:20
runkidruninstalling flash on kubuntu?07:21
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ksivajirunkidrun http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/13-must-do-things-on-new-ubuntu-704.html07:25
Dragon121yo anyone on07:25
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Dragon121does anyone here have AIM???07:25
Dragon121and no im not a petofile07:25
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Dragon121i need some help07:25
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persenwhats a petofile?07:26
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persenDragon121, Try to ask, it helps.07:27
persenread the faq07:27
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IAmWillif i have an AMD dual-core, do i need any special cd? or just use the amd64 cd07:28
freechelmi_Hi All07:29
freechelmi_Was trying to use BCM43xx wifi driver07:29
freechelmi_I installed the firmware07:29
freechelmi_But it still cannot really connnect07:29
persenIAmWill, if theres nothing else i suppose you can take the amd64. But not 100%.07:29
freechelmi_telling driver error07:29
stdinIAmWill: you only need the amd64 cd *IF* you want to install the 64bit version07:29
freechelmi_Do you think this driver is usable ?07:29
freechelmi_or I should go to ndiswrapper right now ?07:30
IAmWillfreechelmi_, have you tried using the bcm43xx-firmware-cutter?07:30
freechelmi_We should boycott braodcom directly07:30
IAmWillfreechelmi_, just install it, modprobe it, and it works07:30
persenstdin, Any reasons not to take the 64 bit version when you have a 64 bit CPU ?07:30
freechelmi_IAmWill: I installed cafuago07:30
stdinpersen: a few, yes07:30
freechelmi_package to have firmware directly07:30
freechelmi_so now I can see wifi networks07:30
freechelmi_and wifi became active ( led on the laptop )07:31
stdinpersen: it's harder to get some things like flash to work, and some non-free drivers will not work07:31
ksivajilinux sucks , i cant play games07:31
stdinksivaji: play frozen-bubble07:31
persenksivaji, You can play some07:31
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persendoom3 works for instance07:31
persenand lot others via wine07:31
freechelmi_ksivaji: you meant I can't play proprietary games07:31
Dragon121never got doom 3 to work07:32
ksivajifreechelmi_ no  open source games07:32
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about xmoto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi07:32
persendoom3 is very easy to fix, you need the linux binary which you can get from id software.07:32
ksivajifreechelmi_ xmoto07:32
IAmWillalso, does kubuntu support the nv 8600gt?07:32
persenand use the windows cd to copy game files.07:32
jhutchinsksivaji: plenty of games work great in linux, even if they're windows games.  There's cedega, which helps if you have an Nvidia card.07:33
freechelmi_ksivaji: OK :-) don't know this one actually07:33
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jhutchinsksivaji: There are a number of web sites dedicated to linux gaming.07:33
ksivajiok how to check whether i have nvidia or not07:33
jhutchinsksivaji: I'm not a gamer, but I have heard that windows games tend to be written for Nvidia hardware, and while they'll work with ATI and Intell under Windows, they won't in Linux.07:33
draikI'm running Kubuntu (duh!) on my desktop. Am I able to plug in my friend's drive and format it for Win98? I want to format it then pave it with win9807:34
jhutchinsksivaji: in a console, if you type sudo lspci, you should get about 8 lines, one of which will be your video card.07:34
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gumjodraik, yes, format it using NTFS07:34
ksivajijhutchins i have s3 unichrome07:35
draikI was thinking FAT32 for win98. I know it can do either or, but it's an old system07:35
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jhutchinsksivaji: I think S3 is great, but it's not as well supported for Windows games.07:36
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ksivajijhutchins freechelmi_ stdin what about VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)07:36
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gumjoI don't know which is better, i'd go with NTFS tho (since it can store files larger than 4GB, and by default windows formats drives using it)07:36
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jhutchinsdraik: Yeah, you want vfat/fat32 for '98, '98 does NOT do NTFS.07:36
draikjhutchins: Yes it can.07:37
jhutchinsksivaji: You can ask in #cedega whether that card is known to run windows games under linux or not.07:37
chaoticcan any one help me how to install rpm package handler on ubuntu been at this for an hr ripping thru forums btw just switched from windows07:37
ksivajijhutchins  i am not running windows games07:37
chaotici extracted the tar.gz07:38
jhutchinschaotic: If you're new to linux, it would be best to stick with packages that are made for kubuntu starting out.07:38
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jhutchinschaotic: If you can't find those, you can try debian packages.07:38
jhutchinschaotic: If all you can find is an rpm, it might not work with kubuntu, but there's a package called alien that will try to install it.07:38
Dragon_1212im back07:39
jhutchins!build | chaotic: this is what you do with tar.gz files:07:39
ubotuchaotic: this is what you do with tar.gz files:: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)07:39
freechelmi_ my BCM430307:39
chaotic its because im trying to install cedega to play anarchy online07:39
freechelmi_I have all the firmware codes in /lib/firmware07:39
freechelmi_so I guess the driver is just not ready for this chip07:39
chaoticand cedega comes in rpm07:39
ksivajijhutchins but i think it is possible to convert .rpm to .deb07:39
jhutchinsfreechelmi_: You should try some of the alternatives that were suggested to you.07:39
jhutchinsksivaji: Yes, that's what alien is for.07:40
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ksivajican you tell me how to do that07:40
freechelmi_jhutchins: the only alternative is Ndiswrapper07:40
freechelmi_as firmware is instaled and loaded07:40
chaoticbtw  how come my resolution can only go to 1024by 768 when in windows  it went to 128007:41
chaoticis it because of the drivers07:42
ksivajijhutchins   can you tell me how to do that07:42
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jhutchinsfreechelmi_: [12:30]  <IAmWill> freechelmi_, have you tried using the bcm43xx-firmware-cutter?07:43
freechelmi_jhutchins: did I say the firmware was already installed ?07:44
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dave_what is gnome?07:44
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freechelmi_jhutchins: never mind , I'll go for Ndis wrapper07:44
dave_found out =] 07:44
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ubotucedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega07:45
whiz2stdin: still around?07:45
jhutchinsfreechelmi_: Just because it's installed and the light comes on doesn't mean it's installed right.07:46
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chaoticwhen i convert it to .deb07:46
jhutchinsI've got two different wireles adapters that I can get to load just fine, but they won't connect to an AP.07:46
stdinwhiz2: just about, I'm just installing an OS on another machine, but I have my laptop with me07:46
chaotic it doesnt   open anything07:46
ubotuRPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)07:46
whiz2stdin: plugged the wired back in, and it immediately changed to show router 2 as DNS again07:47
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chaoticso how exactly do i get cedega on kubuntu07:47
jhutchinswhiz2: Look at the config files for your adapters, set them not to request DNS.07:47
chaoticis there a prebuilt for apt07:48
jhutchinschaotic: You buy it at the web site above.07:48
chaotici have it already07:48
chaoticbut in rpm07:48
whiz2jhutchins: how?07:48
serpentusHi to all.... I need help with a Sound Card... The is that ALSA detects 2 SC, the one in the MB and an Audigy... It detects the MB one even if it is disabled...So I would like to stop ALSA from detecting it..... Thank You07:49
whiz2i have them set to a specified DNS, but they're not grabbing still07:49
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jhutchinsserpentus: Find out which driver it is and blacklist it.07:50
stdinserpentus: if it's disabled in the BIOS then also shouldn't detect it. you can set the other to be default tho07:50
jhutchinsserpentus: Dealing with two sound cards is a known difficulty in *buntu.07:51
NickPrestachaotic, you can use the CVS repository to grab the CVS snappshot of Cedega. http://www.cedega.com/sources.php instructions are al the bottom under "To checkout a new CVS repository"07:51
serpentusstdin: Yea...it shoud't...but it does...07:51
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jhutchinsserpentus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting07:51
serpentusjhutchins: how an I blacklist it07:51
jhutchinsstdin: Some distros handle it better than others, although most of the current problems are in the kernel packages.07:52
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jhutchins!blacklist | serpentus07:52
serpentusjhutchins: thnx I'll see the page07:52
ubotuserpentus: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 07:52
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serpentusjhutchins: thanks a lot! I'll do that right away...07:53
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ubotuHi! Welcome to #kubuntu!07:53
ksivajijhutchins are you dev07:54
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ksivajideveloper ?07:54
Stantonuh.. i realy screwed up.. i have dell monitor and was going through list to find mine and i thought i did and said i needed to restart xserver and now i can not display any thing in the GUI07:54
Stantonwhat do i do to set the monitor to plug and play07:54
bldzrStanton: Maybe you chose the wrong model?07:56
jhutchinsksivaji: Nope, just a fellow user (and long time admin/tester).07:56
bldzrStanton: Check in /etc/X11/ if there's a backup of your xorg.conf07:56
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jhutchins!fixres | Stanton07:57
ubotuStanton: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto07:57
jhutchinsStanton: Try that URL.07:57
Stantonleme write that down07:57
BluesKajStanton, you could do a : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,but try to find the right monitor driver and refresh setup that suits it07:57
serpentusjhutchins: I went to modprobe.d...no my_blacklist there...should I edit the file "blacklist"?07:57
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jhutchinsserpentus: Yeah, that should work.07:58
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jhutchinsserpentus: You may need to re-edit it later, as that may be an automatically generated file, but it's a place to start.07:58
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serpentusjhutchins: thanks.07:58
jhutchinsserpentus: Generally, a .d directory contains files which will all be scanned when the service starts, so you can just make your own file there.07:58
Stantonthank you07:59
Stantoni think i well stick with plug and play...07:59
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Stantonfor i dont even know wich dell monitor i have07:59
Stantonand it dosnt say07:59
Stantonall i know is it came with computer.07:59
Stantonwell i might be back if i am i missed up some were/08:00
jhutchinsStanton: plug-and-play (VESA) works very well for most modern monitors; they report their capability directly to X.08:00
jhutchinsStanton: Come back anyway and tell us you got it fixed!08:00
Stantonwell mine wouldnt go above 800x60008:01
Stantonbut yea08:01
Stantonreading site08:01
Stantonthen gona reboot into kubuntu08:01
jhutchinsksivaji: I do troubleshooting here like some people do sudoku puzzles.08:01
chaoticok i downloaded the .deb i opened brings up binary control and data what do i do from there08:01
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ksivajijhutchins ho08:01
ksivajijhutchins nice to meet you but you didnt tell how to convert .rpm file .deb file08:02
ubotuRPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)08:03
jhutchinsksivaji: apt-get install alien, then read the docs it installs (man alien, /user/share/doc/alien).08:03
ksivajijhutchins ok08:03
ksivajiBluesKaj hi08:03
jhutchinsksivaji: RPM systems do things differently, put things in different places, and it often doesn't work.08:04
arun_anyone know any good wiki apps?08:05
BluesKajhi ksivaji08:05
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arun_hey ksivaji, whats up08:05
vzduchsomeone just said that there are currently som MD5sum problems w/ *buntu pkgs, e.g. flashplugin-nonfree.. didn't notice any myself yet, but is that true?08:06
Darkrift411anyone know any good OCR programs?08:06
ksivajihi arun_ nothing just playing games08:07
chaotici basically have the cedega root  open where should i extract it to08:07
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Stantonoh dint work08:08
WhtWolfTeraDynearun_: Wiki apps? As in a Wiki itself? or what?08:09
arun_WhtWolfTeraDyne: Yeah, I mean wiki software08:10
arun_like mediawiki08:10
BluesKajStanton, have you installed the right drivers for your graphics card or are you just using the generic pnp one ?08:10
WhtWolfTeraDynehttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki < My favorite08:10
ksivajihow to change screen resolution08:10
WhtWolfTeraDyneBesides mediawiki, I don't know.08:10
ksivajiBluesKaj  jhutchins08:11
arun_ksivaji: go to system settings > display08:12
ksivajiarun_ no it is not there08:12
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arun_WhtWolfTeraDyne: If I install MediaWiki and then later I have to move servers, is it easy (and documented) to move my database, etc?08:13
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arun_ksivaki: of course it is08:13
arun_system settings > monitor and settings08:13
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WhtWolfTeraDynearun_: No idea. I run it on my personal server, and haven't had to move it.08:13
ksivajiarun_ no08:13
BluesKajk-menu/sys settings/monitor&display/08:14
Dragon_1212yo ive got a question is it possible to get a viruse or spyware on Ubuntu?08:14
Dragon_1212i need to kno08:14
ksivajiBluesKaj no08:14
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WhtWolfTeraDyneDragon_1212: No. Not as of this moment08:15
Dragon_1212just wondering08:15
ksivajiDragon_1212 linux if free from viuus08:15
Dragon_1212and spyware?08:15
WhtWolfTeraDyneYou could get a windows one an pass it on, but other than that, nothing yet.08:15
Dragon_1212wht about those08:15
BluesKajksivaji, you have no system settings application in the k-menu ?08:15
WhtWolfTeraDyneDragon_1212: No Spyware or malware either. It is possible to get a rootkit, but you'd have to actively install it yourself, and even that would be a pain.08:16
ksivajiBluesKaj ya setting is there08:16
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NickPrestaDragon_1212, Linux is not immune to destructive applications/scripts when run as root, however. so don't execute anything as root unless you trust it and don't login/use root for no reason.08:16
WhtWolfTeraDynepain to do*08:16
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BluesKajksivaji, then open system settings08:16
arun_do Dell laptops come with a rootkit installed?08:17
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miltosanyone know where to copy softcam.key in kaffeine in order to see satellite channels?08:17
vzduchadd to that the fact that *buntu doesn't have any services running by default that connect to or can be connected to from the outside world08:17
annkaswhat do I write to format a hd? I've ran cfdisk and made a fat32 partition. The device is /dev/sda08:17
vzduchapart from the Internet connection, that is08:17
Darkrift411no arun_08:18
vzduchannkas: sudo mkvfat /dev/sda would be a good try08:18
ksivajiBluesKaj ya i didnt notice properly sorry08:18
WhtWolfTeraDynearun_: no. If they dellbunto computers came with a rootkit, they could be sued.08:18
WhtWolfTeraDyneI give up.08:18
annkasvzduch: hmm, didn't work08:19
arun_not the dellbuntu08:19
arun_i'm talking standard dell computers08:19
arun_with vista08:19
annkasvzduch: what about: mkfs vfat /dev/sda08:19
WhtWolfTeraDynearun_: Depends on your point of view... *smack*08:20
WhtWolfTeraDynearun_: To be serious, no, it doesn't as far as I'm aware.08:20
jhutchinsWhtWolfTeraDyne: You in kck?08:21
WhtWolfTeraDynejhutchins: ?08:21
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vzduchannkas: mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda08:21
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WhtWolfTeraDyneAh. KS. No, I'm in AR.08:22
annkasvzduch: COMMAND DOESN'T EXIST08:22
WhtWolfTeraDyneOr... what do you mean... >_>;08:22
vzduchannkas: then put sudo in front08:22
annkassorry my capitol letters08:22
vzduchcapitol letters? did you steal them in Washington? :D08:23
annkasvzduch: I am root08:23
vzduchor replace 'mkdosfs' by 'mkfs.vfat'08:23
jhutchinsannkas: When making changes in the system itself, you allways need "root" access, for which you use sudo in konsole and kdesu for GUI apps.  We often forget to include that in suggestions, especially since some of us have been doing this since before that was the way to get root access.08:24
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Stantonok dint work08:24
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jhutchinsannkas: If you became root via "su", log out and try again with "su -" to get the full root environment.  You can really screw up the system running as "su" only.08:25
annkasmkfs vfat /dev/sda08:25
annkasmke2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)08:25
annkasmkfs.ext2: felaktigt blockantal - /dev/sda08:25
Stantonor as root all the time..08:25
Stantonlike me!08:25
Stantoni cant get a freaken gui to show.08:25
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Stantondue to it being ether super low res or high unno wich08:26
vzduchannkas: don't forget the dot08:26
Stantonhow do i reset monitor settings to plug and play?08:26
jhutchinsStanton: Logged in as your usual user and to startx.  Ignore the bad device errors and see what else you get?08:26
Stantonmy monitor08:26
Stantoni cant08:26
Stantonos not giveing errors08:26
Stantonmonitor is08:27
annkasvzduch: mkfs.vfat: command not found08:27
miltosanyone know where to copy softcam.key in kaffeine in order to see satellite channels?08:27
jhutchinsStanton: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg08:27
Stantonsoo sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  one line?08:27
jhutchinsStanton: Ctrl-Alt-F1 for plain console08:27
jhutchinsStanton: Yes.08:28
Stantonyea i use f1...08:28
WhtWolfTeraDyneO_O; I just heard something odd on the police scanner in my room. It sounded like the Ubuntu startup sound...08:28
chaoticSelecting previously deselected package cedega-small.08:28
chaotic(Reading database ... 92171 files and directories currently installed.)08:28
chaoticUnpacking cedega-small (from cedega-small_6.0_all.deb) ...08:28
chaoticdpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega-small:08:28
chaotic cedega-small depends on python-gtk2 (>= 2.6); however:08:28
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chaotic  Package python-gtk2 is not installed.08:28
vzduchannkas: 'aptitude search dosfstools'.. seems you don't have those installed; if it shows 'p' at the start of the line they aren't08:28
WhtWolfTeraDyne!pastebin | chaotic08:29
ubotuchaotic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)08:29
chaotic cedega-small depends on python-glade2; however:08:29
chaotic  Package python-glade2 is not installed.08:29
chaoticdpkg: error processing cedega-small (--install):08:29
chaotic dependency problems - leaving unconfigured08:29
chaoticErrors were encountered while processing:08:29
chaotic cedega-small08:29
chaoticdo i need those pkges08:29
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chaoticah sorry08:29
Stantonok soo go to linux alt ctl f1 login then typ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg08:30
Stantonmaken sure i wrote on paper right.08:30
vzduchchaotic: install the dependencies, then run 'dpkg --configure cedega-small'08:30
chaotici   dosfstools                      - Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT f08:30
charles__how do i start the 915 resolution on every log in, I have edited the sudo nano /etc/default/915resolution how do i save that?08:30
Stantonallrighty then i'll hopefly be back in linux08:30
Stantonoh allso08:30
Stantonill ask when i am back08:31
annkasvzduch: think I nedd dosftools,08:31
vzduchannkas: then install dosfstools08:31
wolferinewhat can I use to burn a CD, from mp3s?08:32
wolferineK3B wants me to make them into .wavs first08:32
erovyou dont have the multimedia codecs... someone throw that up...08:32
erovits a legal thing.. you have to install the patented/licensed multimedia codecs seperately08:33
ubotuFor multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats08:33
wolferineno, it wants me to make .wavs08:33
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about resoltuion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi08:33
ubotuThe X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto08:33
wolferinei have all the codecs already08:33
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erovthat's strange then..08:33
wolferinenot really08:33
wolferineits not an mp3 CD08:33
erovi can drag mp3s and it make an audio cd08:34
erovi guess im not understanding..08:34
WhtWolfTeraDyneActually, I think he needs libmad. I know that it needed it for MP3 decoding when I compiled my custom K3B package...08:34
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wolferineuse K3b?08:34
erovlet me see something..08:35
vzduchchocolate vla.. *yummy*08:35
wolferinei just used Serperntine08:35
WhtWolfTeraDynewolferine: Install "libk3b2-mp3"08:35
wolferinelooks like it just fine08:35
arun_there's an app called serpentine?08:36
serpentusjhutchins: Hi, Ok I blacklisted, but it didn't work.... So I went to /lib/modules/.../kernel and etc...and deleted all the via modules, that did the trick... Thanks A lot for getting started!08:36
WhtWolfTeraDyneThat's the k3B mp3decoder package08:36
wolferinearun_, correct08:36
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WhtWolfTeraDyneGah... I can't type today...08:36
arun_wolferine: sounds wicked08:36
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wolferineinstall it then :P08:36
WhtWolfTeraDynearun_: It's the gnome audio CD creator, IIRC.08:36
wolferinethanks WhtWolfTeraDyne that wasnt added yet :)08:37
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arun_WhtWolfTeraDyne: if you dont mind my asking, is mediawiki easy to install, run and maintain on a daily basis?08:37
erovlibk3b2-mp3 yeah thats it08:37
wolferineyeah, got it installing erov08:37
wolferinebut using Serpentine instead :)08:37
erovi had that same problem.. when i first installed it a couple years ago08:37
WhtWolfTeraDynearun_: Since I don't use it in a public environment, I can't give you any info there. But for my private network usage, it's easy.08:38
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azzurroi have a problem about recordmydesktop08:39
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WhtWolfTeraDyneO_o; That's odd. It says I have libk3b2-mp3 installed, but I don't remember doing so...08:39
azzurrothe only thing i can see after record is a blue screen08:39
BluesKajcan kaffeine capture video from my tvtuner card ?08:39
Ursinhahi all08:39
azzurroany help??08:39
Ursinhai'm having a problem with automount08:40
Ursinhato one user it works, but for another it doesn't08:40
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azzurrowhich codecs must i install for the recormydesktop08:41
azzurroor for the ogg files08:41
azzurroogg video files08:42
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azzurrocoz i cant see them08:42
Ursinhaazzurro, i think that the ogg codecs were installed by default08:42
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azzurroUrsinha: but the only thing that i can see is a blue screen08:42
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Ursinhaazzurro, strange08:44
azzurrohave tried?08:45
azzurrovery strange08:45
azzurrovideo card is intel 915 gm08:45
azzurroUrsinha : also the same problem when changing the desktop with beryl08:46
agm_i installed audacity its runing fine but i cant see any text in menu or when i right click same for dillo and xmms ?08:46
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azzurrook one more problem....08:48
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azzurrofor the warzone 2100 all the colors are all blue tones08:50
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azzurrountill the map opens everything is normal but after08:50
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persendo i need to have kde (xserver) running in order to log in with freenx?08:54
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arun_Um is there way to have separate taskbars for separate desktops?08:54
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Lynourearun_: I haven't ran into one, at least, so I don't think one can...08:56
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Lynourearun_: oh, just the taskbar? There is an option in there for what to show, I think08:56
Lynourearun_: yes: Show windows from all desktops (boolean) and Sort windows by desktop (boolean) can help08:57
arun_oh really?08:57
arun_where do i change that setting08:57
arun_oh got it08:58
Lynourearun_: in the task bar options: rightclick on the applet handle and choose configure08:58
arun_yay it works08:58
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Lynourearun_: :)08:58
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imagineI'm having quite an odd problem here... kacpid takes 40% of my proc... while my computer is on Idle.. any idea?08:59
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imagineMy lapto pis unusable.. would be nice to get some backup09:00
arun_Lynoure: you have no idea how happy this makes me :p09:00
Lynoureimagine: checking that modules fan and thermal are loaded?09:01
imaginemodprobe .. .?09:01
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Lynourearun_: I think I do. I remember how happy it made me when I found my 3 panel perfect combo :)09:01
Lynoure...and found out how to set them, so that they are visible when I want them to be and only then.09:02
arun_Lynoure: I have just realised how useful multiple desktops can be09:02
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arun_i've been kubuntu for quite a while and i just realised it09:03
arun_i just disabled the desktops and kept one, initially09:03
arun_now that i've figured out the taskbar thing as well, this is great!09:03
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Lynourearun_: Good things sometimes take a bit time to get noticed. I'm happy for you.09:03
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chaoticif i download cedega  on torrent will it work09:04
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imagineLynoure: how do I check if the module is working09:04
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Stantonok all i get is a black screen now09:06
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BluesKajStanton, which graphics card do you have ?09:07
StantonNvidia geforce 615009:07
BluesKajand the drivers for it are installed?09:08
Stantonnvidia glx09:08
Stantoni might reinstall linux09:08
Stantonor is there an recovery mode like windows?09:09
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Stantonjust resets every thing back to install defualts cept keeps installed programs?09:09
pavonHi, I went to remove kate (I don't like it and removing it is easier than changing the file associations of everthing that is assigned to it), and when I did so apt-get wanted to remove all of kde (kde-core, kdebase, kubuntu-desktop)! Is this normal?09:10
BluesKajisn't that the generic pnp nvidia driver ? is the geforce 6150 listed in the graphics card hardware in system settings09:10
Stantonthen agen ya talking to some one whom managed to install ircii but couldnt start it.09:10
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Stantonits listed09:10
Stantoni think09:10
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Stantonmaybe try legacy?09:11
WhtWolfTeraDynepavon: Yes, that's normal. Kate is a part of KDE itself.09:11
Stantonsudo apt-get Nvidia-glx-legacy ?09:11
Stantonallso how do i start ircii09:11
BluesKajyou should be using the the driver for that card inb the list to get the most out of yourvideo and monitor settings09:11
Stantonbut i was never able to find09:11
Stantonand i dont know how to install ones from nvidia's website09:12
Stantonright now i just want an imagen to show so i can do some thing09:12
Stantonand to get ircii working so i dont switch betiwn vista and linux all the time09:12
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GerritWhere is the dir_colors configuration file located on a fresh Ubuntu installation?09:12
arunkaleanyone here use project looking glass?09:13
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BluesKajStanton, system settings/monitor&display/admin mode /hardware/graphics card/configure09:14
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pavonOkay, one other question that I couldn't find online - is there a way to disable konqueror from asking to save passwords?09:14
Stantonand i have to typ that?09:14
Stantonoh man need bigger paper..09:14
BluesKajcopy and paste Stanton09:14
Stantonam in vista09:14
Stantoni wasnt able to start ircii09:15
Stantoni dont know how.09:15
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Tm_TStanton: ircII you mean?09:15
Stantonor look in vista?09:15
persendo i need to have kde (xserver) running in order to log in with freenx?09:15
BluesKajStanton, irssi09:16
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pollyoAnyone else lose flash player ability with the latet update?09:21
chaoticsudo apt-get libmad009:21
chaoticE: Invalid operation libmad009:21
chaoticwhats that about09:21
Stantonbrb then maybe09:21
vzduchchaotic: you forgot something important :)09:21
pollyochaotic: Do you need an "install" argument or something like that?09:22
BluesKajpollyo, yeah I went with the nonfree version in synaptic09:22
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pollyoBluesKaj: Ok.  I'll look into that.  (thank you)09:22
rewolf_laptopargh - why do i lose my titlebars with beryl09:22
evilmmdid you edit you xorg?09:23
arunkalerewolf_laptop: there's a quickfix for that09:23
rewolf_laptopya.. ?09:24
rewolf_laptopno didnt edit xorg09:24
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arunkalerewolf_laptop: hold on, will have the fix for you in a sec09:24
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chaotichey how do ubuntu used   install nvidia drivers09:25
arunkalerewolf_laptop: you're using nvidia drivers, right?09:25