[12:15] <raylu> gedit...but you should consider #ubuntu
[12:15] <ARM9> I don't want kubutu
[12:15] <ARM9> oh
[12:15] <stdin> gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[12:15] <ARM9> lol sorry
[12:15] <runlevelten> change Option "Composite" "Disable" to Option "Composite" "Enable"
[12:16] <persen__> in kubuntu, what is the equivalent of, System->Administration->Login Screen Setup (ubuntu)
[12:16] <runlevelten> funny, I was just about to mention composite after looking at this page http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=136015
[12:16] <runlevelten> it was the only thing weird I could see about the working T2e setup there
[12:17] <raylu> alt+f1 > system settings > advanced > login manager
[12:17] <runlevelten> alt F2 kcontrol -> sys admin -> login manager
[12:20] <persen__> tnx
[12:22] <Gerrit> Xorg is using all the CPU. I restarted it but it still does. I've experienced it before and rebooting solved the problem, but is there a step 'less' than I can try?
[12:23] <tapas> is any other process eating coniderable amount of cpu?
[12:23] <tapas> like > 5%?
[12:27] <vamp898> !deutsch
[12:27] <ubotu> Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[12:31] <ARM9> Hey I need help restoring my installation as it was before I installed kubuntu-desktop (autoremove doesn't seem to do it all).
[12:31] <ARM9> Any online docs?
[12:32] <jhutchins> ARM9: They'd probably know in ubuntu.
[12:32] <ARM9> Ok.
[12:32] <facugaich> ARM9: there are a bunch of topics about it in ubuntu's forums, let me search
[12:32] <jhutchins> ARM9: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[12:33] <ARM9> Ah thanks.
[12:34] <ARM9> jhutschins: That'll remove a lot of the standard things I had on ubuntu it seems. :S
[12:35] <ARM9> (even tho it has install ubuntu-desktop at the end, but that thinks I have the latest update right?)
[12:35] <keitare> can anyone help me with getting my wifi card to work
[12:35] <keitare> can anyone help me with getting my wifi card to work
[12:36] <Jemidon> hi, can anyone help me with getting my DVD ROM drive to read PC-DVD ROM cds
[12:38] <runlevelten> Can anyone suggest a way to make mosquitos die in agony?
[12:38] <runlevelten> *preferably in a non-interactive way
[12:38] <vzduch> lol
[12:39] <Jemidon> runlevelten: i've found that spraying them with Lysol is a fun way to watch them die
[12:39] <Jemidon> :->
[12:41] <Sanne> that's cruel and not funny
[12:42] <Jemidon> i find it quite charitable toward the species known as mosquitos, i could kill them with bug spray, but lysol prolongs their death
[12:43] <Jemidon> or if you want to get adventureous (sp) you could get a torch and spray the lysol at them...although i'd suggest being in open quarters
[12:43] <Jemidon> :->
[12:43] <Sanne> I really don't think this is the right place to discuss the torturing of animals.
[12:45] <Jemidon> ok, i'll go join the PETA forums and discuss the torture of insects :-)
[12:47] <ARM9> Shit, it didn't work... I pressed yes when it asked if I wanted to delete KDM daemon (which made it go into fault secure mode)
[12:47] <ARM9> Send the link again so I wont do the same misstake..
[12:47] <Jemidon> since we're no longer discussing the torture of animals...anyone know how to make my dvd rom read the contents of a PC-DVD?
[12:47] <ARM9> eh nvm I got it
[12:49] <runlevelten> wot's lysol?
[12:49] <ARM9> Now I'm fixing this...
[12:50] <zipper> if i have some files in a dir, how do i easily find the file that is the newest?
[12:50] <Jemidon> Lysol is a disinfectant
[12:51] <runlevelten> Sanne: mosquitos are not animals, they are constantly killing millions of children with the diseases they spread, the world would be much better off if they were permanently eradicated :P
[12:51] <Sanne> zipper: I just use konqueror, sort by modified date. I guess you could use 'find' on the command line too.
[12:52] <runlevelten> Anyway: does anyone know of a kubuntu build of the K Menu with the finder in it?
[12:53] <raylu> what finder?
[12:53] <raylu> and you mean a kde build
[12:54] <Sanne> runlevelten: mosquitos are life. If you take it, it's gone. I don't think they're spreading disease conciously. Even iif it may be necessary to kill them for another species (us) to live, it's still sick to make cruel jokes about it.
[12:54] <runlevelten> Not sick. Some people have weird pro-animal agenda. That's not on-topic at all.
[12:54] <zipper> Sanne, hmm okay, thx
[12:55] <runlevelten> raylu: the find as you type text field
[12:55] <raylu> like vista's start menu?
[12:55] <runlevelten> No idea, I've never touched Vista.
[12:55] <Sanne> runlevelten: as much on topic as making those jokes about killing mosquitos in the first place. But I had my say, I'll shut up now about it.
[12:55] <runlevelten> Sanne: thank goodness
[12:56] <Sanne> runlevelten: that was unnecessary
[12:56] <raylu> show me something about this finder, please?
[12:56] <runlevelten> raylu: not the big massive kmenu rewrite, the normal kmenu but with the find as you type text field in it
[12:56] <raylu> right..but i've never seen a find as you type
[12:56] <raylu> except for katapult
[12:56] <runlevelten> an opensuse patch
[12:56] <raylu> so could you link me to something (screenshot) of it?
[12:57] <runlevelten> katapault is the alt-f2 dialog reskinned, but the kmenu finder... hang on I'll find a screenie :)
[12:57] <raylu> lol...its a little more than that reskinned...
[12:59] <runlevelten> Really? Cool, I must have another look at it, because I haven't found anything it does that the alt f2 dialog doesn't do yet
[12:59] <runlevelten> must have missed stuff =)
[01:02] <mo0osah> if i use live cd to make ubuntu partition smaller and windows partition bigger would it mess up my boot loader?
[01:02] <raylu> no
[01:03] <raylu> your boot loader references partition numbers
[01:03] <raylu> not cylinder numbers
[01:05] <runlevelten> Aha - found one: http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/3674/part22wl.jpg
[01:05] <pchilds> I finally got my soundblaster live card to play all channels instead of just the two of my speaker setup. I am loving it. Woohoo. Now this is sound the way it should be.
[01:05] <runlevelten> It is extremely cool - very useful for work, very quick and intuitive
[01:05] <fred1599> bonjour
[01:06] <runlevelten> hi fred1599
[01:06] <fred1599> :)
[01:06] <fred1599> hi
[01:06] <fred1599> i am in difficult runlevelten
[01:07] <runlevelten> That was the sweet spot for the K Menu. I can't deal with stupid slab rubbish, which I find gets in the way massively
[01:07] <runlevelten> what's up fred1599?
[01:07] <raylu> oh...kde4?
[01:07] <raylu> (can't read that tiny text)
[01:07] <fred1599> i don't know to install for my printer Epson stylus Photo R245
[01:07] <runlevelten> Sorry, not many screenies around of it. Can you see the text field?
[01:08] <fred1599> i am with kubuntu 7.04
[01:08] <runlevelten> that does instant find like the amarok thing, it finds multiple menus, and it works for speculative searches - ie if you want all apps with "gl" in the name of the program, or the menu entry
[01:09] <runlevelten> using the k menu without it afterwards is almost painful, heh
[01:09] <fred1599> R245 is no compatible with linux
[01:10] <fred1599> but...
[01:10] <fred1599> perhaps a solution?
[01:10] <runlevelten> I have a stylus rx425 which works with it
[01:10] <runlevelten> stylus photo*
[01:10] <fred1599> yes
[01:10] <raylu> runlevelten, yes, but how do i get it? is it kde4-only?
[01:10] <raylu> (and that is the vista one, btw :P)
[01:11] <runlevelten> It's a Novell patch I believe
[01:11] <runlevelten> not sure if it got merged
[01:11] <fred1599> ??? patch novell
[01:11] <pchilds> I want to know what is the best route for data encryption or password protecting folders in ubuntu?
[01:12] <runlevelten> fred1599: you need to find the appropriate drivers - my epson stylus photo is running on SuSE happily but I had to copy across the cups drivers for ubuntu as they weren't included
[01:12] <persen__> !vpn
[01:12] <ubotu> From more information on vpn please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Gaming_VPN_Using_PPTPD
[01:13] <vzduch> openSUSE has a package 'manufacturer-ppds' (I think it's called that).. perhaps you could alien it
[01:14] <persen__> Why is the title "Gaming VPN Using PPTPD" ?? Has it something with playing games?
[01:14] <persen__> nvm
[01:14] <persen__> !vnc
[01:14] <ubotu> VNC is a protocol for remote desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNCOverSSH describes how to use it securely.  It works best over fast connections, otherwise look at !FreeNX
[01:14] <persen__> !FreeNX
[01:14] <ubotu> FreeNX is advanced remote desktop technology. For more information and install instructions, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeNX
[01:15] <runlevelten> Is anyone aware of how we enable the nice swish text completion in the run dialog on kubuntu?
[01:15] <runlevelten> at the moment I just get this win98-like dropdown thing.
[01:16] <runlevelten> Oh, and the kinfocenter parts don't all work either. :\
[01:17] <raylu> o.0
[01:17] <runlevelten> Man, there's a lot of work to be done to get this KDE up to scratch with other distros.
[01:17] <raylu> that'd be nice
[01:17] <raylu> you mean with other managers?
[01:18] <runlevelten> Oh well, I guess I'd better get a build environment set up and chalk in some time to do it myself ^^
[01:18] <runlevelten> All the work is done, as other distros have it, so instead of moaning about it, I should fix it, heh
[01:19] <runlevelten> trouble is, the voice from the dark side says "don't do all that, just install another distro and get on with work", heh
[01:20] <raylu> o.0?
[01:20] <raylu> we're using an outdated kde?
[01:21] <runlevelten> raylu: Nah, just missing some of the better patches
[01:21] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> raylu: 3.5.7 is latest in the 3.x line. Latest Kubuntu KDE, outside of adding the special repo, is 3.5.6.
[01:22] <raylu> is .7 a bugfix update?
[01:22] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> raylu: no idea.
[01:22] <Jemidon> Hi, can anyone help me get The Sims 2 installed under Wine?
[01:23] <runlevelten> still, this is very snappy compared to KDE on openSuSE
[01:23] <runlevelten> noticeably so
[01:24] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Jemidon: might be best to ask in #winehq
[01:24] <Jemidon> WhtWolfTeraDyne: Thanks, i'm new to IRC
[01:24] <runlevelten> Jemidon: You have very little chance of success
[01:25] <runlevelten> if not *no* chance of success at this point
[01:26] <bad3r> hi
[01:26] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> bad3r: hi
[01:27] <runlevelten> hello bad3r
[01:27] <bad3r> im  good :|
[01:27] <bad3r> and you runlevelten
[01:28] <runlevelten> well.
[01:29] <bad3r>       ^_^
[01:30] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> bad3r: english only, please.
[01:30] <vzduch> !ar
[01:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ar - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:31] <bad3r> WhtWolfTeraDyne   --  im  ksa
[01:33] <koosoli> hola
[01:34] <carutsu> !es > koosoli
[01:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> O_O; lagged out...
[01:56] <gan|y|med> hi
[01:57] <drowningAndGrade> pour sugar in tractors
[01:57] <drowningAndGrade> just dump sugar in tractors
[01:57] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> ? Did #kubuntu-offtopic change it's name? It's just about as dead here as it usually is there...
[01:58] <gan|y|med> is there any good site about kubuntu-beryl integration?
[01:58] <drowningAndGrade> just dump sugar in tractors if you have to work there
[01:58] <drowningAndGrade> just fil up the godamn tank witgh sugar
[01:58] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> gan|y|med: You might ask in #ubuntu-effects . They know more about beryl than most here.
[01:58] <drowningAndGrade> have that BEET
[01:59] <drowningAndGrade> im from the north
[01:59] <drowningAndGrade> and japan
[01:59] <drowningAndGrade> world war two
[01:59] <drowningAndGrade> nazis
[01:59] <drowningAndGrade> and qhite idiots
[01:59] <gan|y|med> thx
[01:59] <drowningAndGrade> how do i continue programming direct x 3d levels in linux?
[02:00] <drowningAndGrade> or else imna go infect john deer with sugar
[02:00] <drowningAndGrade> im from the north
[02:00] <drowningAndGrade> god damn i am if your gonna tell me about my mother fuckin land wn\and havin sdome pride about who i am
[02:01] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !ohmy
[02:01] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[02:01] <drowningAndGrade> god mother fiucker god fuckin f\dam i learn im a man and i freed slavery from this mother fuckin land with a war and alkl
[02:01] <drowningAndGrade> teach me how to complete more levels in linus in 3d or oiill infect tractors with fuckin sugar
[02:01] <drowningAndGrade> you hear me bitch?
[02:01] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> drowningAndGrade: I'll call the ops if you don't stop
[02:01] <dsmith> ? wtf
[02:03] <zipper> lol
[02:03] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> dsmith: don't ask me. He was going off the handle since I got back and shortly before you got here
[02:03] <zipper> drowningAndGrade, dude really, whats wrong with you?
[02:05] <dsmith> do a whois on him
[02:05] <not-Timmay> how can i stream music off the web?
[02:05] <dsmith> !streamtuner
[02:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about streamtuner - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[02:05] <runlevelten> mplayer
[02:05] <dsmith> streamtuner works wonders
[02:05] <dsmith> no config
[02:06] <dsmith> just pick a stream
[02:06] <dsmith> and let it rip
[02:06] <dsmith> well record I meant
[02:06] <runlevelten> mplayer -dumpstream <MRL>
[02:06] <runlevelten> ;)
[02:06] <dsmith> click click.. done
[02:06] <dsmith> :P
[02:07] <runlevelten> clicking stuff takes a long time =)
[02:07] <dsmith> in linux I bet there is like 5 diffeent ways to do the very same thing
[02:07] <runlevelten> each to their own, I say! :D
[02:07] <dsmith> exactly!
[02:07] <dsmith> *smack* off of my streamtuner....
[02:08] <runlevelten> example - my missus doesn't want to use mplayer in a shell, she uses nice GUI apps
[02:08] <dsmith> I love GUIs
[02:08] <runlevelten> on the other hand, the time it takes me to type mpl(tab) -dumpstream shift-insert is about 1/10th of what it takes to start the GUI app
[02:09] <dsmith> lol
[02:09] <runlevelten> so I'm happy too (and about halfway through downloading it when streamtuner would appear)
[02:09] <dsmith> at work I have installed a kubuntu iso running it acrosds the network
[02:10] <dsmith> using virtual box
[02:13] <K-Ryan2> What's the package for flash?
[02:14] <dsmith> !flash
[02:14] <ubotu> To install Flash see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats/Flash - Flash 9 is now available in dapper-backports and edgy-backports - See also !Restricted and !Gnash
[02:15] <dsmith> !ubotu
[02:15] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[02:21] <not-Timmay> ok it's not working...can someone help me with it real quick?
[02:23] <runlevelten> right, Ten out. night all.
[02:25] <tepossino> hello there
[02:25] <tepossino> i have an easy question just installed ubuntu :-)
[02:25] <tepossino> what is the default root pw? :-)
[02:26] <not-Timmay> sudo passwd root
[02:26] <tepossino> tnx
[02:26] <not-Timmay> np
[02:26] <tepossino> second and last question
[02:27] <dsmith> root pw: BillGates shhhhh....
[02:27] <Minataku> DO NOT USE ROOT FOR EVERYDAY TASKS
[02:27] <Sanne> !root | tepossino
[02:27] <ubotu> tepossino: do not try to guess the root password, that is impossible. Instead, realise the truth.. there is no root password. Then you will see that it is sudo that grants you access and not the root password. Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo
[02:27] <Doug1> Hi all, I was wondering how I create a thunderbird shortcut on my desktop or taskbar.  I can run it through konsole but if i hit ctrl+c or exit the konsole, thunderbird dies
[02:27] <tepossino> how do i secure this thing.... as fara as i know there could be an herd of elephnats inside my pc now... ;-)
[02:27] <not-Timmay> no need
[02:27] <not-Timmay> it's secured...
[02:27] <not-Timmay> i'm helping with that :)
[02:28] <dsmith> Doug1: go to the application, right click to place on desktop
[02:28] <not-Timmay> just start typing stuf like your SSN and stuff
[02:28] <Doug1> thank you
[02:28] <shadowhywind> ok i sware, the more i try to edit my fstab, the farther away i get from my actraul goal.. What is a normal fstab line for a vfat with rw?
[02:28] <dsmith> tepossino: thar, be a herrd of pengiuns.
[02:28] <not-Timmay> lol
[02:28] <dsmith> Doug1: your welcome
[02:28] <not-Timmay> shadowhywind: quit while you're ahead ;)
[02:28] <tepossino> hmmm  sounds like i have a silver bullet of a business desktop PC now ;-)
[02:29] <tepossino> great
[02:29] <shadowhywind> *snickers*
[02:29] <dsmith> tepossino: I have 5 machines at the office installed w/ kubuntu
[02:29] <shadowhywind> so any tips to help?
[02:29] <Doug1> dsmith: it doesn't run now
[02:30] <not-Timmay> ont really, sorry
[02:30] <tepossino> uh i have 3000 servers at my "office" :-)
[02:30] <dsmith> Doug1: does the application run when you click on the application link
[02:30] <tepossino> anyway i'll work on this kubuntu I promeise
[02:30] <tepossino> thanks for your help
[02:30] <not-Timmay> hey can anyone help me so I can stream audio off a website?
[02:31] <dsmith> tepossino: I have 3000 servers as well and one mean blad server named "Billy"
[02:31] <dsmith> *blade
[02:31] <tepossino> lol dsmith
[02:31] <Doug1> dsmith: when i launch the script from the thunderbird folder it boots like a new account setup
[02:31] <dsmith> Doug1: did you setup Tbird already?
[02:32] <not-Timmay> does anyone stream audio off a website here?
[02:32] <Doug1> yes i launched it through konsole and set up my servers.  everything is reset now though
[02:32] <dsmith> hmmmm
[02:33] <dsmith> where is the folder?
[02:33] <Doug1> /home/doug/thunderbird
[02:33] <dsmith> how many acounst do you have in that folder
[02:33] <dsmith> *accounts
[02:34] <Doug1> in home i only have one it's doug
[02:34] <dsmith> does it say default?
[02:35] <Doug1> where would it say default?
[02:35] <dsmith> here is my directory lsiting, appreg  Archive.tar.gz  profiles.ini  profiles.ini~  tse8rk58.default
[02:36] <dsmith> tbird should not be giving alot of troubles
[02:36] <dsmith> it can be minorly quirky at times
[02:37] <Doug1> yeah sorry.  i'm coming from xp and vista so one quick question is the thunderbird shell script file the one i want to copy to my desktop?
[02:37] <dsmith> no
[02:37] <tepossino> hmmm.... do i need root privileges to modify xorg.conf? I only get 800x600 .... reminds me of 1987....
[02:37] <dsmith> what ver. ubuntu?
[02:38] <Doug1> kubuntu feisty fawn
[02:38] <dsmith> tepossino: of course
[02:38] <tepossino> ok thx
[02:39] <dsmith> Doug1: how did you install tbird?
[02:39] <tzanger> ok, I just want to say that the network monitor that is able to tell when I've unplugged and gone wireless or vice-versa after a suspend/resume cycle... that rocks
[02:39] <tzanger> ROCKS
[02:39] <not-Timmay> is kaffeine able to stream audio?
[02:39] <dsmith> not-Timmay: try streamtuner
[02:40] <not-Timmay> k
[02:40] <not-Timmay> how do i make it stream a website audio?
[02:40] <dsmith> Which website
[02:41] <not-Timmay> http://www.98kupd.com/
[02:41] <Doug1> dsmith: I tried untarring it in one location, didn't work, tried it in my home/doug and it worked. i used konsole to download whatever packages were needed and then i wrote cd /home/doug/thunderbird then ./thunderbird and the application popped up, but konsole didn't bring a new prompt i had to use ctrl+c, but that would quit thunderbird
[02:42] <not-Timmay> or http://www.knixcountry.com/main.html
[02:42] <dsmith> not-Timmay: sorry, I thought that streamtuner did give an option to type in a URL
[02:43] <dsmith> I just looked and could not find an option
[02:44] <dsmith> Doug1: gimmie a few mins
[02:44] <Doug1> dsmith: ok do you want the error code that konsole gives?
[02:44] <dsmith> no
[02:45] <Doug1> ok
[02:45] <dsmith> did you download from thw website or via apt-get?
[02:45] <not-Timmay> who?
[02:46] <Doug1> website and then i looked on forums (very difficult btw) and it told me to keep doing these apt-get
[02:46] <Doug1> things for different packages
[02:46] <Doug1> i untarred the tar.gz from mozilla
[02:46] <dsmith> ok...
[02:47] <dsmith> in linux most of what you need especially in the version that your using Fiesty; you can download from Add/Remove programs
[02:48] <dsmith> your using kubuntu?
[02:48] <Doug1> yes
[02:48] <tepossino> now.... a question dawns... why didnt it recognize that i can have 1024x768? so that i can spend my week-end modifying xorg.conf perhaps?
[02:48] <dsmith> ok clean of the thunderbird folder under your home directory
[02:48] <Doug1> alright
[02:49] <dsmith> tepossino: I dont know
[02:49] <dsmith> i am at 1440x900
[02:49] <dsmith> 1600x1200 on the 20" at the office
[02:49] <tepossino> i am flabbergasted
[02:49] <dsmith> *sarcasm*
[02:49] <dsmith> lol
[02:50] <Doug1> k that's done i had to login as root though to remove it
[02:50] <tepossino> ok i'll shut up and go work on the xorg lol
[02:51] <dsmith> Doug1: ok, not goto, Add/Remove programs
[02:51] <dsmith> and run a search on thunderbird
[02:51] <Doug1> alright
[02:51] <Doug1> won't work
[02:51] <Doug1> needs to login as root
[02:52] <dsmith> yes
[02:52] <Doug1> but my root password that i use in konsole doesn't work
[02:52] <dsmith> stick your password in
[02:52] <dsmith> hmmmmm
[02:52] <dsmith> try the password you login in with
[02:52] <Doug1> didn't work
[02:52] <dsmith> thats odd
[02:53] <dsmith> open konsole
[02:53] <dsmith> and type passwd
[02:53] <dsmith> input your current one
[02:53] <Sanne> Doug1: if I may jump in a sec, open konsole and type: 'sudo k', after that try add/remove again.
[02:54] <Sanne> Doug1: soory: sudo -k
[02:55] <dsmith> Sanne: I was just about to ask you about that :)
[02:55] <Sanne> dsmith: you were? heh :)
[02:55] <Doug1> ok i actually gotta go somewhere.  thanks for all you're help.  i'll try again later, but none of it worked.  maybe i just need a fresh install
[02:55] <dsmith> i didn't look right
[02:56] <dsmith> Doug1: just do a reinstall of tbird
[02:56] <Sanne> dsmith: yup, hectic little fingers of mine tz tz :)
[02:56] <Doug1> ok will do, thanks
[02:56] <Doug1> /leave
[02:56] <dsmith> np
[02:56] <dsmith> kopete has irc?
[02:58] <Sanne> dsmith: I jumped in because sometimes kdesu won't work when the sudo timestamp is still valid. sudo -k resets this timestamp, and kdesu should work again. Sorry for the interruption.
[02:58] <dsmith> Sanne: np, I was helping the guy as he was new, like I was 8 months ago. This room was extremely helpful to me
[02:59] <dsmith> so enjoy returning the favor
[02:59] <dsmith> hmm kopete does have irc.....
[03:00] <Sanne> dsmith: isn't kopete using konversation as chat client?
[03:00] <dsmith> i dont know
[03:02] <dsmith> hmmmm go jabber protocol working
[03:02] <Sanne> no, doesn't seem like it uses konversation. I guess I was confusing it with another application.
[03:03] <facugaich> By the way, how do I configure kopete  to login automatically?
[03:03] <Biteyn-1> Can GRUB be set to boot a certain OS automaticly so on next boot it'll load ubuntu or windows automaticly?
[03:05] <dsmith> facugaich: I am not entirely sure on how to do that
[03:05] <facugaich> Biteyn-1: yes, check in the /boot/grub/menu.lst file the "default" option
[03:05] <Sanne> Biteyn-1: I only know how to do that via editing /boot/grub/menu.lst. It's a bit work, but you could do it.
[03:05] <Sanne> facugaich: :)
[03:06] <facugaich> dsmith: I don't want it to autostart, I want it to login automatically whenever I start it
[03:06] <Biteyn-1> and so next time it'll auto load ubuntu or windows?
[03:07] <Biteyn-1> and if i want to go back into ubuntu i just press f8 or something?
[03:10] <Sanne> Biteyn-1: there's an option to hide the boot menu, and to get it back, it says press ESC
[03:14] <Biteyn-1> sanne: so on boot up i just go to option before going into ubuntu?
[03:16] <Sanne> Biteyn-1: I understand that you would have to press ESC somewhere in the boot sequence (pretty early, I guess), then you'll get the boot menu where you can choose Ubuntu. The default you set would be still valid if you don't choose.
[03:17] <facugaich> Biteyn-1: Sanne is right
[03:17] <Sanne> :)
[03:22] <Biteyn-1> alright :D
[03:23] <chrisiajar> oh hi. anyone know how to make gstreamer work on kubuntu?
[03:32] <ShockValue> hi all.. this is my first go at (k)ubuntu.. im following the wiki on how to set up the fglrx ati driver.. but i think its written for gnome (?).  anyway, i have the driver installed, but i dont know how to activate it in KDE
[03:32] <raylu> er...
[03:32] <raylu> what step did you get to?
[03:32] <raylu> and you're looking at
[03:32] <raylu> !ati
[03:32] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[03:32] <raylu> right?
[03:33] <ShockValue> sudo apt-get install linux-restricted-modules-generic restricted-manager
[03:33] <yurimxpxman> konqueror won't let me set FLV files to always open with *anything*.. do any of you know what's up with that?
[03:33] <ShockValue> yes, thats the one im following.. but this part doesnt seem to make sense "in 7.04 "System -> Administration -> Restricted Drivers Manager" and select "ATI accelerated graphics driver". "
[03:34] <raylu> yurimxpxman, are you trying to set it for system-wide?
[03:34] <yurimxpxman> raylu: I'm just trying to do it for my own account, if that's what you mean
[03:35] <raylu> ShockValue, i think you should try the edgy instructions; you're on feisty, right?
[03:35] <ShockValue> so how do I 'turn on' fglrx in KDE?
[03:35] <ShockValue> correct
[03:35] <yurimxpxman> raylu: the option to always open that type of file with a program is disabled
[03:35] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: use the open radeon drivers
[03:35] <raylu> yurimxpxman, i haven't tried this with konqueror, but i suppose "kdesu konqueror" would let you set it...for system-wide
[03:35] <ShockValue> yurimxpxman: thanks for the sugggestion.  im trying to figure out how to use the fglrx drivers
[03:36] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: sudo kate /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[03:36] <ShockValue> ill jsut folow the edgy instructions
[03:36] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: find the driver section and change it to "fglrx", then save and restart X with CTRL+alt+backspace
[03:37] <ShockValue> kk, ill get that going.. now i just need to figure out how to get Amarok to play flac files, and I'll be in business >:)
[03:38] <yurimxpxman> ShockValue: as for the flac, just search synaptic for xine and check all the packages you want
[03:41] <ShockValue> cool thanks
[03:41] <ShockValue> lol, i love audiocd:/ kio .. its so slick :)
[03:47] <clouder> Is there a shortcut in konversation to cycle through open channels/servers?
[03:49] <K-Ryan> What's the plugin for flash in firefox?
[03:50] <raylu> it doesn't install automatically for you?
[03:51] <clouder> K-Ryan: I think all I did was install flash-plugin-nonfree and it worked
[03:51] <K-Ryan> clouder: flashplugin-nonfree isn't doing it for me =/
[03:54] <_Iamda> what are some other suggestions, other than yahoo or gmail?
[03:55] <guest_> kakakaka
[03:55] <guest_> ada k?
[03:56] <_Iamda> ok
[04:00] <ccoffey> does anyone have any expierence with fakeraid on the ICH7R ?
[04:05] <zolar> it there a easy way to turn gdm and kdm on and off?
[04:06] <Minataku> Yes
[04:06] <zolar> Minataku: how do you do it?
[04:06] <Minataku> I don't know, my distro uses a different init
[04:06] <Minataku> Let's see if the bot knows
[04:06] <Minataku> !init
[04:06] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:07] <Minataku> Ah, use that bum thing, and swap kdm and/or gdm in and out
[04:09] <zolar> thanks
[04:09] <Minataku> np
[04:11] <francis> !init
[04:11] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[04:11] <ardchoille> zolar: sudo /etc/init.d/*dm stop  (or "start", "restart") Is that what you wanted?
[04:11] <zolar> yes, but how do it.
[04:11] <ardchoille> zolar: sudo /etc/init.d/*dm stop
[04:12] <ardchoille> * = gdm or kdm
[04:12] <ardchoille> zolar: That stops the display manager, it doesn't prevent it from starting on reboot
[04:13] <zolar> what does?
[04:13] <ccoffey> dmraid can't seem to find my fakeraid, when booting the kernel, but from a live disc it does find it. I'm stuck at being unable to mount the root filesystem
[04:13] <Nyle> kubuntu sucks
[04:13] <clouder> glad we got that cleared up
[04:14] <ccoffey> :)
[04:14] <Nyle> well damn
[04:14] <Nyle> no one cares :/
[04:14] <Nyle> ok ok it doesn't suck
[04:15] <DaSkreech> Of kourse it does
[04:15] <DaSkreech> It has a k in it
[04:15] <Nyle> you mean to say kde sucks?
[04:15] <Nyle> why do you think so?
[04:15] <DaSkreech> zolar: the command that he just gave you
[04:15] <DaSkreech> !raid
[04:15] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[04:16] <ccoffey> DaSkreech: If that's directed at me, i've read those pages a few hundred times i'd say
[04:16] <Nyle> DaSkreech: why do you think it sucks?
[04:16] <DaSkreech> OKie :)
[04:17] <DaSkreech> That's all I got :)
[04:17] <Nyle> DaSkreech: I can give you my reasons for disliking gnome, but kde doesn't suck. If you don't like it, then you suck, how about that.
[04:17] <ardchoille> Can we take the "sucks" chatter to another channel please?
[04:17] <DaSkreech> Yes please
[04:17] <DaSkreech> like #kde :)
[04:18] <DaSkreech> raccoon: hi Did you know that you are a linux program?
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Blast
[04:18] <ccoffey> yeah, it should work, but it's not, something up with dmraid not being loaded intially, before the root file system tries to be loaded. i tried adding a delay to initramfs as per : https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/initramfs-tools/+bug/83231 , but there was no joy with that
[04:18] <DaSkreech> I just found that out a few hours ago
[04:18] <DaSkreech> Why can't geeks come up with good names?
[04:18] <Nyle> is something the matter with you? first you attack kde then when I ask you for reasons why you dislike it, you tell me to take it elsewhere.
[04:18] <Nyle> you have some screwed up thinking DaSkreech
[04:19] <Nyle> but whatever, you seem like you get off on having the last word. have at it
[04:19] <DaSkreech> I think that you attacked it but in any case do you have a support related question?
[04:20] <Nyle> I have many
[04:20] <DaSkreech> Fire away
[04:20] <Nyle> I don't feel like it anymore.
[04:20] <DaSkreech> That's perfectly alright as well
[04:22] <ccoffey> my mobo has two sata controllers, both with fake raid, i might give the jmicron a go over the ich7r one, might have more joy with it :( question is, can i easily convert from one to the other, or would i need to rebuild the array
[04:22] <Nyle> jmicron
[04:22] <Nyle> hmm
[04:22] <Nyle> its a pos
[04:23] <ccoffey> yup, but i'm inisitant on getting this fakeraid to work, dual boot-ing. can't beat the load times :)
[04:23] <Nyle> this raid on my mobo using the same chipset literally took the piss of me
[04:23] <Nyle> almost went bald pulling my hair out
[04:23] <existz> fug
[04:23] <existz> Nyle I feel you
[04:23] <existz> haha
[04:23] <existz> been dealing with this shit myself
[04:24] <Nyle> I have a GA 965P S3 mobo
[04:24] <Existz> brb
[04:24] <Existz> Anyone have a geforce 8500 here?
[04:24] <Existz> or a Geforce 8 series card?
[04:24] <Nyle> same as a DS3 without solid state capacitors, and has the same crappy rain controller
[04:24] <Nyle> raid*
[04:24] <ccoffey> asus p5wdh deluxe here
[04:25] <Nyle> I have an X1900XTX I bouht last year
[04:25] <Existz> I can't get the 8500 to work
[04:25] <Nyle> ccoffey: what cpu?
[04:25] <Existz> it keeps giving me the no screens found error
[04:25] <Existz> I read more into it and it seems the kernel module doesn't match up
[04:25] <ccoffey> e6600
[04:25] <Nyle> ccoffey: at what speed?
[04:25] <lightning18> who lives here in philippines
[04:26] <Nyle> lightning18: I think phillipino people live in the phillipines
[04:26] <Existz> Nyle
[04:26] <Nyle> just a guess
[04:26] <Existz> what distro you using rihgt now?
[04:26] <Existz> right
[04:26] <lightning18> o yeah?
[04:26] <lightning18> youre very right
[04:26] <Nyle> Existz: umm.. kubuntu?
[04:26] <lightning18> why do you live there?
[04:26] <Existz> same
[04:26] <Existz> haha
[04:26] <DaSkreech> lightning18: Why?
[04:26] <Nyle> Existz: we are in #kubuntu
[04:26] <Existz> didn't notice the channel name
[04:26] <ccoffey> Nyle: stock so far, and i have it since launch, i like my quietness :), i had it at 400fsb for awhile, but i don't do enough to OC really,
[04:26] <Existz> haha
[04:27] <Nyle> Existz: you exist alright, but do you think?
[04:27] <Nyle> ;)
[04:27] <Existz> i'm so tired of dealing with this crap
[04:27] <Nyle> get it?
[04:27] <Existz> talked to several peeps
[04:27] <Nyle> I think, therefore I am.
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Nyle: No need to be snide :)
[04:27] <Existz> and several peeps are just running in vesa
[04:27] <Existz> forget that shit
[04:27] <Nyle> DaSkreech: dude just leave me alone will ya
[04:27] <Existz> i'm not happy with vesa, got an 8500 I want to work
[04:27] <DaSkreech> Existz: I'm not sure the drivers that support that have hit the repos
[04:27] <lightning18> i du wanna know, how long it takes for my requested CD to go into my dam house
[04:28] <Nyle> a long time
[04:28] <Nyle> don't complain about free stuff
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Existz: They should be there for gutsy but till that calms down you may want to check restricted backports
[04:28] <Existz> well it says the 8500 is supported by the newest drivers
[04:28] <Existz> anyone want to look at my xorg log and see what's wrong?
[04:28] <Nyle> pastebin it
[04:28] <DaSkreech> Existz: Which are probably not in the Feisty repos. How did you install the drivers?
[04:28] <Existz> http://pastebin.com/m67746297
[04:28] <ccoffey> Existz: did you try envy
[04:29] <Existz> envy?
[04:29] <Existz> I just went to nvidia.com/linux
[04:29] <ccoffey> Existz: it's a nice utility i like for doing all the gfx drivers for ya, i'll get you a link now
[04:29] <Existz> looked for the newest drivers
[04:29] <Existz> ah thanks
[04:29] <ccoffey> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:29] <Nyle> I've never installed nvidia on ubuntu
[04:29] <Nyle> only on debian
[04:30] <Existz> yeah debian wasn't too hard
[04:30] <Nyle> ubuntu has some really weird ways of doing this stuff
[04:30] <Nyle> debian is easier to use than ubuntu ime
[04:30] <Existz> here's the xorg.conf file
[04:30] <Existz> http://pastebin.com/m39b64ea
[04:30] <ccoffey> Nyle: that's nice
[04:30] <Nyle> ccoffey: well because I am new to ubuntu
[04:30] <Nyle> ccoffey: I am already used to debian so I know it
[04:30] <Nyle> all in good time
[04:30] <Existz> you know what I had a shitload of problems with
[04:31] <Existz> pclinuxos
[04:31] <ccoffey> I had huge issues woth solaris, they use more for man pages for crying outloud
[04:31] <Existz> debian's like the worst starting out as a noob
[04:31] <Nyle> whatever dude
[04:31] <Nyle> debian is the bomb diggity
[04:31] <Existz> fuck, if you don't know windows you sure as hell won't be able to use debian
[04:32] <Existz> had to get everything from scratch
[04:32] <Existz> had to dl apt-get cause it wasn't even installed
[04:32] <Nyle> Existz: i'd rather build a system myself
[04:32] <Nyle> Existz: I don't like to let people do it for me
[04:32] <Nyle> those -do it for you- -just works- distros and software
[04:33] <Nyle> I can do without it.  That is why I searched for the ubuntu netinstall
[04:33] <Existz> well you still customize it in the end
[04:33] <DaSkreech> !language
[04:33] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:33] <Minataku> Nyle: Heh
[04:33] <Nyle> DaSkreech: what in the ... are you on about?
[04:33] <Minataku> Nyle: You want Gentoo
[04:33] <DaSkreech> Nyle: Not you
[04:33] <Nyle> DaSkreech: get off my back man
[04:33] <Existz> where's ccoy?
[04:33] <Minataku> Or perhaps even LFS
[04:33] <Existz> ccofrey
[04:34] <Existz> ccoffey
[04:34] <DaSkreech> !tab
[04:34] <ubotu> You can use <tab> for autocompletion of nicknames in IRC, as well as for completion of filenames and programs on the command line.
[04:34] <ccoffey> here
[04:34] <ardchoille> !ot
[04:34] <ubotu> #kubuntu is the official Kubuntu support channel, for all Kubuntu-related support questions. Please use #kubuntu-offtopic for general chatter. Thanks!
[04:34] <Minataku> Nyle: It was Existz that was swearing
[04:34] <Nyle> I don't mind it
[04:34] <Existz> why you ratting us out Mina
[04:34] <Nyle> you don't like swearin, you go right ahead and tell him :)
[04:34] <Minataku> Oh, I see now
[04:35] <Minataku> You two are trolls
[04:35] <Existz> there isn't going to be many children on here
[04:35] <ccoffey> some people are offended by bad language
[04:35] <Nyle> Minataku: thats uncalled for
[04:35] <DaSkreech> Existz: really? Which of the 300 people on are not Children?
[04:35] <Existz> no one
[04:35] <Existz> haha
[04:35] <ardchoille> Existz: I have an 8 year old niece (kubuntu user) who frequents this channel
[04:35] <Existz> that's you
[04:35] <Nyle> *sigh*
[04:35] <Existz> and you know she's been exposed to porn already
[04:35] <Existz> and she goes to school
[04:36] <DaSkreech> Anyway if you two want to keep up this conversation you can do it in #kubuntu-offtopic
[04:36] <Existz> 8 yr olds swear like their mother and fathers
[04:36] <Existz> ccoffey got the link?
[04:36] <ccoffey> i pasted it ages ago
[04:36] <Nyle> my /etc/network/interfaces has eth0 set to auto, however up on reboot/boot my if is not brought up, and I have to manually bring it up or start /etc/init.d/networking
[04:36] <Existz> where is it?
[04:37] <Existz> never got pasted here
[04:37] <Nyle> why is this happening?
[04:37] <ccoffey> 7 minutes agp
[04:37] <ccoffey> http://www.albertomilone.com/nvidia_scripts1.html
[04:37] <Existz> ah
[04:37] <Nyle> anyone knowledgable enough to help me?
[04:38] <ccoffey> right, gonna back up my stuff, and try the JMicron JMB363 over the  Intel ICH7R fake raid
[04:38] <Existz> hmm
[04:38] <Nyle> DaSkreech: you want to take this one?
[04:38] <Existz> does ubuntu run .deb files?
[04:39] <ccoffey> dpkg -i <.deb>
[04:39] <Existz> so what's better the tar.gz or the deb?
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Nyle: netowrking doesn't start?
[04:39] <Nyle> ardchoille: what?
[04:39] <ccoffey> .tar.gz is just a zip file, but generally it'll be source code you need to compile
[04:39] <DaSkreech> Did you check the logs to see if it failed?
[04:40] <Existz> ccoffey, how do I run this?
[04:40] <Existz> do I have to unpack the deb file?
[04:41] <ardchoille> Existz: You can install a deb with: sudo dpkg -i filename.deb
[04:42] <facugaich> How can I restart kwin?
[04:42] <Nyle> facugaich: where are you right now?
[04:43] <Nyle> just run alt+f2 in kde and run box type kwin
[04:43] <Existz> fakeroot?
[04:43] <Existz> wtf
[04:43] <Nyle> or kill -HUP kwin or something
[04:43] <Existz> damn
[04:43] <Existz> need to do all these installs first
[04:44] <Existz> damnit
[04:44] <Nyle> DaSkreech: I'm online.  dmesg says nothing of the sort.  Seemingly all fine.  However, I have to manually bring my if up, even though it is set to auto in the interfaces file
[04:44] <Existz> synaptic doesn't have envy
[04:44] <ardchoille> !envy
[04:44] <ubotu> envy is a script that may leave you envious of those who have not used it, use the resticted manager to install binary drivers or use the instructions on the wiki, this script may break your machine very badly!
[04:45] <Nyle> ardchoille: I replied to your message.  Kindly check it.
[04:45] <Existz> ubotu
[04:45] <Existz> you sure about that?
[04:45] <ardchoille> !bot
[04:45] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[04:46] <Nyle> facugaich: did you get kwin restarted?
[04:47] <Existz> ccoffet
[04:47] <Existz> coffey
[04:47] <Existz> you there?
[04:47] <facugaich> Nyle: The problem is solved now, I had to restart kde. I asked because I didn't want to close all the programs
[04:48] <Existz> goddamnit
[04:49] <ardchoille> !language
[04:49] <ubotu> Please watch your language and keep this channel family friendly.
[04:49] <Nyle> facugaich: dcop ksmserver ksmserver savecurrentsession
[04:49] <Existz> bbl
[04:49] <facugaich> Nyle: what does that do?
[04:49] <Nyle> saves your session
[04:50] <Nyle> with all the open apps and all that, change your session manager and make it startup saved sessions instead of last session
[04:50] <Nyle> you can make a button for it on taskbar or panel or something
[04:50] <Nyle> then whenver you start kde what you saved will load, with all the apps and how they were all that good stuff
[04:51] <Nyle> you can restart X as many times as you like, all your apps will always load the way they were before you restarted
[04:51] <facugaich> Nyle: but that will also reload the apps right?
[04:51] <Nyle> obviously
[04:52] <Nyle> you're killing all the x clients
[04:52] <Nyle> by killing the server
[04:53] <facugaich> Nyle: is there any way to avoid that?
[04:53] <Nyle> nope
[04:53] <Nyle> I am not aware of any screen for X
[04:53] <Nyle> I actually would like to see a screen type software for X
[04:53] <Nyle> it would be very handy
[04:54] <Minataku> Try a different WM then
[04:54] <Minataku> I use fluxbox
[04:54] <Nyle> what?
[04:54] <Minataku> It's like screen on steroids
[04:54] <Nyle> what does that have anything to do with what we are discussing?
[04:54] <Minataku> Considering you just asked about screen type software for X
[04:54] <Nyle> !info screen
[04:54] <ubotu> screen: a terminal multiplexor with VT100/ANSI terminal emulation. In component main, is optional. Version 4.0.3-0.2ubuntu2 (feisty), package size 571 kB, installed size 980 kB
[04:55] <ardchoille> http://xwinman.org
[04:55] <ubuntu> !grub
[04:55] <ubotu> grub is the default Ubuntu boot manager. Lost grub after installing windows: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RecoveringUbuntuAfterInstallingWindows - Making GRUB floppies & other GRUB howtos: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto
[04:55] <Nyle> Minataku: read up.
[04:55] <Nyle> a screen for X would be nice.
[04:56] <ccoffey> nx is alright
[04:56] <ccoffey> it's what i used
[04:56] <Nyle> yes, but if you kill X, clients die too.  Connection terminated.
[04:57] <Nyle> nx can't get around it
[04:57] <ccoffey> never tried tbh
[04:57] <facugaich> Nyle: The problem I just had was that the title bar for the windows disappeared and the panel was unresponsive (I could right click on it but choosing an item didn't do anything)
[04:57] <Nyle> kwin shouldn't affect kicker afaik
[04:58] <facugaich> Nyle: but the title bars are managed by kwin right?
[04:58] <Nyle> facugaich: kwin probably crashed
[04:58] <ubuntu> HI Hobbsee
[04:58] <Nyle> facugaich: yessir
[04:58] <facugaich> Nyle: yeah, that's why I wanted to restart kwin only
[04:59] <Nyle> facugaich: man kill
[04:59] <Hobbsee> hey ubuntu
[05:00] <Nyle> is all the serious support you only get if you pay for it?
[05:00] <Nyle> can't I just get free support in ubuntu?
[05:01] <facugaich> Nyle: it was already 'dead', but I wasn't able to start it again. I opened a konsole but it didn't respond, and I couldn't do it from the ttys
[05:01] <Nyle> my eth0 isn't brought up on boot by networking even though the interfaces file has it set on auto
[05:01] <Nyle> facugaich: ouch
[05:02] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: yeah, but a support contract looks better to corporate types, and the support staff have nice little pieces of paper that says they're professionals at it :)
[05:02] <Nyle> so what is this channel for
[05:02] <facugaich> Nyle: isn't there any way to restart it from tty?
[05:02] <Nyle> facugaich: yeh, I have to manually bring it up
[05:02] <Nyle> it doesn't happen to me in other distros I have running on other boxes here
[05:02] <Nyle> just kubuntu
[05:02] <Nyle> didn't happen on 6 or 5
[05:03] <Nyle> just 7/feisty
[05:03] <Nyle> its a pain to manually bring it up
[05:03] <facugaich> Nyle: how do I do that?
[05:03] <facugaich> oh
[05:03] <Nyle> facugaich: hah, confusing eh
[05:03] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: for volunteers (like me, I have zero official links to the ubuntu people) to help out people with questions
[05:03] <Nyle> facugaich: yes, just go to alt+ctrl+f2 login, and type kwin -display :0 &
[05:04] <Nyle> facugaich: or whichever display your X is running on
[05:04] <Nyle> echo $DISPLAY
[05:04] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: sort of like going to your buddy down the street and saying 'hey, how do I do/fix $PROBLEM
[05:04] <facugaich> I tried to look for that option... but it didn't appear in kwin --help
[05:05] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: the problem I've noticed in ubuntu is that irc support is really bad.  not that people don't want to help, but that most people are noobs worried about thier own problems and don't have time or knowledge enough to help others
[05:05] <Nyle> facugaich: its not a kwin option
[05:05] <Nyle> its an X  client option
[05:05] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: i guess you get what you pay for ;)
[05:05] <facugaich> Nyle: oh, ok
[05:05] <Nyle> you can specify any X app to run on any display using -display
[05:06] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: ever been to debian?
[05:06] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: I try to help when I can also
[05:06] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: nope...but several other rooms (#gentoo for one)
[05:06] <Nyle> some people here might think I'm putting down ubuntu but thats their perception I guess
[05:07] <Nyle> I'm just saying, its a good distro, but it would be nice to have support from knowledgeable people about it
[05:07] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: ubuntu is a distro geared towards newbies, so it makes sense that most of the users are, well, inexperienced :P
[05:07] <Nyle> and imo debian is still king
[05:07] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: well yeh, I completely understand that
[05:08] <Nyle> hitmanWilly: and I'm not downing on anything, I'm just wishing/wanting more
[05:08] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: ubuntu is basically debian with training wheels
[05:08] <Nyle> :)
[05:08] <Nyle> not is isn't
[05:08] <Nyle> if it used debian packages then sure.
[05:08] <Nyle> it only uses the debian packaging scheme, not actual debian packages it self
[05:09] <Nyle> so it has its own bugs and its own thigns, the way it works is different in many ways
[05:09] <Nyle> I'm still learning, but slowly
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Stupid power cut
[05:09] <Nyle> DaSkreech: ups is the word
[05:09] <DaSkreech> I have one
[05:09] <Nyle> they are cheap these days too
[05:09] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: well, i like source distros myself, i just use kubuntu on the lappy since i really don't care about performance on it
[05:09] <DaSkreech> Surge apparently went went past it on the second power cut
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: and as far as binary distros, slack ftw :P
[05:10] <Nyle> nah
[05:10] <hitmanWilly> but that's just me
[05:10] <Nyle> debian is king baby :)
[05:10] <Nyle> oh yeh to each their own
[05:10] <Nyle> there is no universal distro, cuz everyone is different
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: i started out on debian back in 99
[05:11] <Nyle> I started in 94
[05:11] <Nyle> well with debian in 96 actually
[05:11] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: from there to red hat and slack until recently
[05:11] <Nyle> same
[05:11] <Nyle> last redhat i used was 6.2
[05:11] <Nyle> man that was a long time ago
[05:11] <Nyle> I was like 14 years old
[05:11] <Nyle> hehe
[05:12] <Nyle> no 16
[05:12] <Nyle> I can't remember
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> way pre-split
[05:12] <devkinetic> hey guys/gals, sorry for the n00b question, but im trying to extract a tar.bz2 file to my /usr/lib/win32 dir, and i don't know how to do it ark keeps saying permission denied
[05:12] <Nyle> devkinetic: you don't have permission
[05:12] <hitmanWilly> devkinetic: you need to have root perms to extract to that dir
[05:13] <devkinetic> how do i give ark root permissions
[05:13] <devkinetic> so it can do it
[05:13] <Nyle> devkinetic: sudo tar jxvf blah.tar.bz2 -C /usr/lib/win32
[05:13] <Nyle> I think its capital -C
[05:13] <Nyle> check the manpage for tar /-c or /-C
[05:13] <hitmanWilly> devkinetic: what Nyle said, just faster on the trigger than me :)
[05:13] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: alt+F2 -> kdesu ark /path/to/targz
[05:13] <Nyle> ahh yeh
[05:14] <Nyle> I forgot
[05:14] <Nyle> this is a noob distro
[05:14] <allan_> guys, my amarok does not load
[05:14] <allan_> when I run it, it does not come out
[05:14] <DaSkreech> Nyle: when they ask noob questions :)
[05:14] <allan_> but according to htop, it is running
[05:14] <DaSkreech> allan_: run it from the command line and see if it throws any errors
[05:14] <Nyle> allan_: is it in your system tray
[05:14] <hitmanWilly> allan_: killall amarok, then try to run it again
[05:14] <facugaich> guys, newb != noob
[05:14] <allan_> not in the systray
[05:15] <Nyle> facugaich: same thing diff spelling
[05:15] <allan_> there is an error message..
[05:15] <allan_> here is the end of it...
[05:15] <allan_> Amarok: [Loader]  Amarok is taking a long time to load! Perhaps something has gone wrong?
[05:15] <Nyle> newbie. new to <insert stuff here>
[05:15] <allan_> it is a very long error message
[05:15] <Minataku> !paste
[05:15] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[05:15] <Minataku> Use that
[05:15] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: :D
[05:15] <facugaich> Nyle: noob has a more negative meaning
[05:16] <Nyle> yeh whatever man
[05:16] <facugaich> :)
[05:16] <Dr_Willis_> "MS Lemming Zombie" is a positive thing. :)
[05:16] <Nyle> I don't care about any of that stuff
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> Nyle: i would disagree, a newb says 'show me how to $SOMETHING', a n00b says 'tell me the fscking cmd'
[05:16] <Nyle> people can take whater meaning they want
[05:16] <DaSkreech> facugaich: In anycase we don't call people either here
[05:16] <Nyle> er.. dang ctrl key
[05:16] <DaSkreech> They are free to call themselves that
[05:16] <Dr_Willis_> "Tell me exactly in 2 words or less how to install a web server that i can  do what youtube is doing!"
[05:16] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:17] <Nyle> Dr_Willis_: hey man
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Dr_Willis: Buy stock
[05:17] <devkinetic> DaSkreech: ok i got it open with that command, but when i go to the extract screen in ark, i can't find my /usr/ folder, its only giving me my home folder and stuff
[05:17] <Nyle> ahh boy
[05:17] <Nyle> god bless the command line
[05:17] <DaSkreech> !hidden
[05:17] <ubotu> Kubuntu 6.10 (Edgy Eft) has implemented a new feature that hides most of the filesystem. For more information: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuHiddenFiles . This will be removed in Kubuntu 7.04 (Feisty Fawn)
[05:17] <hitmanWilly> amen brother
[05:17] <Nyle> omg
[05:18] <Nyle> hidden?
[05:18] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[05:18] <facugaich> DaSkreech: I didn't call anyone newb or noob
[05:18] <DaSkreech> bad idea
[05:18] <Nyle> hahaha, like the ms windows stuff.  hide it from users so they can't mess up their system
[05:18] <DaSkreech> facugaich: I know I wasn't saying you did
[05:18] <hitmanWilly> they got rid of it in feisty, thank $DEITY
[05:18] <facugaich> oh ok
[05:18] <DaSkreech> facugaich: Just saying it's kinda pointless to argue since neither term is welcome here
[05:18] <allan_> here you go http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29881/
[05:18] <allan_> that's my amarok's long error message
[05:18] <Nyle> oh
[05:18] <devkinetic> thanks DaSkreech, i knew they were there, haven't used linux i  like 5 years
[05:18] <Nyle> hold on man
[05:19] <Nyle> I didn't say anything about negative noob
[05:19] <Dr_Willis_> i dont see the big deal over the hidden stuff.. you can always enter the /usr/whatever :)
[05:19] <Nyle> I just said merely oh hey i forgot this is a noob distro my bad, do the gui way, forget cli
[05:19] <Nyle> I didn't mean to say what ya'll are implying I said
[05:19] <Nyle> dang
[05:19] <hitmanWilly> allan_: ok, amarok is already running, just froze up
[05:19] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: can you just type in /usr something?
[05:19] <Nyle> amarok is great
[05:20] <hitmanWilly> allan_: in konsole: killall amarokapp
[05:20] <Nyle> I wish you could go back in playlist history until it was blank
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Nyle: Which ever one helps no worries
[05:20] <Nyle> DaSkreech: eh?
[05:20] <DaSkreech> Nyle: he was in ark already so I gave him a ark command
[05:20] <Nyle> DaSkreech: for some reason I'm never sure what you are talking to me about
[05:20] <Nyle> ahh
[05:20] <Nyle> ok cool
[05:20] <DaSkreech>  if he just asked about tar.gz lord knows i'd introduce the cli
[05:20] <DaSkreech> CLIFTW!
[05:21] <DaSkreech> I should make a command called that
[05:21] <DaSkreech> and give it a GUI interface :-D
[05:21] <Nyle> hah
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> lol
[05:21] <DaSkreech> >_< It would so mess up everyone :)
[05:21] <hitmanWilly> DaSkreech: just link it to xterm :)
[05:22] <Nyle> dcop is awesome
[05:22] <DaSkreech> And dead :)
[05:23] <allan_> I killed amarok and ran it again, but the same thing happened
[05:23] <hitmanWilly> allan_: ok, do you see the pid of amarok in htop?
[05:24] <allan_> yup
[05:24] <DaSkreech> I guess devkinetic got it sorted
[05:24] <allan_> and on ksysguard
[05:24] <hitmanWilly> kill -9 it
[05:24] <Nyle> hey hitmanWilly check this out
[05:24] <Nyle> excuse the spam for a sec please, pardon
[05:24] <Nyle> mp3:  Theory in Practice - Colonizing The Sun - The Clockwork That Counts Aeons
[05:24] <allan_> here's the new error message http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29882/
[05:24] <Nyle> see now look
[05:24] <Nyle> exec - -o echo "mp3:  `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player artist` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned amarok player album` - `ssh stoned@desktop dcop --user stoned  amarok player title`"
[05:24] <Nyle> thats my mp3 alias
[05:25] <Nyle> i run irssi on a remote server
[05:25] <hitmanWilly> :)
[05:25] <Nyle> while music plays on here.  if it weren't for dcop i dunno what i woulda done
[05:25] <Nyle> dcop ftw!
[05:26] <Nyle> passworless ssh and dcop man
[05:26] <Nyle> you can make anything happen on a remote machine
[05:26] <Nyle> well, not anything, and only with kde
[05:26] <Nyle> hehe
[05:27] <keegan> why is it kde themes usually install using a sh script instead of installing via a manager like gnome does?  Is there a good reason for this?
[05:27] <hitmanWilly> allan_: ok, try logging out and back in
[05:27] <allan_> I did that.. I am now even on GNOME
[05:27] <DaSkreech> keegan: sounds more like a question for #kde
[05:27] <allan_> i logged in and out of kubuntu the same thing happened
[05:28] <hitmanWilly> allan_: maybe ask in #amarok, this sounds like more of an app issue
[05:28] <keegan> DaSckreech: yeaah, but it seemed like no one was there, I am not attacking kde, I am curious
[05:28] <allan_> ok.. maybe, I'll just delete the configuration files if nothing works
[05:29] <hitmanWilly> allan_: that won't help here, im pretty sure
[05:29] <premier_> how can I quickly free up some space on my file system?
[05:29] <Nyle> delete the pr0n?
[05:29] <Nyle> j/k
[05:30] <allan_> okay. how do I go to #amarok? I'm new with this
[05:30] <facugaich> I was thinking exactly the same
[05:30] <premier_> Nyle: thanks for the help
[05:30] <Nyle> type /join #amarok
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: anytime buddy
[05:30] <allan_> ok
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: maybe delete temp
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: sudo apt-get clean
[05:30] <premier_> Nyle: seriously, I tried apt-get clean, and nothing seem to happen
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: delete stuff from /tmp
[05:30] <Nyle> premier_: how much space do you have?
[05:30] <Nyle> and what have you installed.  Uninstall stuff you don't need
[05:31] <premier_> 0 Bytes
[05:31] <Nyle> sudo apt-get install deborphan && sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan`
[05:31] <premier_> and apparently tmp was empty too
[05:31] <premier_> Nyle: what does that do?
[05:31] <Nyle> omg
[05:31] <allan_> there's nobody on #amarok :((
[05:31] <Nyle> ahh boy
[05:32] <Nyle> premier_: why don't you install deborphan and man deborphan
[05:32] <Nyle> read :)
[05:32] <Nyle> !info deborphan
[05:32] <premier_> well, installing and then removing a package sounds like circular *ss kissing... besides, I don't think I have the space
[05:32] <ubotu> deborphan: Find orphaned libraries. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.7.23 (feisty), package size 69 kB, installed size 420 kB
[05:32] <premier_> I think I'll just use gparted to fix it
[05:32] <Dr_Willis_> installed size 420 kB
[05:32] <Nyle> premier_: umm?
[05:32] <Nyle> what?
[05:32] <allan_> !synce-kde
[05:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about synce-kde - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:32] <Dr_Willis_> if you dont have that space... you need to be investing in some more HD..
[05:33] <Nyle> premier_: what are you talking about circular kissing
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> premier_: how long are you waiting for amarok to start up the first time you run it?
[05:33] <Nyle> you're not installing a package and then removing it
[05:33] <Nyle> what the shiz are you going on about?
[05:33] <hitmanWilly> sorry, allan_ see above
[05:33] <facugaich> Nyle: he's talking about <Nyle> sudo apt-get install deborphan && sudo apt-get --purge remove `deborphan`
[05:34] <Nyle> facugaich: yeh and?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis_> apt-get install cowsay fortune
[05:34] <Dr_Willis_> fortune | cowsay
[05:34] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[05:34] <premier_> I can't say the "a" word on #kubnutu... anyway... how much space should / have? I have a seprate /home partition
[05:34] <Nyle> whats wrong with what I said?
[05:34] <facugaich> that it looks as if deborphan is installed and then immediately removed
[05:34] <Nyle> omg!
[05:34] <facugaich> *it looks as if*
[05:35] <allan_> before, amarok ran smoothly, i didnt have to wait
[05:35] <premier_> Nyle: sorry, I though 6Gb was enough
[05:35] <Nyle> facugaich: premier_:  it installs deborphan.  then you run apt-get --purge remove on `deborphan` not deborphan
[05:35] <Nyle> facugaich: premier_: that runs apt-get remove on the output of deborphan
[05:35] <Nyle> not on deborphan it self
[05:36] <Nyle> this way you can remove a list of orphaned packages instead of having to type them in manually from the output of running deborphan
[05:36] <Nyle> that make any sense yet?
[05:36] <devkinetic> hey guys thanks for you help again, i got my codecs all installed, but kaffeine still isn't playing my files
[05:36] <facugaich> :) I knew there was something else, just didn't know what
[05:36] <Nyle> :)
[05:37] <Nyle> I recommend you learn the shell you plan on using :)
[05:37] <devkinetic> anyone know why kaffeine won't play my video files right, i believe they are xvid
[05:37] <Nyle> devkinetic: kaffeine also uses w32codecs
[05:38] <Nyle> devkinetic: do you have w32coedecs installed?
[05:38] <Nyle> !w32codecs
[05:38] <ubotu> Seveas has a popular 3rd party repository for several packages, including the win32 codecs: see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - See also !Codecs
[05:38] <facugaich> Nyle: I knew what the `s do, hadn't noticed them
[05:38] <devkinetic> yes i followed the instructions on they site and extracted them to /usr/lib.win32
[05:38] <Nyle> devkinetic: you don't have to extract anything
[05:38] <devkinetic> sorry . = /
[05:39] <Nyle> devkinetic: see what ubotu just said
[05:39] <devkinetic> Nyle, they were zipped
[05:39] <Nyle> devkinetic: remove what you just unpacked.  then install the package called w32codecs after you add the repository in sources
[05:39] <Nyle> devkinetic: just read the link ubotu just pasted.
[05:40] <Nyle> devkinetic: alternately you can wget the package from the repository and dpkg -i it
[05:40] <SlimG> How do I save a mms:// videostream to file? possibly with CLI if possible
[05:40] <Nyle> mplayer should do it with output to file, I dunno how, but it should be able to
[05:41] <Nyle> ask in #mplayer or read the manpage
[05:41] <Nyle> I recommend the latter
[05:42] <SlimG> Nyle: Thank you
[05:42] <Nyle> sure
[05:43] <devkinetic> Nyle: ok im adding it to sources, which components do i want?
[05:44] <Nyle> devkinetic: sudo apt-get install w32codecs
[05:44] <devkinetic> Nyle: thats easier
[05:44] <Nyle> and I think it unpacks to /usr/lib/codec
[05:44] <Nyle> I might be wrong
[05:44] <devkinetic> do i have to add it to sources b4 i can run that?
[05:45] <Nyle> yes
[05:45] <Nyle> you have to add the mirror
[05:45] <Nyle> deb http://mirror3.ubuntulinux.nl/ feisty-seveas all
[05:45] <devkinetic> im still on edgy
[05:45] <Nyle> apt-get update && apt-get install w32codecs
[05:45] <Nyle> well then i dunno
[05:45] <devkinetic> i got it :] 
[05:45] <Nyle> Im new to ubuntu
[05:45] <DaSkreech> try edgy-seveas
[05:46] <devkinetic> less so than me
[05:51] <wers> my amarok is working now!
[05:51] <wers> I just deleted the configuration files
[05:52] <wers> this is allan_ by the way :D
[05:52] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:56] <intelikey> how is "runlevel" normally set ?
[05:56] <DaSkreech> iniittab
[05:56] <intelikey> no
[05:57] <intelikey> not selected   set ?
[05:57] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~]  runlevel
[05:57] <intelikey> unknown
[05:57] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~] 
[05:59] <intelikey> anyone ?
[05:59] <rich1> where is the restricted drivers manager in kubuntu?
[05:59] <DaSkreech> !upstart
[05:59] <ubotu> Upstart is meant to replace the old Sys V Init system with an event-driven init model.  For more information please see: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/
[06:00] <rich1> !restricted drivers
[06:00] <rich1> and how do i call the bot?
[06:00] <clouder> rich1: type sudo restricted-manager I think in konsole
[06:01] <DaSkreech> !restricted
[06:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:01] <premier_> how much space should I give root?  I have a seperate /home partition for documents, so I only need enough space for OS files... and it seems that 6GB isn't enough
[06:01] <DaSkreech> premier_: I gave it 7 GB
[06:01] <rich1> clouder: is it the same one as in ubuntu?  i'm going to reinstall on a new hard drive and want this to be as clean as possible.
[06:01] <hitmanWilly> rich1: it isn't installed by default in kubuntu, you have to get it
[06:01] <DaSkreech>  Unless you have a serious number of people using it each iwth multiple needs that shoudl be god
[06:01] <rich1> !restricted
[06:01] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[06:02] <DaSkreech> good
[06:02] <rich1> DaSkreech: thanks.
[06:03] <intelikey> premier_ at least 3g
[06:03] <rich1> hitmanWilly: thanks.  i just apt searched and got it.
[06:04] <hitmanWilly> rich1: generally i prefer the cmd line method myself, but whatever works :)
[06:04] <intelikey> so no one here knows how the runlevel veriable is normally set   assuming it's a variable...   ?
[06:04] <premier_> DaSkreech: maybe I'll give it 8GB eh?  Because I have 0 Bytes of free space and I can't even bring up kde... I don't want to have to repartition *again*, eh?
[06:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: It used to be in /etc/inittab
[06:04] <rich1> hitmanWilly: yeah. aptitude search rest...
[06:04] <DaSkreech> intelikey: Read the upstart docs to see how it's done now
[06:04] <intelikey> DaSkreech no never was.
[06:05] <Minataku> !init
[06:05] <ubotu> Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:05] <rich1> !dude
[06:05] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about dude - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:05] <Minataku> :3
[06:05] <DaSkreech> premier_: You haev /home and / on the same partition ?
[06:05] <intelikey> and i'm not using upstart  plus the link you posted had nothing on it.
[06:05] <intelikey> nothing on how "runlevel" was set     just to clearify
[06:05] <Minataku> !init | intelikey
[06:05] <ubotu> intelikey: Boot options: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions - To add/remove startup services, you can use the package 'bum', or update-rc.d - To add your own startup scripts, use /etc/rc.local - See also !grub and !dualboot - Making a boot floppy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GrubHowto/BootFloppy - Also see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SmartBootManagerHowto
[06:06] <premier_> DaSkreech: no, the opposite... I gave / 6Gb and /home about 70Gb
[06:06] <intelikey> Minataku do you have any idea how it's set ?
[06:06] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: i don't think its a variable, i think 'runlevel' is an app that checks which runlevel the machine is using
[06:06] <intelikey> Minataku is it in /init.d/rc  ?
[06:06] <DaSkreech> premier_: What they heck do you have installed?
[06:06] <intelikey> hitmanWilly yes exactly.  and how is the information it checks, set ?
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: not sure :(
[06:07] <Minataku> intelikey: Read the links, I think
[06:07] <Minataku> I know on Gentoo, there are scripts in /etc/init.d/
[06:07] <Minataku> And... some command is used to muck with them
[06:07] <Minataku> I haven't used it in a while
[06:07] <Minataku> rc-update I think
[06:07] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: rc-update
[06:08] <Minataku> I was right :D
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: update-rc.d is its euivalent in buntu
[06:08] <intelikey> Minataku in ubuntu it's update-rc.d  but that has nothing to do whith what i'm asking
[06:08] <premier_> DaSkreech: well, I was preparing an install for a usb pen drive, and I forgot that I was putting it in /media (under root)... so that took up about 2GB
[06:08] <DaSkreech> ah
[06:08] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: well, where does it call the particular runlevel?
[06:09] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: are you using sys V init then?
[06:09] <DaSkreech> premier_: so uninstall OO.o and wine and any useless kernels
[06:09] <Minataku> intelikey: Sorry :P
[06:09] <DaSkreech> that should give you near a half gig of breathing room
[06:09] <intelikey> hitmanWilly no wrote my own.   just didn't allow for "runlevel"    so let me post one more time...
[06:09] <Minataku> I successfully built a FreeBSD kernel today :D
[06:09] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~]  runlevel
[06:09] <intelikey> unknown
[06:09] <intelikey> tty1 [root@~] 
[06:10] <Minataku> intelikey: If you wrote your own init, then you should know
[06:10] <intelikey> that's what i get  ^   should be     9
[06:10] <qlr> hi
[06:10] <Minataku> Though why you'd write your own under *buntu confounds me
[06:10] <Minataku> Really, the only place I could see a custom init is LFS
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> Minataku: this IS intelikey you're talking about here, tho :)
[06:11] <Minataku> Heh
[06:11] <Minataku> True XD
[06:11] <intelikey> Minataku cause i have ubuntu form scratch  i guess...
[06:11] <qlr> my question is, can i install kubuntu on a (nvidia) raid0 array?
[06:11] <Minataku> qlr: Is it supported?
[06:11] <Minataku> If yes, then yes
[06:11] <Minataku> If no, then no
[06:11] <hitmanWilly> qlr: if its hardware raid, then probably
[06:11] <Minataku> Wait... isn't RAID0 useless-RAID?
[06:11] <qlr> Minataku: i don't know, how do i find out?
[06:12] <Minataku> If it offers no redundancy, it's not RAID
[06:12] <Minataku> It's trash
[06:12] <Minataku> It's also incredibly dangerous
[06:12] <qlr> hitmanWilly: it's hardware raid, i managed to install xp there, but vista has no drivers yet....
[06:12] <Minataku> Considering a failure of one HDD in a no-redundancy stripe means EVERYTHING is trashed
[06:12] <premier_> how can I move an entire directory structure from the commandline?  I want to move /media/portcompy and all its contents to /home/level1/portcompy... btw, Its on another partition
[06:13] <niclas> Godmorning
[06:13] <Minataku> !raid
[06:13] <ubotu> Raid and LVM --> very easy guide for alternate CD : http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html Tips and tricks for RAID and LVM can be found on https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RaidConfigurationHowto and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO
[06:13] <premier_> Minataku: whats the mean time to failure on typical hardware, do you know?
[06:13] <Minataku> But there's your link
[06:13] <hitmanWilly> premier_: the --recursive flag
[06:13] <intelikey> premier_ mv /media/portcompy /dest/
[06:13] <qlr> Minataku: it is fast as hell, 2x80 seagate 7200.10 disks, i don't store anything there only windows, program files and some games
[06:13] <premier_> Minataku: for raid zero, that is?
[06:13] <Minataku> premier_: It's better to do it per drive
[06:13] <Minataku> And there's two values to consider
[06:13] <DaSkreech> premier_: mv  /media/portcompy /home/level1/
[06:14] <Minataku> IMR and MTBF
[06:14] <Minataku> Infant Mortality Rate is the first one, and it's from 0sec to about 1mo
[06:14] <Dr_Willis_> "Mean Time Between Failures" - The after you Fail Your Biology Midterm, and take it out on your dog........
[06:14] <Minataku> After that, I'd typically give them, oh, 5 to 10 years
[06:14] <rich1> will kubuntu install bcm43xx firmware when i install fwcutter?
[06:15] <Minataku> For harddrives, I'll be more conservative and say 3 to 7
[06:15] <Dr_Willis_> Google - had some Info on Their hard drive failure rates.. it was sort of intereesting read.
[06:15] <Minataku> rich1: It might
[06:15] <Dr_Willis_> rich1:  it did for me.
[06:15] <rich1> should i install restricted-manager first?
[06:15] <Minataku> As for brand failure possibility, they all fail at more or less the same rates and percentages
[06:15] <Minataku> I've heard bad things about all the HDD makers in equal quantities :3
[06:15] <Minataku> intelikey: My Toshiba T1200 has a 20MB HDD
[06:16] <Minataku> Still works perfectly
[06:16] <Minataku> And it's from 1987
[06:16] <premier_> what does "mv: inter-device move failed; unable to remove target: Is a directory" mean?
[06:16] <qlr> Minataku: i would like to point out that Maxtor is the worst, died a 80gig hard after 83 dayz....
[06:16] <Minataku> premier_: You're trying to move a file from one device to another but the source is a directory
[06:16] <Minataku> qlr: That's IMR, and they all have that possibilty
[06:16] <premier_> Minataku: so how do I move a file?
[06:16] <intelikey> yeah i have two from mid 80's but can't say flawless.  had to low level them both over the past 22 years they have been in service
[06:17] <intelikey> one's 42m the other 33 m
[06:17] <Minataku> premier_: Don't move a file from one device to another device where there's a directory with the same name
[06:17] <qlr> Minataku: they all have, but maxtors is the biggest....
[06:17] <Dr_Willis_> premier_:  could just cheat and use 'mc' :)
[06:17] <Minataku> Like I said, there's two periods where hardware is prone to fail
[06:17] <Minataku> Within a month or two out of the box
[06:17] <Minataku> And after several years
[06:18] <Minataku> And that's both electromechanical and solid-state
[06:18] <Dr_Willis_> and after the kids put it in the dishwasher. :)
[06:18] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: Extenuating circumstances ;3
[06:18] <Minataku> So, Dr_Willis_... where are my Amigas? XD
[06:18] <DaSkreech> premier_: mv  /media/portcompy /home/level1/
[06:18] <qlr> then probably i will buy another hard, and put it into raid5....
[06:19] <intelikey> dr_willis or you have tstorms knock out all appliances in the house...
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  no idea yet ;) been cleanign the basement.
[06:19] <Minataku> If that still gives you trouble, premier_, make it mv /media/portcompy /home/level1/portcompy
[06:19] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: Heehee... find anything good down there?
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> heh. still got the guests..
[06:19] <Minataku> STILL!?
[06:19] <Minataku> Buncha freeloaders
[06:19] <Minataku> lol
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> Kid wanted to watch 'batman' - SO i found "BatThumb"
[06:19] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  Yep.. they are retired.. so they can spend the MONTH.
[06:19] <Dr_Willis_> and then some
[06:19] <Minataku> Sucks >.<
[06:20] <Dr_Willis_> Wife asked me if id seen batthumb..  Is it safe for kids.. heh ?
[06:20] <Minataku> If you can, try to make some time to get those Amigas out... please? XD
[06:20] <Dr_Willis_> Ive never seen it  got it for $2 at a rummage sale
[06:20] <Minataku> rofl
[06:20] <premier_> does mv delete the source when it finishes?
[06:20] <intelikey> Dr_Willis_  yeah. but you only have one wife right ?    you're still a batchular
[06:20] <Minataku> premier_: Yes
[06:20] <Minataku> Bachelors are unmarried
[06:20] <Minataku> Typically specific to never-married males
[06:21] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  been wantint to copy stuff over from the amigas to my pc for my Emulator ussage.. but havent even had time for that.   I got one amiga that i know works.. gotta test out the other 2. Im sure they both work.
[06:21] <Dr_Willis_> Got a CD32 +SX1 thats an amiga+cdrom :)  it works.. but cant find the PS.
[06:21] <DaSkreech> Minataku: what are never once married males called?
[06:21] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: Ah, well, you said you'd send all three, but yeah, go ahead and dump them first
[06:21] <Minataku> DaSkreech: Bachelors
[06:21] <Dr_Willis_> I gotta see about gettting Linux to read my amiga hard drives. :)
[06:21] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis_: im assuming you mean the kickstart image?
[06:21] <Minataku> If you were married and divorced, then you're still a bachelor, too
[06:21] <Dr_Willis_> hitmanWilly:  Allreay got that. got a lot of other game/disks and stuff to transfer over.
[06:22] <Minataku> If your wife died, then you're a widower
[06:22] <hitmanWilly> gotcha
[06:22] <Dr_Willis_> If your wife died, then you're a  ... wait.. i wont go there...
[06:22] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:22] <Minataku> lol
[06:22] <Minataku> A free man? XD
[06:22] <Minataku> Lucky? X3
[06:22] <Dr_Willis_> Lucky? Free? Prime Suspect?
[06:22] <Minataku> There's thousands of off-color answers to fill in
[06:22] <Minataku> Haha, that's a good one
[06:23] <premier_> is there anything for kde/ubuntu/linux/whatever that can warn me when my drives are filling up?  a dialog box saying "hey! you getting kinda tight here aren't you?"
[06:23] <Minataku> Good question
[06:23] <Dr_Willis_> premier_:  i think thers some karamba/superkaramba applets. and perhaps a Panel applet.
[06:23] <Minataku> You notice that when people say things like "Good question"... it's because they can't answer it? ;3
[06:23] <Dr_Willis_> with 500GB HD's in the $100 range. now. :) i havent had much space issues latly
[06:24] <intelikey> mandrake had fs full warning  years ago  i'm sure there is.
[06:24] <premier_> It'd be nice if there was a daemon... I'll just write one
[06:24] <Minataku> Make sure that at least the root drive has it's reserved area
[06:24] <Minataku> Reserved for root, that is
[06:24] <premier_> Dr_Willis_: yeah, but this is in a laptop, kinda hard to swap out the hard drives and laptop hdds are $$$
[06:24] <Minataku> After that, you may have to account for it in the script
[06:24] <premier_> Minataku: actually, thats the problem
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> wmmount - miniature mount utility and free space monitoring tool
[06:25] <Minataku> premier_: A drive running 100% out of space even for root is VERY BAD NEWS
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> Time to clean out the porn! :)
[06:25] <intelikey> Minataku may i ask, have you ever experimented with full fs's ?
[06:25] <Minataku> It'll usually break EVERYTHING
[06:25] <Dr_Willis_> Speaking of which.... nah..  i wont start..
[06:25] <Minataku> intelikey: No, but I've seen plenty of issues caused by one
[06:25] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis_: do wm dock apps even run under kde?
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> hitmanWilly:  you can add a wmdock panel just for them
[06:26] <premier_> yeah, I had 0 Bytes left... kde wouldn't boot, apt wouldn't run, I couldn't even access man pages
[06:26] <intelikey> Minataku hmm well i have filled the hd many times.  never caused any problems really
[06:26] <Minataku> Bingo
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> One reason id MUCH perfer to see more dockapps/panelapps then Gdesklet/karamba applets
[06:26] <Minataku> intelikey: You probably had the root-reserve
[06:26] <Minataku> It's placed by default
[06:26] <intelikey> Minataku and that with 0% reserved
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> hmmm, that's cool
[06:26] <Minataku> When you mkfs
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> Thats becayse you are just sooooooooo cooool intelikey
[06:26] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:26] <hitmanWilly> well, i suppose it makes sense since i know you can run kicker on top of wm
[06:27] <Minataku> Haha
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> Our Hero!
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:27] <hero> no, that's me
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> Our OTHER hero!
[06:27] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:27] <hero> :D
[06:27] <Minataku> intelikey: You probably had some key mounts on other partitions
[06:27] <premier_> I never changed root-reserve (or whatever) and it still happened to me... maybe because I was doing it as root?
[06:27] <Minataku> I'm talking a two or three partition system
[06:27] <intelikey> Dr_Willis_   heh.  just like to debunch the fluff
[06:27] <Minataku> root and swap or boot, root and swap
[06:27] <premier_> actually, I couldn't run "sudo shutdown now" because I had so little space
[06:28] <hero> Dr_Willis_: you'd be surprised how often that highlight is triggered. i should have thought twice about this nick.
[06:28] <Minataku> intelikey: Debunking and potentially leading people into dangerous situations are two far different things
[06:28] <intelikey> Minataku 0 partitions.   no swap.   0% reserved.   that's how i've come to always set one up
[06:28] <Minataku> Fact is, you do NOT want to run low on space on /
[06:28] <hitmanWilly> hero: tack _sandwich at the end :)
[06:28] <Minataku> intelikey: Yes, well, you're an idiot, too
[06:28] <hero> hitmanWilly: haha
[06:28] <Dr_Willis_> HeroZero
[06:28] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:28] <Minataku> I would never suggest ANYONE follow such bad advice
[06:28] <Dr_Willis_> Hero4Hire
[06:29] <intelikey> yeah.   provavly so.   point being that reserved space is not needed for a desktop system
[06:29] <premier_> hero_sandwich= worst name ever
[06:29] <DaSkreech> Minataku: No I've said Good question for something I can answer I was just glad the person was astute enough to see the need for the question
[06:29] <heroki> !offtopic
[06:29] <heroki> :D
[06:29] <Dr_Willis_> Hero_Sandwich_Hold_The_Mayo
[06:29] <Minataku> DaSkreech: That's the other situation
[06:29] <hitmanWilly> yeah, but i bet no one has it :)
[06:29] <Minataku> But typically it's because they can't answer it
[06:29] <premier_> uh oh... now X wont run... I have 900MB of free space!
[06:30] <Minataku> Dr_Willis_: That would be so retarded
[06:30] <Minataku> XD
[06:30] <premier_> I can get to kdm, but if I try to log in it crashes
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  yet i see it asked about all the time.
[06:30] <intelikey> DaSkreech good answer  :)
[06:30] <Dr_Willis_> Minataku:  on the amiga. i could copy a floppy to the RAD: disk, then boot off the RAD: disk. :)
[06:30] <Minataku> Heehee
[06:31] <Dr_Willis_> Rad Disk - Ram disk that survived reboots.
[06:31] <Minataku> The Toshiba T1200 has a hardware RAMdisk too
[06:31] <Minataku> It's got 1MB of RAM, but I've never managed to get any more than 640k working in DOS
[06:31] <Dr_Willis_> seeing these new laptops with 1 gb 'readyboost' thing for Vista. ya could put a whole Linux disrto in them.
[06:31] <Minataku> The upper space is either usable for... something or as a RAMdisk through hardware
[06:31] <Dr_Willis_> wonder how well that would work.
[06:32] <Minataku> As long as there's power, the RAMdisk will hold data
[06:32] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis_: is that like the turbo button on old desktops?
[06:32] <intelikey> Dr_Willis_   good question
[06:32] <Dr_Willis_> hitmanWilly:  :) the 'slow down bards tale so its playable button' :)
[06:32] <DaSkreech> intelikey: heehee
[06:32] <Minataku> intelikey: I'd ask if you like being an ass, but everybody knows that it's fun to be an ass
[06:32] <Minataku> lol
[06:32] <Dr_Willis_> :)
[06:33] <intelikey> Minataku no i was serious.  linux all in ram sounds like a plan
[06:33] <Dr_Willis_> Night all.. im a TiredAss.
[06:33] <hitmanWilly> lol
[06:33] <Dr_Willis_> intelikey:  its not really 'ram' - its like some sort of USB-Meomory Stick built into the MB.
[06:33] <Minataku> intelikey: It's more or less called a LiveCD
[06:33] <Dr_Willis_> Wonder if it has a limited lifespan like other flashmedia
[06:34] <Minataku> All Flash has limited rewrite
[06:34] <Minataku> It's getting longer, but still
[06:34] <premier_> hey, when I try to login in from kdm, I get a flash (like X restarting) and then I just see the kdm screen again (X restarted?) what do I do?
[06:34] <hitmanWilly> Dr_Willis_: i think its that hybrid ram/flash thing ive heard about
[06:34] <intelikey> Minataku no.  live CD's generally keep reading from the cd which makes them incredably slow.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> BUt its only in a few laptops at this time..    so ive not seen one.
[06:34] <Minataku> intelikey: Some have the option to copy entirely to a RAMdisk
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> I have seen little 'usb thimb drives' that you plug directly into the USB header on a motherboard.
[06:34] <intelikey> Minataku there are a few that can load all in ram.  yes.
[06:34] <Dr_Willis_> well night all.
[06:35] <DaSkreech> Night
[06:35] <premier_> does anyone have any ideas?  like which log I should look at or something?  I'm freaking out here!
[06:35] <Minataku> intelikey: Sorry, BTW, I'm a bit cranky ATM XD
[06:35] <DaSkreech> premier_: ~/.xsessionerrors
[06:35] <Minataku> Crap... I'll bbiab
[06:35] <Minataku> >.<
[06:36] <premier_> DaSkreech: no such file
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> premier_: xorg.0.log IIRC
[06:36] <hitmanWilly> premier_: or .1.log
[06:36] <premier_> also, why do the people who make bash think that I need a loud beep when I reach the end of a line?
[06:36] <DaSkreech> premier_: yeah there is ~/.xsession-errors ?
[06:36] <Nyle> 
[06:37] <Nyle> mine is like 80mb
[06:37] <intelikey> premier_ kill kdm   and login into the console and run   startx   so you can see what it does
[06:37] <Nyle> I should delete it
[06:37] <DaSkreech> premier_: cause it lets you know youare at the end of the line
[06:37] <DaSkreech> Nyle: You don't run logrotate?
[06:37] <Nyle> nope
[06:38] <Nyle> i like it all in one place
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Nyle: Maybe it's time :)
[06:38] <premier_> DaSkreech: well, I don't need to have my ears blown out to know that
[06:38] <intelikey> premier_  end of a line   beep ???
[06:38] <premier_> its very loud, its why I don't use the command line
[06:38] <DaSkreech> premier_: ah that would be you MB manufacturer
[06:38] <DaSkreech> Mine is muted to the point where I'm considering a visual bell
[06:39] <hitmanWilly> premier_: just disable the pc speaker in the bios
[06:39] <intelikey> sudo modprobe -r pcspeaker
[06:39] <premier_> intelikey: yeah, if you delete all the text in a line, or try to go before the begining, or try to go to the end of a "more" list
[06:39] <premier_> won't that break my laptop speakers?  its a laptop
[06:40] <premier_> I get a bunch of stuff like "cannot open divece /dev/input/wacom"  (this is on startx
[06:40] <premier_> and it says stuff about fonts
[06:40] <intelikey> premier_ that's standard warning tone.     either remove the module or set the tone.
[06:40] <hitmanWilly> premier_: that's normal
[06:41] <hitmanWilly> premier_: unless you have a wacom tablet :)
[06:41] <DaSkreech> which is not normal
[06:41] <premier_> Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc
[06:42] <intelikey> premier_ try this.    setterm -bfreq 440
[06:42] <premier_> the last line is "FreeFontPath: FPE "usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing.
[06:42] <premier_> thats it
[06:42] <intelikey> and test the standard warning tone
[06:42] <premier_> its lower, but its still a little annoying
[06:43] <premier_> can't s
[06:43] <intelikey> set to 0  for off
[06:43] <premier_> can't I set the duration to 0?
[06:43] <intelikey> or 1  1 works well
[06:43] <hitmanWilly> intelikey: or he could set it beyond the human aural capacity :)
[06:44] <premier_> okay, seriously guys, how do I fix my X?  I don't understand why it would decide to stop working like this
[06:44] <hitmanWilly> tho i doubt it'd go that high...
[06:44] <intelikey> hitmanWilly lappy   yeah i think so.
[06:45] <hitmanWilly> be some pissed off dogs :P
[06:45] <MarcC-away> premier_, I just got here, but what's up?
[06:45] <intelikey> premier_ no E  error lines in the output ?
[06:46] <ardchoille> premier_: Anything in ~/.xsession=errors?
[06:46] <premier_> intelikey: well, yeah the ones about wacom tablets... there may be some above the top of the screen but I can't see them, and I don't think I can divert them to a file since they're error output
[06:46] <intelikey> MarcC dead desktop environment,      is what i gather.     xorg is working.
[06:47] <intelikey> premier_ is that from startx  ?
[06:47] <hitmanWilly> later all
[06:47] <intelikey> premier_ or you still looking in ~/.files
[06:47] <premier_> intelikey: yeah
[06:48] <premier_> I'm looking in /var/log/Xorg.0.log now...
[06:48] <intelikey> it's not likely to be there,   try running startx
[06:48] <intelikey> there is nothing wrong with x
[06:48] <intelikey> it's your user session
[06:48] <premier_> AIGLX complains about something and says that it reverts to software rendering
[06:49] <premier_> intelikey: shouldn't I be able to run a different desktop environment?  I tried gnome, xgl, a few other things to
[06:49] <premier_> too
[06:49] <MarcC> premier_, you can change "aiglx" to "vesa" and try startx
[06:49] <MarcC> in xorg.conf that is
[06:49] <Nyle> what
[06:49] <Nyle> MarcC: what are you talking about?
[06:50] <Nyle> aiglx is not a video driver afaik
[06:50] <intelikey> well.  if xorg was hosed you wouldn't have the kdm login prompt
[06:50] <intelikey> soooo
[06:50] <MarcC> doh,I'm too late to the conversation...and I was thinking fglrx for some reason :P
[06:51] <premier_> god damn it... fglrx won't let me switch from a console to kdm once kdm is already running
[06:51] <premier_> I hate ati so much
[06:51] <Nyle> umm
[06:51] <Nyle> tty2 == alt + ctrl+ f2
[06:51] <premier_> Nyle: yeah, I know that much
[06:51] <intelikey> MarcC any clue what sets the 'runlevel' variable  in normal sysv ?   is it in a script in /etc/init.d/  ?
[06:51] <Nyle> premier_: and you can't get to console from there?
[06:52] <Nyle> using tha
[06:52] <premier_> Nyle: but kdm runs of tty7, right?  I can't switch to tty7 from the console... there isn't a video driver that will run on my machine that will let me
[06:52] <premier_> Nyle: what?
[06:52] <MarcC> intelikey, I'm thinking /etc/inittab for some reason
[06:53] <premier_> Nyle: If I'm in an x session I can't go to a terminal session.  If I'm in a terminal session I can't go to an X session
[06:53] <Nyle> Nyle: premier_ video drivers have ntohing to do with it
[06:53] <intelikey> MarcC nah  it only selects a default runlevel   doesn't have anything to do with setting the varible
[06:53] <premier_> it just doesn't go
[06:53] <Nyle> premier_: yes you can
[06:53] <premier_> Nyle: do you use fglrx?
[06:53] <Nyle> yes
[06:53] <premier_> well, you must have some magical version that I can't get
[06:53] <intelikey> i'll find a copy of the sysv scripts and have a look.
[06:53] <Nyle> well why don't you start xterm under X and type sudo chvt 2
[06:54] <Nyle> see what the output or outcome is
[06:54] <premier_> because I'm in tty3, I can move to tty2 and tty5 and tty1, but not tty7
[06:54] <Nyle> using alt+ctrl+f7?
[06:54] <MarcC> premier_, what happens if you type startx now?
[06:55] <Nyle> MarcC: it will spawn another Xserver on display :x+1
[06:55] <Nyle> if one is currently running
[06:55] <premier_> Nyle: yeah, I can go to a blank screen with a cursor with chvt 7... but I can't do it with alt-ctrl-f7
[06:55] <Nyle> you should be able to
[06:55] <MarcC> well, if there is an X problem with fglrx and another problem with runlevels, I'd change xorg.conf to use vesa for now, just to get that out of the way
[06:55] <MarcC> but...
[06:55] <MarcC> I'm late to the party
[06:56] <intelikey> MarcC the two are not related.    his is x related.  my Q was about runlevel variable.   not related.
[06:57] <MarcC> ok, thanks
[06:57] <premier_> okay, running X as root (sudo startx) logged me into gnome
[06:58] <intelikey> don't tell me you did that...
[06:58] <intelikey> won your home.
[06:59] <intelikey> kill the gui and    sudo chown `whoami`:$HOME -R
[06:59] <intelikey> then startx    without sudo
[07:01] <intelikey> heh s/won/own/
[07:02] <arun> Hey people
[07:02] <intelikey> where ?
[07:02] <arun> How do I set KOffice to be my default Office suite? I don't want to open things with OpenOffice
[07:03] <intelikey> is that an alternative ?
[07:03] <DaSkreech> I just got rid of OO.o
[07:03] <arun> DaSkreech: I'm thinking of doing the same. I don't really need it, right? It doesn't work very well on my computer, and I really like KOffice
[07:05] <DaSkreech> arun: Nope as long as you aren't doing presentations
[07:05] <DaSkreech> Kpresenter is kinda weak
[07:05] <DaSkreech> hi nikkiana
[07:05] <nikkiana> hi DaSkreech
[07:06] <DaSkreech> nikkiana: Hoare you?
[07:06] <arun> DaSkreech: No presentations. By the way, KSpread is so cool! I just worked with it, much better than Excel in my opinion
[07:06] <arun> As in, for my uses
[07:06] <arun> The pre-installed templates are great
[07:06] <DaSkreech> Yeah
[07:07] <DaSkreech> pretty good
[07:08] <arun> DaSkreech: KPresenter no good?
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Nope
[07:08] <DaSkreech> Desperatle needs some love
[07:08] <arun> Why so?
[07:08] <ShockValue> sweetness, i finally got fglrx going right.
[07:08] <DaSkreech>  and a mate
[07:09] <arun> haha
[07:09] <arun> what's wrong withit?
[07:09] <DaSkreech>  and Emil
[07:09] <MarcC> what's that cool presentations program that inputs PDFs?
[07:09] <arun> keynote?
[07:09] <MarcC> ah, keyjnote
[07:09] <MarcC> that one is pretty slick
[07:09] <DaSkreech> Yep
[07:10] <arun> That's just for OS X, right?
[07:10] <MarcC> no, not Keynote, KeyJNote
[07:10] <MarcC> two different programs
[07:10] <premier_> intelikey: I moved a file I was preparing to install into /home... and some of the files were owned by root  (it was a debootstrap install into a directory)  anyway, would that really cause me not to be able to log in to kde?
[07:10] <arun> Oh, I didn't know
[07:10] <MarcC> one is for OS X, the other one is cool
[07:10] <arun> hahaha
[07:11] <MarcC> http://www.vimeo.com/193253
[07:11] <MarcC> that's the one
[07:11] <intelikey> premier_ using sudo startx  will probably hose the ownership on several files     and yes that will make it fail for user login
[07:11] <arun> I might have to move all my stuff to a new computer soon, is it possible to move all my settings and files to another computer? As in font settings, window decoration settings, styles, icons, etc etc
[07:12] <premier_> intelikey: are you sure?  I don't really understand that... my home is owned anyway
[07:12] <MarcC> sure, that's why people keep /home on a separate partition
[07:12] <dsmith> keynote kicks butt
[07:12] <intelikey> premier_ maybe  :)
[07:13] <Nyle> I can't breath through my nose, and my head hurts :(
[07:13] <dsmith> ooops keyjnote, correction
[07:13] <arun> MarcC: mine isn't on a separate partition
[07:14] <MarcC> arun, right, I'm just saying people do that to keep it portable...but yes, I've seen other people just transfer /home and it seems to work fine
[07:14] <intelikey> premier_ in the future if you want to startx as root  use   sudo -i   then issue startx from that shell.
[07:14] <dsmith> Nyle: I suggest climbing to about 25000 AGL and do a quick emergency depressurization, that surely would clean out your sinuses... :P
[07:14] <Nyle> arun: try to keep it there.  Then when you change distros to screw your system up or reinstall, your home will be unaffected while you chill out and just mount that partition as /home
[07:14] <arun> MarcC: so i just need to back up /home and move it to the new computer?
[07:14] <Nyle> dsmith: oh man, I wish I could
[07:14] <MarcC> arun, read this
[07:14] <MarcC> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=127285
[07:15] <arun> Thanks MarcC
[07:15] <MarcC> you might see some weird stuff, but it'll be way nicer than starting from scratch
[07:15] <Nyle> hey if you spell your nick backwaards like Nura its kinda like mine
[07:15] <intelikey> premier_ also be careful not to use sudo on gui apps.  use the respective alternative for the env.   gksudo or kdesu   and so forth
[07:15] <arun> heh
[07:15] <Nyle> intelikey: why/
[07:15] <dsmith> Nyle: sometimes, i can drain my sinuses by breathing in through my nose real hard.
[07:15] <premier_> why does sudo shutdown now send me back to the command line?
[07:15] <devkinetic> hey everyone, i meed some help getting my video files to play, i already got the win32 codecs, but kaffeine just plays 15 secionds of a black screen with no sound
[07:15] <Nyle> dsmith: that hurts the back of my neck
[07:15] <intelikey> Nyle cause you don't want root owning things in your home dir.
[07:15] <Nyle> for some reason
[07:16] <premier_> intelikey: I just figured because kdm is root, and startx was failing, that sudo startx would work
[07:16] <intelikey> premier_ yes but you were looking for why you couldn't login, not for how to make it worse.
[07:16] <devkinetic> shutdown -f ?
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !info keyjnote
[07:17] <arun> MarcC: If I move the other folders in /home as well, will the settings for various programs be saved as well? as in, my firefox/thunderbird profile, etc. if i just move it to the new computer and then install firefox, will my settings remain intact?
[07:17] <devkinetic> !codecs
[07:17] <MarcC> arun, yes welcome to the dark side >:] 
[07:17] <DaSkreech> !kdesu
[07:18] <arun> MarcC: excellent
[07:18] <arun> <evil laugh>
[07:18] <CS5> Hi, anybody available to help me mount my NTFS partition?
[07:18] <arun> CSS: Shouldn't it be mounted automatically?
[07:18] <CS5> Please
[07:18] <devkinetic> yeah it picked up mine
[07:18] <MarcC> arun, the only exception would be newer software releases that have changed config file formats, but a worst case scenario would be an app that didn't pick up your old config.
[07:18] <arun> DaSkreech: I checked out KeyJNote.. I was like whaaa? I have to run this from the command line? And then I found KeyJNoteGUI
[07:19] <arun> MarcC: alright, thanks a lot
[07:19] <MarcC> np
[07:19] <devkinetic> anyone have some info for my video file trouble
[07:19] <arun> MarcC: I am planning to get a laptop, which one would you recommend?
[07:19] <intelikey> premier_ also just of passing interest.   X always runs as root.  even if a user just issues X  or Xorg   or startx     but it's designed to use the users perms and env  so if you start X from a users home with root perms you confuse an already convoluted mess
[07:19] <arun> I want to be able to run Kubuntu properly, and use wifi, etc
[07:20] <arun> I also use VMWare/Windows to test pages in Internet explorer and to work on photoshop, etc
[07:20] <MarcC> arun, I just picked up an ubuntu Dell and I've been quite happy with it (changed it to Kubuntu of course)...with the $500 off coupon I was able to max it out easily
[07:20] <ShockValue> whats the easiest way to see what packages are currently isntalled on your machine, and uninstall some of them?
[07:20] <arun> MarcC: I don't think you get a Ubuntu Dell here in Bombay
[07:20] <devkinetic> adept
[07:20] <intelikey> ShockValue dpkg -l | less
[07:21] <MarcC> arun, ah...they have announced worldwide sales but probably not yet...anyway, Asus and Lenovo laptops are brands I've heard good things about.
[07:21] <arun> MarcC: I was considering getting a Mac just for parallels, but then I found VMWare and I'm happy. Also I was labouring under the delusion that parallels is free
[07:21] <intelikey> ShockValue the  ii  packages   are installed   any  rc  or pc  are removed but their configs are still present
[07:21] <arun> MarcC: what about HP?
[07:21] <MarcC> arun, I don't have any info about HP laptops, sorry :(
[07:21] <ShockValue> cool thanks, ill give that a go
[07:21] <premier_> intelikey: if startx always runs as root, why can I run startx without entering a password?
[07:22] <devkinetic> arun, check out the dell laptops
[07:22] <intelikey> premier_ caues it's SUID
[07:22] <devkinetic> hey everyone, i meed some help getting my video files to play, i already got the win32 codecs, but kaffeine just plays 15 secionds of a black screen with no sound
[07:23] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: what kind of files are they?
[07:23] <jredburn> What files determine the path for when I run sudo? I have a command in a local path that I can find when I run normally, but not via sudo
[07:23] <MarcC> ooh, Dell just updated their software repos
[07:23] <intelikey> premier_ mount is SUID also.  as are many apps/commands on your system.
[07:23] <premier_> how do I log into a root kde session with kdm?
[07:23] <devkinetic> avi, xvid i believe
[07:23] <DaSkreech> !codecs | devkinetic
[07:23] <intelikey> premier_ can't unless you configure kdm to accept root login
[07:23] <devkinetic> lol
[07:23] <intelikey> ubotu wake up
[07:23] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: install libxine-extracodecs
[07:24] <otaku-san> hmm bots acting up again...
[07:24] <devkinetic> i got the win 32 codecs
[07:24] <premier_> intelikey: well, how do I force it to?
[07:24] <arun> MarcC, devkinetic: Alright, will check out Dell. Any model in particular, or should it work well with any Dell laptop? Also, do Dell laptops come with ATI or nVidia video cards? Do they have dual core processors? (Sorry if I'm asking too many questions :)
[07:24] <intelikey> premier_ can't unless you configure kdm to accept root login
[07:24] <premier_> intelikey: well, how do I force it to?
[07:24] <devkinetic> arun, check out the website www.dell.com
[07:24] <premier_> how do I configure it to?
[07:24] <intelikey> premier_ we seem to be at an impass.
[07:24] <otaku-san> devkinetic: there are other codecs...just check out the libxine-extracodecs
[07:24] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: did you install libxine-extracodecs ?
[07:25] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i just paste that to adept/
[07:25] <devkinetic> ?
[07:25] <intelikey> premier_ ok.   you edit /etc/kde?/kdm/kdm.conf    i think is the location
[07:25] <MarcC> arun, my dell is a T7200 dual core with an nvidia geforce go...it came with linux preinstalled, but I don't know about the non-linux models (mine is the E1505n)
[07:25] <jredburn> how do I add /opt/myprog/bin to my path for sudo?
[07:25] <premier_> intelikey: I'm sorry, I'm not in a good mood... usually when something like X breaks its my fault, but I'd pretty sure I didn't do anything this time
[07:25] <premier_> and once I go to a console window, because thats the only thing that works, I can't go back without a reboot
[07:26] <intelikey> premier_ lets try something right quick shall we...    sudo adduser blah    then on reboot login as blah.
[07:27] <otaku-san> devkinetic: I did this a long time ago...and I haven't used adept in a while..if I'm not mistaken you are going to have to change your list that tells adept what servers to go to
[07:27] <arun> MarcC: No linux for india, it comes with Vista. Blech
[07:27] <otaku-san> and put a new one on there that goes to a server with the codec on it
[07:28] <MarcC> arun, well, at least on the 1505 and other linux models, you know the hardware will work in Linux :)
[07:28] <intelikey> premier_ if that works.  my theory is correct. you have hosed permissions in your home dir   or a config file that is scrambling something   one of the two.    either way if that fails then it's a real mess and would take an act of parlement to correct
[07:28] <MarcC> you just have to pay $50 extra (at least in the US) for Vista
[07:28] <otaku-san> devkinetic: let me get you a link I think I have on this
[07:29] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i turned on all the repos, im searching right now
[07:30] <arun> MarcC: There is no E1505n available in India. The only model here as far as I can see from the Web site with nvidia geforce and dual core processor is XPS  M1330. But that has a tiny 13.3 inch screen. The others have 15.4 inch screens but low end video cards and processors
[07:30] <intelikey> premier_ if that test is successful you can simply copy everything from your home to blah's home and rm everything in your home and login as you, then copy from blah back to you.
[07:30] <ubotu> keyjnote: PDF presentation tool with eye candies. In component universe, is optional. Version 0.8.2-1 (feisty), package size 27 kB, installed size 116 kB
[07:30] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[07:30] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[07:30] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i found libxine-extracodecs
[07:30] <ubotu> devkinetic: please see above
[07:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about wake up - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:30] <otaku-san> devkinetic: cool
[07:30] <intelikey> hi ubotu glad you could join us
[07:31] <arun> MarcC: brb
[07:31] <ShockValue> hrm.. im trying to give my user full access to my NFS share.. root can mount it, but the user cant access it.. the export line looks like this: /media 10.1.1.20(async,no_root_squash,no_subtree_check,rw)
[07:31] <ShockValue> what am i missing here?
[07:31] <otaku-san> ya....I was about to say the same thing intelikey
[07:31] <devkinetic> otaka-san: so after i install this when i fire up kaffeine it should just work or do i have to do anything?
[07:31] <premier_> intelikey: the add user thing didn't help
[07:31] <premier_> its still crashing
[07:32] <intelikey> premier_ for the new user it crashes ?
[07:32] <premier_> why do I find it interesting that I can run gnome as root?
[07:32] <premier_> intelikey: yeah
[07:32] <intelikey> premier_ that's not good.
[07:33] <intelikey> premier_ that's very bad,
[07:33] <premier_> thanks
[07:33] <otaku-san> devkinetic: it's just a lib...so it should just work out of box.  Go ahead and look this over a bit before you step forward.  Just translate some of the Gnome apps to KDE and you'll do good.   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats
[07:33] <premier_> I needed the encoragement
[07:34] <premier_> intelikey: do you have any ideas?  you wanna telenet into my computer, would that help?
[07:35] <intelikey> premier_ sorry,  some times your house burns up, some times your house burns down...     but that's very bad when a new user account can't login and root can run the gui...
[07:35] <otaku-san> hope I helped a little devkinetic
[07:35] <premier_> why is that so bad... what does it mean?
[07:35] <premier_> root *can* run the gui, right?
[07:35] <devkinetic> otaka-san: even if it doesn't work i'll be hopefully 1 step closer
[07:36] <intelikey> premier_ do i want to try to fix it for you....  not really...
[07:36] <premier_> well, I don't know how to fix it myself
[07:36] <otaku-san> devkinetic: it's mostly finding the right codec...checking if adept has a server with it on it...and sudo apt-get installing the lib
[07:36] <intelikey> premier_ yes   but running the gui as root is like using windows with no firewall and no antivirus...  ya just don't want to do that.
[07:37] <arun> back
[07:37] <devkinetic> otaka-san: WOOOO thank you, now i can watch all my stargate sg1 files on her
[07:37] <intelikey> premier_ try logging in as the new user with the gnome session
[07:37] <premier_> intelikey: a windows computer running without a firewall or antivirus will actually run okay for a while
[07:37] <otaku-san> devkinetic: haha glad to help you there.  Stargate...very cool
[07:38] <DaSkreech> devkinetic: worked?
[07:38] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yeah, these particuar files were a bit(you know the rest) to get going on windows
[07:38] <premier_> intelikey: how do I run a gnome session under the new user?
[07:38] <intelikey> premier_ yeah and you can run as root ok for a while.... the lienght of time may very tho
[07:38] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yeah i got it
[07:38] <DaSkreech> Night
[07:38] <intelikey> premier_ select the session at the login prompt
[07:38] <premier_> remember that once I go to console window I cant go back
[07:38] <arun> will kubuntu work with an nvidia quadro card?
[07:39] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i just had no idea about codecs and linux, much simpler on here cuz they don't interfere with eacother
[07:39] <intelikey> premier_ no no.  not from console.  from kdm
[07:39] <otaku-san> DaSkreech: ya leaving man?  Night there
[07:39] <premier_> intelikey: I can't run gnome from kdm with any user... it crashes just like everything else
[07:39] <intelikey> premier_ ok select an x terminal and type in    startkde
[07:40] <otaku-san> devkinetic: well Ubuntu is more for the free codecs...restricted ones like the ones you want...well you'll hit some resistance.
[07:40] <devkinetic> otaka-san: on widnows it was a combo of the v4 divx codec pack, the newest xvid pack, and ffdshow with ac3
[07:40] <premier_> intelikey: what do you mean select an x termian?
[07:40] <premier_> terminal?
[07:40] <intelikey> premier_ in the sessions list in kdm
[07:40] <premier_> intelikey: theres no such option... theres a "failsafe" option that crashes like everything else
[07:41] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yeah, but with a little work, and some help on irc, its easy to get pretty much all of them
[07:41] <otaku-san> devkinetic: wait...you were trying to watch this on windows...and it wasn't playing?
[07:41] <intelikey> premier_ ok...  let me think a minute.
[07:42] <arun> Would you guys recommend an ATI or nVidia card for a new computer
[07:42] <devkinetic> otaka-san: well when i was trying to get them going on windows it actually took me a few days becuase my codec packs were interfereing with eachother, and i had to find a good mix of about 5 codec packs to get it going good
[07:42] <premier_> arun: are you kidding?
[07:42] <intelikey> premier_ this thing has both kdm and gdm installed ?
[07:42] <premier_> arun: for the love of god, get nvidia
[07:42] <otaku-san> devkinetic: ahhh that is what I thought.
[07:43] <intelikey> arun i'd sujest intel
[07:43] <premier_> intelikey: yeah... but I'm not sure if I can run gdm, see, if I run it, it will be impossible to switch to it
[07:43] <devkinetic> arun: nvidia , aside from being better, has better linux support
[07:43] <premier_> arun: whatever you do, don't get an ati card made in the last year or so
[07:43] <Nanoer> does Kubuntu have Nautilus?
[07:43] <arun> haha i'll get nvidia
[07:43] <premier_> arun: if you plan to run linux, theres no reason to get ati
[07:44] <otaku-san> devkinetic: what file format was your stargate stuff in?
[07:44] <otaku-san> ya...ATI is heck from what I've seen..and heard
[07:44] <devkinetic> otaka-san: xvid
[07:45] <premier_> actually, the open source drivers might catch up in a few months... I think I'm going to cry with joy when that happens
[07:45] <devkinetic> otaka-san: it was mostly getting a combo that didn't kill my other media players, like with some packs it would like windows movie maker
[07:45] <arun> are any of these any good? http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/compare.aspx/vostronb?c=in&cs=inbsd1&l=en&s=bsd&~ck=mn
[07:45] <premier_> intelikey: should we try to see if there's a way to run gdm?
[07:45] <devkinetic> otaka-san: *kill
[07:46] <intelikey> premier_ ok it might take a reboot, but let me give you some console dope;  sudo dpkg-reconfigure -plow gdm ;sudo nano /etc/gdm/gdm.conf   and scroll down to the  AllowRoot=  and set it to yes or true and save and exit.
[07:46] <otaku-san> devkinetic: well because it's open source...and of course windows normally has a heart attack with that stuff unless you pamper it
[07:46] <otaku-san> devkinetic: surprised that Ubuntu didn't play it off the bat
[07:47] <intelikey> premier_ if you don't have a root password set you'll have to set one.    sudo passwd        and set one for root,  make it a good one.   then reboot.
[07:47] <devkinetic> otaka-san: yes i had to hold its nose while windows swallowed it so it would taste the sweetness of open source
[07:48] <otaku-san> devkinetic: haha great job.  Ya, I still dual boot...and I have to do that way to often to windows sometimes
[07:49] <intelikey> and for jack's sake premier_ don't go telling people that i helped you finish breaking that thing...   :)
[07:49] <arun> I'm sorry about all the questions :) I'm also planning to get an external hard drive. Is there anything in particular I should look for in it?
[07:49] <devkinetic> otaka-san: i run linux on my lower end comp, windows on my current dev box, and when i get my mac it will become my dev box and i'll run windows on my gaming box
[07:49] <arun> I want it to work on Linux/Windows/OS X
[07:50] <otaku-san> arun: you are talking my kinda configuration there
[07:50] <otaku-san> OS X before Windows tho'
[07:50] <arun> otaku-san: Ah ok
[07:50] <devkinetic> hah
[07:50] <arun> :)
[07:50] <otaku-san> you too devkinetic
[07:50] <devkinetic> oh yes
[07:50] <premier_> intelikey: well, usually I can blame it not working on my doing something stupid... but I have no idea what I did and I have reason to believe it wasn't my fault
[07:51] <Nanoer> Arun: I find getting a internal then putting an enclosure on it works better because most externals here have other kind of crap installed on them
[07:51] <devkinetic> i can't wait for a nice mac to code on
[07:51] <arun> Nanoer: I'd rather not do that. I don't trust myself with that stuff
[07:52] <arun> Any recommendations?
[07:52] <arun> Some people I know have said that some external drives dont work with Kubuntu
[07:52] <Nanoer> Arun: Read the back
[07:52] <devkinetic> i was playing with the 24" imac at best buy last week , mmmm
[07:52] <intelikey> premier_ well what i listed above (should) make gdm the login manager "assuming you selected gdm" and the edit will allow root to login via gdm.   thus you can at the very least work on it from the gui   "until that breaks for root too"...    ;/
[07:52] <Nanoer> Arun: If it says for PC and Mac then your good
[07:53] <premier_> so, I guess the password that is my password is not my password
[07:53] <otaku-san> devkinetic: ya..I do web designing..and windows..is just too gaming.  Macs are meant for dev, and designing
[07:53] <arun> Nanoer: thanks
[07:53] <intelikey> premier_ the password that you use with sudo gksudo and kdesu  is your user password   not a root password
[07:53] <Nanoer> Arun: Your welcome
[07:54] <premier_> intelikey: yeah, but I know I set the root password on this thing
[07:54] <otaku-san> devkinetic: haha I could go on..and on about Macs...but we might have to take it to the off topic kubuntu channel
[07:54] <otaku-san> hehe
[07:54] <devkinetic> otaka-san: exactly what i do, macs make my designing more happy and bright, when im using windows i always tend to use more dark colors
[07:54] <facugaich> guys, how come when I oggdec(ode) a 17 mb file I get a 7mb .wav?
[07:54] <intelikey> premier_ k  was just saying if you don't have one you will have to set one.
[07:54] <jombee> hi everyboyd
[07:54] <arun> So I'll get a Dell laptop. Do you recommend Dell or a Mac? (might be a stupid question to ask here but still)
[07:55] <jombee> anyone use conky?
[07:55] <devkinetic> otaka-san: lol yeah
[07:55] <premier_> are you kidding me?  passwd won't let me exit itself... it demands that I *change* my password, I can't just give my old password againg
[07:55] <intelikey> crtl X
[07:55] <intelikey> errr
[07:55] <intelikey> crtl C
[07:55] <intelikey> ^C
[07:55] <intelikey> sure you can... :)
[07:56] <premier_> okay, I'm in a failsafe session
[07:56] <Nanoer> Arun: If you get a Dell make sure it has an Intel processor otherwise it won't run Mac
[07:56] <otaku-san> arun: wait...I wasn't paying attention..but what are you going to do?  In a nutshell?
[07:56] <premier_> intelikey: you can't ctrl c out, at least I couldn't
[07:56] <premier_> intelikey: I'm in a failsafe X session... how do I bring gdm back up?
[07:56] <arun> otaku-san: I am planning to get a new laptop. I am wondering whether to get a Mac or get a Dell laptop PC
[07:56] <intelikey> err not on this box...    sorry;  -root: passwd: command not found
[07:57] <devkinetic> arun: what do you do on it?
[07:57] <intelikey> premier_ should be as simple as crtl+alt+backspace
[07:57] <otaku-san> arun: well if you are keeping it OS X...go for a Mac
[07:57] <Nanoer> Arun: Also Most Macs though they look cool are kinda old on the technology usually 1000 USD for single core 512MB RAM
[07:58] <premier_> intelikey: okay, I'm logged in as root, in gnome
[07:58] <arun> devkinetic: I do a lot of programming and I also use software like Adobe CS
[07:58] <premier_> in good old knome
[07:58] <premier_> good old gde
[07:58] <arun> I love Kubuntu.. I love the UI and all the apps. I use VMware to test websites in IE or to use photoshop
[07:58] <intelikey> premier_ ok.   now if you can get the user accounts working...
[07:59] <Nanoer> Arun: Last week Mac OS X was selling for 40 bucks so buy a Dell with Intel if you want to save a ton of money but don't care about if your hardware looks cool or not
[07:59] <intelikey> premier_ but i need to go now.   someone else will have to help with the rest.
[07:59] <intelikey> premier_ you ok with that ?
[07:59] <premier_> uh
[08:00] <premier_> okay, who wants to help me figure out why X crashes mysteriously?
[08:00] <arun> Nanoer: Dell hardware looks pretty cool as well. Plus what's more important that everything should work, especially wifi and peripherals like scanners/printers/multiple monitors and external hard drives
[08:00] <intelikey> ok.   later all,  and good luck to your penguin
[08:00] <Nanoer> Arun: Then go with Dell. Macs don't want to be messed up or use anything on it BUT Mac
[08:01] <jombee> premier I'll try to help
[08:01] <Nanoer> Arun: The money you save will me more than enough to replace one or two parts that might not work.
[08:01] <Nanoer> *be
[08:02] <arun> Nanoer: Thanks. I think you get 1GB macbooks for more or less the same price as a Dell laptop, but I think I'll go with Dell
[08:02] <Nanoer> Arun: Really? Where do you live? Here their at least 3x the price
[08:03] <arun> Nanoer: I'm in Bombay, India. I checked at a Mac showroom, the MacBooks cost around Rs 65-70,000 (around $1400)
[08:03] <arun> MacBook Pro is way too expensive, though
[08:03] <Nanoer> Arun: Nice... Last time I went to Bombay 756Mhz processors were the latest thing. xD
[08:04] <arun> You've been to Bombay? Where are you from?
[08:04] <Nanoer> India
[08:04] <arun> Where in?
[08:04] <Nanoer> Bombay and Gujrat
[08:04] <arun> Nice
[08:05] <arun> On a different note, does anyone use Elisa Media Center here?
[08:05] <premier_> jombee: have you been listening to me and intellikey? I can catch you up
[08:05] <arun> looks like an excellent media center application
[08:06] <jombee> premier: no I have not
[08:07] <premier_> jombee: well, I ran out (like really ran out) of disk space on / ... so I moved some files around, and then I rebooted... now, I can get to kdm or gdm, but nothing will run except root... I kdm crashes and restarts, gdm will log in as a failsafe or as root
[08:08] <premier_> if I try to log in as anything in gdm except root I just get diverted to a failsafe console
[08:09] <jombee> what did you move?
[08:09] <jombee> and have you tried to create a new user and log in as it?
[08:09] <premier_> jombee: yeah, the new user has the same issues as the primary user
[08:09] <jombee> and root will log in fine
[08:09] <premier_> jombee: yeah
[08:10] <jombee> what does df -h look like?
[08:10] <premier_> jombee: I moved two folders from /media (part of root) to /home (a seperate partition).  The folders were not mounted drives
[08:11] <premier_> whats lrm?
[08:11] <jombee> how much space do you have left on /home?
[08:11] <jombee> do you know what pastebin is?
[08:11] <premier_> 8.0GB
[08:12] <jombee> premier: do you know what pastebin is?
[08:12] <premier_> jombee: yes, but the computer isn't online
[08:12] <jombee> damn
[08:13] <premier_> another example of something thats broken
[08:13] <jombee> do ls -al /home and tell me who owns your users directories
[08:13] <premier_> oh, gnome just doesn't know my wireless settings
[08:13] <arun> is the next release hoary hedgehog or gutsy gibbon
[08:13] <thunderbolt> Gutsy Gibbon
[08:14] <Nanoer> Is Nautilus a GNOME only thing?
[08:14] <thunderbolt> Hoary was released before we started alphabetizing.
[08:14] <arun> ah ok
[08:14] <arun> heh sorry
[08:14] <thunderbolt> Nanoer: Nautilus is part of GNOME, but you can run it in KDE.
[08:14] <arun> just made a fool of myself :p
[08:14] <Nanoer> Okay thanks
[08:14] <premier_> jombee: theres failsafe, level1, lost+found, portcompy,portcompy-2
[08:14] <arun> is gutsy gibbon is going to come with beryl pre-installed?
[08:14] <arun> that's what i read on some forum
[08:15] <jombee> who is the owner of portcompy?
[08:15] <premier_> level1 and failsafe belong to their users, and everything else to root
[08:15] <premier_> jombee: root... its not a user directory, its just a folder for some stuff I have
[08:15] <jombee> do this sudo chown -R portcompy:portcompy /home/portcompy
[08:15] <premier_> jombee: but I created it after all this trouble started
[08:15] <jombee> what is your username?
[08:16] <premier_> portcompy isn't a user
[08:16] <premier_> level1
[08:16] <jombee> oh
[08:16] <premier_> my user is level1
[08:16] <thunderbolt> arun: Not sure, that's the plan that's in Launchapd, for beryl to come standard.
[08:16] <jombee> alright, try chown -R level1:level1 /home/level1
[08:17] <Nanoer> What's the channel to develp language support for Ubuntu?
[08:17] <jombee> if those are the only directories, then you didn't create another user
[08:17] <premier_> jombee: I created a user called "failsafe"
[08:17] <jombee> unless failsafe is the other user
[08:18] <NickPresta> is there any reason why my flashplugin-nonfree package is being held back?
[08:18] <premier_> yeah... for all my failsafe needs
[08:18] <premier_> NickPresta: what do you mean held back?
[08:18] <thunderbolt> Nanoer: do you mean #ubuntu-translators ?
[08:18] <jombee> and all you did was move some files from /media to /home
[08:18] <premier_> apt-get won't let you install it?
[08:18] <Nanoer> Yea thanks
[08:19] <NickPresta> premier_, `sudo apt-get dist-upgrade` upgraded about 12 packages and kept back flashplugin-nonfree.
[08:19] <premier_> jombee: it might have been that the computer had 0 Bytes of free space on / for a while
[08:19] <jombee> premier: what happens when you try to login from a terminal?
[08:19] <premier_> jombee: I can do it
[08:19] <premier_> jombee: sort of
[08:19] <jombee> sort of???
[08:20] <premier_> jombee: see, my graphics drivers really screw up the ttys... it a problem that exsisited before this mess
[08:20] <jombee> what graphics card do you have?
[08:20] <premier_> so, I can't really go there from an X session, and even if I could, I could come back
[08:20] <premier_> fglrx
[08:20] <premier_> ati mobility radeon X1400
[08:21] <jombee> and can you see anything from a terminal?
[08:21] <premier_> I think I might just go back to vesa
[08:21] <premier_> jombee: see?
[08:21] <jombee> yeah, can you type in a terminal and see the output
[08:21] <premier_> jombee: well, the hot keys that *go* to the terminal don't work
[08:21] <jombee> ugh
[08:21] <premier_> and as I said, even if I could go there, I couldn't come back
[08:22] <premier_> but I'm logged into a gnome session right now
[08:22] <jombee> as root
[08:22] <ShockValue> this is getting weird.. i enable my second display, restart X, and all is OK.  if i then reboot, the machine locks up when it starts X.. if i disable the second display, then it boots up again just fine
[08:22] <premier_> I have a gterm all ready to go, too
[08:23] <premier_> jombee: so what do I need to see from the terminal?
[08:23] <jombee> the output of startx from your user
[08:23] <jombee> it should crash, but provide some kind of clue as to what is happening
[08:24] <premier_> jombee: it doesn't
[08:24] <premier_> we tried
[08:24] <jombee> doesn't crash
[08:24] <premier_> doesn't give anything useful
[08:24] <arun> Anyone know of any good media center apps?
[08:24] <jombee> root.... you shouldn't connect to the net when logged in as root
[08:25] <premier_> good thing I'm not
[08:25] <premier_> I'm using a different computer to talk to you
[08:25] <jombee> I was talking to the person who just logged in
[08:25] <premier_> I'm sorry if I'm being sarchastic... its been a long day and I'm really peeved about this
[08:25] <premier_> oh
[08:25] <NickPresta> is there any reason why my flashplugin-nonfree package is being held back?
[08:26] <NickPresta> or how I can check the reason
[08:26] <jombee> if you log in from a terminal, does it load into gnome, or does it load a failsafe terminal?
[08:26] <premier_> jombee: if I do startx as a normal user, it prints some information and then dies without an error
[08:27] <premier_> jombee: if I do it as a super user, it logs into gonem
[08:27] <premier_> gnome
[08:27] <jombee> what are the permissions on /etc/X11
[08:28] <jombee> sounds like your users don't have the correct permissions to execute the X environment
[08:28] <premier_> jombee: root root and so on
[08:29] <jombee> the advanced permissions rwxrwxrwx directly to the left of root:root
[08:29] <premier_> well, I have drwxr-xr-x root root... what permissions do they need?
[08:29] <jombee> that's right
[08:30] <jombee> what are the permissions on /usr/bin/X11
[08:31] <premier_> its a link... to... "."
[08:31] <premier_> whats dot?  pwd?
[08:32] <jombee> . indicates the current directory
[08:32] <jombee> but the perms should be lrwxrwxrwx
[08:32] <premier_> well, yeah, links don't have permissions
[08:34] <jombee> I don't know man, I probably would have reinstalled by now
[08:34] <Jemidon> !mp3
[08:34] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:35] <premier_> jombee: if thats true and you were me, you would be reinstalling every week or two
[08:35] <Jemidon> !adeptinstaller
[08:35] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about adeptinstaller - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:35] <premier_> because that's how often I run into this kind of trouble
[08:35] <jombee> is this a weird setup or some kind of crazy laptop
[08:36] <heroki> !adept
[08:36] <premier_> dell inspiron E1705
[08:36] <ubotu> adept is the Kubuntu package manager. Howto: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AdeptHowto
[08:36] <orient2000> .
[08:37] <jombee> does anyone know anything about conky?
[08:37] <Jemidon> heroki: reason i am trying to find out, my installer is having errors committing changes
[08:37] <heroki> hm
[08:37] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: sudo apt-get -f install
[08:37] <heroki> have you considered a different apt-get method?
[08:37] <heroki> yeah, try that
[08:37] <Daisuke_Ido> in konsole
[08:37] <heroki> make sure adept is closed when you run that command
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> most definitely, or there will be errors
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> (nothing that can't be fixed by closing adept and running the command again, of course)
[08:38] <ShockValue> best KDE/QT mp3 tagger opinion?
[08:38] <Daisuke_Ido> amarok
[08:39] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm sure there's a better dedicated tagger, but for what i do, it's fine
[08:39] <ShockValue> i love amarok, but i prefer to tag my files before i import them
[08:39] <Jemidon> ok that's done
[08:39] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: should have finished committing changes
[08:39] <Jemidon> says : 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[08:40] <NickPresta> jombee, I use conky sometimes. it's decent
[08:40] <Daisuke_Ido> go through adept and try again :)
[08:40] <jombee> how do you get it to stop flashing
[08:40] <Jemidon> Dai: just tried that, same error message
[08:40] <jombee> I do have doublebuffering on
[08:41] <NickPresta> jombee, I changed the update interval (3.0 seconds for me) and it stopped flickering
[08:41] <Daisuke_Ido> there was an error downloading or committing...  what are you trying to install, and from what repo?
[08:41] <Jemidon> Dai: i'm t rying to install xine codecs for mp3 playback and from the Ubuntu repo
[08:43] <heroki> !codecs
[08:43] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:43] <heroki> that's the docs for it
[08:43] <heroki> you might have already been there though :P
[08:44] <Jemidon> Dai: i just tried an update with Adept Manager and it has paused at downloading  the universe packages
[08:44] <Jemidon> heroki: lol yep :P
[08:44] <heroki> so you want to use xine to play mp3s?
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> Jemidon: libxine-extracodecs?
[08:44] <Daisuke_Ido> heroki: not the same thing
[08:44] <heroki> alright
[08:44] <heroki> i think when i installed that package, though, i didn't have problems afterwards
[08:45] <heroki> but it was for divx, not mp3, i think
[08:45] <Daisuke_Ido> sounds like it's not connecting to that repo perhaps :\
[08:46] <heroki> i had problems updating from security.ubuntu.com the other day
[08:46] <heroki> it's possible *shrug*
[08:47] <wers> other than htop, are there other apps that will show me my system's processes and RAM usage?
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> top :P
[08:47] <ardchoille> top, free
[08:47] <heroki> gtop works too, if you want another graphical one
[08:47] <Daisuke_Ido> ksysguard if you prefer a graphical view of things
[08:47] <heroki> er.
[08:47] <heroki> sorry.
[08:48] <wers> in ksysguard, which is it that shows ram usage?
[08:48] <wers> is it "physical memory?"
[08:48] <Daisuke_Ido> that would be it
[08:49] <wers> how about processes, would that be
[08:49] <wers> CPU load?
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> the tab that says "processes"
[08:49] <Daisuke_Ido> looks like ksysguard is a little more up to date than the last time i checked it out (3.5.7)
[08:49] <wers> there is a process thable tab but I want to see the total usage of my processor
[08:49] <heroki> it could be a bit simpler on the panel, though
[08:50] <Jemidon> back
[08:50] <Jemidon> stupid wireless
[08:50] <Jemidon> Dai: yes libxine-extracodecs is the one that i'm trying to get
[08:52] <wers> what does the CPU load in ksysguard show? Processes?
[08:52] <ardchoille> !info libxine-extracodecs
[08:52] <ubotu> libxine-extracodecs: the xine video/media player library, transitional package. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 1.1.4-2ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 38 kB, installed size 68 kB
[08:53] <wers> according to htop, my mem usage is consistently 335/440MB. do you think I need a ram upgrade?
[08:54] <Daisuke_Ido> it couldn't hurt, but that's a part of the way linux handles memory
[08:55] <Daisuke_Ido> if it's needed, it's released to the process that needs it, i believe
[08:55] <ardchoille> wers: open a term and run: free
[08:55] <ardchoille> wers: Look at the buffers/cache line
[08:55] <wers> buffers:2276
[08:55] <wers> cached:97404
[08:56] <wers> what does that mean?
[08:56] <ardchoille> wers: No, look at the second line under used and free
[08:56] <NickPresta> memory reallocation is expensive. memory is freed when needed.
[08:56] <ardchoille> Right
[08:56] <wers> used: 344144
[08:57] <Jemidon> Dai: i tried to install from command and it says that the extra codecs have unmet dependencies and it depends on libxine1-ffmpeg but it is noninstallable
[08:57] <wers> free: 106808
[08:57] <Daisuke_Ido> sudo apt-get update
[08:57] <ardchoille> wers: upgrading ram wouldn't hurt
[08:57] <wers> I'm wondering, why is my total swap 0?
[08:58] <wers> I have a 2GB swap partition
[08:58] <ardchoille> because it isn't being used
[08:58] <wers> ooh
[08:58] <Daisuke_Ido> wers: because windows is satanic and uses swap all the time
[08:58] <wers> what is the swap for anyway?
[08:58] <Daisuke_Ido> linux is sane and doesn't.
[08:58] <Jemidon> Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[08:58] <Jemidon> Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1
[08:59] <Jemidon> that's what i keep getting every time i sudo apt-get update
[08:59] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Does this help? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=397725
[09:00] <wers> I have 512 MB now, how much ram do I upgrade too?
[09:00] <wers> would 1.5 GB be practical or too much?
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> practical
[09:00] <Daisuke_Ido> and probably financially the best option
[09:00] <ardchoille> wers: When I build a system I always put 1gb ra in it
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> i'm running 1gb and never swap
[09:01] <ardchoille> same
[09:01] <wers> even if I have a slow processor?
[09:01] <wers> I have a Celeron M
[09:01] <wers> I think 1.5ghz
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> still ddr400
[09:01] <Daisuke_Ido> right?
[09:02] <wers> what is ddr400?
[09:02] <ardchoille> PC3200?
[09:02] <Daisuke_Ido> ram designation, aka pc3200
[09:02] <wers> I do not know what those things are.. sorry
[09:02] <Jemidon> ardchoille: it gets to 99% (connecting to wine.budgetdedicated.com (81.171.111.184) and stops
[09:03] <ardchoille> Jemidon: That url won't even open for me
[09:03] <Jemidon> ardchoille: then the connection times out,
[09:03] <ardchoille> Same here.
[09:04] <Jemidon> ardchoille: lol i wonder why it won't open
[09:04] <Dragon121> hey
[09:04] <ardchoille> Jemidon: May be the server
[09:04] <Dragon121> im new to ubuntu
[09:04] <Dragon121> i kinda need some help
[09:04] <Dragon121> can anyone help me
[09:04] <ardchoille> Dragon121: Hi, welcome. What is your issue?
[09:04] <Dragon121> well
[09:05] <Jemidon> ardchoille: Heh...that's very odd...i updated my wine earlier today
[09:05] <Dragon121> im trying to install a microsoft product and i got wine but it wont go
[09:05] <ardchoille> !wine
[09:05] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[09:05] <Dragon121> yea
[09:05] <Dragon121> wine
[09:05] <Dragon121> its a product
[09:05] <Dragon121> lol
[09:05] <Dragon121> its called wine emulator
[09:05] <Daisuke_Ido> wrong
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> :P
[09:06] <Dragon121> lol
[09:06] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Sorry, can't help with wine, I haven't touched a Windows product in over 7 years.
[09:06] <Dragon121> whoa lol
[09:06] <Dragon121> then what games you play
[09:06] <Dragon121> lol
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> Wine Is Not an Emulator (exactly what WINE stands for)
[09:06] <Dragon121> lol
[09:06] <ardchoille> I don't play games.
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> not all of us play games
[09:06] <Jemidon> #winehq is where you can go for help as well Drago
[09:06] <Dragon121> k
[09:06] <Dragon121> ty
[09:06] <Daisuke_Ido> although, a lot of games are playable through wine
[09:06] <Dragon121> yea
[09:07] <Dragon121> i just wanna install steam
[09:07] <Dragon121> i need to know how though
[09:07] <wers> should RAM size and processor speed be proportionate?
[09:07] <Daisuke_Ido> ouch
[09:07] <Jemidon> ardchoille: oh no it's no problem ardchoille wait a second, it fetched something
[09:07] <Daisuke_Ido> wers: not necessarily
[09:07] <wers> ooh.. okay
[09:07] <wers> thanks
[09:07] <Daisuke_Ido> Dragon121: http://appdb.winehq.org/
[09:08] <Daisuke_Ido> that will help immensely
[09:08] <Jemidon> heh i was just there earlier too
[09:08] <ardchoille> Jemidon: repos can do that now and then
[09:09] <Jemidon> ardchoille: so i just keep trying to update until i get no broken packages?
[09:10] <ardchoille> yes
[09:11] <ardchoille> Jemidon: Wait, broken packages?
[09:11] <ardchoille> From the wine repo?
[09:11] <Daisuke_Ido> ardchoille: -f install didn't help
[09:11] <ardchoille> Oh
[09:11] <Daisuke_Ido> and it's libxine-extracodecs from universe
[09:12] <Daisuke_Ido> adept gave the "problem downloading or committing" error
[09:12] <ardchoille> That's a repo problem.
[09:12] <Jemidon> ardchoille: yea, for some reason my libxine-extracodecs package is broken
[09:12] <Daisuke_Ido> not broken, nonexistant.  the repo's being a pain
[09:12] <Jemidon> ardchoille: sorry, if i wasn't clear lol
[09:12] <ardchoille> Jemidon: I would wait a bit and try later.. sounds like a repo is b0rked or something
[09:13] <ardchoille> could be updating commits or some such
[09:13] <Jemidon> ardchoille: hmm...odd that it's been b0rked all day lol...everything else upgrades with no prob
[09:13] <spawn57> my ssiter's friend asked me to put some music on her 30gb ipod
[09:13] <spawn57> ...5 mins later I told her there wasn't enough space on it..
[09:13] <ardchoille> Jemidon: recently the security repo was down for hours, it happens.
[09:14] <Jemidon> ardchoille: well then lol what fun what fun
[09:14] <ardchoille> hehe
[09:15] <Jemidon> oh well, i suppose i'll have to try tomorrow or something, it doesn't help that my internet kept shutting off the other day
[09:17] <ardchoille> You break it, you bought it
[09:17] <ardchoille> lol
[09:17] <Daisuke_Ido> good thing ubuntu's free, huh?
[09:17] <Jemidon> exactly
[09:18] <NickPresta> it's gratis
[09:18] <Jemidon> let the security team fix it
[09:18] <Jemidon> hee hee
[09:25] <dsmith> dont kick the repos..
[09:30] <Jemidon> y?
[09:34] <Daisuke_Ido> cuz they kick back?
[09:41] <Jemidon> i kick harder hee hee
[09:43] <StR> !ubuntu
[09:43] <ubotu> Ubuntu is a complete Linux-based operating system, freely available with both community and professional support. It is developed by a large community and we invite you to participate too! - Also see http://www.ubuntu.com
[09:46] <kuukkeli> Got problems.  1st: Kubuntu or ubuntu, both are pixel mess. but after changing nv to vesa from xserver-xorg it works
[09:47] <kuukkeli> 2nd: Everytime i enable nvidia drivers and rebnoot, linux crashes and comes to black screen what i can type to.
[09:47] <kuukkeli> *reboot
[09:47] <panigrc> hi
[09:47] <kuukkeli> hi
[09:48] <panigrc> i have a problem with greasemonkey, when i am trying to install a script it doesn't show the popup but it does show the whole script, I 've searched but couldn't find anything
[09:49] <Daisuke_Ido> that's not a kubuntu problem
[09:50] <Daisuke_Ido> that's a firefox problem, and more specifically, a greasemonkey problem
[09:50] <Jemidon> grease and monkey don't go well together
[09:50] <Jemidon> too slippery
[09:50] <panigrc> i know but how can i debug ?? the error console doesn't tell anything
[09:50] <panigrc> lol
[09:51] <Jemidon> havn't a clue, i'm still trying to get the damn repositories to update on my end
[09:51] <Jemidon> lol
[09:51] <vzduch> Jemidon: what's the problem?
[09:52] <panigrc> i thought that it was the linux version problem cause before some months when i had *** greasemonkey worked
[09:52] <dsmith> Jemidon: has been kicking the repos and they shut him out
[09:52] <Jemidon> vzduch: one of my repositories is still down for something, so i can't get the updates i need to install stuff and i keep kicking the repos hoping they'll respond
[09:52] <Jemidon> nicely i might add
[09:53] <Jemidon> or one of the repositories i should say, they aren't mine
[09:53] <vzduch> Jemidon: tried a different mirror?
[09:53] <Jemidon> cause if it were mine,  i wouldn't be in this situation...grr
[09:53] <Jemidon> vzduch, i dunno any other mirror
[09:54] <vzduch> Jemidon: which mirror is it that isn't responding?
[09:55] <Jemidon> http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/feisty/universe/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Sub-process gzip returned an error code (1)
[09:55] <panigrc> has anyone managed to install xgl ?
[09:56] <Jemidon> and with sudo apt-get -f update i get the following: Err http://us.archive.ubuntu.com feisty/universe Packages
[09:56] <panigrc> ok there is another problem too .. sometimes when i shut down kubuntu then is stops with a black screen without to follow the shut down proccess this is very bad
[09:57] <joker14> gibts die seite auf deutsch ?
[09:57] <waylandbill> panigrc: ati proprietary?
[09:57] <pag> !de | joker14
[09:57] <ubotu> joker14: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[09:57] <jombee> what are the risks associated with upgrading to kde 4?
[09:58] <kuukkeli> Got problems.  1st: Kubuntu or ubuntu, both are pixel mess. but after changing nv to vesa from xserver-xorg it works
[09:58] <kuukkeli> 2nd: Everytime i enable nvidia drivers and rebnoot, linux crashes and comes to black screen what i can type to.
[09:59] <panigrc> also when i try to run firefox then it takes so long and then it stops
[09:59] <panigrc> (sometimes)
[10:01] <panigrc> but from the other features i am fully satisfied
[10:02] <waylandbill> panigrc: are you using the proprietary ati display driver?
[10:02] <panigrc> i have tried to install it but when i am trying to test opengl  idon't remember the command
[10:03] <panigrc> it says again mesa 3d
[10:03] <panigrc> sorry i have install it
[10:03] <panigrc> i changed the xorg.conf
[10:03] <panigrc> but the 3d is still mesa
[10:03] <panigrc> and openoffice doesn't work
[10:03] <panigrc> and some other programms
[10:05] <panigrc> if you can guide me to find a solution i would be thankfull
[10:05] <panigrc> probably ati drivers are not as good yet
[10:07] <panigrc> i have ati 9600 xt
[10:08] <vzduch> Jemidon: it's a bit complicated as it seems finding mirrors.. but perhaps you might (at least for the moment) change the "us" in your faulty mirror to something else (e.g. "ca") or leave it out
[10:11] <hangthedj> panigrc: sorry i don't know anything about ati
[10:11] <hangthedj> !ati
[10:11] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:12] <panigrc> thanx i'll check it out and tell you
[10:13] <waylandbill> that's the one I used for ati driver.
[10:15] <vzduch> kuukkeli: what card do you have?
[10:21] <_Codeman_> Does kubuntu have joystick support and if so what joysticks and what packages, if any, do I need
[10:26] <kuukkeli> vzduch
[10:26] <kuukkeli> nvidia 6600 gt agp
[10:28] <vzduch> not that I knew too much about recent cards.. but it should work w/ the standard nvidia-glx
[10:28] <ardchoille> !nvidia
[10:28] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[10:29] <panigrc> i finally managed to install scripts in greasemonkey
[10:30] <panigrc> i did a new profile and transfered all needed to that profile
[10:35] <vzduch> kuukkeli: what exactly do you get when starting w/ nvidia enabled?
[10:37] <kuukkeli> after enabling the drivers, i restart and then comes black screen
[10:37] <vzduch> kuukkeli: only black screen or a command prompt?
[10:37] <kuukkeli> more like terminal without pregave text
[10:37] <kuukkeli> black screen what i can type to
[10:38] <vzduch> so you get a command prompt?
[10:38] <kuukkeli> yup
[10:38] <vzduch> then when you're in there, type 'startx'.. it should give you error messages
[10:38] <kuukkeli> oh, okay.
[10:39] <kuukkeli> next time i do that
[10:40] <vzduch> and when you get errors starting up X, you might also want to read through /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[10:40] <boguh> hi, where to install new kdm themes?
[10:40] <vzduch> these errors give you (or at least more experienced ppl) clues as to what goes wrong
[10:40] <pag> !find kdm-theme
[10:41] <ubotu> Found: kde-kdm-themes
[10:41] <boguh> i ment is it done in control center or elsewhere?
[10:41] <pag> boguh, install kdmtheme -package :)
[10:42] <pag> boguh, yeha, that is what you will achieve with ' kdmtheme '  I remembered packagename wrong at the begining
[10:43] <boguh> should be installed by default
[10:44] <Existz> anyone an nvidia professional?
[10:44] <pag> boguh, umm... Vim should also be fully installed by default, so is the thing with $anyotherprogramm  there's just not enough space to satisfy everyone :)
[10:45] <pag> !ask | Existz
[10:45] <ubotu> Existz: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:45] <boguh> hehe, but still cant find the kdm theme manager :(
[10:45] <Existz> pag my nvidia kernel module won't load
[10:46] <sx666> I can not find the sudo apt-get install 915resolution in kubuntu...
[10:46] <pag> boguh, if you've installed "kdmtheme" the manager should be found in kcontrol -> system admin. -> KDM Theme..
[10:46] <pag> Existz, does it give any error?
[10:47] <Existz> that's the error
[10:47] <pag> boguh, or if you prefer system settings, then it can be found under Appearance
[10:48] <pag> Existz, so what exactly are you doing; which command fails?
[10:48] <sx66> anyone conf the 915resolution?
[10:49] <Existz> when I try to start x
[10:49] <Existz> I get nvidia-kernel-module failed toload
[10:49] <Existz> brb man pissing
[10:49] <pag> !info 915resolution | sx66
[10:49] <ubotu> sx66: 915resolution: resolution modification tool for Intel graphic chipset. In component universe, is extra. Version 0.5.2-10ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 14 kB, installed size 124 kB (Only available for i386 amd64 kfreebsd-i386 kfreebsd-amd64)
[10:50] <sx66> pag: yes, so....where is it in kubuntu? via sudo apt-get install 915resolution, E: Couldn't find package 915resolution
[10:50] <pag> !universe | sx66
[10:50] <ubotu> sx66: The packages in Kubuntu are divided into various sections. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories/Kubuntu
[10:51] <Total_dumbass> Hi all!
[10:51] <sx66> pag: I have searched for the "915" nothing. even when I had updated...
[10:51] <pag> sx66, well do you have universe enabled?
[10:51] <Total_dumbass> Got a little problem here... Tried to install KDE on Ubuntu (aptitude install kubuntu-desktop, kde-desktop etc), seems that everything went fine, but now I lost my login screen (have to type startx to get into GUI), and there's no KDE, just good old Ubuntu Nautilus... How to get to KDE? Any ideas? Thanks.
[10:52] <pag> Total_dumbass, sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm   see if that helps with the first problem
[10:52] <vzduch> Total_dumbass: for starters, try 'sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start'
[10:53] <Total_dumbass> Thanks, I'll try that.
[10:53] <vzduch> from out of X, that is
[10:54] <Dragon121> yo
[10:54] <Dragon121> i have a uqestion
[10:54] <Dragon121> if you guys can hear me
[10:54] <Dragon121> can ubuntu get viruses?
[10:55] <Total_dumbass> Probably- yes.
[10:55] <Dragon121> like
[10:55] <Dragon121> how
[10:55] <Dragon121> do i need antivirus software?
[10:55] <pag> Dragon121, less than 1% chanse for getting them, so don't worry
[10:55] <pag> !virus | Dragon121
[10:55] <ubotu> Dragon121: A/V software is available, however read this to understand why Linux does not have a virus problem: http://librenix.com/?inode=21
[10:56] <Dragon121> phew ty
[10:56] <Total_dumbass> Try Clamav...
[10:56] <Dragon121> well u need wine for tht
[10:56] <pag> there's no need for A/V unless you run a mailserver
[10:56] <vzduch> Dragon121: http://web.archive.org/web/20060515194001/http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm
[10:57] <vzduch> pag: or download Windoze software for family members who refuse to use Linux ;)
[10:58] <Total_dumbass> Going on reboot... Hoping everything will work fine. :)
[10:58] <pag> vzduch, yeah :-)
[10:59] <Existz> back
[10:59] <Dragon121> well i am running mozzila thunderbird and AIM
[11:00] <Dragon121> so is tht ok
[11:00] <Dragon121> ???
[11:00] <pag> Existz, do you have nvidia-glx installed?
[11:00] <Dragon121> oh and what about spyware
[11:00] <Dragon121> i hate tht shit
[11:00] <sx66> is kubuntu less resource hogg as ubuntu?
[11:00] <Dragon121> yes
[11:00] <sx66> yes?
[11:00] <Dragon121> i have ubuntu
[11:00] <Dragon121> running ATM
[11:00] <sx66> atm?
[11:00] <Dragon121> at the moment
[11:01] <sx66> what is atm?
[11:01] <waylandbill> sx66: when using kde based programs, it uses less resources.
[11:01] <tmbg_> at the moment
[11:01] <sx66> oh
[11:01] <Dragon121> lol
[11:01] <sx66> lol
[11:01] <vzduch> sx66: in my experience, *buntu is not a resource hog anyway..
[11:01] <sx66> gnome=more resources?
[11:01] <Dragon121> i like ubuntu WAY better than xp or vista i have em both
[11:01] <vzduch> sx66: if you want to see a resource hog, try openSUSE..
[11:01] <waylandbill> since it is reusing the same libraries, it doesn't to load as many
[11:01] <sx66> haha
[11:01] <pag> Dragon121, don't worry about viruses / spyware... and by the way: Please keep this channel family friendly.
[11:02] <Dragon121> ok sorry bout my language
[11:02] <sx66> xfce I found is the most effective.
[11:02] <Dragon121> wont do it again
[11:03] <sx66> xfce does not make my fan start up. kde and gnome make it start...how can I configure that?
[11:04] <hangthedj> on my laptop there is a toshiba utility.  maybe there is one for your computer.
[11:05] <sx66> does linux reconz. that? hangthedj
[11:05] <vzduch> ?
[11:05] <sx66> ?
[11:05] <hangthedj> when i installed linux on my laptop, it did.
[11:05] <sx66> what app did it install?
[11:06] <hangthedj> toshset i think.
[11:06] <hangthedj> lemme check
[11:06] <Dragon121> why doesnt your fan start up lol
[11:06] <Dragon121> u have a laptop?
[11:07] <Dragon121> running ubuntu or kbuntu
[11:07] <kharloss> hi there. i have a problem . when i try transfer some files from my HDD to my USB stick , transfer is verry slow ...  sometimes 1 MB but often  less then 32 kb/sec   and  verry  "fluctuating" ...   any solution ?
[11:07] <Dragon121> umm
[11:08] <Dragon121> i think your computer is slow
[11:08] <Dragon121> or its a problem
[11:08] <Dragon121> with ubuntu
[11:08] <Dragon121> or kbuntu
[11:08] <Dragon121> just guessign
[11:08] <hangthedj> sx66: it installed fnfxd toshset and toshutils, which all do the same thing.
[11:08] <sx66> Dragon121: yes, my fan is at 100% now, I have ... p(m) 1gb ram
[11:09] <gabriele> ciao a tutti
[11:09] <vzduch> kharloss: USB 1.1?
[11:09] <gabriele> ma qui si parla inglese
[11:09] <kharloss> no   usb 2.0 i guess . my computer suport  2.0
[11:09] <vzduch> !it | gabriele
[11:09] <sx66> Dragon121: what is ubiquity? it is in the top of my sudo top.
[11:10] <hangthedj> kharloss: the device may not.
[11:10] <glauco1> hi, i have a problem with azureus, he cresh when i open it
[11:10] <glauco1> :
[11:10] <sx66> so, kde is lighter weight than gnome?
[11:10] <hangthedj> nah just better.
[11:10] <sx66> how?
[11:11] <glauco1> what i must do?
[11:11] <sx66> hangthedj: how is kde better? as in the cpu and etc handling?
[11:12] <Lynoure> glauco1: if you do not insist on using azureus, try some other torrent client, like ktorrent?
[11:12] <waylandbill> sx66: when using kde applications, it uses less resources than a gnome desktop. R
[11:12] <waylandbill> Running firefox or the like will use non kde libraries though.
[11:12] <glauco1> ktorrent give me other problems
[11:12] <hangthedj> alot more features, alot more configuration, alot prettier.  alot more comforatable
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[11:13] <sx66> oh
[11:13] <vzduch> a lot, comfortable :)
[11:13] <arun> comfortable
[11:13] <arun> :)
[11:13] <hangthedj> thanks
[11:13] <pag> glauco1, if you really need Azureus, then installing java might help
[11:13] <sx66> lol
[11:13] <waylandbill> acutally 'alot' was correct, not 'a lot'
[11:14] <hangthedj> and i work at a college i should be ashamed
[11:14] <arun> umm does gmail not work in konqueror
[11:14] <arun> a lot is correct
[11:14] <sx66> how do you see your sys resources beside using top?
[11:14] <arun> not alot
[11:14] <sx66> lol
[11:14] <glauco1> i have alredy installed
[11:14] <arun> sx66: ksysguard
[11:14] <sx66> what is your top 10 fav. apps guys?
[11:14] <pag> arun, works for me :s you might have to use fake user-agent though
[11:15] <Lynoure> arun: a lot is correct of gmail in konqueror, because they don't support it fully.
[11:15] <arun> it didnt work with the fake user agent
[11:15] <hangthedj> hitting control+escape will take you there.
[11:15] <tmbg_> sx66, xsensors
[11:15] <pag> sx66, amarok, konqueror, vim...
[11:16] <tmbg_> amarok takes some getting used to but I like it a lot
[11:16] <Dragon121> lol
[11:16] <waylandbill> actually, being a dead metaphor, it's best just to say more.
[11:17] <hangthedj> joe, amarok, k3b, konqueror, kaudiocreator, kpat, vmware
[11:17] <waylandbill> arun: it works with the fake user agent. M
[11:18] <waylandbill> Make sure you have mail.google.com as the site
[11:18] <vzduch> konsole, irssi, krusader, konqueror, k3b, kmail, audacious, idjc
[11:18] <arun> waylandbill: with the fake user agent, it just outputs everything as plain text
[11:18] <arun> no layout or anything
[11:18] <arun> just words
[11:18] <arun> one after the other
[11:18] <hangthedj> oh yeah yakuake
[11:18] <sx66> what is normal for ksysguard viewing in the charts?
[11:19] <waylandbill> arun: i set it to tell that I'm firefox and then I had to switch out of standard mode.
[11:20] <arun> how do you switch out of standard mode
[11:20] <sx66> arun: standard mode of what? and why?
[11:20] <waylandbill> sx66: gmail's standard mode.
[11:20] <sx66> lol
[11:21] <arun> i can only view it in html mode with konqueror's default identification
[11:21] <waylandbill> arun: it should have a link at the top or bottom. Loading the site now.
[11:21] <arun> otherwise it just outputs plain text
[11:21] <arun> weird
[11:21] <sx66> what time is it over there guys?
[11:21] <hangthedj> 2 am
[11:21] <sx66> 02:23:45 am
[11:22] <vzduch> @ now berlin
[11:22] <TheInfinity> 11:19 *g*
[11:22] <ubotu> Current time in Europe/Berlin: July 14 2007, 11:22:06 - Next meeting: Xubuntu Developers in 7 hours 37 minutes
[11:22] <arun> and how do i configure konqueror to use ctrl enter for .com, shift enter for .net, etc
[11:22] <sx66> lol
[11:22] <sx66> hak5 FTW!
[11:22] <sx66> brb
[11:22] <replman> Hi!
[11:23] <pag> !hi | replman
[11:23] <ubotu> replman: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:24] <hangthedj> !hi | crazyrobot
[11:24] <ubotu> crazyrobot: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[11:24] <hangthedj> :)
[11:24] <hangthedj> !hi | hangthedj
[11:24] <pag> !botabuse | hangthedj
[11:24] <ubotu> hangthedj: Please investigate with me only in /msg or in #ubuntu-bots (see also !Bot). Abusing the channel bots will only result in angry ops...
[11:25] <replman> I successfully installed a new graphic-card and the driver to that card. Everything works fine, only the resolution is bad (~ 800x600). When i go to control-center -> display -> sysadmin, it seems that kdesu is outside of the screen ;-)
[11:25] <vzduch> the sun is shining, the radio is playing Gypsy Kings :)
[11:25] <hangthedj> ?
[11:25] <vzduch> replman: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[11:25] <replman> but without sysadmin-mode i cannot change the resolution ;-)
[11:27] <arun> maria maria
[11:27] <arun> replman: do what vzduch said
[11:28] <replman> vzduch: thank you. I know that i also can edit the xorg.conf-file, but it's very weak, that something like that can happen....
[11:28] <arun> ?
[11:28] <vzduch> seems the probing for the monitor is not too good in *buntu
[11:28] <replman> isn't there a way to get kdesu back
[11:28] <vzduch> resp. that of the Nvidia driver
[11:28] <vzduch> replman: ?
[11:28] <imslow357> my question mark key is  `s! :-(
[11:29] <replman> Yes, nvidia set the monitor to "generic"
[11:29] <vzduch> replman: gotta blame Nvidia for that..
[11:29] <replman> vzduch: ;-)
[11:30] <sx66> how do you install a printer?
[11:30] <replman> vzduch: but i think especialy kdesu should check if it's position is outside of the screen
[11:31] <skollie> sx66: System Settings, Printers
[11:31] <sx66> lol crashed
[11:32] <sx66> keeps crashing
[11:32] <skollie> sx66: what keeps crashing
[11:32] <sx66> printing...hold on
[11:33] <ciga> hi
[11:33] <Dragon121> u have a thing that is conflicting with it thts why
[11:33] <Dragon121> hi
[11:33] <hangthedj> whats the ubuntu channel to talk about random ubuntu stuff?
[11:34] <Dragon121> yes
[11:34] <Dragon121> and other things
[11:34] <Dragon121> like games
[11:34] <Dragon121> support
[11:34] <Dragon121> with ubuntu
[11:34] <pag> hangthedj, #ubuntu-offtopic
[11:34] <ciga> I appended vga=795 to grub, now I have 1280x1024 for console. how do I change the refresh rate from 60hz to 75hz?
[11:34] <hangthedj> thats the one.
[11:34] <skollie> hangthedj:  the #ubuntu channel is for support. #ubuntu-offtopic is for random stuff
[11:35] <Existz> question
[11:35] <Existz> how many headers should I have in my /usr/src location?
[11:36] <sx66> how do you set the screen backlight to turn off at 1min?
[11:36] <pag> Existz, I have four
[11:36] <Existz> I have 4 also
[11:36] <Existz> that doesn't seem right
[11:36] <Dragon121> k
[11:36] <hangthedj> Existz: as many as you have kernels. if you installed them all.
[11:36] <sx66> got it nvm
[11:36] <Existz> you got my problem with nvidia kernel not loading?
[11:36] <Existz> geforce 8500
[11:36] <i98linux> hellow... i like mount a system raid (software) i have use a mdadm command?
[11:37] <Dragon121> why is there always a problem with nvidia cards for ubuntu???
[11:37] <Dragon121> they need to fix it
[11:37] <pag> Existz, install nividia-glx-new (I guess...)
[11:37] <Existz> using
[11:37] <Existz> NVIDIA-Linux-x86-100.14.09-pkg1.run
[11:37] <Existz> seriously, they do
[11:37] <sx66> RESTART, wo0o completed install :D
[11:37] <Existz> pag
[11:37] <Existz> did that
[11:37] <Existz> no dice
[11:37] <Existz> went all over the world
[11:38] <Existz> and went to new beta drivers which gave better results
[11:38] <Existz> and those are it
[11:38] <Existz> no other drivers
[11:38] <Existz> support my card
[11:38] <sx66> brb
[11:38] <i98linux> hellow... i like mount a system raid (software) i have use a mdadm command?
[11:38] <Existz> dragon
[11:38] <Existz> what card you running?
[11:38] <Dragon121> nvidia geforce FX 5200
[11:38] <Dragon121> kinda old
[11:38] <Existz> use to have that
[11:38] <Dragon121> but decent
[11:39] <Dragon121> yea
[11:39] <Existz> until it fried itself
[11:39] <Dragon121> how lol
[11:39] <Dragon121> now im worried
[11:39] <Existz> didn't have a power surge
[11:39] <Existz> learned the hard way to buy one
[11:39] <i98linux> Dragon121: did you use a compiz fusion?
[11:39] <Dragon121> S**T
[11:39] <Existz> had a power outtage
[11:39] <Dragon121> oh
[11:39] <Existz> it fried my motherboard
[11:39] <Existz> and videocard
[11:39] <Dragon121> crud
[11:39] <Dragon121> im screwed
[11:39] <Existz> get a power surge
[11:39] <Existz> it's worth the money
[11:40] <Dragon121> well ok
[11:40] <replman> Dragon121: just a view minutes ago i successfully installed my geforce FX 5200 :-)
[11:40] <Dragon121> nice lol
[11:40] <replman> Dragon121: with kubuntu feisty
[11:40] <Dragon121> cool
[11:40] <Existz> trying to install an 8500 GT
[11:40] <Existz> it's been such a bitch
[11:40] <Dragon121> well lol
[11:40] <Dragon121> good luck lol
[11:40] <Dragon121> yea
[11:40] <Existz> 14 hrs hours now
[11:40] <Dragon121> nvidia is the hardest to run on ubuntu
[11:40] <Existz> actually
[11:40] <Existz> let me see
[11:40] <Existz> I say about 24 hrs
[11:41] <Dragon121> cant even get my wireless to work lol
[11:41] <Existz> through out this week
[11:41] <Existz> spent on working on this stupid problem
[11:41] <replman> Dragon121: just go to nvidia.com-site and get the linux-driver for that card
[11:41] <ciga> does anyone can help me how to change my refresh rate from 60hz to 75hz in console? I have vga=795 for grub...
[11:41] <Dragon121> working on wired
[11:41] <Existz> I did
[11:41] <Existz> didn't work for shit
[11:41] <Dragon121> lol
[11:41] <Existz> only their beta driver supports the 8500 and up
[11:41] <Existz> it's bs
[11:41] <Existz> but the beta gave me better results
[11:41] <Existz> less errors
[11:41] <Dragon121> if anyone can help me with the wireless connection i cant get mine to work
[11:41] <Dragon121> oh lol
[11:42] <pag> !wireless | Dragon121
[11:42] <ubotu> Dragon121: Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[11:42] <Dragon121> k ty
[11:42] <Existz> haha
[11:42] <hangthedj> Dragon121: what kind of wireless card do you have?
[11:42] <Existz> pag any other ideas
[11:42] <Existz> ?
[11:42] <pag> Existz, not really :(
[11:43] <Existz> I know people who just gave up and said fuck it they'll run on vesa
[11:43] <Existz> haha
[11:43] <Dragon121> i have
[11:43] <Existz> screw vesa
[11:43] <Dragon121> REALTEK
[11:43] <Existz> realtek what?
[11:43] <Existz> i got realtekkkkk
[11:43] <Dragon121> 54 mbps wireless card
[11:43] <Existz> ah
[11:43] <Existz> got a conroe-sata 2 mb
[11:43] <Dragon121> yea my whole computer is realtek and nvidia lol
[11:43] <Existz> yeah
[11:43] <Existz> same
[11:43] <Dragon121> but my hdd is western digital
[11:43] <Dragon121> lol
[11:43] <hangthedj> maybe madwifi could help?
[11:44] <hangthedj> it helped me
[11:44] <Dragon121> im look in wht wifi cards ubuntu supports
[11:44] <hangthedj> although i don't have realtek, well i do, but its not wireless.
[11:44] <Dragon121> lol well GREAT it doent reconize realtek
[11:44] <Dragon121> wtf do i do
[11:45] <Dragon121> just my luck
[11:45] <wepiha> In kmix I cannot select the "Shared Rear/Line-In" switch... what can I do?
[11:45] <Existz> can't believe how fast batteries die on a wireless mouse
[11:47] <skollie> Dragon121: Go have a look at this thread - http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-2681.html
[11:47] <theea> heloo
[11:48] <theea> jhutchins: heloo friend
[11:48] <wepiha> Existz: I have the same problem occasionally... usually when the mouse picks up the tiniest amount of movement. 2 suggestions if you haven't tried already...
[11:49] <Existz> try what?
[11:49] <wepiha> Existz: 1) leave the mouse on an entirely flat surface when not in use
[11:49] <wepiha> Existz: 2) buy a mouse that is more energy efficient ;)
[11:49] <Existz> well works now, just had to replace the batteries
[11:49] <Existz> haha
[11:49] <Existz> I went over to nimh batteries
[11:49] <Existz> saves money in the long run
[11:50] <Existz> like you wouldn't imagine
[11:50] <wepiha> same as what I use (2000mAh variety)
[11:52] <Existz> I use to use batteries from the $.99 store
[11:52] <Existz> they fucking ruined a $50 mp3 player
[11:52] <Existz> the acid leaked out
[11:52] <Existz> after a few months
[11:52] <wepiha> im NZ so I use whatever I can find thats cheaper than normal AAs!
[11:52] <Existz> nimh's the way to goooo
[11:54] <Existz> i'm not even sure what to do about this problem anymore
[11:54] <kuukkeli> where is Restricted Drivers Manage at kubuntu?
[11:55] <Existz> doesn't have them
[11:55] <Existz> you need to apt-get it
[11:55] <kuukkeli> and command is?
[11:55] <kuukkeli> sudo apt-get install Restricted_Drivers_Manage ?
[11:55] <kuukkeli> :D
[11:55] <pag> kuukkeli, package is restricted-manager
[11:56] <pag> it'll pull lots of gnome-depencies iirc.
[11:57] <kuukkeli> pag, i need that for my nvidia driver. :-/
[11:57] <pag> kuukkeli, I didn't say you shouldn't try, I just warned you about the depencies
[12:00] <kuukkeli> pag, hehe
[12:02] <kuukkeli> does kubuntu use KDE or gnome? ;S
[12:02] <kuukkeli> forgot
[12:02] <pag> kde
[12:05] <wepiha> can I have a script run when a network connection is detected/lost?
[12:10] <hangthedj> what kind of script?
[12:12] <wepiha> hangthedj: well I have a network bridge (that I can $1 start/stop/restart) which I then want to enable/disable when eth1 is up/down respectively
[12:13] <miltos> hi ppl:-] 
[12:14] <miltos> does anyone know how to update the dvb-x list including more satellites in kaffeine?
[12:14] <hangthedj> is eth1 wireless or something?
[12:15] <theea> it is possible to reinstal ubuntu without formating partitions to avoid backup action on dvd?
[12:16] <wepiha> eth1 is connected to my xbox 360 that wants LIVE working, however when the bridge is enabled, it only works if eth1 is up
[12:16] <wepiha> thus leaving me without the option to have it up permenantly
[12:16] <hangthedj> i suppose it might be possible to create a cron job to check the connection
[12:16] <theea>  it is possible to reinstal ubuntu without formating partitions to avoid backup action on dvd?
[12:17] <hangthedj> theea: why do you need to reinstall?
[12:17] <ksivaji> theea use rescue broken system option
[12:17] <SilentDis> !compiz
[12:17] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[12:17] <wepiha> hangthedj: thanks i will look more into these cron jobs you speak of
[12:17] <theea> because i messed up the flash instalation and i can't see all flash on firefox
[12:18] <hangthedj> how did you mess up the flash installation?
[12:18] <ksivaji> theea you can if you have plugins
[12:18] <theea>  rescue broken system < where to find it
[12:18] <ksivaji> theea it will be there in ubuntu install cd
[12:19] <theea> ksivaji: on some pages it doies not se the last version 6.0 of flash and browsed page looks empty even on others i cand see flash
[12:19] <leandro> hi there
[12:20] <ksivaji>    theea    http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/13-must-do-things-on-new-ubuntu-704.html
[12:20] <wepiha> ksivaji: can you check about:plugins to see if 'application/x-shockwave-flash' mime-type is available?
[12:20] <hangthedj> theea: i think flash is on 9 now.
[12:20] <leandro> can anyone help? i have a problem with a script: I need it to run as root without asking the password everytime
[12:21] <ksivaji> wepiha yo u shockware  for linux
[12:21] <theea> yes and the page is asking minimum 6 and it sees there only 5
[12:21] <pag> leandro, iirc. chmod +s does that... use with caution
[12:21] <theea> that's why i want to reinstall
[12:21] <leandro> well... it does not seem to work
[12:22] <ksivaji> wepiha you cant install shockwave in linux
[12:22] <leandro> the script has a single line, something like "ifdown rausb1"
[12:22] <hangthedj> just run the script again.  or copy the libflash*.so to ~/.firefox
[12:22] <ksivaji> !shockwave
[12:22] <ubotu> Shockwave is currently only available for Windows. To run it under !Wine, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Shockwave
[12:23] <leandro> I tried to chmod +s it but it still says I have no permission
[12:23] <pag> leandro, sudo chmod +s  ?
[12:23] <apple> 
[12:23] <wepiha> ksivaji: hmm my firefox must be special then ;)
[12:23] <leandro> I'll try again
[12:23] <apple> can you speak chinese ?
[12:24] <ksivaji> wepiha how?
[12:24] <pag> !cn | apple
[12:24] <ubotu> apple: For Ubuntu help in Chinese  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[12:24] <apple>    
[12:24] <wepiha> ksivaji: because I have Shockwave Flash 9.0 r31 installed as npwrapper.libflashplayer.so installed
[12:25] <leandro> pag: nothing... I still have to launch it with sudo...
[12:26] <Existz> tpag's still on?
[12:26] <wepiha> ksivaji: on an x86_64 system might I add... ok maybe not so special, I think I might have some confusion going on with differentiating Shockwave somehow?
[12:26] <Existz> haha apple came in here writing in chinese
[12:27] <ksivaji> wepiha i dont know much about this
[12:28] <wepiha> ksivaji: nah man, i'm not picking on you it just seems interesting how uboto stated something seemingly contrary to my system... ?
[12:28] <wepiha> ksivaji: how obsurd
[12:30] <wepiha> ksivaji: ah, shockwave != flash according to adobe. ah well I guess they should know better than I ;)
[12:31] <leandro> mmm, a question... can something like "echo foo | sudo script.sh" work?
[12:31] <ksivaji> wepiha i dont know much about this
[12:31] <pag> Existz, yup, still here.
[12:31] <wepiha> leandro: try `echo foo | sudo script.sh -`
[12:31] <ksivaji> wepiha dont mistake me
[12:32] <wepiha> ksivaji: ?
[12:32] <ksivaji> wepiha nothing
[12:32] <wepiha> ksivaji: for a watermelon?   sure...
[12:32] <leandro> wepiha: nope, it still asks the pwd..
[12:34] <leandro> mmm... I think I must create the file as root... am I right?
[12:34] <theea> ksivaji: i booted again from cd only oprions are : start or install / start in safe graphic mode/ install with driver update cd / check cd for defects/ test memory / boot first harddisk
[12:34] <kraut> moin
[12:34] <theea> ksivaji: so i did not find the option mentioned by you
[12:35] <ksivaji> theea  is that livecd or installation cd
[12:35] <theea> live cd original from canonical
[12:36] <ksivaji> theea option what i told you is there in install cd and i tried that option yesterday also
[12:36] <vzduch> what option?
[12:36] <theea> where i can download instalation cd
[12:36] <ksivaji> ubuntu.com
[12:37] <vzduch> !alternate
[12:37] <ubotu> The Alternate CD (available as of Dapper) is the classical text-mode installation CD. Use it if you wish to upgrade via CD, or for an "expert" mode install. For normal installs, use the Desktop CD, which is also a "Live" CD - See also !Minimal
[12:37] <theea> there i saw only live cd
[12:37] <theea> for 7.4
[12:37] <ksivaji> theea wait i will give you link
[12:37] <theea> thankx
[12:38] <leandro> damn...
[12:38] <leandro> OK, I have the script... the owner user is root, group root
[12:39] <leandro> but still after chmod +s I need a pwd to run it
[12:39] <leandro> WHY?
[12:39] <ksivaji> theea tp://ubuntu.mirror.ac.za/ubuntu-release/kubuntu/feisty/
[12:39] <theea> thank you
[12:40] <ksivaji> theea select alternae cd for your machine
[12:40] <vzduch> theea: nearer to you --> http://ftp.astral.ro/mirrors/ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-alternate-i386.iso
[12:41] <ksivaji> vzduch are you sure he is having i386 machine ?
[12:41] <Dragon121> k im back
[12:41] <vzduch> ksivaji: nah, just guessing :)
[12:41] <Dragon121> if anyone cares lol
[12:42] <theea> got it
[12:42] <leandro> any idea anyone?
[12:42] <vzduch> theea: if you have a 64 bit machine, it's http://ftp.astral.ro/mirrors/ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/feisty/kubuntu-7.04-alternate-amd64.iso
[12:42] <eagles0513875> woot i am already runnign 64bit
[12:42] <theea> question on i386 i use
[12:43] <vzduch> ah, look ksivaji, my guess was good ;)
[12:43] <eagles0513875> theea: u wont regretting running 64bit if have a 64bit machine
[12:43] <theea> not yet but in future i will have a 64
[12:44] <eagles0513875> :)
[12:44] <eagles0513875> i have 2 and i love it
[12:44] <rjb> sh*t, since i upgraded to feisty my laptop started getting hard hangs about 2-3 times a day
[12:44] <rjb> as in, need to powerdown to reboot
[12:44] <eagles0513875> rjb: did u do a clean install or
[12:45] <rjb> no, a dist-upgrade
[12:45] <eagles0513875> do a clean install
[12:45] <rjb> why would that be any different
[12:45] <eagles0513875> if u can cuz i had trouble when i upgraded
[12:45] <rjb> it's probably a device driver
[12:45] <rjb> my suspicions go towards ndiswrapper
[12:45] <eagles0513875> trust me i did a dist upgrade from edgy to feisty and i had alot of issues and when i did a clean install i didnt have the problems
[12:46] <eagles0513875> ?
[12:46] <eagles0513875> what kinda wifi card u got
[12:46] <rjb> eagles0513875: depends on what sort of issues
[12:46] <rjb> bcm4318 iirc
[12:46] <ksivaji> rjb ya i too got problem when i upgrade
[12:46] <eagles0513875> i have a site for ay then rjb
[12:46] <rjb> had no trouble on edgy
[12:47] <rjb> i'm considering a downgrade:-/
[12:47] <eagles0513875> rjb: try a clean install trust me
[12:47] <eagles0513875> rjb: also in regards to ndiswrapper u know in kubuntu its broken up into 3 pkgs
[12:48] <rjb> the o/s freezing is not a problem that's easily caused by userspace issues
[12:48] <eagles0513875> http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/?go=devices
[12:48] <eagles0513875> that is for any broadcom driver
[12:48] <rjb> and i'm positive it's the o/s and not just the xserver
[12:48] <eagles0513875> they took windows driver rewwrote it in c and recompiled it
[12:48] <rjb> eagles0513875:  i know all that
[12:49] <eagles0513875> i have to say though even when i did a dist upgrade from feisty to gutsy to try it out and help test it i ran into issues there 2
[12:49] <rjb> i tried it, it was quite unstable for me
[12:49] <rjb> took about 10 attempts on the average before i could associate to the ap
[12:50] <rjb> & it filled my logs with cryptic error messages
[12:50] <rjb> spitting them out every second
[12:50] <eagles0513875> it was when i did a dist upgrade but when i did a clean install everything is fine
[12:50] <eagles0513875> im on gutsy right now im not having any trouble except with amarok and kde 3.5.7
[12:50] <eagles0513875> !aptfix
[12:50] <ubotu> If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[12:51] <rjb> what i have is i'm sure either a kernel issue or a h/w issue
[12:51] <eagles0513875> j/w did u upgrade all the repositories to feisty so u could do the dist upgrade
[12:52] <rjb> i followed the instructions on kubuntu.org
[12:52] <eagles0513875> ok
[12:52] <eagles0513875> i dunno what else to tell ya dude
[12:52] <rjb> though the gui upgrade tool didn't work for me
[12:52] <rjb> so i took the command-line route
[12:52] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[12:52] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[12:52] <eagles0513875> take a look at that
[12:53] <eagles0513875> its rather useful
[12:55] <replman> strange thing: in feisty you can go to system-settings -> display and (A) go to sysadmin mode and change resolution -> resolution is written into xorg.conf or (B) stay in user mode and change the resolution for your user. Where is this information stored? It's not in xorg.conf...
[12:55] <sanchez> hola
[12:56] <sanchez> algun espaol
[12:56] <sanchez> por aqui
[12:56] <eagles0513875> !es
[12:56] <ubotu> Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[12:56] <eagles0513875> solo ingles en este canale
[12:56] <sanchez> ok sorry
[12:56] <sanchez> thx
[12:56] <sanchez> bye
[12:56] <eagles0513875> no prob
[12:56] <eagles0513875> lol my spanish is rusty
[12:56] <sanchez> xD
[12:56] <vzduch> eagles0513875: s/canale/canal/ - otherwise it was correct
[12:56] <vzduch> canale is Italian ;)
[12:56] <eagles0513875> lol
[12:57] <eagles0513875> vzduch: im havin trouble installing some kde4 pkgs what r some dpkg commands i can run
[12:57] <vzduch> eagles0513875: don't ask me, I don't run KDE4
[12:57] <eagles0513875> i know but i just need some dpkg commands
[12:57] <vzduch> man dpkg
[12:59] <l1ght> salve a tutti
[12:59] <eagles0513875> !it
[12:59] <ubotu> Vai su #ubuntu-it o su #kubuntu-it se vuoi parlare in italiano, in questo canale usiamo solo l'inglese. Grazie!
[12:59] <rjb> dpkg --help is a good start ;-)
[12:59] <eagles0513875> lol ok
[01:03] <rjb> oh & btw the bcm43xx driver lies to iwconfig about connection speed
[01:03] <vzduch> rjb: tell that the developers ;)
[01:04] <rjb> it always gives 11Mbps even when that's not true
[01:04] <rjb> vzduch: I'M SURE THEY KNOW
[01:04] <rjb> sorry
[01:04] <rjb> (capslock accident)
[01:04] <vzduch> rjb: well, be glad if it's more ;)
[01:04] <rjb> but the users might be confused
[01:05] <eagles0513875> im so ready to slaughter amarok
[01:05] <eagles0513875> and kde 3.5.7
[01:06] <wepiha> eagles0513875: 'slaugther'?
[01:06] <eagles0513875> kill amarrok lol
[01:07] <vzduch> anyone here have a Seveas source in his/her sources.list?
[01:07] <rjb> amarok is da best
[01:07] <eagles0513875> it is yes
[01:08] <eagles0513875> but with kde 3.5.7 the audio cust in and out briefly  with flack and its driving me nuts
[01:08] <rjb> ok, gone
[01:08] <eagles0513875> !audacious
[01:08] <ubotu> audacious is included in !Feisty. A !repository also exists for !Edgy: see http://audacious-media-player.org/Downloads
[01:08] <wepiha> eagles0513875: tried increasing the priority and / or enabling realtime playack in system settings?
[01:09] <eagles0513875> ? let me check where in setting could i find it
[01:09] <eagles0513875> wepiha: where do i find those settings in amarok
[01:10] <wepiha> eagles0513875: its acutally under system settings -> sound system
[01:10] <vzduch> anyone here have a Seveas source in his/her sources.list?
[01:10] <eagles0513875> ok
[01:10] <eagles0513875> vzduch: check this link out
[01:10] <eagles0513875> !sourceomatic
[01:10] <ubotu> source-o-matic is a webpage where you can (re)generate your sources.list - http://www.ubuntu-nl.org/source-o-matic
[01:10] <eagles0513875> try that vzduch
[01:10] <vzduch> eagles0513875: that's not my question
[01:11] <eagles0513875> u want to know if anyone has tried that repository
[01:11] <eagles0513875> or the stuff on it
[01:11] <vzduch> eagles0513875: no, I want to know what version of Audacious (if any) they have
[01:11] <eagles0513875> ahh
[01:11] <nikola> hi everyone
[01:11] <eagles0513875> :)
[01:11] <eagles0513875> nikola: hey
[01:11] <nikola> well
[01:12] <nikola> i need help
[01:12] <eagles0513875> wepiha: what bout the buffer
[01:12] <eagles0513875> nikola: ask ur question away lol
[01:12] <nikola> heh
[01:12] <eagles0513875> !ask
[01:12] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[01:12] <eagles0513875> lol
[01:12] <nikola> which messenger i can use
[01:12] <Dragon121> yo does anyone have AIM here?
[01:12] <eagles0513875> i do Dragon121
[01:12] <pag> nikola, whichever you want ;)
[01:12] <eagles0513875> nikol u can use kopete which comes default
[01:12] <nikola> like msn!
[01:12] <replman> the answer to my question (resolution) is: ~/.kde/share/config/displayconfigrc
[01:12] <Dragon121> can i have ur username??
[01:12] <eagles0513875> i hav emsn too and i use kopete
[01:13] <Dragon121> to put in my buddy list
[01:13] <eagles0513875> ok wat for
[01:13] <wepiha> eagles0513875: it may need to be increased on your system
[01:13] <eagles0513875> the buffer
[01:13] <Dragon121> to put on my buddy list
[01:13] <wepiha> yes
[01:13] <nikola> kopet doesn`t work
[01:13] <eagles0513875> reason
[01:13] <vzduch> what's emsn?
[01:13] <pag> nikola, KMess ans aMsn are clients for only MSN...
[01:13] <vzduch> I know amsn..
[01:13] <eagles0513875> nikola: it works for me
[01:13] <nikola> ok
[01:13] <nikola> tnx
[01:13] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: what u want to add me for
[01:14] <Dragon121> need a friend
[01:14] <Dragon121> lol
[01:14] <Dragon121> see if it works
[01:14] <Dragon121> lol
[01:14] <eagles0513875> lol
[01:14] <Dragon121> cant get xfire to work on gosh darn ubuntu
[01:14] <Dragon121> or any of my games
[01:14] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: u need to use wine
[01:14] <Dragon121> any i got emulators for em
[01:14] <shabo> how to play *.dat video files?
[01:14] <Dragon121> yea i got wine
[01:14] <Dragon121> but
[01:14] <eagles0513875> wepiha: increa the buffer or decrease it
[01:15] <Dragon121> when i play CSS it has no letters
[01:15] <wepiha> eagles0513875: increase it
[01:15] <Dragon121> lol
[01:15] <Dragon121> idk why
[01:15] <eagles0513875> ok how much
[01:15] <pag> !enter | Dragon121
[01:15] <ubotu> Dragon121: Please try to keep your questions/responses on one line - don't use the "Enter" key as punctuation!
[01:15] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: there is a new program that called crossover its another pay emulator but it looks really promissing
[01:15] <Dragon121> ok
[01:15] <Dragon121> will try it
[01:15] <eagles0513875> its like cedega
[01:16] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: U HAVE TO PAY sry for caps
[01:16] <Dragon121> pay?
[01:16] <wepiha> eagles0513875: a little is better, all depending on your system
[01:16] <Dragon121> aw
[01:16] <eagles0513875> lol ok
[01:16] <Dragon121> darn
[01:16] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: i think u can try before u buy lol
[01:17] <Dragon121> yo whts the emulator called again gimme a link please
[01:18] <eagles0513875> google teh company name called codeweavers
[01:18] <Dragon121> ok
[01:18] <vzduch> eagles0513875: Crossover is not new, it was previously called Crossover Office because it was originally made to run M$ Office on Linux
[01:18] <Dragon121> oh
[01:19] <Dragon121> but can it run games?
[01:19] <Dragon121> i need to know
[01:19] <ksivaji> !pastebin
[01:19] <vzduch> running games w/ Crossover is unsupported, but you can try
[01:19] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[01:19] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: yes it can they tested css and world of warcraft on it
[01:19] <Dragon121> ok
[01:19] <Dragon121> now how do i get rid of wine lol
[01:19] <eagles0513875> vzduch: its changed though it can bplay games
[01:19] <Dragon121> will it work with wine installed too
[01:19] <vzduch> sudo aptitude remove wine
[01:20] <Dragon121> the site wont go lol
[01:20] <eagles0513875> dunno
[01:20] <eagles0513875> then their site is down
[01:20] <wepiha> eagles0513875: sound any better ?
[01:21] <eagles0513875> hold on
[01:21] <eagles0513875> wepiha: lil bit better
[01:21] <Dragon121> now what is wephia lolo
[01:22] <eagles0513875> name of a person in the channel whose helping me
[01:22] <wepiha> Dragon121: its my name!
[01:22] <wepiha> IRL
[01:22] <wepiha> haha
[01:22] <Dragon121> lol
[01:22] <wepiha> aren't I the blessed one ;)
[01:22] <eagles0513875> lol
[01:22] <Dragon121> well eagle can i get ur aim username or not
[01:22] <eagles0513875> ive increased it quite alot and its still not helping
[01:22] <Dragon121> need to see if it works
[01:23] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: its smalleagle051387
[01:23] <Dragon121> ty
[01:24] <eagles0513875> wepiha: its not working should i start decreasing the bugger
[01:25] <wepiha> eagles0513875: the default is 232 ms
[01:25] <eagles0513875> im at 348
[01:25] <zorglu_>  q. i want to do oprofile/sysprofile on the kernel on ubuntu feisty, can i do that without recompiling the kernel ? like by using existing packages ? if so wich one ?
[01:26] <wepiha> eagles0513875: I have struck and rectified this several times prior yet i'm stuck with defective memory at the moment :(
[01:26] <eagles0513875> damn that suxs
[01:28] <wepiha> eagles0513875: do you know what sound engine you are using in amarok and system-settings?
[01:28] <eagles0513875> auto detect so my computer uses alsa
[01:28] <wepiha> and in amarok?
[01:28] <eagles0513875> in amarok autodetect
[01:30] <wepiha> I believe amarok-xine is the most stable?
[01:32] <eagles0513875> wait
[01:32] <eagles0513875> wepiha: for the sound system its using xine engine
[01:35] <bluewebman> does anyone know how i can get java to run on this ubuntu?
[01:35] <Dragon121> i got it o
[01:35] <Dragon121> to
[01:37] <eagles0513875> wepiha: its not working ill ttyl guys
[01:37] <eagles0513875> time for lunch
[01:37] <wepiha> eagles0513875: hope you get it solved. good luck
[01:37] <eagles0513875> i reported it to kde already so its only a moment of time
[01:37] <eagles0513875> cuz i can use exaile which i hate but it works fine in exaile
[01:38] <Dragon121> what it exaile?
[01:38] <eagles0513875> amarok knock off its a piece of shit
[01:54] <neko_> Hello
[01:54] <neko_> what is fglrx ?
[01:55] <neko_> ????????????
[01:59] <angelmadrid> alguien habla espaol aqyui??
[02:00] <jack> hi
[02:06] <BluesKaj> Howdy All :)
[02:06] <runlevelten> hello BluesKaj
[02:06] <vzduch> hi BluesKaj
[02:08] <BluesKaj> hi runlevelten, vzduch, what's up ? raining this morning (here in Northern Ontario)
[02:10] <BluesKaj> We're allowed a couple of greetings without the offtopic cops bothering us ( I hope ) :)
[02:10] <vzduch> BluesKaj: sunshine in western Germany, wonderful beach weather after lots of rain and ~20C for weeks..
[02:10] <BluesKaj> nice vzduch ! :)
[02:12] <BluesKaj> lots of storms here in the past 2 weeks , power failures due to lightning ...lucky to be here today
[02:14] <runlevelten> BluesKaj: gloomy in the UK
[02:14] <runlevelten> no torrential rain right now, which is nice. Been a lot of rain and thunderstorms
[02:15] <BluesKaj> wet summer in the northern hemisphere
[02:16] <JackNETUK> @BluesKaj Same here
[02:17] <BluesKaj> how can I prevent the cursor inside the google searchbox from jumping to the end of the line after just one keystroke. when tring to make a correction
[02:17] <vzduch> BluesKaj: yeah, seems so.. we in Germany don't have it as wet as the UK or the southern US e.g. though
[02:17] <shadowhywind> has anyone ever used sshfs before?
[02:18] <BluesKaj> err trying
[02:18] <BluesKaj> in Konqueror BTW
[02:19] <sodd> hallo
[02:21] <JackNETUK> stats p
[02:21] <JackNETUK> stats /p
[02:21] <hak5fan> Hi Why doesn't lpt #1 show up as a possible printer connection port in the cups web interface when I try to add a printer
[02:27] <BluesKaj> hak5fan, is it a network printer , or direct connected
[02:27] <BluesKaj> ?
[02:37] <hak5fan> BluesKaj: Directly connected
[02:37] <meon> test
[02:47] <Dragon121> yo anyone still on
[02:47] <Dragon121> i need to ask some questions
[02:47] <Dragon121> if anyones o
[02:47] <Dragon121> on*
[02:47] <piippo> go ahead
[02:47] <Dragon121> well isnt ubuntu linux
[02:48] <piippo> uhm...
[02:48] <piippo> whaddya mean
[02:48] <Dragon121> so shouldnt it run linux programs
[02:48] <piippo> well, yeah
[02:48] <piippo> it does
[02:48] <Dragon121> well im tring to install steam for linux and it says tht there is no program to open this file
[02:49] <Dragon121> i dont get it
[02:49] <piippo> you mean valve's steam?
[02:49] <Dragon121> yes
[02:49] <Dragon121> lol
[02:49] <hak5fan> /back
[02:50] <piippo> i never heard they'd have a linux version
[02:50] <Dragon121> they do
[02:50] <Dragon121> a beta
[02:50] <Dragon121> but it wont run
[02:50] <Dragon121> idk why
[02:50] <piippo> what's the file extension
[02:50] <vzduch> what's that anyway?
[02:50] <Dragon121> umm one sec
[02:50] <Dragon121> piippo do u got aim??
[02:50] <piippo> nope
[02:50] <Dragon121> well
[02:51] <Dragon121> one sec lemme go get the file dont leave
[02:51] <piippo> sure
[02:51] <BluesKaj> hak5fan, I have to ask this: did you try the printer wizard (add printer)...I don't know what you mean by the cups web interface.
[02:52] <BluesKaj> !printing
[02:52] <ubotu> Printing in Ubuntu is done with cups. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Printers - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupportComponentsPrinters - http://linuxprinting.org - Printer sharing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NetworkPrintingFromWindows
[02:52] <kuukkeli> How to change keyaboard typing style?
[02:52] <kuukkeli> it's american at this moment but i want finnish :P
[02:52] <vzduch> BluesKaj: http://localhost:631/
[02:52] <Dragon121> it an x-executable file
[02:52] <Dragon121> uts*
[02:52] <Dragon121> its*
[02:53] <kuukkeli> Dragon121, did you say that to me?
[02:53] <vzduch> Dragon121: well, what's the file extension?
[02:53] <piippo> try making it executable Dragon121
[02:53] <Dragon121> how
[02:53] <Dragon121> terminal?
[02:53] <piippo> sudo chmod a+x "filename"
[02:53] <Dragon121> k
[02:53] <Dragon121> lemme try
[02:53] <piippo> or something of that sort
[02:53] <BluesKaj> right vzduch , I never bothered with that ...just ran the wizard and tried various setups in it til it worked
[02:54] <BluesKaj> <---network printer
[02:54] <Dragon121> well i tried
[02:54] <kuukkeli> how to change keyboard options?
[02:55] <piippo> kuukkeli: go to system settings
[02:55] <sweettooth> kuukkeli, add your language in keyboard layout, which is in regional & accessillilty of kcontrol
[02:55] <sweettooth> to go to kcontol, press Alt+F2
[02:55] <kuukkeli> a) where is system settings?      b) where is kcontrol? :D
[02:55] <Dragon121> to piippo : the filename is steam and its on the desktop how do i get it to open it?
[02:56] <sweettooth> kuukkeli, press Alt+F2 and type kcontrol
[02:56] <Dragon121> yo piippo
[02:56] <Dragon121> u there
[02:56] <Dragon121> i need yo healp
[02:56] <piippo> Dragon121 it's prolly a shell script, so you can just right-click it and go to options
[02:56] <piippo> or preferences, don't remember
[02:57] <Dragon121> ok
[02:57] <piippo> and make it executable there
[02:57] <Dragon121> then wht do i open it with
[02:57] <piippo> then click ok and you're ready to run it
[02:57] <Dragon121> lemme try one sec
[02:57] <piippo> if it really is a script, doubleclicking should do the job. or singleclick, depending on yar settings, sailor
[02:58] <kuukkeli> sweettooth, and next? :D
[02:58] <sweettooth> kuukkeli, where you at? kcontrol?
[02:59] <kuukkeli> sweettooth, yep.
[02:59] <Dragon121> yo its says this read it piippo Cannot open /home/daniel/Desktop/steam: No application suitable for automatic installation is available for handling this kind of file.
[03:00] <sweettooth> regional & accessillilty --> Keyboard Layout
[03:00] <piippo> what? it's named only 'steam'?
[03:00] <Dragon121> yes
[03:00] <Dragon121> lol
[03:00] <piippo> i think you've done something weird :)
[03:00] <Dragon121> like?
[03:00] <Dragon121> ;p
[03:00] <kuukkeli> :D
[03:00] <piippo> dunno. wait a sec, i'll check
[03:00] <Dragon121> ok
[03:00] <Dragon121> ty
[03:00] <kuukkeli> sweettooth, thnaks. :P
[03:00] <kuukkeli> *thanks
[03:00] <sweettooth> kuukkeli, ur welcome mate
[03:01] <stdin> piippo: it's an ELF
[03:01] <stdin> Dragon121: look here for some instructions http://www.fileplanet.com/126568/120000/fileinfo/Steam-v2.0-Beta-Client-%5BLinux%5D
[03:02] <Dragon121> ok
[03:02] <stdin> Dragon121: click the "Show More Details" to see them
[03:02] <piippo> Dragon121: cant find info on steam for linux
[03:03] <piippo> whoopsie, disregard that one
[03:03] <Dragon121> well
[03:04] <Dragon121> what u mean whoopsie lol
[03:04] <piippo> i didn't notice stdin's link there. :)
[03:07] <Dragon121> well idk wht to do with it
[03:07] <Dragon121> it works with nothing
[03:10] <embrik>  I've bought myself an external case for 2,5" IDE hd, with USB 2.0 connection. How do mount this? Do I have to format it? It is supposed to be used both in windows and linux - I'm thinking of giving this to the teachers at my school, to avoid giving them laptops.. Anybod who can give me a tip or show me a howto?
[03:11] <ses59_> adept updater locked up so i termanated the program but now it will not restart shows to be running looking at services to kill but could not find it
[03:11] <stdin> embrik: if it's a new hard drive, then you'll have to partition it, then format it
[03:11] <kuukkeli> how to install wine properly?
[03:12] <ses59_> which service should i kill to free adept updater
[03:12] <stdin> embrik: if you want it to be used with both linux and windows, it's probably best to format is as fat32
[03:12] <pag> !aptfix | ses59_
[03:12] <ubotu> ses59_: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:12] <embrik> stdin: what about ntfs?
[03:13] <embrik> stdin: would you be so kind, or anybody else on the channel, to guide me through this?
[03:13] <stdin> embrik: write support for ntfs isn't totally stable yet, and you'd have to install the ntfs-3g package
[03:13] <stdin> embrik: 1st thing to do is find what the device is called in /dev
[03:14] <embrik> stdin:
[03:14] <embrik> stdin: sda
[03:14] <stdin> embrik: ok, now you need to partition the disk, you'll need to decide if you want to have one big partition or more
[03:14] <embrik> stdin: one big..
[03:16] <stdin> embrik: ok, there are 2 ways to do this. you can either use the shell commands, or install the grpahical package gparted
[03:16] <embrik> stdin: I prefer the shell, if you don't mind..
[03:16] <stdin> embrik: that's fine :)
[03:16] <vzduch> stdin: in KDE use qtparted :)
[03:16] <stdin> vzduch: qtparted is a bit too buggy for my liking
[03:17] <pag> vzduch, gparted is more advanced iirc.
[03:17] <stdin> embrik: the command you'll want to type is "sudo fdisk /dev/sda"
[03:17] <eagles0513875> !aptfix | hilary123x123
[03:17] <ubotu> hilary123x123: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:17] <embrik> just going to make one partition fat32, don't need any fancy stuff
[03:17] <stdin> embrik: in there you'll have a "menu"
[03:18] <stdin> embrik: you type "o" to create a new partition table
[03:18] <ses59_> thank you the code worked but now when told to fetch updates it locks on 99%
[03:18] <stdin> embrik: then "n" to create a new partition
[03:18] <embrik> stdin: nice, i'll cach up later. Unfortunately I have to drive my son to a friend of him....
[03:19] <ses59_> waiting for headers
[03:19] <stdin> embrik: it's ok, I'll be here for a while, just ping me when you're back
[03:19] <piippo> does anyone know how to make mouse wheel turn desktop cube on compiz fusion?
[03:19] <piippo> like it does in beryl
[03:19] <persen> hi, i have done all steps explained here, http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#Samba_Web_Administration_Tool_.28SWAT.29
[03:20] <ses59_> ok just did not wait long enough now it is working
[03:20] <persen> but pointing my browser to http://localhost:901 displays no page (error)
[03:20] <Dragon121> yea middle click the mouse
[03:20] <persen> so SWAT is not up and running, any clues?
[03:21] <stdin> persen: did you install a inetd server?
[03:21] <persen> stdin, yes, netkit-inetd
[03:22] <stdin> persen: try "sudo /etc/init.d/inetd restart"
[03:22] <persen> tried it
[03:23] <stdin> persen: ok, see if the entry for swat is in /etc/inetd.conf
[03:23] <persen> ok
[03:23] <stdin> persen: should look like "swat            stream  tcp     nowait.400      root    /usr/sbin/tcpd  /usr/sbin/swat"
[03:24] <stdin> on one like
[03:24] <stdin> (line
[03:24] <persen> yes, it does.
[03:25] <persen> is there a place i can look for log messages for this ?
[03:25] <Dragon121> yo does anyone here have AIM?
[03:26] <stdin> persen: see if this shows anything: sudo netstat -lp|grep swat
[03:26] <persen> tcp        0      0 *:swat                  *:*                     LISTEN     20895/inetd
[03:26] <stdin> well, the port is open then
[03:27] <persen> SWAT listens on port 20895 ?
[03:27] <persen> or is 901 routed to that port via inetd?
[03:28] <stdin> persen: no 20895 is the PID of inetd
[03:28] <persen> ok
[03:29] <stdin> persen: does this not show the page: http://127.0.0.1:901/
[03:30] <persen> no
[03:31] <stdin> persen: hmm, check /var/log/syslog if there is anything to do with it in there
[03:31] <arun> hello
[03:33] <persen> stdin, not much but maybe this is a clue, Jul 14 15:24:54 server7 inetd[20901] : execv /usr/sbin/tcpd: No such file or directory
[03:33] <stdin> yeah, that is a clue
[03:33] <persen> aptitude install tcdp ?
[03:34] <persen> tcpd
[03:34] <stdin> tcpd yeah
[03:34] <runlevelten> ewwwwwwwwwwww... firefox opened that windows thing when I chose "open folder"
[03:34] <runlevelten> "Nautilus". Horrible.
[03:34] <Myrth> hi, how can i make knetworkmanager not to update /etc/resolv.conf when connecting to vpn?
[03:35] <persen> stdin, yay, that did it! thanks alot!
[03:35] <stdin> persen: no problem :)
[03:37] <SillyZ> Would like to report a bug, wine-0.9.41 ... where do I go to report it ?
[03:39] <stdin> !bug | SillyZ
[03:39] <ubotu> SillyZ: If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug report at: http://bugs.ubuntu.com/  -  Bugs in/wishes for the bots can be filed at http://launchpad.net/products/ubuntu-bots
[03:41] <SillyZ> thnks
[03:41] <kris> hi
[03:42] <pag> !hi | kris
[03:42] <ubotu> kris: Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[03:42] <kris> hi pag
[03:43] <arun> haha look at bug #1
[03:43] <arun> hey pag
[03:43] <pag> arun, yup :) that bug is to be solved... some day
[03:44] <eagles0513875> wepiha: hey
[03:44] <kris> damn, that ubuntu stuff isn't easy for a newbie in  the linux world :(
[03:44] <kris> *kubuntu-stuff
[03:44] <kris> :p
[03:44] <eagles0513875> kris: whats wrong
[03:45] <eagles0513875> kris: ask ur question dude
[03:45] <kris> wel yeah, I'm used to work with windows ... and I have a Graphic card with 2 screens connected
[03:45] <eagles0513875> ok
[03:45] <Tesla> kris, Nvidia?
[03:45] <kris> and offcourse, as a windows users ... I would like to have the same stuff in Kubuntu as in Windows
[03:45] <eagles0513875> or ati
[03:45] <kris> yeah Nvidia
[03:45] <eagles0513875> good lol
[03:45] <SillyZ> actually K/Ubuntu is one of the most user-friendly distros on the market, tis why it holds such a high market share in the linux community
[03:45] <arun> launchpad seems like a good application
[03:45] <eagles0513875> that should out of the box
[03:46] <kris> out of the box?
[03:46] <eagles0513875> if not u have to tweak some x settings
[03:46] <kris> yeah, the second screens works ... lol
[03:46] <kris> but it's only red and blue
[03:46] <kris> and flickering
[03:46] <kris> :p
[03:46] <eagles0513875> ahhh
[03:46] <kris> like I'm in a disco ... lol
[03:46] <eagles0513875> open up the system settings
[03:46] <eagles0513875> and see if u can fix the refresh rate and resolution of the 2nd monitor
[03:46] <kris> ok ... moment, I'll try
[03:47] <kris> good, but he doens't recognise the second monitor
[03:47] <kris> :(
[03:47] <kris> monitor 1: plug and play
[03:47] <kris> monitor 2: not recognized
[03:48] <eagles0513875> what video card is it
[03:49] <kris> moment, I take the box of it :-)
[03:49] <eagles0513875> what model card lol
[03:49] <eagles0513875> kris: in shell type lspci
[03:50] <rixxon> Network Manager is being a devil, I can't connect to encrypted wlans ... Ideas?
[03:50] <arun> kris: you can check the model card in kinfocenter
[03:50] <eagles0513875> gets a list of all ur pci devices
[03:50] <eagles0513875> or that too
[03:50] <arun> under 'opengl'
[03:50] <Daisuke_Ido> little language barrier, i think
[03:50] <willis_> any articles about using beryl under kubuntu?
[03:51] <arun> willis_: what kind of articles?
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> willis_: install the drivers for your card, then sudo apt-get install beryl beryl-manager
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> it's not rocket science
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> :D
[03:51] <willis_> tutorials..
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> which is what i love about kubuntu
[03:51] <Daisuke_Ido> willis_: i just gave you a tutorial
[03:52] <arun> kris: did you get the model number
[03:52] <willis_> ubuntu has an application something like desktop effect
[03:52] <willis_> why not kubuntu
[03:53] <arun> willis_: kubuntu has it too
[03:53] <SlimeyPete> willis_: you can install it manually
[03:53] <SlimeyPete> !compiz
[03:53] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[03:53] <willis_> compiz or beryl?
[03:53] <SlimeyPete> ^^ it's that, undred a different name
[03:53] <SlimeyPete> compiz-fusion is the one to go for these days
[03:54] <SlimeyPete> beryl works but is a dead project
[03:54] <willis_> beryl is dead?
[03:54] <willis_> I just installed it
[03:54] <stdin> willis_: beryl and compiz have now been merged
[03:54] <arun> beryl is merged with compiz, hence compiz-fusion. it works, but wont be developed any more. it's still supported though
[03:54] <eagles0513875> u have to login to the xgl desktop to use it
[03:56] <willis_> compiz-fusion is not in repository
[03:57] <SlimeyPete> google it. There are packages available on third-party repositories I think.
[03:57] <willis_> should I install xserver-xgl?
[03:58] <raza> hello, I have somehow manged to locked my self out of all the package managers, anyone know what I can do
[03:58] <stdin> willis_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager/CompizFusion
[03:58] <stdin> !aptfix | raza
[03:58] <ubotu> raza: If Adept crashed on you and your database is locked, try this in konsole:  sudo fuser -vki /var/lib/dpkg/lock;sudo dpkg --configure -a 
[03:59] <willis_> thanks, I will go for it
[04:00] <doc_> .   ?
[04:00] <stdin> !ru | doc_
[04:00] <ubotu> doc_:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[04:01] <arun> kubuntu can now write to ntfs drives? i did not know this
[04:01] <arun> how do i make this work?
[04:01] <arun> is it buggy?
[04:01] <stdin> !ntfs | arun
[04:01] <ubotu> arun: To view your Windows/Mac partitions see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/AutomaticallyMountPartitions . For write access see !ntfs-3g or !fuse
[04:01] <doc_> 
[04:01] <stdin> !ntfs-3g
[04:01] <ubotu> ntfs-3g is a Linux driver which allows read/write access to NTFS partitions. Installation instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MountingWindowsPartitions
[04:01] <stdin> arun: it's called "stable" now, but always keep a backup of important stuff
[04:01] <BluesKaj> arun, install ntfs-3g and ntfs.conf
[04:02] <arun> alright.. i have a fat32 partition just to share files
[04:02] <arun> and i can read files from ntfs so it's good enough
[04:02] <arun> but this could be useful
[04:03] <Dragon121> yo anyone got AIM here wanting to know
[04:03] <eagles0513875> Dragon121: lol
[04:03] <Dragon121> :)
[04:04] <arun> ok have to go
[04:04] <arun> later, people
[04:26] <kuukkeli> yay
[04:26] <kuukkeli> my linux is healthy as a hospital
[04:27] <kuukkeli> ;D
[04:28] <persen> hospitals is full of bacterias
[04:28] <stdin> and sick people
[04:40] <kris> hi
[04:40] <kris> back
[04:40] <kris> pffff
[04:40] <kris> :(
[04:55] <Timsen> hi, i want to install syslog-ng, on a dapper server installation, but apt want to remove the ubuntu-minimal package, will that lead me to problems if I remove this package?
[04:56] <stdin> Timsen: it will when you come to upgade, but not until then
[04:57] <roltux> is there anybody overhere who has a webcam, willing to test it out with me, i am searching for a new webcam and want to see how the quality is
[05:05] <snake_> http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29914/
[05:06] <snake_> can anyone help me with this problem in compiz
[05:06] <isaac> ol!!!
[05:06] <isaac> algum me socorre!!!
[05:07] <pag> !br | isaac
[05:07] <ubotu> isaac: Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:08] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> snake_: It's best to ask compiz questions in #ubuntu-effects
[05:09] <isaac> to tentando instalar o flash mas no consegui...
[05:10] <snake_> WhtWolfTeraDyne: just tried here because i am not getting a response there
[05:11] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Ah. Well, ask your question, and maybe someone in the few of us awake here will know.
[05:12] <lacalau> yop
[05:13] <humberto> opa
[05:18] <evilmm> any reason my usb thumbdrive wouldnt automatically be mounted?
[05:19] <BluesKaj> did you check in storage media?
[05:19] <roltux> yeah linux won an tour etappe
[05:19] <roltux> i meant linux
[05:20] <persen> viva the penguin
[05:20] <evilmm> BluesKaj: yes
[05:21] <BluesKaj> ok, are plugging in directly or thru a hub ?
[05:21] <evilmm> direct
[05:21] <evilmm> it recognizes it in qtparted
[05:23] <BluesKaj> evilmm, lspci to see if your YSB ports are listed
[05:23] <BluesKaj> USB
[05:23] <patrick__> is das hier der deutsche ubunte irc channel ?
[05:23] <patrick__> !kernel
[05:23] <ubotu> kernel is the core of the Ubuntu Operating System (named 'Linux') - see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel.  You shouldn't have to compile one, but if you're convinced you do, see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelCustomBuild
[05:23] <BluesKaj> !de | patrick__
[05:23] <ubotu> patrick__: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:24] <patrick__> danke
[05:24] <evilmm> BluesKaj: usb controllers listed
[05:25] <evilmm> shouldnt it auto popup when inserted?
[05:26] <BluesKaj> yeah, usually
[05:26] <evilmm> fuck in qtparted it says theres no filesystem on it
[05:26] <evilmm> sorry
[05:28] <BluesKaj> evilmm, is it loaded with apps or stuff off windows ?
[05:28] <evilmm> yes
[05:28] <evilmm> afaik it works fine on windows
[05:29] <BluesKaj> if it's music or video it should show up , but i dunno about windows apps
[05:30] <evilmm> but i did have it plugged in when i set this machine up
[05:30] <evilmm> but i dont think i wrote any changed to it
[05:30] <BluesKaj> even if it was MT it should still appear
[05:31] <letzfetz> ubuntu.de
[05:31] <letzfetz> deutsch support
[05:31] <letzfetz> !help
[05:31] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[05:32] <evilmm> i think its FAT
[05:32] <letzfetz> deutsch ubuntu channel
[05:32] <evilmm> because i wrote stuff on it from windows and linux
[05:32] <letzfetz> kann mir einer sagen wie ich in den deutschen ubuntu channel komme ?
[05:33] <letzfetz> bitte
[05:34] <letzfetz> deutsche ubunut irc channel
[05:34] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !de | letzfetz
[05:34] <ubotu> letzfetz: Deutschsprachige Hilfe fuer Probleme mit Ubuntu, Kubuntu und Edubuntu finden Sie in den Kanaelen #ubuntu-de, #kubuntu-de, #xubuntu-de und #edubuntu-de
[05:34] <letzfetz> danke
[05:36] <K-Ryan> How would I start the live cd in text mode only?
[05:39] <imslow357> i think only the alternate cd only boots in that way?
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Oh, just curious
[05:40] <K-Ryan> Because I've been having some trouble here...
[05:40] <whiz2> having a major issue on another computer
[05:40] <whiz2> using liveCD mode of the latest version of Kubuntu, i can not get internet/network access at ALL
[05:41] <stdin> K-Ryan: you can try adding "single" to the boot options, but you can't install from the command line
[05:41] <isaac> hello
[05:42] <K-Ryan> stdin: It's okay, my problem seems to be fixed anyway
[05:42] <isaac> help
[05:42] <stdin> !ask | isaac
[05:42] <ubotu> isaac: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[05:42] <whiz2> my entire network is setup so that i have to specify my IP, netmask, DNS, and Gateway... i did this, and entered all my information (wep, etc) and nothing works... i can't even see my router
[05:43] <isaac> estou com problema para instalar o flash adobe
[05:43] <pag> !es | isaac
[05:43] <ubotu> isaac: Si busca ayuda en Espaol por favor entre en los canales #ubuntu-es, #kubuntu-es o #edubuntu-es, all obtendr mas ayuda.
[05:43] <stdin> !br
[05:43] <ubotu> Por favor use #ubuntu-br ou #ubuntu-pt  para ajuda em portugus. Obrigado.
[05:43] <isaac> ok!!!
[05:44] <whiz2> any help???
[05:46] <evilmm> man i wish i had a windows box in this house now
[05:47] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> evilmm: why?
[05:47] <whiz2> i have one... on it now, but that's beside the point i need a lil help with kubuntu. :-p
[05:47] <evilmm> this usb drive
[05:49] <stdin> whiz2: wireless?
[05:50] <whiz2> and wired
[05:51] <stdin> whiz2: so you have manual config and it's not working?
[05:51] <whiz2> stdin: niether will connect at all
[05:51] <whiz2> stdin: correct
[05:51] <whiz2> stdin: i just restarted... lemme configure wrieless again to see what happens.....
[05:52] <evilmm> damn found a windows box..no partitons on it
[05:52] <evilmm> thats odd
[05:52] <evilmm> only really lost my gpg keys
[05:53] <stdin> win won't see ext3 partitions
[05:53] <evilmm> well qt parted says no partitons as well
[05:53] <stdin> ahh
[05:53] <evilmm> an i was using it on windows and linux
[05:54] <evilmm> so i guess i just reformat with fat32?
[05:54] <K-Ryan> How much swap should I give this old laptop I'm on? It's 433Mhz and has 256Mb of RAM
[05:54] <evilmm> even though it is just 256mb
[05:55] <whiz2> stdin: there is way to see ext3 partitions in windows, but i can't remember the app name
[05:55] <evilmm> i always double the ram to get my swap part
[05:55] <stdin> K-Ryan: about 512MB to 1GB
[05:55] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> evilmm: It's usually best to go 1.5x or 2x RAM up to 1GB
[05:55] <evilmm> isnt that what i said?
[05:55] <stdin> whiz2: yeah, I know. but I don't use windows :p
[05:55] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> wrong one, I ment K-Ryan
[05:55] <evilmm> lol
[05:55] <evilmm> :)
[05:56] <K-Ryan> stdin: Would there be much of a difference between the 512Mb and 1Gb, is that much going to be used?
[05:56] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> I just woke up about an hour ago.
[05:56] <evilmm> i have 1gb dont ever thing ive used my swap
[05:56] <Karti> Hi all, if I want to upgrade to 7.10 would it be better to start from scratch or can I upgrade from 7.04?
[05:56] <stdin> K-Ryan: if you want to be able to hibernate it then you need 2x RAM
[05:57] <whiz2> stdin: i'm still having the issue
[05:57] <stdin> Karti: when it comes out, you can upgrade
[05:57] <stdin> whiz2: can you ping any other pc?
[05:57] <K-Ryan> stdin: I think Karti meant from Edgy(6.10) to Feisty
[05:57] <whiz2> stdin: ping [ip addy]  <-- run?
[05:57] <Karti> stdin: Many thanks. I am trying to sort out my file system in Feisty to make it easier for the change
[05:57] <stdin> whiz2: yeah
[05:58] <Karti> K-Ryan: no I am on 7.04 at the mo
[05:58] <stdin> Karti: it'll just be like a normal update, except a lot more packages
[05:58] <evilmm> as a rule of thum i always make separate /home partitions
[05:58] <evilmm> thumb*
[05:59] <Karti> stdin: happy with that!
[05:59] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> evilmm: That's always a good rule.
[05:59] <K-Ryan> Karti: Oh, I must have misread what you said, I thought you said go from 7.10 to 7.04
[05:59] <evilmm> lol
[06:00] <K-Ryan> Youch
[06:00] <evilmm> hmmm qt parted seems to have stalled
[06:00] <whiz2> stdin: nope!
[06:00] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> I love the Linux Link Tech Show. Those guys are so awesome, and funny.
[06:01] <stdin> whiz2: you sure you put in the right settings?
[06:01] <K-Ryan> Hey umm, I'm in the install, and in the partition area.
[06:01] <whiz2> stdin: yes. tey worked fine (wired only) in the dapper release
[06:01] <whiz2> they*
[06:01] <evilmm> on usb drives should there be a label?
[06:01] <K-Ryan> Whenever I make hda2 ext3, it says unknown after commiting the change
[06:02] <stdin> whiz2: can you connect with only a wired connection?
[06:03] <whiz2> stdin: in this version, i can't connect at all
[06:03] <whiz2> wired, or otherwise
[06:03] <stdin> whiz2: what network hardware do you have?
[06:04] <whiz2> stdin: want the full version info?
[06:04] <stdin> whiz2: sure
[06:05] <whiz2> stdin: wired - realtek semiconductor co ltd rtl8101e pci express fast eth controller
[06:06] <yuanyelele> ............
[06:06] <whiz2> stdin: wireless - Atheros communications co - unknown
[06:06] <evilmm> ok how do i wipe and format /dev/sdb (usb drive) into a fat16 fs?
[06:07] <evilmm> on the cli
[06:07] <whiz2> stdin: but it sees the wireless dev all the same, and tries to configure it
[06:07] <evilmm> because qtparted is freezing
[06:07] <matt____> can someone tell me how i could become unbanned from #ubuntu
[06:07] <whiz2> evilmm: plug the ubd drive to the win box, use disk manager
[06:08] <matt____> I didn't even do anything, I just got banned.
[06:08] <whiz2> usb*
[06:08] <crimsun> matt____: please ask in #ubuntu-ops.
[06:08] <evilmm> whiz2: i dont have admin rights on that box
[06:08] <stdin> evilmm: after you partition it, sudo mkdosfs -F 16 /dev/sdb1
[06:08] <matt____> crimsun: what is that? -ops i mean, is it like help for the #ubuntu?
[06:08] <stdin> whiz2: hmm, in feisty?
[06:08] <whiz2> stdin: yup
[06:08] <crimsun> matt____: no, it's a channel for channel operators.
[06:09] <matt____> crimsun: oh, ok. thanks
[06:09] <stdin> matt____: no -ops = operators (the bosses)
[06:09] <gumjo> where to go for kde4 news?
[06:09] <stdin> gumjo: #kde4-devel
[06:09] <stdin> whiz2: well I know the atheros card works, I have one
[06:10] <stdin> whiz2: can you see the access point? "iwlist ath0 scan"
[06:10] <whiz2> stdin: what could i be doing wrong?
[06:10] <gumjo> I mean website....can't find any that shows previews
[06:10] <stdin> gumjo: youtube has soem
[06:10] <stdin> *some
[06:11] <whiz2> stdin: it sees the access point... just won't connect to it... the wired won't connect either tho
[06:11] <gumjo> oh...thankyou I should've looked there first
[06:12] <stdin> whiz2: can other PCs?
[06:12] <whiz2> the one i'm on is connected, but it's a winbox... i have a dapper server connected & several winboxes connected to the same router
[06:13] <ryanandheather> hello everyone , i need some help, i rebooted my machine and now im stuck in console
[06:13] <stdin> whiz2: doesn't your router have DHCP?
[06:14] <whiz2> stdin: i turned it off
[06:14] <evilmm> ok
[06:14] <ryanandheather> im using irc through commandline, and im stuck here, how do i get kde back instead of just a command line
[06:14] <evilmm> i got it wiped
[06:15] <whiz2> stdin: i shouldn't have to use DHCP if i know what the settings are
[06:15] <evilmm> ryanandheather: ctrl+alt F7
[06:15] <ryanandheather> evilmm whats that do?
[06:16] <whiz2> stdin: realtek is stuck at ip configuration, and atheros is stuck at configuring device
[06:16] <evilmm> ryanandheather: or you can type "sudo /etc/init.d/kdm start"
[06:16] <hak5fa1> /connect irc.hak5.org
[06:16] <evilmm> without the "'s
[06:17] <hak5fa1> test
[06:17] <ryanandheather> i'll try those, i have to exit here so i might be back if i can't get it
[06:17] <evilmm> ok
[06:17] <whiz2> ctrl+alt+F7 won't make you lose the commandline connection
[06:18] <stdin> whiz2: sorry, phone
[06:18] <evilmm> whiz2: well if he accidently changed into a vty
[06:18] <stdin> whiz2: I just wanted to see of DHCP worked at all
[06:19] <ksivaji> hi
[06:20] <ksivaji> is there anyone who know website, where i can get source code of linux games
[06:21] <whiz2> stdin: i'll turn DHCP back on
[06:22] <klobster> ksivaji: happypenguin.org
[06:22] <ksivaji> klobster thank you
[06:23] <ccoffey> i've finally got my system to boot on fakeraid. I found out the issue. dmarid isn't activating the raid in initramfs. I wonder if i could add dmraid -ay before it tries to mount the root filesystem?
[06:28] <whiz2> stdin: how do i stop the pings?
[06:29] <whiz2> stdin: with DHCP enabled, i have access to router, but still not the internet
[06:31] <ksivaji> whiz2 check netstat
[06:32] <stdin> whiz2: Ctrl-C to stop ping
[06:33] <Nyle> good morning
[06:33] <Nyle> how is everyone doing is fine morning?
[06:33] <Nyle> ahhhh mmm such a beautiful day outside today
[06:34] <whiz2> ksivaji: all streams are connected. All dgrams are blanks (as far as state goes)
[06:34] <whiz2> stdin: ty didn't wanna ping myself to death lol
[06:34] <ksivaji>  stdin hi
[06:35] <kicker8>  Hello guys.. I need help! I am runing the latest version of Kubuntu. and I parition my drive. I have a FAT32 partition to share with windows XP. however, I had a problem with creating file on VFAT/FAT32. When I create file called HELLO (in all capital) ubuntu create hello (in small letters) I need to create filename on BIG letters...
[06:35] <kicker8> Here's my fat32 line on fstab  UUID=447B-0C43 /media/data vfat user,auto,gid=100,uid=1000,umask=002,iocharset=utf8,codepage=850 0 0
[06:36] <whiz2> Nyle: not worried bout outside... more worried bout whether i can get connected to the internet using feisty... not doing too good right now
[06:36] <stdin> hey ksivaji
[06:37] <whiz2> stdin: get my message bout DHCP?
[06:37] <stdin> yeah
[06:38] <stdin> whiz2: does /etc/resolv.conf have your DNS servers in it (or your routers IP)
[06:38] <whiz2> stdin: i set that myself
[06:38] <whiz2> but i can look there
[06:39] <dron> Hi, guys! who know, where I can download Windows Vista?
[06:39] <stdin> !windows | dron
[06:39] <ubotu> dron: For help with Microsoft Windows, please visit ##windows or your nearest mental health institute. See http://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1 http://linux.oneandoneis2.org/LNW.htm and !equivalents
[06:39] <ccoffey> dron: wrong channel i think ;)
[06:41] <eagles0513875> dron: linux channel only
[06:42] <eagles0513875> good riddence
[06:42] <whiz2> stdin: it has the wrong one... i have 2 routers... it's using the wrong IP
[06:43] <stdin> whiz2: is the one router plugged in to the other?
[06:43] <whiz2> stdin: yup! only way the wireless will broadcast the internet to it's clients
[06:44] <stdin> whiz2: ahh, then router 2 is getting it's DNS info from router 1. so that's why that's happening
[06:44] <whiz2> stdin: and Linux is getting it's information from router 2, not router 1
[06:45] <stdin> yeah, because it's connecting to router 2
[06:45] <stdin> whiz2: multiple routers can be a pain to get your head around
[06:45] <whiz2> so i can just change both values to the correct number & it should work?
[06:46] <whiz2> stdin: i didn't have this problem with dapper release of kubuntu
[06:46] <stdin> whiz2: it should, you can also set dhclient to disregard the DNS from DHCP and use another
[06:47] <whiz2> stdin: in network setup, i specified the DNS server's IP address (added)
[06:48] <stdin> whiz2: see if you can ping something by name, like google
[06:48] <ksivaji> !kmines
[06:48] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about kmines - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[06:49] <whiz2> stdin: nope
[06:50] <stdin> hmm
[06:50] <whiz2> stdin: to avoid changing settings on both routers, i set DHCP active only on router 2
[06:51] <stdin> whiz2: you can. the router 2 should get the info from router 1 and pass that along
[06:53] <danya_> hello ?
[06:53] <SlimeyPete> hi
[06:53] <danya_> I'm having a problem installing gdesklets .. I'm on Ubuntu feisty gnome ..
[06:54] <whiz2> stdin: router 2 only sees itself as a gateway... i can change what it transmits tho hang on...
[06:54] <stdin> danya_: #ubuntu for help with ubuntu
[06:55] <arun_> are there any keyboard shortcuts to switch from one desktop to another?
[06:57] <stdin> arun_: Ctrl+F[1-12]  and Ctrl+Shift+F[1-12]  by dedault, eg Ctrl+F2 to switch to Desktop 2
[06:58] <runkidrun> how do i change the resolution on the kubuntu kdm login screen?
[06:58] <arun_> stdin: thank you
[06:59] <arun_> runkidrun: i'd like to know too, my kubuntu logo looks all stretched
[06:59] <stdin> !xconfig | runkidrun
[06:59] <ubotu> runkidrun: To reconfigure your X server, open a console and type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  - To configure only the driver and resolution, type  sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg -phigh  - See also !FixRes
[07:00] <runkidrun> stdin, i have done it before, if i remember correctly it was through graphical interface, is that possible?
[07:00] <rob_> hello everybody
[07:01] <savetheWorld> hello
[07:01] <stdin> runkidrun: I'm not sure if the section in system settings will do it
[07:01] <stdin> runkidrun: but you can try, make sure you switch to administer mode first
[07:01] <persen> i've just installed SWAT but cant seem to configure anything, just get links to man pages. I have four categories only (HOME STATUS VIEW PASSWORD).
[07:01] <persen> Dont i have permissions or something?
[07:01] <runkidrun> stdin, k thx
[07:03] <theshadow> what is the package with the GNU c++ compiler and make tools?
[07:03] <stdin> persen: you may have to login as root with it
[07:03] <stdin> !b-e | theshadow
[07:03] <ubotu> theshadow: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:04] <runkidrun> i can't find kfax, is that a package that comes preinstalled?
[07:04] <stdin> theshadow: thought that would tell you the package: it's build-essential
[07:04] <stdin> runkidrun: no
[07:04] <theshadow> Thanks but I'm trying to compile my own stuff. I'm primarily a windows trained engineer though so I don't know how to set things up :S
[07:04] <theshadow> Oh thanks :)
[07:04] <persen> stdin, ok, but i cant find a logout button anywhere
[07:05] <stdin> persen: close the window/tab
[07:05] <persen> stdin, doesnt work, still logged in even in another instance of konquerer.
[07:06] <persen> maybe i have to close both?
[07:06] <stdin> persen: yeah
[07:06] <persen> painfull
[07:06] <stdin> persen: if that doesn't work, then do "killall konqueror"
[07:06] <stdin> sometimes it stays open in the BG
[07:07] <whiz2> stdin: ok i changed the dns settings that router 2 transmits... had to unplug from the cable to go plug laptop back... tried to connect wirelessly...  for some reason it sees it all, but will not grab an IP addy from the router
[07:08] <stdin> odd
[07:08] <persen> stdin, Cant login as root, but my kubuntu doesnt have it either.
[07:09] <stdin> persen: you'll have to add a root passwd, "sudo passwd root"
[07:10] <whiz2> stdin: does feisty show your atheros card as "unknown"?
[07:10] <stdin> persen: you can disable it after with "sudo passwd -d -l root"
[07:10] <stdin> whiz2: yeah: 05:00.0 Ethernet controller: Atheros Communications, Inc. Unknown device 001c (rev 01)
[07:10] <whiz2> ok
[07:20] <Karti> Hi, just trying 7.10 32 bit on a 32 bit pc and its failing miserably.....would that normally happen?
[07:20] <Karti> oops on a 64 bit pc
[07:20] <stdin> Karti: help with Gutsy in #ubuntu+1
[07:20] <Karti> cheers stdin
[07:21] <runkidrun> installing flash on kubuntu?
[07:25] <ksivaji> runkidrun http://linuxondesktop.blogspot.com/2007/05/13-must-do-things-on-new-ubuntu-704.html
[07:25] <Dragon121> yo anyone on
[07:25] <Dragon121> does anyone here have AIM???
[07:25] <Dragon121> and no im not a petofile
[07:25] <Dragon121> i need some help
[07:26] <persen> whats a petofile?
[07:27] <persen> Dragon121, Try to ask, it helps.
[07:27] <persen> read the faq
[07:28] <IAmWill> if i have an AMD dual-core, do i need any special cd? or just use the amd64 cd
[07:29] <freechelmi_> Hi All
[07:29] <freechelmi_> Was trying to use BCM43xx wifi driver
[07:29] <freechelmi_> I installed the firmware
[07:29] <freechelmi_> But it still cannot really connnect
[07:29] <persen> IAmWill, if theres nothing else i suppose you can take the amd64. But not 100%.
[07:29] <freechelmi_> telling driver error
[07:29] <stdin> IAmWill: you only need the amd64 cd *IF* you want to install the 64bit version
[07:29] <freechelmi_> Do you think this driver is usable ?
[07:30] <freechelmi_> or I should go to ndiswrapper right now ?
[07:30] <IAmWill> freechelmi_, have you tried using the bcm43xx-firmware-cutter?
[07:30] <freechelmi_> We should boycott braodcom directly
[07:30] <IAmWill> freechelmi_, just install it, modprobe it, and it works
[07:30] <persen> stdin, Any reasons not to take the 64 bit version when you have a 64 bit CPU ?
[07:30] <freechelmi_> IAmWill: I installed cafuago
[07:30] <stdin> persen: a few, yes
[07:30] <freechelmi_> package to have firmware directly
[07:30] <freechelmi_> so now I can see wifi networks
[07:31] <freechelmi_> and wifi became active ( led on the laptop )
[07:31] <stdin> persen: it's harder to get some things like flash to work, and some non-free drivers will not work
[07:31] <ksivaji> linux sucks , i cant play games
[07:31] <stdin> ksivaji: play frozen-bubble
[07:31] <persen> ksivaji, You can play some
[07:31] <persen> doom3 works for instance
[07:31] <Dragon121> how?
[07:31] <persen> and lot others via wine
[07:31] <freechelmi_> ksivaji: you meant I can't play proprietary games
[07:32] <Dragon121> never got doom 3 to work
[07:32] <ksivaji> freechelmi_ no  open source games
[07:32] <ksivaji> !xmoto
[07:32] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about xmoto - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:32] <persen> doom3 is very easy to fix, you need the linux binary which you can get from id software.
[07:32] <ksivaji> freechelmi_ xmoto
[07:32] <IAmWill> also, does kubuntu support the nv 8600gt?
[07:32] <persen> and use the windows cd to copy game files.
[07:33] <jhutchins> ksivaji: plenty of games work great in linux, even if they're windows games.  There's cedega, which helps if you have an Nvidia card.
[07:33] <freechelmi_> ksivaji: OK :-) don't know this one actually
[07:33] <jhutchins> ksivaji: There are a number of web sites dedicated to linux gaming.
[07:33] <ksivaji> ok how to check whether i have nvidia or not
[07:33] <jhutchins> ksivaji: I'm not a gamer, but I have heard that windows games tend to be written for Nvidia hardware, and while they'll work with ATI and Intell under Windows, they won't in Linux.
[07:34] <draik> I'm running Kubuntu (duh!) on my desktop. Am I able to plug in my friend's drive and format it for Win98? I want to format it then pave it with win98
[07:34] <jhutchins> ksivaji: in a console, if you type sudo lspci, you should get about 8 lines, one of which will be your video card.
[07:34] <gumjo> draik, yes, format it using NTFS
[07:35] <ksivaji> jhutchins i have s3 unichrome
[07:35] <draik> I was thinking FAT32 for win98. I know it can do either or, but it's an old system
[07:36] <jhutchins> ksivaji: I think S3 is great, but it's not as well supported for Windows games.
[07:36] <ksivaji> jhutchins freechelmi_ stdin what about VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. S3 Unichrome Pro VGA Adapter (rev 01)
[07:36] <gumjo> I don't know which is better, i'd go with NTFS tho (since it can store files larger than 4GB, and by default windows formats drives using it)
[07:36] <jhutchins> draik: Yeah, you want vfat/fat32 for '98, '98 does NOT do NTFS.
[07:37] <draik> jhutchins: Yes it can.
[07:37] <jhutchins> ksivaji: You can ask in #cedega whether that card is known to run windows games under linux or not.
[07:37] <chaotic> can any one help me how to install rpm package handler on ubuntu been at this for an hr ripping thru forums btw just switched from windows
[07:37] <ksivaji> jhutchins  i am not running windows games
[07:38] <chaotic> i extracted the tar.gz
[07:38] <jhutchins> chaotic: If you're new to linux, it would be best to stick with packages that are made for kubuntu starting out.
[07:38] <jhutchins> chaotic: If you can't find those, you can try debian packages.
[07:38] <jhutchins> chaotic: If all you can find is an rpm, it might not work with kubuntu, but there's a package called alien that will try to install it.
[07:38] <Dragon_1212> yo
[07:39] <Dragon_1212> im back
[07:39] <jhutchins> !build | chaotic: this is what you do with tar.gz files:
[07:39] <ubotu> chaotic: this is what you do with tar.gz files:: Compiling software from source? Read the tips at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingSoftware (But remember to search for pre-built !packages first: not all !repositories are enabled by default!)
[07:39] <freechelmi_> ABout
[07:39] <freechelmi_>  my BCM4303
[07:39] <chaotic>  its because im trying to install cedega to play anarchy online
[07:39] <freechelmi_> I have all the firmware codes in /lib/firmware
[07:39] <freechelmi_> so I guess the driver is just not ready for this chip
[07:39] <chaotic> and cedega comes in rpm
[07:39] <ksivaji> jhutchins but i think it is possible to convert .rpm to .deb
[07:39] <jhutchins> freechelmi_: You should try some of the alternatives that were suggested to you.
[07:40] <jhutchins> ksivaji: Yes, that's what alien is for.
[07:40] <ksivaji> can you tell me how to do that
[07:40] <freechelmi_> jhutchins: the only alternative is Ndiswrapper
[07:40] <freechelmi_> as firmware is instaled and loaded
[07:41] <chaotic> btw  how come my resolution can only go to 1024by 768 when in windows  it went to 1280
[07:42] <chaotic> is it because of the drivers
[07:42] <ksivaji> jhutchins   can you tell me how to do that
[07:43] <jhutchins> freechelmi_: [12:30]  <IAmWill> freechelmi_, have you tried using the bcm43xx-firmware-cutter?
[07:44] <freechelmi_> jhutchins: did I say the firmware was already installed ?
[07:44] <dave_> what is gnome?
[07:44] <freechelmi_> jhutchins: never mind , I'll go for Ndis wrapper
[07:44] <dave_> found out =] 
[07:45] <ksivaji> !cedega
[07:45] <ubotu> cedega is a project based on WINE, aimed at running Windows games on Linux. For more info, see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/Cedega
[07:45] <whiz2> stdin: still around?
[07:46] <jhutchins> freechelmi_: Just because it's installed and the light comes on doesn't mean it's installed right.
[07:46] <chaotic> when i convert it to .deb
[07:46] <jhutchins> I've got two different wireles adapters that I can get to load just fine, but they won't connect to an AP.
[07:46] <stdin> whiz2: just about, I'm just installing an OS on another machine, but I have my laptop with me
[07:46] <chaotic>  it doesnt   open anything
[07:46] <jhutchins> !alien
[07:46] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[07:47] <whiz2> stdin: plugged the wired back in, and it immediately changed to show router 2 as DNS again
[07:47] <whiz2> grrrr
[07:47] <chaotic> so how exactly do i get cedega on kubuntu
[07:47] <jhutchins> whiz2: Look at the config files for your adapters, set them not to request DNS.
[07:48] <chaotic> is there a prebuilt for apt
[07:48] <jhutchins> chaotic: You buy it at the web site above.
[07:48] <chaotic> i have it already
[07:48] <chaotic> but in rpm
[07:48] <whiz2> jhutchins: how?
[07:49] <serpentus> Hi to all.... I need help with a Sound Card... The is that ALSA detects 2 SC, the one in the MB and an Audigy... It detects the MB one even if it is disabled...So I would like to stop ALSA from detecting it..... Thank You
[07:49] <whiz2> i have them set to a specified DNS, but they're not grabbing still
[07:50] <jhutchins> serpentus: Find out which driver it is and blacklist it.
[07:50] <stdin> serpentus: if it's disabled in the BIOS then also shouldn't detect it. you can set the other to be default tho
[07:51] <jhutchins> serpentus: Dealing with two sound cards is a known difficulty in *buntu.
[07:51] <NickPresta> chaotic, you can use the CVS repository to grab the CVS snappshot of Cedega. http://www.cedega.com/sources.php instructions are al the bottom under "To checkout a new CVS repository"
[07:51] <serpentus> stdin: Yea...it shoud't...but it does...
[07:51] <stdin> s/\*buntu/linux/
[07:51] <jhutchins> serpentus: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SoundTroubleshooting
[07:51] <serpentus> jhutchins: how an I blacklist it
[07:52] <jhutchins> stdin: Some distros handle it better than others, although most of the current problems are in the kernel packages.
[07:52] <jhutchins> !blacklist | serpentus
[07:52] <serpentus> jhutchins: thnx I'll see the page
[07:52] <ubotu> serpentus: To blacklist a module, edit /etc/modprobe.d/my_blacklist and add  blacklist <modulename>  to the end of that list - To explicitly load modules in a specific order, list them in /etc/initramfs-tools/modules and type  sudo update-initramfs -u 
[07:53] <serpentus> jhutchins: thanks a lot! I'll do that right away...
[07:53] <Stanton> hello?
[07:53] <jhutchins> !hi
[07:53] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[07:54] <ksivaji> jhutchins are you dev
[07:54] <ksivaji> developer ?
[07:54] <Stanton> uh.. i realy screwed up.. i have dell monitor and was going through list to find mine and i thought i did and said i needed to restart xserver and now i can not display any thing in the GUI
[07:54] <Stanton> what do i do to set the monitor to plug and play
[07:56] <bldzr> Stanton: Maybe you chose the wrong model?
[07:56] <jhutchins> ksivaji: Nope, just a fellow user (and long time admin/tester).
[07:56] <bldzr> Stanton: Check in /etc/X11/ if there's a backup of your xorg.conf
[07:57] <jhutchins> !fixres | Stanton
[07:57] <ubotu> Stanton: The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[07:57] <jhutchins> Stanton: Try that URL.
[07:57] <Stanton> oh
[07:57] <Stanton> ok
[07:57] <Stanton> leme write that down
[07:57] <BluesKaj> Stanton, you could do a : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ,but try to find the right monitor driver and refresh setup that suits it
[07:57] <serpentus> jhutchins: I went to modprobe.d...no my_blacklist there...should I edit the file "blacklist"?
[07:58] <jhutchins> serpentus: Yeah, that should work.
[07:58] <jhutchins> serpentus: You may need to re-edit it later, as that may be an automatically generated file, but it's a place to start.
[07:58] <serpentus> jhutchins: thanks.
[07:58] <jhutchins> serpentus: Generally, a .d directory contains files which will all be scanned when the service starts, so you can just make your own file there.
[07:59] <Stanton> thank you
[07:59] <Stanton> i think i well stick with plug and play...
[07:59] <Stanton> for i dont even know wich dell monitor i have
[07:59] <Stanton> and it dosnt say
[07:59] <Stanton> all i know is it came with computer.
[08:00] <Stanton> well i might be back if i am i missed up some were/
[08:00] <jhutchins> Stanton: plug-and-play (VESA) works very well for most modern monitors; they report their capability directly to X.
[08:00] <jhutchins> Stanton: Come back anyway and tell us you got it fixed!
[08:00] <Stanton> lol
[08:00] <Stanton> ok
[08:01] <Stanton> well mine wouldnt go above 800x600
[08:01] <Stanton> but yea
[08:01] <Stanton> reading site
[08:01] <Stanton> then gona reboot into kubuntu
[08:01] <jhutchins> ksivaji: I do troubleshooting here like some people do sudoku puzzles.
[08:01] <chaotic> ok i downloaded the .deb i opened brings up binary control and data what do i do from there
[08:01] <ksivaji> jhutchins ho
[08:02] <ksivaji> jhutchins nice to meet you but you didnt tell how to convert .rpm file .deb file
[08:03] <BluesKaj> !alien
[08:03] <ubotu> RPM is the RedHat Package Management system. Ubuntu uses !APT, not RPM. RPM packages are not supported (the package "alien" can allow installing them, but it's quite dangerous)
[08:03] <jhutchins> ksivaji: apt-get install alien, then read the docs it installs (man alien, /user/share/doc/alien).
[08:03] <ksivaji> jhutchins ok
[08:03] <ksivaji> BluesKaj hi
[08:04] <jhutchins> ksivaji: RPM systems do things differently, put things in different places, and it often doesn't work.
[08:04] <ksivaji> ho
[08:05] <arun_> anyone know any good wiki apps?
[08:05] <BluesKaj> hi ksivaji
[08:05] <arun_> hey ksivaji, whats up
[08:06] <vzduch> someone just said that there are currently som MD5sum problems w/ *buntu pkgs, e.g. flashplugin-nonfree.. didn't notice any myself yet, but is that true?
[08:06] <Darkrift411> anyone know any good OCR programs?
[08:07] <ksivaji> hi arun_ nothing just playing games
[08:07] <chaotic> i basically have the cedega root  open where should i extract it to
[08:08] <Stanton> oh dint work
[08:09] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> arun_: Wiki apps? As in a Wiki itself? or what?
[08:10] <arun_> WhtWolfTeraDyne: Yeah, I mean wiki software
[08:10] <arun_> like mediawiki
[08:10] <BluesKaj> Stanton, have you installed the right drivers for your graphics card or are you just using the generic pnp one ?
[08:10] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki < My favorite
[08:10] <ksivaji> how to change screen resolution
[08:10] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Besides mediawiki, I don't know.
[08:11] <ksivaji> BluesKaj  jhutchins
[08:12] <arun_> ksivaji: go to system settings > display
[08:12] <ksivaji> arun_ no it is not there
[08:13] <arun_> WhtWolfTeraDyne: If I install MediaWiki and then later I have to move servers, is it easy (and documented) to move my database, etc?
[08:13] <arun_> ksivaki: of course it is
[08:13] <arun_> system settings > monitor and settings
[08:13] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> arun_: No idea. I run it on my personal server, and haven't had to move it.
[08:13] <ksivaji> arun_ no
[08:14] <BluesKaj> k-menu/sys settings/monitor&display/
[08:14] <Dragon_1212> yo ive got a question is it possible to get a viruse or spyware on Ubuntu?
[08:14] <Dragon_1212> i need to kno
[08:14] <ksivaji> BluesKaj no
[08:15] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Dragon_1212: No. Not as of this moment
[08:15] <Dragon_1212> ok
[08:15] <Dragon_1212> just wondering
[08:15] <ksivaji> Dragon_1212 linux if free from viuus
[08:15] <Dragon_1212> and spyware?
[08:15] <ksivaji> virus*
[08:15] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> You could get a windows one an pass it on, but other than that, nothing yet.
[08:15] <Dragon_1212> malware?
[08:15] <Dragon_1212> wht about those
[08:15] <BluesKaj> ksivaji, you have no system settings application in the k-menu ?
[08:16] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Dragon_1212: No Spyware or malware either. It is possible to get a rootkit, but you'd have to actively install it yourself, and even that would be a pain.
[08:16] <ksivaji> BluesKaj ya setting is there
[08:16] <NickPresta> Dragon_1212, Linux is not immune to destructive applications/scripts when run as root, however. so don't execute anything as root unless you trust it and don't login/use root for no reason.
[08:16] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> pain to do*
[08:16] <BluesKaj> ksivaji, then open system settings
[08:17] <arun_> do Dell laptops come with a rootkit installed?
[08:17] <miltos> anyone know where to copy softcam.key in kaffeine in order to see satellite channels?
[08:17] <vzduch> add to that the fact that *buntu doesn't have any services running by default that connect to or can be connected to from the outside world
[08:17] <annkas> what do I write to format a hd? I've ran cfdisk and made a fat32 partition. The device is /dev/sda
[08:17] <vzduch> apart from the Internet connection, that is
[08:18] <Darkrift411> no arun_
[08:18] <vzduch> annkas: sudo mkvfat /dev/sda would be a good try
[08:18] <ksivaji> BluesKaj ya i didnt notice properly sorry
[08:18] <Dragon_1212> ok
[08:18] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> arun_: no. If they dellbunto computers came with a rootkit, they could be sued.
[08:18] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> delbuntu*
[08:18] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> I give up.
[08:19] <annkas> vzduch: hmm, didn't work
[08:19] <arun_> not the dellbuntu
[08:19] <arun_> i'm talking standard dell computers
[08:19] <arun_> with vista
[08:19] <annkas> vzduch: what about: mkfs vfat /dev/sda
[08:20] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> arun_: Depends on your point of view... *smack*
[08:20] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> arun_: To be serious, no, it doesn't as far as I'm aware.
[08:21] <jhutchins> WhtWolfTeraDyne: You in kck?
[08:21] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> jhutchins: ?
[08:21] <vzduch> annkas: mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda
[08:21] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> kck?
[08:21] <jhutchins> ks.ks.cox.net
[08:22] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Ah. KS. No, I'm in AR.
[08:22] <annkas> vzduch: COMMAND DOESN'T EXIST
[08:22] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Or... what do you mean... >_>;
[08:22] <vzduch> annkas: then put sudo in front
[08:22] <annkas> sorry my capitol letters
[08:23] <vzduch> capitol letters? did you steal them in Washington? :D
[08:23] <annkas> vzduch: I am root
[08:23] <annkas> capital
[08:23] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> XD
[08:23] <vzduch> or replace 'mkdosfs' by 'mkfs.vfat'
[08:24] <jhutchins> annkas: When making changes in the system itself, you allways need "root" access, for which you use sudo in konsole and kdesu for GUI apps.  We often forget to include that in suggestions, especially since some of us have been doing this since before that was the way to get root access.
[08:24] <Stanton> ok dint work
[08:25] <jhutchins> annkas: If you became root via "su", log out and try again with "su -" to get the full root environment.  You can really screw up the system running as "su" only.
[08:25] <annkas> mkfs vfat /dev/sda
[08:25] <annkas> mke2fs 1.40-WIP (14-Nov-2006)
[08:25] <annkas> mkfs.ext2: felaktigt blockantal - /dev/sda
[08:25] <Stanton> or as root all the time..
[08:25] <Stanton> o.o
[08:25] <Stanton> like me!
[08:25] <Stanton> ...
[08:25] <Stanton> i cant get a freaken gui to show.
[08:26] <Stanton> due to it being ether super low res or high unno wich
[08:26] <vzduch> annkas: don't forget the dot
[08:26] <Stanton> how do i reset monitor settings to plug and play?
[08:26] <jhutchins> Stanton: Logged in as your usual user and to startx.  Ignore the bad device errors and see what else you get?
[08:26] <Stanton> its
[08:26] <Stanton> uhh
[08:26] <Stanton> my monitor
[08:26] <Stanton> i cant
[08:26] <Stanton> os not giveing errors
[08:27] <Stanton> monitor is
[08:27] <annkas> vzduch: mkfs.vfat: command not found
[08:27] <miltos> anyone know where to copy softcam.key in kaffeine in order to see satellite channels?
[08:27] <jhutchins> Stanton: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:27] <Stanton> soo sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg  one line?
[08:27] <jhutchins> Stanton: Ctrl-Alt-F1 for plain console
[08:28] <jhutchins> Stanton: Yes.
[08:28] <Stanton> yea i use f1...
[08:28] <Stanton> alot
[08:28] <Stanton> ...
[08:28] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> O_O; I just heard something odd on the police scanner in my room. It sounded like the Ubuntu startup sound...
[08:28] <chaotic> Selecting previously deselected package cedega-small.
[08:28] <chaotic> (Reading database ... 92171 files and directories currently installed.)
[08:28] <chaotic> Unpacking cedega-small (from cedega-small_6.0_all.deb) ...
[08:28] <chaotic> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of cedega-small:
[08:28] <chaotic>  cedega-small depends on python-gtk2 (>= 2.6); however:
[08:28] <chaotic>   Package python-gtk2 is not installed.
[08:28] <vzduch> annkas: 'aptitude search dosfstools'.. seems you don't have those installed; if it shows 'p' at the start of the line they aren't
[08:29] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !pastebin | chaotic
[08:29] <ubotu> chaotic: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[08:29] <chaotic>  cedega-small depends on python-glade2; however:
[08:29] <chaotic>   Package python-glade2 is not installed.
[08:29] <chaotic> dpkg: error processing cedega-small (--install):
[08:29] <chaotic>  dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
[08:29] <chaotic> Errors were encountered while processing:
[08:29] <chaotic>  cedega-small
[08:29] <chaotic> do i need those pkges
[08:29] <chaotic> ah sorry
[08:30] <Stanton> ok soo go to linux alt ctl f1 login then typ sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[08:30] <Stanton> maken sure i wrote on paper right.
[08:30] <vzduch> chaotic: install the dependencies, then run 'dpkg --configure cedega-small'
[08:30] <chaotic> i   dosfstools                      - Utilities to create and check MS-DOS FAT f
[08:30] <charles__> how do i start the 915 resolution on every log in, I have edited the sudo nano /etc/default/915resolution how do i save that?
[08:30] <Stanton> allrighty then i'll hopefly be back in linux
[08:30] <Stanton> oh allso
[08:30] <Stanton> nvm
[08:31] <Stanton> ill ask when i am back
[08:31] <annkas> vzduch: think I nedd dosftools,
[08:31] <vzduch> annkas: then install dosfstools
[08:32] <wolferine> what can I use to burn a CD, from mp3s?
[08:32] <wolferine> K3B wants me to make them into .wavs first
[08:32] <erov> you dont have the multimedia codecs... someone throw that up...
[08:33] <erov> its a legal thing.. you have to install the patented/licensed multimedia codecs seperately
[08:33] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> !codecs
[08:33] <ubotu> For multimedia issues, this page has useful information: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats - See also http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/common-tasks-chap.html - But please use free formats if you can: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FreeFormats
[08:33] <wolferine> no, it wants me to make .wavs
[08:33] <charles__> !resoltuion
[08:33] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about resoltuion - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[08:33] <charles__> !resolution
[08:33] <ubotu> The X Window System is the part of your system that's responsible for graphical output. To restart your X, type  sudo /etc/init.d/?dm restart  in a console - To fix screen resolution or other X problems: http://help.ubuntu.com/community/FixVideoResolutionHowto
[08:33] <wolferine> i have all the codecs already
[08:33] <erov> that's strange then..
[08:33] <wolferine> not really
[08:33] <wolferine> its not an mp3 CD
[08:34] <Nyle> ls
[08:34] <Nyle> oops
[08:34] <erov> i can drag mp3s and it make an audio cd
[08:34] <erov> i guess im not understanding..
[08:34] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Actually, I think he needs libmad. I know that it needed it for MP3 decoding when I compiled my custom K3B package...
[08:34] <wolferine> use K3b?
[08:35] <erov> let me see something..
[08:35] <vzduch> chocolate vla.. *yummy*
[08:35] <wolferine> i just used Serperntine
[08:35] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> wolferine: Install "libk3b2-mp3"
[08:35] <wolferine> looks like it just fine
[08:36] <arun_> there's an app called serpentine?
[08:36] <serpentus> jhutchins: Hi, Ok I blacklisted, but it didn't work.... So I went to /lib/modules/.../kernel and etc...and deleted all the via modules, that did the trick... Thanks A lot for getting started!
[08:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> That's the k3B mp3decoder package
[08:36] <wolferine> arun_, correct
[08:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> Gah... I can't type today...
[08:36] <arun_> wolferine: sounds wicked
[08:36] <wolferine> install it then :P
[08:36] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> arun_: It's the gnome audio CD creator, IIRC.
[08:37] <wolferine> thanks WhtWolfTeraDyne that wasnt added yet :)
[08:37] <arun_> WhtWolfTeraDyne: if you dont mind my asking, is mediawiki easy to install, run and maintain on a daily basis?
[08:37] <erov> libk3b2-mp3 yeah thats it
[08:37] <wolferine> yeah, got it installing erov
[08:37] <wolferine> but using Serpentine instead :)
[08:37] <erov> i had that same problem.. when i first installed it a couple years ago
[08:37] <wolferine> :)
[08:38] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> arun_: Since I don't use it in a public environment, I can't give you any info there. But for my private network usage, it's easy.
[08:38] <azzurro> hello
[08:39] <azzurro> i have a problem about recordmydesktop
[08:39] <arun_> thanks
[08:39] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> O_o; That's odd. It says I have libk3b2-mp3 installed, but I don't remember doing so...
[08:39] <azzurro> the only thing i can see after record is a blue screen
[08:39] <BluesKaj> can kaffeine capture video from my tvtuner card ?
[08:39] <Ursinha> hi all
[08:39] <azzurro> any help??
[08:40] <Ursinha> i'm having a problem with automount
[08:40] <Ursinha> to one user it works, but for another it doesn't
[08:41] <azzurro> which codecs must i install for the recormydesktop
[08:41] <azzurro> or for the ogg files
[08:42] <azzurro> ogg video files
[08:42] <azzurro> coz i cant see them
[08:42] <Ursinha> azzurro, i think that the ogg codecs were installed by default
[08:42] <azzurro> Ursinha: but the only thing that i can see is a blue screen
[08:44] <Ursinha> azzurro, strange
[08:45] <azzurro> have tried?
[08:45] <azzurro> very strange
[08:45] <azzurro> video card is intel 915 gm
[08:46] <azzurro> Ursinha : also the same problem when changing the desktop with beryl
[08:46] <agm_> i installed audacity its runing fine but i cant see any text in menu or when i right click same for dillo and xmms ?
[08:48] <azzurro> ok one more problem....
[08:50] <azzurro> for the warzone 2100 all the colors are all blue tones
[08:50] <azzurro> untill the map opens everything is normal but after
[08:54] <persen> do i need to have kde (xserver) running in order to log in with freenx?
[08:54] <arun_> Um is there way to have separate taskbars for separate desktops?
[08:56] <Lynoure> arun_: I haven't ran into one, at least, so I don't think one can...
[08:56] <Lynoure> arun_: oh, just the taskbar? There is an option in there for what to show, I think
[08:57] <Lynoure> arun_: yes: Show windows from all desktops (boolean) and Sort windows by desktop (boolean) can help
[08:57] <arun_> oh really?
[08:57] <arun_> where do i change that setting
[08:58] <arun_> oh got it
[08:58] <Lynoure> arun_: in the task bar options: rightclick on the applet handle and choose configure
[08:58] <arun_> yay it works
[08:58] <arun_> thanks!
[08:58] <Lynoure> arun_: :)
[08:59] <imagine> I'm having quite an odd problem here... kacpid takes 40% of my proc... while my computer is on Idle.. any idea?
[09:00] <imagine> My lapto pis unusable.. would be nice to get some backup
[09:00] <arun_> Lynoure: you have no idea how happy this makes me :p
[09:01] <Lynoure> imagine: checking that modules fan and thermal are loaded?
[09:01] <imagine> modprobe .. .?
[09:01] <Lynoure> arun_: I think I do. I remember how happy it made me when I found my 3 panel perfect combo :)
[09:02] <Lynoure> ...and found out how to set them, so that they are visible when I want them to be and only then.
[09:02] <arun_> Lynoure: I have just realised how useful multiple desktops can be
[09:03] <arun_> i've been kubuntu for quite a while and i just realised it
[09:03] <arun_> i just disabled the desktops and kept one, initially
[09:03] <arun_> now that i've figured out the taskbar thing as well, this is great!
[09:03] <arun_> thanks
[09:03] <Lynoure> arun_: Good things sometimes take a bit time to get noticed. I'm happy for you.
[09:04] <chaotic> if i download cedega  on torrent will it work
[09:04] <imagine> Lynoure: how do I check if the module is working
[09:06] <Stanton> ok all i get is a black screen now
[09:07] <BluesKaj> Stanton, which graphics card do you have ?
[09:07] <Stanton> Nvidia geforce 6150
[09:08] <BluesKaj> and the drivers for it are installed?
[09:08] <Stanton> yes
[09:08] <Stanton> GLX
[09:08] <Stanton> nvidia glx
[09:08] <Stanton> i might reinstall linux
[09:09] <Stanton> or is there an recovery mode like windows?
[09:09] <Stanton> just resets every thing back to install defualts cept keeps installed programs?
[09:10] <pavon> Hi, I went to remove kate (I don't like it and removing it is easier than changing the file associations of everthing that is assigned to it), and when I did so apt-get wanted to remove all of kde (kde-core, kdebase, kubuntu-desktop)! Is this normal?
[09:10] <BluesKaj> isn't that the generic pnp nvidia driver ? is the geforce 6150 listed in the graphics card hardware in system settings
[09:10] <Stanton> then agen ya talking to some one whom managed to install ircii but couldnt start it.
[09:10] <Stanton> yes
[09:10] <Stanton> its listed
[09:10] <Stanton> i think
[09:10] <Stanton> unno
[09:11] <Stanton> maybe try legacy?
[09:11] <WhtWolfTeraDyne> pavon: Yes, that's normal. Kate is a part of KDE itself.
[09:11] <Stanton> sudo apt-get Nvidia-glx-legacy ?
[09:11] <Stanton> allso how do i start ircii
[09:11] <BluesKaj> you should be using the the driver for that card inb the list to get the most out of yourvideo and monitor settings
[09:11] <Stanton> but i was never able to find
[09:12] <Stanton> and i dont know how to install ones from nvidia's website
[09:12] <Stanton> ...
[09:12] <Stanton> right now i just want an imagen to show so i can do some thing
[09:12] <Stanton> and to get ircii working so i dont switch betiwn vista and linux all the time
[09:12] <Gerrit> Where is the dir_colors configuration file located on a fresh Ubuntu installation?
[09:13] <arunkale> anyone here use project looking glass?
[09:13] <Stanton> unno
[09:14] <BluesKaj> Stanton, system settings/monitor&display/admin mode /hardware/graphics card/configure
[09:14] <pavon> Okay, one other question that I couldn't find online - is there a way to disable konqueror from asking to save passwords?
[09:14] <Stanton> and i have to typ that?
[09:14] <Stanton> oh man need bigger paper..
[09:14] <BluesKaj> copy and paste Stanton
[09:14] <Stanton> am in vista
[09:15] <Stanton> i wasnt able to start ircii
[09:15] <Stanton> i dont know how.
[09:15] <Tm_T> Stanton: ircII you mean?
[09:15] <Stanton> or look in vista?
[09:15] <Stanton> yea
[09:15] <persen> do i need to have kde (xserver) running in order to log in with freenx?
[09:16] <BluesKaj> Stanton, irssi
[09:21] <pollyo> Anyone else lose flash player ability with the latet update?
[09:21] <chaotic> sudo apt-get libmad0
[09:21] <chaotic> E: Invalid operation libmad0
[09:21] <chaotic> whats that about
[09:21] <Stanton> ok
[09:21] <Stanton> brb then maybe
[09:21] <vzduch> chaotic: you forgot something important :)
[09:22] <pollyo> chaotic: Do you need an "install" argument or something like that?
[09:22] <BluesKaj> pollyo, yeah I went with the nonfree version in synaptic
[09:22] <pollyo> BluesKaj: Ok.  I'll look into that.  (thank you)
[09:22] <rewolf_laptop> argh - why do i lose my titlebars with beryl
[09:23] <evilmm> did you edit you xorg?
[09:23] <arunkale> rewolf_laptop: there's a quickfix for that
[09:24] <rewolf_laptop> ya.. ?
[09:24] <rewolf_laptop> no didnt edit xorg
[09:24] <arunkale> rewolf_laptop: hold on, will have the fix for you in a sec
[09:25] <chaotic> hey how do ubuntu used   install nvidia drivers
[09:25] <arunkale> rewolf_laptop: you're using nvidia drivers, right?
[09:25] <rewolf_laptop> yup
[09:25] <rewolf_laptop> good guess
[09:25] <rewolf_laptop> i hope it was a gues
[09:25] <rewolf_laptop> lol
[09:25] <rewolf_laptop> oh wait
[09:26] <rewolf_laptop> no
[09:26] <arunkale> rewolf_laptop: type this in your konsole -> sudo nvidia-xconfig --add-argb-glx-visuals -d 24
[09:26] <arunkale> that should fix it
[09:26] <rewolf_laptop> my pc has nvidia drivers. but this is my laptop - ati
[09:26] <arunkale> oh then that might not work for you
[09:26] <rewolf_laptop> probably not lol.
[09:26] <arunkale> will tell you the fix for ati hold on
[09:26] <rewolf_laptop> but thanks. ill try that on my pc when i get home
[09:26] <rewolf_laptop> ok shot. wow u r a champ. thanx
[09:27] <chaotic> sudo: nvidia-xconfig: command not found
[09:27] <chaotic> it says vega as my driver
[09:27] <vzduch> chaotic: sudo aptitude install nvidia-xconfig
[09:29] <arunkale> rewolf_laptop: try this.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=428442
[09:29] <rewolf_laptop> thanks
[09:31] <vzduch> Chello seems to be omnipresent in Europe.. only country I haven't yet seen it is Germany
[09:33] <charles__> how do you set up your gmail account in kontact
[09:33] <sx66> how do you set up your gmail account in kontact
[09:33] <vzduch> !repeat
[09:33] <ubotu> Don't feel ignored and repeat your question quickly; if nobody knows your answer, nobody will answer you. You can search https://help.ubuntu.com or http://wiki.ubuntu.com while you wait. Also see !patience
[09:34] <sx66> sorry, I had chaned my nick
[09:34] <runlevelten> sx66: on gmail.com you'll find the settings for pop clients. Create a new account in kmail and use those
[09:35] <sx66> k
[09:38] <rewolf_laptop> um... i just downloaded beryl-manager while i was reading. and emerald. then tried using it, b4 i tried wat that page said. and it worked. no clue why.  but thanks for the help
[09:39] <sx66> runlevelten: what would be the host?
[09:39] <arunkale> rewolf_laptop: everything works now, right?
[09:42] <wsjunior> google desktop search breaks systray applet into a single line, is there any way to fix it without have to use a larger panel?
[09:43] <C|icK> hello everyone
[09:44] <arunkale> hey C|icK
[09:44] <enzo_> Am I able to install win98se through Linux?
[09:44] <rewolf_laptop> ya
[09:44] <rewolf_laptop> arunkale : alles is goed dankie
[09:44] <vzduch> enzo_: ?
[09:45] <enzo_> For some strange reason, I can't install directly from the floppy drive: Disk boot failure, insert system disk and press enter
[09:45] <rewolf_laptop> not that im afrikaans lol
[09:45] <arunkale> :)
[09:45] <arunkale> it's all good
[09:45] <C|icK> anyone came across this problem? "Uncompressing Linux... Ok booting the kernel" its stops there for hours :(
[09:45] <vzduch> enzo_: do you want to install Linux or W98?
[09:45] <C|icK> gu arunkale
[09:45] <wsjunior> google desktop search tool breaks systray applet into a single line, is there any way to fix it without have to use a larger panel?
[09:45] <enzo_> vzduch: win98se
[09:46] <vzduch> enzo_: then this is definitely the wrong place to ask.. try ##windows
[09:46] <enzo_> vzduch: I know, but I'm asking if it can be done through linux
[09:46] <arunkale> you can install it using vmware
[09:46] <vzduch> enzo_: how do you think this is going to be done?
[09:46] <enzo_> That's why I'm asking
[09:46] <IAmWill_> okay, so, I pop my brand new amd64 feisty 7.04 cd into the drive and boot it up, and after I select install from the boot menu, my screen goes off saying there is no digital input... but after about 5 minutes, i get to the install desktop.... any reason why that happens?
[09:46] <vzduch> well, you've got to have some sort of concept
[09:47] <vzduch> what's the problem w/ installing W98 anyway?
[09:47] <enzo_> For some strange reason, I can't install directly from the floppy drive: Disk boot failure, insert system disk and press enter
[09:47] <IAmWill_> i can only imagine after i install kubuntu, there is going to be a world of hell i have to go through
[09:47] <vzduch> enzo_: then the floppy is defect
[09:47] <raylu> enzo_, that means the floppy isn't bootable
[09:47] <enzo_> IAmWill_: Nope. It's pretty smooth
[09:48] <enzo_> :(
[09:48] <annkas>  I've partitioned, formatted and mounted an external hd. Now I would relly like that it ops up on the Desktop when I connect it. I'm not going to use this device myself, but the teachers at my school, so..
[09:49] <raylu> does it pop up when you connect it on your account?
[09:50] <runlevelten> sx66: It's on the gmail website. Go and have a look! :)
[09:50] <raylu> I have a hard drive in computer 1 that I want to move to computer 2. Computer 2 currently only has 1 HD, but it's IDE cables seem to have a handle on both ends o.0
[09:50] <annkas> raylu: Yes, but not on the desktop
[09:51] <IAmWill_> cool, where is the best nvidia walkthrough to use to get my card online? (nv 8600GT pcie)
[09:52] <enzo_> !nvidia
[09:52] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[09:52] <raylu> annkas, is your account the first account that came with feisty?
[09:52] <raylu> and have you modified it's groups?
[09:52] <viraj> could anyone help me config my wifi?
[09:53] <annkas> raylu: sorry, I'm using debian etch, thought it worked the same in kubuntu and debian. Does it?
[09:53] <viraj> getting "message no dhcp offers received"
[09:53] <raylu> annkas, not quite. both will mount it automatically if you're in the right group, but im not sure where the option to stick it on the desktop is
[09:53] <raylu> viraj, out of range
[09:54] <viraj> so i increase the range of the wifi router?
[09:54] <raylu> er...
[09:54] <raylu> "out of range" = you are too far away
[09:54] <viraj> no i'm sitting next to it!!
[09:55] <annkas> It's mounted all right, but the pop up on the desktop is quite urgent, in order to get the users to use it, otherwise I don't think more than 50% of them will be able to find it..
[09:55] <BluesKaj> annkas, /join #debian
[09:55] <sx66> how do you stop the receiving of email, it is loading 394230490134k email into my inbox on kmail.
[09:55] <raylu> viraj, what kinda wifi device?
[09:55] <annkas> BluesKaj: yes, I've tried ther, but no answers
[09:56] <viraj> asus wl 520g
[09:56] <IAmWill_> enzo_, well, just rebooted from the install, and i have no screen
[09:56] <raylu> er...is it built-in, pci, usb?
[09:57] <viraj> that is the router.... my wifi card is a broadcom..... the driver is loaded i figured out
[09:57] <viraj> pci
[09:57] <IAmWill_> enzo_, nm... its just the booting sceen, it lets me in after that
[09:57] <raylu> lspci may help
[09:58] <viraj> Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4318 [AirForce One 54g]  802.11g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 02)
[09:59] <viraj> voila!
[10:00] <viraj> raylu?
[10:01] <BluesKaj> annkas , have you considered putting it into the boot sequence in the BIOS ?
[10:02] <annkas> BluesKaj: I'd prefer doing it in the software
[10:03] <raylu> viraj, try installing kwifimanager or using alt+f1>system settings > network
[10:03] <BluesKaj> yeah, just a suggestion ...prolly need to edit the fstab file but I'm not knowledgeable enuff to tell you how
[10:05] <viraj> do i have to do an apt-get kwifimanager?
[10:05] <gumjo> hello, is there some program I can use to set password for wi-fi?
[10:08] <cheeseboy> whats the live cds user password?
[10:09] <vzduch> afaik there is none.. you'd have to set it if you wanted to use it
[10:09] <willis_> Hmm. There is none as far as i know.
[10:09] <ompaul> cheeseboy, there is none, you use "sudo command" to execute a terminal command or gksu gui-command
[10:10] <ompaul> cheeseboy, kdsu even
[10:10] <vzduch> ompaul: in KDE you use 'kdesu'
[10:10] <ompaul> vzduch, ya, did not notice what channel I was in
[10:10] <vzduch> *gg*
[10:10] <BluesKaj> ompaul, pls forget gnome, this is KDE country! :)
[10:11] <ompaul> BluesKaj, I can't - I got a distro to support :)
[10:11] <viraj> how do i install kwifimanager?
[10:11] <arunkale> viraj: go to adept and search for it
[10:11] <vzduch> ompaul: what are you doing in #kubuntu then? ;)
[10:11] <ompaul> not the kubuntu ones
[10:12] <BluesKaj> viraj, it should already be installed under knetwork manager
[10:12] <wsjunior> im trying to use my bluetooth headset with teamspeak. i need to set up the output device like the default one which is /dev/snd. my bluetooth headset is paired and working, already tested with skype. how could i know which device represent it to set it up in teamspeak. i mean, if the oss is /dev/dsp what would be my bleutooth headset device?
[10:13] <viraj> i tried doing everything posible with knetwork manager but it doesn't help
[10:14] <viraj> with konsole, i get 'network down'
[10:14] <willis_> !info sux
[10:14] <viraj> or 'no dhcp offers recieved'
[10:14] <ubotu> sux: wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials. In component universe, is optional. Version 1.0.1-3.2 (feisty), package size 8 kB, installed size 64 kB
[10:15] <BluesKaj> !wireless
[10:15] <ubotu> Wireless documentation can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs
[10:15] <viraj> tried
[10:15] <BluesKaj> !KNetwork
[10:15] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about knetwork - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[10:15] <mo0osah> I have a file in the lost and found menu under Kde, how do i move it to where it belongs
[10:15] <viraj>  anyway, thankyou! will try tomm
[10:16] <BluesKaj> what file mo0osah ?
[10:16] <mo0osah> BluesKaj: openoffice.org Drawing
[10:18] <BluesKaj> Hi Dr_Willis_ ...why do files end up in lost& found ... mo0osah would like to know where 'openoffice.org Drawing' belongs.
[10:18] <Dr_Willis_> The Lost and found MENU item? or the /lost+found directory?
[10:19] <arunkale> how hard is it to set up wifi with kubuntu?
[10:19] <vzduch> never knew there is a 'lost and found' menu item
[10:19] <Dr_Willis_> Openoffice.org - would belong in the Office Apps I guess. :)
[10:20] <BluesKaj> I had a version of Neotrace which i thought i could run under wine end up in the lost&found menu
[10:20] <Dr_Willis_> Seen the 'lost and found' menu item when some pagckages dont set up their icon properly
[10:20] <juliano> ola?
[10:21] <BluesKaj> dudeman ...how's the surf ? :)
[10:21] <juliano> ola?
[10:21] <vzduch> !ask | juliano
[10:21] <ubotu> juliano: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[10:24] <charles__> do anyone have jabber configured in kopete as gtalk? and how do you do it?
[10:24] <raylu> yes
[10:25] <raylu> just follow the help on configuring some random client on google's help pages
[10:25] <BluesKaj> charles__, 	I think the answer to that may be a long time coming ... :)
[10:29] <charles__> BluesKaj: I have done this:
[10:29] <charles__> #
[10:29] <charles__> Basic Setup
[10:29] <charles__>      Jabber Id: [xxxx@gmail.com] 
[10:29] <charles__>  [ ]  Remeber Password whatever you prefer
[10:29] <charles__>      Password: [xxxx] 
[10:29] <charles__> # On the second tab enter
[10:29] <charles__> Connection
[10:29] <charles__>  [x]  Use protocol encryption (SSL)
[10:29] <charles__>  [x]  Allow plain-text password authentication
[10:29] <charles__>  [x]  Override default server information
[10:29] <charles__>      Server: [talk.google.com]          Port: [5223] 
[10:30] <vzduch> !paste | sx66
[10:30] <ubotu> sx66: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (be sure to give the URL of your paste - see also the #kubuntu channel topic)
[10:30] <sx66> yeah
[10:35] <IAmWill_> whats up with wine not being able to pull from the repository?
[10:35] <BluesKaj> sorry sx66 , I have no idea ...we don't get many questions about jabber here
[10:35] <vzduch> IAmWill_: ?
[10:35] <IAmWill_> under requested... it says "BREAK (install")
[10:36] <soul> can someone help me to watch a dvd. I hav installed libdvdcss2, libdvdread, My region code is 1. and I'm trying to view with either vlc or kaffein
[10:36] <tams> hey
[10:37] <vzduch> IAmWill_: ?
[10:37] <IAmWill_> vzduch, i dont know... thats why i am asking
[10:38] <vzduch> IAmWill_: I don't understand the problem
[10:38] <chaotic> hey guys how do i run as root
[10:38] <IAmWill_> vzduch, i would like to install wine
[10:38] <vzduch> !sudo | chaotic
[10:38] <ubotu> chaotic: sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[10:39] <chaotic> im trying to install nvidia drivers
[10:39] <vzduch> IAmWill_: sudo aptitude install wine
[10:39] <vzduch> chaotic: for what card
[10:39] <vzduch> ?
[10:39] <chaotic> nvidia geforce4  mx
[10:39] <chaotic> it comes up  as vega
[10:40] <tams> Foolish me has turned on desktop effects in KDE but I can't turn them off (and is slowing down my already grinding box). Tried to uncheck desktop effects in both current user and root systemsettings but that doesn't help. What should I do?
[10:40] <vzduch> chaotic: should work after 'sudo aptitude install nvidia-glx-legacy
[10:41] <soul> got it working using totem
[10:41] <IAmWill_> vzduch, hrm... wine isnt on my repo list, its just libwine  =(
[10:42] <vzduch> !wine
[10:42] <ubotu> wine is a compatibility layer for running Windows programs on GNU/Linux. See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Wine for more information.
[10:42] <Dragon_1212> yea wine SUXS
[10:42] <Dragon_1212> has a low frame rate for games
[10:43] <raylu> lol
[10:43] <Dragon_1212> anyways anyone got AIM here
[10:43] <raylu> "i can't get wine to play my games at a decent frame rate" does not = "wine suxs"
[10:44] <Dragon_1212> yea we all know wine suxs
[10:44] <chaotic> hey is there any way to not have a password on kubuntu
[10:44] <Dragon_1212> just w8 till linux runs microsoft MUHAHAHA
[10:44] <chaotic> getting annoying
[10:44] <tzanger> bah, sodipodi keeps crashing on me, dammit
[10:45] <Dragon_1212> then we shall run the retail stores HAHAHAAH
[10:45] <raylu> chaotic, menu>system settigns>advanced>login manager>last tab>password-less logins
[10:45] <IAmWill_> raylu, wow.. ignorance is bliss around here.. i have never had problems with wine
[10:45] <Dragon_1212> passwords are actually good for linux
[10:45] <IAmWill_> raylu, i actually like it better than cedega
[10:45] <Dragon_1212> well i do
[10:45] <Dragon_1212> its gives me low FRAME RATE
[10:46] <IAmWill_> Dragon_1212, configure it
[10:46] <Dragon_1212> how
[10:46] <Dragon_1212> support plz
[10:46] <IAmWill_> winecfg
[10:46] <Dragon_1212> where do i go for tht
[10:46] <Dragon_1212> terminal???
[10:46] <IAmWill_> wow
[10:46] <Dragon_1212> yea new to linux
[10:46] <IAmWill_> man wine
[10:46] <Dragon_1212> yea WHERE
[10:47] <Dragon_1212> WHERE IS THE FILE!!!!
[10:47] <IAmWill_> no no.. go to a terminal and type "man wine"
[10:47] <Dragon_1212> oh ok
[10:47] <IAmWill_> also, go to a terminal "winecfg"
[10:47] <IAmWill_> Dragon_1212, also, make sure your videocard is getting good fps
[10:47] <IAmWill_> glxgears
[10:48] <vzduch> chaotic: what's annoying about the pwd?
[10:50] <tams> Dragon_1212: "just w8 till linux runs microsoft MUHAHAHA" - actually Linux does run at least some of Microsoft :)
[10:50] <IAmWill_> Dragon_1212, ohh, and also, stop asking people if they have AIM, thats a little stalker-ish
[10:50] <tams> they have quite a few off-the shelf routers with embedded linux :] 
[10:50] <Dragon_1212> oh ok
[10:50] <IAmWill_> tams, hell all of it.. vmware rules!!
[10:50] <IAmWill_> vmware puts windows where it belongs.... in a window
[10:50] <wsjunior> kopete show correctly my webcam image in device configuration, but when i send webcam to an user or accept an invitation nothing happens, is there any way to debug it to try to understand whats wrong?
[10:53] <constantin_> hi all
[10:56] <raylu> !hi
[10:56] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[10:56] <raylu> wsjunior, try running kopete from a command line
[10:57] <spitwise> after an upgrade to feisty i can no longer play video
[10:57] <spitwise> or audio
[10:58] <crazyrobot> can anybody tell me how to get the thermal_zone info working?
[10:59] <wsjunior> raylu: it doesnt produce useful info
[10:59] <wsjunior> it seems it wasnt compiled with debug option
[11:00] <gumjo> you might want to try the #kopete channel
[11:01] <raylu> might also want to try pidgin...but that's gtk, so i'd recommend not looking at the screen while using it
[11:01] <IAmWill_> !beryl
[11:01] <ubotu> beryl is a window manager that takes advantage of an OpenGL accelerated X environment. Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:02] <raylu> !compiz
[11:02] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[11:02] <wsjunior> they will tell me to compile by hand with debug option, thats why i was asking here for other solution
[11:02] <raylu> o.0...nothing about this fusion stuff
[11:02] <raylu> compile by hand...are we using cardreaders now?
[11:03] <wsjunior> u knou what i meant
[11:04] <raylu> lol
[11:04] <raylu> :(
[11:08] <bart_> Uhm... How can I install my nvidia drivers in kubuntu?
[11:09] <velle_> Anybody uses sshfs?
[11:09] <charles__> kubuntu does not see my usb thumbdrives, it launches a window and does not see my files off of my thumbdrive
[11:09] <IAmWill_> whats better... xgl or aiglx?
[11:09] <Darkrift411> does anyone know a better plugin than this "mplayer plugin" for firefox? that one is crap, and it locks up firefox on 80% of the vidoes i try on it
[11:10] <tams> Darkrift411: well, the only "replacement" I have found for it was to right click, copy url and then kget...
[11:12] <charles__> how do you mount usb thumbdrives?
[11:12] <tams> There is one other tip involving CrossOver and WMP, but I shall remain silent as I fear that someday Stallman will cut me half with a chainsaw
[11:12] <tams> charles__: if automount doesn't work try "fdisk -l" and mount it by hand
[11:14] <charles__> tams: i did that and it put some commands, now what?
[11:16] <raylu> charles__, it didn't automatically do it when you plugged it in?
[11:16] <raylu> oh
[11:16] <raylu> *blind
[11:16] <tams> well if you see only one device and have a mount directory e.g. /media/usbdisk do "sudo -t vfat mount /dev/... /media/usbdisk" where ... is the device name you see in fdisk -l
[11:17] <gumjo> darkrift, you can try VLC plugin and Totem plug-in, personally I find mplayer the best
[11:17] <charles__> tams: it launched 'launch to new window' I clicked that, but I can not see my files off of my thumb drive. I get a out put of
[11:17] <charles__> mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sdb1,
[11:17] <charles__> missing codepage or other error
[11:17] <charles__> In some cases useful info is found in syslog - try
[11:17] <charles__> dmesg | tail or so
[11:18] <tams> do that dmesg | tail then :] 
[11:20] <charles__> tams: it sees my other files...
[11:20] <charles__> ummm
[11:20] <tams> um, excuse me? :)
[11:20] <chaotic> how  come  when  i test  my card  after i  change it  it  goes to  a grey screen with a balck x in the middle
[11:21] <chaotic> mt  black
[11:21] <nosrednaekim> Chousuke: whta re you doing again?
[11:22] <draik> Does anyone here know how I can use VMware to access my winxp partition within Kubuntu?
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> chaotic: sorry, what are you doing again?
[11:22] <raylu> chaotic, don't use ./x
[11:22] <chaotic> i installed my nvia drivers it recognizes  it  before i can hit apply it requires me to test  the card when  i test i get a grey screen and the mought pointer is a black x
[11:22] <raylu> chaotic, use kdm start (i think)
[11:22] <nosrednaekim> draik: set up network bridge
[11:22] <draik> nosrednaekim: Winxp is on the same hdd, diff partition
[11:23] <IAmWill_> how do you change the compiz theme?
[11:23] <BluesKaj> I've lost the File , Edit, Bookmarks, ..the text options at the top of Konqueror ...don't ask me how i did it ...if I did i wouldn't be asking how to restore them ?
[11:23] <IAmWill_> ie.. like emerald theme manager?
[11:23] <tams> draik: when creating a virtual machine at some point it will offer the option to use a real partition
[11:23] <draik> IAmWill_: How do you like Kubuntu? Seems that you got passed the blank screen!
[11:23] <chaotic> whats kdm     start
[11:23] <vzduch> draik: yeah, but the XP install in VMware is in a container, so it needs to get out of the container to access the physical files
[11:24] <tams> draik: you might want to create a new hardware profile if you want to use your XP virtually and natively...
[11:24] <IAmWill_> draik, used it before... and keep going between gentoo and kubuntu.... i like that I dont have to program my computer to use it
[11:24] <nosrednaekim> draik: right. what you do is mount the windows partition and then make a gateway between your VM  and linux
[11:24] <IAmWill_> ;-)
[11:24] <draik> tams: know of a tutorial?
[11:24] <draik> nosrednaekim: Pardon my ignorance. Thank you much
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> NP.
[11:25] <wepiha> I have a problem enabling my 'Shared/Line-in' switch, it won't toggle!
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> !vmware
[11:25] <ubotu> VMWare Player is in Ubuntu's !Multiverse repository (package "vmware-player"), and http://www.easyvmx.com/easyvmx.shtml can create VMs for it. For VMWare Server, instructions can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VMware - See also !virtualizers
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> !vm netowkring
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vm netowkring - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <nosrednaekim> !vm networking
[11:25] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about vm networking - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[11:25] <tams> draik: um, setting up hardware profiles can be done in control panel > system. I don't know of a tutorial for that in vmware. It's really clicky-clicky stuff
[11:26] <tams> draik: http://www.motin.eu/www/mirror/physvmware/
[11:28] <IAmWill_> seriously, where is a damn compiz walkthrough for KUBUNTU!!  i am sick of having to read though a bunch of gnome bullshit to get what i need done
[11:28] <IAmWill_> excuse my french.. just a little frustrated
[11:28] <nosrednaekim> IAmWill_: yep... I understand
[11:28] <tams> IAmWill_: seems like you'll be the one to write it :)
[11:29] <IAmWill_> ohh geez
[11:29] <IAmWill_> haha
[11:29] <tams> For every howto there is one frustrated altruist who first wrote it.
[11:29] <raylu> though they may have been frustrated at being asked the question a bunch of times
[11:30] <raylu> though i suppose that's not true for giant communities like this
[11:30] <tams> good point :)
[11:30] <IAmWill_> everything references gnome menu options.. i mean.. who does that.... linux uses a damn terminal
[11:31] <IAmWill_> i think i am going to go pick on the #gnome guys again
[11:31] <chaotic> how come when i test my gfx   card  i keep goingto that grey scree n with the black x
[11:32] <tams> uneducated guess: your x is working right, but there is no wm loaded?
[11:32] <IAmWill_> how do i set themes in compiz?
[11:33] <tzanger> anyone here a karbon expert, or at least at some level > extreme noob like me?  :-)
[11:33] <Dragnslcr>  IAmWill_- probably with a theme manager such as Emerald
[11:34] <IAmWill_> Dragnslcr, i have Emerald, but when i select the theme, nothing changes
[11:34] <IAmWill_> =(
[11:34] <IAmWill_> in fact, all of the windows have no theme
[11:34] <IAmWill_> or decor
[11:34] <Dragnslcr> You have compiz running and set to use Emerald as the theme manager?
[11:35] <IAmWill_> Dragnslcr, i am guessing not... how is this achieved?
[11:35] <Dragnslcr> /usr/bin/compiz.real --loose-binding --ignore-desktop-hints --sm-disable --replace ccp &
[11:35] <Dragnslcr> Is what I use to start it
[11:35] <Dragnslcr> What version of Compiz are you using?
[11:36] <IAmWill_> Dragnslcr, 0.3.6
[11:37] <BluesKaj> ok, Konqueror as a browser is a mess due to my misunderstanding of the nomenclature and what certain options actually do...is there a way to restore Konqueror to it's original state .
[11:38] <Lynoure> deleting the configurations (or rather, moving them elsewhere) could help
[11:38] <Lynoure> usually it triggers the software to create its default configuration on next start
[11:38] <IAmWill_> Dragnslcr, the way you loaded it didnt quite work for me either... and now I cant even move my windows around on the screen (even with the alt)
[11:39] <BluesKaj> I've mainly screwed up the toolbars Lynoure
[11:40] <vzduch> BluesKaj: 'mv ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc ~/.kde/share/config/konquerorrc.old'.. on next startup it should generate a fresh konquerorrc iiac
[11:40] <Lynoure> BluesKaj: It's too late for me tonight to try to figure out what specific options need resetting, but you could diff the configurations after moving them
[11:40] <boudewijn> rm -rf ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror
[11:41] <boudewijn> moving IS better, rm -rf is rather drastic
[11:41] <vzduch> boudewijn: indeed
[11:41] <BluesKaj> ok vzduch , gonna try that :)
[11:42] <vzduch> BluesKaj: but you might also try to rename ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/
[11:42] <vzduch> it'll be regenerated as well
[11:42] <BluesKaj> righton vzduch , success :)  !
[11:44] <vzduch> :)
[11:48] <BluesKaj> vzduch, I don't understand what you mean by:  rename ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror/ ?
[11:49] <vzduch> BluesKaj: rename the directory so Konqueror won't find it anymore, then it will generate a new one.. but if your problems are now solved, it's not necessary anymore :)
[11:49] <vzduch> huhu Sanne :)
[11:50] <Sanne> hi vzduch :)
[11:50] <BluesKaj> ok vzduch , can i run 2 versions of konq simultaneously..one as the browser and another a sthe file manager ?
[11:50] <raylu> yes
[11:51] <vzduch> BluesKaj: versions?
[11:51] <boudewijn> try this:   konqueror -profile filemanagement
[11:52] <vzduch> Konq is meant to be both a browser and file manager, and as you can run multiple instances at once, you can use one for web browsing and one for file browsing.. you can even do that in the same instance in different tabs
[11:52] <boudewijn> or:   konqueror -profile webbrowsing
[11:53] <phoenixz> problem: k3b under kubuntu does not detect my DVD writer which k3b under Fedora did detect.. Anything to solve this one?
[11:53] <BluesKaj> ok not versions but 2 different operatives ... a browser as one app and a file manager as another app
[11:54] <BluesKaj> !dvd
[11:54] <ubotu> For playing DVD, see http://help.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/video.html - "libdvdcss2" can be found at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/SeveasPackages - Try k9copy (available in !Universe) for backing up DVDs
[11:55] <phoenixz> BluesKaj, If that one was for me.. I dont think that will help :) k3b does not detect my DVD writer, so that I can write dvd's
[11:56] <hasan> how can i umount my usb drive?
[11:57] <BluesKaj> phoenixz, is your dvdwriter listed in system settinings>advanced>disk&filesystems ?
[11:57] <draik> Thank you nosrednaekim and tams for the links. Great source of info. Too bad easyvmx.com didn't work for me
[11:58] <vzduch> hasan: Konqueror >> Storage Media >> right-click your USB drive & select 'Safely remove'
[11:58] <tams_> you're welcome :)
[11:59] <IAmWill_> wow.. i am having a million problems
[11:59] <Sanne> hasan: or via right click the icon for the usb device on your desktop
[11:59] <IAmWill_> when i hit ctrl+alt+backspace, my screen goes offline with "No Digital Signal"
[12:00] <IAmWill_> same thing it does on boot
[12:00] <IAmWill_> but with the ctrl+alt+backspace, it doesnt recover
[12:00] <hasan> how can i do that from command line?
[12:00] <IAmWill_> i have to reset it
[12:00] <raylu> ctrl+alt+f1 to recover
[12:00] <hasan> and it does not seem umounted
[12:00] <IAmWill_> raylu, nope
[12:00] <raylu> hasan, umount --help
[12:00] <hasan> in windows when i say stop usb storage media i can listen music while charging
[12:01] <hasan> here it goes on charging ?
[12:01] <hasan> is it not really removed?
[12:03] <Jemidon> ello
[12:04] <raylu> !hi
[12:04] <ubotu> Hi! Welcome to #kubuntu!
[12:04] <raylu> hasan, unmount != remove
[12:04] <raylu> mounting only refers to the filesystem on the device
[12:05] <maverick> maverick:
[12:05] <raylu> windows's safely remove is umount + cut power to the thing and pretend it's not there at all
[12:05] <raylu> maverick has discovered tab-completion o.0
[12:05] <boudewijn> :)
[12:05] <maverick> lool
[12:05] <Jemidon> lol
[12:05] <maverick> i miss this room
[12:05] <maverick> seriously..i used to support here
[12:06] <maverick> newly converted to kubuntu since 1 year and i forgot the auto - completion thingy
[12:06] <vzduch> maverick: well, why not anymore?
[12:06] <BluesKaj> welcome back, maverick, we could use your help , no doubt :)
[12:06] <maverick> well, now i am
[12:06] <maverick> back
[12:06] <maverick> thnx  :)
[12:07] <Jemidon> well i could use some help lol
[12:07] <vzduch> "Swedish Designer Drugs"
[12:07] <maverick> sure thing.. :D
[12:07] <vzduch> !ask | Jemidon
[12:07] <ubotu> Jemidon: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[12:07] <Jemidon> lol thanx vz :)
[12:08] <hasan> raylu: so how can i do it?
[12:08] <Jemidon> so, i'm having trouble updating my repositories, and due to that, i'm having trouble getting my libxine-extracodecs so that I can play MP3s through amarok
[12:09] <maverick> jemidon: go to ubuntuguide.org
[12:09] <Jemidon> i have tried sudo apt-get -f update, sudo aptitude update and sudo aptitude upgrade, all to no avail
[12:09] <maverick> and there u'll find in the guide how to get the codecs
[12:09] <maverick> and how to update the repos. for this purpose
[12:09] <nzk|irssi> How do I run .run files?
[12:10] <maverick> jemidon: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_install_Multimedia_Codecs
[12:10] <wepiha> nzk|irssi: by using sh <file>.run
[12:10] <maverick> jemidon: http://ubuntuguide.org/wiki/Ubuntu:Feisty#How_to_add_extra_repositories
[12:11] <BluesKaj> Sunshine! ...after2 days of rain ...yay
[12:12] <wepiha> rain. after 3 days of rain and a little ice... booo :(
[12:12] <maverick> jemidon: you first have to enable some repos. in order to be able to download the codecs...that's all
[12:12] <vzduch> nzk|irssi: what are you trying to run?
[12:13] <BluesKaj> yeah Jemidon , you have to add those repos due to legal issues in the US
[12:13] <vzduch> BluesKaj: not only in the US, but mainly
[12:14] <vzduch> e.g. Germany seems to be getting increasingly restrictive in this respect.. in other countries, e.g. the Netherlands, Sweden or Switzerland this is no issue at all