[12:35] <calc> raf256: alsa doesn't suck, its lack of drivers generally
[12:36] <crimsun> people love blaming stuff they don't understand.
[12:37] <Pricey> people love blaming devs over stuff they don't understand
[12:37] <cps1966> crimsun:  well jump in and fix this then
[12:37] <crimsun> cps1966: well, give me more details.
[12:38] <cps1966> i know its not skype because it work with same kernel in mandriva
[12:38] <crimsun> you might also note that I've led ALSA maintenance in Ubuntu for the past 2 years.
[12:38] <phr0stbyte> cps1966: Did you loose your sound after updates?
[12:38] <cps1966> no i have sound its just the mic output is null
[12:38] <phr0stbyte> Ah
[12:39] <phr0stbyte> cps1966: Check the mic with alsamixer?
[12:39] <cps1966> its all the way up and with boost on full
[12:39] <SeveredCross> Woot woot.
[12:40] <crimsun> "If you are filing a bug report pertaining to ALSA, please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support, and attach output (a URL) from the paste generated by the alsa-info.sh script linked from that page."
[12:40] <crimsun> right on my LP page.
[12:41] <cps1966> crimsun:  that url isn't working
[12:41] <Peaker> Gutsy is pronounced the way it is written?
[12:41] <SeveredCross> I would believe so, yes.
[12:41] <SeveredCross> Gut-see
[12:42] <crimsun> cps1966: then use the output from ``lspci -nv && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''
[12:42] <Peaker> thanks
[12:42] <phr0stbyte> I would shy away from updating to kernel 2.6.22-8 - at least if you are running an nvidia card
[12:43] <cps1966> !pastebin
[12:43] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[12:44] <SeveredCross> ATI works fine. :)
[12:44] <SeveredCross> For once.
[12:44] <phr0stbyte> heh
[12:44] <cps1966> crimsun:  here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29869/
[12:44] <SeveredCross> I just wish the ATI driver supported compositing OOTB.
[12:45] <SeveredCross> I hear AMD is commited to making it open-source though.
[12:45] <SeveredCross> Err, committed.
[12:45] <phr0stbyte> SeveredCross: I had to remove the kernel entry out of grub to even boot up into graphical mode
[12:45] <crimsun> cps1966: now, ``cat /proc/asound/cards /proc/interrupts && amixer -c2''
[12:45] <cps1966> err they should have committed themselves to nuthouse
[12:49] <phr0stbyte> SeveredCross: Have you seen their new card? the PowerColor Radeon HD 2900 XT
[12:49] <SeveredCross> Nope, haven't..
[12:49] <phr0stbyte> Looks like it sucks some crazy power
[12:49] <SeveredCross> I've been out of the loop for a few days, haven't checked Liferea to see what's new in the world of tech.
[12:49] <SeveredCross> I'm probably gonna have a thousand bloody unread articles.
[12:50] <crimsun> cps1966: still awaiting the URL.
[12:50] <SeveredCross> 655.
[12:50] <phr0stbyte> SeveredCross: core clock speed = 743MHz
[12:51] <cps1966> crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/618380
[12:52] <crimsun> cps1966: so where's the output from amixer -c2 in that paste?
[12:54] <cps1966> crimsun:  where is it hiding
[12:54] <crimsun> you didn't paste it.  I have no idea.
[12:55] <cps1966> 0 [ICH5           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH5
[12:55] <crimsun> no, amixer -c2
[12:55] <crimsun> not cat /proc/asound/cards
[12:56] <cps1966> thats what i got
[12:56] <crimsun> amixer does not output that.
[12:57] <cps1966> no output at all
[12:57] <cps1966> just returns prompt
[12:57] <crimsun> `amixer -c2;echo $?` returns nothing?
[12:58] <cps1966> 0
[12:58] <crimsun> ah
[12:58] <crimsun> different output.
[12:59] <crimsun> you need amixer -c0
[12:59] <SeveredCross> 743 Mhz!
[12:59] <SeveredCross> Jesus christ!
[01:01] <cps1966> crimsun:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29870/
[01:02] <crimsun> Simple mixer control 'Capture',0
[01:02] <crimsun>   Capabilities: cvolume cswitch
[01:02] <crimsun>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
[01:02] <crimsun>   Limits: Capture 0 - 15
[01:02] <crimsun>   Front Left: Capture 0 [0%]  [0.00dB]  [on] 
[01:02] <crimsun>   Front Right: Capture 0 [0%]  [0.00dB]  [on] 
[01:02] <crimsun> see how Capture is zeroed?
[01:03] <soc> hi
[01:03] <cps1966> yeah so how do i change it
[01:03] <soc> does somebody plan to sync avivo with upstream?
[01:03] <crimsun> cps1966: use the mixer applet.
[01:04] <crimsun> cps1966: or alsamixer or amixer or aumix or ...
[01:04] <soc> 0.1.0 should be out shortly,, suppoting 68 r500 gpus ...
[01:05] <cps1966> alsamixer says its set at 97%
[01:05] <crimsun> it's not.
[01:05] <soc> are there plans to update avivo, so testers can get their hands on it?
[01:05] <crimsun> it's very, very clearly 0%
[01:06] <cps1966> hmm
[01:06] <crimsun> cps1966: note: I'm talking about CAPTURE, not MIC.
[01:06] <crimsun> very, very different.
[01:06] <crimsun> on most AC'97 hardware, you need both Capture and Mic unmuted and non-zero
[01:07] <cps1966> doesn't show capture
[01:07] <crimsun> so add it.
[01:07] <crimsun> Open Volume Control> Edit> Preferences
[01:08] <cps1966> i'm using kde
[01:08] <soc> does aynone know something about the avivo driver?
[01:08] <crimsun> so use KMix.
[01:09] <cps1966> ok capture is set at 30
[01:09] <cps1966> top level
[01:09] <crimsun> now capture something via arecord
[01:11] <cps1966> nothing
[01:11] <cps1966> silence
[01:12] <crimsun> are you using Mic1 or Mic2 physically?
[01:12] <crimsun> (sometimes "front mic jack" or "rear mic jack")
[01:12] <cps1966> theres only one input
[01:13] <crimsun> so switch the control to Mic2
[01:14] <cps1966> still nada
[01:17] <crimsun> play with your Surround elements.
[01:17] <crimsun> this includes downmixing and # channel selections
[01:20] <cps1966> hmm nothing
[01:20] <crimsun> there are a _lot_ of combinations.
[01:21] <crimsun> read the ALSA wiki under Capture/Recording
[01:21] <crimsun> alsa.opensrc.org
[01:22] <cps1966>  Capture exclusive group: 0
[01:22] <cps1966>   Playback channels: Mono
[01:22] <cps1966>   Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right
[01:22] <cps1966>   Limits: Playback 0 - 31
[01:22] <cps1966>   Mono: Playback 30 [97%]  [10.50dB]  [on] 
[01:22] <cps1966>   Front Left: Capture [on] 
[01:22] <cps1966>   Front Right: Capture [on] 
[01:23] <crimsun> you have additional codec quirks; the wiki mentions them.
[01:23] <crimsun> I'm away for the evening.
[02:14] <martoss> hi folks
[02:14] <martoss> i am trying to get a virtualized opensuse or redhat running.
[02:14] <martoss> i need gutsy and the 2.6.22 kernel, due to santa rosa.
[02:14] <martoss> any chances to get vmware, xen or whatever running?
[02:20] <soc> does someone know when a new version of the avivo driver will get into gutsy?
[02:27] <justdave> I'm running gutsy, and I just installed the openvpn plugin for NetworkManager, and the Configure VPN... option shows up in the network manager menu, but when I pick it, nothing happens.  Anyone know where to start troubleshooting?
[02:28] <justdave> found a thread on the same symptoms in the forums, but it's from Jan 2005, and whatever the issue was there was supposedly solved a long time ago.
[03:09] <r00tintheb0x> Hey guys, is there any way to switch a Fedora server to an Ubuntu server remotely? Should I just SCP all the directories over and reinstall grub?
[03:11] <r00tintheb0x> brb
[03:37] <CharlesEdwardPax> The gutsy daily-live iso image has not been updated in quite some time now. The dail iso image, however, has. For example; the daily iso has restricted-manager 0.23 while the daily-live has only restricted-manager 0.20.
[03:37] <CharlesEdwardPax> Does anyone know what is going on? When can I expect to see a daily-live iso image with the current packages. I would like a current build to test on my PowerBook. Thanks...
[03:52] <MrFeetio> i just installed alot of updates (kernel 22-7 to 22-8)
[03:52] <MrFeetio> and now my laptop is running 10 degrees(Celsius) cooler
[03:53] <MrFeetio> which is alot
[03:54] <MrFeetio> does anyone know why this may have happened(im not complaining)
[03:55] <Jordan_U> MrFeetio, What kind of laptop is it?
[03:55] <MugginsM> there was some stuff in the newer kernels that is a lot more power efficient, maybe ubuntu enabled it?
[03:55] <MrFeetio> its a HP dv6000t
[03:55] <MrFeetio> core 2 duo
[03:56] <MrFeetio> it used to run at 39 degrees(a few months ago) then i noticed it started running at 50(i didnt change anything) so i upgraded to 7.10(tickless kernel, and i love bleeding edge)
[03:57] <MrFeetio> still 50, then 15 min a updated upgraded, restarted 39-49 again
[03:57] <MrFeetio> *15 min ago
[03:57] <MrFeetio> s/a/ago
[04:39] <conn> hi, has anyone tried compiz with exa on an intel graphics chipset? does it work for you?
[04:49] <arooni_> hey folks
[04:49] <arooni_> can someone take a look at http://pastie.caboo.se/78772
[04:49] <arooni_> i'm having trouble getting just the intel video driver from gutsy
[05:09] <shirish> ubotu mobile
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about mobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <shirish> ubotu embedded
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about embedded - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:09] <DanaG> !ubuntumobile
[05:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ubuntumobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <shirish> DanaG: any idea about the ubuntumobile distro./stuff . I just have the mail which says it gonna happen https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.htm nothing else
[05:10] <DanaG> !hildon
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hildon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:10] <DanaG> !hildon-desktop
[05:10] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about hildon-desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:11] <shirish> perhaps there is a spelling mistake or something, for I can't find aptitude show hildon :(
[05:12] <DanaG> Try to search, instead.
[05:13] <shirish> I tried just that, hildon-desktop is there as well as some libraries, but curiously no mention of any web-site although the mailing list is given.
[05:16] <shirish> DanaG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded any idea how to add this link to the factoid? I went to the factoids.cgi but couldn't find a way to add it.
[05:16] <Amaranth> shirish: it's more 'get hildon in the archive'
[05:16] <Amaranth> i don't think there is going to be a distro released from it
[05:17] <Amaranth> !mobile is <reply>Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:17] <Amaranth> !mobile is <reply> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:17] <Amaranth> stupid bot
[05:18] <shirish> Amaranth: I did see the mail so know its going to be an early release, I just wanted to know some stuff, btw did you just add it to the factoid like that?
[05:18] <Amaranth> !mobile > shirish
[05:18] <Amaranth> gah, wrong modifier
[05:18] <Amaranth> i just added it, yes
[05:18] <Amaranth> but you can't
[05:19] <shirish> I guess only ops or somebody like that can only add stuff
[05:19] <shirish> ubotu mobile
[05:19] <ubotu> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:19] <Amaranth> something like that
[05:19] <shirish> ah good :)
[05:19] <Amaranth> /msg ubotu %editors
[05:19] <Amaranth> doing it here will pretty much be the same as calling the ops
[05:20] <shirish> ok cool, I don't like to call anybody unless it really is necessary ;)
[05:20] <shirish> thanx all the same though :)
[05:21] <Amaranth> well, it just gives you an idea of who can add stuff
[05:22] <Amaranth> or you can attempt to add it and ubotu will tell us in #ubuntu-ops
[05:22] <shirish> that's cool :)
[05:22] <Amaranth> and we can review it and such
[05:22] <shirish> that's cool also :)
[05:30] <shirish> sorry for that abrupt going off, gnash decided that it didn't like a flash file & rebooted me in the session.
[05:30] <shirish> its proving to be much too much pain rather than any fun with it :(
[05:37] <mdurham> /leave
[05:39] <shirish> ubotu mobile
[05:39] <ubotu> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded
[05:42] <Perdente> to save my life, can a swap partition be part of an extension and still work?
[06:23] <DanaG> aah, it's so wonderful booting back into Gutsy after a long time in WinXP.
[06:23] <MugginsM> heh
[06:23] <DanaG> If I read text in XP for a long time, I end up with bloodshot eyes.
[06:23] <MugginsM> yeah, there's something up with Windows fonts
[06:23] <MugginsM> don't know what because they initially look ok, but they're not good
[06:23] <DanaG> If I do the same in Gutsy, I have no (or at least less severe) problems.
[06:24] <DanaG> It may be because Windows fails at DPI scaling.
[06:24] <MugginsM> I've noticed that
[06:24] <DanaG> It's "my way or the highway" -- where "my way" is Microsoft's way -- 96DPI.
[06:28] <DanaG> aaaaaah, soooooo much better.
[06:59] <Nergar> hello
[07:05] <Nergar> i did the "partial upgrade" and now my system is broken
[07:05] <Hobbsee> then...fix it?
[07:05] <Hobbsee> please see the /topic
[07:05] <Hobbsee> and file a bug, if one is not already filed
[07:15] <SeveredCross> Yes yes very cool but will it make me a midnight snack?
[07:15] <SeveredCross> Oops, wrong window. ^_^
[07:16] <Nergar> i know, but i need help with filing the bug, i don't know which package is broken
[07:16] <SeveredCross> Uh....
[07:16] <SeveredCross> What about your system is busted?
[07:16] <Hobbsee> does the upgrade output help you?
[08:27] <CharlesEdwardPax> Anyone know what's causing the PPC daily-live builds to not be updating? Every day the regular daily iso has updated packages, but the daily-live one does not.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: yeah.  they're screwed atm.
[08:33] <SeveredCross> I just finished a full kernel configuration.
[08:33] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: the livefs not building, is the actual answer
[08:34] <SeveredCross> Then realized I needed kernel-package...I installed it and for some reason it decided to remove linux-headers-blah-blah....And there went my .config
[08:34] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: and the livefs is not actually building, due to the dependancies not satisfiable
[08:34] <SeveredCross> I didn't even realize what happened until it finished.
[08:42] <CharlesEdwardPax> Hobbsee: Thanks for the answer. It's been bugging me for the last few days. Have you heard anything indicating when this might be fixed? Maybe for Tribe 3 on the 19th.
[08:42] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: monday, probably
[08:42] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: you didnt tell me which flavour
[08:42] <Hobbsee> CharlesEdwardPax: it'll be fixed before tribe 3, definetly
[08:42] <CharlesEdwardPax> Ubuntu on PPC
[08:43] <CharlesEdwardPax> Not Kubuntu or anything
[08:43] <Hobbsee> right, yeah
[08:44] <CharlesEdwardPax> Hobbsee: Thanks again. I'm off to sleep...
[11:08] <Infecto> hello
[11:08] <Infecto> can some one tell me why suspend to ram don`t work ? i use ati card and gutsy.
[11:09] <Infecto> Linux sraptok 2.6.22-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Jul 12 15:59:45 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux
[11:09] <Infecto> http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Feisty_Installation_Guide
[11:09] <Infecto> i do like it saids but :(
[11:33] <gnomefreak> Infecto: https://launchpad.net/bugs/125946
[11:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125946 in linux-source-2.6.22 "No suspend to disk with 2.6.22 on Thinkpad Z61m" [Undecided,New] 
[11:35] <Infecto> gnomefreak: i use suspend to ram
[11:35] <Infecto> not to disk
[12:43] <kingrayray> anybody got a helio ocean? hehe
[12:43] <kingrayray> need to figure out how to mount it as mass storage ^^
[12:56] <eagles0513875> !dpkg
[12:56] <ubotu> dpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.
[01:13] <ZeroX> i need help about customizing  & rebranding ubuntu
[01:20] <eagles0513875> ZeroX: u working on creating ur own distro
[01:38] <ZeroX> yep
 where r u
[01:39] <eagles0513875> here
[01:39] <eagles0513875> im going to lunch though
[01:39] <ZeroX> Ok
[01:40] <eagles0513875> we need to talk when i get back
[01:40] <eagles0513875> im looking to creat my own distro too
[01:40] <eagles0513875> brb
[01:40] <ZeroX> jusk one question dude
[02:01] <Hobbsee> oh yay, more subdistros...
[02:02] <ZeroX> yes why not
[02:02] <ZeroX> ya ya
[02:02] <Hobbsee> ZeroX: because if the ideas that you have are not on crack, then we probably want them in main ubuntut.
[02:02] <Hobbsee> *ubuntu
[02:02] <Hobbsee> oh dear, i cant spell tonight
[02:02] <ZeroX> Oops
[02:03] <Hobbsee> of course, if they're a complete spinoff, then go ahead
[02:04] <Hobbsee> but there's limited point in getting stuff implemented in a subdistribution, if it's also good for the main one
[02:04] <Hobbsee> imo
[02:04] <ZeroX>  without hesitations
[02:20] <shirish> does anybody know the source package that history is part of , I tried apt-cache search history (nothing) , apt-cache madison history (nothing), aptitude show history (nothing), does anybody have any other idea?
[02:20] <Hobbsee> shirish: i'd guess part of bash
[02:21] <shirish> Hobbsee: oh ok thanx
[02:23] <shirish> any idea how would I find in the history all the commands which I have started or had 'dpkg' as its starting , I know 'find' or 'grep' would be used somehow.
[02:23] <shirish> correcting  dpkg as its starting string
[02:25] <Hobbsee> shirish: history | grep dpkg
[02:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[02:26] <shirish> drats lol, never thought it would be that easy, always was thinking it would be something like history find 'dpkg - *' or something complicated like that lol
[02:29] <Hobbsee> hehe, nope
[02:30] <Hobbsee> although the file that the history is stored in is ~/.bash_history
[02:30] <Hobbsee> so you can also do grep dpkg ~/.bash_history
[02:34] <shirish> oh ok cool :)
[03:33] <soc> hi
[03:34] <soc> my kde 4 alpha 2 chrashes because it tries to find files in /usr/lib/kde4/usr/lib/kde4 ...
[03:34] <soc> someone knows a fix for that?
[03:34] <soc> i already tried the instructions on kubuntu.org
[03:34] <astinus> Fix? Use KDE 3.5.x ;)
[03:35] <soc> c'mon ...
[03:35] <soc> i tried kde4 because i hope i don't dislike it as much as kde3 ...
[03:35] <astinus> As the eminent Mr. Torvalds suggested, GNOME must be the way forward :)
[03:36] <Hobbsee> it's an alpha....
[03:37] <astinus> well that didn't take long
[04:07] <ShackJack> Hi - just wondering if any Gutsy/Compiz/XGL/fglrx users are experiencing general "wonkiness" lately...  XGL on notebook not starting up right lately, desktop panel locking up, wireless stack issues... Just curious...
[04:07] <ShackJack> Gutsy/Nvidia/Compiz setup on 5-year old desktop is flawless ;)
[04:33] <ccoffey> would the patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/106887 be implemented in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/admin/grub ?
[04:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106887 in grub ""ALERT! does not exist" at boot with ICH7" [Medium,Fix released] 
[04:34] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: msot likely
[04:35] <ccoffey> I'm not sure how to read diff's, but it says "+grub (0.97-20ubuntu7) gutsy; urgency=low" so is that line changed to 0.97-20ubuntu7, or has that to be changed?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: yes it has been applied
[04:36] <Hobbsee> huh?
[04:36] <Hobbsee> you dont need to apply that in gutsy
[04:36] <Hobbsee> unless someones' pulled the patch, for some unkonwn reason
[04:36] <ccoffey> Hobbsee: ok, thanks. I'm not too up on diffs and so on
[04:37] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/106887/comments/51
[04:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 106887 in grub ""ALERT! does not exist" at boot with ICH7" [Medium,Fix released] 
[04:39] <ccoffey> Hobbsee: ok, makes sense now, I'm not quite down with the lingo, but I know now :)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> :)
[04:39] <Hobbsee> ccoffey: no problem
[04:40] <eagles0513875> i dont know whether anyone can help me but i just upgraded to kde 3.5.7 and for some reason when i listen to any of my music (which is in flac format) in amarok throughout all the audio it cuts out intermittently
[04:46] <SeveredCross> Dumdedum
[04:46] <SeveredCross> People say you shouldn't use Alpha software.
[04:46] <SeveredCross> Gutsy is stable as all hell.
[04:46] <SeveredCross> Though one thing is bugging me--is there a bug where Gutsy doesn't lock X sessions when you close the screen on a laptop or did I miss a setting.
[04:46] <eagles0513875> agreed found a few bugs and im having one with amarok and kde 3.5.7 and i found a nasty one after a dist-upgrade
[04:46] <eagles0513875> missed a setting
[04:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[04:47] <SeveredCross> The only bugs I've ran into were the apt and libcurl* issues.
[04:47] <eagles0513875> open up power manager
[04:47] <SeveredCross> Well, the setting was all set up in Feisty heh.
[04:47] <ilikec0ws> My gutsy attempt didnt like me ^^
[04:47] <eagles0513875> what was ur apt issue
[04:47] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: amarok != kde4
[04:47] <SeveredCross> Couldn't satisfy a libapt-inst dependency for a long time.
[04:47] <ilikec0ws> Lots of problems booting up, yet when I ran feisty ages ago i never had a problem
[04:47] <eagles0513875> i had a nasty one with apport when i did a dist upgrade after adept notifier would crash and spawn alot of apport processes until i had no more swap space and my comp was bogged down like crazy
[04:48] <SeveredCross> Er, no option in power manager eagles0513875.
[04:48] <ilikec0ws> ie. Unconsistent booting from the livecd, then installer failed to create an ext3  partition in my HDD
[04:48] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[04:48] <eagles0513875> SeveredCross: on the bottom
[04:48] <SeveredCross> I had no issues, but then I dist-upgraded from Feisty.
[04:48] <eagles0513875> it says when laptop lid is closed what do u want it to do
[04:48] <SeveredCross> .
[04:48] <SeveredCross> Lock The Screen is not there.
[04:48] <eagles0513875> for me it is
[04:49] <eagles0513875> wait
[04:49] <SeveredCross> KDE has it I think, GNOME doesn't
[04:49] <SeveredCross> GNOME automatically locks.
[04:49] <eagles0513875> r u on ubuntu or kubuntu
[04:49] <eagles0513875> im on kde and i just set it to lock
[04:49] <SeveredCross> GNOME usually does it without me having to tell it to, except not in Gutsy.
[04:50] <SeveredCross> I think I may have seen that as a reported bug.
[04:50] <SeveredCross> But I'm not 100%.
[04:50] <eagles0513875> severed lol that will get worked out before release
[04:50] <eagles0513875> im running the x64 version of it and i love it
[04:50] <eagles0513875> best 64bit os out there
[04:51] <SeveredCross> I know it'll get worked out, it's just a mite annoying--I've gotten used to locking the workstation by hand and just hitting Ctrl-Alt-L
[04:55] <eagles0513875> how do a move a folder from one place into another folder
[04:55] <eagles0513875> i cant just drag and drop it cuz i need root privs
[04:55] <SeveredCross> kdesu konqueror?
[04:56] <SeveredCross> I know that's a bit of bad form for some reason or another that I can't remember right now but it seems like a good idea.
[04:56] <SeveredCross> Either that or sudo mv should do too
[04:56] <Hobbsee> SeveredCross: no, that's correct usage
[04:56] <SeveredCross> Is it? I must be mixed up.
[04:56] <SeveredCross> Very possible..
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !sudo
[04:57] <ubotu> sudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.
[04:57] <Hobbsee> !kdesu
[04:57] <ubotu> In KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo
[04:58] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: i knwo that already i just need to move a folder that i cant just drag and drop
[04:58] <Hobbsee> eagles0513875: use kdesu konqueror
[05:01] <SeveredCross> jOh, righttt.
[05:04] <SeveredCross> Woot!
[05:04] <SeveredCross> The new "blank screen when idle" is cool.
[05:04] <SeveredCross> And very smooth.
[05:09] <Disablez> Anyone has probs purging old linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22.x?
[05:16] <SeveredCross> Does anyone happen to know if the problem with vesa not being able to start X on an ATI card without fglrx has been fixed?
[05:21] <ilikec0ws> Anyone know where ubuntu keeps its equivalent to /etc/rc.conf?
[05:22] <crimsun> ilikec0ws: there is none.
[05:22] <crimsun> (upstart currently provides sysvinit compatibility)
[05:22] <ilikec0ws> crimsun, upstart?
[05:23] <crimsun> upstart handles the scripts in the traditional sysvinit boot sequence
[05:24] <ilikec0ws> If I have removed something from my run levels like GDM, how would I go about adding it back?
[05:24] <crimsun> use update-rc.d
[05:25] <crimsun> see gdm's postinst file
[05:25] <crimsun> /var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst:101:  update-rc.d gdm defaults 13 01 >/dev/null 2>&1
[05:26] <ilikec0ws> Which would i run in terminal
[05:26] <ilikec0ws> ?
[05:26] <crimsun> the update-rc.d command
[05:26] <crimsun> see everything that follows the colon
[05:26] <crimsun> the second colon, that is.
[05:57] <lontra> is the orinoco_cs module not included in the tribe+2 cd?  i can't seem to modprobe it and it's a very common module.  i use it with my orinoco card and i've never had a distro not support it
[05:58] <SeveredCross> Meh, having trouble publishing my gpg key.
[06:10] <mendred> hi just updated to gutsy... feels more responsive...i am trying to run compiz fusion, when i run kde-window-decorator i am getting a thick border around stuff like panels, menus etc..any idea how to remove this?
[06:23] <comzip99> connect #ubuntu
[07:21] <Karti> Hi all, just trying to install 7.10 32 bit onto a 64 bit PC....having no luck, is this to be expected?
[07:22] <SeveredCross> Well.
[07:22] <SeveredCross> In some ways, yes, Gutsy is still Tribe 2, which is alpha.
[07:23] <SeveredCross> But, 32bit onto 64bit should have no issues--there's no pure 64-bit processor in existence, all of them should run 32-bit no problem.
[07:23] <SeveredCross> What's the problem you're having
[07:24] <Karti> I just keep getting errors and it suggests that I try it with noapic but the same error. I thought it was my hard drive but as its a live disk it should still boot
[07:24] <SeveredCross> What boot errors?
[07:24] <SeveredCross> Be more specific. :)
[07:24] <Karti> SeveredCross: brb, just switching pcs
[07:25] <SeveredCross> Okay.
[07:28] <Karti> SeveredCross: My error is ; MP-BIOS bug 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8254 in slang "countrychooser: db_go fails when choosing Arabic as language (dup-of: 8253)" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8254
[07:28] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 8253 in slang "crash displaying main menu in arabic" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/8253
[07:28] <Karti> followed by Kernal panic - not syncing:IO-APIC + timer doesn't work!
[07:30] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:31] <SeveredCross> Yeah, sounds like you need noapic...Do you still get the same error with noapic?
[07:31] <SeveredCross> Err, you already answered that, you do.
[07:31] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[07:31] <Karti> It lets me go further, but after a few minutes of what looks like a good load, it goes to pages of errors with no access
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Try noapic nolapic
[07:32] <Karti> I got the same result
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Weird.
[07:32] <Karti> I just added it to the end of the boot list,
[07:32] <SeveredCross> Sounds like the kernel really hates your PC.
[07:32] <SeveredCross> What kind of setup do you have?
[07:36] <Karti> SeveredCross: I have an ASUS M2N4-SLI motherboard with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+, I managed to get Fedora 6 running on it, but that was just to play with, my main PC is Kubuntu
[07:36] <Karti> so I wanted to try out the latest version on my test one
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Hmmm.
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Interesting.
[07:37] <SeveredCross> Did you try the 64-bit version?
[07:38] <Karti> Downloading it as we speak
[07:38] <Karti> The only issues I have with that is the lck of drivers and I don't have the skills yet to amend them
[07:38] <Karti> lack of drivers rather
[07:38] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:38] <SeveredCross> Yeah.
[07:39] <SeveredCross> What drivers do you need that aren't available?
[07:39] <Karti> Wifes not forgiven me for updating her to win xp 64 bit lol
[07:40] <SeveredCross> LOL, yeah, 64bit drivers for XP are far and few between.
[07:41] <Karti> I used to use VMWare on Windows which used a wireless connection but I could fool it into using it as an ethernet, as I have not got the hang of using wireless on linux yet, so my first trial into Kubuntu picked up my usb wireless straight away which pleased me no end
[07:41] <Karti> but wireless is my main issue
[07:42] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[07:42] <SeveredCross> Wireless is much improved since 6.06.
[07:43] <SeveredCross> The biggest improvement was the jump from Edgy to Feisty, with the new NetworkManager.
[07:43] <Karti> to be honest once I got the hang of the manager it was easy
[07:43] <SeveredCross> Yeah, NetworkManager is great.
[07:43] <Karti> and a main reason I moved from windows to ubuntu
[07:44] <SeveredCross> I switched because I got sick of Windows.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> It always bogs down after a few months no matter how clean you keep your system.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> Because it accumulates cruft that you can't clean out lest you risk breaking installers and stuff.
[07:44] <SeveredCross> I had accumulated almost 5 GB of installer files in Windows--but I can't delete them, otherwise the bloody uninstallers fail.
[07:45] <SeveredCross> Whereas apt and dpkg just know exactly what every piece of software installs and how to remove it.
[07:45] <Karti> I have dipped into linux for a while and the support on the irc channels swung me, some of them can quite overwhealming
[07:45] <SeveredCross> Yeah, #ubuntu can be a beast to follow.
[07:47] <Karti> I can only do it on my PCs though as the wife refuses to change......ah well
[07:48] <SeveredCross> Why's she refuse?
[07:48] <Karti> Microsoft Chick...
[07:48] <SeveredCross> Argh. :-P
[07:49] <Karti> I actual;ly get the MS Action Pack that I use for work and the like so she has all the software available, so is unlikely to change
[07:49] <SeveredCross> Ah, okay.
[07:49] <Karti> though as I said she hates me for moxing to the 64 bit xp as her phone, webcam and ITUNES dont work that well
[07:50] <SeveredCross> Yeah, iTunes is busted.
[07:50] <SeveredCross> Dumdedum..
[07:50] <Karti> All the music she buys I can't even burn as it doesnt recognise her cdrom......had to install it on another pc just to get the stuff off!
[07:51] <SeveredCross> It doesn't recognize the CD drive? WTH??
[07:52] <Karti> YEAH THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES oops with it
[07:52] <Karti> if I could be bothered I would change it.....
[07:55] <Karti> SeveredCross: Many thanks for the help, I will try the 64 bit to see if it makes a difference after tea. I will mention it if I am sucessful....cheers
[07:58] <gnomefreak> guys for non gutsy topics please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic
[08:34] <XVampireX> Hi
[08:34] <XVampireX> Can anyone please help me? xorg says that nvidia.ko doesn't exist when I do startx ...
[08:34] <ccoffey> is there much work going on with dmraid and initramfs, or was most if resolved for feisty?
[08:35] <XVampireX> and I have linux-restricted-modules for the correct kernel and I have nvidia-kernel-common but I don't see one for the kernel I'm using (Or I'm just not aware of the one)
[08:36] <XVampireX> Please?
[08:36] <XVampireX> Or do I really need to just use feisty, cause even with feisty.... the nvidia-glx-new package is broken (lacking libwfb)
[08:38] <XVampireX> And I thought the new xorg was supposed to fix this problem, too...
[08:38] <XVampireX> No one is available here to help me?
[08:41] <XVampireX> ????????????????????????????????????
[08:41] <XVampireX> !help
[08:41] <ubotu> I am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots
[08:42] <XVampireX> !nvidia
[08:42] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[08:42] <XVampireX> meh, brb
[08:46] <XVampireX> cannot open /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko
[08:48] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: you ever install the drivers from nvidia.com?
[08:48] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: i see that happens alot when the user doesnt get rid of all traces of the upstream drivers
[08:49] <XVampireX> Yes I did
[08:49] <XVampireX> what do I do then?
[08:50] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: use the nvidia script that you use to install it and uninstall it (there should be a flag to pass for that
[08:50] <XVampireX> Yeah but envy doesn't want to help me with gutsy
[08:51] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: envy == bad
[08:51] <XVampireX> I know
[08:51] <XVampireX> so what do I do then? :P
[08:51] <gnomefreak> if you used envy to install it good luck. iirc there is no uninstall options with envy
[08:51] <XVampireX> There is
[08:51] <gnomefreak> uninstall the drivers and l-r-m that it builds
[08:51] <XVampireX> just that it doesn't work on gutsy anymore
[08:51] <XVampireX> l-r-m?
[08:52] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: all it does it removes envy not ht econfig
[08:52] <gnomefreak> l-r-m linux-restricted-modules
[08:52] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: upstream package makes its own l-r-m and that is where you are running into issues
[08:53] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: nvidia.....run or sh script can uninstall everything that the script installs but envy cant (makes it worse than the upstream drivers)
[08:54] <XVampireX> I removed all linux-restricted-modules
[08:55] <XVampireX> should I remove all nvidia stuff from those places too, manually?
[08:58] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:/usr/lib$ locate 100.14.12
[08:58] <XVampireX> /var/cache/modass/_usr_src_nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic_100.14.12+2.6.20-16.29_i386.deb.txt
[08:58] <XVampireX> /var/cache/modass/_usr_src_nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic_100.14.12+2.6.22-8.18_i386.deb.txt
[08:58] <XVampireX> /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic_100.14.12+2.6.20-16.29_i386.deb
[08:58] <XVampireX> /usr/src/nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic_100.14.12+2.6.22-8.18_i386.deb
[08:59] <XVampireX> See, that's all I have of the version I installed
[08:59] <gnomefreak> get rid of it all and start over and hope all is ok
[08:59] <gnomefreak> you can leave the nvidia-kernel i think
[09:00] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: there is more you didnt find iirc
[09:00] <XVampireX> such as?
[09:01] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: with envy its hard to tell.
[09:01] <XVampireX> I looked in directories too
[09:01] <gnomefreak> if you just used the nvidia script i could look for it but i dont know exactly what envy does when it installs it other than builds the restricted-modules for your running kenrel
[09:02] <XVampireX> what nvidia script?
[09:02] <gnomefreak> than try removing those
[09:02] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: envy uses the script you get from nvidia.com to install the packages
[09:02] <gnomefreak> s/packages/drivers
[09:03] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: but envy's config is not the same (how it builds than im not sure) why they didnt make a remove restricted-modules flag is beyond me
[09:03] <XVampireX> They... hehe :P
[09:04] <XVampireX> He's supposed to be here somewhere actually
[09:09] <XVampireX> runtime Qt4.3 stuff is also buggy, the systray icon has some problems...
[09:13] <XVampireX> gnomefreak: Package nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic has no available version, but exists in the database
[09:17] <XVampireX> By the way, m-a ignores nvidia-new-kernel-source ....
[09:18] <gnomefreak> m-a?
[09:18] <XVampireX> module assistant
[09:21] <XVampireX> So what do I do now?
[09:21] <XVampireX> that linux-kernel thing doesn't want to install for some reason
[09:21] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: you should beable to remove everything nvidia related and install nvidia-glx(-new)(legacy) and make sure if restricted-manager gets removed install it again
[09:21] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: it wont install because its already there just not the one from ubuntu
[09:21] <XVampireX> ah okye
[09:21] <XVampireX> okey^
[09:22] <XVampireX> So what's the ubuntu version?
[09:23] <gnomefreak> dpkg -l nvidia should list everything, and have at it but normally its a pain to get rid of the n-r-m package thats why nvidia added an --uninstall flag
[09:23] <XVampireX> serge@serge-desktop:~$ dpkg -l nvidia
[09:23] <XVampireX> No packages found matching nvidia.
[09:24] <gnomefreak> nvidia-kernel-common maybe?
[09:24] <XVampireX> I saw that it's a very old version...
[09:24] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: damn thats because its not installed as a package
[09:24] <gnomefreak> maybe find or locate |less
[09:25] <XVampireX> /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic.postrm
[09:25] <XVampireX> /var/lib/dpkg/info/nvidia-kernel-2.6.20-16-generic.list
[09:25] <XVampireX> I installed it...
[09:25] <XVampireX> I mean I installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-8-generic
[09:26] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: and you are getting that error?
[09:26] <XVampireX> yes
[09:26] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: try removing --purgeing it
[09:26] <XVampireX> I tried it several times...
[09:27] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: due you have envy source?
[09:27] <XVampireX> Not really
[09:27] <gnomefreak> do they give you source freely?
[09:28] <XVampireX> who's they?
[09:28] <XVampireX> I know this guy made it: http://albertomilone.com
[09:28] <gnomefreak> the envy people
[09:28] <gnomefreak> hmmm i think i know him atleeast that name brb
[09:28] <XVampireX> only one
[09:30] <XVampireX> hmm, brb, myself
[09:30] <gnomefreak> NOTE: Envy does NOT REMOVE your RESTRICTED MODULES ANY MORE.
[09:30] <gnomefreak> thats bad
[09:31] <crdlb> err I thought it did the DISABLED_MODULES="nv" thing
[09:31] <gnomefreak> i havent found source yet
[09:33] <crdlb> gnomefreak, as in source code?
[09:33] <crdlb> it's python iirc
[09:33] <gnomefreak> yes
[09:33] <gnomefreak> might not have to
[09:33] <gnomefreak> i found it but may not need to look at it :)
[09:35] <gnomefreak> https://bugs.launchpad.net/envy/+bug/119568
[09:35] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119568 in envy "envy collides with nvidia-new-kernel-source " [Undecided,New] 
[09:35] <XVampireX> I got it to work :P
[09:35] <gnomefreak> XVampireX: theres a bug on the exact issue
[09:36] <gnomefreak> please comment on bug on how you got it to work ill ping him monday if i still have a pc up and running and ask him to find a way to flag --uninstall back to it
[09:37] <XVampireX> Just freaked out and it worked, really... :) Nah, Well, I don't really know how I got it to work but I did reinstall nvidia stuff several times
[09:38] <gnomefreak> ok out for a while still packaing
[09:38] <gnomefreak> packing
[09:44] <nysosym> hi there
[09:44] <nysosym> has anyone tested one of the last gutsy dailies on a macbook ?
[09:56] <XVampireX> http://img526.imageshack.us/img526/7713/qt44bughr4.png
[09:56] <XVampireX> notice the star (It's psi) I compiled with Qt4.3 in gutsy
[09:58] <burner_> anyone else super super thankful for evolution email that kicks major arse as of 2.11.5 :)
[09:58] <burner_> it is sooooooo much faster when used with exchange servers now
[10:05] <Karti> SeveredCross: Just to get back to you, the 64 bit AMD iso worked perfectly!
[10:06] <Karti> SeveredCross: and it picked up my wireless perfectly
[10:12] <sn0> nice Karti :)
[10:12] <DanaG> Is anybody else here using compiz (-fusion) ?
[10:13] <DanaG> I've found the official version to be very slow, for some reason.
[10:13] <thully> I want to run gutsy on my machine (actually, already am) but want to take a few precautions to make it easier to recover from breakage...  What would be suggested?  I thought of using LVM snapshots, but I'm unsure how to get started with that...
[10:15] <sn0> thully virtual machine? its not quite the same as a physical install, but its one option
[10:15] <mon^rch> is gutsy using compiz fusion yet?
[10:15] <sn0> if its for testing, then you could just keep the /home partition on another physical partition than / and do backups regularly
[10:16] <sn0> did you read that snapshots_backup link ? :)
[10:16] <thully> sn0: I'd prefer testing on the bare metal - there's some hardware-specific issues I'd like to work on - and I'd like to use Compiz Fusion...
[10:16] <sn0> thully indeed :)
[10:19] <thully> It's for testing, but I'd probably use it 80% of the time or so... I may actually want to help fix some of these bugs and maybe even do MOTU down the road...
[10:20] <thully> yes - I did - I'd just prefer not to have to make the actual backup and just use the snapshots as-is (make one, and revert to it with a few commands)
[10:20] <sn0> thully have you heard of 'unionfs' before?
[10:20] <thully> that's what is used on the live CD...
[10:20] <sn0> yep, its another option you could use
[10:21] <sn0> personally i just back up the list of installed packages with dpkg and my configs, everything else backed up on another partition
[10:21] <sn0> haven't really tried snapshots yet
[10:21] <sn0> lvm does sound like the thing you require :)
[10:22] <thully> I just have to figure out how to use it - I know you can create a snapshot and boot it, but not how to directly revert the main partition to the snapshot
[10:23] <sn0> howtoforge have a 'guide' on setting it up and so on
[10:23] <thully> I will search - I'm actually messing around with LVM to find the right way of doing this...
[10:23] <sn0> includes how to restore from a backup (from lvm beginner guide), it does mention debian but it could be used for gutsy too
[10:23] <sn0> http://www.howtoforge.com/linux_lvm_snapshots
[10:24] <thully> I even thought of doing a chroot from feisty, but gutsy supports my hardware (a MacBook) much better than Feisty
[10:25] <thully> works better than Windows (even with Apple's Boot Camp drivers) and second only to Mac OS X
[10:28] <akos> s there a way to do something like this: copy the installation ISO to an empty hdd partition, boot from it and install? i'd do the usb-install, but i don't have enought space on it to copy the whole cd, and i don't have internet during install due to the fact that i need the atl1 drivers...
[10:28] <DanaG> One big reason for me using Linux more than Windows:
[10:28] <akos> DanaG, 10x more responsive?
[10:29] <DanaG> The font rendering in Windows makes my eyes become bloodshot after a short time.
[10:29] <akos> Is there a way to do something like this: copy the installation ISO to an empty hdd partition, boot from it and install? i'd do the usb-install, but i don't have enought space on it to copy the whole cd, and i don't have internet during install due to the fact that i need the atl1 drivers...
[10:29] <DanaG> In Linux, it takes a reeeeeeeeeeally long time for that to happen -- in other words, the font rendering is much better.
[10:29] <DanaG> akos: The alternate CD may let you use the ISO as the "Detect and mount CD"
[10:30] <DanaG> but I don't remember how.
[10:30] <akos> DanaG, huh?
[10:30] <akos> oh.. :|
[10:31] <sn0> akos yes
[10:31] <sn0> search the ubuntu wiki/forums for hd install
[10:31] <akos> ok
[10:34] <akos> sn0, i cant find it... i tried searching hd install and ubuntu hdd install, but nothing relevant
[10:36] <sn0> akos something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies (uses floppies to start)
[10:49] <XVampireX> my other 3 cpu's disappeared :P
[10:52] <DanaG> Eeek, I found an instantly reproducible X crash:
[10:52] <DanaG> Have caca-utils installed, and run CACA_DRIVER=gl cacafire -- and watch X die   At least with NVIDIA, that is.
[11:04] <vinny> so, anyone else had their system rendered basicly usless from the latest update
[11:05] <vinny> no sound, oss alsa, both broken. window manager is b
[11:05] <vinny> borked, have to use metacity
[11:06] <vinny> something in there is wrong anyway :)
[11:06] <vinny> wireless network still works tho!
[11:06] <vinny> heheheh
[11:09] <xarus> did any of you experience some strange problems with compiz-fusion since last dist-upgrade @ gutsy?
[11:09] <xarus> segmentation faults ?
[11:09] <xarus> unable to start? [driver: nvidia-glx] 
[11:10] <xarus> beryl works fine
[11:19] <vinny> compiz fusion is completely butchered for me
[11:19] <vinny> as is sound
[11:20] <vinny> trying to fix it all now
[11:20] <xarus> ;)
[11:22] <vinny> xarus you t
[11:22] <vinny> rying to
[11:22] <vinny> use emerald with compiz fusion
[11:22] <xarus> yes
[11:22] <vinny> sorry it appears my keymap has been buggered up too
[11:22] <xarus> and it worked till yesterday
[11:22] <vinny> :$
[11:23] <vinny> i was jsut installing jack audio routing
[11:23] <vinny> and i triggered an update
[11:23] <vinny> and let it run
[11:23] <vinny> and poof
[11:23] <vinny> byebye audio, byebye emerald
[11:23] <vinny> :(
[11:23] <xarus> gutsy - deveoper's release
[11:23] <vinny> new kermelversion is prolly part of the issue
[11:23] <vinny> i think i saw a kernelupgrade in there
[11:23] <xarus> you should've been expecting that
[11:24] <vinny> well yes but theres hardly any point in having a discussion chanel if someones going to say that everytime anyone encounters a problem
[11:25] <DanaG> A bunch of my panel applets have broken, somehow.
[11:25] <vinny> i mean hey, look at me, im in ubuntuplus1 "oh well its a dev release, of coiurse its broken"
[11:25] <vinny> ....
[11:25] <xarus> yeah, you have a point here
[11:25] <DanaG> They work, until when I have to kill X for various reasons.
[11:25] <thully> does anyone know how to get the Cube working on Compiz Fusion in Gutsy?
[11:26] <vinny> yes
[11:26] <vinny> ill tell you<DanaG> They work, until when I have to kill X for various reasons.
[11:26] <xarus> thully: enable 'cube' plugin?
[11:26] <vinny>  when i figure out how to get compiz-fusion working again
[11:26] <xarus> and when you figure out that please share with me.
[11:26] <xarus>  ] ;->
[11:26] <vinny> ok looks like fuision basic works
[11:26] <vinny> without emerald
[11:26] <thully> how do you do that?  it's not enabled by default...
[11:26] <DanaG> I've just reverted to the 3v1n0 feisty repo, but I have to forbid newer official versions.
[11:27] <xarus> vinny: let's try it
[11:27] <xarus> /usr/bin/compiz: line 252:  6666 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/compiz.real $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS
[11:27] <vinny> hmm
[11:28] <vinny> dana
[11:28] <vinny> you/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Plugin 'cube' can't be activated because plugin 'plane' is already providing feature 'largedesktop'
[11:28] <vinny> Initializing scale options...done
[11:28] <vinny> Initializing switcher options...done
[11:28] <vinny> Active Plugin List update
[11:29] <vinny>  running latest
[11:29] <vinny> ?
[11:29] <vinny> damm my keymap
[11:29] <vinny> sorry
[11:30] <vinny> wb
[11:30] <xarus> re
[11:30] <vinny> im tempted to
[11:31] <vinny> try tervinos feisty
[11:31] <xarus> what's that?
[11:31] <vinny> but i suspect some plugins wont work
[11:31] <crdlb> that's a bad idea
[11:31] <vinny> yeah.
[11:31] <vinny> i know :)
[11:31] <vinny> lol
[11:31] <crdlb> vinny, uncheck plane?
[11:31] <crdlb> in ccsm
[11:32] <vinny> lol i dont have ccsm any more
[11:33] <vinny> *trying gnome-compiz-manager
[11:34] <vinny> *crash
[11:34] <vinny> i think ill just go away and play and come back when i have figured it o<xarus> what's that?
[11:34] <vinny> ut
[11:34] <xarus> gn8
[11:50] <vinny> ok so im sick of things breaking all the time
[11:50] <vinny> if i change my apt-sources to feisty and dist-upgreade
[11:50] <vinny> will it revert me to feisty?
[11:52] <thully> you don't want to do it - downgrades aren't a supported feature...  There isn't a "dist-downgrade" command, and trying to do it manually will result in more breakage than gutsy had in the first place
[11:56] <thully> I've been going back and forth myself - I need some gutsy features for my MacBook (suspend-to-RAM and better power management, among others)
[11:56] <vinny> yeah
[11:56] <vinny> i to am on a macbook
[11:58] <thully> I've tried running in a virtual machine (actually VMware Fusion on OS X), but then you don't get the 3D-ness...
[11:58] <vinny> so
[11:58] <vinny> noob question here
[11:58] <vinny> i chacn
[11:59] <vinny> changed my apt-sources to feisty, but a dist-upgrade does nothing
[11:59] <vinny> i want to downgrade from gutsy
[11:59] <vinny> what am i doing wrong?
[11:59] <vinny> i did a apt-get -f update
[11:59] <thully> that's because you can't downgrade with apt - the only way is back up, format, restore
[11:59] <vinny> oh
[11:59] <vinny> :(
[12:00] <vinny> *goes to download feisty iso
[12:00] <vinny> linux is tempermental enough without with apt - the only way is back
[12:00] <vinny>           up, format, restore
[12:00] <vinny> wtf
[12:00] <vinny> i dont understand why it keeps doing that
[12:02] <arpu> hi @all
[12:03] <arpu>  i have aproblem with gutsy and wlan on my new macbook
[12:03] <arpu> how can i install wlan ?
[12:03] <thully> OK - you probably need the latest svn release of madwifi
[12:04] <arpu> thully : ok the included driver do not   work ?
[12:04] <thully> yes - it's too old...
[12:05] <thully> I think even on Gutsy, as I don't know if they're pulling the SVN or the release
[12:05] <thully> I dunno myself, because I have an older MacBook that works out of the box (it only has the chipset with b/g, and not n)
[12:06] <thully> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MacBook
[12:08] <arpu> thx thully i give it a try
[12:18] <arpu> thully, thx with svn madwifi all works fine
[12:18] <arpu> bye
[12:32] <Vorbote> /who buckaroobanzai
[12:32] <Vorbote> /w