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calcraf256: alsa doesn't suck, its lack of drivers generally12:35
crimsunpeople love blaming stuff they don't understand.12:36
Priceypeople love blaming devs over stuff they don't understand12:37
cps1966crimsun:  well jump in and fix this then12:37
crimsuncps1966: well, give me more details.12:37
cps1966i know its not skype because it work with same kernel in mandriva12:38
crimsunyou might also note that I've led ALSA maintenance in Ubuntu for the past 2 years.12:38
phr0stbytecps1966: Did you loose your sound after updates?12:38
cps1966no i have sound its just the mic output is null12:38
phr0stbytecps1966: Check the mic with alsamixer?12:39
cps1966its all the way up and with boost on full12:39
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SeveredCrossWoot woot.12:39
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crimsun"If you are filing a bug report pertaining to ALSA, please read http://www.linux-sound.info/alsa/index.php?task=support, and attach output (a URL) from the paste generated by the alsa-info.sh script linked from that page."12:40
crimsunright on my LP page.12:40
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cps1966crimsun:  that url isn't working12:41
PeakerGutsy is pronounced the way it is written?12:41
SeveredCrossI would believe so, yes.12:41
crimsuncps1966: then use the output from ``lspci -nv && tail -2 /proc/asound/oss/sndstat''12:42
phr0stbyteI would shy away from updating to kernel 2.6.22-8 - at least if you are running an nvidia card12:42
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)12:43
SeveredCrossATI works fine. :)12:44
SeveredCrossFor once.12:44
cps1966crimsun:  here http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29869/12:44
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SeveredCrossI just wish the ATI driver supported compositing OOTB.12:44
SeveredCrossI hear AMD is commited to making it open-source though.12:45
SeveredCrossErr, committed.12:45
phr0stbyteSeveredCross: I had to remove the kernel entry out of grub to even boot up into graphical mode12:45
crimsuncps1966: now, ``cat /proc/asound/cards /proc/interrupts && amixer -c2''12:45
cps1966err they should have committed themselves to nuthouse12:45
phr0stbyteSeveredCross: Have you seen their new card? the PowerColor Radeon HD 2900 XT12:49
SeveredCrossNope, haven't..12:49
phr0stbyteLooks like it sucks some crazy power12:49
SeveredCrossI've been out of the loop for a few days, haven't checked Liferea to see what's new in the world of tech.12:49
SeveredCrossI'm probably gonna have a thousand bloody unread articles.12:49
crimsuncps1966: still awaiting the URL.12:50
phr0stbyteSeveredCross: core clock speed = 743MHz12:50
cps1966crimsun:  http://pastebin.ca/61838012:51
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crimsuncps1966: so where's the output from amixer -c2 in that paste?12:52
cps1966crimsun:  where is it hiding12:54
crimsunyou didn't paste it.  I have no idea.12:54
cps19660 [ICH5           ] : ICH4 - Intel ICH512:55
crimsunno, amixer -c212:55
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crimsunnot cat /proc/asound/cards12:55
cps1966thats what i got12:56
crimsunamixer does not output that.12:56
cps1966no output at all12:57
cps1966just returns prompt12:57
crimsun`amixer -c2;echo $?` returns nothing?12:57
crimsundifferent output.12:58
crimsunyou need amixer -c012:59
SeveredCross743 Mhz!12:59
SeveredCrossJesus christ!12:59
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cps1966crimsun:  http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29870/01:01
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crimsunSimple mixer control 'Capture',001:02
crimsun  Capabilities: cvolume cswitch01:02
crimsun  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right01:02
crimsun  Limits: Capture 0 - 1501:02
crimsun  Front Left: Capture 0 [0%]  [0.00dB]  [on] 01:02
crimsun  Front Right: Capture 0 [0%]  [0.00dB]  [on] 01:02
crimsunsee how Capture is zeroed?01:02
cps1966yeah so how do i change it01:03
socdoes somebody plan to sync avivo with upstream?01:03
crimsuncps1966: use the mixer applet.01:03
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crimsuncps1966: or alsamixer or amixer or aumix or ...01:04
soc0.1.0 should be out shortly,, suppoting 68 r500 gpus ...01:04
cps1966alsamixer says its set at 97%01:05
crimsunit's not.01:05
socare there plans to update avivo, so testers can get their hands on it?01:05
crimsunit's very, very clearly 0%01:05
crimsuncps1966: note: I'm talking about CAPTURE, not MIC.01:06
crimsunvery, very different.01:06
crimsunon most AC'97 hardware, you need both Capture and Mic unmuted and non-zero01:06
cps1966doesn't show capture01:07
crimsunso add it.01:07
crimsunOpen Volume Control> Edit> Preferences01:07
cps1966i'm using kde01:08
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socdoes aynone know something about the avivo driver?01:08
crimsunso use KMix.01:08
cps1966ok capture is set at 3001:09
cps1966top level01:09
crimsunnow capture something via arecord01:09
crimsunare you using Mic1 or Mic2 physically?01:12
crimsun(sometimes "front mic jack" or "rear mic jack")01:12
cps1966theres only one input01:12
crimsunso switch the control to Mic201:13
cps1966still nada01:14
crimsunplay with your Surround elements.01:17
crimsunthis includes downmixing and # channel selections01:17
cps1966hmm nothing01:20
crimsunthere are a _lot_ of combinations.01:20
crimsunread the ALSA wiki under Capture/Recording01:21
cps1966 Capture exclusive group: 001:22
cps1966  Playback channels: Mono01:22
cps1966  Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right01:22
cps1966  Limits: Playback 0 - 3101:22
cps1966  Mono: Playback 30 [97%]  [10.50dB]  [on] 01:22
cps1966  Front Left: Capture [on] 01:22
cps1966  Front Right: Capture [on] 01:22
crimsunyou have additional codec quirks; the wiki mentions them.01:23
crimsunI'm away for the evening.01:23
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martosshi folks02:14
martossi am trying to get a virtualized opensuse or redhat running.02:14
martossi need gutsy and the 2.6.22 kernel, due to santa rosa.02:14
martossany chances to get vmware, xen or whatever running?02:14
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socdoes someone know when a new version of the avivo driver will get into gutsy?02:20
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justdaveI'm running gutsy, and I just installed the openvpn plugin for NetworkManager, and the Configure VPN... option shows up in the network manager menu, but when I pick it, nothing happens.  Anyone know where to start troubleshooting?02:27
justdavefound a thread on the same symptoms in the forums, but it's from Jan 2005, and whatever the issue was there was supposedly solved a long time ago.02:28
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r00tintheb0xHey guys, is there any way to switch a Fedora server to an Ubuntu server remotely? Should I just SCP all the directories over and reinstall grub?03:09
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CharlesEdwardPaxThe gutsy daily-live iso image has not been updated in quite some time now. The dail iso image, however, has. For example; the daily iso has restricted-manager 0.23 while the daily-live has only restricted-manager 0.20.03:37
CharlesEdwardPaxDoes anyone know what is going on? When can I expect to see a daily-live iso image with the current packages. I would like a current build to test on my PowerBook. Thanks...03:37
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MrFeetioi just installed alot of updates (kernel 22-7 to 22-8)03:52
MrFeetioand now my laptop is running 10 degrees(Celsius) cooler03:52
MrFeetiowhich is alot03:53
MrFeetiodoes anyone know why this may have happened(im not complaining)03:54
Jordan_UMrFeetio, What kind of laptop is it?03:55
MugginsMthere was some stuff in the newer kernels that is a lot more power efficient, maybe ubuntu enabled it?03:55
MrFeetioits a HP dv6000t03:55
MrFeetiocore 2 duo03:55
MrFeetioit used to run at 39 degrees(a few months ago) then i noticed it started running at 50(i didnt change anything) so i upgraded to 7.10(tickless kernel, and i love bleeding edge)03:56
MrFeetiostill 50, then 15 min a updated upgraded, restarted 39-49 again03:57
MrFeetio*15 min ago03:57
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connhi, has anyone tried compiz with exa on an intel graphics chipset? does it work for you?04:39
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arooni_hey folks04:49
arooni_can someone take a look at http://pastie.caboo.se/7877204:49
arooni_i'm having trouble getting just the intel video driver from gutsy04:49
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shirishubotu mobile05:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about mobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:09
shirishubotu embedded05:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about embedded - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:09
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about ubuntumobile - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:09
shirishDanaG: any idea about the ubuntumobile distro./stuff . I just have the mail which says it gonna happen https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-May/000289.htm nothing else05:10
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ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hildon - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:10
ubotuSorry, I don't know anything about hildon-desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi05:10
shirishperhaps there is a spelling mistake or something, for I can't find aptitude show hildon :(05:11
DanaGTry to search, instead.05:12
shirishI tried just that, hildon-desktop is there as well as some libraries, but curiously no mention of any web-site although the mailing list is given.05:13
shirishDanaG: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded any idea how to add this link to the factoid? I went to the factoids.cgi but couldn't find a way to add it.05:16
Amaranthshirish: it's more 'get hildon in the archive'05:16
Amaranthi don't think there is going to be a distro released from it05:16
Amaranth!mobile is <reply>Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded05:17
Amaranth!mobile is <reply> Learn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded05:17
Amaranthstupid bot05:17
shirishAmaranth: I did see the mail so know its going to be an early release, I just wanted to know some stuff, btw did you just add it to the factoid like that?05:18
Amaranth!mobile > shirish05:18
Amaranthgah, wrong modifier05:18
Amaranthi just added it, yes05:18
Amaranthbut you can't05:18
shirishI guess only ops or somebody like that can only add stuff05:19
shirishubotu mobile05:19
ubotuLearn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded05:19
Amaranthsomething like that05:19
shirishah good :)05:19
Amaranth/msg ubotu %editors05:19
Amaranthdoing it here will pretty much be the same as calling the ops05:19
shirishok cool, I don't like to call anybody unless it really is necessary ;)05:20
shirishthanx all the same though :)05:20
Amaranthwell, it just gives you an idea of who can add stuff05:21
Amaranthor you can attempt to add it and ubotu will tell us in #ubuntu-ops05:22
shirishthat's cool :)05:22
Amaranthand we can review it and such05:22
shirishthat's cool also :)05:22
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shirishsorry for that abrupt going off, gnash decided that it didn't like a flash file & rebooted me in the session.05:30
shirishits proving to be much too much pain rather than any fun with it :(05:30
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shirishubotu mobile05:39
ubotuLearn more about Ubuntu Mobile at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded05:39
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Perdenteto save my life, can a swap partition be part of an extension and still work?05:42
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DanaGaah, it's so wonderful booting back into Gutsy after a long time in WinXP.06:23
DanaGIf I read text in XP for a long time, I end up with bloodshot eyes.06:23
MugginsMyeah, there's something up with Windows fonts06:23
MugginsMdon't know what because they initially look ok, but they're not good06:23
DanaGIf I do the same in Gutsy, I have no (or at least less severe) problems.06:23
DanaGIt may be because Windows fails at DPI scaling.06:24
MugginsMI've noticed that06:24
DanaGIt's "my way or the highway" -- where "my way" is Microsoft's way -- 96DPI.06:24
DanaGaaaaaah, soooooo much better.06:28
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Nergari did the "partial upgrade" and now my system is broken07:05
Hobbseethen...fix it?07:05
Hobbseeplease see the /topic07:05
Hobbseeand file a bug, if one is not already filed07:05
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SeveredCrossYes yes very cool but will it make me a midnight snack?07:15
SeveredCrossOops, wrong window. ^_^07:15
Nergari know, but i need help with filing the bug, i don't know which package is broken07:16
SeveredCrossWhat about your system is busted?07:16
Hobbseedoes the upgrade output help you?07:16
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CharlesEdwardPaxAnyone know what's causing the PPC daily-live builds to not be updating? Every day the regular daily iso has updated packages, but the daily-live one does not.08:27
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HobbseeCharlesEdwardPax: yeah.  they're screwed atm.08:33
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SeveredCrossI just finished a full kernel configuration.08:33
HobbseeCharlesEdwardPax: the livefs not building, is the actual answer08:33
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SeveredCrossThen realized I needed kernel-package...I installed it and for some reason it decided to remove linux-headers-blah-blah....And there went my .config08:34
HobbseeCharlesEdwardPax: and the livefs is not actually building, due to the dependancies not satisfiable08:34
SeveredCrossI didn't even realize what happened until it finished.08:34
CharlesEdwardPaxHobbsee: Thanks for the answer. It's been bugging me for the last few days. Have you heard anything indicating when this might be fixed? Maybe for Tribe 3 on the 19th.08:42
HobbseeCharlesEdwardPax: monday, probably08:42
HobbseeCharlesEdwardPax: you didnt tell me which flavour08:42
HobbseeCharlesEdwardPax: it'll be fixed before tribe 3, definetly08:42
CharlesEdwardPaxUbuntu on PPC08:42
CharlesEdwardPaxNot Kubuntu or anything08:43
Hobbseeright, yeah08:43
CharlesEdwardPaxHobbsee: Thanks again. I'm off to sleep...08:44
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Infectocan some one tell me why suspend to ram don`t work ? i use ati card and gutsy.11:08
InfectoLinux sraptok 2.6.22-8-generic #1 SMP Thu Jul 12 15:59:45 GMT 2007 i686 GNU/Linux11:09
Infectoi do like it saids but :(11:09
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gnomefreakInfecto: https://launchpad.net/bugs/12594611:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 125946 in linux-source-2.6.22 "No suspend to disk with 2.6.22 on Thinkpad Z61m" [Undecided,New] 11:33
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Infectognomefreak: i use suspend to ram11:35
Infectonot to disk11:35
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kingrayrayanybody got a helio ocean? hehe12:43
kingrayrayneed to figure out how to mount it as mass storage ^^12:43
ubotudpkg is the Debian package maintenance system, which together with apt forms the basic Ubuntu package management toolkit.12:56
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ZeroXi need help about customizing  & rebranding ubuntu01:13
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eagles0513875ZeroX: u working on creating ur own distro01:20
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ZeroX<eagles0513875> where r u01:39
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eagles0513875im going to lunch though01:39
eagles0513875we need to talk when i get back01:40
eagles0513875im looking to creat my own distro too01:40
ZeroXjusk one question dude01:40
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Hobbseeoh yay, more subdistros...02:01
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ZeroXyes why not02:02
=== Hobbsee wishes people would actually get their ideas into the flavours of the parent distro, and not duplicate work
ZeroXya ya02:02
HobbseeZeroX: because if the ideas that you have are not on crack, then we probably want them in main ubuntut.02:02
Hobbseeoh dear, i cant spell tonight02:02
Hobbseeof course, if they're a complete spinoff, then go ahead02:03
Hobbseebut there's limited point in getting stuff implemented in a subdistribution, if it's also good for the main one02:04
ZeroX without hesitations02:04
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shirishdoes anybody know the source package that history is part of , I tried apt-cache search history (nothing) , apt-cache madison history (nothing), aptitude show history (nothing), does anybody have any other idea?02:20
Hobbseeshirish: i'd guess part of bash02:20
shirishHobbsee: oh ok thanx02:21
shirishany idea how would I find in the history all the commands which I have started or had 'dpkg' as its starting , I know 'find' or 'grep' would be used somehow.02:23
shirishcorrecting  dpkg as its starting string02:23
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Hobbseeshirish: history | grep dpkg02:25
shirishdrats lol, never thought it would be that easy, always was thinking it would be something like history find 'dpkg - *' or something complicated like that lol02:26
Hobbseehehe, nope02:29
Hobbseealthough the file that the history is stored in is ~/.bash_history02:30
Hobbseeso you can also do grep dpkg ~/.bash_history02:30
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shirishoh ok cool :)02:34
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socmy kde 4 alpha 2 chrashes because it tries to find files in /usr/lib/kde4/usr/lib/kde4 ...03:34
socsomeone knows a fix for that?03:34
soci already tried the instructions on kubuntu.org03:34
astinusFix? Use KDE 3.5.x ;)03:34
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socc'mon ...03:35
soci tried kde4 because i hope i don't dislike it as much as kde3 ...03:35
astinusAs the eminent Mr. Torvalds suggested, GNOME must be the way forward :)03:35
Hobbseeit's an alpha....03:36
astinuswell that didn't take long03:37
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ShackJackHi - just wondering if any Gutsy/Compiz/XGL/fglrx users are experiencing general "wonkiness" lately...  XGL on notebook not starting up right lately, desktop panel locking up, wireless stack issues... Just curious...04:07
ShackJackGutsy/Nvidia/Compiz setup on 5-year old desktop is flawless ;)04:07
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ccoffeywould the patch from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/106887 be implemented in http://packages.ubuntu.com/gutsy/admin/grub ?04:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 106887 in grub ""ALERT! does not exist" at boot with ICH7" [Medium,Fix released] 04:33
Hobbseeccoffey: msot likely04:34
ccoffeyI'm not sure how to read diff's, but it says "+grub (0.97-20ubuntu7) gutsy; urgency=low" so is that line changed to 0.97-20ubuntu7, or has that to be changed?04:35
Hobbseeccoffey: yes it has been applied04:36
Hobbseeyou dont need to apply that in gutsy04:36
Hobbseeunless someones' pulled the patch, for some unkonwn reason04:36
ccoffeyHobbsee: ok, thanks. I'm not too up on diffs and so on04:36
Hobbseeccoffey: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub/+bug/106887/comments/5104:37
ubotuLaunchpad bug 106887 in grub ""ALERT! does not exist" at boot with ICH7" [Medium,Fix released] 04:37
ccoffeyHobbsee: ok, makes sense now, I'm not quite down with the lingo, but I know now :)04:39
Hobbseeccoffey: no problem04:39
eagles0513875i dont know whether anyone can help me but i just upgraded to kde 3.5.7 and for some reason when i listen to any of my music (which is in flac format) in amarok throughout all the audio it cuts out intermittently04:40
SeveredCrossPeople say you shouldn't use Alpha software.04:46
SeveredCrossGutsy is stable as all hell.04:46
SeveredCrossThough one thing is bugging me--is there a bug where Gutsy doesn't lock X sessions when you close the screen on a laptop or did I miss a setting.04:46
eagles0513875agreed found a few bugs and im having one with amarok and kde 3.5.7 and i found a nasty one after a dist-upgrade04:46
eagles0513875missed a setting04:46
SeveredCrossThe only bugs I've ran into were the apt and libcurl* issues.04:47
eagles0513875open up power manager04:47
SeveredCrossWell, the setting was all set up in Feisty heh.04:47
ilikec0wsMy gutsy attempt didnt like me ^^04:47
eagles0513875what was ur apt issue04:47
HobbseeSeveredCross: amarok != kde404:47
SeveredCrossCouldn't satisfy a libapt-inst dependency for a long time.04:47
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ilikec0wsLots of problems booting up, yet when I ran feisty ages ago i never had a problem04:47
eagles0513875i had a nasty one with apport when i did a dist upgrade after adept notifier would crash and spawn alot of apport processes until i had no more swap space and my comp was bogged down like crazy04:47
SeveredCrossEr, no option in power manager eagles0513875.04:48
ilikec0wsie. Unconsistent booting from the livecd, then installer failed to create an ext3  partition in my HDD04:48
eagles0513875SeveredCross: on the bottom04:48
SeveredCrossI had no issues, but then I dist-upgraded from Feisty.04:48
eagles0513875it says when laptop lid is closed what do u want it to do04:48
SeveredCrossLock The Screen is not there.04:48
eagles0513875for me it is04:48
SeveredCrossKDE has it I think, GNOME doesn't04:49
SeveredCrossGNOME automatically locks.04:49
eagles0513875r u on ubuntu or kubuntu04:49
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eagles0513875im on kde and i just set it to lock04:49
SeveredCrossGNOME usually does it without me having to tell it to, except not in Gutsy.04:49
SeveredCrossI think I may have seen that as a reported bug.04:50
SeveredCrossBut I'm not 100%.04:50
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eagles0513875severed lol that will get worked out before release04:50
eagles0513875im running the x64 version of it and i love it04:50
eagles0513875best 64bit os out there04:50
SeveredCrossI know it'll get worked out, it's just a mite annoying--I've gotten used to locking the workstation by hand and just hitting Ctrl-Alt-L04:51
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eagles0513875how do a move a folder from one place into another folder04:55
eagles0513875i cant just drag and drop it cuz i need root privs04:55
SeveredCrosskdesu konqueror?04:55
SeveredCrossI know that's a bit of bad form for some reason or another that I can't remember right now but it seems like a good idea.04:56
SeveredCrossEither that or sudo mv should do too04:56
HobbseeSeveredCross: no, that's correct usage04:56
SeveredCrossIs it? I must be mixed up.04:56
SeveredCrossVery possible..04:56
ubotusudo is a command to run programs with superuser privileges ("root"). Look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RootSudo for all information.04:57
ubotuIn KDE, use  kdesu  to run graphical applications with root privileges when you have to. Do *not* use  sudo <GUI application> ; you can muck up your permissions/config files. For what to use in GNOME, see !gksudo04:57
eagles0513875Hobbsee: i knwo that already i just need to move a folder that i cant just drag and drop04:58
Hobbseeeagles0513875: use kdesu konqueror04:58
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SeveredCrossjOh, righttt.05:01
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SeveredCrossThe new "blank screen when idle" is cool.05:04
SeveredCrossAnd very smooth.05:04
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DisablezAnyone has probs purging old linux-ubuntu-modules-2.6.22.x?05:09
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SeveredCrossDoes anyone happen to know if the problem with vesa not being able to start X on an ATI card without fglrx has been fixed?05:16
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ilikec0wsAnyone know where ubuntu keeps its equivalent to /etc/rc.conf?05:21
crimsunilikec0ws: there is none.05:22
crimsun(upstart currently provides sysvinit compatibility)05:22
ilikec0wscrimsun, upstart?05:22
crimsunupstart handles the scripts in the traditional sysvinit boot sequence05:23
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ilikec0wsIf I have removed something from my run levels like GDM, how would I go about adding it back?05:24
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crimsunuse update-rc.d05:24
crimsunsee gdm's postinst file05:25
crimsun/var/lib/dpkg/info/gdm.postinst:101:  update-rc.d gdm defaults 13 01 >/dev/null 2>&105:25
ilikec0wsWhich would i run in terminal05:26
crimsunthe update-rc.d command05:26
crimsunsee everything that follows the colon05:26
crimsunthe second colon, that is.05:26
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lontrais the orinoco_cs module not included in the tribe+2 cd?  i can't seem to modprobe it and it's a very common module.  i use it with my orinoco card and i've never had a distro not support it05:57
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SeveredCrossMeh, having trouble publishing my gpg key.05:58
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mendredhi just updated to gutsy... feels more responsive...i am trying to run compiz fusion, when i run kde-window-decorator i am getting a thick border around stuff like panels, menus etc..any idea how to remove this?06:10
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comzip99connect #ubuntu06:23
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KartiHi all, just trying to install 7.10 32 bit onto a 64 bit PC....having no luck, is this to be expected?07:21
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SeveredCrossIn some ways, yes, Gutsy is still Tribe 2, which is alpha.07:22
SeveredCrossBut, 32bit onto 64bit should have no issues--there's no pure 64-bit processor in existence, all of them should run 32-bit no problem.07:23
SeveredCrossWhat's the problem you're having07:23
KartiI just keep getting errors and it suggests that I try it with noapic but the same error. I thought it was my hard drive but as its a live disk it should still boot07:24
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SeveredCrossWhat boot errors?07:24
SeveredCrossBe more specific. :)07:24
KartiSeveredCross: brb, just switching pcs07:24
KartiSeveredCross: My error is ; MP-BIOS bug 8254 timer not connected to IO-APIC07:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 8254 in slang "countrychooser: db_go fails when choosing Arabic as language (dup-of: 8253)" [Unknown,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/825407:28
ubotuLaunchpad bug 8253 in slang "crash displaying main menu in arabic" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/825307:28
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Kartifollowed by Kernal panic - not syncing:IO-APIC + timer doesn't work!07:28
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SeveredCrossYeah, sounds like you need noapic...Do you still get the same error with noapic?07:31
SeveredCrossErr, you already answered that, you do.07:31
KartiIt lets me go further, but after a few minutes of what looks like a good load, it goes to pages of errors with no access07:31
SeveredCrossTry noapic nolapic07:32
KartiI got the same result07:32
KartiI just added it to the end of the boot list,07:32
SeveredCrossSounds like the kernel really hates your PC.07:32
SeveredCrossWhat kind of setup do you have?07:32
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KartiSeveredCross: I have an ASUS M2N4-SLI motherboard with an AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+, I managed to get Fedora 6 running on it, but that was just to play with, my main PC is Kubuntu07:36
Kartiso I wanted to try out the latest version on my test one07:36
SeveredCrossDid you try the 64-bit version?07:37
KartiDownloading it as we speak07:38
KartiThe only issues I have with that is the lck of drivers and I don't have the skills yet to amend them07:38
Kartilack of drivers rather07:38
SeveredCrossWhat drivers do you need that aren't available?07:39
KartiWifes not forgiven me for updating her to win xp 64 bit lol07:39
SeveredCrossLOL, yeah, 64bit drivers for XP are far and few between.07:40
KartiI used to use VMWare on Windows which used a wireless connection but I could fool it into using it as an ethernet, as I have not got the hang of using wireless on linux yet, so my first trial into Kubuntu picked up my usb wireless straight away which pleased me no end07:41
Kartibut wireless is my main issue07:41
SeveredCrossWireless is much improved since 6.06.07:42
SeveredCrossThe biggest improvement was the jump from Edgy to Feisty, with the new NetworkManager.07:43
Kartito be honest once I got the hang of the manager it was easy07:43
SeveredCrossYeah, NetworkManager is great.07:43
Kartiand a main reason I moved from windows to ubuntu07:43
SeveredCrossI switched because I got sick of Windows.07:44
SeveredCrossIt always bogs down after a few months no matter how clean you keep your system.07:44
SeveredCrossBecause it accumulates cruft that you can't clean out lest you risk breaking installers and stuff.07:44
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SeveredCrossI had accumulated almost 5 GB of installer files in Windows--but I can't delete them, otherwise the bloody uninstallers fail.07:44
SeveredCrossWhereas apt and dpkg just know exactly what every piece of software installs and how to remove it.07:45
KartiI have dipped into linux for a while and the support on the irc channels swung me, some of them can quite overwhealming07:45
SeveredCrossYeah, #ubuntu can be a beast to follow.07:45
KartiI can only do it on my PCs though as the wife refuses to change......ah well07:47
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SeveredCrossWhy's she refuse?07:48
KartiMicrosoft Chick...07:48
SeveredCrossArgh. :-P07:48
KartiI actual;ly get the MS Action Pack that I use for work and the like so she has all the software available, so is unlikely to change07:49
SeveredCrossAh, okay.07:49
Kartithough as I said she hates me for moxing to the 64 bit xp as her phone, webcam and ITUNES dont work that well07:49
SeveredCrossYeah, iTunes is busted.07:50
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KartiAll the music she buys I can't even burn as it doesnt recognise her cdrom......had to install it on another pc just to get the stuff off!07:50
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SeveredCrossIt doesn't recognize the CD drive? WTH??07:51
KartiYEAH THERE ARE LOTS OF ISSUES oops with it07:52
Kartiif I could be bothered I would change it.....07:52
KartiSeveredCross: Many thanks for the help, I will try the 64 bit to see if it makes a difference after tea. I will mention it if I am sucessful....cheers07:55
gnomefreakguys for non gutsy topics please take it to #ubuntu-offtopic07:58
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XVampireXCan anyone please help me? xorg says that nvidia.ko doesn't exist when I do startx ...08:34
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ccoffeyis there much work going on with dmraid and initramfs, or was most if resolved for feisty?08:34
XVampireXand I have linux-restricted-modules for the correct kernel and I have nvidia-kernel-common but I don't see one for the kernel I'm using (Or I'm just not aware of the one)08:35
XVampireXOr do I really need to just use feisty, cause even with feisty.... the nvidia-glx-new package is broken (lacking libwfb)08:36
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XVampireXAnd I thought the new xorg was supposed to fix this problem, too...08:38
XVampireXNo one is available here to help me?08:38
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ubotuI am ubotu, all-knowing infobot. You can browse my brain at http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl - Usage info: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBots08:41
ubotuTo install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto08:42
XVampireXmeh, brb08:42
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XVampireXcannot open /lib/modules/2.6.22-8-generic/volatile/nvidia.ko08:46
gnomefreakXVampireX: you ever install the drivers from nvidia.com?08:48
gnomefreakXVampireX: i see that happens alot when the user doesnt get rid of all traces of the upstream drivers08:48
XVampireXYes I did08:49
XVampireXwhat do I do then?08:49
gnomefreakXVampireX: use the nvidia script that you use to install it and uninstall it (there should be a flag to pass for that08:50
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XVampireXYeah but envy doesn't want to help me with gutsy08:50
gnomefreakXVampireX: envy == bad08:51
XVampireXI know08:51
XVampireXso what do I do then? :P08:51
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gnomefreakif you used envy to install it good luck. iirc there is no uninstall options with envy08:51
XVampireXThere is08:51
gnomefreakuninstall the drivers and l-r-m that it builds08:51
XVampireXjust that it doesn't work on gutsy anymore08:51
gnomefreakXVampireX: all it does it removes envy not ht econfig08:52
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gnomefreakl-r-m linux-restricted-modules08:52
gnomefreakXVampireX: upstream package makes its own l-r-m and that is where you are running into issues08:52
gnomefreakXVampireX: nvidia.....run or sh script can uninstall everything that the script installs but envy cant (makes it worse than the upstream drivers)08:53
XVampireXI removed all linux-restricted-modules08:54
XVampireXshould I remove all nvidia stuff from those places too, manually?08:55
XVampireXserge@serge-desktop:/usr/lib$ locate 100.14.1208:58
XVampireXSee, that's all I have of the version I installed08:59
gnomefreakget rid of it all and start over and hope all is ok08:59
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gnomefreakyou can leave the nvidia-kernel i think08:59
gnomefreakXVampireX: there is more you didnt find iirc09:00
XVampireXsuch as?09:00
gnomefreakXVampireX: with envy its hard to tell.09:01
XVampireXI looked in directories too09:01
gnomefreakif you just used the nvidia script i could look for it but i dont know exactly what envy does when it installs it other than builds the restricted-modules for your running kenrel09:01
XVampireXwhat nvidia script?09:02
gnomefreakthan try removing those09:02
gnomefreakXVampireX: envy uses the script you get from nvidia.com to install the packages09:02
gnomefreakXVampireX: but envy's config is not the same (how it builds than im not sure) why they didnt make a remove restricted-modules flag is beyond me09:03
XVampireXThey... hehe :P09:03
XVampireXHe's supposed to be here somewhere actually09:04
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XVampireXruntime Qt4.3 stuff is also buggy, the systray icon has some problems...09:09
XVampireXgnomefreak: Package nvidia-kernel-2.6.22-8-generic has no available version, but exists in the database09:13
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XVampireXBy the way, m-a ignores nvidia-new-kernel-source ....09:17
XVampireXmodule assistant09:18
XVampireXSo what do I do now?09:21
XVampireXthat linux-kernel thing doesn't want to install for some reason09:21
gnomefreakXVampireX: you should beable to remove everything nvidia related and install nvidia-glx(-new)(legacy) and make sure if restricted-manager gets removed install it again09:21
gnomefreakXVampireX: it wont install because its already there just not the one from ubuntu09:21
XVampireXah okye09:21
XVampireXSo what's the ubuntu version?09:22
gnomefreakdpkg -l nvidia should list everything, and have at it but normally its a pain to get rid of the n-r-m package thats why nvidia added an --uninstall flag09:23
XVampireXserge@serge-desktop:~$ dpkg -l nvidia09:23
XVampireXNo packages found matching nvidia.09:23
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gnomefreaknvidia-kernel-common maybe?09:24
XVampireXI saw that it's a very old version...09:24
gnomefreakXVampireX: damn thats because its not installed as a package09:24
gnomefreakmaybe find or locate |less09:24
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XVampireXI installed it...09:25
XVampireXI mean I installed linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22-8-generic09:25
gnomefreakXVampireX: and you are getting that error?09:26
gnomefreakXVampireX: try removing --purgeing it09:26
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XVampireXI tried it several times...09:26
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gnomefreakXVampireX: due you have envy source?09:27
XVampireXNot really09:27
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gnomefreakdo they give you source freely?09:27
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XVampireXwho's they?09:28
XVampireXI know this guy made it: http://albertomilone.com09:28
gnomefreakthe envy people09:28
gnomefreakhmmm i think i know him atleeast that name brb09:28
XVampireXonly one09:28
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XVampireXhmm, brb, myself09:30
gnomefreakthats bad09:30
crdlberr I thought it did the DISABLED_MODULES="nv" thing09:31
gnomefreaki havent found source yet09:31
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crdlbgnomefreak, as in source code?09:33
crdlbit's python iirc09:33
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gnomefreakmight not have to09:33
gnomefreaki found it but may not need to look at it :)09:33
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ubotuLaunchpad bug 119568 in envy "envy collides with nvidia-new-kernel-source " [Undecided,New] 09:35
XVampireXI got it to work :P09:35
gnomefreakXVampireX: theres a bug on the exact issue09:35
gnomefreakplease comment on bug on how you got it to work ill ping him monday if i still have a pc up and running and ask him to find a way to flag --uninstall back to it09:36
XVampireXJust freaked out and it worked, really... :) Nah, Well, I don't really know how I got it to work but I did reinstall nvidia stuff several times09:37
gnomefreakok out for a while still packaing09:38
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nysosymhi there09:44
nysosymhas anyone tested one of the last gutsy dailies on a macbook ?09:44
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XVampireXnotice the star (It's psi) I compiled with Qt4.3 in gutsy09:56
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burner_anyone else super super thankful for evolution email that kicks major arse as of 2.11.5 :)09:58
burner_it is sooooooo much faster when used with exchange servers now09:58
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KartiSeveredCross: Just to get back to you, the 64 bit AMD iso worked perfectly!10:05
KartiSeveredCross: and it picked up my wireless perfectly10:06
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sn0nice Karti :)10:12
DanaGIs anybody else here using compiz (-fusion) ?10:12
DanaGI've found the official version to be very slow, for some reason.10:13
thullyI want to run gutsy on my machine (actually, already am) but want to take a few precautions to make it easier to recover from breakage...  What would be suggested?  I thought of using LVM snapshots, but I'm unsure how to get started with that...10:13
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sn0thully virtual machine? its not quite the same as a physical install, but its one option10:15
mon^rchis gutsy using compiz fusion yet?10:15
sn0if its for testing, then you could just keep the /home partition on another physical partition than / and do backups regularly10:15
sn0did you read that snapshots_backup link ? :)10:16
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thullysn0: I'd prefer testing on the bare metal - there's some hardware-specific issues I'd like to work on - and I'd like to use Compiz Fusion...10:16
sn0thully indeed :)10:16
thullyIt's for testing, but I'd probably use it 80% of the time or so... I may actually want to help fix some of these bugs and maybe even do MOTU down the road...10:19
thullyyes - I did - I'd just prefer not to have to make the actual backup and just use the snapshots as-is (make one, and revert to it with a few commands)10:20
sn0thully have you heard of 'unionfs' before?10:20
thullythat's what is used on the live CD...10:20
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sn0yep, its another option you could use10:20
sn0personally i just back up the list of installed packages with dpkg and my configs, everything else backed up on another partition10:21
sn0haven't really tried snapshots yet10:21
sn0lvm does sound like the thing you require :)10:21
thullyI just have to figure out how to use it - I know you can create a snapshot and boot it, but not how to directly revert the main partition to the snapshot10:22
sn0howtoforge have a 'guide' on setting it up and so on10:23
thullyI will search - I'm actually messing around with LVM to find the right way of doing this...10:23
sn0includes how to restore from a backup (from lvm beginner guide), it does mention debian but it could be used for gutsy too10:23
thullyI even thought of doing a chroot from feisty, but gutsy supports my hardware (a MacBook) much better than Feisty10:24
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thullyworks better than Windows (even with Apple's Boot Camp drivers) and second only to Mac OS X10:25
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akoss there a way to do something like this: copy the installation ISO to an empty hdd partition, boot from it and install? i'd do the usb-install, but i don't have enought space on it to copy the whole cd, and i don't have internet during install due to the fact that i need the atl1 drivers...10:28
DanaGOne big reason for me using Linux more than Windows:10:28
akosDanaG, 10x more responsive?10:28
DanaGThe font rendering in Windows makes my eyes become bloodshot after a short time.10:29
akosIs there a way to do something like this: copy the installation ISO to an empty hdd partition, boot from it and install? i'd do the usb-install, but i don't have enought space on it to copy the whole cd, and i don't have internet during install due to the fact that i need the atl1 drivers...10:29
DanaGIn Linux, it takes a reeeeeeeeeeally long time for that to happen -- in other words, the font rendering is much better.10:29
DanaGakos: The alternate CD may let you use the ISO as the "Detect and mount CD"10:29
DanaGbut I don't remember how.10:30
akosDanaG, huh?10:30
akosoh.. :|10:30
sn0akos yes10:31
sn0search the ubuntu wiki/forums for hd install10:31
akossn0, i cant find it... i tried searching hd install and ubuntu hdd install, but nothing relevant10:34
sn0akos something like https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/FromHardDriveWithFloppies (uses floppies to start)10:36
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XVampireXmy other 3 cpu's disappeared :P10:49
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DanaGEeek, I found an instantly reproducible X crash:10:52
DanaGHave caca-utils installed, and run CACA_DRIVER=gl cacafire -- and watch X die   At least with NVIDIA, that is.10:52
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vinnyso, anyone else had their system rendered basicly usless from the latest update11:04
vinnyno sound, oss alsa, both broken. window manager is b11:05
vinnyborked, have to use metacity11:05
vinnysomething in there is wrong anyway :)11:06
vinnywireless network still works tho!11:06
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xarusdid any of you experience some strange problems with compiz-fusion since last dist-upgrade @ gutsy?11:09
xarussegmentation faults ?11:09
xarusunable to start? [driver: nvidia-glx] 11:09
xarusberyl works fine11:10
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vinnycompiz fusion is completely butchered for me11:19
vinnyas is sound11:19
vinnytrying to fix it all now11:20
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vinnyxarus you t11:22
vinnyrying to11:22
vinnyuse emerald with compiz fusion11:22
vinnysorry it appears my keymap has been buggered up too11:22
xarusand it worked till yesterday11:22
vinnyi was jsut installing jack audio routing11:23
vinnyand i triggered an update11:23
vinnyand let it run11:23
vinnyand poof11:23
vinnybyebye audio, byebye emerald11:23
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xarusgutsy - deveoper's release11:23
vinnynew kermelversion is prolly part of the issue11:23
vinnyi think i saw a kernelupgrade in there11:23
xarusyou should've been expecting that11:23
vinnywell yes but theres hardly any point in having a discussion chanel if someones going to say that everytime anyone encounters a problem11:24
DanaGA bunch of my panel applets have broken, somehow.11:25
vinnyi mean hey, look at me, im in ubuntuplus1 "oh well its a dev release, of coiurse its broken"11:25
xarusyeah, you have a point here11:25
DanaGThey work, until when I have to kill X for various reasons.11:25
thullydoes anyone know how to get the Cube working on Compiz Fusion in Gutsy?11:25
vinnyill tell you<DanaG> They work, until when I have to kill X for various reasons.11:26
xarusthully: enable 'cube' plugin?11:26
vinny when i figure out how to get compiz-fusion working again11:26
xarusand when you figure out that please share with me.11:26
xarus ] ;->11:26
vinnyok looks like fuision basic works11:26
vinnywithout emerald11:26
thullyhow do you do that?  it's not enabled by default...11:26
DanaGI've just reverted to the 3v1n0 feisty repo, but I have to forbid newer official versions.11:26
xarusvinny: let's try it11:27
xarus/usr/bin/compiz: line 252:  6666 Segmentation fault      /usr/bin/compiz.real $COMPIZ_OPTIONS "$@" $COMPIZ_PLUGINS11:27
vinnyyou/usr/bin/compiz.real (core) - Error: Plugin 'cube' can't be activated because plugin 'plane' is already providing feature 'largedesktop'11:28
vinnyInitializing scale options...done11:28
vinnyInitializing switcher options...done11:28
vinnyActive Plugin List update11:28
vinny running latest11:29
vinnydamm my keymap11:29
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vinnyim tempted to11:30
vinnytry tervinos feisty11:31
xaruswhat's that?11:31
vinnybut i suspect some plugins wont work11:31
crdlbthat's a bad idea11:31
vinnyi know :)11:31
crdlbvinny, uncheck plane?11:31
crdlbin ccsm11:31
vinnylol i dont have ccsm any more11:32
vinny*trying gnome-compiz-manager11:33
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vinnyi think ill just go away and play and come back when i have figured it o<xarus> what's that?11:34
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vinnyok so im sick of things breaking all the time11:50
vinnyif i change my apt-sources to feisty and dist-upgreade11:50
vinnywill it revert me to feisty?11:50
thullyyou don't want to do it - downgrades aren't a supported feature...  There isn't a "dist-downgrade" command, and trying to do it manually will result in more breakage than gutsy had in the first place11:52
thullyI've been going back and forth myself - I need some gutsy features for my MacBook (suspend-to-RAM and better power management, among others)11:56
vinnyi to am on a macbook11:56
thullyI've tried running in a virtual machine (actually VMware Fusion on OS X), but then you don't get the 3D-ness...11:58
vinnynoob question here11:58
vinnyi chacn11:58
vinnychanged my apt-sources to feisty, but a dist-upgrade does nothing11:59
vinnyi want to downgrade from gutsy11:59
vinnywhat am i doing wrong?11:59
vinnyi did a apt-get -f update11:59
thullythat's because you can't downgrade with apt - the only way is back up, format, restore11:59
vinny*goes to download feisty iso12:00
vinnylinux is tempermental enough without with apt - the only way is back12:00
vinny          up, format, restore12:00
vinnyi dont understand why it keeps doing that12:00
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arpuhi @all12:02
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arpu i have aproblem with gutsy and wlan on my new macbook12:03
arpuhow can i install wlan ?12:03
thullyOK - you probably need the latest svn release of madwifi12:03
arputhully : ok the included driver do not   work ?12:04
thullyyes - it's too old...12:04
thullyI think even on Gutsy, as I don't know if they're pulling the SVN or the release12:05
thullyI dunno myself, because I have an older MacBook that works out of the box (it only has the chipset with b/g, and not n)12:05
arputhx thully i give it a try12:08
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arputhully, thx with svn madwifi all works fine12:18
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