[12:16] <nysosym> hi there
[12:16] <nysosym> does gutsy use the madwifi driver from svn out of the box actually?
[12:29] <okaratas> hello
[12:29] <crimsun> pong.  I saw your update for flashplugin-nonfree (please remember to update debian/config, too), thanks!
[12:29] <crimsun> err, asac ^
[12:30] <Nafallo> :-)
[12:30] <okaratas> hello
[01:17] <Arcer> hi al is there someone?
[01:17] <Arcer> *all
[01:19] <geser> !weekend
[01:19] <ubotu> It's a weekend.  Often on weekends, the paid developers, and a lot of the community, may not be around to answer your question.  Please be patient, wait longer than you normally would, or try again during the working week.
[01:19] <Arcer> :)
[01:20] <Arcer> i work every day also in the weekend
[01:26] <ion_> I wonder whether it would be feasible to use the graphics card memory as swap space?
[01:27] <Nafallo> haha
[01:27] <persia> ion_: http://hedera.linuxnews.pl/_news/2002/09/03/_long/1445.html (and many others)
[01:27] <Nafallo> :-)
[01:28] <ion_> persia: Thanks :-)
[01:30] <minghua> Wow, I thought it's just a crazy idea.
[01:30] <ion_> Well, the video RAM is obviously faster than HDDs.
[01:31] <ion_> And with recent GPUs, theres a *lot* of it.
[01:31] <persia> minghua: It's arguably not very useful, as there's only a little VRAM, but with the right priority settings for swap, and limited texture usage, it can certainly improve performance for low-memory situations.
[01:33] <minghua> persia: I am not expecting it to be very userful.  I just appreciate the hack value. :-)
[01:34] <minghua> I'll by more RAM (or a new computer, for that matter) if I really encounter low-memory situations too frequently.
[01:34] <ion_> For instance, i only have 384 MiB of memory in my desktop box, and rather than buying expensive DIMM, ill try to save for a completely new computer. However, my GPU has 128 MiB of memory. I could envision using 64 MiB of that as fast swap space, which would already make a nice difference.
[01:34] <persia> ion_: Just don't try for a full immersive 3D environment while you've got the swap on :)
[03:42] <jetole> hey guys, I know this is may not be the right room but developers always know more, I myself am I light weight C guy, and typical #ubuntu room seems full of simple questions and no one who has answered yet, I have two ubuntu feisty x86_64 machines, I am trying to do luks based encryption on my laptop and after many errors + wen searching + trial and error I found that /dev/.static/dev was empty where on my other ubuntu box it had 1962 entries, r
[03:42] <jetole> ight now I only need /dev/.static/dev/mapper but as a tmpfs file system I know it will be gone after each reboot, is there a package I need to install or an error I need to file because this has seemed a little difficult to google
[03:44] <jetole> also if there is a man page I sure as hell don't know where it is
[04:51] <AggieSawDust> can anyone point me to some good docs on setting up a cross-compiling env in Ubuntu?
[06:20] <Hobbsee> ***anyone who is bored, please fix stuff on http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/testing/gutsy_probs.html - there are various main people around who can sponsor changes ***
[06:33] <jetole_> hey guys, I hate to ask, but I asked a question earlier that no one responded to, long story short I solved it to the next level but I am a little confused, /dev/.static/dev didn't exist on my computer because basically I have traced it down to mount --move was failing with the "wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock" etc error, now I have tried it with several different test directories and I cannot get --move to work howev
[06:33] <jetole_> er I tested it with test directories on another computer, bith x64, both 7.04 and it works fine, does anyone know what cause mount --move to fail or how I may be able to fix it?
[06:34] <jetole_> again, I don't typically ask questions in this room and rarely in any room but #ubuntu seldom seems to have any answers and I seldom seem to have any questions
[10:37] <Hobbsee> hi seb128
[10:38] <seb128> hey Hobbsee
[10:43] <StevenK> seb128: Back home again?
[10:43] <seb128> StevenK: no, going to GUADEC today, still in London
[10:51] <Hobbsee> seb128: i suppose it's technically the weekend, but do you have a list of highlights for ubuntu, for tribe 3?
[10:53] <seb128> Hobbsee: "highlights"? you mean what's new since tribe-2?
[10:54] <Hobbsee> seb128: yes
[10:54] <Hobbsee> seb128: i dont really follow ubuntu that much, you see :)
[10:54] <seb128> GNOME 2.19.5
[10:55] <seb128> I don't think so much changed this week
[10:55] <seb128> there is the new GNOME
[10:55] <seb128> Hobbsee: enjoy
[10:57] <Hobbsee> right
[10:57] <Hobbsee> will do :)
[10:57] <Hobbsee> new kde packages, too
[10:58] <Hobbsee> seb128: thanks :)
[12:04] <calc> i'm stuck in gatwick, flight delayed 2.5hr :(
[12:06] <Hobbsee> calc: oh dear :(
[12:06] <Hobbsee> calc: you didnt want to go anywhere, did you?
[12:06] <wolfeon> ugh
[12:11] <calc> Hobbsee: heh, home would be nice
[12:12] <calc> by the time i get home i will have been up ~ 19hr
[12:12] <calc> on ~ 5hr sleep, not enough for me :\
[12:13] <calc> i wish i knew the flight was delayed before i went to the airport
[01:07] <ion_> Using video RAM as swap space seems to work fine. :-)
[01:09] <persia> ion_: Now launch vegastrike :)
[01:27] <TheMuso> Video ram as swap space? Never thought that could be done.
[01:28] <persia> TheMuso: It's been an experimental feature for a few years now, but it requires careful balance, and a good reason (VRAM is typically more expensive than DRAM)
[01:29] <TheMuso> Ah.
[01:46] <ion_> My servers VRAM only gives FFFFFFFF, even if i try to write stuff there.
[01:52] <mjr> bah, there were old, old patches to swap onto a gravis ultrasound in circulation in the mid-90s already, similar stuff :] 
[01:52] <ion_> The nice thing is that this worked with the default Ubuntu kernel image+modules. :-)
[03:53] <jbailey> Where is the Ubuntu package policy kept?  I remember that I'm supposed to twiddle the maintainer field when uploading a -ubuntu version, but I can't for the life of me remember what I'm supposed to do.
[03:53] <Hobbsee> jbailey: w.u.c/DebianMaintainerField? looking
[03:55] <jbailey> Is there some sort of a unified policy document like Debian's where I can find all the things that I'm supposed to remember in one place?
[03:58] <Hobbsee> jbailey: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianMaintainerField
[03:58] <Hobbsee> but the mailing list post says it more clearly than that, i'll have to find it
[04:06] <Hobbsee> jbailey: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-February/000249.html
[04:09] <jbailey> Hobbsee: Thanks!
[04:10] <Hobbsee> jbailey: no problem :)
[05:26] <Mithrandir> desrt: you at guadec yet?
[05:26] <pitti> hi Mithrandir
[05:27] <Mithrandir> hiya Martin
[05:38] <pitti> simira: have fun at guadec!
[05:39] <Hobbsee> hi simira
[05:39] <simira> pitti: I won't attend guadec, actually, just dropping by here as well :)
[06:22] <Hobbsee> i dont suppose anyone around here has moderation rights to ubuntu-devel-announce?
[06:23] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: you're wrong. :-P
[06:23] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: oh good.  please approve my post then
[06:24] <Mithrandir> done
[06:24] <Hobbsee> thanks :)
[06:25] <Mithrandir> np :-P
[06:25] <Mithrandir> s/P/)/
[06:25] <Hobbsee> :)
[06:31] <Hobbsee> oh $%&&*
[06:34] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: okay, can you approve the new mail please?
[06:38] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: *cough*. :-P  Will do
[06:38] <Mithrandir> would you care to strip out the bits you're not correcting there?
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: was wondering about that.  figured people would want to read the entire mail in one hit.  *shrugs
[06:41] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: and :P back to you.
[06:42] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: not sure on mailing list protocol there - i just went on the basis that i'd find it helpful to have the entire mail in one place, so that people could use it for reference
[06:42] <Hobbsee> er, *and* so that....
[06:43] <Hobbsee> ze brain is gone.  who stole my brain!
[06:43] <Hobbsee> YOU!!!!
[06:43] <Mithrandir> I'm innocent!
[06:43] <Hobbsee> no you're not.
[06:43] <Mithrandir> I found it lying about, all by itself
[06:43] <Hobbsee> why dont i beleive you?
[06:43] <Hobbsee> sure sure...
[06:44] <Mithrandir> people have traditionally done otherwise, but *shrug*; since you want it that way. :-P
[06:45] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: next time i'll get the link right, first time :P
[06:46] <Mithrandir> Hobbsee: sure, no worries.
[06:46] <Hobbsee> Mithrandir: thankyou again.  i hope to find no more errors in them :)
[07:10] <kylem> is dh_iconcache/dh_icons still broken?
[07:24] <ScottK> It's supposed to be fixed.
[07:30] <ion_> Why was dh_iconcache replaced with dh_icons?
[07:35] <tritium> The recent upgrade on flashplugin-nonfree (9.0.48.0.0ubuntu1~7.04.0) actually _removed_ flash support for me, as an md5sum mismatch occurred, the plugin did not install.
[07:36] <ScottK> tritium: Known issue that's being worked.
[07:38] <tritium> ScottK: okay, thanks
[07:38] <tritium> Didn't see indication on that on Launchpad, but good.
[07:47] <gnomefreak> tritium: i have it fixed
[07:48] <gnomefreak> tritium: should be in feisty soon
[07:48] <gnomefreak> i hope
[07:49] <gnomefreak> tritium: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/125986
[07:49] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 125986 in firefox "No flash after update of flashplugin-nonfree" [Undecided,In progress] 
[08:09] <aquo> hi
[08:10] <aquo> i use feisty and have a question
[08:10] <aquo> my syslogd has a pid of over 4000
[08:11] <aquo> i am just asking myself if everthing is right with the boot process of my machine, or if any of the inital scripts eats my pids
[08:14] <mjg59> A lot of processes get run in the initramfs
[08:18] <aquo> more than 3000? i think kernel reserves pid under 1000, but and then they go up step by step ...
[08:19] <mjg59> Why's it a problem?
[08:20] <tritium> nice, gnomefreak ;)
[08:20] <gnomefreak> tritium: :)
[08:35] <aquo> mjg59: it is no problem, i'm just analyzing the bootup process
[08:35] <aquo> mjg59: i am curious which process are getting started
[08:38] <ijuz__> there is some tool that can produce graphs of the boot process and shows what process runs when
[08:44] <aquo> ijuz__: i know, i am consultant for embedded linux and and used that for performance analysis
[08:44] <aquo> ijuz__: it is bootchart
[08:45] <ijuz__> good