[12:50] superm1, catch you later...going out for dinner tonight [12:51] mcya === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:15] New bug: #125901 in mythbuntu "HD-5500 not found on install" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125901 === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-153.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === dunder [n=dolphin@24-116-87-97.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [04:00] j/oin #mythtv-users [04:02] can someone help me figure out why my frontend isn't connecting to my backend even though it's on and mysqld & mythbackend are both running. . . . === foxbuntu [n=nick@12-216-24-171.client.mchsi.com] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ubotu [n=ubotu@ubuntu/bot/ubotu] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === varka [n=varkatop@p54A5E08C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === Hugolp [n=jo@217.168.3.246] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === bjweeks_ [n=bjweeks@unaffiliated/bjweeks] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [03:34] hey superm1 [03:34] superm1: http://codebrowse.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv/mythtv/ubuntu/annotate/supermario%40portablemario-20070617175227-by9l498p0mwljske?start_revid=supermario%40portablemario-20070713062925-4sga5nvxfdtj5msr&file_id=rules-20061207062049-3pdmp6d4dhibhg0b-45 [03:34] superm1: ^^ what am i supposed to enter there as SVN_RELEASE for the trunk packages? [03:43] Hmm.. i need to raise a bug - my remote's battery is flat >:( [03:44] :'( [03:44] i got myself a new cherry keyboard today. [03:44] it's teh win. [03:45] Ahh, USB keyboard with extension ftw [03:46] heh [03:48] i wish you could disable line numbers in the patch view in launchpad. [03:48] oh, it might be possible [03:49] I thought it was possible [03:49] yes, it is possible [03:49] click on "view/download patch" [03:49] nifty [03:49] makes porting superm1's changes to the svn branch way easier [03:50] gah. patch fails and i don't know why === laga goes back to merging changes by hand === laga resorts to just replacing the old file with the new one [03:54] dear launchpad, please stop being slow. [03:54] love, michael [03:59] I was speaking to a LP dev recently, and apparently one reason that it hasn't been open-src'd is that the codebase is a mess :) [03:59] heh === laga gets bitchy because LP is impairing his productivity [04:01] in Ubuntu does Mythtv use realtime threads by default? === bjweeks_ is now known as bjweeks [04:11] good question. [04:22] ps shows mythfrontend.real but I'm not sure [04:23] "mythfrontend.real" is the name of the binary, it's not related the the priority of the display thread [04:26] gah, XVMC still doesn't work with DVDs :( [04:38] gah [04:38] finnaly i'm finished with merging. [04:42] laga, [04:42] merging is supposed to be *easy* [04:42] with bzr [04:42] morning guys [04:46] superm1: how does it work? i still need to do mythplugins :) [04:46] debian/rules:164: *** missing separator (did you mean TAB instead of 8 spaces?). Stop. [04:46] gah. [04:46] well did your branch start from mine? [04:46] as a parent [04:46] or is it completely sep [04:47] i think it's separate [04:48] oh [04:48] well then that's not going to work [04:48] i learned this when merging ubiquity [04:48] hehe [04:48] pretty much they made me take the versioning info they had before my diversion [04:48] otherwise the merge would have been horrid [04:49] i think i deleted your versioning info [04:49] i did a bzr init and copied my branch into that, then ran bzr add * [04:50] well the proper way would have been bzr branch ***** [04:50] and then add your stuff [04:50] and then bzr push to a diffferent **** [04:50] then whenever i wanted to merge you, i would bzr merge your **** [04:50] and whenever you wanted to merge me, it would be bzr merge my **** [04:51] hum. [04:51] gah :'( [04:51] maybe i could start over with a branch of yours [04:51] well there are a few ways to do that, but i think mythplugins will be better by hand [04:51] just use meld [04:52] allright [04:52] meld DIR1/debian DIR2/debian [04:52] and it should be pretty straightforward [04:52] thanks. [05:07] trunk does not build with --tune=i486. [05:07] tuning the code for 486 cpus seems a bit silly to me, too. [05:19] the mythtv developers don't like it either ;) [05:20] dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown substitution variable ${source:version} === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === laga reverts said change [05:49] hey superm1, it says "prerm" in your debian/mythweb.postrm when it should be "postrm" IMHO === tgm4883_laptop [n=tgm4883@c-67-160-174-176.hsd1.or.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:02] Reading this http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-22.html trying to turn off my screen blanking, if I don't have the ServerFlags section in my xorg.conf, there should be any harm in adding it right? [06:22] laga, no [06:22] it shouldnt [06:22] because of the order a2dissite works [06:22] it needs to be that way [06:22] tell me if i'm thinking in the right way here, im just guessing [06:23] and that unknown substition variable [06:23] look at the caps of it [06:23] its supposed to be source:Version [06:23] i think [06:23] nm [06:26] superm1: it's still a typo because your postrm shouldn't print "echo "prerm called with unknown argument" [06:26] superm1: i'll try that, thanks [06:33] ah right :) [06:45] hum [06:46] it still hangs on install. i must have missed something during the merge === runkidrun [n=runkidru@c-71-205-157-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-76.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [06:55] hello, do i need a certain tv tuner card to use mythtv? [06:57] http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/index.php/Video_capture_card [06:57] runkidrun: ^^ [06:57] laga, all i know is that the card came preinstalled with a win xp media center edition [06:58] runkidrun: run "lspci" to find out what card it is [06:59] laga, it looks like an Multimedia video controller: Internext Compression Inc iTVC15 MPEG-2 Encoder (rev 01) [07:00] runkidrun: www.ivtvdriver.org might do the trick [07:00] runkidrun: it should be autodetected in ubuntu feisty and newer [07:00] laga, i'm in dapper :) i <3 stability [07:01] well, auto detected by ubuntu, not by mythtv [07:01] so i am compatible? [07:01] and can go ahead with installation? [07:02] if i can install this, i'd like to make navigating as easy as possible for the others on the pc...is kwintv an option? [07:05] well since kwintv is alpha 1, it would go against your thoughts on stability [07:06] tgm4883_laptop, is this installation difficult? [07:06] second, why are you trying to install mythtv and kwintv? [07:07] tgm4883_laptop, i was just looking around really didn't know they had the same purpose [07:07] tgm4883_laptop, is there any way you could help me install this software? [07:07] do you plan on recording tv, or just watching tv? [07:07] just watching [07:07] right now [07:08] if i remember correctly in an article, recording is difficult [07:08] recording is not more difficult than watching TV [07:08] in fact, it's almost the same in tv [07:08] well if your just going to watch tv, no need for timeshifting, recording, schedules, etc. Then mythtv is more than you need. But if you want to do all of it now or in the future, then go with mythtv [07:08] yea, its not hard at all [07:08] and neither is the install [07:09] please show me the way! [07:09] the articles i found stink! [07:09] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV [07:09] its moi magnifete === tgm4883_laptop hangs his head in shame at his attempt at the french language [07:10] it is going to be a desktop PC as well as a media center? [07:10] c'est mon manifeste [07:10] ? === tgm4883_laptop shrugs [07:11] yes sir desktop also [07:11] uh, i have to make a partition for this stuff? [07:11] its own account? [07:11] i took two years of spanish in high school almost 10 years ago, i don't think it qualifies me to speak french [07:11] i don't get the beginning of the tutorial [07:12] ? [07:12] i'll be honest, i haven't run through the dapper guide, only the edgy and feisty guides, but let me look at it [07:12] okay, thank you [07:12] :) [07:13] OK, you already have dapper installed right? [07:13] does it matter that i use kubuntu? [07:13] (wince) [07:13] superm1: i see you changed some template files to use "_Description" instead of "Description"; do i have to create .po files now? how would i do that? [07:13] no, we should be able to adapt the pertinant parts [07:13] cool. [07:13] dappers already installed? [07:14] runkidrun, couple questions for you [07:15] k [07:15] shoot. [07:15] how big is your hard drive/how big are your partitions, and do you already have dapper installed? [07:15] 166gb hard drive [07:15] 25gb is for vmware install [07:15] but rest is kubuntu [07:16] ok, how much free then? [07:17] laga, think it's better for a fe/be/desktop to have a seperate area for mythtv or combined? [07:17] laga, i'm not sure about how to make the po files properly [07:18] or superm1 ^ [07:18] just copy over the ones i have [07:18] or do a debconf-updatepo [07:18] about 138 or so [07:19] why do you ask? [07:19] trying to figure if we should section off a part for mythtv recordings or not [07:20] runkidrun, do you have the multiverse and universe repos activated? [07:20] neither? [07:20] not sure [07:20] default installation [07:21] just got done 2 days ago [07:21] hmm [07:22] hmm = good/bad? [07:23] im not too familiar with kubuntu, but it shouldn't be a problem [07:23] hope not :) [07:23] hmm = thinkin [07:24] sec [07:24] k [07:24] your familiar with kubuntu, right? [07:24] yeah [07:24] ok [07:24] pretty wel [07:24] well* [07:24] lets fire up synaptic then [07:24] k [07:24] hold on [07:25] i'll brb [07:25] fire it up on my other account [07:25] other account? [07:26] if anyone has any input, im thinking of having runkidrun section off a part of his HD for an XFS partition for mythtv [07:26] in dapper [07:26] um [07:26] not so good? === frost0 [n=pam@c-71-205-157-15.hsd1.mi.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [07:26] if his HDD is already partitioned, he shouldn't add another partition. [07:26] no? [07:26] oky, i'm back [07:26] its runkidru [07:26] ok [07:27] synaptic is up [07:27] sec, were discussing your situation [07:27] frost0, go ahead and go though the setup you repositories section of the guide [07:28] okay, i have a question though [07:28] what was that URL :) [07:28] laga, then leave it as a large 166GB ext3 partition? [07:28] frost0, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV_Dapper_Backend_Frontend_Desktop#head-1baac7a2bcb6d02c743b571975aa6ca590fd0ee3 [07:29] tgm4883_laptop: why not? ext3 is a bit slow for deletes, but i assume it's already formatted and stuff [07:30] tgm4883, here is the difference in kubuntu, i have new repository add, click it and i have to select package, URI, Distribution, Sections [07:31] already formatted, and a fresh install. My only concern was with regards to schedules and storage space. A separate partition would be able to fill up and auto expire things before the drive fills up [07:31] although that can also be fixed with schedules [07:31] yup [07:31] what do i do?!???!!?!? :) [07:31] i wonder if there's still a repository with mythtv 0.20 for dapper [07:32] laga, is there a problem with growing and shrinking partitions [07:32] let me check [07:32] tgm4883_laptop: i consider it dangerous. other people might have different opinions [07:33] doesn't mythtv have a .deb or something or apt-get or something? [07:33] wow said something twice [07:33] frost0, sec [07:34] k [07:34] laga, mythtv (0.20-0.2ubuntu2~dapper1) [07:34] is that current? [07:35] seems so [07:35] ok, its in dapper-backports [07:35] nift [07:35] y [07:35] <- new keyboard [07:35] ok frost0, lets figure out this synaptic [07:36] k [07:36] :) [07:36] regarding your question on .debs and apt-get [07:36] k [07:37] you always want to use apt-get (synaptic is gui version) vs just installing a .deb if you can [07:37] is there apt-get though [07:37] ? [07:37] makes keeping things updated and dependencies much easier to deal with [07:37] yes [07:38] okay, repositories first though, correct? [07:38] thats what synaptic does, just apt-gets it for you using a pretty picture [07:38] yes repos [07:38] ok [07:38] looks like i have to add a ton, but how with this interface? [07:39] since you seem to be familiar with the command line, lets do this old school style (and probably easier too) [07:39] coo [07:39] cool [07:39] do "sudo kate /etc/apt/sources.list" [07:39] or is it kwrite? [07:40] insert your favorite kde editor there [07:40] k [07:40] now what [07:40] sec [07:42] you should have lines that look like this right [07:42] deb http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu dapper main restricted universe multiverse [07:42] well without the universe and dmultiverse [07:43] !pastebin [07:43] pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic) [07:43] i have deb http;//blahbalh/ubuntu dapper main restricted [07:43] yea, add the universe multiverse to the end of that line [07:44] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29929/ [07:44] take a look at it [07:44] :) [07:44] could you edit it and repost it and i'll just copy and paste back? [07:44] plz :) ? [07:44] i have messed up here before [07:45] tgm4883_laptop, , would you say more people use linux or mac os? [07:46] http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29930/ [07:46] were good :) [07:46] thx [07:46] i added the medibuntu repo, and you will need to add your amazing grace repo again [07:46] why again? [07:47] i didn't add it as i just copied and pasted from another source [07:47] so its not in there if you want it [07:47] may i remove plf repository? [07:47] yea [07:48] you can just comment it out with # if you want [07:48] that way you can always reenable it later if you need to [07:48] what about backport, can i get rid of it? [07:48] no [07:49] well [07:49] wait, is mythtv illegal? [07:49] you could, but then you would have an old version of mythtv [07:49] no [07:49] old is fine [07:49] let's go with that [07:49] sec [07:50] superm1, how bad would it be to run mythtv .18 [07:50] frost0, why would mythtv be illegal? just curious [07:50] its not, there are many other things in the backports repo [07:50] it's like a super smart VCR that you can actually program ;) [07:50] some may be illegal, depending on your country [07:50] rouge780, not sure it was in a backport which CAN contain illegal packages [07:50] ah [07:51] if its not legal in U.S., i'm not using it :) [07:51] it's 100% legal in the US [07:51] i don't mess w/ that stuff [07:51] cool [07:51] how, with codecs? [07:51] i thought that was the issue [07:51] frost0, you wont get to use mp3's or dvd's [07:51] not all codecs are illegal [07:51] that is fine [07:51] i know ogg isn't and .wav isn't [07:51] but mp3 is [07:52] and the dvd ones are also [07:52] AFAIK, only the libdvdcss and mp3 codecs contain controversial code [07:52] though are in medibuntu though, whats in backports? [07:52] if the codecs aren't prepackaged with ubuntu, i dont touch em [07:52] "mp3" is not illegal. it might be patented. [07:53] you have to import it from a copy of windows that you own to make it legal [07:53] yo mama might be patented... ;) [07:53] heh [07:53] ah. I own windows 98 SE legally...maybe XP too now that I think aboot it [07:53] I hardly use windows anymore, so I forget [07:53] so what about that old version of mythtv tgm? [07:54] laga? [07:54] or rogue780? [07:55] tgm4883_laptop, sorry, I started using mythtv when .20 came out [07:55] well, I did dabble with .19, but unsuccessfully [07:57] frost0, im thinking its not good. In such a case, I would recommend that you either enable backports to get .20 or upgrade to feisty to get .20 (in feisty, i dont think its in backports). If you do decide to go with .18, I could help you up to the install, but not with any configuring. If you really want to know more about .18 or .20, I would recommend you go to #mythtv-users, or if you want to know more about back [07:57] ports go to #ubuntu [07:57] your decision [07:57] tgm4883_laptop: ? [07:57] well, would downloading from the backport itself be illegal? [07:57] frost0, NO [07:57] could i download it then remove it from my list? [07:57] err, sorry for caps [07:57] laga, frost0 wants to use .18, im thinking thats not such a good idea, but he is worried about the wording of the backports repo, and whether mythtv is illegal [07:57] :) [07:58] n00b [07:58] i can't help him then [07:58] laga, what in backports is illegal, do you know? [07:59] ^ was just wondering your thoughts on .18 [07:59] well, i really don't have anything to worry about really i guess if the package itself is legal...but the repo contains things are not [07:59] i'm still okay [07:59] frost0, sec [07:59] 0.18 is outdated, i wouldn't use it. it's unsupported. [07:59] and i'll remove it after were done [07:59] unsupported and unmaintained [08:00] is that a plan? [08:00] sounds good [08:00] frost0, don't worry about the backports repo. the things you need to install mythtv are not illegal. just don't install mp3 stuff or dvd stuff and you're golden [08:00] if you do that, you will receive no updates for mythtv. [08:01] um [08:01] rogue780: what "mp3 stuff" are you talking about? [08:01] mythtv *needs* "mp3 stuff" [08:01] nuh uh [08:01] ? [08:01] for what> [08:01] ? [08:01] laga, only for myth-music? [08:01] or is it packaged with myth-tv maybe? [08:01] and the mp3 stuff isn't in backports is it? its in PLF [08:02] laga, I'm not entirely certain...I was differing to tgm4883's comment earlier " frost0, you wont get to use mp3's or dvd's" [08:02] mythtv depends on liblame in order to compress the audio from framegrabber tv cards. and liblame0 is in multiverse AFAIK. [08:02] the mythtv developers don't plan on getting rid of the liblame dependency, unfortunately [08:03] hmm [08:03] so its installed either way [08:03] :( [08:03] if that is a dependency then how come .18 is in legal repo? [08:03] 0.18 is in multiverse. [08:03] frost0: how do you play mp3s on your dapper box? [08:04] i don't [08:04] i'm not even sure if liblame0 is illegal. i doubt it, but it's been debated a lot. it's likely covered by a few patents. [08:04] frost0: because it's illegal? [08:04] and because it's in multiverse and not a seperate repo, it contains no warning in the sources.list [08:05] the question is how you feel about it if you own a copy of windows legit [08:05] yes, i don't play them because the codec is shaky [08:06] frost0, might I ask how old you are? [08:06] why? [08:06] just curious I s'pose. [08:06] not an adult [08:06] rogue780 worried about corrupting a minor :) [08:06] j/k [08:07] so, if i'm correct i cannot install this LEGALLY without any doubt === ompaul [n=ompaul@freenode/staff/gnewsense.ompaul] has joined #ubuntu-mythtv [08:08] well, nowadays you can't power up your computer LEGALLY without any doubt, huh? [08:08] frost0: did you get a licence from SCO? [08:08] sco? [08:09] :) [08:09] what is that? [08:09] brb [08:09] frost0: SCO claims that parts of their "intellectual property" somehow became part of the linux kernel, thus infringing their copyright. [08:09] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SCO-Linux_controversies [08:09] claimed* [08:09] Not to mention that MS claims linux violates 235 of their patents [08:09] yup [08:10] although, microsoft failed to show us the code [08:10] claimed, which means you cant be certain [08:10] not to mention there are some really dumb patents [08:10] even Mac OS may have violated the GPL [08:10] patents are patents [08:11] i mean seriously, how can someone patent 3rd person view in video games? [08:11] are patents are patents? [08:11] everyone violates crap. Windows violates patents all the time...they just have enough money to pay for them when they get cot [08:11] under law even stupid patents count [08:11] for 70 years [08:11] I'm going to patent putting your pants on one leg at a time [08:11] no...that's copyright..nm [08:12] then i'll copyright it too [08:12] and trademark [08:12] could someone answer my previous question though? [08:12] I really should never have decided that Windows vs Ubuntu was a good topic for my compare/contrast paper [08:12] rogue780: compare/contrast paper? what's that? [08:12] If you really feel bad about installing mythtv, there are a few other options I think [08:12] such as? [08:13] laga, it's a paper I'm writing for engl101. I have to compare and contrast two "things". I should have chosen penut butter and jelly [08:13] rogue780, laga, is mplayer patented ? [08:13] yep [08:13] i'm sure of that one [08:13] rogue780: heh. now your english class knows you are a geek [08:13] sec [08:13] laga, like there was any doubt [08:14] heh [08:14] so [08:14]