[01:07] <bronson> The gutsy iso doesn't seem to boot under kvm...
[01:07] <bronson> Anyone else notice this?
[01:07] <bronson> Doesn't even make it to the boot loader screen.
[01:08] <crimsun> being more precise about "the gutsy iso" would be a start.
[01:08] <crimsun> e.g., Tribe 1?  Tribe 2?  daily?  which one?
[01:15] <borschty> i have the problem of x using about 415mb of virtual memory, while according to xrestop there are only about 25mb used by applications
[01:15] <crimsun> that's not a problem.  First, how much RAM is mapped for video?
[01:16] <crimsun> i.e., how much video RAM or shared RAM
[01:16] <MugginsM> plus applications tend to use X memory for storing images and stuff
[01:16] <borschty> MugginsM: thats what i checked with xrestop
[01:16] <MugginsM> ah
[01:17] <borschty> crimsun: i had the problem with my radeon 9700 with 128mb internal ram, too... now it is on a intel 915... let me check how much shared memory it gets
[01:18] <crimsun> (II) intel(0): I830CheckAvailableMemory: 1455100 kB available
[01:18] <crimsun> (==) intel(0): VideoRam: 262144 KB
[01:20] <borschty> (II) I810(0): BIOS now sees 12288 kB VideoRAM
[01:20] <borschty> (--) I810(0): Pre-allocated VideoRAM: 7932 kByte
[01:20] <borschty> (==) I810(0): VideoRAM: 65536 kByte
[01:22] <borschty> the problem is not caused by the videoram
[01:22] <crimsun> so at least 65 MB of it is mapped VRAM.
[01:22] <crimsun> ignore 65 of the purported 415.
[01:22] <borschty> and the 25 of the apps
[01:23] <crimsun> next, you need to run xrestop on a _fresh_ X server start.
[01:24] <borschty> haven't tried  on this machine, on my desktop with the radeon the problem was present directly after starting x... but i will try on the laptop, now...
[01:26] <borschty> xrestop gives a total of 3mb now, Xorg takes 340mb of virtual memory according to top
[01:26] <borschty> still way too much
[01:32] <borschty> crimsun: any ideas how to track the problem down?
[01:32] <crimsun> well, is this a clean X session or one loaded with gnome-session, et al.?
[01:33] <thully> mine is taking 393MB on a clean Gutsy install, so this isn't isolated...
[01:34] <borschty> crimsun: gnome, i think i'll test a completely clean server
[01:35] <thully> speaking of Gutsy installs, does anyone know the best way to go about setting up one's system for testing/triaging bugs?  I don't have a system I can dedicate completely to testing...
[01:36] <crimsun> either chroot, or xen/vmware
[01:37] <thully> I figured that may be a good idea, though I did have some tell me chroot was only good for running individual apps and not the whole system..
[01:41] <borschty> 338mb, and just some kb used by the xterm
[01:41] <borschty> clearly an xorg problem
[01:44] <borschty> it has /dev/mem open, which takes 256mb, according to gnome-system-monitor
[01:45] <pwnguin> fyi
[01:45] <kingrayray> hey anybody know of a gutsy-friendly E17 repo?
[01:45] <pwnguin> X holds the memory region for your video card
[01:46] <pwnguin> ergo, it looks much bigger than it really "is"
[01:46] <pwnguin> and if you have a large agp aperature
[01:47] <pwnguin> clearly, process accounting on linux could be improved
[01:47] <borschty> pwnguin VideoRAM: 65536 kByte
[01:48] <MugginsM> if it's using 256M of video ram it *is* still using 256M of ram, should it pretend it isn't?  :)
[01:49] <kingrayray> perhaps it should be more specific as to which ram it's using :P
[01:49] <borschty> i still think ther has to be an bug
[01:51] <pwnguin> borschty: you might start by reading what's already been written about X memory usage
[01:52] <MugginsM> i think the problem is that computers are complex, and a small group of generic numbers can't really describe the real details
[01:53] <borschty> pwnguin: my search on google lead to no usefull results
[01:55] <pwnguin> here's a crappy start http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=889534
[01:56] <pwnguin> http://cbbrowne.com/info/xbloat.html
[02:00] <kingrayray> does anybody run E17 on gutsy? :o
[02:56] <starz> yey?
[02:59] <ryanakca> Why can I only have one reiserfs partition in my LVM? After create one, all the free space afterwards becomes 'unusable'... ... And I've been told that there should only be one device mapper, not two, as was created by the installer?
[03:33] <hwilde> How to force baud rate of mct u232 - serial convert?   dmesg shows this error:  [15308.548000]  drivers/usb/serial/mct_u232.c: MCT USB-RS232: unsupported baudrate request 0x1005, using default of B9600
[03:40] <hwilde> I posted to the wiki in case anybody can help with the baud rate
[03:40] <hwilde> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CarmenSickLaserS300
[03:43] <Stormx2> hwilde: You know, the wiki isn't there for problem solving.
[03:43] <Stormx2> hwilde: I'd imagine that page will be deleted very quickly
[03:45] <hwilde> Stormx2, it is part of a how to, and that is as far as i've got so far, so right now it is a bit problem solving
[03:46] <hwilde> as far as formatting and collaboration, it is great for problem solving.  anybody can post the solution there at anytime
[03:54] <starz> hey
[03:54] <starz> how can i get ubuntu to quit using uuid?
[03:55] <hwilde> !uuid | starz
[03:55] <ubotu> starz: To see a list of your devices/partitions and their corresponding UUID's, run this command in a !shell:  blkid  (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LibAtaForAtaDisks for the rationale behind the transition to UUID)
[03:57] <starz> o no it works great
[03:57] <starz> its when i format one of my partitions into something different -
[03:57] <starz> then the uuid is new - changes with each format
[03:58] <starz> o:
[03:58] <starz> sup masterloki :)
[04:11] <hwilde> Any help with this error from dmesg?   usb 3-1: usbfs: interface 0 claimed by ftdi_sio while 'brltty' sets config #1
[04:11] <shadeofgrey> has anybody here had experrience with installing ubuntu on macbookpro's with the new nvidia graphics chips
[04:16] <pimp31415> mmm
[04:16] <pimp31415> no lm-sensors possible? @_@
[04:23] <sayers> Does AMD64 work well with Gusty?
[04:24] <pimp31415> !work
[04:24] <ubotu> Doesn't work is a strong statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Is it on IRC all the time? Please be specific! Examples of what doesn't work tend to help too.
[04:24] <pimp31415> lol
[04:24] <pimp31415> sayers, its gutsy - experimental - beyond testing - but ive heard its ok?
[04:46] <RoC_MasterMind> If your OK with things that break regularly.
[04:46] <RoC_MasterMind> Wait for it in October if your not.
[04:55] <sn0> nn
[05:08] <emet> I think I'm going to do gutsy on my test machine at work
[05:08] <emet> good idea?
[05:15] <RoC_MasterMind> sure
[05:15] <RoC_MasterMind> it could use the testing
[05:15] <RoC_MasterMind> file your bugs
[05:18] <xtknight> is there a reason firefox is giving me trouble at bootup?  it asks me to create a profile, but when i try and do that i get a fairly obscure error
[05:18] <xtknight> gutsy livecd, that is
[05:18] <xtknight> never mind it seems to have worked, although on the third try
[07:15] <DanaG> c Odd, whenever I select a theme, it jumps to Custom.
[07:27] <HyperCity> hy to all , when i try to use compiz-icon i get this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/29981/ , can someone help me?
[07:31] <DanaG> Is there a plugin that will make everything less bright?
[07:31] <DanaG> Like, a removable color filter?
[07:31] <DanaG> I know there's a plugin, but how do you use it?
[07:31] <DanaG> oops, wrong channel for compiz questions.
[07:33] <DanaG> And why the heck to font-rendering changes no longer apply on the fly?
[07:33] <RAOF> Because the new appearance panel is broke
[07:45] <DanaG> Any easy way to let the old ones coexist with it?
[07:59] <DanaG> I wonder why compiz-fusion is so slow compared to Beryl...
[07:59] <DanaG> oops, /me remembers #ubuntu-effects
[10:56] <nysosym> hi there
[10:57] <nysosym> i have installed the latest daily build of gutsy, but now the system, doesn't start, "no controller found", where is the problem and how can i solve this?
[12:45] <mbone> uhm, I have a problem with ubuntu 7.04 :p
[12:45] <mbone> that is my nvidia
[01:08] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: #ubuntu is for support for 7.04 a;so maybe try #ubuntu-effects as its nvidia related.
[01:08] <gnomefreak> mbone: ^^^ that was for you
[01:10] <mon^rch> how are you guys liking gutsy? I tried an upgarde... borked some stuff... going to try a tribe 2 cd... and wth is gobuntu?
[01:24] <mon^rch> is there no theme changer in gutsy?
[01:27] <mon^rch> hallo?
[01:27] <mon^rch> :P
[01:41] <gnomefreak> mon^rch: system>prefferences>apperance or use control center
[01:42] <gnomefreak> you will notice alot of items now use apperance instead of having an extra menu entry
[02:16] <persia> I've a keymapping issue in X with jp106, and I wondered if anyone could help.  Everything works perfectly in the console, but under X the \(|) key has no response, and the ] (}) key is remapped to \(|).
[02:16] <persia> This is a continuous upgrade from long ago, but under Feisty, neither of the \(|) or \(_) keys worked at all, and the ] (}) key worked normally, so I'm guessing a recent update is responsible for the change.
[02:16] <persia> If anyone has any ideas as to how to determine which package is remapping these (I believe both X and GNOME have remapping agents), or would be able to replicate the issue on a similar keyboard, that would be greatly appreciated.
[02:17] <telexicon> Where is the font configuration dialog, it seems to have disappeared from System > Preferences ?
[02:20] <Trewas> telexicon: font settings are in System / Preferences / Appearance now
[02:20] <telexicon> Trewas, ah, thanks
[02:24] <mon^rch> what's the theme applet program name? I installed gutsy and the theme entry from my menu dissappeared
[02:25] <telexicon> what on earth!?
[02:25] <telexicon> they cant have 2 queens...
[02:26] <telexicon> in gnome chess the gnu chess opponent moved 2 pawns to the other end of the board and got a queen for each one...
[02:31] <elops> i'm using vmware in my windows. I'll try to installing ubuntu in my vmware. my computer is amd athlon xp with 256mb ram and 64mb vga. because i'm using vmware i shared my ram to 128. can u recommended me what ubuntu distro series i must use in my computer?
[02:31] <telexicon> elops, you would most likely want to try the alternate cd
[02:33] <void^> (you most likely don't want to use vmware on that system)
[02:33] <telexicon> void^, agreed
[02:33] <variant> elops: why are you asking here? this is the gutsy development channel
[02:34] <variant> and in #ubuntu i noticed
[02:34] <telexicon> they also asked in main channel.. i wasnt paying attention
[02:34] <variant> channel spam
[02:34] <elops> where should I ask?
[02:34] <variant> #ubuntu-offtopic
[02:34] <elops> ok i did
[02:34] <elops> and no answer
[02:34] <variant> i suggest you read the /topic when you join a channel
[02:35] <variant> !patience | elops
[02:35] <ubotu> elops: The people here are volunteers, your attitude may determine how fast you are helped.  Not everyone is available all the time, likewise not every answer is available instantly. See also http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[02:35] <telexicon> so should i report that chess bug to launchpad or directly to gnome, its not really distro related
[02:36] <telexicon> oh and baobab abort()s on the livecd
[02:36] <Hobbsee> telexicon: if it's not distro related, report it to gnome
[02:36] <telexicon> its a bug in the game logic.. ok.. ill do that
[02:38] <Hobbsee> telexicon: because ti wont be fixed at the distro level, or if it would be, that developer woudl commit ti straight to gnome, and would be seeing all the gnome bugmail, etc, anyway
[02:41] <mon^rch> does the alternate installer install a gui?
[02:41] <telexicon> er, maybe i just dont know chess that well :)
[02:42] <Hobbsee> mon^rch: yes
[02:44] <mon^rch> and compiz fusion is part of gutsy?
[02:45] <Hobbsee> yes
[02:46] <persia> telexicon: It depends on the ruleset.  Both pawn always promotes to queen and pawn only promotes to taken piece are played, but the former is more common (and standard for international tournaments, as far as I recall)
[02:46] <telexicon> persia, yea, i didnt realize that
[02:49] <assasukasse> i was wondering, is it true that tickless kernel will be on gutsy?
[03:01] <variant> assasukasse: do you know what a tickless kernel is?
[03:02] <assasukasse> variant: a tickless kernel is a kernel that doesn't have the "hz" internal clock..it is said it should save energy, and it could be nice for my lap.
[03:04] <telexicon> recently there has been a lot of work going into saving power, using a tickless kernel is just part of it
[03:04] <variant> indeed
[03:06] <telexicon> a lot of programs poll things very frequently so those need to be patched to prevent them from waking up the processor all the time
[03:07] <telexicon> i think eventually linux is going to really shine in power management because the majority of programs are open source so they can all be checked to see if they do things in a way that minimizes wake-ups
[03:07] <finalbeta> But the hardware isn't, so those drivers might drain too much resources anyway
[03:07] <variant> absolutly, the whole free software development model is far superior in that way
[03:08] <telexicon> well a lot of drivers are open
[03:08] <telexicon> the graphics drivers are going to be a problem, and wireless
[03:08] <telexicon> but there are projects to fix that
[03:10] <finalbeta> Wow, allot of effort seems to be going into mobile ubuntu (Just reading ubuntu gusty specs)
[03:10] <telexicon> but i suppose people using the close source graphics drivers (and then 3d graphics) should realize that they are going to end up using a lot of power so...
[03:12] <sn0> hopefully ubuntu will boot on the open moko neo1973 device
[03:13] <telexicon> sn0, why?
[03:13] <sn0> why not is the question i thought :D
[03:14] <telexicon> ubuntu is a desktop oriented distro
[03:14] <sn0> and there are plans for a mobile edition
[03:14] <finalbeta> Hopefully Gusty will boot on my Dell Inspiron without having yo remove the CD rom drive.
[03:14] <sn0> mobile/embedded
[03:15] <sn0> with a version out based on gutsy in oct
[03:15] <telexicon> oh, looks good
[03:15] <sn0> which coincides with the proper release of the treo1973 :D
[03:15] <telexicon> the neo1973 runs linux already, it shouldnt be a problem
[03:15] <sn0> yep
[03:16] <assasukasse> btw, does anyone know if and when an iceweasel package be included in ubuntu
[03:16] <telexicon> assasukasse, why?
[03:16] <spikeb> perhaps as part of gobuntu assasukasse
[03:17] <assasukasse> telexicon: i've been comparing firefox and iceweasel on debian, but iw is faster and eats far less ram
[03:17] <sn0> i heard a while back that icedove would be synced from debian
[03:17] <sn0> but have heard nothing since
[03:17] <telexicon> assasukasse, that doesnt really make much sense..
[03:17] <Hobbsee> no, ice* will not be synced from debian, i'ts on the blacklist
[03:17] <telexicon> assasukasse, iceweasel is just a renamed firefox for license reasons
[03:18] <sn0> okay thx Hobbsee
[03:18] <assasukasse> telexicon: for what i know is not only that..alot of stuffs have been removed
[03:18] <spikeb> then what does gobuntu plan on using for a browser? firefox doesn't fit the definition of free properly.
[03:18] <assasukasse> and toher changed
[03:18] <Hobbsee> spikeb: i have no idea.  possibly epiphany?
[03:18] <spikeb> hehe
[03:18] <spikeb> that would rock
[03:18] <Hobbsee> well, they may choose to unblacklist, and make it conflict with firefox and such
[03:18] <telexicon> um
[03:18] <spikeb> yeah that is what i was thinking.
[03:19] <telexicon> the MPL is an OSI approved license
[03:19] <sn0> personally i would prefer icedove > ephiphany
[03:19] <sn0> *weasel
[03:19] <spikeb> telexicon, firefox has other issues.
[03:19] <sn0> keep getting mixed up on those two :] 
[03:19] <telexicon> they are on google's pay list?
[03:20] <spikeb> telexicon, no. read about the debian/firefox snafu. that should amply demonstrate the issue.. heh
[03:20] <telexicon> the mozilla foundation is just trying to protect the reputation
[03:20] <sn0> the search revenue sure is interesting :)
[03:20] <spikeb> doesn't matter what or why they are doing it :)
[03:21] <telexicon> its theirs, they can do whatever, if they want people to rename it if they modify the code, thats fine by me
[03:32] <telexicon> are there plans to use GPL'd java?
[03:44] <shirish> ubotu gutsy
[03:44] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[03:47] <xtknight> shirish: hey how's it goin
[03:47] <xtknight> long time
[03:48] <shirish> xtknight: ah cool, been here & there
[03:48] <shirish> have been on, but mostly on the mailing lists
[03:49] <xtknight> gutsy tribe 2 didnt boot for me but the latest daily is working good.  im on it right now, actually.  but fairly unstable :P
[03:49] <xtknight> a couple things are unstable.  some things seem fine
[03:49] <spikeb> that makes me nervous
[03:49] <xtknight> i wouldnt recommend it personally at this point
[03:50] <xtknight> and im somebody who does crazy stuff
[03:50] <spikeb> heh
[03:50] <shirish> xtknight: I usually recommend alternate & till date it works fine, but then the machine I have (i845) is an ok stuff
[03:50] <spikeb> that's all i needed to hear
[03:51] <xtknight> early alphas are always kind of unstable, nothing new really
[03:51] <xtknight> so i stick to the live
[03:51] <xtknight> dapper beta was great for me, but then again it was beta.
[03:51] <shirish> xtknight: any interesting app. which you are supporting (upstream) throughout the cycle?
[03:52] <xtknight> shirish: well not yet at least, i did want to get in the gutsy dev cycle since i have all summer off
[03:52] <telexicon> im on tribe 2 and everything is fine
[03:52] <xtknight> shirish: for sure i'll be trying to fix more bugs, etc
[03:52] <xtknight> and reporting existing ones
[03:52] <shirish> same here, tribe 2 + all updates, everything is cool
[03:53] <xtknight> ive had about 10 error reports since i've started it.  tribe 2 didnt even start on my pc
[03:53] <xtknight> probably just bad luck
[03:53] <shirish> xtknight: I do report bugs, what I meant was helping with some project (like I have been trying to play with deluge - a torrent client) and seeing how it fits with python 2.5
[03:53] <telexicon> xtknight, if it didnt boot it was probably a hardware issue, do you have any weird hardware?
[03:54] <Vuen__> hey guys, i'm gonna upgrade to gutsy
[03:54] <Vuen__> wish me luck
[03:54] <xtknight> shirish: nope but i really hope to make some GUI stuff in the future.  the only package i was involved with was bip (bug fix).  havent done any gui or other packages yet
[03:54] <shirish> xtknight: you were using daily or alternate, somehow I feel alternate gives more debug messages
[03:54] <xtknight> shirish: daily livecd
[03:54] <telexicon> shirish, i use deluge on feisty, will it be added to the repos?
[03:54] <xtknight> telexicon: well the core 2 duo is hard on linux sometimes
[03:54] <shirish> xtknight: ah good, if you do make some python based GUI stuff, lemme know I can always test it out
[03:55] <xtknight> and intel i965 chipset/etc
[03:55] <telexicon> xtknight, yea, ive had some issues with those
[03:55] <xtknight> nothing too weird
[03:55] <shirish> telexicon: deluge is there on gutsy
[03:55] <sn0> Vuen__ gl :)
[03:55] <shirish> telexicon: 0.5.2
[03:55] <telexicon> shirish, excellent
[03:55] <xtknight> shirish: ah awesome
[03:55] <xtknight> well i've gotta head out, be back later
[03:55] <shirish> wait
[03:55] <xtknight> heh k.
[03:56] <telexicon> i was looking for something besides azureus because its so big and ive had trouble getting it to run properly
[03:56] <shirish> xtknight: there is a bug about i965 chipsets, maybe that is the issue. lemme track it down
[03:56] <shirish> saw it about an 1/2 hr. ago.
[03:56] <xtknight> shirish: hey thanks, i'll have to check when i get back though (only be an hour or two)
[03:56] <xtknight> i'll be around here a lot more often now
[03:57] <telexicon> whats the story on all these ***MEMORY-WARNING*** g_thread_init() messages?
[03:57] <xtknight> i got those too
[03:57] <shirish> bug 122886
[03:57] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122886 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Intel mobile graphics controller not detected on GMCHB0ICHB0" [Medium,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122886
[03:57] <telexicon> almost every program i run has them
[03:57] <xtknight> when i did universal access something
[03:58] <shirish> bug 119370
[03:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119370 in discover-data "Intel Xorg driver not detected when installing Gutsy Tribe-1 on an Intel GMCHB0ICHB0 motherboard" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119370
[03:58] <xtknight> ah i think that's mobile intle graphics.  i have a card thankfully
[03:58] <shirish> as well as bug 119362
[03:58] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119362 in discover-data "Unknown Intel graphics controller on Intel D63578-200 motherboard" [Medium,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/119362
[03:58] <telexicon> will bullet-proof-x help with things like that?
[03:58] <xtknight> <-- bbiab
[03:58] <shirish> ubotu bullet-proof-x
[03:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about bullet-proof-x - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[03:59] <telexicon> i was reading the blueprint on it
[03:59] <shirish> telexicon: is that a package bullet-proof-x
[03:59] <shirish> oh ok, a link would be helpful
[03:59] <telexicon> basically if the xorg.conf file is bad or missing, or it cant figure things out.. it defaults to 640x480 using vesa and pops up a screen resolution dialog
[04:00] <telexicon> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/bullet-proof-x
[04:00] <shirish> telexicon: 640*480 :( but I guess thats good if you have ancient hardware like p3,celeron, athlon, sempron etc.
[04:01] <telexicon> well it pops up a screen resolution box so you can fix it
[04:01] <telexicon> and tell it what you have maybe
[04:01] <telexicon> oh, they are going with 800x600
[04:02] <telexicon> and if VESA isnt supported, 640x480/16 VGA
[04:02] <shirish> tht's good, have subscribed to the blueprint, will read the wiki entry later.
[04:14] <ShackJack> Gutsy is really rough on my year-old notebook (fglrx/ATI) at times -- XGL & GNOME startup failures, gnome-panel, terminal, gedit, lockups, etc... But on my 5 year old desktop (Nvidia), it runs like a champ!
[04:16] <telexicon> fglrx arent the greatest drivers,
[04:16] <ShackJack> telexicon: That's an understatement, though I never had much trouble on Feisty... Guessing it's some combo of the two... I hate having to use XGL...
[04:17] <ShackJack> And fusion works good when it is running -- it's the starting up in GNOME and other things that's the problem...
[04:18] <ShackJack> Without rebooting entirely, is there another way to refresh things? I always thought dropping to a runlevel 1 does the trick, but it doesn't make any improvment (i.e. XGL/GNOME still lock up unless I reboot)
[04:19] <telexicon> ctrl+alt+backspace will kill the xserver and restart it
[04:19] <telexicon> runlevel usually does the trick, sometimes some apps arent killed
[04:20] <telexicon> if you do a ps aux, there may be a few things still running from your standard user account
[04:20] <telexicon> the other option is, the ati driver is messing something up in the kernel
[04:21] <ShackJack> telexicon: Yep...  Anyone else here having issues with Terminal or Gedit not starting, or crashing gnome-panel/nautilus?
[04:22] <telexicon> although
[04:23] <telexicon> intel's graphics drivers are open source
[04:23] <telexicon> but i dunno if they would be powerful enough for what you want
[04:23] <ShackJack> telexicon: True, though I like the extra ooomph Nvidia provides for Compiz, etc...
[04:52] <telexicon> ShackJack, well they did have to make them powerful enough for Vista's 3d.. so
[04:53] <ShackJack> telexicon: THat's true - you mean the X3100 or whatever they're called? Was trying to google around for specs...
[04:53] <ShackJack> I just want Fusion with my Gutsy and play DVD's movies occassionally - nothin' fancy...
[04:54] <ShackJack> brb
[07:17] <darnell> last time i tried updating to gusty I didnt get any sound
[07:17] <darnell> same thing now?
[07:21] <gnomefreak> darnell: did you make sure its on in alsamixer? what kernel are you using as it was down during migration of new kernel
[07:21] <gnomefreak> oh and btw its not supposed to work anyway
[07:21] <telexicon> When reporting a bug in a gnome program should I also report the bug in ubuntu with a link to the gnome bug report, so if other people report the same bug the bug people dont have to go re-find it?
[07:21] <Hobbsee> telexicon: could be smart
[07:21] <darnell> why isnt it suppose to work?
[07:22] <gnomefreak> darnell: its in early development
[07:22] <gnomefreak> gutsy has a few 3 months or so before its stable
[07:22] <gnomefreak> thats half the time of the ful devel period
[07:22] <gnomefreak> full
[07:23] <gnomefreak> telexicon: file it under the package that the bug is in
[07:23] <telexicon> ok
[07:23] <gnomefreak> add the link to upstream bug if you have it or you can add it after clicking on upstream
[07:56] <telexicon> what are the other -dbgsym packages i need to make things like 0xb7f47410 in __kernel_vsyscall (), show up
[07:59] <teethdood> I'm looking for an app that lists all my movie files (like a media center app). can anyone recommend me one?
[07:59] <telexicon> teethdood, you probably want to ask in #ubuntu
[07:59] <telexicon> this is a development channel
[08:00] <teethdood> I did but my question got drowned out :P just curious if anyone's willing to answer that's all
[08:00] <telexicon> i dont know
[08:01] <telexicon> i dont know of any app that does that, i dont use those kinds of things
[08:06] <DanaG> Something new in 2.6.22-git5:
[08:06] <DanaG>     libata: add FUJITSU MHV2080BH to NCQ blacklist          Please warmly welcome the first member from FUJITSU to the prestigious     NCQ spurious completion club.
[08:06] <DanaG> I have that hard drive, but with a different firmware revision, and I don't have that problem.
[09:37] <DanaG> I found something interesting in pavucontrol:
[09:37] <DanaG> If you grab a volume slider and move your mouse around rapidly, you can end up with the sliders saying 100% but the volume not at 100%.
[09:50] <variant> DanaG: file a bug
[11:43] <Latty> Hey all, trying to upgrade to gusty in Kubuntu, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/119664/ < but getting that.
[11:43] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 119664 in kdepim "Kubuntu upgrade from Feisty to Gutsy failed due to conflicting file in kdepimlibs" [High,Confirmed] 
[11:43] <Latty> how can work around this?
[11:48] <Latty> Ah, appeared to have got it working.
[11:54] <mrsno> Latty please post a workaround if you indeed found one :-)
[12:07] <arpu> hi @all
[12:07] <arpu> can somebody help me to install the icam on a macbook ?
[12:07] <arpu> doi need install the driver ? too in gutsy ?