[04:38] <mpt> mdke, yes. It wouldn't be a panacea: the difficulty of merging updates would be proportional to how different the branches were to begin with. But it would be much easier than re-applying Ubuntu patches after every gnome-docs update.
[04:41] <mpt> We could start doing this even without the GDP doing anything, by getting Launchpad to produce and maintain a Bazaar mirror of the GDP's SVN repository.
[04:41] <mpt> Though that wouldn't solve the licensing problem.
[11:26] <mdke> mpt: well, the licensing problem is best ignored I think - we'd just make any of our changes under the same license as the original, no?
[11:27] <mdke> mpt: but yeah, let's give it a try by getting Launchpad to do such an import. I'd like to know more about how easy/difficult it is to merge/reject updates
[12:01] <mdke> mpt: there is something here already - https://code.launchpad.net/gnome2-user-docs/ - although it really should be called gnome-user-docs and the code hasn't been updated for about a year
[02:32] <mpt> mdke, there's no problem with making our changes under the same license, but per the FDL (like any of the CC BY licenses), each file would accumulate a list of all the people who have ever contributed to it
[02:32] <mpt> which would bloat them over time
[02:33] <mpt> cd. the comments in <http://diveintomark.org/archives/2007/03/05/cc-dogs>
[02:33] <mpt> cf., rather
[02:47] <mpt> Also, the current position of the GDP is apparently that by using centralized version control, they are editing the same document, and therefore don't need to change its title with every act of copying/distribution
[02:47] <mpt> Using distributed version control, that wouldn't even pretend to be true
[02:48] <mpt> because everyone who was worth merging from would have their own variation.
[03:09] <mdke> mpt: hmm. Are you saying we wouldn't be able to maintain a branch with our own changes (including attribution) to the gnome docs?
[03:44] <mpt> mdke, I am not a lawyer, but from my reading of the license, we wouldn't be able to do that practically with the current Gnome docs
[03:44] <mpt> because, for example, we'd be required to retitle every work we modified
[03:45] <mpt> "You may copy and distribute a Modified Version of the Document ... provided that you ... Use ... a title distinct from that of the Document, and from those of previous versions"
[03:45] <mpt> "You may use the same title as a previous version if the original publisher of that version gives permission."
[03:46] <mpt> "List on the Title Page, as authors, one or more persons or entities responsible for authorship of the modifications in the Modified Version, together with at least five of the principal authors of the Document (all of its principal authors, if it has fewer than five), unless they release you from this requirement."
[03:46] <mpt> "Add an appropriate copyright notice for your modifications adjacent to the other copyright notices."
[03:46] <mpt> etc
[03:48] <mpt> all cruft that users shouldn't have to see
[04:03] <mdke> mpt: oh, expletive
[04:04] <mdke> mpt: although, I suppose that since we'll just be modifying the user guide, we could call it the "Ubuntu User Guide"
[04:12] <mpt> A guide to the care and feeding of Ubuntu users? :-)
[04:14] <mdke> mpt: well, given the way the guide is presented in our help system, they wouldn't see the title much anyway, and it would just be s/Gnome/Ubuntu
[04:14] <mdke> or we can just think of another name
[04:14] <mpt> yeah
[04:15] <mpt> and for our version we could say "any modified version is allowed to use the same title"
[04:16] <mdke> mpt: right
[04:16] <mdke> mpt: so do you know how to request a vcs import?
[04:17] <mpt> not in detail
[04:17] <mpt> but it's described on Launchpad
[04:19] <mdke> i didn't see it immediately
[04:36] <mpt> https://help.launchpad.net/VcsImports
[04:39] <mdke> mpt: thanks. Ok I've requested one for https://launchpad.net/gnome-user-docs/trunk
[10:51] <fidusz> hi everyone
[10:54] <jjesse> hello fidusz
[10:54] <fidusz> I'd like to improve the docs on the HowToMD5SUM pages + UbuntuHashes more useful for Linux users
[10:54] <jjesse> ok
[10:56] <fidusz> I1ve jsut noticed when hunmaat put the howtomd5sum on the ubuntu.hu docs that on the official ubuntu docs you suggest the users to compare the hashes _visually_ :O
[10:56] <fidusz> although the is the -c parameter fo md5sum
[10:56] <jjesse> and it should be done differently? then edit it to match
[10:56] <fidusz> md5sum -c ubuntu-6.10-desktop-i386.iso
[10:57] <fidusz> all we would need to have the hashes downloadable as a file from the site
[10:58] <fidusz> ot just link this: http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/MD5SUMS
[10:59] <fidusz> 1) cd download_director
[10:59] <fidusz> 2) wget http://releases.ubuntu.com/7.04/MD5SUMS
[11:00] <fidusz> 3) md5sum -c ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.i
[11:00] <fidusz> sorry: 3) md5sum -c ubuntu-7.04-desktop-i386.iso
[11:00] <fidusz> thats it
[11:01] <fidusz> 1) cd download_directory
[11:04] <fidusz> jjesse: I think this is easier for the users
[11:04] <fidusz> It would be useful to change it on the dosc site: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM
[11:06] <jjesse> fidusz: i think all you to do is creae an account or sign in or something  to edit ,so go ahead and make the changes
[11:07] <fidusz> jjesse: sorry, I didn't know how restricted is the docs site...
[11:07] <fidusz> I'll try it
[11:07] <jjesse> fidusz: it's been awhile since i've edited somehting on help.ubuntu.com
[11:08] <fidusz> Oh, I see, it already uses launchpad accounts. much easyer
[11:08] <fidusz> easier
[11:08] <jjesse> yueah i didn't remember how it worked
[11:26] <fidusz> ok, changed the text: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowToMD5SUM#preview
[11:27] <jjesse> looks good to me
[11:35] <fidusz> jjesse: thanx!
[11:35] <jjesse> mp
[11:35] <jjesse> np
[11:35] <fidusz> I updated the ubuntu.hu version too
[11:35] <jjesse> awesome