=== Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-motu === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:18] Okay, when trying to build a package with dpkg-buildpackage -S -rfakeroot , I get "gpg: [stdin] : clearsign failed: secret key not available" I do have a secret key, and I have already exported GPGKEY=39A34D3B (which is my key id) [12:18] any idea as to what I need to do to resolve this? === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Subhuman [n=jack@host86-143-235-27.range86-143.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === ceros [n=user@c-76-111-84-156.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === RainCT [n=RainCT@77.210.97.70] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === Pumpernickel [n=Pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:40] I'm slow, but it's one of 1) GPG-agent not working due to missing variables, 2) incorrect email in key, 3) incorrect email in changelog, 4) incorrect email in DEBEMAIL, or 5) incorrect GPG configuration. Perhaps the IRC log will be helpful to someone. === Flannel [n=flannel@cpe-76-176-22-229.san.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-motu === TheMuso_ [n=luke@ppp59-167-167-145.lns4.syd6.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === vbabiy [n=vbabiy@pool-71-164-85-238.albyny.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Megaqwerty [n=megaqwer@unaffiliated/megaqwerty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:55] anyone? [12:55] Megaqwerty: Sorry: I answered whist you were away. [12:56] ah, what was the answer? [12:56] Megaqwerty: First, are you building source in feisty or gutsy? If feisty, you may need to set some variables to get your gpg-agent to work. [12:56] feisty [12:56] 18:40 < persia> I'm slow, but it's one of 1) GPG-agent not working due to missing variables, 2) incorrect email in key, 3) incorrect email in changelog, 4) incorrect email in DEBEMAIL, or 5) incorrect GPG configuration. Perhaps the IRC log will be helpful to someone. [12:57] Megaqwerty: OK. That's probably it then. Are you using seahorse, or gpg-agent as a GPG Agent? [12:57] i dont think its gpg-agent [12:57] nor seahorse [12:57] indeed [12:57] gnomefreak: is correct, I know not of either [12:57] i have both both work fine feisty and gutsy [12:57] gnomefreak: Really? Do you have anything special in ~/.devscripts in feisty? [12:57] i would make sure changelog is correct as set in your DEBEMAIL in ~/.bashrc [12:58] persia: no nothing i changed [12:58] Megaqwerty: OK. Next, make sure that you have DEBEMAIL set, that it matches the last changelog entry, and that it matches one of the emails on your key. [12:58] didnt even know that was created === Megaqwerty [n=megaqwer@unaffiliated/megaqwerty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [12:58] sorry about that [12:58] Megaqwerty: OK. Next, make sure that you have DEBEMAIL set, that it matches the last changelog entry, and that it matches one of the emails on your key. [12:59] so... export DEBEMAIL=myemail in the end of .bashrc? [12:59] Megaqwerty: That could work, but for troubleshooting, try just running export DEBEMAIL= in the terminal first. If it works, adding it to .bashrc makes sense. [01:00] assuming your not using bzr bd [01:00] export GPGKEY=keyid would be helpful as well if its not already there [01:01] gnomefreak: Already done :) [01:01] i have 6 exports in ~/.bashrc and just going through them to make sure you have them :) === persia has 0 exports in .bashrc, and everything works [01:02] 1 is ther eby default [01:02] you better have 1;) [01:02] export HISTCONTROL=ignoredups [01:02] I have exported the correct key [01:02] gnomefreak: mine's commented out :) === gnomefreak wonders if DEBEMAIL takes full name as well as email [01:02] persia: ah [01:03] im gonna assume no since i have 2 lines [01:03] well...that didn't work [01:03] (DEBEMAIL) [01:04] it is the same email in the changelog, and my gpg key [01:04] persia: maybe you had added an email to your key? [01:04] pastebin the uids from your key and the complete top changelog entry. [01:04] Megaqwerty: Hmmm.. Could you try setting DEBEMAIL to be "Name in changelog "? === gnomefreak thinks that would have been to easy to ask :( === Pumpernickel [n=Pumperni@about/essy/bacon/PuMpErNiCkLe] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] hint dont put anything in that setting but email === doko_ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-075-099.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:05] Ah, man I hate to go when I'm getting so much support, but I have to...I'll be back later, hopefully I'll get as much help as I am having now then. [01:05] bye. [01:05] Megaqwerty: Good luck. [01:05] i thought persia was having issues [01:06] gnomefreak: Nope - things work great for me: I blame Mr. Kowalik :) === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Megaqwerty [n=megaqwer@unaffiliated/megaqwerty] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:11] okay, so I forgot I have another hour :-\ [01:12] So, I had just tried exporting DEBEMAIL and GPGKEY variables to no avail. [01:13] persia, gnomefreak, you guys still here? [01:13] 19:04 < crimsun> pastebin the uids from your key and the complete top changelog entry. [01:13] Megaqwerty: Great. Does it work with the expanded DEBEMAIL setting? If not, could you please put the last changelog entry and the uuids from your key in a changelog entry for examination? [01:14] persia: expanded? Oh, add my full name and to the variable? [01:14] Megaqwerty: Right. [01:14] Probably a DEBFULLNAME thing. [01:15] (and comments in GPG key id) [01:15] minghua: oh, I should declare DEBFULLNAME? [01:15] minghua: likely. I always force that in DEBEMAIL, but that's just me. [01:15] Hello crimsun and persia BTW. :-) [01:16] nope, I'll just pastebin the requested info. [01:16] Megaqwerty: as crimsun said, paste your changelog entry and key uid in pastebin so that people can look. [01:16] hello minghua [01:16] minghua: Good evening [01:17] In my computer /etc/init.d/rcS do not seem to be executed in initialization (it isn't in /etc/rc*.d), does anyone know why? [01:17] Megaqwerty: The point is to make the changelog entry and your gpg key id match, there are multiple ways to achieve it, DEBFULLNAME is one of them. [01:17] I executed stat /etc/rc*.d/*|grep init.d/rcS , it returns nothing [01:18] persia: Yeah, it always bother me that dpatch doesn't want to read DEBFULLNAME, maybe I should force it in DEBEMAIL, too. [01:18] (In contrast, stat /etc/rc*.d/*|grep init.d/urandom returns the correct links for urandom) [01:18] EliasAmaral: You likely want a support channel. I'd suggest checking in #ubuntu or #ubuntu+1 (depending on which release you use) [01:18] http://megaqwerty.pastebin.ca/619703 [01:19] minghua: Yep. That was one of my motivations. [01:19] persia, you are right, sorry. i am asking here because apparently #ubuntu is so hight-traffic that nobody could see my question [01:19] Megaqwerty: "(Repository Key" is missing in your changelog, or spuriously added to your key. [01:20] persia: what is the syntax for such? [01:20] Umm... " (Repository Key) " [01:20] Well...I mean, could you give me an example entry [01:20] Megaqwerty: As persia said. Add "(Repository Key)" after your name in changelog can work around it. [01:21] okay [01:21] Megaqwerty: You just need to make sure the name in the changelog (from DEBEMAIL when using dch) exactly matches the entire name in the gpg key. [01:21] I didn't realize you meant the comment [01:21] Megaqwerty: if you want dch/debchange to automatically generate a correct changelog entry for you, you need to adjust some other things. [01:22] There are a documentation about the inicialization of Ubuntu? I am reading http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html and it says /etc/init.d/rcS must be executed [01:25] that did it, thanks [01:25] Megaqwerty: Great. [01:25] minghua: how would I get dh_make to automatically do that for me? [01:25] minghua: or is that something I'll just have to change myself every time? [01:25] Megaqwerty: Not sure. I personally object using dh_make, and don't know much about it. [01:26] minghua: haha okay. [01:26] Megaqwerty: for generate changelog entries after you've already done the initial packaging, you should use dch command. [01:26] Megaqwerty: dh_make doesn't help you after the initial packaging anyway (AFAIK). [01:27] minghua: no, I don't believe it does. === persia suggests that the contents of usr/share/debhelper/dh_make/debian/ can be useful reference even when not using dh_make to create a package, and that the result is sometimes easier to get clean than actually executing dh_make [01:29] EliasAmaral: lsb_release -r [01:29] crimsun, Release: 7.04 [01:29] EliasAmaral: ok, so $EDITOR /etc/event.d/rcS [01:30] ok [01:30] Hint: read the upstart documentation. [01:30] ah. /etc/event.d is the config directory of upstart? [01:31] Yeah, and stop following everything on Debian Reference if you are using Ubuntu. === persia thinks that the Debian Reference contains much useful information, even if not all is applicable to Ubuntu [01:32] it's absolutely useful if not absolutely relevant ;) [01:32] minghua, yeah, but.. i always installed / removed things in ubuntu initialization using the old initialization system. i don't know how to operate upstart (and never needed before today) === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] Hmm, I didn't know upstart has such compatibility with the init system on Debian. === apacheLAGger [n=me@N904P031.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:34] update-rc.d and invoke-rc.d still works (ok, now you said that i am not sure..) [01:35] Which release did upstart become default? Feisty? [01:35] edgy [01:37] EliasAmaral: update-rc.d has nothing to do with it. They manage sysvinit-style scripts. Currently upstart provides sysvinit compatibility. [01:37] But sysvinit-style scripts doesn't form the init system on Debian? [01:38] AFAIK they still do, but I don't pretend to follow current *init* dev in Debian. [01:40] I think sysvinit is still the default in unstable right now, but there are talks to change the init system. [01:40] Debian is usually slow on such kind of changes. === TLE [n=kenneth@217.74.211.126] has joined #ubuntu-motu [01:42] right, I see http://wiki.debian.org/MetaInit, etc., from https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2007-June/023910.html [01:48] Hello... Do I need to provide the whole license (if it differs from GPL) in the debian/copyright, or just some part? This license in particular: http://www.statistica.unimib.it/utenti/dellavedova/software/artistic2.html [01:50] I see there is Artistic License in /usr/share/common-licenses, but this one is Clarified Artistic License :unsure:... [01:51] Jazzva: the complete license text should be included in debian/copyright [01:52] Jazzva: The easiest way to check is to run diff between the license included in the source and the license included in /usr/share/common-licenses. If there are any differences, you need to put it all in debian/copyright. === vorlon proposes the Clarified Butter License [01:52] geser, persia: Ok, thanks :). [01:53] CBL :-) === persia thinks the CBL would be extra free, mandating the removal of various otherwise interesting things === persia grumbles about native packages that are also distributed in fedora === Umngane [n=log@190-82-2-13.adsl.cust.tie.cl] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Megaqwerty [n=megaqwer@unaffiliated/megaqwerty] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === hroo772 [n=hroo772@63.210.44.7] has joined #ubuntu-motu === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-motu [] === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #ubuntu-motu === `23meg [n=m@ubuntu/member/-23meg] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has joined #ubuntu-motu === javier_galicia [n=Javier@189.130.231.178] has joined #ubuntu-motu === KristianLy [n=kristian@ti211310a081-9544.bb.online.no] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jussi01 [n=jussi@dyn3-82-128-187-102.psoas.suomi.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Bassetts [n=Bassetts@unaffiliated/bassetts] has joined #ubuntu-motu === EliasAmaral [n=dark@unaffiliated/EliasAmaral] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === jdong grumbles about squid taking 30s to stop.... === jdong adds a quick kill on squid when nobody's looking :D [04:17] Hi jdong. === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-motu === astro76 [n=james@unaffiliated/astro76] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:25] hi Fujitsu [04:25] long time no talk :) [04:26] how's life been around here? [04:27] I've been rather busy with year 12 and work and various other things, so not as much Ubuntu time lately :( [04:28] ah [04:29] likewise; I've been pretty occupied with other stuff recently too [04:29] though my schedule is starting to return to normal again [04:29] not to mention I've started to Use The Dark Side (tm) more as I've been on the road... [04:30] Noooooo. [04:30] lol [04:30] it's still *nix though ;-) [04:30] OS X? [04:30] I will attempt a dual boot setup tomorrow for curiousity's sake, but initial research appears pretty iffy. [04:31] yeah, black macbook [04:31] Ah. [04:31] it's an alright operating system [04:31] So I've heard. [04:31] the one thing I really appreciate is how well suspend/resume works [04:31] quite literally it's done resuming before I can get the lid back up. [04:31] They can manage that fairly well with their incredibly restricted hardware. [04:31] Wow. [04:31] yeah, and I have resumed/suspended in excess of 50 times once, before rebooting for an update [04:32] sadly Ubuntu can't do that yet on any of my systems :( [04:32] but yeah, their full control over their hardware platform definitely makes this easy for them [04:33] but on a trip when my main usecase is mapping software, the macbook is a clear winner... [04:33] On the latest kernel my laptop has no problems, but it still takes a few seconds. On older kernels there would occasionally be issues like the LCD not turning on, PS/2 stuff being missing, etc. [04:33] i.e. open up every 30 minutes to look at map for 5 minutes [04:33] ah, that's very cool [04:33] my Ubuntu lappie has an ATI GPU, which is a major PITA for suspend [04:33] Ah, I'm all Intel. [04:33] it has like a 90% success rate, but when it fails it hardlocks on resume :( [04:34] which tends to make me not trust suspend at all [04:34] I really want to give Ubuntu a shot on this macbook [04:34] just haven't found the time yet to deal with the install procedure [04:35] and also, OS X on this thing is Just Work (tm)ing , so I don't have terribly great motivation to change things radically === riot_le [n=riot@83-221-78-9.dynamic.primacom.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [04:36] I want to get MOTU-ship before summer ends though [04:36] if that's the only thing I accomplish this summer... === riot_le [n=riot@83-221-78-9.dynamic.primacom.net] has left #ubuntu-motu [] [04:45] StevenK: lol === xchat [n=brendt@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:01] Oh man. Managed to get myself shaped. [05:02] oh dear [05:02] Well at least Ubuntu mirrors from my ISP are quota free, and hense at full speed. === Ash-Fox [i=UNKNOWN@fgd182.internetdsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #Ubuntu-motu [05:04] TheMuso: how big an allowance do you have? [05:04] Hobbsee: 20GB [05:04] Dropping to 10GB next month. [05:04] sheesh [05:05] and you managed to run thru that... [05:05] Unfortunately its not me who pays the biggest slice of the bill atm. [05:05] Twas CD images mostly. Gobuntu, and updating all other CD iages. [05:05] images even [05:05] ahhh [05:05] using rsync? [05:05] Yes. [05:06] wow [05:06] But rsync doesn't magically make grabbing extra cds like the gobuntu cd, or the serveraddon cd for edubuntu smaller in download. [05:06] TheMuso: Wouldn't most of gobuntu be the same as ubuntu? [05:06] Not to mention getting those cds for both i386 and powerpc. [05:07] Fujitsu: Yeah probably, I didn't think of that at the time however. [05:07] Heheh. [05:07] TheMuso: oh, true [05:07] also, my ISP will tend to mirror the released cds, i fasked [05:08] Well thats alright for release CDs... [05:08] but dailies are another story. [05:08] (and tribes) === TheMuso requested that internode host tribes. [05:08] true [05:08] DOn't know if they will yet. [05:08] no point in trying teh dailies yet anyway [05:08] I also requested they host the ports releases. [05:09] But its good to keep up. [05:09] Hobbsee: Who are you with? [05:10] Fujitsu: hellstra [05:10] At least the alternate CDs are usable. [05:10] TheMuso: not if they're not acutally building properly === Hobbsee --> lunch [05:10] true. [05:10] Hobbsee: Haha. === Fujitsu generally only uses alternates, and has a local mirror, so ISOs don't require much bandwidth. [05:11] It would be nice to have a system to construct live CDs, like what jigdo does for alternates. [05:15] You'd have to rebuild the squashfs locally. [05:17] Any MOTUs here willing to give some advice on modifications to a package on REVU? [05:17] Fujitsu: Yeah I know === Jazzva [n=sasa@cable-89-216-184-157.dynamic.sbb.co.yu] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Kopete] === xchat [n=brendt@c-76-26-103-132.hsd1.nm.comcast.net] has left #ubuntu-motu ["Ex-Chat"] === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-motu [05:43] Heya RAOF. [05:43] Heya TheMuso [05:58] TheMuso: Whyfor laughing at me? [05:58] StevenK: Re-uploading those packages for the transition. [05:58] Yeah, well. [05:59] it's for the karma boost === Fujitsu wonders if he can find a new libgeda ABI to upload to irritate StevenK. [06:00] Uploads are still karma-less, aren't they? [06:00] Fujitsu: Keep talking, I'm reloading. [06:00] StevenK: Correct. === Fujitsu chats. === StevenK kicks Launchpad. [06:01] Why? [06:01] What has it done now,? [06:01] Surely stuff that I uploaded at 12:10 should have published by now [06:01] No... === man-di_ [n=mkoch@dyndsl-080-228-196-081.ewe-ip-backbone.de] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:01] It'll be published in about 3 minutes, and head the mirrors by about 20 to. [06:01] *head to [06:01] But it should have hit the 1:05 publisher run? [06:01] StevenK: i believe there's a spec on more karma for uploads :P [06:02] StevenK: Sssh, quiet you. [06:02] Hobbsee: And there has been for quite some time. [06:02] needs shoving [06:02] It's high priority, I think, but... [06:03] Last action on it was "cprov 2006/06/22: issues clarified, back to 'review'" [06:03] Isn't the encouraging? [06:04] heh [06:04] probably with the karma review? [06:04] then again, i'd prefer him doing the ppa stuff than karma [06:05] StevenK: It was published about a minute ago now. [06:05] It seems the 0303Z publisher didn't do much. [06:06] I was hoping they'd publish and build while I was lunching. That didn't happen. [06:06] Soyuz is very reliable. [06:06] I wonder if you'll have the luxury of having the buildmaster queue some builds for you this round? [06:08] Hopefully. [06:08] If cron.daily stuffs up the buildmaster often seems to sit around doing nothing for a while. [06:09] That could be IPC screwing up. [06:09] Possibly. [06:09] (I'm guessing) [06:09] I don't recall how they interact. === Fujitsu loosk. [06:15] Hah, bug #54946 [06:15] Launchpad bug 54946 in soyuz "buildd handling lives in ivory tower of perfect networks" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54946 [06:15] Muahaha [06:16] hahahahaha nice [06:16] Good $TIME_OF_DAY all. [06:16] Hi ScottK. === ScottK is back from an unexpected run to Hospital. === StevenK waves to ScottK === Hobbsee --> work [06:17] 13 year old fell down the stairs and sprained her foot. [06:17] Crutches for her now. [06:17] Fun fun. [06:17] Neat. [06:17] heh [06:17] ScottK: How many stairs? [06:18] She leaves for a two week camp tomorrow, so I wanted to be sure we knew what it was before she left. [06:18] ouch [06:18] Last time I fell down the stairs, I put my foot through a window. [06:18] (I was about eight) [06:18] ouch [06:18] StevenK: Not sure. It's a full flight. Dunno where she was when she lost it. [06:18] ScottK: She's okay aside from the sprain? [06:18] Yeah. [06:19] Sprained, and shaken, not stirred? [06:19] She handled it remarkable well. Very mature and controlled. Didn't freak out at all. [06:19] Yeah. [06:19] Camp, with crutches. Fun. [06:20] Yep. Maybe she'll learn something about running on the stairs.... [06:20] haha [06:20] Heheh. [06:20] Heh, maybe. [06:20] Also, it's math/science camp. It's more like going to University than camp. [06:21] I'm bad when it comes to stairs. I will usually go up and down taking two at a time. [06:21] You're legally an adult and responsible for your own actions, so whatever works for you. [06:21] She's not, so .... === Fujitsu wonders if the Soyuz guys have heard of AS in FROM clauses... the query in bug #62428 is rather unreadable. [06:21] Launchpad bug 62428 in soyuz "can't remove packages any more" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/62428 === Fujitsu does 2 or 3 most of the time, but is yet to do worse than hitting his head on the start of the ceiling and lieing down for a number of minutes. [06:23] ScottK: You say that like you're sure. :-P === ScottK is reasonably sure. [06:25] Fujitsu: When I was in the Navy, I knew a guy that had done the same (hit is head) on a ship where the thing you hit is steel and been knocked unconcious with a concussion. [06:25] Ow. This was just wood. [06:26] Ouch. Bulkhead's *hurt* [06:26] s/'// [06:26] Hmph [06:26] Yes. I have hit my head on them, but not that hard. [06:26] Fujitsu: I don't see how AS helps that mess. Also, yay for the magic numbers... [06:27] I think I fell down from stairs and was knocked unconscious once when I was very young, but I'm not so sure. [06:27] StevenK: it means you don't have a million and one BinaryPackagePublishings. === StevenK tries to get his fuzzy brain to co-operate. [06:28] geser: i added the total number of uploaders [06:29] currently there have been 206 people [06:29] who have uploaded to Gutsy [06:29] That will be somewhat off due to multiple email addresses :( [06:30] Fujitsu: yeah i will have to fix that [06:30] hold on [06:30] I know, you can use LP's excellent machine-parseable interface. [06:30] let me try something [06:30] To work out which email address is owned by who. [06:31] Fujitsu: it is ok [06:31] i have a way :) [06:32] Fujitsu: there's a machine parseable interface? [06:32] jdong: No, that would be too easy. [06:32] Fujitsu: don't excite me like that! [06:32] :P === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:33] joejaxx: What about a top ten of who's uploaded? [06:33] It's probably a bit hard, if you count Changed-By, you count multiple addresses of the same person; if you count GPG keys, you miss sponsored uploads. [06:33] alright [06:33] the REAL number is 162 [06:33] StevenK: that is already on there :P [06:33] StevenK: That's already there.. [06:33] What's the URL? [06:33] I forgot. [06:33] ubuntu.joejaxx.org === ScottK test builds qt4-qtruby (aka libqt4-ruby) AGAIN. [06:34] let me run it again with the updated code [06:34] Heya jdong. [06:34] Hah! Number #4! [06:34] howdy ScottK === ScottK has been busy on backports. === Fujitsu has only uploaded 34, but that doesn't count syncs. [06:34] Archive admins haven't groaned yet. [06:34] thanks ScottK for your help with backports :) [06:34] ok updating [06:34] lol [06:35] just sit in -devel... you'll hear them groan on next archive day :D [06:35] I think my record is I pushed through like 30 in a week [06:35] Funny thing I suddenly don't have any more backport requests pending. [06:35] and I got a good groan :D [06:35] jdong: :P [06:35] but ScottK 's probably beaten that record already === StevenK slammed the buildds with 70 uploads over a 24 hour period. [06:35] No. [06:36] too bad i will never be on that list :\ [06:36] good news is that my ruby-on-rails auto-triager is closer than ever to working [06:36] jdong: lol auto-triager? [06:36] I may have done that many "Invalid - Backports is for feature requests. Use the SRU process for bug fixing". === Fujitsu has only uploaded/synced 59 packages this cycle :( [06:36] jdong: you are wrecking lp with that? [06:36] joejaxx: yeah, you fill out a simple form and the server attempts a build for you [06:36] joejaxx: and if it succeeds, spits out an APT repo with binaries [06:37] oh [06:37] jdong: *Ouch* That's cool! [06:37] i thought you meant bug triager [06:37] it should filter out FTBFS and otherwise invalid backports [06:37] not to mention cut down on the whining of "when are packages gonna arrive?" === StevenK moves onto doing some *spit* Debian sponsoring work. [06:39] in Singapore, I understand that's a caning offense [06:39] lol [06:39] Careful, he might like that. [06:39] nixternal: when you get back ping me :) [06:39] Singapore is a *fine* city. [06:39] caning? [06:39] They do do that there. [06:39] joejaxx: Thin rod they beat you with. [06:40] someone should come out with a book of rules for ever country [06:40] or that contains rules from every country rather [06:40] StevenK: oho k [06:40] oh ok* [06:40] Actually, I have a shirt from Singapore that shows some of the offenses and punishments. [06:41] Like, no dancing in public. === tonyyarusso [n=anthony@ubuntu/member/tonyyarusso] has joined #ubuntu-motu === jdong quibbles at ktorrent maintainer's response [06:43] jdong: What was it? [06:43] Me: "What SVN revision did you fix the bug in?" [06:43] Him: "err.... idn too lazy to check :D" [06:43] Lovely. [06:43] upstream, rather. [06:43] :D [06:43] yay, now I get the excitement of reading svn changelogs from ktorrent [06:43] ok [06:43] the stats now correctly display the right number [06:43] 162 [06:45] :) [06:45] so we have 162 people who have uploaded to gutsy up until this point [06:45] cool [06:46] cool === jdong built a gutsy-changes parser for the backports webui [06:46] though I am pretty sure I won't include it in the public version [06:46] it won't be long before people just click every single upload for backports triage :D [06:46] backports webui? [06:47] a little thing in development :) [06:47] oh ok [06:48] one step closer to one-click backports [06:49] jdong: We don't need MORE requests. We need BETTER requests. [06:49] ScottK: I understand; but at least this way we don't have to spend 15 minutes on a request only to find out they don't build === Fujitsu writes a procmail rule to automatically create a backport bug for each gutsy-changes email :P [06:50] Fujitsu: LOL [06:50] haha we could just have the buildd's do that :D === DarkMageZ [n=richard@ppp59-167-16-86.lns2.syd7.internode.on.net] has joined #ubuntu-motu [06:51] My favorite so far was the GCC 4.2 backport request. No risk there. [06:51] :) [06:51] Why? Doesn't gcc-4.2 backport overwrites libgcc1 and libstdc++6? [06:51] if it didn't generate replacement library packages that weren't named -4.2, it would've worked :D [06:51] minghua: that's exactly what they do... === ScottK just read the backports rules where compilers are listed as a strict no no and marked invalid. [06:52] Good rule. [06:52] it is a good general rule :0 [06:52] :) [06:56] ScottK: But why won't you backport libc!? [06:57] Because Mithrandir would book a flight, come to my house and eat me. [06:57] Heh, yeah well. [06:57] self preservation is a good motivator. [06:58] Aww, crap. Xgl FTBFS === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:04] jdong: Got a minute to discuss backports triage policy? [07:04] ScottK: sure, go ahead [07:05] I was thinking with the new bug status in LP... === ivoks [n=ivoks@5-241.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-motu [07:05] We could make Confirmed mean that the bug has the required information and meets the basic policy requirements - Is ready for testing. [07:06] Then make Triaged mean that the bug has been tested and is thought to be ready to be ack'ed to the archive. [07:06] Does that make sense? [07:06] yeah, that makes sense [07:06] Maybe the other way around? [07:06] hmm... [07:06] actually... [07:06] the other way is probably better [07:06] Triaged is "I've looked at it, and it has my rubber stamp" ; Confirmed is "Boot it into the archive" [07:06] because people understand already "Confirmed" to mean a successful build attempt [07:08] Well in the heirarchy of LP, Triaged comes after Confirmed. So that would be backwards of the progression Ubuntu uses. [07:09] I agree it makes sense though if you think of the semantics of the actual words. [07:09] What do people think about a new Xgl git snapshot to fix the stuff the new mesa has broken? [07:09] RAOF: aww that happened again? :( [07:09] RAOF: What's it going to break? [07:09] ScottK: nothing [07:09] ScottK: Xgl git snaps don't affect anything outside of them === ScottK has heard that before. [07:09]