=== claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-54-80.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
jjessethat sucks01:18
=== erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #kubuntu-devel
ryanakcaErm, should the installer try to mount swap? http://pastebin.ca/621144 , If so, I'll file a bug saying that it repeatedly fails, if not, I'll file a bug against debian-installer saying that it tries to mount swap01:35
=== apacheLAGger [n=me@N798P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-54-80.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== jack_wyt_ [n=jack@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== cynics [n=freeflyi@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== ksheffield [n=ksheffie@c-76-111-5-66.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== maniacmusician_ [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495636E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== scotty_ [n=scotty@unaffiliated/scotty] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Hobbseeryanakca: i'd probably ask cjwatson about that in #ubuntu-devel, when he wakes up06:46
=== viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== pgquiles [n=pgquiles@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel
nixternalholy smokes I have finished a TON of homework today08:15
=== Hobbsee still hasnt finished her resume, unfortunately
nixternalI will worry about that next year :)08:17
nixternaldid k-d-s break?08:18
Hobbseeshouldnt have, why?08:19
nixternalit is behind held back08:20
nixternallooks like it built fine08:20
Hobbseethen dist-upgrade08:20
nixternalI thought I did...I guess not08:20
=== Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Longfield [n=valentin@lsa1pc7.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Longfield is now known as vlo
=== _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== hunger_t is now known as hunger
=== Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== jonasp [i=jonas@i59F743C3.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== apacheLAGger2 [n=me@N732P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio__StefanS_: ping ?09:49
_StefanS_Tonio_: pong ?09:49
Tonio__StefanS_: hey ;)09:50
Tonio__StefanS_: I built and tested kdesudo, couple of issues....09:51
_StefanS_Tonio_: wassup ?!09:51
_StefanS_Tonio_: probably :D09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: first issue was that the fade appeared everytime, even if no passwd is asked09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: I fixed that one easilly09:51
_StefanS_Tonio_: uhm ok09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: 2 other issues I can't seem to fix09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: first is that the window isn't centrered on the screen09:51
_StefanS_I can fix that.. I already have that on my list09:51
Tonio__StefanS_: looks like hardcoded centered for 1280*1024 resol09:51
_StefanS_something like it09:52
_StefanS_number two?09:52
Tonio__StefanS_: second issue is that I when I put a passwd, and click on "OK" nothing happens, looks like hanging somehow09:52
_StefanS_but typing the password and hitting enter, works right?09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: no issue when the sudo passwd is cached, so the global mecanism isn't broken, just an issue in the window validation something like that09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: no doesn't work with enter too....09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: fancy testing the package ?09:53
_StefanS_ok I will look into that.09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: kdelibs is patched09:53
_StefanS_I know ;)09:53
Tonio_oki gimme a second to upload09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: I meant 'the patch is in the repos" :)09:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes I have installed them already :)09:54
_StefanS_Tonio_: I run gutsy.09:54
_StefanS_on my lappie..09:54
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw.. how do you want me to fix the code ? Taking the current bzr, or your regular source package ?09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: you'll find the package there09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: source package and bzr are the same :)09:56
Tonio__StefanS_: you can fix in bzr or fix in the package, then gimme a fix, no issue on that point09:56
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok I was just worried about source sync issues... as long as you handle that, its fine :)09:57
Tonio_yup :)09:58
_StefanS_installing it now.09:58
Tonio_great, thanks09:58
Tonio__StefanS_: if you can reproduce the hand, just switch to a VT and killall kdesudo, that works09:58
_StefanS_uhm libkbluetooth0 had some problems installing09:58
Tonio__StefanS_: remove the current package and reinstall09:58
Tonio__StefanS_: that's an issue due to package transition09:58
_StefanS_ah, I see.09:58
Tonio_files changing from one package to another09:59
_StefanS_there seems to be a general issue with that icon-cache thingy.. almost all packages complain about it09:59
Tonio__StefanS_: yup, but I fixed that in bzr, no need to install the icons for kdesudo10:04
_StefanS_Tonio_: i hope that bug is going to be fixed in the future for the other packages....10:04
Tonio__StefanS_: sure10:06
=== jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
RiddellTonio_, Hobbsee: you still have a package each on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html11:10
HobbseeRiddell: awww, damn.  i was hoping to avoid that one indefinetly11:10
=== Hobbsee wonders how this ever got in in the first place
RiddellI wonder how the daily CDs are getting on11:14
Hobbseereasonably well11:14
Hobbseeafter infinity fixes the i386 builder.11:14
=== rouzic [n=rouzic@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
HobbseeRiddell: i think that kubuntu-wise, we're just waiting until the freeze, to do the testing11:15
Riddelli386 builder? the i386 CDs seem built11:15
=== Hobbsee continues to ignore kguitar
Hobbseethe livefs' havent for a few days, due to using the old apt11:16
Riddellah, right, thanks11:16
HobbseeRiddell: for kguitar, i'm waiting until upstream releases a new version11:17
=== rouzic_ [n=rouzic@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
_StefanS_Tonio_: I fixed that dialog centering.. could you test ? http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb11:22
_StefanS_Tonio_: the diff is here: http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo-fix-dialog.diff11:25
Tonio__StefanS_: testing11:25
=== _StefanS_ crosses fingers.
_StefanS_Tonio_: I cant really duplicate that bug related to clicking Ok..11:28
_StefanS_Tonio_: works fine here.11:28
Tonio__StefanS_: hum......11:28
Tonio_when you type the password, and click OK, the app launches ?11:29
_StefanS_works great. Just launched adept now with administrative privileges11:29
_StefanS_indeed :)11:29
Tonio_should be an issue with X or something no ?11:29
_StefanS_did you ever reboot after installing the packages ?11:30
_StefanS_or logout..11:30
Tonio__StefanS_: yep11:30
_StefanS_uhm.. we need someone else to test it then, just to make sure your installation is bad. :)11:30
_StefanS_what about hobbs?11:30
Tonio__StefanS_: it isn't btw :)11:30
_StefanS_or Riddell11:30
Tonio_Riddell: s'il te plait :)11:30
_StefanS_Riddell: yep.. kdesudo test11:30
Tonio_Riddell: testing kdesudo test would be nice11:30
Tonio__StefanS_: can you try with konqueror please ? kdesudo konqueror11:31
=== Hobbsee glances back in here, and notes that she doesnt have a highlight on hobbs
Tonio_looks like adept works for me too, only konqueror seems to fail11:31
Tonio__StefanS_: btw it worked nicelly without the fade11:31
Tonio__StefanS_: centring the window works11:31
_StefanS_Tonio_: uhm, konqueror launches fine also11:31
_StefanS_Tonio_: glad it worked :)11:31
Tonio__StefanS_: sh*t11:31
_StefanS_Tonio_: guess your installation is not that good as you want it to :D11:32
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw, I will implement the configuration items later today11:33
_StefanS_(fade in speed/opacity/fadeback speed)11:33
_StefanS_I was thinking .. actually it would be nice just to have a fullscreen fade instead of the wipe ..11:34
_StefanS_I might look into that.11:34
=== Hobbsee wonders why one cant see the borders and such around the kdesudo prompt now
_StefanS_Hobbsee: thats because of the window type (WType_Popup has no borders).. but maybe we can turn them on11:35
Riddellkdesudo: symbol lookup error: kdesudo: undefined symbol: _ZN15KPasswordDialogC2ENS_5TypesEbiRK7QStringjP7QWidgetPKc11:35
Riddellgot sources?11:35
Hobbsee_StefanS_: like, not even the border that tells you the name fo the app11:35
_StefanS_Hobbsee: correct11:36
Hobbseejust looks a little weird :)11:36
_StefanS_Hobbsee: thats normal for this dialog type11:36
Hobbseeah.  wonder why i havent seen it before11:36
_StefanS_look at the logout dialog :)11:36
_StefanS_gotta run now11:42
_StefanS_be back later...11:42
Tonio_Riddell: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org11:46
Tonio_Riddell: you might find the sources there11:46
Tonio_Hobbsee: no issues running "kdesudo konqueror" ?11:47
Tonio_Hobbsee: just hangs here11:47
Tonio_Hobbsee: I suspect something wrong with X or something11:47
HobbseeTonio_: how do i kill the kdesudo thingy, so it prompts me for a passworrrrd again?11:48
=== IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a514:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5c4:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio_Hobbsee: so you confirm my issue ?12:01
Tonio_Hobbsee: it will not launch konqueror and kind of hangs on the password ?12:01
=== axxo [n=axxo@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio_Hobbsee: you have to go to a VT, then killall kdesudo12:01
=== Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-007-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio_Hobbsee: when no passwd is asked, it works like a charm12:02
HobbseeTonio_: no, my problme is is that i've used kdesudo once, and it worked, so just automatically pops up the app when kdesudo is next called12:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: Stefan doesn't seem to be able to reproduce, but that's the bug I have: )12:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: pleased to see you have the same problem than me ;)12:02
Tonio_Hobbsee: now I can expect a fix hehe :)12:02
Hobbseei'm not convinced that what i see isnt the intended behaviour12:03
Hobbseei use kdesudo konqueror once, it works fine.  i use kdesudo konqueror again, it opens up konqueror, without the root password entry required, due to the kdesudo password caching.  this is intended behaviour, is it not?12:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: it is not12:04
HobbseeTonio_: ^12:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: it is12:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: so you don't have issues ?12:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: damnit12:04
Hobbseei dont seem to, nope12:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: kdesudo just hangs here12:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: I'm convinced that's somehow linked to xorg, I have to investigate12:04
Hobbseeit sits for about half a second with no action here, then the rquired app pops up12:04
Tonio_Hobbsee: oki ;)12:05
=== rouzic_ [n=rouzic@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddelloh, kdesudo needs a patched kdelibs, that'll explain it12:16
=== stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel
HobbseeRiddell: which...is in the latest upload of kdelibs, yes12:16
=== nihui [n=nihui@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
RiddellTonio_: knetworkmanager doesn't let me connect to my wired network on today's live CD12:23
=== nihui [n=nihui@] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation]
HobbseeRiddell: sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/12391412:27
ubotuLaunchpad bug 123914 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager doesn't initially connect to wired network" [High,Confirmed] 12:27
=== marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-110-34.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellcould be12:30
Riddellkatapult showing up on startup is the other bug12:30
Riddellotherwise today's AMD64 live CD is all good12:30
HobbseeTonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/122898 is fixed now, isnt it?12:33
ubotuLaunchpad bug 122898 in knetworkmanager ""Configure VPN..." requires network-manager-gnome" [Undecided,New] 12:33
Riddelldunno, no configure vpn option here12:34
Tonio_Hobbsee: yes it is12:34
Riddellbut I seem to remember Tonio_ working on it12:34
Tonio_Hobbsee: that's fixed with 0.212:34
Tonio_Hobbsee: I closed the relative bugs, seems I missed that one, sorry for this12:35
Hobbseeah, cool12:35
Hobbseeseems like a lot of bugs that will probably need closing there12:35
=== viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p54977058.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddelluh oh01:06
Riddell`id` isn't working01:06
=== raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== apacheLAGger2 is now known as apachelogger
=== pygi [n=mario@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
pygiHobbsee, poke01:27
pygiah, yes, ignore me :p01:28
=== rdieter [n=rdieter@sting.unl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Hobbseewhy yes, leave the channel.01:48
Hobbseeit's not like i might be afk, and have been lax about my away status, as usual01:48
Hobbseeand dont /whois me at all, to check my idle time.01:48
RiddellI don't think he ment it like that01:50
Hobbseeoh, i realise that01:50
Hobbseei'm just surprised that people dont check that01:50
=== Hobbsee is only being slightly sarcastic there
kwwiiyou away status slacker01:52
Hobbseeyeah, well.01:53
mhbhi all, hi kwwii01:53
kwwiihi mhb01:53
Hobbseekwwii: yay, new artwork.  is this the final stuff?01:55
Riddellnothing is final01:55
Riddellthe kubuntu logo on kdm at least needs changes01:56
Riddellbut that doesn't necessarily need kwwii01:56
mhbkwwii: although I'm not that sure that a two line menu is a usability problem (it seemed pretty well-known to me and other sites use it too, found redhat.com in my 1-minute search - but I'm no usability guy) ... did you try to solve the website menus in a different way?01:56
kwwiimhb: I think it ruins the design actually02:01
kwwiiand looks horrible02:01
mhbkwwii: oh, does it? You didn't say so in the first mail.02:01
kwwiiI spent some time last night looking at it02:01
kwwiithe biggest problem is the usability02:02
kwwiiwhether one person thinks it look pretty is probably not as important02:02
kwwiiwhat is the problem with using a side navigation?02:02
mhbkwwii: let's scrap the idea, then.02:02
mhbkwwii: actually, the problem I was trying to solve is that using both a menu and a sidebar is confusing (usability-wise) to me02:03
kwwiiwell, as the site is currently, only the main page has extra links anyway02:05
kwwiiand those are on the right02:05
ryanakcaHobbsee: ok, will do02:05
kwwiiI admit it would make more sense if the links were on the left02:05
ryanakcaRiddell: sorry for not fixing kde4sdk, I'm having a hard time installing gutsy on LVM02:05
mhbkwwii: yes, but the current site is pretty chaotic, too - when it comes to menus02:06
kwwiimhb: agreed02:06
kwwiimhb: perhaps if we added some text to the ones on the right  (and therefor didn't have so many)02:06
kwwiithey would be more like sub-articles than just links02:06
kwwiikinda like ubuntu.com does on the left side below the banner02:07
=== jjesse [n=jjesse@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kwwiiHobbsee: btw, the artwork is not final yet02:09
Hobbseekwwii: cool02:09
mhbkwwii: still, how do you intend to solve the two menus problem? By removing the horizontal menu?02:11
Riddellryanakca: it has now built everywhere02:11
kwwiimhb: that might be the easiest/best way02:12
kwwiimhb: I guess that the first thing we really need is to decide exactly which links we need and how they are related02:12
=== tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mhbI gave some examples in the comments there, although you probably read them by now02:13
kwwiimhb: it seems to me that if we had the "main" links in the right side with a bit of text for each one, and then had the "page" links in the horizontal stripe it would work well (especially because there are so few pages with "page" links)02:15
kwwiiI think that 90% of people come to the page and do not click around too much02:15
ryanakcaRiddell: oh, so it got fixed? (I got 4-5 emails saying build failed)02:17
mhbkwwii: I'm not really sure about the text, though. The links should be pretty clear by themselves.02:18
mhbkwwii: There is no need to describe what a "download" is, is there? :o) (Funny and stupid example, I know)02:19
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kwwiimhb: well, the site is more informational than anything, so the point is to draw new people and provide them with the info they need...02:20
Tonio_Riddell, Hobbsee: can you tell me if you have issues in the shell output of "sudo konqueror" ?02:20
Tonio_Riddell: here is what I get :02:20
kwwiiI think there is a big difference between how ubuntu and kubuntu have done their webpages02:20
kwwiiand I have to say that I think ubuntu is doing a better job02:20
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:20
HobbseeError: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:20
HobbseeError: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:20
kwwiiit seems to me like the kubuntu page is an info page for geeks atm02:20
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:21
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:21
Tonio_Hobbsee: oki02:21
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:21
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:21
HobbseeTonio_: ^02:21
Tonio_Hobbsee: oki02:21
Tonio_I wanted to understand what causes kdesudo to hang,02:21
mhbkwwii: it is, but I think it is for the lack of editors more than anything02:21
Tonio_let's make a point toonight ;)02:21
kwwiiseems like that sarah chick did something wrong :p02:21
kwwiimhb: I do not think that we need to change the content that much on the main page02:22
Hobbseekwwii: haha02:22
mhbkwwii: do we both see the same page that lists only package news, and has only a few lines about Kubuntu ?02:23
=== allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kwwiimhb: not sure I understand what you mean...are you talking about the ubuntu.ocm site?02:24
kwwiierm, com02:24
mhbkwwii: you said "we do not need to change the content that much on the main page" ... by that I understood kubuntu.org02:24
kwwiiyeah, I meant that we would have to radically change things :-)02:25
mhbkwwii: okay02:26
kwwiimhb: we could keep the news parts as they are now, just put them a bit further down....above them would be the marketing slogan kinda thing02:27
kwwiithe one paragraph we have now is interesting but does not lead one to click around much02:27
mhbkwwii: why would we want to keep this kind of news on the main page?02:27
mhbkwwii: I know it boils down to target audience ... and I thought we're trying to give information to newcomers02:28
kwwiimhb: I think we will find several people who want to know when the tribes come out, etc...we could also just limit it to the newest articles or such02:28
mhbkwwii: and information about Amarok 1.x.x being released is the last thing on their mind, I'd say02:28
rbrunhuberWhere can i find any docs about using kde4 rc1?02:28
kwwiimhb: we could also get rid of the links on the right (as well as everything below the download bar) and then make the main links article-like text with links to the main pages02:29
kwwiione of those would be "news", so we could still show the latest article02:30
kwwiimhb: that would basically make everything that is in a tab now go down into the main page as an article with links02:30
kwwiimhb: and only the news would be updated often02:31
kwwiistill showing only the latest news though02:31
mhbkwwii: I have to admit I lost you at "make the main links article like" ... I can't imagine it02:31
mhbI'm sorry02:32
mhbkwwii: still, I'd say putting (frequently updated) news on the main page doesn't seem to be a good idea to me02:33
mhbkwwii: take ubuntu.com ... how often do you check the main page for news?02:33
Riddellwhere else would it go?02:34
Hobbseeon a news page?02:34
mhbyes, I'd guess so02:34
mhba news page for a different audience than the main page02:34
rbrunhuberHobbsee: This is too obvious to see for men :-)02:34
rbrunhuberRiddell:  What I miss badly is instructions on how to use kde 4 3.90.1. They were on the news on kubuntu.org02:36
rbrunhuberRiddell:  This time the packages just slipped silently in the repo.02:36
Hobbseerbrunhuber: so replace the men with more women.  easy solution.  :P02:37
Riddellrbrunhuber: it's because they're not finished yet and they're not available for feisty02:37
Riddellwhich I hope to fix soon02:38
rbrunhuberRiddell: I'm using Gutsy.02:38
HobbseeTonio_: poke02:39
Tonio_Hobbsee:  ?02:39
HobbseeTonio_: were you going to fix02:40
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:40
HobbseeError: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:40
HobbseeError: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:40
RiddellTonio_: I uploaded dolphin fixing up some stuff, and I'll try and make it default for folders now02:40
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:40
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:40
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:40
HobbseeError: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.02:40
mhbHobbsee: please, not again02:40
ubotuLaunchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] 02:40
=== Hobbsee kills her copy key
HobbseeRiddell: neat :)02:40
Hobbseei should run klipper - it probably wouldnt die02:41
mhbkwwii: we also have a different starting point with ubuntu.com in that we don't have any server version02:41
=== jjesse [n=jjesse@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kwwiimhb: I agree with you on the news, just wondering who will complain :-)02:41
Riddellmost of the news on kubuntu.org are just updated package and pages02:42
Tonio_Riddell: oki :)02:42
mhbkwwii: the main u.c page, although a better place in general, still seems to contain too much text and no screenshots (for me) ... probably because of the desktop/server versions02:42
Riddellthe package announcements can probably be merged into one page02:42
Tonio_Riddell: how to perform the default choice ? kcm extension to choose the default file manager ?02:42
kwwiimhb: what I like about the ubuntu.com site is that everything you will probably click on has some explanation and/or is part of some text02:42
Tonio_Riddell: make it the default is simply define the inode/directory association02:42
kwwiimhb: right, they have to do it that way, we don't02:43
Tonio_Hobbsee: I can't understand why I'm the only one having this bug with kdesudo02:43
Tonio_Hobbsee: works nicelly without the fade effect02:43
Tonio_Hobbsee: I syspect there is a bug, but hard to reproduce02:43
HobbseeTonio_: quite possibly.02:44
HobbseeTonio_: and i meant "were you goign to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 ", not the evil, long paste02:44
ubotuLaunchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] 02:44
kwwiimhb: taking a small lunch break, be back in a bit02:44
mhbRiddell: with a separate news page, someone could try and add more kubuntu/kde kontent02:44
Tonio_Hobbsee: it is fixed02:45
Tonio_Hobbsee: kdm is now localised02:46
HobbseeTonio_: great :)02:46
mhbRiddell: after all, you seem to post happily about various news on the d.k.o :o)02:46
mhbI'm not sure if it is the right way to do, as I'm not sure what is the target audience of the news and what do we want to tell them02:46
=== Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-007-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
mhbkwwii: another thing I kind of dislike on the ubuntu.com page is that it lacks the "marketing juice" too much02:48
mhbkwwii: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ -- it's the opposite (too much juice), but it's a good example of "marketing juicified" page02:51
=== apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
jjessei love the updated artwork03:13
=== neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kwwiimhb: true03:42
=== gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel
DaSkreechWhee. Fedora is shipping with KDE403:46
DaSkreechas the only K desktop03:46
DaSkreechShould be fun03:46
RiddellDaSkreech: now?03:47
DaSkreechFor the next release03:47
rdieterDaSkreech: hopefully, if the stars-align. :)03:47
HobbseeDaSkreech: yes, but when is that?03:49
DaSkreechTwo weeks after KDE 4.0 ships I think03:49
=== Hobbsee waits. 11 minutes.
Hobbseehurry up...03:50
=== tmske_ [n=thomas@106.227-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== ScottK watches the Dapper and Edgy buildd's cough, weeze, and come back to life to see which will win the race to build clamav 0.88.7.
jjessei bet dapper03:52
ScottKWe'll see.  Sorry.  Meant that to be on #ubuntu-motu.03:53
=== fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Hobbseeholy cow....04:03
DaSkreechBlessed Beef?04:05
Hobbseewell, i either need to give up uni, or give up ubuntu, it looks like.04:05
ScottKSounds better than sacred salad.04:05
DaSkreechDivine Donuts?04:06
DaSkreechHobbsee: How come?04:06
HobbseeDaSkreech: just got my uni results04:06
DaSkreechthat sucks04:06
=== ksheffield_ [n=ksheffie@c-76-111-5-66.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== fraggle_ [n=fraggle@bea13-2-82-239-143-199.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== fraggle_ [n=fraggle@bea13-2-82-239-143-199.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["-ENOBRAIN"]
kwwiieducation is over-rated04:13
Hobbseekwwii: that's true.04:14
DaSkreechkwwii: Like R or like NC-17 ?04:14
Hobbseekwwii: as in, i knew the fact that i wasnt enjoying it would show up in my marks04:14
Hobbseebut uh...this...this is just....04:14
kwwiithat sucks04:14
Hobbseekwwii: i mean, this is impressively bad, to the point where i dont think it's my exam they marked :P04:15
kwwiiwell, it does show that if you do something you do it all the way :-)04:15
ScottKHobbsee: Maybe it's time to reconsider the major if you aren't enjoying it? </unsolicited advice>04:16
HobbseeScottK: i failed the maths component the worst, which is a prerequisite for the physics04:16
=== ScottK passes condolences.
=== gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel
DaSkreechapt-get build-dep physics04:18
Hobbseei'm not really surprised - only that i managed to fail it that badly04:18
=== freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== mbiebl [n=michael@e180071033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== apachelogger [n=me@N732P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
manchickenGutsy is panicking on me when I try to suspend.04:43
manchickenI don't know if it is being caused by driverloader or lirc though.04:43
manchickenThose are the only two changes to the kernel I'04:44
manchickenve had recently.04:44
=== tmske [n=thomas@106.227-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel
kwwiimanchicken: perhaps you need to talk nicely to it so it doesn't get scared04:45
manchickenkwwii: Well, you could have a point.  I am rather intimidating, aren't I? heh04:47
kwwiithat poor machine04:48
manchickenIt's an HP.  It bloody well deserves it.04:48
manchickenIt puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again..04:48
manchickenI'm guessing that spammers don't know that there's no such thing as the "United States National Medical Association."04:50
manchickenBut I doubt that such an organization would urge me to buy any medications online... ever.04:51
manchickenWe need a way to disable all accessibility...04:56
manchickenThis crappy keyboard keeps triggering the number pad mouse accessibility functionality.04:56
manchickenOoh, or I could just remove the keybinding :)04:58
manchickenIs there any interface to disable mouse emulation?05:00
manchickenThe hotkey isn't working...05:00
manchickenNaw, there's no GUI toggle for it there.05:08
manchickenOnly the hotkey setting.05:08
manchickenI think there's a weird bug in the accessibility thing that my screwed up keyboard wondered into.05:09
=== mjunx [n=matt@adsl-76-217-121-19.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellhttp://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/71746/Offer_Kubuntu_as_Ubuntu_Alternative_for_Open_Sourced_PCs  now there's an idea :)05:17
ScottKHobbsee: When I updated pinentry to remove pinentry-gtk, should I have added entries that said pinentry-gtk2 replaces/provides pinentry-gtk?05:17
DaSkreechHa ha :)05:17
DaSkreechWhat would that require on Dell's part05:17
HobbseeScottK: yeah, that would have been good05:18
Riddellshipping a third OS option (not cheap)05:18
ScottKHobbsee: OK.  I didn't think of it until after.  If I do a debdiff, will you upload it?05:18
ScottKOK.  I'll let you know when I have it done.05:19
DaSkreechRiddell: Why not?05:23
HobbseeScottK: you've probably got until...working european day tomorrow, as i cant freeze the archive05:24
Hobbseeso i'll have time to upload05:24
HobbseeScottK: you could just milestone the bug, then i'll definetly see it.  *g*05:24
ScottKIs it worth that?05:24
ScottKUp to you?05:24
ScottKI should have it done very shortly.  Doing it now.05:25
RiddellDaSkreech: why not what?05:25
DaSkreechWhy would a third option suddenly be expensive?05:25
RiddellDaSkreech: for the same reasons a second option is expensive05:26
Riddellbalancing supply lines is a difficult thing to do, and made more difficult with each new choice05:26
DaSkreechI can understand that a second option is expensive but after that shouldn't the cost drop pretty quick05:26
DaSkreechesp if the hardware requirements for the third are the same as the second05:27
Riddellyes the QA would be for the next one less, but it would still be more in total05:27
Riddellthe numbers involved would be rediculously small though05:28
HobbseeScottK: well, do, because i probably wont look at my exploding bugmail05:28
ScottKTest building it right now.05:29
Hobbseeplease assign it to me, then no one else should touch it05:29
=== ScottK files the bug while it builds
ScottKWIll do.05:30
DaSkreechRiddell: Numbers to ship or the numbers increase in total?05:32
RiddellDaSkreech: both05:33
=== apacheLAGger [n=me@N822P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
ScottKHobbsee: Bug #126361 is ready for you to have a look at.05:39
ubotuLaunchpad bug 126361 in pinentry "pinentry-gtk removed, but pinentry-gtk2 does not "replace" it" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/12636105:39
=== jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
ScottKHobbsee: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=88605:50
=== apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger
HobbseeScottK: haha05:52
ScottKI thought you would like that one.05:52
Hobbseeyep :)05:52
ScottKDig you want me to go ahead an milestone the pinentry bug or are you looking at it now?05:53
=== hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Hobbseeno, go ahead05:55
ScottKHobbsee: Looks like all I can do is "Nominate for a relase", i.e. Gutsy.  My launchpad-foo isn't up to milestones I guess.05:57
HobbseeScottK: milestones are near importance, and status05:58
ScottKAh.  Duh.  Thanks.05:58
Hobbseeno problem05:58
ScottKOK.  Done.05:59
=== rbrunhuber_ [n=rbrunhub@p54977462.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== luis_lopez [n=jabba@68-182-36-142-Public-Marmac-MIPHA.client.eng.telusmobility.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== meduxa [n=agustin@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Lure [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== rbrunhuber_ [n=rbrunhub@p54976131.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== LongPointyStick [n=mystery@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== mhb [n=mhb@64.73.broadband3.iol.cz] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== toscalix [n=agustin@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== rdieter is now known as rdieter_away
=== Arby [n=richard@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
jjesseanyone else having problems with manage repos in adept in gutsy?07:22
Riddelljjesse: what's up with it07:26
jjessei clicked on manage repos and nothing showed up07:30
jjessehmm just came up07:31
jjessethat's wierd took a long long time07:31
nixternalget a faster computer? adept doesn't work on commodore 64 ;p07:33
ubotuOh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!07:33
jjessetake that07:33
nixternalyou guys are forcing me to go and buy Vista...I don't like statements that make me a liar ;p07:34
nixternalI have a Vista lover leaving comments on my blog though07:34
jjessewas it me?07:34
nixternalya..erik...he says that Vista is easier to use and better than XP07:34
DaSkreechnixternal: Soooo you are giving out free money? :)07:34
nixternalfrom what I have seen, Vista isn't easier...at least it wasn't for me07:35
jjessei think vista is a little bit harder07:35
nixternalXP, I set it to classic and it looks and acts like Windows 98 and 2000 for me, about the last time I really used Windows :)07:35
jjessehmm quick question: in adept gutsy is the CDROM enabled by default as a repository?07:35
nixternalit used to be..07:35
jjessei know, i'm trying to find it07:38
jjesseto see if we still need that section07:38
=== toscalix [n=agustin@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== rouzic [n=rouzic@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== rdieter_away is now known as rdieter
ryanakcaRiddell: How do I fix the missing files (the kbabel stuff) in kde4sdk? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8481707/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.kde4sdk_3.91.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz08:20
=== _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Riddellryanakca: it's fixed in ubuntu208:22
ryanakcaRiddell: oh, ok :)08:25
DaSkreechUbuntu has a sequel?08:30
ryanakcahehe :)08:31
DaSkreechmanchicken_: Interesting08:32
manchicken_DaSkreech: ?08:33
DaSkreechgobuntu will become the base for gnewsense08:35
DaSkreechInteresting thought08:35
DaSkreechCourse it severely limits what hardware they can test on :)08:37
DaSkreechmanchicken_: Busy I take it?08:37
=== _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-144-143.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== zootechnist [n=zootechn@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== zootechnist [n=zootechn@] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation]
manchicken_DaSkreech: Oh yeah.08:55
manchicken_DaSkreech: I'm trying to get something released here soon :)08:55
manchicken_I suspect that a lot of projects are going to relicense to "gplv2 or later" from straight gplv2 so that this issue can be avoided.08:57
DaSkreechYou would hope09:01
manchicken_I don't think that anybody who holds a GPLv2 who is sticking with v2 would really want to prevent anybody in GPLv3 from linking to their program.09:02
manchicken_I understand some folks really dislike GPLv3, but I haven't seen or heard of any asshats who were so vindictive that they would prevent the use of their programs in such a way.09:04
=== hunger [n=tobias@p54A72213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387D5E2.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio__StefanS_: ping ?09:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: poooooooong09:38
Tonio__StefanS_: hehe :)09:38
_StefanS_so wassup ?09:38
Tonio__StefanS_: I investigated a bit concerning my issue, that's due to the fade09:38
Tonio__StefanS_: as long as I disable the fade, everything's right09:38
Tonio_strange isn't it ?09:38
Tonio__StefanS_: I suspect an issue with fglrx09:38
_StefanS_maybe its something of the math..09:39
_StefanS_nawp, I run fglrx as well09:39
Tonio__StefanS_: which version ?09:39
_StefanS_uhm.. 7.1.0-8.37.6+
Tonio__StefanS_: my kubuntu is very "by default" you know :)09:39
_StefanS_worked with the one in feisty as well09:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: does the fade stall the machine?09:40
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm running 8.38.6-1+2.6.22-7.1409:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: ehm like the UI i mean09:40
Tonio__StefanS_: no issue, I can type in the passwd field, but it hangs when I push ok or enter09:40
Tonio_then I have to go to a vt, killall kdesudo and the command launches09:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: forever?09:40
Tonio__StefanS_: yep09:40
_StefanS_hmm ok09:40
Tonio_well at least a few seconds09:41
Tonio__StefanS_: that leads me to think that the slotOk is reached09:41
Tonio_it may hang there09:41
Tonio_otherwise the command wouldn't lauch09:41
Tonio_right ?09:41
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep09:41
_StefanS_Tonio_: so it works but the display is not updated?09:42
Tonio__StefanS_: I tried to put the fade stop at the very begining of the slotok, didn't help09:42
Tonio__StefanS_: looks like that indeed09:42
Tonio_expecially since when I switch to a vt, and back to vt7, I have a black screen09:42
Tonio__StefanS_: looks like no refresh, indeed09:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: can you try to compile it with "if (KConfigGroup(KGlobal::config(), "Fade").readBoolEntry("doFancyFade", false))" on kdesudo.cpp line 214?09:43
_StefanS_Tonio_: so that it uses the classic fade09:43
Tonio__StefanS_: there are lots of issues with the latest fglrx, that's why I suspect it09:43
Tonio__StefanS_: without the gray thing right ?09:44
_StefanS_fglx sucks hard.. I just asked in #xorg if that current radeon driver support my firegl :)09:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep09:44
Tonio__StefanS_: no issue09:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: so that works?09:44
Tonio__StefanS_: I tested with bool doKDESudoFade = false;09:45
Tonio__StefanS_: no issue09:45
Tonio__StefanS_: that's really caused by the gray thing09:45
Tonio__StefanS_: could that be do to a kind of infinite loop or something ?09:45
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep.. lets try to go on to rip out some code then09:46
Tonio__StefanS_: strange it would just hang on my machine btw....09:46
_StefanS_Tonio_: maybe..09:46
Tonio__StefanS_: fglrx have a lot of problems atm but that's for a good reason09:46
Tonio__StefanS_: amd put some money on the driver devel and they are coding very very hard on it09:46
_StefanS_Tonio_: so they are adding features now ?? haha09:47
Tonio__StefanS_: that causes lots of troubles, but I suspect that in a short future.....09:47
Tonio__StefanS_: they do09:47
Tonio_but I suspect they have to clean the code hardly09:47
_StefanS_Tonio_: If I could I would rip out this damn ati card and replace it for nvidia09:47
Tonio_especially since they may release the sources :)09:47
_StefanS_Tonio_: you really think so ?09:47
Tonio__StefanS_: 2 month after I bought my macbook pro, apple switched to nvidia....09:47
Tonio__StefanS_: I wanted to kill myself when I saw that09:48
_StefanS_Tonio_: tuff luck hehe09:48
_StefanS_Tonio_: cant you exchange it?09:48
Tonio__StefanS_: dream on :)09:48
_StefanS_Tonio_: dell lappies can do that..09:48
_StefanS_Tonio_: but apple crap tends to be very problematic09:48
_StefanS_I owned two mac mini's, so I know about apple..09:48
Tonio_problamatic ?09:49
Tonio__StefanS_: well macbook pros are not famous for having lots of problems09:49
Tonio_not more that any other brand I mean09:49
_StefanS_Tonio_: not besides the paint job and them running very hot, and ofcourse the infamous EFI bios..09:49
_StefanS_Tonio_: anyways, lets look at that code.09:50
Tonio_hum efi doesn't cause any trouble here09:50
Tonio__StefanS_: okay :)09:50
Tonio_and concerning myself, I'm switching back to your version of aiglx09:50
Tonio_we'll see if that's the issue09:50
ryanakcaummm... is not having an icon theme in a default install a known bug?09:51
Tonio_ryanakca: nope09:51
=== ryanakca can't really check since he's stuck in the good old CLI :)
Tonio_not afaik at least :)09:51
_StefanS_Tonio_: are you gonna switch fglrx first?09:52
=== ryanakca tries filing it with lynx :)
_StefanS_Tonio_: and did you compile that one yourself?09:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: err.. made the deb ;)09:52
Tonio__StefanS_: yep since I'm conviced that's the cause of the issue09:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: good, lets see what happens.09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: nope I'll use yours, to be sure we have exactly the same config09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: btw once everything's done, I'll turn your code into a patch09:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: sounds good.09:53
Tonio__StefanS_: since it requires kdelibs patch to build we cannot release the tarball that way09:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep, the kdelibs patch was something I would like to avoid, but then it wouldn't be possible to do it at all09:54
Tonio__StefanS_: you're using the standard version of fglrx in fact, the one from the repos ?09:55
Tonio__StefanS_: I didn't knew it has been merged :)09:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: I am09:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: latest gutsy stuff09:55
ryanakcaTonio_: could you file the bug for me please? lynx doesn't seem to like launchpad :(09:57
Tonio_ryanakca: are you fully up to date ?09:57
Tonio_ryanakca: I can see the config, you should have a cursor09:57
Tonio_ryanakca: btw looks fine here09:57
Tonio_ryanakca: wouldn't it be nice to check if that's reproducible09:58
ryanakcaTonio_: yep, updated, and I tried setting it the new DZM (or ZDM, forget the order) icon theme with the settings manager (moving the mouse and clicking randomly untill I got the right button). In the list, I didn't see any kubuntu named themes :(09:59
=== Tonio_ rebooting for fglrx
ryanakcaalternate installer, btw09:59
ryanakcaTonio_: ok09:59
Tonio_ryanakca: do you have kubuntu-default-settings installed ?09:59
_StefanS_quality is very good actually already for tribe 2  ..09:59
Tonio_ryanakca: the update when without any change here09:59
_StefanS_Tonio_: where did you get that latest version of  fglrx?10:00
ryanakcayep, I have kubuntu-default-settings, at least according to dpkg...10:00
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio__StefanS_: first result while back to previous fglrx version : xv and opengl are working again....10:05
Tonio__StefanS_: got it from ati.com of course10:05
Tonio_let's try kdesudo10:05
Tonio__StefanS_: still hanging btw10:05
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio__StefanS_: still hanging btw10:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: how long time are you waiting before you determine it has frozen?10:06
Tonio_so that's not fglrx10:06
Tonio_ryanakca: so let's try to confirm your issue10:06
=== Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== Tonio_ shits on ndiswrapper as strong as he can....
_StefanS_Tonio_: macbook... uhmmm10:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: :D10:07
Tonio__StefanS_: the driver is in svn madwifi10:08
Tonio_I'm just waiting for a merge in the kernel =)10:08
=== huahua_ [n=huahua@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
_StefanS_Tonio_: I'm waiting for some SATA code to get into the kernel also... so that makes two of us waiting for kernel updates :)10:08
Tonio__StefanS_: hehe :)10:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: anyways..10:09
Tonio__StefanS_: well I could build madwifi from svn, but I prefer to stay with the default to see what the problems are10:09
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes.. I had it with maintaining my kernels aswell10:09
_StefanS_my own kernels.10:09
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm also waiting for a patch to improve the speakers support10:10
Tonio_it's a bit buggy atm10:10
Tonio_for example, center is left10:10
Tonio_left is pcm10:10
Tonio_right is center etc.......10:10
_StefanS_Tonio_: when the screen freeze, does it flicker or in some way indicate that is has taken a copy of the whole screen ?10:10
Tonio_and pluging headphones doesn't mute pcm anymore10:10
_StefanS_Tonio_: apple vendor lock in ... nice10:11
Tonio__StefanS_: no indication afaics10:11
_StefanS_Tonio_: thats why I ditched the mac mini's as well; just started to irritate me that little things didn't work.10:11
Tonio__StefanS_: ho just fyi, the "OK" buttons stays as if clicked10:11
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok good !10:11
_StefanS_Tonio_: could you try to put in a kmessagebox in the top of the slotOK code?10:12
=== neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@] has joined #kubuntu-devel
_StefanS_Tonio_: see if it freezes before that.10:12
Tonio__StefanS_: building10:14
_StefanS_Tonio_: what cpu do you have in that pacmacbook ?10:14
Tonio_hum Riddell seems far away..... let's go10:15
Tonio__StefanS_: KMessageBox::error(this, i18n("Fuck the fuckin' fuckers!"));10:15
Tonio__StefanS_: is the syntax correct ?10:15
_StefanS_Tonio_: hehe, yes. You forgot to write something about fglrx..10:15
Tonio__StefanS_: well it is not the cause of the issue10:15
_StefanS_together with those f*ck words.10:16
Tonio__StefanS_: can be the CPU indeed10:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: is it a powerpc?10:16
Tonio__StefanS_: intel10:16
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok, so the messagebox doesn't show?10:16
Tonio_building ;)10:16
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm doing a package everytime10:17
Tonio__StefanS_: I know, that's stupid :)10:17
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes just do a debuild -nc and run it from obj-*/kdesudo/kdesudo -u root ls or something10:17
Tonio__StefanS_: ./configure && make can do the job too =)10:18
Tonio__StefanS_: installing the package10:19
Tonio__StefanS_: it worked :)10:20
Tonio__StefanS_: super strange10:20
Tonio__StefanS_: the box shown, then was deleted and then konqueror launched10:20
Tonio__StefanS_: looks like there is a delay issue10:21
_StefanS_err funny..10:21
Tonio__StefanS_: maybe my machine is just to fast or something.... no ?10:21
Tonio__StefanS_: is there a "sleep" function in cpp ?10:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: hardly think thats the problem :)10:21
Tonio__StefanS_: bah, maybe but the box workarrounded the problem10:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: dont think so, the best is a dialog of some sort (apart from kdebug)10:21
Tonio_as stupid as it sounds10:21
_StefanS_Tonio_: the messagebox?10:22
Tonio__StefanS_: the kmessagebox opened, closed and konqueror launched -> no freeze10:22
Tonio_without the box -> freeze10:22
_StefanS_wow thats wierd.10:22
_StefanS_wierd science :D10:22
=== _StefanS_ scratches his head
Tonio__StefanS_: trying to build without the messagebox.....10:23
_StefanS_Tonio_: maybe its that hide thingy that causes it10:23
Tonio__StefanS_: means that the "hide" then hides the kmessagebox ?10:24
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep10:24
Tonio_interesting, trying to remove that one10:24
_StefanS_Tonio_: good idea10:24
Tonio__StefanS_: mayke a pray with me !!!!!10:24
=== Tonio_ lights a cigarette
=== _StefanS_ farts
=== Tonio_ opens a beer
=== Tonio_ scratches his balls
=== ScottK files a bug.
=== Tonio_ smells..... looks like the day has been rude....
=== Tonio_ his happy that Jonathan isn't there, otherwise we would have been kicked I guess :)
=== ScottK wonders if he reads the scrollback?
_StefanS_ScottK: probably not, else he couldn't do anything other than that10:28
Tonio_ScottK: sure he does :)10:29
Tonio_ScottK: especially since I mensionned his nick just before10:29
=== ScottK nods
_StefanS_Tonio_: done scratching your balls yet?10:30
Tonio__StefanS_: doesn't hide ;)10:30
Tonio__StefanS_: the "OK" button doesn't work anymore10:30
ryanakcaTonio_: hmmm... fixed, either by: 1) installing ubuntu-desktop, or 2) reinstalling k-d-s and rebooting10:31
Tonio_ryanakca: strange, something got wrong during the install10:31
Tonio__StefanS_: any idea ?10:31
_StefanS_Tonio_: thinking.10:32
Tonio_that's weird, really10:32
ryanakcaewww. installing ubuntu-desktop makes kdm want to take gnome by default... :)10:32
_StefanS_Tonio_: could you try arranging the code like in SlotCancel ? hide, stop, kapp->quit10:33
ryanakcaTonio_: oh crud. It's back. I log out of gnome, and lo and behold, no cursor10:33
Tonio_ryanakca: weird....10:33
Tonio__StefanS_: I'm trying to put the hide at the very begining of the slotOk10:34
Tonio_and then try what you suggest10:34
Tonio__StefanS_: well it's what it does :)10:34
Tonio_hide at the very begining10:34
Tonio__StefanS_: looks like the "this" differs between our 2 machines10:34
_StefanS_actually I think it should just be hide(); without the this->10:35
_StefanS_I will try to build something here10:35
Tonio_shoudl it ?10:35
_StefanS_I'm going to test if it makes any difference here10:36
_StefanS_Tonio_: btw, I didn't see that bug with the cached password because I set sudo to timeout everytime10:37
Tonio__StefanS_: there is no bug with the cached password afaics10:37
_StefanS_Tonio_: no, you fixed that one yourself :) - I just didn't see it because of my local sudo settings10:38
_StefanS_Tonio_: just for info :)10:38
Tonio__StefanS_: ah oki ;)10:38
=== _StefanS_ sips some more coffee
_StefanS_Tonio_: removing this-> doesn't make a difference here, please try it on your installation10:38
Tonio__StefanS_: tried with the this->hide at the begining, doesn't work10:39
_StefanS_Tonio_: slotOk should definitely not have a kapp->quit().10:39
Tonio__StefanS_: second attempt10:39
_StefanS_so dont add that.10:39
Tonio__StefanS_: I didn't of course10:40
Tonio__StefanS_: should I put the feedback stop just after the hide or not ?10:40
_StefanS_Tonio_: its just aestethics..10:41
_StefanS_Tonio_: not really important for this bug we're trying to solve (IMHO)10:41
Tonio_ryanakca: doesn't gnome crashes your settings somehow ?10:41
ryanakcahmmmm... dunno. I can't see why using gnome should mess up kde, .kde and .gnome2 (or whatever they use) shouldn't come in contact... I don't think10:42
_StefanS_Tonio_: to understand this correctly; the fade works fine up until you click ok or press enter, right?10:43
Tonio__StefanS_: yep10:44
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok10:44
Tonio__StefanS_: doesn't work, with hide()10:44
Tonio_nothing changes10:44
Tonio_without hide, the button doesn't work....10:45
Tonio__StefanS_: I suspect the Cancel action to also bug here10:47
Tonio__StefanS_: but the kapp-quit() workarrounds the issue10:47
_StefanS_hmm it gets me kinda puzzled10:49
Tonio__StefanS_: I really suspect an issue with my cpu10:50
Tonio__StefanS_: trying to add the kapp->quit() after the command is launched10:50
ryanakcaTonio_: I've got my problem temporarily solved with 'oneko'... it's a cat that follows the mouse... so I have an idea of where the mouse is10:51
_StefanS_I find it really wierd that the Kdialog behaves like that... ok button not working and stuff10:51
ryanakcagive or take10:51
_StefanS_ryanakca: haha :D10:51
Tonio_ryanakca: LOL10:51
Tonio__StefanS_: yeah that doesn't make sense.....10:52
Tonio__StefanS_: especially since I don't have any issue without the fade10:52
_StefanS_Tonio_: yes, but the logout works fine, right?10:52
Tonio_ryanakca: not a problem with the theme ? you can''t see the cursor at all ?10:53
Tonio__StefanS_: no isse, right10:53
Tonio__StefanS_: there must be a difference somewhere10:53
_StefanS_Tonio_: not really, its all copy-paste :D10:53
Tonio__StefanS_: not in the code, but in the way it is used10:53
Tonio__StefanS_: interesting10:54
_StefanS_Tonio_: try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog instead of WType_Popup10:54
_StefanS_line 4510:55
Tonio__StefanS_: there no hang10:55
Tonio__StefanS_: kapp->is by the end10:55
ryanakcaTonio_: nope, not at all10:55
_StefanS_Tonio_: yep, then it must be the remaining code run after that10:55
Tonio_that's weird, since it means all the code is executed10:55
Tonio__StefanS_: isn't the hang somewhere else ? ;)10:56
_StefanS_Tonio_: I think so10:56
_StefanS_Tonio_: must be in the remaining code10:56
_StefanS_Kprocess things10:56
Tonio__StefanS_: but once again, only appears with the fade10:56
_StefanS_yes true..10:56
_StefanS_but how would that interfere with the shell stuff... wierd10:56
Tonio__StefanS_: one thing I saw10:57
_StefanS_try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog as I wrote, and test it10:57
Tonio__StefanS_: the kapp->quit is executed before the fade does10:57
Tonio__StefanS_: means that the code is executed during the fadeout right ?10:57
Tonio__StefanS_: testing10:58
=== scotty [n=scotty@unaffiliated/scotty] has joined #kubuntu-devel
_StefanS_Tonio_: actually the kapp-quit() should just exit10:58
Tonio__StefanS_: it does10:58
Tonio__StefanS_: but not after the fade out10:58
Tonio__StefanS_: during the fadeout10:58
Tonio_is that normal ?10:59
_StefanS_ah, well thats because of the timer10:59
Tonio__StefanS_: can't taht be my issue ?10:59
_StefanS_well maybe..10:59
Tonio_maybe the code hangs somehow if the fadeout is running10:59
_StefanS_try changing that timer on line 360 to : QTimer::singleShot( 5, this, SLOT( slotPaintEffect() ) );10:59
Tonio__StefanS_: isn't there a way to execute the code step by step, as if it were a script ?10:59
Tonio__StefanS_: oki11:00
Tonio__StefanS_: testing the popup things before11:00
_StefanS_well I havent used that, unfortunately.. so11:00
Tonio__StefanS_: we'll know in 2 minutes11:02
_StefanS_damn this 80's channel is just cool :)11:02
_StefanS_di.fm.. the best stuff there is11:02
Tonio__StefanS_: works with a dialog11:04
Tonio_except I have a toolbar on the top of course11:04
Tonio_no hang this time11:04
Tonio_trying the second potential fix11:04
Tonio__StefanS_: : QWidget( 0L, "feedbackwidget", WType_Popup ),11:05
Tonio_that line right ?11:05
Tonio_this is ere I changed it11:05
ryanakcaTonio_: http://blog.ryanak.ca/nomouse.png :D11:06
_StefanS_Tonio_: ok good11:06
_StefanS_what an ugly cat :)11:06
Tonio_ryanakca: I suspect that's a very local problem11:06
Tonio__StefanS_: good ? :)11:06
Tonio__StefanS_: strange that a dialog works better than a popup no ?11:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: well yes.. I know its not good.11:07
ryanakcaTonio_: hmm11:07
Tonio__StefanS_: what is the timeout for the logout ?11:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: the thing is that WType_Poup is just basic Qt3, and I cant why it wouldn't work11:07
_StefanS_Tonio_: lemme check11:07
ryanakcaTonio_: is it possible to remove all X related packages?11:08
Tonio_ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove --purge x*11:08
Tonio_ryanakca: but you don't want to do that for sure :)11:08
_StefanS_ryanakca: maybe just apt-get install <package> --reinstall ?11:09
Tonio__StefanS_: isn't there a kpopp thing ?11:09
Tonio_kpopup ?11:09
ryanakcaTonio_: well, at least remove everything related to kubuntu-desktop... didn't raphink make a script for that one upon a time?11:09
Tonio_ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove11:09
ryanakcaah, thanks :)11:10
Tonio__StefanS_: doesn't work with the timeout set to 511:10
Tonio__StefanS_: looks like hanging before that11:10
_StefanS_Tonio_: the timers in ksmserver is (search in kdesudo.cpp after QTimer), 10, 5, 111:11
Tonio__StefanS_: changed to 5 but it doesn't work....11:11
_StefanS_Tonio_: nope haven't seen anything about kpopup11:12
_StefanS_Tonio_: uhm ok.11:12
Tonio_weird.............. super weird11:12
_StefanS_Tonio_: better sleep on it, I have to code some other stuff11:12
Tonio__StefanS_: I can understand, but we'll have to investigate another day I guess....11:13
_StefanS_Tonio_: sure, I just getting way too tired.. my kid wakes up usually 6.00 in the morning, and its 23:14 here now. Gotta sleep11:14
Tonio_hehe ;)11:14
Tonio_sleep well ;)11:14
=== jjesse [n=jjesse@adsl-76-212-76-245.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Tonio_ryanakca: can you beleive I just found the solution to the bug ?11:18
Tonio_poor _StefanS_11:18
Tonio_he will think about it aaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll the night :)11:18
ryanakcaTonio_: hahaha :D11:18
ryanakcahmm.. nope. I guess I'll just have to do a new install.11:20
ryanakcawait... I already have my LVM set up. Can I install using the liveCD onto the LVM?11:21
Tonio_ryanakca: I think so11:23
=== apachelogger [n=me@N822P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p54976131.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel
Arbycool, I have a KDE flavoured gobuntu running on a laptop12:00
Arbywasn't expecting that to work12:01
=== TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F1D45.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel
=== erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #kubuntu-devel

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.7 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!