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| jjesse | that sucks | 01:18 |
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| ryanakca | Erm, should the installer try to mount swap? http://pastebin.ca/621144 , If so, I'll file a bug saying that it repeatedly fails, if not, I'll file a bug against debian-installer saying that it tries to mount swap | 01:35 |
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| Hobbsee | ryanakca: i'd probably ask cjwatson about that in #ubuntu-devel, when he wakes up | 06:46 |
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| nixternal | howdy! | 08:15 |
| nixternal | holy smokes I have finished a TON of homework today | 08:15 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 08:17 |
| === Hobbsee still hasnt finished her resume, unfortunately | ||
| nixternal | I will worry about that next year :) | 08:17 |
| Hobbsee | hehe | 08:17 |
| nixternal | did k-d-s break? | 08:18 |
| Hobbsee | shouldnt have, why? | 08:19 |
| nixternal | it is behind held back | 08:20 |
| nixternal | looks like it built fine | 08:20 |
| Hobbsee | then dist-upgrade | 08:20 |
| nixternal | I thought I did...I guess not | 08:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | morning | 09:25 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ping ? | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: pong ? | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hey ;) | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I built and tested kdesudo, couple of issues.... | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: wassup ?! | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: probably :D | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: first issue was that the fade appeared everytime, even if no passwd is asked | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I fixed that one easilly | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: uhm ok | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: 2 other issues I can't seem to fix | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: first is that the window isn't centrered on the screen | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | I can fix that.. I already have that on my list | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looks like hardcoded centered for 1280*1024 resol | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | something like it | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | number two? | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: second issue is that I when I put a passwd, and click on "OK" nothing happens, looks like hanging somehow | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | but typing the password and hitting enter, works right? | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no issue when the sudo passwd is cached, so the global mecanism isn't broken, just an issue in the window validation something like that | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no doesn't work with enter too.... | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: fancy testing the package ? | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | ok I will look into that. | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: kdelibs is patched | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | yes | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | I know ;) | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | oki gimme a second to upload | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I meant 'the patch is in the repos" :) | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes I have installed them already :) | 09:54 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I run gutsy. | 09:54 |
| _StefanS_ | on my lappie.. | 09:54 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: btw.. how do you want me to fix the code ? Taking the current bzr, or your regular source package ? | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: you'll find the package there | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: source package and bzr are the same :) | 09:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: you can fix in bzr or fix in the package, then gimme a fix, no issue on that point | 09:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ok I was just worried about source sync issues... as long as you handle that, its fine :) | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | yup :) | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | installing it now. | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | great, thanks | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: if you can reproduce the hand, just switch to a VT and killall kdesudo, that works | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm libkbluetooth0 had some problems installing | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: remove the current package and reinstall | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | ok | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that's an issue due to package transition | 09:58 |
| _StefanS_ | ah, I see. | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | files changing from one package to another | 09:59 |
| _StefanS_ | there seems to be a general issue with that icon-cache thingy.. almost all packages complain about it | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yup, but I fixed that in bzr, no need to install the icons for kdesudo | 10:04 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: i hope that bug is going to be fixed in the future for the other packages.... | 10:04 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: sure | 10:06 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_, Hobbsee: you still have a package each on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html | 11:10 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: awww, damn. i was hoping to avoid that one indefinetly | 11:10 |
| === Hobbsee wonders how this ever got in in the first place | ||
| Riddell | I wonder how the daily CDs are getting on | 11:14 |
| Hobbsee | reasonably well | 11:14 |
| Hobbsee | after infinity fixes the i386 builder. | 11:14 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: i think that kubuntu-wise, we're just waiting until the freeze, to do the testing | 11:15 |
| Riddell | i386 builder? the i386 CDs seem built | 11:15 |
| === Hobbsee continues to ignore kguitar | ||
| Hobbsee | the livefs' havent for a few days, due to using the old apt | 11:16 |
| Riddell | ah, right, thanks | 11:16 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: for kguitar, i'm waiting until upstream releases a new version | 11:17 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I fixed that dialog centering.. could you test ? http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb | 11:22 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the diff is here: http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo-fix-dialog.diff | 11:25 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: testing | 11:25 |
| _StefanS_ | goody.. | 11:25 |
| === _StefanS_ crosses fingers. | ||
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I cant really duplicate that bug related to clicking Ok.. | 11:28 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: works fine here. | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hum...... | 11:28 |
| Tonio_ | when you type the password, and click OK, the app launches ? | 11:29 |
| _StefanS_ | yups. | 11:29 |
| _StefanS_ | works great. Just launched adept now with administrative privileges | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | hum......... | 11:29 |
| _StefanS_ | indeed :) | 11:29 |
| Tonio_ | should be an issue with X or something no ? | 11:29 |
| _StefanS_ | did you ever reboot after installing the packages ? | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | or logout.. | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yep | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm.. we need someone else to test it then, just to make sure your installation is bad. :) | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | what about hobbs? | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: it isn't btw :) | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | or Riddell | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 11:30 |
| Riddell | moi? | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: s'il te plait :) | 11:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: yep.. kdesudo test | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: testing kdesudo test would be nice | 11:30 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: can you try with konqueror please ? kdesudo konqueror | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | sure | 11:31 |
| === Hobbsee glances back in here, and notes that she doesnt have a highlight on hobbs | ||
| Tonio_ | looks like adept works for me too, only konqueror seems to fail | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: btw it worked nicelly without the fade | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: centring the window works | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: uhm, konqueror launches fine also | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: glad it worked :) | 11:31 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: sh*t | 11:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: guess your installation is not that good as you want it to :D | 11:32 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: btw, I will implement the configuration items later today | 11:33 |
| _StefanS_ | (fade in speed/opacity/fadeback speed) | 11:33 |
| _StefanS_ | I was thinking .. actually it would be nice just to have a fullscreen fade instead of the wipe .. | 11:34 |
| _StefanS_ | I might look into that. | 11:34 |
| === Hobbsee wonders why one cant see the borders and such around the kdesudo prompt now | ||
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: thats because of the window type (WType_Popup has no borders).. but maybe we can turn them on | 11:35 |
| Riddell | kdesudo: symbol lookup error: kdesudo: undefined symbol: _ZN15KPasswordDialogC2ENS_5TypesEbiRK7QStringjP7QWidgetPKc | 11:35 |
| Riddell | got sources? | 11:35 |
| Hobbsee | _StefanS_: like, not even the border that tells you the name fo the app | 11:35 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: correct | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | weird | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | just looks a little weird :) | 11:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Hobbsee: thats normal for this dialog type | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | ah. wonder why i havent seen it before | 11:36 |
| _StefanS_ | look at the logout dialog :) | 11:36 |
| Hobbsee | point. | 11:37 |
| _StefanS_ | gotta run now | 11:42 |
| _StefanS_ | be back later... | 11:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: you might find the sources there | 11:46 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: no issues running "kdesudo konqueror" ? | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: just hangs here | 11:47 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I suspect something wrong with X or something | 11:47 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: how do i kill the kdesudo thingy, so it prompts me for a passworrrrd again? | 11:48 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: so you confirm my issue ? | 12:01 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it will not launch konqueror and kind of hangs on the password ? | 12:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: you have to go to a VT, then killall kdesudo | 12:01 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: when no passwd is asked, it works like a charm | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: no, my problme is is that i've used kdesudo once, and it worked, so just automatically pops up the app when kdesudo is next called | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: Stefan doesn't seem to be able to reproduce, but that's the bug I have: ) | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: pleased to see you have the same problem than me ;) | 12:02 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: now I can expect a fix hehe :) | 12:02 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not convinced that what i see isnt the intended behaviour | 12:03 |
| Hobbsee | i use kdesudo konqueror once, it works fine. i use kdesudo konqueror again, it opens up konqueror, without the root password entry required, due to the kdesudo password caching. this is intended behaviour, is it not? | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it is not | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ^ | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it is | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: so you don't have issues ? | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: damnit | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | i dont seem to, nope | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: kdesudo just hangs here | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I'm convinced that's somehow linked to xorg, I have to investigate | 12:04 |
| Hobbsee | it sits for about half a second with no action here, then the rquired app pops up | 12:04 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: oki ;) | 12:05 |
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| Riddell | oh, kdesudo needs a patched kdelibs, that'll explain it | 12:16 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: which...is in the latest upload of kdelibs, yes | 12:16 |
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| Riddell | Tonio_: knetworkmanager doesn't let me connect to my wired network on today's live CD | 12:23 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/123914 | 12:27 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 123914 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager doesn't initially connect to wired network" [High,Confirmed] | 12:27 |
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| Riddell | could be | 12:30 |
| Riddell | katapult showing up on startup is the other bug | 12:30 |
| Riddell | otherwise today's AMD64 live CD is all good | 12:30 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/122898 is fixed now, isnt it? | 12:33 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 122898 in knetworkmanager ""Configure VPN..." requires network-manager-gnome" [Undecided,New] | 12:33 |
| Riddell | dunno, no configure vpn option here | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: yes it is | 12:34 |
| Riddell | but I seem to remember Tonio_ working on it | 12:34 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: that's fixed with 0.2 | 12:34 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I closed the relative bugs, seems I missed that one, sorry for this | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | ah, cool | 12:35 |
| Hobbsee | seems like a lot of bugs that will probably need closing there | 12:35 |
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| Riddell | uh oh | 01:06 |
| Riddell | `id` isn't working | 01:06 |
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| pygi | Hobbsee, poke | 01:27 |
| pygi | ah, yes, ignore me :p | 01:28 |
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| Hobbsee | why yes, leave the channel. | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | it's not like i might be afk, and have been lax about my away status, as usual | 01:48 |
| Hobbsee | and dont /whois me at all, to check my idle time. | 01:48 |
| Riddell | I don't think he ment it like that | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | oh, i realise that | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | i'm just surprised that people dont check that | 01:50 |
| === Hobbsee is only being slightly sarcastic there | ||
| kwwii | you away status slacker | 01:52 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, well. | 01:53 |
| mhb | hi all, hi kwwii | 01:53 |
| kwwii | hi mhb | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: yay, new artwork. is this the final stuff? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | nothing is final | 01:55 |
| Riddell | the kubuntu logo on kdm at least needs changes | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | right | 01:56 |
| Riddell | but that doesn't necessarily need kwwii | 01:56 |
| mhb | kwwii: although I'm not that sure that a two line menu is a usability problem (it seemed pretty well-known to me and other sites use it too, found redhat.com in my 1-minute search - but I'm no usability guy) ... did you try to solve the website menus in a different way? | 01:56 |
| kwwii | mhb: I think it ruins the design actually | 02:01 |
| kwwii | and looks horrible | 02:01 |
| mhb | kwwii: oh, does it? You didn't say so in the first mail. | 02:01 |
| kwwii | I spent some time last night looking at it | 02:01 |
| kwwii | the biggest problem is the usability | 02:02 |
| kwwii | whether one person thinks it look pretty is probably not as important | 02:02 |
| kwwii | what is the problem with using a side navigation? | 02:02 |
| mhb | kwwii: let's scrap the idea, then. | 02:02 |
| mhb | kwwii: actually, the problem I was trying to solve is that using both a menu and a sidebar is confusing (usability-wise) to me | 02:03 |
| kwwii | well, as the site is currently, only the main page has extra links anyway | 02:05 |
| kwwii | and those are on the right | 02:05 |
| ryanakca | Hobbsee: ok, will do | 02:05 |
| kwwii | I admit it would make more sense if the links were on the left | 02:05 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: sorry for not fixing kde4sdk, I'm having a hard time installing gutsy on LVM | 02:05 |
| mhb | kwwii: yes, but the current site is pretty chaotic, too - when it comes to menus | 02:06 |
| kwwii | mhb: agreed | 02:06 |
| kwwii | mhb: perhaps if we added some text to the ones on the right (and therefor didn't have so many) | 02:06 |
| kwwii | they would be more like sub-articles than just links | 02:06 |
| kwwii | kinda like ubuntu.com does on the left side below the banner | 02:07 |
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| kwwii | Hobbsee: btw, the artwork is not final yet | 02:09 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: cool | 02:09 |
| mhb | kwwii: still, how do you intend to solve the two menus problem? By removing the horizontal menu? | 02:11 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: it has now built everywhere | 02:11 |
| jjesse | morning | 02:11 |
| kwwii | mhb: that might be the easiest/best way | 02:12 |
| kwwii | mhb: I guess that the first thing we really need is to decide exactly which links we need and how they are related | 02:12 |
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| seele | screenshot? | 02:13 |
| mhb | I gave some examples in the comments there, although you probably read them by now | 02:13 |
| kwwii | mhb: it seems to me that if we had the "main" links in the right side with a bit of text for each one, and then had the "page" links in the horizontal stripe it would work well (especially because there are so few pages with "page" links) | 02:15 |
| kwwii | I think that 90% of people come to the page and do not click around too much | 02:15 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: oh, so it got fixed? (I got 4-5 emails saying build failed) | 02:17 |
| mhb | kwwii: I'm not really sure about the text, though. The links should be pretty clear by themselves. | 02:18 |
| mhb | kwwii: There is no need to describe what a "download" is, is there? :o) (Funny and stupid example, I know) | 02:19 |
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| kwwii | mhb: well, the site is more informational than anything, so the point is to draw new people and provide them with the info they need... | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell, Hobbsee: can you tell me if you have issues in the shell output of "sudo konqueror" ? | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: here is what I get : | 02:20 |
| kwwii | I think there is a big difference between how ubuntu and kubuntu have done their webpages | 02:20 |
| kwwii | and I have to say that I think ubuntu is doing a better job | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:20 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/361 | 02:20 |
| kwwii | it seems to me like the kubuntu page is an info page for geeks atm | 02:20 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: oki | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:21 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: ^ | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: oki | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | I wanted to understand what causes kdesudo to hang, | 02:21 |
| mhb | kwwii: it is, but I think it is for the lack of editors more than anything | 02:21 |
| Tonio_ | let's make a point toonight ;) | 02:21 |
| kwwii | seems like that sarah chick did something wrong :p | 02:21 |
| kwwii | mhb: I do not think that we need to change the content that much on the main page | 02:22 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: haha | 02:22 |
| mhb | kwwii: do we both see the same page that lists only package news, and has only a few lines about Kubuntu ? | 02:23 |
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| kwwii | mhb: not sure I understand what you mean...are you talking about the ubuntu.ocm site? | 02:24 |
| kwwii | erm, com | 02:24 |
| mhb | kwwii: you said "we do not need to change the content that much on the main page" ... by that I understood kubuntu.org | 02:24 |
| kwwii | yeah, I meant that we would have to radically change things :-) | 02:25 |
| mhb | kwwii: okay | 02:26 |
| kwwii | mhb: we could keep the news parts as they are now, just put them a bit further down....above them would be the marketing slogan kinda thing | 02:27 |
| kwwii | the one paragraph we have now is interesting but does not lead one to click around much | 02:27 |
| mhb | kwwii: why would we want to keep this kind of news on the main page? | 02:27 |
| mhb | kwwii: I know it boils down to target audience ... and I thought we're trying to give information to newcomers | 02:28 |
| kwwii | mhb: I think we will find several people who want to know when the tribes come out, etc...we could also just limit it to the newest articles or such | 02:28 |
| mhb | kwwii: and information about Amarok 1.x.x being released is the last thing on their mind, I'd say | 02:28 |
| rbrunhuber | Where can i find any docs about using kde4 rc1? | 02:28 |
| kwwii | mhb: we could also get rid of the links on the right (as well as everything below the download bar) and then make the main links article-like text with links to the main pages | 02:29 |
| kwwii | one of those would be "news", so we could still show the latest article | 02:30 |
| kwwii | mhb: that would basically make everything that is in a tab now go down into the main page as an article with links | 02:30 |
| kwwii | mhb: and only the news would be updated often | 02:31 |
| kwwii | still showing only the latest news though | 02:31 |
| mhb | kwwii: I have to admit I lost you at "make the main links article like" ... I can't imagine it | 02:31 |
| mhb | I'm sorry | 02:32 |
| mhb | kwwii: still, I'd say putting (frequently updated) news on the main page doesn't seem to be a good idea to me | 02:33 |
| mhb | kwwii: take ubuntu.com ... how often do you check the main page for news? | 02:33 |
| Riddell | where else would it go? | 02:34 |
| Hobbsee | on a news page? | 02:34 |
| mhb | yes, I'd guess so | 02:34 |
| mhb | a news page for a different audience than the main page | 02:34 |
| rbrunhuber | Hobbsee: This is too obvious to see for men :-) | 02:34 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell: What I miss badly is instructions on how to use kde 4 3.90.1. They were on the news on kubuntu.org | 02:36 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell: This time the packages just slipped silently in the repo. | 02:36 |
| Hobbsee | rbrunhuber: so replace the men with more women. easy solution. :P | 02:37 |
| Riddell | rbrunhuber: it's because they're not finished yet and they're not available for feisty | 02:37 |
| Riddell | which I hope to fix soon | 02:38 |
| rbrunhuber | Riddell: I'm using Gutsy. | 02:38 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: poke | 02:39 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: ? | 02:39 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: were you going to fix | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:40 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I uploaded dolphin fixing up some stuff, and I'll try and make it default for folders now | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. | 02:40 |
| mhb | Hobbsee: please, not again | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 | 02:40 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] | 02:40 |
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| Hobbsee | Riddell: neat :) | 02:40 |
| Hobbsee | i should run klipper - it probably wouldnt die | 02:41 |
| mhb | kwwii: we also have a different starting point with ubuntu.com in that we don't have any server version | 02:41 |
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| kwwii | mhb: I agree with you on the news, just wondering who will complain :-) | 02:41 |
| Riddell | most of the news on kubuntu.org are just updated package and pages | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: oki :) | 02:42 |
| mhb | kwwii: the main u.c page, although a better place in general, still seems to contain too much text and no screenshots (for me) ... probably because of the desktop/server versions | 02:42 |
| Riddell | the package announcements can probably be merged into one page | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: how to perform the default choice ? kcm extension to choose the default file manager ? | 02:42 |
| kwwii | mhb: what I like about the ubuntu.com site is that everything you will probably click on has some explanation and/or is part of some text | 02:42 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: make it the default is simply define the inode/directory association | 02:42 |
| kwwii | mhb: right, they have to do it that way, we don't | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I can't understand why I'm the only one having this bug with kdesudo | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: works nicelly without the fade effect | 02:43 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: I syspect there is a bug, but hard to reproduce | 02:43 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: quite possibly. | 02:44 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: and i meant "were you goign to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 ", not the evil, long paste | 02:44 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] | 02:44 |
| kwwii | mhb: taking a small lunch break, be back in a bit | 02:44 |
| mhb | Riddell: with a separate news page, someone could try and add more kubuntu/kde kontent | 02:44 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: it is fixed | 02:45 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: kdm is now localised | 02:46 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: great :) | 02:46 |
| mhb | Riddell: after all, you seem to post happily about various news on the d.k.o :o) | 02:46 |
| mhb | I'm not sure if it is the right way to do, as I'm not sure what is the target audience of the news and what do we want to tell them | 02:46 |
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| mhb | kwwii: another thing I kind of dislike on the ubuntu.com page is that it lacks the "marketing juice" too much | 02:48 |
| mhb | kwwii: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ -- it's the opposite (too much juice), but it's a good example of "marketing juicified" page | 02:51 |
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| jjesse | i love the updated artwork | 03:13 |
| DaSkreech | Gutsy? | 03:28 |
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| Hobbsee | yes | 03:35 |
| kwwii | mhb: true | 03:42 |
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| DaSkreech | Whee. Fedora is shipping with KDE4 | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | as the only K desktop | 03:46 |
| DaSkreech | Should be fun | 03:46 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: now? | 03:47 |
| DaSkreech | For the next release | 03:47 |
| rdieter | DaSkreech: hopefully, if the stars-align. :) | 03:47 |
| DaSkreech | Kstars? | 03:47 |
| rdieter | hee | 03:48 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: yes, but when is that? | 03:49 |
| DaSkreech | Two weeks after KDE 4.0 ships I think | 03:49 |
| Hobbsee | ah | 03:49 |
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| Hobbsee | hurry up... | 03:50 |
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| jjesse | i bet dapper | 03:52 |
| ScottK | We'll see. Sorry. Meant that to be on #ubuntu-motu. | 03:53 |
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| Hobbsee | holy cow.... | 04:03 |
| DaSkreech | Blessed Beef? | 04:05 |
| Hobbsee | well, i either need to give up uni, or give up ubuntu, it looks like. | 04:05 |
| ScottK | Sounds better than sacred salad. | 04:05 |
| DaSkreech | Divine Donuts? | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | Hobbsee: How come? | 04:06 |
| Hobbsee | DaSkreech: just got my uni results | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | oh | 04:06 |
| DaSkreech | that sucks | 04:06 |
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| kwwii | education is over-rated | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: that's true. | 04:14 |
| DaSkreech | kwwii: Like R or like NC-17 ? | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: as in, i knew the fact that i wasnt enjoying it would show up in my marks | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | but uh...this...this is just.... | 04:14 |
| kwwii | lol | 04:14 |
| kwwii | that sucks | 04:14 |
| Hobbsee | kwwii: i mean, this is impressively bad, to the point where i dont think it's my exam they marked :P | 04:15 |
| kwwii | well, it does show that if you do something you do it all the way :-) | 04:15 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Maybe it's time to reconsider the major if you aren't enjoying it? </unsolicited advice> | 04:16 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i failed the maths component the worst, which is a prerequisite for the physics | 04:16 |
| ScottK | Ouch. | 04:16 |
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| DaSkreech | apt-get build-dep physics | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 04:18 |
| Hobbsee | i'm not really surprised - only that i managed to fail it that badly | 04:18 |
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| DaSkreech | http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/unsupported-rapid-oxidation | 04:31 |
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| manchicken | Gutsy is panicking on me when I try to suspend. | 04:43 |
| manchicken | I don't know if it is being caused by driverloader or lirc though. | 04:43 |
| manchicken | Those are the only two changes to the kernel I' | 04:44 |
| manchicken | ve had recently. | 04:44 |
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| kwwii | manchicken: perhaps you need to talk nicely to it so it doesn't get scared | 04:45 |
| manchicken | kwwii: Well, you could have a point. I am rather intimidating, aren't I? heh | 04:47 |
| kwwii | :-) | 04:47 |
| kwwii | that poor machine | 04:48 |
| manchicken | It's an HP. It bloody well deserves it. | 04:48 |
| manchicken | It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again.. | 04:48 |
| manchicken | I'm guessing that spammers don't know that there's no such thing as the "United States National Medical Association." | 04:50 |
| manchicken | heh | 04:50 |
| manchicken | But I doubt that such an organization would urge me to buy any medications online... ever. | 04:51 |
| manchicken | We need a way to disable all accessibility... | 04:56 |
| manchicken | This crappy keyboard keeps triggering the number pad mouse accessibility functionality. | 04:56 |
| manchicken | Ooh, or I could just remove the keybinding :) | 04:58 |
| manchicken | Is there any interface to disable mouse emulation? | 05:00 |
| manchicken | The hotkey isn't working... | 05:00 |
| kwwii | SystemSettings? | 05:03 |
| manchicken | Naw, there's no GUI toggle for it there. | 05:08 |
| manchicken | Only the hotkey setting. | 05:08 |
| manchicken | I think there's a weird bug in the accessibility thing that my screwed up keyboard wondered into. | 05:09 |
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| Riddell | http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/71746/Offer_Kubuntu_as_Ubuntu_Alternative_for_Open_Sourced_PCs now there's an idea :) | 05:17 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: When I updated pinentry to remove pinentry-gtk, should I have added entries that said pinentry-gtk2 replaces/provides pinentry-gtk? | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | Ha ha :) | 05:17 |
| DaSkreech | What would that require on Dell's part | 05:17 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yeah, that would have been good | 05:18 |
| Riddell | shipping a third OS option (not cheap) | 05:18 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: OK. I didn't think of it until after. If I do a debdiff, will you upload it? | 05:18 |
| Hobbsee | sure | 05:19 |
| ScottK | OK. I'll let you know when I have it done. | 05:19 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Why not? | 05:23 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: you've probably got until...working european day tomorrow, as i cant freeze the archive | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | so i'll have time to upload | 05:24 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: you could just milestone the bug, then i'll definetly see it. *g* | 05:24 |
| ScottK | Is it worth that? | 05:24 |
| ScottK | Up to you? | 05:24 |
| ScottK | I should have it done very shortly. Doing it now. | 05:25 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: why not what? | 05:25 |
| DaSkreech | Why would a third option suddenly be expensive? | 05:25 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: for the same reasons a second option is expensive | 05:26 |
| Riddell | balancing supply lines is a difficult thing to do, and made more difficult with each new choice | 05:26 |
| DaSkreech | I can understand that a second option is expensive but after that shouldn't the cost drop pretty quick | 05:26 |
| DaSkreech | esp if the hardware requirements for the third are the same as the second | 05:27 |
| Riddell | yes the QA would be for the next one less, but it would still be more in total | 05:27 |
| Riddell | the numbers involved would be rediculously small though | 05:28 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: well, do, because i probably wont look at my exploding bugmail | 05:28 |
| ScottK | OK. | 05:29 |
| ScottK | Test building it right now. | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 05:29 |
| Hobbsee | please assign it to me, then no one else should touch it | 05:29 |
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| ScottK | WIll do. | 05:30 |
| DaSkreech | Riddell: Numbers to ship or the numbers increase in total? | 05:32 |
| Riddell | DaSkreech: both | 05:33 |
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| ScottK | Hobbsee: Bug #126361 is ready for you to have a look at. | 05:39 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 126361 in pinentry "pinentry-gtk removed, but pinentry-gtk2 does not "replace" it" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126361 | 05:39 |
| Hobbsee | cool | 05:40 |
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| ScottK | Hobbsee: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=886 | 05:50 |
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| Hobbsee | ScottK: haha | 05:52 |
| ScottK | I thought you would like that one. | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | yep :) | 05:52 |
| ScottK | Dig you want me to go ahead an milestone the pinentry bug or are you looking at it now? | 05:53 |
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| Hobbsee | no, go ahead | 05:55 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Looks like all I can do is "Nominate for a relase", i.e. Gutsy. My launchpad-foo isn't up to milestones I guess. | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: milestones are near importance, and status | 05:58 |
| ScottK | Ah. Duh. Thanks. | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | :) | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | no problem | 05:58 |
| ScottK | OK. Done. | 05:59 |
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| jjesse | anyone else having problems with manage repos in adept in gutsy? | 07:22 |
| Riddell | jjesse: what's up with it | 07:26 |
| Riddell | ? | 07:26 |
| jjesse | i clicked on manage repos and nothing showed up | 07:30 |
| jjesse | hmm just came up | 07:31 |
| jjesse | that's wierd took a long long time | 07:31 |
| nixternal | get a faster computer? adept doesn't work on commodore 64 ;p | 07:33 |
| jjesse | !nixternal | 07:33 |
| ubotu | Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! | 07:33 |
| jjesse | take that | 07:33 |
| nixternal | you guys are forcing me to go and buy Vista...I don't like statements that make me a liar ;p | 07:34 |
| jjesse | :) | 07:34 |
| nixternal | I have a Vista lover leaving comments on my blog though | 07:34 |
| jjesse | really? | 07:34 |
| jjesse | was it me? | 07:34 |
| nixternal | ya..erik...he says that Vista is easier to use and better than XP | 07:34 |
| DaSkreech | nixternal: Soooo you are giving out free money? :) | 07:34 |
| nixternal | from what I have seen, Vista isn't easier...at least it wasn't for me | 07:35 |
| jjesse | i think vista is a little bit harder | 07:35 |
| nixternal | XP, I set it to classic and it looks and acts like Windows 98 and 2000 for me, about the last time I really used Windows :) | 07:35 |
| jjesse | hmm quick question: in adept gutsy is the CDROM enabled by default as a repository? | 07:35 |
| nixternal | it used to be.. | 07:35 |
| jjesse | i know, i'm trying to find it | 07:38 |
| jjesse | to see if we still need that section | 07:38 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: How do I fix the missing files (the kbabel stuff) in kde4sdk? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8481707/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.kde4sdk_3.91.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz | 08:20 |
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| _StefanS_ | evening | 08:22 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: it's fixed in ubuntu2 | 08:22 |
| ryanakca | Riddell: oh, ok :) | 08:25 |
| DaSkreech | Ubuntu has a sequel? | 08:30 |
| ryanakca | hehe :) | 08:31 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: Interesting | 08:32 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: ? | 08:33 |
| DaSkreech | gobuntu will become the base for gnewsense | 08:35 |
| DaSkreech | Interesting thought | 08:35 |
| DaSkreech | Course it severely limits what hardware they can test on :) | 08:37 |
| DaSkreech | manchicken_: Busy I take it? | 08:37 |
| DaSkreech | http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2881 | 08:42 |
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| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: Oh yeah. | 08:55 |
| manchicken_ | DaSkreech: I'm trying to get something released here soon :) | 08:55 |
| DaSkreech | Heehee | 08:55 |
| DaSkreech | ok | 08:55 |
| manchicken_ | I suspect that a lot of projects are going to relicense to "gplv2 or later" from straight gplv2 so that this issue can be avoided. | 08:57 |
| DaSkreech | You would hope | 09:01 |
| manchicken_ | I don't think that anybody who holds a GPLv2 who is sticking with v2 would really want to prevent anybody in GPLv3 from linking to their program. | 09:02 |
| manchicken_ | I understand some folks really dislike GPLv3, but I haven't seen or heard of any asshats who were so vindictive that they would prevent the use of their programs in such a way. | 09:04 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ping ? | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: poooooooong | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | :D | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hehe :) | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | so wassup ? | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I investigated a bit concerning my issue, that's due to the fade | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: as long as I disable the fade, everything's right | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | strange isn't it ? | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm | 09:38 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I suspect an issue with fglrx | 09:38 |
| _StefanS_ | maybe its something of the math.. | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | nawp, I run fglrx as well | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: which version ? | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm.. 7.1.0-8.37.6+2.6.22.2-8.3 | 09:39 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: my kubuntu is very "by default" you know :) | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | worked with the one in feisty as well | 09:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: does the fade stall the machine? | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'm running 8.38.6-1+2.6.22-7.14 | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ehm like the UI i mean | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no issue, I can type in the passwd field, but it hangs when I push ok or enter | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | then I have to go to a vt, killall kdesudo and the command launches | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: forever? | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yep | 09:40 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm ok | 09:40 |
| Tonio_ | well at least a few seconds | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that leads me to think that the slotOk is reached | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | it may hang there | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | otherwise the command wouldn't lauch | 09:41 |
| Tonio_ | right ? | 09:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep | 09:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so it works but the display is not updated? | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I tried to put the fade stop at the very begining of the slotok, didn't help | 09:42 |
| _StefanS_ | hm | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looks like that indeed | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | expecially since when I switch to a vt, and back to vt7, I have a black screen | 09:42 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looks like no refresh, indeed | 09:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: can you try to compile it with "if (KConfigGroup(KGlobal::config(), "Fade").readBoolEntry("doFancyFade", false))" on kdesudo.cpp line 214? | 09:43 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so that it uses the classic fade | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: there are lots of issues with the latest fglrx, that's why I suspect it | 09:43 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: without the gray thing right ? | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | fglx sucks hard.. I just asked in #xorg if that current radeon driver support my firegl :) | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no issue | 09:44 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so that works? | 09:44 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I tested with bool doKDESudoFade = false; | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no issue | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that's really caused by the gray thing | 09:45 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: could that be do to a kind of infinite loop or something ? | 09:45 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep.. lets try to go on to rip out some code then | 09:46 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: strange it would just hang on my machine btw.... | 09:46 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: maybe.. | 09:46 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: fglrx have a lot of problems atm but that's for a good reason | 09:46 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: amd put some money on the driver devel and they are coding very very hard on it | 09:46 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so they are adding features now ?? haha | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that causes lots of troubles, but I suspect that in a short future..... | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: they do | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | but I suspect they have to clean the code hardly | 09:47 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: If I could I would rip out this damn ati card and replace it for nvidia | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | especially since they may release the sources :) | 09:47 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: you really think so ? | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: 2 month after I bought my macbook pro, apple switched to nvidia.... | 09:47 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I wanted to kill myself when I saw that | 09:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: tuff luck hehe | 09:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: cant you exchange it? | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: dream on :) | 09:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: dell lappies can do that.. | 09:48 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: but apple crap tends to be very problematic | 09:48 |
| _StefanS_ | I owned two mac mini's, so I know about apple.. | 09:48 |
| Tonio_ | problamatic ? | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well macbook pros are not famous for having lots of problems | 09:49 |
| Tonio_ | not more that any other brand I mean | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: not besides the paint job and them running very hot, and ofcourse the infamous EFI bios.. | 09:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: anyways, lets look at that code. | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | hum efi doesn't cause any trouble here | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: okay :) | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | and concerning myself, I'm switching back to your version of aiglx | 09:50 |
| Tonio_ | we'll see if that's the issue | 09:50 |
| ryanakca | ummm... is not having an icon theme in a default install a known bug? | 09:51 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: nope | 09:51 |
| === ryanakca can't really check since he's stuck in the good old CLI :) | ||
| Tonio_ | not afaik at least :) | 09:51 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: are you gonna switch fglrx first? | 09:52 |
| === ryanakca tries filing it with lynx :) | ||
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: and did you compile that one yourself? | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: err.. made the deb ;) | 09:52 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yep since I'm conviced that's the cause of the issue | 09:52 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: good, lets see what happens. | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: nope I'll use yours, to be sure we have exactly the same config | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: btw once everything's done, I'll turn your code into a patch | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: sounds good. | 09:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: since it requires kdelibs patch to build we cannot release the tarball that way | 09:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep, the kdelibs patch was something I would like to avoid, but then it wouldn't be possible to do it at all | 09:54 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: you're using the standard version of fglrx in fact, the one from the repos ? | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I didn't knew it has been merged :) | 09:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I am | 09:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: latest gutsy stuff | 09:55 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 09:56 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: could you file the bug for me please? lynx doesn't seem to like launchpad :( | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: are you fully up to date ? | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I can see the config, you should have a cursor | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: btw looks fine here | 09:57 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: wouldn't it be nice to check if that's reproducible | 09:58 |
| Tonio_ | ? | 09:58 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: yep, updated, and I tried setting it the new DZM (or ZDM, forget the order) icon theme with the settings manager (moving the mouse and clicking randomly untill I got the right button). In the list, I didn't see any kubuntu named themes :( | 09:59 |
| === Tonio_ rebooting for fglrx | ||
| ryanakca | alternate installer, btw | 09:59 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: ok | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: do you have kubuntu-default-settings installed ? | 09:59 |
| _StefanS_ | quality is very good actually already for tribe 2 .. | 09:59 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: the update when without any change here | 09:59 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: where did you get that latest version of fglrx? | 10:00 |
| ryanakca | yep, I have kubuntu-default-settings, at least according to dpkg... | 10:00 |
| ryanakca | hmm | 10:01 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: first result while back to previous fglrx version : xv and opengl are working again.... | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: got it from ati.com of course | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | let's try kdesudo | 10:05 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: still hanging btw | 10:05 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: still hanging btw | 10:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: how long time are you waiting before you determine it has frozen? | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | so that's not fglrx | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | :'( | 10:06 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: so let's try to confirm your issue | 10:06 |
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| === Tonio_ shits on ndiswrapper as strong as he can.... | ||
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: macbook... uhmmm | 10:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: :D | 10:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the driver is in svn madwifi | 10:08 |
| Tonio_ | I'm just waiting for a merge in the kernel =) | 10:08 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm waiting for some SATA code to get into the kernel also... so that makes two of us waiting for kernel updates :) | 10:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hehe :) | 10:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: anyways.. | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well I could build madwifi from svn, but I prefer to stay with the default to see what the problems are | 10:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes.. I had it with maintaining my kernels aswell | 10:09 |
| _StefanS_ | my own kernels. | 10:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'm also waiting for a patch to improve the speakers support | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | it's a bit buggy atm | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | for example, center is left | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | left is pcm | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | right is center etc....... | 10:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: when the screen freeze, does it flicker or in some way indicate that is has taken a copy of the whole screen ? | 10:10 |
| Tonio_ | and pluging headphones doesn't mute pcm anymore | 10:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: apple vendor lock in ... nice | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no indication afaics | 10:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: thats why I ditched the mac mini's as well; just started to irritate me that little things didn't work. | 10:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ho just fyi, the "OK" buttons stays as if clicked | 10:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ok good ! | 10:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: could you try to put in a kmessagebox in the top of the slotOK code? | 10:12 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: see if it freezes before that. | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 10:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: building | 10:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: what cpu do you have in that pacmacbook ? | 10:14 |
| Tonio_ | core2duo | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | hum Riddell seems far away..... let's go | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: KMessageBox::error(this, i18n("Fuck the fuckin' fuckers!")); | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: is the syntax correct ? | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | ;) | 10:15 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hehe, yes. You forgot to write something about fglrx.. | 10:15 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well it is not the cause of the issue | 10:15 |
| _StefanS_ | together with those f*ck words. | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: can be the CPU indeed | 10:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: is it a powerpc? | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: intel | 10:16 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ok, so the messagebox doesn't show? | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | building ;) | 10:16 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'm doing a package everytime | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I know, that's stupid :) | 10:17 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes just do a debuild -nc and run it from obj-*/kdesudo/kdesudo -u root ls or something | 10:17 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ./configure && make can do the job too =) | 10:18 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: installing the package | 10:19 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: it worked :) | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: super strange | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the box shown, then was deleted and then konqueror launched | 10:20 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looks like there is a delay issue | 10:21 |
| _StefanS_ | err funny.. | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: maybe my machine is just to fast or something.... no ? | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: is there a "sleep" function in cpp ? | 10:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hardly think thats the problem :) | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: bah, maybe but the box workarrounded the problem | 10:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: dont think so, the best is a dialog of some sort (apart from kdebug) | 10:21 |
| Tonio_ | as stupid as it sounds | 10:21 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the messagebox? | 10:22 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 10:22 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the kmessagebox opened, closed and konqueror launched -> no freeze | 10:22 |
| Tonio_ | without the box -> freeze | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | wow thats wierd. | 10:22 |
| _StefanS_ | wierd science :D | 10:22 |
| === _StefanS_ scratches his head | ||
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: trying to build without the messagebox..... | 10:23 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: maybe its that hide thingy that causes it | 10:23 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: means that the "hide" then hides the kmessagebox ? | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | interesting, trying to remove that one | 10:24 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: good idea | 10:24 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: mayke a pray with me !!!!! | 10:24 |
| === Tonio_ lights a cigarette | ||
| === _StefanS_ farts | ||
| === Tonio_ opens a beer | ||
| === Tonio_ scratches his balls | ||
| === ScottK files a bug. | ||
| === Tonio_ smells..... looks like the day has been rude.... | ||
| _StefanS_ | hehe | 10:26 |
| === Tonio_ his happy that Jonathan isn't there, otherwise we would have been kicked I guess :) | ||
| === ScottK wonders if he reads the scrollback? | ||
| _StefanS_ | ScottK: probably not, else he couldn't do anything other than that | 10:28 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: sure he does :) | 10:29 |
| Tonio_ | ScottK: especially since I mensionned his nick just before | 10:29 |
| === ScottK nods | ||
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: done scratching your balls yet? | 10:30 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: doesn't hide ;) | 10:30 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the "OK" button doesn't work anymore | 10:30 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: hmmm... fixed, either by: 1) installing ubuntu-desktop, or 2) reinstalling k-d-s and rebooting | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: strange, something got wrong during the install | 10:31 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: any idea ? | 10:31 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: thinking. | 10:32 |
| Tonio_ | that's weird, really | 10:32 |
| ryanakca | ewww. installing ubuntu-desktop makes kdm want to take gnome by default... :) | 10:32 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: could you try arranging the code like in SlotCancel ? hide, stop, kapp->quit | 10:33 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: oh crud. It's back. I log out of gnome, and lo and behold, no cursor | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: weird.... | 10:33 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'm trying to put the hide at the very begining of the slotOk | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | and then try what you suggest | 10:34 |
| _StefanS_ | ok | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well it's what it does :) | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | hide at the very begining | 10:34 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looks like the "this" differs between our 2 machines | 10:34 |
| _StefanS_ | yep.. | 10:35 |
| _StefanS_ | actually I think it should just be hide(); without the this-> | 10:35 |
| _StefanS_ | I will try to build something here | 10:35 |
| Tonio_ | shoudl it ? | 10:35 |
| _StefanS_ | I'm going to test if it makes any difference here | 10:36 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: btw, I didn't see that bug with the cached password because I set sudo to timeout everytime | 10:37 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: there is no bug with the cached password afaics | 10:37 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: no, you fixed that one yourself :) - I just didn't see it because of my local sudo settings | 10:38 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: just for info :) | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: ah oki ;) | 10:38 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: removing this-> doesn't make a difference here, please try it on your installation | 10:38 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: tried with the this->hide at the begining, doesn't work | 10:39 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: slotOk should definitely not have a kapp->quit(). | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: second attempt | 10:39 |
| _StefanS_ | so dont add that. | 10:39 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I didn't of course | 10:40 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: should I put the feedback stop just after the hide or not ? | 10:40 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: its just aestethics.. | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | oki | 10:41 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: not really important for this bug we're trying to solve (IMHO) | 10:41 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: doesn't gnome crashes your settings somehow ? | 10:41 |
| ryanakca | hmmmm... dunno. I can't see why using gnome should mess up kde, .kde and .gnome2 (or whatever they use) shouldn't come in contact... I don't think | 10:42 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: to understand this correctly; the fade works fine up until you click ok or press enter, right? | 10:43 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yep | 10:44 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ok | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: doesn't work, with hide() | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | nothing changes | 10:44 |
| Tonio_ | without hide, the button doesn't work.... | 10:45 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I suspect the Cancel action to also bug here | 10:47 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: but the kapp-quit() workarrounds the issue | 10:47 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm it gets me kinda puzzled | 10:49 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I really suspect an issue with my cpu | 10:50 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: trying to add the kapp->quit() after the command is launched | 10:50 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: I've got my problem temporarily solved with 'oneko'... it's a cat that follows the mouse... so I have an idea of where the mouse is | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | I find it really wierd that the Kdialog behaves like that... ok button not working and stuff | 10:51 |
| ryanakca | give or take | 10:51 |
| _StefanS_ | ryanakca: haha :D | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: LOL | 10:51 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: yeah that doesn't make sense..... | 10:52 |
| ryanakca | :D | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: especially since I don't have any issue without the fade | 10:52 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yes, but the logout works fine, right? | 10:52 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: not a problem with the theme ? you can''t see the cursor at all ? | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no isse, right | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: there must be a difference somewhere | 10:53 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: not really, its all copy-paste :D | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: not in the code, but in the way it is used | 10:53 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: interesting | 10:54 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog instead of WType_Popup | 10:54 |
| _StefanS_ | line 45 | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/362 | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: there no hang | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: kapp->is by the end | 10:55 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: nope, not at all | 10:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep, then it must be the remaining code run after that | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | that's weird, since it means all the code is executed | 10:55 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: isn't the hang somewhere else ? ;) | 10:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I think so | 10:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: must be in the remaining code | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 10:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Kprocess things | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: but once again, only appears with the fade | 10:56 |
| _StefanS_ | yes true.. | 10:56 |
| _StefanS_ | but how would that interfere with the shell stuff... wierd | 10:56 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: one thing I saw | 10:57 |
| _StefanS_ | try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog as I wrote, and test it | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: the kapp->quit is executed before the fade does | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: means that the code is executed during the fadeout right ? | 10:57 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: testing | 10:58 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: actually the kapp-quit() should just exit | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: it does | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: but not after the fade out | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: during the fadeout | 10:58 |
| Tonio_ | is that normal ? | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | ah, well thats because of the timer | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: can't taht be my issue ? | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | well maybe.. | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | maybe the code hangs somehow if the fadeout is running | 10:59 |
| _StefanS_ | try changing that timer on line 360 to : QTimer::singleShot( 5, this, SLOT( slotPaintEffect() ) ); | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: isn't there a way to execute the code step by step, as if it were a script ? | 10:59 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: oki | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: testing the popup things before | 11:00 |
| _StefanS_ | well I havent used that, unfortunately.. so | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: we'll know in 2 minutes | 11:02 |
| _StefanS_ | damn this 80's channel is just cool :) | 11:02 |
| _StefanS_ | di.fm.. the best stuff there is | 11:02 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: works with a dialog | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | except I have a toolbar on the top of course | 11:04 |
| _StefanS_ | WType_Dialog? | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | yup | 11:04 |
| _StefanS_ | hmm | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | no hang this time | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | trying the second potential fix | 11:04 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: : QWidget( 0L, "feedbackwidget", WType_Popup ), | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | that line right ? | 11:05 |
| Tonio_ | this is ere I changed it | 11:05 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: http://blog.ryanak.ca/nomouse.png :D | 11:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ok good | 11:06 |
| _StefanS_ | what an ugly cat :) | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I suspect that's a very local problem | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: good ? :) | 11:06 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: strange that a dialog works better than a popup no ? | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: well yes.. I know its not good. | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | hehe | 11:07 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: hmm | 11:07 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: what is the timeout for the logout ? | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the thing is that WType_Poup is just basic Qt3, and I cant why it wouldn't work | 11:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: lemme check | 11:07 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: is it possible to remove all X related packages? | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove --purge x* | 11:08 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: but you don't want to do that for sure :) | 11:08 |
| _StefanS_ | ryanakca: maybe just apt-get install <package> --reinstall ? | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: isn't there a kpopp thing ? | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | kpopup ? | 11:09 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: well, at least remove everything related to kubuntu-desktop... didn't raphink make a script for that one upon a time? | 11:09 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove | 11:09 |
| ryanakca | ah, thanks :) | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: doesn't work with the timeout set to 5 | 11:10 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looks like hanging before that | 11:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the timers in ksmserver is (search in kdesudo.cpp after QTimer), 10, 5, 1 | 11:11 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: changed to 5 but it doesn't work.... | 11:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: nope haven't seen anything about kpopup | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: uhm ok. | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | weird.............. super weird | 11:12 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: better sleep on it, I have to code some other stuff | 11:12 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I can understand, but we'll have to investigate another day I guess.... | 11:13 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: sure, I just getting way too tired.. my kid wakes up usually 6.00 in the morning, and its 23:14 here now. Gotta sleep | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | hehe ;) | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | sleep well ;) | 11:14 |
| _StefanS_ | u2 | 11:14 |
| _StefanS_ | nighty | 11:14 |
| Tonio_ | :) | 11:14 |
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| Tonio_ | ryanakca: can you beleive I just found the solution to the bug ? | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | poor _StefanS_ | 11:18 |
| Tonio_ | he will think about it aaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll the night :) | 11:18 |
| ryanakca | Tonio_: hahaha :D | 11:18 |
| ryanakca | hmm.. nope. I guess I'll just have to do a new install. | 11:20 |
| ryanakca | wait... I already have my LVM set up. Can I install using the liveCD onto the LVM? | 11:21 |
| Tonio_ | ryanakca: I think so | 11:23 |
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| Arby | cool, I have a KDE flavoured gobuntu running on a laptop | 12:00 |
| Arby | wasn't expecting that to work | 12:01 |
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