=== claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-54-80.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:18] that sucks === erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] Erm, should the installer try to mount swap? http://pastebin.ca/621144 , If so, I'll file a bug saying that it repeatedly fails, if not, I'll file a bug against debian-installer saying that it tries to mount swap === apacheLAGger [n=me@N798P023.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-54-80.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cynics [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ksheffield [n=ksheffie@c-76-111-5-66.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === maniacmusician_ [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p5495636E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A72213.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === BentJ [n=BentJ@port46.ds1-esp.adsl.cybercity.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === scotty_ [n=scotty@unaffiliated/scotty] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [06:46] ryanakca: i'd probably ask cjwatson about that in #ubuntu-devel, when he wakes up === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === pgquiles [n=pgquiles@62.43.226.52.static.user.ono.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:15] howdy! [08:15] holy smokes I have finished a TON of homework today [08:17] yay! === Hobbsee still hasnt finished her resume, unfortunately [08:17] I will worry about that next year :) [08:17] hehe [08:18] did k-d-s break? [08:19] shouldnt have, why? [08:20] it is behind held back [08:20] looks like it built fine [08:20] then dist-upgrade [08:20] I thought I did...I guess not === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Longfield [n=valentin@lsa1pc7.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Longfield is now known as vlo === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonasp [i=jonas@i59F743C3.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:25] <_StefanS_> morning === apacheLAGger2 [n=me@N732P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:49] _StefanS_: ping ? [09:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: pong ? [09:50] _StefanS_: hey ;) [09:51] _StefanS_: I built and tested kdesudo, couple of issues.... [09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wassup ?! [09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: probably :D [09:51] _StefanS_: first issue was that the fade appeared everytime, even if no passwd is asked [09:51] _StefanS_: I fixed that one easilly [09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok [09:51] _StefanS_: 2 other issues I can't seem to fix [09:51] _StefanS_: first is that the window isn't centrered on the screen [09:51] <_StefanS_> I can fix that.. I already have that on my list [09:51] _StefanS_: looks like hardcoded centered for 1280*1024 resol [09:52] <_StefanS_> something like it [09:52] <_StefanS_> number two? [09:52] _StefanS_: second issue is that I when I put a passwd, and click on "OK" nothing happens, looks like hanging somehow [09:53] <_StefanS_> but typing the password and hitting enter, works right? [09:53] _StefanS_: no issue when the sudo passwd is cached, so the global mecanism isn't broken, just an issue in the window validation something like that [09:53] _StefanS_: no doesn't work with enter too.... [09:53] _StefanS_: fancy testing the package ? [09:53] <_StefanS_> ok I will look into that. [09:53] _StefanS_: kdelibs is patched [09:53] <_StefanS_> yes [09:53] <_StefanS_> I know ;) [09:53] oki gimme a second to upload [09:53] _StefanS_: I meant 'the patch is in the repos" :) [09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes I have installed them already :) [09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I run gutsy. [09:54] <_StefanS_> on my lappie.. [09:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw.. how do you want me to fix the code ? Taking the current bzr, or your regular source package ? [09:56] _StefanS_: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/ [09:56] _StefanS_: you'll find the package there [09:56] _StefanS_: source package and bzr are the same :) [09:56] _StefanS_: you can fix in bzr or fix in the package, then gimme a fix, no issue on that point [09:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok I was just worried about source sync issues... as long as you handle that, its fine :) [09:58] yup :) [09:58] <_StefanS_> installing it now. [09:58] great, thanks [09:58] _StefanS_: if you can reproduce the hand, just switch to a VT and killall kdesudo, that works [09:58] <_StefanS_> uhm libkbluetooth0 had some problems installing [09:58] _StefanS_: remove the current package and reinstall [09:58] <_StefanS_> ok [09:58] _StefanS_: that's an issue due to package transition [09:58] <_StefanS_> ah, I see. [09:59] files changing from one package to another [09:59] <_StefanS_> there seems to be a general issue with that icon-cache thingy.. almost all packages complain about it [10:04] _StefanS_: yup, but I fixed that in bzr, no need to install the icons for kdesudo [10:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i hope that bug is going to be fixed in the future for the other packages.... [10:06] _StefanS_: sure === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:10] Tonio_, Hobbsee: you still have a package each on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html [11:10] Riddell: awww, damn. i was hoping to avoid that one indefinetly === Hobbsee wonders how this ever got in in the first place [11:14] I wonder how the daily CDs are getting on [11:14] reasonably well [11:14] after infinity fixes the i386 builder. === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:15] Riddell: i think that kubuntu-wise, we're just waiting until the freeze, to do the testing [11:15] i386 builder? the i386 CDs seem built === Hobbsee continues to ignore kguitar [11:16] the livefs' havent for a few days, due to using the old apt [11:16] ah, right, thanks [11:17] Riddell: for kguitar, i'm waiting until upstream releases a new version === rouzic_ [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I fixed that dialog centering.. could you test ? http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb [11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the diff is here: http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo-fix-dialog.diff [11:25] _StefanS_: testing [11:25] <_StefanS_> goody.. === _StefanS_ crosses fingers. [11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I cant really duplicate that bug related to clicking Ok.. [11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: works fine here. [11:28] _StefanS_: hum...... [11:29] when you type the password, and click OK, the app launches ? [11:29] <_StefanS_> yups. [11:29] <_StefanS_> works great. Just launched adept now with administrative privileges [11:29] hum......... [11:29] <_StefanS_> indeed :) [11:29] should be an issue with X or something no ? [11:30] <_StefanS_> did you ever reboot after installing the packages ? [11:30] <_StefanS_> or logout.. [11:30] _StefanS_: yep [11:30] <_StefanS_> uhm.. we need someone else to test it then, just to make sure your installation is bad. :) [11:30] <_StefanS_> what about hobbs? [11:30] _StefanS_: it isn't btw :) [11:30] <_StefanS_> or Riddell [11:30] <_StefanS_> hehe [11:30] moi? [11:30] Riddell: s'il te plait :) [11:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep.. kdesudo test [11:30] Riddell: testing kdesudo test would be nice [11:31] _StefanS_: can you try with konqueror please ? kdesudo konqueror [11:31] <_StefanS_> sure === Hobbsee glances back in here, and notes that she doesnt have a highlight on hobbs [11:31] looks like adept works for me too, only konqueror seems to fail [11:31] _StefanS_: btw it worked nicelly without the fade [11:31] _StefanS_: centring the window works [11:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, konqueror launches fine also [11:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: glad it worked :) [11:31] _StefanS_: sh*t [11:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: guess your installation is not that good as you want it to :D [11:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, I will implement the configuration items later today [11:33] <_StefanS_> (fade in speed/opacity/fadeback speed) [11:34] <_StefanS_> I was thinking .. actually it would be nice just to have a fullscreen fade instead of the wipe .. [11:34] <_StefanS_> I might look into that. === Hobbsee wonders why one cant see the borders and such around the kdesudo prompt now [11:35] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thats because of the window type (WType_Popup has no borders).. but maybe we can turn them on [11:35] kdesudo: symbol lookup error: kdesudo: undefined symbol: _ZN15KPasswordDialogC2ENS_5TypesEbiRK7QStringjP7QWidgetPKc [11:35] got sources? [11:35] _StefanS_: like, not even the border that tells you the name fo the app [11:36] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: correct [11:36] weird [11:36] just looks a little weird :) [11:36] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thats normal for this dialog type [11:36] ah. wonder why i havent seen it before [11:36] <_StefanS_> look at the logout dialog :) [11:37] point. [11:42] <_StefanS_> gotta run now [11:42] <_StefanS_> be back later... [11:46] Riddell: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org [11:46] Riddell: you might find the sources there [11:47] Hobbsee: no issues running "kdesudo konqueror" ? [11:47] Hobbsee: just hangs here [11:47] Hobbsee: I suspect something wrong with X or something [11:48] Tonio_: how do i kill the kdesudo thingy, so it prompts me for a passworrrrd again? === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a514:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5c4:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] Hobbsee: so you confirm my issue ? [12:01] Hobbsee: it will not launch konqueror and kind of hangs on the password ? === axxo [n=axxo@83.217.70.247] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:01] Hobbsee: you have to go to a VT, then killall kdesudo === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-007-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:02] Hobbsee: when no passwd is asked, it works like a charm [12:02] Tonio_: no, my problme is is that i've used kdesudo once, and it worked, so just automatically pops up the app when kdesudo is next called [12:02] Hobbsee: Stefan doesn't seem to be able to reproduce, but that's the bug I have: ) [12:02] Hobbsee: pleased to see you have the same problem than me ;) [12:02] Hobbsee: now I can expect a fix hehe :) [12:03] i'm not convinced that what i see isnt the intended behaviour [12:04] i use kdesudo konqueror once, it works fine. i use kdesudo konqueror again, it opens up konqueror, without the root password entry required, due to the kdesudo password caching. this is intended behaviour, is it not? [12:04] Hobbsee: it is not [12:04] Tonio_: ^ [12:04] Hobbsee: it is [12:04] Hobbsee: so you don't have issues ? [12:04] Hobbsee: damnit [12:04] i dont seem to, nope [12:04] Hobbsee: kdesudo just hangs here [12:04] Hobbsee: I'm convinced that's somehow linked to xorg, I have to investigate [12:04] it sits for about half a second with no action here, then the rquired app pops up [12:05] Hobbsee: oki ;) === rouzic_ [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] oh, kdesudo needs a patched kdelibs, that'll explain it === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:16] Riddell: which...is in the latest upload of kdelibs, yes === nihui [n=nihui@58.34.252.116] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:23] Tonio_: knetworkmanager doesn't let me connect to my wired network on today's live CD === nihui [n=nihui@58.34.252.116] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] [12:27] Riddell: sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/123914 [12:27] Launchpad bug 123914 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager doesn't initially connect to wired network" [High,Confirmed] === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-110-34.w90-36.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:30] could be [12:30] katapult showing up on startup is the other bug [12:30] otherwise today's AMD64 live CD is all good [12:33] Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/122898 is fixed now, isnt it? [12:33] Launchpad bug 122898 in knetworkmanager ""Configure VPN..." requires network-manager-gnome" [Undecided,New] [12:34] dunno, no configure vpn option here [12:34] Hobbsee: yes it is [12:34] but I seem to remember Tonio_ working on it [12:34] cool [12:34] Hobbsee: that's fixed with 0.2 [12:35] Hobbsee: I closed the relative bugs, seems I missed that one, sorry for this [12:35] ah, cool [12:35] seems like a lot of bugs that will probably need closing there === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@p54977058.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:06] uh oh [01:06] `id` isn't working === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apacheLAGger2 is now known as apachelogger === pygi [n=mario@89.164.153.242] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:27] Hobbsee, poke [01:28] ah, yes, ignore me :p === rdieter [n=rdieter@sting.unl.edu] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:48] why yes, leave the channel. [01:48] it's not like i might be afk, and have been lax about my away status, as usual [01:48] and dont /whois me at all, to check my idle time. [01:50] I don't think he ment it like that [01:50] oh, i realise that [01:50] i'm just surprised that people dont check that === Hobbsee is only being slightly sarcastic there [01:52] you away status slacker [01:53] yeah, well. [01:53] hi all, hi kwwii [01:53] hi mhb [01:55] kwwii: yay, new artwork. is this the final stuff? [01:55] nothing is final [01:56] the kubuntu logo on kdm at least needs changes [01:56] right [01:56] but that doesn't necessarily need kwwii [01:56] kwwii: although I'm not that sure that a two line menu is a usability problem (it seemed pretty well-known to me and other sites use it too, found redhat.com in my 1-minute search - but I'm no usability guy) ... did you try to solve the website menus in a different way? [02:01] mhb: I think it ruins the design actually [02:01] and looks horrible [02:01] kwwii: oh, does it? You didn't say so in the first mail. [02:01] I spent some time last night looking at it [02:02] the biggest problem is the usability [02:02] whether one person thinks it look pretty is probably not as important [02:02] what is the problem with using a side navigation? [02:02] kwwii: let's scrap the idea, then. [02:03] kwwii: actually, the problem I was trying to solve is that using both a menu and a sidebar is confusing (usability-wise) to me [02:05] well, as the site is currently, only the main page has extra links anyway [02:05] and those are on the right [02:05] Hobbsee: ok, will do [02:05] I admit it would make more sense if the links were on the left [02:05] Riddell: sorry for not fixing kde4sdk, I'm having a hard time installing gutsy on LVM [02:06] kwwii: yes, but the current site is pretty chaotic, too - when it comes to menus [02:06] mhb: agreed [02:06] mhb: perhaps if we added some text to the ones on the right (and therefor didn't have so many) [02:06] they would be more like sub-articles than just links [02:07] kinda like ubuntu.com does on the left side below the banner === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:09] Hobbsee: btw, the artwork is not final yet [02:09] kwwii: cool [02:11] kwwii: still, how do you intend to solve the two menus problem? By removing the horizontal menu? [02:11] ryanakca: it has now built everywhere [02:11] morning [02:12] mhb: that might be the easiest/best way [02:12] mhb: I guess that the first thing we really need is to decide exactly which links we need and how they are related === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] screenshot? [02:13] I gave some examples in the comments there, although you probably read them by now [02:15] mhb: it seems to me that if we had the "main" links in the right side with a bit of text for each one, and then had the "page" links in the horizontal stripe it would work well (especially because there are so few pages with "page" links) [02:15] I think that 90% of people come to the page and do not click around too much [02:17] Riddell: oh, so it got fixed? (I got 4-5 emails saying build failed) [02:18] kwwii: I'm not really sure about the text, though. The links should be pretty clear by themselves. [02:19] kwwii: There is no need to describe what a "download" is, is there? :o) (Funny and stupid example, I know) === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:20] mhb: well, the site is more informational than anything, so the point is to draw new people and provide them with the info they need... [02:20] Riddell, Hobbsee: can you tell me if you have issues in the shell output of "sudo konqueror" ? [02:20] Riddell: here is what I get : [02:20] I think there is a big difference between how ubuntu and kubuntu have done their webpages [02:20] and I have to say that I think ubuntu is doing a better job [02:20] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:20] Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:20] Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:20] http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/361 [02:20] it seems to me like the kubuntu page is an info page for geeks atm [02:21] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:21] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:21] Hobbsee: oki [02:21] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:21] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:21] Tonio_: ^ [02:21] Hobbsee: oki [02:21] I wanted to understand what causes kdesudo to hang, [02:21] kwwii: it is, but I think it is for the lack of editors more than anything [02:21] let's make a point toonight ;) [02:21] seems like that sarah chick did something wrong :p [02:22] mhb: I do not think that we need to change the content that much on the main page [02:22] kwwii: haha [02:23] kwwii: do we both see the same page that lists only package news, and has only a few lines about Kubuntu ? === allee [n=ach@lapex-mcallee.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:24] mhb: not sure I understand what you mean...are you talking about the ubuntu.ocm site? [02:24] erm, com [02:24] kwwii: you said "we do not need to change the content that much on the main page" ... by that I understood kubuntu.org [02:25] yeah, I meant that we would have to radically change things :-) [02:26] kwwii: okay [02:27] mhb: we could keep the news parts as they are now, just put them a bit further down....above them would be the marketing slogan kinda thing [02:27] the one paragraph we have now is interesting but does not lead one to click around much [02:27] kwwii: why would we want to keep this kind of news on the main page? [02:28] kwwii: I know it boils down to target audience ... and I thought we're trying to give information to newcomers [02:28] mhb: I think we will find several people who want to know when the tribes come out, etc...we could also just limit it to the newest articles or such [02:28] kwwii: and information about Amarok 1.x.x being released is the last thing on their mind, I'd say [02:28] Where can i find any docs about using kde4 rc1? [02:29] mhb: we could also get rid of the links on the right (as well as everything below the download bar) and then make the main links article-like text with links to the main pages [02:30] one of those would be "news", so we could still show the latest article [02:30] mhb: that would basically make everything that is in a tab now go down into the main page as an article with links [02:31] mhb: and only the news would be updated often [02:31] still showing only the latest news though [02:31] kwwii: I have to admit I lost you at "make the main links article like" ... I can't imagine it [02:32] I'm sorry [02:33] kwwii: still, I'd say putting (frequently updated) news on the main page doesn't seem to be a good idea to me [02:33] kwwii: take ubuntu.com ... how often do you check the main page for news? [02:34] where else would it go? [02:34] on a news page? [02:34] yes, I'd guess so [02:34] a news page for a different audience than the main page [02:34] Hobbsee: This is too obvious to see for men :-) [02:36] Riddell: What I miss badly is instructions on how to use kde 4 3.90.1. They were on the news on kubuntu.org [02:36] Riddell: This time the packages just slipped silently in the repo. [02:37] rbrunhuber: so replace the men with more women. easy solution. :P [02:37] rbrunhuber: it's because they're not finished yet and they're not available for feisty [02:38] which I hope to fix soon [02:38] Riddell: I'm using Gutsy. [02:39] Tonio_: poke [02:39] Hobbsee: ? [02:40] Tonio_: were you going to fix [02:40] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:40] Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:40] Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:40] Tonio_: I uploaded dolphin fixing up some stuff, and I'll try and make it default for folders now [02:40] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:40] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:40] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:40] Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0. [02:40] Hobbsee: please, not again [02:40] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 [02:40] Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] === Hobbsee kills her copy key [02:40] Riddell: neat :) [02:41] i should run klipper - it probably wouldnt die [02:41] kwwii: we also have a different starting point with ubuntu.com in that we don't have any server version === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:41] mhb: I agree with you on the news, just wondering who will complain :-) [02:42] most of the news on kubuntu.org are just updated package and pages [02:42] Riddell: oki :) [02:42] kwwii: the main u.c page, although a better place in general, still seems to contain too much text and no screenshots (for me) ... probably because of the desktop/server versions [02:42] the package announcements can probably be merged into one page [02:42] Riddell: how to perform the default choice ? kcm extension to choose the default file manager ? [02:42] mhb: what I like about the ubuntu.com site is that everything you will probably click on has some explanation and/or is part of some text [02:42] Riddell: make it the default is simply define the inode/directory association [02:43] mhb: right, they have to do it that way, we don't [02:43] Hobbsee: I can't understand why I'm the only one having this bug with kdesudo [02:43] Hobbsee: works nicelly without the fade effect [02:43] Hobbsee: I syspect there is a bug, but hard to reproduce [02:44] Tonio_: quite possibly. [02:44] Tonio_: and i meant "were you goign to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 ", not the evil, long paste [02:44] Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] [02:44] mhb: taking a small lunch break, be back in a bit [02:44] Riddell: with a separate news page, someone could try and add more kubuntu/kde kontent [02:45] Hobbsee: it is fixed [02:46] Hobbsee: kdm is now localised [02:46] Tonio_: great :) [02:46] Riddell: after all, you seem to post happily about various news on the d.k.o :o) [02:46] I'm not sure if it is the right way to do, as I'm not sure what is the target audience of the news and what do we want to tell them === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-007-229.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:48] kwwii: another thing I kind of dislike on the ubuntu.com page is that it lacks the "marketing juice" too much [02:51] kwwii: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ -- it's the opposite (too much juice), but it's a good example of "marketing juicified" page === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:13] i love the updated artwork [03:28] Gutsy? === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:35] yes [03:42] mhb: true === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:46] Whee. Fedora is shipping with KDE4 [03:46] as the only K desktop [03:46] Should be fun [03:47] DaSkreech: now? [03:47] For the next release [03:47] DaSkreech: hopefully, if the stars-align. :) [03:47] Kstars? [03:48] hee [03:49] DaSkreech: yes, but when is that? [03:49] Two weeks after KDE 4.0 ships I think [03:49] ah === Hobbsee waits. 11 minutes. [03:50] hurry up... === tmske_ [n=thomas@106.227-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ScottK watches the Dapper and Edgy buildd's cough, weeze, and come back to life to see which will win the race to build clamav 0.88.7. [03:52] i bet dapper [03:53] We'll see. Sorry. Meant that to be on #ubuntu-motu. === fdoving [n=frode@edge.lnix.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:03] holy cow.... [04:05] Blessed Beef? [04:05] well, i either need to give up uni, or give up ubuntu, it looks like. [04:05] Sounds better than sacred salad. [04:06] Divine Donuts? [04:06] Hobbsee: How come? [04:06] DaSkreech: just got my uni results [04:06] oh [04:06] that sucks === ksheffield_ [n=ksheffie@c-76-111-5-66.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fraggle_ [n=fraggle@bea13-2-82-239-143-199.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === fraggle_ [n=fraggle@bea13-2-82-239-143-199.fbx.proxad.net] has left #kubuntu-devel ["-ENOBRAIN"] [04:13] education is over-rated [04:14] kwwii: that's true. [04:14] kwwii: Like R or like NC-17 ? [04:14] kwwii: as in, i knew the fact that i wasnt enjoying it would show up in my marks [04:14] but uh...this...this is just.... [04:14] lol [04:14] that sucks [04:15] kwwii: i mean, this is impressively bad, to the point where i dont think it's my exam they marked :P [04:15] well, it does show that if you do something you do it all the way :-) [04:16] Hobbsee: Maybe it's time to reconsider the major if you aren't enjoying it? [04:16] ScottK: i failed the maths component the worst, which is a prerequisite for the physics [04:16] Ouch. === ScottK passes condolences. === gnomefreak [n=gnomefre@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:18] apt-get build-dep physics [04:18] haha [04:18] i'm not really surprised - only that i managed to fail it that badly === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:31] http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/unsupported-rapid-oxidation === manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180071033.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N732P007.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:43] Gutsy is panicking on me when I try to suspend. [04:43] I don't know if it is being caused by driverloader or lirc though. [04:44] Those are the only two changes to the kernel I' [04:44] ve had recently. === tmske [n=thomas@106.227-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:45] manchicken: perhaps you need to talk nicely to it so it doesn't get scared [04:47] kwwii: Well, you could have a point. I am rather intimidating, aren't I? heh [04:47] :-) [04:48] that poor machine [04:48] It's an HP. It bloody well deserves it. [04:48] It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again.. [04:50] I'm guessing that spammers don't know that there's no such thing as the "United States National Medical Association." [04:50] heh [04:51] But I doubt that such an organization would urge me to buy any medications online... ever. [04:56] We need a way to disable all accessibility... [04:56] This crappy keyboard keeps triggering the number pad mouse accessibility functionality. [04:58] Ooh, or I could just remove the keybinding :) [05:00] Is there any interface to disable mouse emulation? [05:00] The hotkey isn't working... [05:03] SystemSettings? [05:08] Naw, there's no GUI toggle for it there. [05:08] Only the hotkey setting. [05:09] I think there's a weird bug in the accessibility thing that my screwed up keyboard wondered into. === mjunx [n=matt@adsl-76-217-121-19.dsl.emhril.sbcglobal.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:17] http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/71746/Offer_Kubuntu_as_Ubuntu_Alternative_for_Open_Sourced_PCs now there's an idea :) [05:17] Hobbsee: When I updated pinentry to remove pinentry-gtk, should I have added entries that said pinentry-gtk2 replaces/provides pinentry-gtk? [05:17] Ha ha :) [05:17] What would that require on Dell's part [05:18] ScottK: yeah, that would have been good [05:18] shipping a third OS option (not cheap) [05:18] Hobbsee: OK. I didn't think of it until after. If I do a debdiff, will you upload it? [05:19] sure [05:19] OK. I'll let you know when I have it done. [05:23] Riddell: Why not? [05:24] ScottK: you've probably got until...working european day tomorrow, as i cant freeze the archive [05:24] so i'll have time to upload [05:24] ScottK: you could just milestone the bug, then i'll definetly see it. *g* [05:24] Is it worth that? [05:24] Up to you? [05:25] I should have it done very shortly. Doing it now. [05:25] DaSkreech: why not what? [05:25] Why would a third option suddenly be expensive? [05:26] DaSkreech: for the same reasons a second option is expensive [05:26] balancing supply lines is a difficult thing to do, and made more difficult with each new choice [05:26] I can understand that a second option is expensive but after that shouldn't the cost drop pretty quick [05:27] esp if the hardware requirements for the third are the same as the second [05:27] yes the QA would be for the next one less, but it would still be more in total [05:28] the numbers involved would be rediculously small though [05:28] ScottK: well, do, because i probably wont look at my exploding bugmail [05:29] OK. [05:29] Test building it right now. [05:29] cool [05:29] please assign it to me, then no one else should touch it === ScottK files the bug while it builds [05:30] WIll do. [05:32] Riddell: Numbers to ship or the numbers increase in total? [05:33] DaSkreech: both === apacheLAGger [n=me@N822P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:39] Hobbsee: Bug #126361 is ready for you to have a look at. [05:39] Launchpad bug 126361 in pinentry "pinentry-gtk removed, but pinentry-gtk2 does not "replace" it" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126361 [05:40] cool === jpetso [n=jpetso@v213-022.vps.tuwien.ac.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:50] Hobbsee: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=886 === apacheLAGger is now known as apachelogger [05:52] ScottK: haha [05:52] I thought you would like that one. [05:52] yep :) [05:53] Dig you want me to go ahead an milestone the pinentry bug or are you looking at it now? === hunger [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:55] no, go ahead [05:57] Hobbsee: Looks like all I can do is "Nominate for a relase", i.e. Gutsy. My launchpad-foo isn't up to milestones I guess. [05:58] ScottK: milestones are near importance, and status [05:58] Ah. Duh. Thanks. [05:58] :) [05:58] no problem [05:59] OK. 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[07:30] i clicked on manage repos and nothing showed up [07:31] hmm just came up [07:31] that's wierd took a long long time [07:33] get a faster computer? adept doesn't work on commodore 64 ;p [07:33] !nixternal [07:33] Oh no! The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived! He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too! [07:33] take that [07:34] you guys are forcing me to go and buy Vista...I don't like statements that make me a liar ;p [07:34] :) [07:34] I have a Vista lover leaving comments on my blog though [07:34] really? [07:34] was it me? [07:34] ya..erik...he says that Vista is easier to use and better than XP [07:34] nixternal: Soooo you are giving out free money? :) [07:35] from what I have seen, Vista isn't easier...at least it wasn't for me [07:35] i think vista is a little bit harder [07:35] XP, I set it to classic and it looks and acts like Windows 98 and 2000 for me, about the last time I really used Windows :) [07:35] hmm quick question: in adept gutsy is the CDROM enabled by default as a repository? [07:35]