[01:18] <jjesse> that sucks
[01:35] <ryanakca> Erm, should the installer try to mount swap? http://pastebin.ca/621144 , If so, I'll file a bug saying that it repeatedly fails, if not, I'll file a bug against debian-installer saying that it tries to mount swap
[06:46] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: i'd probably ask cjwatson about that in #ubuntu-devel, when he wakes up
[08:15] <nixternal> howdy!
[08:15] <nixternal> holy smokes I have finished a TON of homework today
[08:17] <Hobbsee> yay!
[08:17] <nixternal> I will worry about that next year :)
[08:17] <Hobbsee> hehe
[08:18] <nixternal> did k-d-s break?
[08:19] <Hobbsee> shouldnt have, why?
[08:20] <nixternal> it is behind held back
[08:20] <nixternal> looks like it built fine
[08:20] <Hobbsee> then dist-upgrade
[08:20] <nixternal> I thought I did...I guess not
[09:25] <_StefanS_> morning
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ?
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: pong ?
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;)
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I built and tested kdesudo, couple of issues....
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: wassup ?!
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: probably :D
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: first issue was that the fade appeared everytime, even if no passwd is asked
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I fixed that one easilly
[09:51] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 2 other issues I can't seem to fix
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: first is that the window isn't centrered on the screen
[09:51] <_StefanS_> I can fix that.. I already have that on my list
[09:51] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like hardcoded centered for 1280*1024 resol
[09:52] <_StefanS_> something like it
[09:52] <_StefanS_> number two?
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: second issue is that I when I put a passwd, and click on "OK" nothing happens, looks like hanging somehow
[09:53] <_StefanS_> but typing the password and hitting enter, works right?
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue when the sudo passwd is cached, so the global mecanism isn't broken, just an issue in the window validation something like that
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no doesn't work with enter too....
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fancy testing the package ?
[09:53] <_StefanS_> ok I will look into that.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kdelibs is patched
[09:53] <_StefanS_> yes
[09:53] <_StefanS_> I know ;)
[09:53] <Tonio_> oki gimme a second to upload
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I meant 'the patch is in the repos" :)
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes I have installed them already :)
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I run gutsy.
[09:54] <_StefanS_> on my lappie..
[09:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw.. how do you want me to fix the code ? Taking the current bzr, or your regular source package ?
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org/
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you'll find the package there
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: source package and bzr are the same :)
[09:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you can fix in bzr or fix in the package, then gimme a fix, no issue on that point
[09:57] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok I was just worried about source sync issues... as long as you handle that, its fine :)
[09:58] <Tonio_> yup :)
[09:58] <_StefanS_> installing it now.
[09:58] <Tonio_> great, thanks
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: if you can reproduce the hand, just switch to a VT and killall kdesudo, that works
[09:58] <_StefanS_> uhm libkbluetooth0 had some problems installing
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: remove the current package and reinstall
[09:58] <_StefanS_> ok
[09:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's an issue due to package transition
[09:58] <_StefanS_> ah, I see.
[09:59] <Tonio_> files changing from one package to another
[09:59] <_StefanS_> there seems to be a general issue with that icon-cache thingy.. almost all packages complain about it
[10:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yup, but I fixed that in bzr, no need to install the icons for kdesudo
[10:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: i hope that bug is going to be fixed in the future for the other packages....
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sure
[11:10] <Riddell> Tonio_, Hobbsee: you still have a package each on http://merges.ubuntu.com/universe-manual.html
[11:10] <Hobbsee> Riddell: awww, damn.  i was hoping to avoid that one indefinetly
[11:14] <Riddell> I wonder how the daily CDs are getting on
[11:14] <Hobbsee> reasonably well
[11:14] <Hobbsee> after infinity fixes the i386 builder.
[11:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: i think that kubuntu-wise, we're just waiting until the freeze, to do the testing
[11:15] <Riddell> i386 builder? the i386 CDs seem built
[11:16] <Hobbsee> the livefs' havent for a few days, due to using the old apt
[11:16] <Riddell> ah, right, thanks
[11:17] <Hobbsee> Riddell: for kguitar, i'm waiting until upstream releases a new version
[11:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I fixed that dialog centering.. could you test ? http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo_1.1-0ubuntu1_i386.deb
[11:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the diff is here: http://enhance-it.dk/kdesudo-fix-dialog.diff
[11:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing
[11:25] <_StefanS_> goody..
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I cant really duplicate that bug related to clicking Ok..
[11:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: works fine here.
[11:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hum......
[11:29] <Tonio_> when you type the password, and click OK, the app launches ?
[11:29] <_StefanS_> yups.
[11:29] <_StefanS_> works great. Just launched adept now with administrative privileges
[11:29] <Tonio_> hum.........
[11:29] <_StefanS_> indeed :)
[11:29] <Tonio_> should be an issue with X or something no ?
[11:30] <_StefanS_> did you ever reboot after installing the packages ?
[11:30] <_StefanS_> or logout..
[11:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[11:30] <_StefanS_> uhm.. we need someone else to test it then, just to make sure your installation is bad. :)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> what about hobbs?
[11:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it isn't btw :)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> or Riddell
[11:30] <_StefanS_> hehe
[11:30] <Riddell> moi?
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: s'il te plait :)
[11:30] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yep.. kdesudo test
[11:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: testing kdesudo test would be nice
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can you try with konqueror please ? kdesudo konqueror
[11:31] <_StefanS_> sure
[11:31] <Tonio_> looks like adept works for me too, only konqueror seems to fail
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw it worked nicelly without the fade
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: centring the window works
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm, konqueror launches fine also
[11:31] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: glad it worked :)
[11:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sh*t
[11:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: guess your installation is not that good as you want it to :D
[11:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, I will implement the configuration items later today
[11:33] <_StefanS_> (fade in speed/opacity/fadeback speed)
[11:34] <_StefanS_> I was thinking .. actually it would be nice just to have a fullscreen fade instead of the wipe ..
[11:34] <_StefanS_> I might look into that.
[11:35] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thats because of the window type (WType_Popup has no borders).. but maybe we can turn them on
[11:35] <Riddell> kdesudo: symbol lookup error: kdesudo: undefined symbol: _ZN15KPasswordDialogC2ENS_5TypesEbiRK7QStringjP7QWidgetPKc
[11:35] <Riddell> got sources?
[11:35] <Hobbsee> _StefanS_: like, not even the border that tells you the name fo the app
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: correct
[11:36] <Hobbsee> weird
[11:36] <Hobbsee> just looks a little weird :)
[11:36] <_StefanS_> Hobbsee: thats normal for this dialog type
[11:36] <Hobbsee> ah.  wonder why i havent seen it before
[11:36] <_StefanS_> look at the logout dialog :)
[11:37] <Hobbsee> point.
[11:42] <_StefanS_> gotta run now
[11:42] <_StefanS_> be back later...
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://ubuntu.tonio.homelinux.org
[11:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: you might find the sources there
[11:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: no issues running "kdesudo konqueror" ?
[11:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: just hangs here
[11:47] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I suspect something wrong with X or something
[11:48] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: how do i kill the kdesudo thingy, so it prompts me for a passworrrrd again?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so you confirm my issue ?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it will not launch konqueror and kind of hangs on the password ?
[12:01] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: you have to go to a VT, then killall kdesudo
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: when no passwd is asked, it works like a charm
[12:02] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: no, my problme is is that i've used kdesudo once, and it worked, so just automatically pops up the app when kdesudo is next called
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: Stefan doesn't seem to be able to reproduce, but that's the bug I have: )
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: pleased to see you have the same problem than me ;)
[12:02] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: now I can expect a fix hehe :)
[12:03] <Hobbsee> i'm not convinced that what i see isnt the intended behaviour
[12:04] <Hobbsee> i use kdesudo konqueror once, it works fine.  i use kdesudo konqueror again, it opens up konqueror, without the root password entry required, due to the kdesudo password caching.  this is intended behaviour, is it not?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is not
[12:04] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ^
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: so you don't have issues ?
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: damnit
[12:04] <Hobbsee> i dont seem to, nope
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdesudo just hangs here
[12:04] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I'm convinced that's somehow linked to xorg, I have to investigate
[12:04] <Hobbsee> it sits for about half a second with no action here, then the rquired app pops up
[12:05] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki ;)
[12:16] <Riddell> oh, kdesudo needs a patched kdelibs, that'll explain it
[12:16] <Hobbsee> Riddell: which...is in the latest upload of kdelibs, yes
[12:23] <Riddell> Tonio_: knetworkmanager doesn't let me connect to my wired network on today's live CD
[12:27] <Hobbsee> Riddell: sounds like https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/123914
[12:27] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123914 in knetworkmanager "KNetworkManager doesn't initially connect to wired network" [High,Confirmed] 
[12:30] <Riddell> could be
[12:30] <Riddell> katapult showing up on startup is the other bug
[12:30] <Riddell> otherwise today's AMD64 live CD is all good
[12:33] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/122898 is fixed now, isnt it?
[12:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122898 in knetworkmanager ""Configure VPN..." requires network-manager-gnome" [Undecided,New] 
[12:34] <Riddell> dunno, no configure vpn option here
[12:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: yes it is
[12:34] <Riddell> but I seem to remember Tonio_ working on it
[12:34] <Hobbsee> cool
[12:34] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: that's fixed with 0.2
[12:35] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I closed the relative bugs, seems I missed that one, sorry for this
[12:35] <Hobbsee> ah, cool
[12:35] <Hobbsee> seems like a lot of bugs that will probably need closing there
[01:06] <Riddell> uh oh
[01:06] <Riddell> `id` isn't working
[01:27] <pygi> Hobbsee, poke
[01:28] <pygi> ah, yes, ignore me :p
[01:48] <Hobbsee> why yes, leave the channel.
[01:48] <Hobbsee> it's not like i might be afk, and have been lax about my away status, as usual
[01:48] <Hobbsee> and dont /whois me at all, to check my idle time.
[01:50] <Riddell> I don't think he ment it like that
[01:50] <Hobbsee> oh, i realise that
[01:50] <Hobbsee> i'm just surprised that people dont check that
[01:52] <kwwii> you away status slacker
[01:53] <Hobbsee> yeah, well.
[01:53] <mhb> hi all, hi kwwii
[01:53] <kwwii> hi mhb
[01:55] <Hobbsee> kwwii: yay, new artwork.  is this the final stuff?
[01:55] <Riddell> nothing is final
[01:56] <Riddell> the kubuntu logo on kdm at least needs changes
[01:56] <Hobbsee> right
[01:56] <Riddell> but that doesn't necessarily need kwwii
[01:56] <mhb> kwwii: although I'm not that sure that a two line menu is a usability problem (it seemed pretty well-known to me and other sites use it too, found redhat.com in my 1-minute search - but I'm no usability guy) ... did you try to solve the website menus in a different way?
[02:01] <kwwii> mhb: I think it ruins the design actually
[02:01] <kwwii> and looks horrible
[02:01] <mhb> kwwii: oh, does it? You didn't say so in the first mail.
[02:01] <kwwii> I spent some time last night looking at it
[02:02] <kwwii> the biggest problem is the usability
[02:02] <kwwii> whether one person thinks it look pretty is probably not as important
[02:02] <kwwii> what is the problem with using a side navigation?
[02:02] <mhb> kwwii: let's scrap the idea, then.
[02:03] <mhb> kwwii: actually, the problem I was trying to solve is that using both a menu and a sidebar is confusing (usability-wise) to me
[02:05] <kwwii> well, as the site is currently, only the main page has extra links anyway
[02:05] <kwwii> and those are on the right
[02:05] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: ok, will do
[02:05] <kwwii> I admit it would make more sense if the links were on the left
[02:05] <ryanakca> Riddell: sorry for not fixing kde4sdk, I'm having a hard time installing gutsy on LVM
[02:06] <mhb> kwwii: yes, but the current site is pretty chaotic, too - when it comes to menus
[02:06] <kwwii> mhb: agreed
[02:06] <kwwii> mhb: perhaps if we added some text to the ones on the right  (and therefor didn't have so many)
[02:06] <kwwii> they would be more like sub-articles than just links
[02:07] <kwwii> kinda like ubuntu.com does on the left side below the banner
[02:09] <kwwii> Hobbsee: btw, the artwork is not final yet
[02:09] <Hobbsee> kwwii: cool
[02:11] <mhb> kwwii: still, how do you intend to solve the two menus problem? By removing the horizontal menu?
[02:11] <Riddell> ryanakca: it has now built everywhere
[02:11] <jjesse> morning
[02:12] <kwwii> mhb: that might be the easiest/best way
[02:12] <kwwii> mhb: I guess that the first thing we really need is to decide exactly which links we need and how they are related
[02:13] <seele> screenshot?
[02:13] <mhb> I gave some examples in the comments there, although you probably read them by now
[02:15] <kwwii> mhb: it seems to me that if we had the "main" links in the right side with a bit of text for each one, and then had the "page" links in the horizontal stripe it would work well (especially because there are so few pages with "page" links)
[02:15] <kwwii> I think that 90% of people come to the page and do not click around too much
[02:17] <ryanakca> Riddell: oh, so it got fixed? (I got 4-5 emails saying build failed)
[02:18] <mhb> kwwii: I'm not really sure about the text, though. The links should be pretty clear by themselves.
[02:19] <mhb> kwwii: There is no need to describe what a "download" is, is there? :o) (Funny and stupid example, I know)
[02:20] <kwwii> mhb: well, the site is more informational than anything, so the point is to draw new people and provide them with the info they need...
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell, Hobbsee: can you tell me if you have issues in the shell output of "sudo konqueror" ?
[02:20] <Tonio_> Riddell: here is what I get :
[02:20] <kwwii> I think there is a big difference between how ubuntu and kubuntu have done their webpages
[02:20] <kwwii> and I have to say that I think ubuntu is doing a better job
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:20] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:20] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/361
[02:20] <kwwii> it seems to me like the kubuntu page is an info page for geeks atm
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:21] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: ^
[02:21] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: oki
[02:21] <Tonio_> I wanted to understand what causes kdesudo to hang,
[02:21] <mhb> kwwii: it is, but I think it is for the lack of editors more than anything
[02:21] <Tonio_> let's make a point toonight ;)
[02:21] <kwwii> seems like that sarah chick did something wrong :p
[02:22] <kwwii> mhb: I do not think that we need to change the content that much on the main page
[02:22] <Hobbsee> kwwii: haha
[02:23] <mhb> kwwii: do we both see the same page that lists only package news, and has only a few lines about Kubuntu ?
[02:24] <kwwii> mhb: not sure I understand what you mean...are you talking about the ubuntu.ocm site?
[02:24] <kwwii> erm, com
[02:24] <mhb> kwwii: you said "we do not need to change the content that much on the main page" ... by that I understood kubuntu.org
[02:25] <kwwii> yeah, I meant that we would have to radically change things :-)
[02:26] <mhb> kwwii: okay
[02:27] <kwwii> mhb: we could keep the news parts as they are now, just put them a bit further down....above them would be the marketing slogan kinda thing
[02:27] <kwwii> the one paragraph we have now is interesting but does not lead one to click around much
[02:27] <mhb> kwwii: why would we want to keep this kind of news on the main page?
[02:28] <mhb> kwwii: I know it boils down to target audience ... and I thought we're trying to give information to newcomers
[02:28] <kwwii> mhb: I think we will find several people who want to know when the tribes come out, etc...we could also just limit it to the newest articles or such
[02:28] <mhb> kwwii: and information about Amarok 1.x.x being released is the last thing on their mind, I'd say
[02:28] <rbrunhuber> Where can i find any docs about using kde4 rc1?
[02:29] <kwwii> mhb: we could also get rid of the links on the right (as well as everything below the download bar) and then make the main links article-like text with links to the main pages
[02:30] <kwwii> one of those would be "news", so we could still show the latest article
[02:30] <kwwii> mhb: that would basically make everything that is in a tab now go down into the main page as an article with links
[02:31] <kwwii> mhb: and only the news would be updated often
[02:31] <kwwii> still showing only the latest news though
[02:31] <mhb> kwwii: I have to admit I lost you at "make the main links article like" ... I can't imagine it
[02:32] <mhb> I'm sorry
[02:33] <mhb> kwwii: still, I'd say putting (frequently updated) news on the main page doesn't seem to be a good idea to me
[02:33] <mhb> kwwii: take ubuntu.com ... how often do you check the main page for news?
[02:34] <Riddell> where else would it go?
[02:34] <Hobbsee> on a news page?
[02:34] <mhb> yes, I'd guess so
[02:34] <mhb> a news page for a different audience than the main page
[02:34] <rbrunhuber> Hobbsee: This is too obvious to see for men :-)
[02:36] <rbrunhuber> Riddell:  What I miss badly is instructions on how to use kde 4 3.90.1. They were on the news on kubuntu.org
[02:36] <rbrunhuber> Riddell:  This time the packages just slipped silently in the repo.
[02:37] <Hobbsee> rbrunhuber: so replace the men with more women.  easy solution.  :P
[02:37] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: it's because they're not finished yet and they're not available for feisty
[02:38] <Riddell> which I hope to fix soon
[02:38] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I'm using Gutsy.
[02:39] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: poke
[02:39] <Tonio_> Hobbsee:  ?
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: were you going to fix
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/kde-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/tmp/ksocket-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: I uploaded dolphin fixing up some stuff, and I'll try and make it default for folders now
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Error: "/var/tmp/kdecache-sarah" is owned by uid 1000 instead of uid 0.
[02:40] <mhb> Hobbsee: please, not again
[02:40] <Hobbsee> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573
[02:40] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] 
[02:40] <Hobbsee> Riddell: neat :)
[02:41] <Hobbsee> i should run klipper - it probably wouldnt die
[02:41] <mhb> kwwii: we also have a different starting point with ubuntu.com in that we don't have any server version
[02:41] <kwwii> mhb: I agree with you on the news, just wondering who will complain :-)
[02:42] <Riddell> most of the news on kubuntu.org are just updated package and pages
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki :)
[02:42] <mhb> kwwii: the main u.c page, although a better place in general, still seems to contain too much text and no screenshots (for me) ... probably because of the desktop/server versions
[02:42] <Riddell> the package announcements can probably be merged into one page
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: how to perform the default choice ? kcm extension to choose the default file manager ?
[02:42] <kwwii> mhb: what I like about the ubuntu.com site is that everything you will probably click on has some explanation and/or is part of some text
[02:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: make it the default is simply define the inode/directory association
[02:43] <kwwii> mhb: right, they have to do it that way, we don't
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I can't understand why I'm the only one having this bug with kdesudo
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: works nicelly without the fade effect
[02:43] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I syspect there is a bug, but hard to reproduce
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: quite possibly.
[02:44] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: and i meant "were you goign to fix https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/35573 ", not the evil, long paste
[02:44] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 35573 in kdebase "No localizations available" [Medium,Incomplete] 
[02:44] <kwwii> mhb: taking a small lunch break, be back in a bit
[02:44] <mhb> Riddell: with a separate news page, someone could try and add more kubuntu/kde kontent
[02:45] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: it is fixed
[02:46] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: kdm is now localised
[02:46] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: great :)
[02:46] <mhb> Riddell: after all, you seem to post happily about various news on the d.k.o :o)
[02:46] <mhb> I'm not sure if it is the right way to do, as I'm not sure what is the target audience of the news and what do we want to tell them
[02:48] <mhb> kwwii: another thing I kind of dislike on the ubuntu.com page is that it lacks the "marketing juice" too much
[02:51] <mhb> kwwii: http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/ -- it's the opposite (too much juice), but it's a good example of "marketing juicified" page
[03:13] <jjesse> i love the updated artwork
[03:28] <DaSkreech> Gutsy?
[03:35] <Hobbsee> yes
[03:42] <kwwii> mhb: true
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Whee. Fedora is shipping with KDE4
[03:46] <DaSkreech> as the only K desktop
[03:46] <DaSkreech> Should be fun
[03:47] <Riddell> DaSkreech: now?
[03:47] <DaSkreech> For the next release
[03:47] <rdieter> DaSkreech: hopefully, if the stars-align. :)
[03:47] <DaSkreech> Kstars?
[03:48] <rdieter> hee
[03:49] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: yes, but when is that?
[03:49] <DaSkreech> Two weeks after KDE 4.0 ships I think
[03:49] <Hobbsee> ah
[03:50] <Hobbsee> hurry up...
[03:52] <jjesse> i bet dapper
[03:53] <ScottK> We'll see.  Sorry.  Meant that to be on #ubuntu-motu.
[04:03] <Hobbsee> holy cow....
[04:05] <DaSkreech> Blessed Beef?
[04:05] <Hobbsee> well, i either need to give up uni, or give up ubuntu, it looks like.
[04:05] <ScottK> Sounds better than sacred salad.
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Divine Donuts?
[04:06] <DaSkreech> Hobbsee: How come?
[04:06] <Hobbsee> DaSkreech: just got my uni results
[04:06] <DaSkreech> oh
[04:06] <DaSkreech> that sucks
[04:13] <kwwii> education is over-rated
[04:14] <Hobbsee> kwwii: that's true.
[04:14] <DaSkreech> kwwii: Like R or like NC-17 ?
[04:14] <Hobbsee> kwwii: as in, i knew the fact that i wasnt enjoying it would show up in my marks
[04:14] <Hobbsee> but uh...this...this is just....
[04:14] <kwwii> lol
[04:14] <kwwii> that sucks
[04:15] <Hobbsee> kwwii: i mean, this is impressively bad, to the point where i dont think it's my exam they marked :P
[04:15] <kwwii> well, it does show that if you do something you do it all the way :-)
[04:16] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Maybe it's time to reconsider the major if you aren't enjoying it? </unsolicited advice>
[04:16] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i failed the maths component the worst, which is a prerequisite for the physics
[04:16] <ScottK> Ouch.
[04:18] <DaSkreech> apt-get build-dep physics
[04:18] <Hobbsee> haha
[04:18] <Hobbsee> i'm not really surprised - only that i managed to fail it that badly
[04:31] <DaSkreech> http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/unsupported-rapid-oxidation
[04:43] <manchicken> Gutsy is panicking on me when I try to suspend.
[04:43] <manchicken> I don't know if it is being caused by driverloader or lirc though.
[04:44] <manchicken> Those are the only two changes to the kernel I'
[04:44] <manchicken> ve had recently.
[04:45] <kwwii> manchicken: perhaps you need to talk nicely to it so it doesn't get scared
[04:47] <manchicken> kwwii: Well, you could have a point.  I am rather intimidating, aren't I? heh
[04:47] <kwwii> :-)
[04:48] <kwwii> that poor machine
[04:48] <manchicken> It's an HP.  It bloody well deserves it.
[04:48] <manchicken> It puts the lotion on its skin, or else it gets the hose again..
[04:50] <manchicken> I'm guessing that spammers don't know that there's no such thing as the "United States National Medical Association."
[04:50] <manchicken> heh
[04:51] <manchicken> But I doubt that such an organization would urge me to buy any medications online... ever.
[04:56] <manchicken> We need a way to disable all accessibility...
[04:56] <manchicken> This crappy keyboard keeps triggering the number pad mouse accessibility functionality.
[04:58] <manchicken> Ooh, or I could just remove the keybinding :)
[05:00] <manchicken> Is there any interface to disable mouse emulation?
[05:00] <manchicken> The hotkey isn't working...
[05:03] <kwwii> SystemSettings?
[05:08] <manchicken> Naw, there's no GUI toggle for it there.
[05:08] <manchicken> Only the hotkey setting.
[05:09] <manchicken> I think there's a weird bug in the accessibility thing that my screwed up keyboard wondered into.
[05:17] <Riddell> http://www.ideastorm.com/article/show/71746/Offer_Kubuntu_as_Ubuntu_Alternative_for_Open_Sourced_PCs  now there's an idea :)
[05:17] <ScottK> Hobbsee: When I updated pinentry to remove pinentry-gtk, should I have added entries that said pinentry-gtk2 replaces/provides pinentry-gtk?
[05:17] <DaSkreech> Ha ha :)
[05:17] <DaSkreech> What would that require on Dell's part
[05:18] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, that would have been good
[05:18] <Riddell> shipping a third OS option (not cheap)
[05:18] <ScottK> Hobbsee: OK.  I didn't think of it until after.  If I do a debdiff, will you upload it?
[05:19] <Hobbsee> sure
[05:19] <ScottK> OK.  I'll let you know when I have it done.
[05:23] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Why not?
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you've probably got until...working european day tomorrow, as i cant freeze the archive
[05:24] <Hobbsee> so i'll have time to upload
[05:24] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you could just milestone the bug, then i'll definetly see it.  *g*
[05:24] <ScottK> Is it worth that?
[05:24] <ScottK> Up to you?
[05:25] <ScottK> I should have it done very shortly.  Doing it now.
[05:25] <Riddell> DaSkreech: why not what?
[05:25] <DaSkreech> Why would a third option suddenly be expensive?
[05:26] <Riddell> DaSkreech: for the same reasons a second option is expensive
[05:26] <Riddell> balancing supply lines is a difficult thing to do, and made more difficult with each new choice
[05:26] <DaSkreech> I can understand that a second option is expensive but after that shouldn't the cost drop pretty quick
[05:27] <DaSkreech> esp if the hardware requirements for the third are the same as the second
[05:27] <Riddell> yes the QA would be for the next one less, but it would still be more in total
[05:28] <Riddell> the numbers involved would be rediculously small though
[05:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: well, do, because i probably wont look at my exploding bugmail
[05:29] <ScottK> OK.
[05:29] <ScottK> Test building it right now.
[05:29] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:29] <Hobbsee> please assign it to me, then no one else should touch it
[05:30] <ScottK> WIll do.
[05:32] <DaSkreech> Riddell: Numbers to ship or the numbers increase in total?
[05:33] <Riddell> DaSkreech: both
[05:39] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Bug #126361 is ready for you to have a look at.
[05:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126361 in pinentry "pinentry-gtk removed, but pinentry-gtk2 does not "replace" it" [Medium,In progress]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126361
[05:40] <Hobbsee> cool
[05:50] <ScottK> Hobbsee: http://www.phdcomics.com/comics/archive.php?comicid=886
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ScottK: haha
[05:52] <ScottK> I thought you would like that one.
[05:52] <Hobbsee> yep :)
[05:53] <ScottK> Dig you want me to go ahead an milestone the pinentry bug or are you looking at it now?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> no, go ahead
[05:57] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Looks like all I can do is "Nominate for a relase", i.e. Gutsy.  My launchpad-foo isn't up to milestones I guess.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ScottK: milestones are near importance, and status
[05:58] <ScottK> Ah.  Duh.  Thanks.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> no problem
[05:59] <ScottK> OK.  Done.
[07:22] <jjesse> anyone else having problems with manage repos in adept in gutsy?
[07:26] <Riddell> jjesse: what's up with it
[07:26] <Riddell> ?
[07:30] <jjesse> i clicked on manage repos and nothing showed up
[07:31] <jjesse> hmm just came up
[07:31] <jjesse> that's wierd took a long long time
[07:33] <nixternal> get a faster computer? adept doesn't work on commodore 64 ;p
[07:33] <jjesse> !nixternal
[07:33] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[07:33] <jjesse> take that
[07:34] <nixternal> you guys are forcing me to go and buy Vista...I don't like statements that make me a liar ;p
[07:34] <jjesse> :)
[07:34] <nixternal> I have a Vista lover leaving comments on my blog though
[07:34] <jjesse> really?
[07:34] <jjesse> was it me?
[07:34] <nixternal> ya..erik...he says that Vista is easier to use and better than XP
[07:34] <DaSkreech> nixternal: Soooo you are giving out free money? :)
[07:35] <nixternal> from what I have seen, Vista isn't easier...at least it wasn't for me
[07:35] <jjesse> i think vista is a little bit harder
[07:35] <nixternal> XP, I set it to classic and it looks and acts like Windows 98 and 2000 for me, about the last time I really used Windows :)
[07:35] <jjesse> hmm quick question: in adept gutsy is the CDROM enabled by default as a repository?
[07:35] <nixternal> it used to be..
[07:38] <jjesse> i know, i'm trying to find it
[07:38] <jjesse> to see if we still need that section
[08:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: How do I fix the missing files (the kbabel stuff) in kde4sdk? http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8481707/buildlog_ubuntu-gutsy-amd64.kde4sdk_3.91.0-0ubuntu1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[08:22] <_StefanS_> evening
[08:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: it's fixed in ubuntu2
[08:25] <ryanakca> Riddell: oh, ok :)
[08:30] <DaSkreech> Ubuntu has a sequel?
[08:31] <ryanakca> hehe :)
[08:32] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: Interesting
[08:33] <manchicken_> DaSkreech: ?
[08:35] <DaSkreech> gobuntu will become the base for gnewsense
[08:35] <DaSkreech> Interesting thought
[08:37] <DaSkreech> Course it severely limits what hardware they can test on :)
[08:37] <DaSkreech> manchicken_: Busy I take it?
[08:42] <DaSkreech> http://www.kdedevelopers.org/node/2881
[08:55] <manchicken_> DaSkreech: Oh yeah.
[08:55] <manchicken_> DaSkreech: I'm trying to get something released here soon :)
[08:55] <DaSkreech> Heehee
[08:55] <DaSkreech> ok
[08:57] <manchicken_> I suspect that a lot of projects are going to relicense to "gplv2 or later" from straight gplv2 so that this issue can be avoided.
[09:01] <DaSkreech> You would hope
[09:02] <manchicken_> I don't think that anybody who holds a GPLv2 who is sticking with v2 would really want to prevent anybody in GPLv3 from linking to their program.
[09:04] <manchicken_> I understand some folks really dislike GPLv3, but I haven't seen or heard of any asshats who were so vindictive that they would prevent the use of their programs in such a way.
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ?
[09:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: poooooooong
[09:38] <_StefanS_> :D
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[09:38] <_StefanS_> so wassup ?
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I investigated a bit concerning my issue, that's due to the fade
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: as long as I disable the fade, everything's right
[09:38] <Tonio_> strange isn't it ?
[09:38] <_StefanS_> hmm
[09:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect an issue with fglrx
[09:39] <_StefanS_> maybe its something of the math..
[09:39] <_StefanS_> nawp, I run fglrx as well
[09:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: which version ?
[09:39] <_StefanS_> uhm.. 7.1.0-8.37.6+2.6.22.2-8.3
[09:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: my kubuntu is very "by default" you know :)
[09:39] <_StefanS_> worked with the one in feisty as well
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: does the fade stall the machine?
[09:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm running 8.38.6-1+2.6.22-7.14
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ehm like the UI i mean
[09:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue, I can type in the passwd field, but it hangs when I push ok or enter
[09:40] <Tonio_> then I have to go to a vt, killall kdesudo and the command launches
[09:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: forever?
[09:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[09:40] <_StefanS_> hmm ok
[09:41] <Tonio_> well at least a few seconds
[09:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that leads me to think that the slotOk is reached
[09:41] <Tonio_> it may hang there
[09:41] <Tonio_> otherwise the command wouldn't lauch
[09:41] <Tonio_> right ?
[09:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep
[09:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so it works but the display is not updated?
[09:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I tried to put the fade stop at the very begining of the slotok, didn't help
[09:42] <_StefanS_> hm
[09:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like that indeed
[09:42] <Tonio_> expecially since when I switch to a vt, and back to vt7, I have a black screen
[09:42] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like no refresh, indeed
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: can you try to compile it with "if (KConfigGroup(KGlobal::config(), "Fade").readBoolEntry("doFancyFade", false))" on kdesudo.cpp line 214?
[09:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so that it uses the classic fade
[09:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there are lots of issues with the latest fglrx, that's why I suspect it
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: without the gray thing right ?
[09:44] <_StefanS_> fglx sucks hard.. I just asked in #xorg if that current radeon driver support my firegl :)
[09:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep
[09:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue
[09:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so that works?
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I tested with bool doKDESudoFade = false;
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no issue
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's really caused by the gray thing
[09:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: could that be do to a kind of infinite loop or something ?
[09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep.. lets try to go on to rip out some code then
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strange it would just hang on my machine btw....
[09:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe..
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fglrx have a lot of problems atm but that's for a good reason
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: amd put some money on the driver devel and they are coding very very hard on it
[09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so they are adding features now ?? haha
[09:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that causes lots of troubles, but I suspect that in a short future.....
[09:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: they do
[09:47] <Tonio_> but I suspect they have to clean the code hardly
[09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: If I could I would rip out this damn ati card and replace it for nvidia
[09:47] <Tonio_> especially since they may release the sources :)
[09:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: you really think so ?
[09:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 2 month after I bought my macbook pro, apple switched to nvidia....
[09:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I wanted to kill myself when I saw that
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: tuff luck hehe
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: cant you exchange it?
[09:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: dream on :)
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dell lappies can do that..
[09:48] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but apple crap tends to be very problematic
[09:48] <_StefanS_> I owned two mac mini's, so I know about apple..
[09:49] <Tonio_> problamatic ?
[09:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well macbook pros are not famous for having lots of problems
[09:49] <Tonio_> not more that any other brand I mean
[09:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not besides the paint job and them running very hot, and ofcourse the infamous EFI bios..
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anyways, lets look at that code.
[09:50] <Tonio_> hum efi doesn't cause any trouble here
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: okay :)
[09:50] <Tonio_> and concerning myself, I'm switching back to your version of aiglx
[09:50] <Tonio_> we'll see if that's the issue
[09:51] <ryanakca> ummm... is not having an icon theme in a default install a known bug?
[09:51] <Tonio_> ryanakca: nope
[09:51] <Tonio_> not afaik at least :)
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: are you gonna switch fglrx first?
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: and did you compile that one yourself?
[09:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: err.. made the deb ;)
[09:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep since I'm conviced that's the cause of the issue
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, lets see what happens.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nope I'll use yours, to be sure we have exactly the same config
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: btw once everything's done, I'll turn your code into a patch
[09:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sounds good.
[09:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: since it requires kdelibs patch to build we cannot release the tarball that way
[09:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, the kdelibs patch was something I would like to avoid, but then it wouldn't be possible to do it at all
[09:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you're using the standard version of fglrx in fact, the one from the repos ?
[09:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't knew it has been merged :)
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I am
[09:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: latest gutsy stuff
[09:56] <Tonio_> oki
[09:57] <ryanakca> Tonio_: could you file the bug for me please? lynx doesn't seem to like launchpad :(
[09:57] <Tonio_> ryanakca: are you fully up to date ?
[09:57] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I can see the config, you should have a cursor
[09:57] <Tonio_> ryanakca: btw looks fine here
[09:58] <Tonio_> ryanakca: wouldn't it be nice to check if that's reproducible
[09:58] <Tonio_> ?
[09:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: yep, updated, and I tried setting it the new DZM (or ZDM, forget the order) icon theme with the settings manager (moving the mouse and clicking randomly untill I got the right button). In the list, I didn't see any kubuntu named themes :(
[09:59] <ryanakca> alternate installer, btw
[09:59] <ryanakca> Tonio_: ok
[09:59] <Tonio_> ryanakca: do you have kubuntu-default-settings installed ?
[09:59] <_StefanS_> quality is very good actually already for tribe 2  ..
[09:59] <Tonio_> ryanakca: the update when without any change here
[10:00] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: where did you get that latest version of  fglrx?
[10:00] <ryanakca> yep, I have kubuntu-default-settings, at least according to dpkg...
[10:01] <ryanakca> hmm
[10:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: first result while back to previous fglrx version : xv and opengl are working again....
[10:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: got it from ati.com of course
[10:05] <Tonio_> let's try kdesudo
[10:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: still hanging btw
[10:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: still hanging btw
[10:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how long time are you waiting before you determine it has frozen?
[10:06] <Tonio_> so that's not fglrx
[10:06] <Tonio_> :'(
[10:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: so let's try to confirm your issue
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: macbook... uhmmm
[10:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: :D
[10:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the driver is in svn madwifi
[10:08] <Tonio_> I'm just waiting for a merge in the kernel =)
[10:08] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm waiting for some SATA code to get into the kernel also... so that makes two of us waiting for kernel updates :)
[10:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hehe :)
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: anyways..
[10:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I could build madwifi from svn, but I prefer to stay with the default to see what the problems are
[10:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes.. I had it with maintaining my kernels aswell
[10:09] <_StefanS_> my own kernels.
[10:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm also waiting for a patch to improve the speakers support
[10:10] <Tonio_> it's a bit buggy atm
[10:10] <Tonio_> for example, center is left
[10:10] <Tonio_> left is pcm
[10:10] <Tonio_> right is center etc.......
[10:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: when the screen freeze, does it flicker or in some way indicate that is has taken a copy of the whole screen ?
[10:10] <Tonio_> and pluging headphones doesn't mute pcm anymore
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: apple vendor lock in ... nice
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no indication afaics
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats why I ditched the mac mini's as well; just started to irritate me that little things didn't work.
[10:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ho just fyi, the "OK" buttons stays as if clicked
[10:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok good !
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could you try to put in a kmessagebox in the top of the slotOK code?
[10:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: see if it freezes before that.
[10:12] <Tonio_> yup
[10:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: building
[10:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what cpu do you have in that pacmacbook ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> core2duo
[10:15] <Tonio_> hum Riddell seems far away..... let's go
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: KMessageBox::error(this, i18n("Fuck the fuckin' fuckers!"));
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is the syntax correct ?
[10:15] <Tonio_> ;)
[10:15] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hehe, yes. You forgot to write something about fglrx..
[10:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well it is not the cause of the issue
[10:16] <_StefanS_> together with those f*ck words.
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can be the CPU indeed
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: is it a powerpc?
[10:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: intel
[10:16] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok, so the messagebox doesn't show?
[10:16] <Tonio_> building ;)
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm doing a package everytime
[10:17] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I know, that's stupid :)
[10:17] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes just do a debuild -nc and run it from obj-*/kdesudo/kdesudo -u root ls or something
[10:18] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ./configure && make can do the job too =)
[10:19] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: installing the package
[10:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it worked :)
[10:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super strange
[10:20] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the box shown, then was deleted and then konqueror launched
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like there is a delay issue
[10:21] <_StefanS_> err funny..
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maybe my machine is just to fast or something.... no ?
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: is there a "sleep" function in cpp ?
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hardly think thats the problem :)
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: bah, maybe but the box workarrounded the problem
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: dont think so, the best is a dialog of some sort (apart from kdebug)
[10:21] <Tonio_> as stupid as it sounds
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the messagebox?
[10:22] <Tonio_> yup
[10:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the kmessagebox opened, closed and konqueror launched -> no freeze
[10:22] <Tonio_> without the box -> freeze
[10:22] <_StefanS_> wow thats wierd.
[10:22] <_StefanS_> wierd science :D
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: trying to build without the messagebox.....
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: maybe its that hide thingy that causes it
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: means that the "hide" then hides the kmessagebox ?
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep
[10:24] <Tonio_> interesting, trying to remove that one
[10:24] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good idea
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: mayke a pray with me !!!!!
[10:26] <_StefanS_> hehe
[10:28] <_StefanS_> ScottK: probably not, else he couldn't do anything other than that
[10:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure he does :)
[10:29] <Tonio_> ScottK: especially since I mensionned his nick just before
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: done scratching your balls yet?
[10:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doesn't hide ;)
[10:30] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the "OK" button doesn't work anymore
[10:31] <ryanakca> Tonio_: hmmm... fixed, either by: 1) installing ubuntu-desktop, or 2) reinstalling k-d-s and rebooting
[10:31] <Tonio_> ryanakca: strange, something got wrong during the install
[10:31] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: any idea ?
[10:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thinking.
[10:32] <Tonio_> that's weird, really
[10:32] <ryanakca> ewww. installing ubuntu-desktop makes kdm want to take gnome by default... :)
[10:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: could you try arranging the code like in SlotCancel ? hide, stop, kapp->quit
[10:33] <ryanakca> Tonio_: oh crud. It's back. I log out of gnome, and lo and behold, no cursor
[10:33] <Tonio_> ryanakca: weird....
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'm trying to put the hide at the very begining of the slotOk
[10:34] <Tonio_> and then try what you suggest
[10:34] <_StefanS_> ok
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well it's what it does :)
[10:34] <Tonio_> hide at the very begining
[10:34] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like the "this" differs between our 2 machines
[10:35] <_StefanS_> yep..
[10:35] <_StefanS_> actually I think it should just be hide(); without the this->
[10:35] <_StefanS_> I will try to build something here
[10:35] <Tonio_> shoudl it ?
[10:36] <_StefanS_> I'm going to test if it makes any difference here
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: btw, I didn't see that bug with the cached password because I set sudo to timeout everytime
[10:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is no bug with the cached password afaics
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: no, you fixed that one yourself :) - I just didn't see it because of my local sudo settings
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: just for info :)
[10:38] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ah oki ;)
[10:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: removing this-> doesn't make a difference here, please try it on your installation
[10:39] <Tonio_> oki
[10:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: tried with the this->hide at the begining, doesn't work
[10:39] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: slotOk should definitely not have a kapp->quit().
[10:39] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: second attempt
[10:39] <_StefanS_> so dont add that.
[10:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't of course
[10:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: should I put the feedback stop just after the hide or not ?
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: its just aestethics..
[10:41] <Tonio_> oki
[10:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not really important for this bug we're trying to solve (IMHO)
[10:41] <Tonio_> ryanakca: doesn't gnome crashes your settings somehow ?
[10:42] <ryanakca> hmmmm... dunno. I can't see why using gnome should mess up kde, .kde and .gnome2 (or whatever they use) shouldn't come in contact... I don't think
[10:43] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: to understand this correctly; the fade works fine up until you click ok or press enter, right?
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yep
[10:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok
[10:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doesn't work, with hide()
[10:44] <Tonio_> nothing changes
[10:45] <Tonio_> without hide, the button doesn't work....
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I suspect the Cancel action to also bug here
[10:47] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but the kapp-quit() workarrounds the issue
[10:49] <_StefanS_> hmm it gets me kinda puzzled
[10:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I really suspect an issue with my cpu
[10:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: trying to add the kapp->quit() after the command is launched
[10:51] <ryanakca> Tonio_: I've got my problem temporarily solved with 'oneko'... it's a cat that follows the mouse... so I have an idea of where the mouse is
[10:51] <_StefanS_> I find it really wierd that the Kdialog behaves like that... ok button not working and stuff
[10:51] <ryanakca> give or take
[10:51] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: haha :D
[10:51] <Tonio_> ryanakca: LOL
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah that doesn't make sense.....
[10:52] <ryanakca> :D
[10:52] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: especially since I don't have any issue without the fade
[10:52] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yes, but the logout works fine, right?
[10:53] <Tonio_> ryanakca: not a problem with the theme ? you can''t see the cursor at all ?
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no isse, right
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there must be a difference somewhere
[10:53] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: not really, its all copy-paste :D
[10:53] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not in the code, but in the way it is used
[10:54] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: interesting
[10:54] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog instead of WType_Popup
[10:55] <_StefanS_> line 45
[10:55] <Tonio_> http://paste.tonio.homelinux.org/362
[10:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there no hang
[10:55] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: kapp->is by the end
[10:55] <ryanakca> Tonio_: nope, not at all
[10:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, then it must be the remaining code run after that
[10:55] <Tonio_> that's weird, since it means all the code is executed
[10:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't the hang somewhere else ? ;)
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I think so
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: must be in the remaining code
[10:56] <Tonio_> yup
[10:56] <_StefanS_> Kprocess things
[10:56] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but once again, only appears with the fade
[10:56] <_StefanS_> yes true..
[10:56] <_StefanS_> but how would that interfere with the shell stuff... wierd
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: one thing I saw
[10:57] <_StefanS_> try to make the dialog a WType_Dialog as I wrote, and test it
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the kapp->quit is executed before the fade does
[10:57] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: means that the code is executed during the fadeout right ?
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing
[10:58] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: actually the kapp-quit() should just exit
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: it does
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but not after the fade out
[10:58] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: during the fadeout
[10:59] <Tonio_> is that normal ?
[10:59] <_StefanS_> ah, well thats because of the timer
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can't taht be my issue ?
[10:59] <_StefanS_> well maybe..
[10:59] <Tonio_> maybe the code hangs somehow if the fadeout is running
[10:59] <_StefanS_> try changing that timer on line 360 to : QTimer::singleShot( 5, this, SLOT( slotPaintEffect() ) );
[10:59] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't there a way to execute the code step by step, as if it were a script ?
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki
[11:00] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: testing the popup things before
[11:00] <_StefanS_> well I havent used that, unfortunately.. so
[11:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: we'll know in 2 minutes
[11:02] <_StefanS_> damn this 80's channel is just cool :)
[11:02] <_StefanS_> di.fm.. the best stuff there is
[11:04] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: works with a dialog
[11:04] <Tonio_> except I have a toolbar on the top of course
[11:04] <_StefanS_> WType_Dialog?
[11:04] <Tonio_> yup
[11:04] <_StefanS_> hmm
[11:04] <Tonio_> no hang this time
[11:04] <Tonio_> trying the second potential fix
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: 	: QWidget( 0L, "feedbackwidget", WType_Popup ),
[11:05] <Tonio_> that line right ?
[11:05] <Tonio_> this is ere I changed it
[11:06] <ryanakca> Tonio_: http://blog.ryanak.ca/nomouse.png :D
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok good
[11:06] <_StefanS_> what an ugly cat :)
[11:06] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I suspect that's a very local problem
[11:06] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: good ? :)
[11:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: strange that a dialog works better than a popup no ?
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well yes.. I know its not good.
[11:07] <Tonio_> hehe
[11:07] <ryanakca> Tonio_: hmm
[11:07] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what is the timeout for the logout ?
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the thing is that WType_Poup is just basic Qt3, and I cant why it wouldn't work
[11:07] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: lemme check
[11:08] <ryanakca> Tonio_: is it possible to remove all X related packages?
[11:08] <Tonio_> ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove --purge x*
[11:08] <Tonio_> ryanakca: but you don't want to do that for sure :)
[11:09] <_StefanS_> ryanakca: maybe just apt-get install <package> --reinstall ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't there a kpopp thing ?
[11:09] <Tonio_> kpopup ?
[11:09] <ryanakca> Tonio_: well, at least remove everything related to kubuntu-desktop... didn't raphink make a script for that one upon a time?
[11:09] <Tonio_> ryanakca: sudo apt-get remove kubuntu-desktop && sudo apt-get autoremove
[11:10] <ryanakca> ah, thanks :)
[11:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: doesn't work with the timeout set to 5
[11:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looks like hanging before that
[11:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the timers in ksmserver is (search in kdesudo.cpp after QTimer), 10, 5, 1
[11:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: changed to 5 but it doesn't work....
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope haven't seen anything about kpopup
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm ok.
[11:12] <Tonio_> weird.............. super weird
[11:12] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: better sleep on it, I have to code some other stuff
[11:13] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can understand, but we'll have to investigate another day I guess....
[11:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: sure, I just getting way too tired.. my kid wakes up usually 6.00 in the morning, and its 23:14 here now. Gotta sleep
[11:14] <Tonio_> hehe ;)
[11:14] <Tonio_> sleep well ;)
[11:14] <_StefanS_> u2
[11:14] <_StefanS_> nighty
[11:14] <Tonio_> :)
[11:18] <Tonio_> ryanakca: can you beleive I just found the solution to the bug ?
[11:18] <Tonio_> poor _StefanS_
[11:18] <Tonio_> he will think about it aaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllll the night :)
[11:18] <ryanakca> Tonio_: hahaha :D
[11:20] <ryanakca> hmm.. nope. I guess I'll just have to do a new install.
[11:21] <ryanakca> wait... I already have my LVM set up. Can I install using the liveCD onto the LVM?
[11:23] <Tonio_> ryanakca: I think so
[12:00] <Arby> cool, I have a KDE flavoured gobuntu running on a laptop
[12:01] <Arby> wasn't expecting that to work