=== persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:32] Mithrandir: could you give back kde4pim === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Viper550 [n=Viper550@d57-121-167.home.cgocable.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === login_ [n=login@CPE0018f3a66698-CM0019475d87ba.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:00] I have been compiling kernel 2.6.22 and have run across a dilemna. My compiled kernel weighs in at about 400-500 mb while the ubuntu kernel weighs about 100-200 mb. How did you guys get the kernel to be so thin?While i was uncompressing the kernel i saw it uncompress folders such as sparc so is it possible that my kernel installed all architectures? if so , how can i make it only use 1386? === jml [n=jml@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:01] Please read the topic. [01:03] this is a topic related to feisty [01:03] .. [01:05] login_: This is not the place to come for kernel compiling lessons/support. === ryu [n=chris@unaffiliated/ryu] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Gone] === doko__ [n=doko@dslb-088-073-099-162.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:06] login_: that is a support issue, please use the -users list or the forums === login_ [n=login@CPE0018f3a66698-CM0019475d87ba.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jrib [n=jrib@upstream/dev/jrib] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zabin [n=zabin@c-68-59-30-108.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:44] Hello I was wondering if any of you knew of a list of current projects going on that i could get involved helping with? === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:45] zabin: What sort of thing are you interested in helping with? === hggdh [n=hggdh@pool-71-170-39-244.dllstx.fios.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:46] persia: Well im currently a college study studying computer engineering and I would be interested in helping out with some programming developing perhaps a program or application of the open source community. [01:47] persia: *for the open source community. [01:48] zabin: I think he meant what area of Ubuntu are you most interested in? [01:49] zabin: Hmm.. That's a broad goal :) For Ubuntu specifically, we usually focus on patches and maintenance (for which #ubuntu-motu is a good discussion channel), implementation of new features (a list of specifications is available from https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu - be sure to check to see who else is working on it, and have a few leftovers that need code listed at the bottom of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/TODO. [01:49] Amaranth: Not necessarily :) [01:50] Hrm, pretty much anything that would involve programming. [01:50] zabin: Depending on your interest, you may be able to contribute as much (or more) working with some of our more prominent upstreams (e.g. GNOME, KDE, OOo, mozilla, X, linux, etc.) [01:52] persia: thanks for that link earlier there are a few projects on there that i could see myself getting involved in. [01:53] zabin: Great. Welcome, and thanks for helping! [01:55] Thanks [02:00] zabin: you should work on compiz :) [02:01] I'm looking into working on the easy-encryption project lol [02:02] Amaranth: The compiz stuff would probably way of my head for my first team development project. [02:03] yeah, it does require a somewhat interesting set of skills [02:03] Amaranth: do you know of any projects that you would think would be good to start out on as a noob? [02:04] GNOME and KDE have bugs marked for beginners to tackle [02:04] Do you know where i would have to look to find where that is online? [02:08] Amaranth: do you know where that page is located? [02:09] for which one? [02:09] Amaranth: GNOME and KDE have bugs marked for beginners to tackle [02:09] do you want GNOME or KDE? 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[07:00] hey fabbione, Hobbsee [07:01] hi Burgundavia === macd [n=d@cl-116.atl-01.us.sixxs.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gaze_ [n=sp1n@cpe-24-221-176-91.ca.sprintbbd.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:17] what packages are the man pages for strlen strcpy etc. in? [07:17] *package [07:27] gaze_: manpages-dev, please use #ubuntu next time [07:29] sorry about that [07:29] thanks anyway === fabbione [i=fabbione@gordian.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:47] Good morning [07:52] morning pitti [07:52] morning pitti! [07:57] Morning pitti [07:58] hey all [07:58] pitti: So, do you want to remove some NBS packages? :-) === blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:59] pitti: There are 3 that are zero-sized in the list, I'm working on a fourth. I can start on a fifth, but only after you look at/approve a MIR. [08:01] StevenK: yeah, can do === highvoltage [n=highvolt@broadband-196-1-61-45.amobia.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony [n=anthony@124-168-128-144.dyn.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === amitk_ [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:11] oh good, i wont have to kill calc today [08:11] Heh, maybe tomorrow? === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gaze_ [n=sp1n@cpe-24-221-176-91.ca.sprintbbd.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [08:20] StevenK: depends. [08:29] StevenK: i dont like my documents corrupted, then ooo dying over trying to uncorrupt them. [08:29] Sounds like fun. [08:29] although it appears that this one is not a .doc, which is good, as it's kinda important, so did actually recover correctly === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === micahcowan [n=micah@ubuntu/member/micahcowan] has joined #ubuntu-devel === StevenK curses arb. [08:53] Now it fails with a linking problem. === ccm [n=damokles@lilith.spinnenwerk.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:58] is there a reason why there is no jigdo download for desktop images but for alternate isos? === dholbach [n=daniel@pD9E25DBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:00] ah, maybe dholbach knows [09:00] 08:58 < ccm> is there a reason why there is no jigdo download for desktop images but for alternate isos? [09:00] hi ccm [09:00] hi dholbach :) [09:00] :) [09:00] no, no idea [09:00] sorry [09:01] okay [09:01] ccm: depending on what you want to download, there's mostly no point in it anyway [09:01] as in, downloading things yet [09:01] Hobbsee: well, jigdo updates packages in an iso [09:01] so a jigdo would give you an iso with the most recent kernel and stuff [09:02] i think this is even more than a nice to have [09:02] ccm: the livefs' arent building yet for most arches/flavours, so the iso isnt worth downloading anyway, at this particular point in time. [09:02] but true, i see your point [09:02] Ah I get the problem [09:02] jigdo can't work with desktop CDs, as most of the space is taken up by one file (the squashfs) [09:02] its about building the final desktop iso [09:02] okay [09:03] then this is not a political decision just a technical one === lukaswayne9 [n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Czubek [n=Damian@k133d.ac.pwr.wroc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] I suppose it might be possible to have a jigdo-like thing that reconstructed the squashfs after downloading the packages, but such a thing doesn't exist and would be non-trivial. === dholbach [n=daniel@pD9E25DBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:04] Fujitsu: I see. I have actually no clue about squashfs but I'll have a look at this [09:05] infinity_: ping [09:07] infinity_: bah, oo.o on ppc still failed with your increased waiting period [09:07] pitti: I'm very tempted to give up on removing the last Build-Depends of libglew-dev. It's a package called arb that hasn't built and doesn't look like it's going to build without a lot of swearing and screwdrivers being thrown at a wall. [09:07] StevenK: right, just ignore it then [09:07] hi pitti === pitti hugs dholbach === dholbach hugs pitti back [09:08] pitti: In that case, libglew1, libglew-dev, libgeda20, libparrot0.4.6 and libquantlib-0.8.0 can be NBS'd out of the archive. === Hobbsee hugs dholbach and pitti [09:08] StevenK: but screwdrivers being thrown at the wall might be fun! === dholbach hugs Hobbsee back [09:09] :) [09:09] StevenK: yay [09:10] The changelog for the arb Ubuntu changes is ten lines, and it still didn't completly build. Besides, it looks like a complete PoS to build, too. === Nicke [n=niclasa@ua-83-227-140-135.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:10] Someone *very* sadistic wrote their Makefile. [09:11] pitti: Can I convince you to look at a MIR? :-) [09:11] Can someobody please give back banshee on ia64, amd64 and i386? [09:12] Fujitsu: kicked [09:13] StevenK: NBS axe applied [09:13] pitti: Woot, way cool. [09:13] pitti: Thanks. [09:13] StevenK: which MIR? [09:14] pitti: Mutagen [09:14] pitti: Needed for new libgpod. [09:14] Grr, evil 1.1.6 build log breakage. === dholbach [n=daniel@pD9E25DBD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] StevenK: "MainInclusionReportMutagen (I will talk to dholbach in person -iwj)" -- hmm === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:16] dholbach: ^ did Ian ask you about this? [09:16] pitti: no, he didn't [09:18] StevenK: I'll ask Ian about that before [09:18] pitti: Okay, cool. === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:22] pitti: You'll regenerate the list after the publisher finishes running? [09:22] StevenK: yeah, but that will be a while [09:22] since the current one didn't catch it yet, I think [09:23] Ah [09:23] That's okay, I'm aout to drive home, and then off to my mothers for dinner. (Oh joy, oh rapture) [09:24] say you were abducted or something, and dont go :P [09:25] I'm very tempted. [09:25] Right, what the heck is going on with !{sparc,powerpc} banshee builds? hal's failing to start on installation, causing the world to explode. [09:28] Fujitsu: why would the package need to build-dep on hal? that seems wrong to me === Fujitsu has no idea. I just saw things depending on a newer banshee than existed on most archs. [09:29] Argh, it has a lot of direct build-deps. [09:29] scary [09:30] b-dep'ing on g-v-m, hal, dbus, etc. seems definitively wrong [09:30] I doubt that we can make hal work correctly in any chroot [09:30] if /sys or /proc are not mounted, it'll go nuts [09:30] That'd do it. === Fujitsu works out which build-dep is pulling in hal. === Fujitsu also wonders why it succeeded on powerpc and sparc. [09:31] Fujitsu: their buildd chroots might have /sys, or so [09:38] Fujitsu: I suspect libipod-cil === Hobbsee dies of freezing [09:38] Fujitsu: libipod-cil -> libipoddevice0 -> gnome-volume-manager -> hal -> dbus === pitti melts [09:38] pitti: Aha, thanks. [09:38] pitti: what's the temp there? [09:39] Hobbsee: 30 degrees [09:39] pitti: i'll swap === Hobbsee waits for the house to warm up a bit === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:49] hi Tonio_ [09:49] infinity_: terranova still seems to have the old apt and thus does not build live CDs; can you please poke that? [09:49] hi Hobbsee :) === Fujitsu wonders what the new buildds will be named. === gizmo [n=gizmo@p578b708f.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] Fujitsu: i want to name one "doom" === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === fabbione scratches his head === Hobbsee throws small rocks at fabbione [10:14] something is broken... === Hobbsee didnt break it [10:15] bzzzzzzzzzzt === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:19] hey slomo [10:19] hi dholbach :) [10:20] slomo: how's it going? === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:21] dholbach: everything's alright, just very busy as always ;) [10:21] dholbach: and you? [10:21] same here :-) === dholbach gets some more coffee === StevenK [n=stevenk@14.5.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn [n=thekorn@a89-182-5-46.net-htp.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel === elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee waves to elmo [10:37] hi Hobbsee === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #ubuntu-devel === `anthony_ [n=anthony@203-214-127-151.perm.iinet.net.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:13] pitti: I'll look into both OOo and terranova, thanks. [11:13] Hobbsee: pong? === infinity_ is now known as inifnity [11:14] infinity_: same as what pitti later said, sorry === inifnity is now known as infinity [11:14] infinity: cheers [11:14] You'd think if there was any word in the world I could type, it would be "infinity"... :/ [11:15] haha [11:15] infinity: just blame it on the cold or something [11:16] It's summer... [11:16] oh, so you did move. [11:16] pitti: apt in terranova's gutsy-live chroot is up to date... [11:16] Hobbsee: No, I'm just in London for the next week. [11:16] ah right [11:16] pitti: No idea why it wasn't before, but it fixed itself in the meantime. [11:16] infinity: weird; ok, I'll try another livefs build === dholbach hugs infinity [11:17] pitti: I'm changing the livefs stuff to trigger a chroot upgrade bfore each build anyway, sinc the cron.daily updates seems a bit less reliable at times. [11:17] evand: slomo took care of the tomboy update in the meantime already - marking it as done [11:17] infinity: hmm, still the same problem; might be an mvo bug then [11:17] pitti: Lemme look... [11:18] Uhh... [11:18] pitti: Which dist are you building? === pitti wonders why buildlive ubuntu suddenly produces an awful lot of output [11:18] infinity: ubuntun [11:18] pitti: I see no logs for i386 since 20070712.1 [11:18] infinity: I manually triggered some last Friday and today [11:19] ... [11:19] king is currently grinding [11:19] and terranova once again exited with the usual [11:19] elmo: Couldn't find task minimal [11:19] elmo: Couldn't find task standard [11:19] erk, "E:", not "elmo" (sorry, elmo) [11:19] pitti: Exact command you're running as cdimage on lithium? [11:19] buildlive ubuntu [11:19] just as the cronjob does [11:21] Argh, why does lithium still have that ps-unfriendly kernel patch? [11:22] ps aux works quite fine here? [11:23] 24 processes is "fine" to you? :) [11:23] well, for my purposes, yes :) [11:23] And no useful output from "w" or "who". === ivoks [n=ivoks@ubuntu/member/ivoks] has joined #ubuntu-devel === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] hi iwj === gouki_ [n=gouki@ubuntu/member/gouki] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] Hi. [11:29] Hmm, I wonder why this client wasn't connected over the weekend ? [11:30] Oh well. [11:30] greetings iwj, thanks for your mail [11:31] pitti: When the cronjob building dailies is done, we're going to reboot with a less gimped kernel, so you might want to lay off lithium for a bit. [11:31] infinity: sure; I don't mind at all if you kill the current build, too [11:31] (Not that a less gimped kernel will solve the issue you were having, but it'll make it less painful for me to diagnose life) [11:31] infinity: it was just for testing the apt issue on terranova [11:32] Hobbsee: Hi. The dpkg one ? NP. [11:32] pitti: When we bring lithium back, I'll try to figure out WTF is going on between lithium and terranova. [11:32] ah, seems to have finished [11:32] iwj: yeah [11:32] Hobbsee: I've done what I think is fixing it and if I'm wrong I'm sure we'll find out soon enough. [11:32] pitti: Since terranova isn't actually building anything, and hasn't done since the 12th, I'm curious what you're seeing. ;) [11:32] iwj: cool, OK [11:32] infinity: it seems it dumped a large portion of the log to stdout instead of the log file [11:32] infinity: that may or may not be related to the symptoms [11:33] pitti: Do you have stdout in a buffer? [11:33] infinity: hm, the remaining bits actually seem to indicate a moblin build [11:33] pitti: The first 20 lins or so... [11:33] pitti: Yeah, that's what I thought. [11:33] pitti: I blame Tollef. [11:33] pitti: I'll lookinto it after the reboot. :) [11:33] infinity: only the last 40 lines or so [11:33] infinity: cheers [11:33] pitti: I suspect someone swapped live/moblin to do some testing or something. :) [11:34] infinity: it currently seems to run a cronjob for some sparc image [11:34] but I don't need any image right now, so just kill off anything you like [11:34] ... or it could be my own retarded misuse of authorized_keys [11:35] slomo: Got any ideas on how to convince hal to work on the buildds? pitti says it's probably not going to happen. [11:35] Fujitsu: nope, not really === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:35] slomo: would it be entirely unreasonable to drop the g-v-m dependency from libipoddevice0? [11:35] Why does libipoddevice0 need g-v-m? [11:35] Damn, beat me to it. === ivoks_ [n=ivoks@vipnet35-165.mobile.carnet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:36] Fujitsu: I smell an agreement here :) [11:36] I really don't see why it needs something so desktopy. [11:36] (disclaimer: I neither have a shiny iPod nor an idea what libipoddevice0 does in particular) [11:36] pitti, Fujitsu: it needs it for getting the volume informations, mounting, whatever... at least it needs hal & g-v-m to work ;) [11:36] pitti: then get one, and claim it as a work expense :P [11:37] slomo: but g-v-m? [11:37] "Recommends: hal" maybe? [11:37] pitti: and people who don't look at recommends will have a non-working library... [11:38] the better fix would probably to have a policy-rc.d in those chroots to not start daemons in the first place [11:38] pitti: and it definitely needs g-v-m, upstream told me that ;) i just don't know why [11:38] pitti: i have the same problem on the debian buildds btw, well... only on ppc and ia64... [11:38] pitti: I'm a muppet, it's my fault. :) [11:39] pitti: Give me a few minutes to write a wrapper for livefs/moblin, and it should sort itself. [11:39] yay [11:39] I forget: Against which package/product should bugs on the ubunut.com website be reported? [11:39] (where "few minutes" involves things like getting a Coke, having a smoke, and generally waking up) [11:40] soren: ubuntu-website? [11:40] "No results found for keyword 'ubuntu-website'." [11:40] That's definitely the project name, but LP search is not great. [11:40] soren: LP search is on crack. see https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-website [11:41] Ah.. [11:41] Yes, I'm an idiot. Found it now. Thanks! === Fujitsu tried it once then decided it wasn't worth the pain. [11:41] it either returns nothing, or returns results which dont contained the search term [11:41] which i find...slightly odd [11:41] of course, occasionally it returns the right things. [11:41] (when searching by keywords, in a bug report) [11:42] If you're lucky, and choose keyword characters carefully. === xhaker [n=xhaker@di19.di.fct.unl.pt] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] slomo: any idea about https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/2.19.5-0ubuntu1/+build/356089 ? do the gstreamer pkgconfig files specify -Werror somewhere? We must not use that on sparc and ia64 [11:43] slomo: (the better alternative is of course to actually fix the gstreamer includes) === siti [n=siti@clix-jaquesmartin-nz.cpe.clix.net.nz] has joined #ubuntu-devel === _cerbero_ [n=jga@pD9E635F0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.94.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a514:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === ivoks__ [n=ivoks@vipnet247-164.mobile.carnet.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel === gouki_ is now known as gouki === IanC26 [n=IanC26@2002:908b:a5c4:4:216:6fff:fe39:ff6e] has joined #ubuntu-devel === axxo [n=axxo@83.217.70.247] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:07] OH GREAT [12:07] grrrrrr... [12:07] ? [12:09] FTBFS missing B-D [12:09] i hate when i make that mistake [12:09] soren: how's https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0/+bug/119075 going? [12:09] Launchpad bug 119075 in mysql-dfsg-5.0 "Root password policy for mysql" [High,Confirmed] [12:11] Hobbsee: Um... I think it's blocking on me now, I'm afraid. I talked to upstream (MySQL, not Debian) and they marked it as wishlist with a note that I should not expect anything to happen anytime soon. [12:11] soren: right - so i should remilestone to sometime later? === stdin [i=stdin@unaffiliated/binary2k2] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:22] pitti: Testing now, but the wrapper should DTRT. [12:22] infinity: \o/ [12:28] soren: Note that I am Debian MySQL upstream, if you wanted to discuss that one with "upstream". :P [12:29] infinity: Oh, no. :) === Trewas [n=ilonen@raato.lut.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:30] infinity: You've read the bug report? [12:30] soren: The end of the bug log seemed to imply it was blocking on discussing with Debian. [12:30] infinity: As I just said to Hobbsee, I decided to go directly to MySQL. [12:30] soren: And since I don't se Christian or Sean onling, that leaves me. :) [12:30] infinity: Who apparantly found that their current methods for doing this were just fine. :( [12:31] soren: Hrm, I'm not sure there's a "proper" solution from MySQL AB, really... They never seemed to mind installing the daemon with an empty root password. [12:31] soren: It's always been up to distributors to figure out how to deal with that, if we cared. [12:31] infinity: Alright. the major difficulty is that we don't like having clear text passwords lying around in text files. [12:32] In the case of MySQL, we have one anyway. :) [12:32] And without completely rethinking the upgrade process, we'll continue to have the debian-sys-maint user for a while. [12:32] infinity: I know, and we (pitti and I) want to lose that. [12:33] soren: We could try to rework things so maintainer scripts use --skip-grant to do everything, but that involves bouncing the daemon more times, that's all. [12:34] soren: Certainly, any such drastic changes, I would like to discuss to the level where we can be happy putting it in Debian's SVN as well. [12:35] infinity: Yeah, and that sucks too. The perfect solution would be to patch the mysql-server to just grant (system) root full access. [12:35] soren: This level of maintainer sciprt forking gets ugly. :) [12:35] infinity: Agreed. [12:36] infinity: I agree; there's nothing you can hide from root anyway, so 'sudo mysql ...' should just do things without password [12:36] soren: Surely, we'd want to grant access to the controlling user, not to root. [12:36] so the password should initially be disabled, and the admin needs to 'sudo mysqladmin set-password' or so [12:36] (This is what postgres does, isn't it? The postgres user has full access) [12:37] infinity: right, s/root/mysql server system user/ [12:37] But not hardcoded, actual controlling user (so, if I start a mysql instance as adconrad, I get full access to my little daemon) [12:37] I wouldn't be against such a patch, by any stretch. [12:38] It would make postgres admins happy, I suspect, to have similar behavior. :) [12:39] and would make the entire 'password in file' and debian-sys-maint fiddling unnecessary, too [12:39] Yeah, obviously. === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:39] Having an "rm -f /etc/mysql/debian-sys-maint" in a future maintainer script won't hurt my feelings any. [12:39] infinity: Good point. Yes, "if the connecting user is the same as the user the particular mysql instance is running as, grant full access" is what we want. [12:42] pitti: Latest i386 ubuntu image looks good again. [12:42] infinity: thanks muchly! [12:42] infinity: I just don't think my C++ fu is strong enough to have a go at it right now. I'd need quite a bit of time. [12:42] pitti: Feel free to smack me at allhands for being ssh-retarded. :) [12:42] pfft, I'll mention your quick solution rather :) [12:43] soren: My general rule is "if your C++ is weak, make mvo do it"... But I get the impression he's overworked lately (perhaps due to that very rule) [12:43] infinity: or find someone else good with c++, and make them do it === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:43] soren: I can certainly look at it this week when I find some "RT is cleaned out and I'm bored" time. === Hobbsee wonders why the world keeps randomly spinning [12:43] Hobbsee: Vodka. [12:44] oh, was that it. right. [12:45] soren: Care to transpose the relevant bits of this converation into the bug as some sort of pseudo-spec about just what we'd like to see happen here? [12:45] soren: Cause the last few comments in the bug still seem to be hinging on --skip-grant ugliness. I do prefer this EUID==connectingUser concept. [12:45] infinity: Will do. [12:46] soren: With any luck, some keener will step up and fix it for us before I have a chance to find free time to look at it. :) [12:46] soren: Otherwise, I'm sure I can sell it to Christian and Sean, and one of the three of us should be able to find time. [12:48] pitti: If terranova gives you any more grief, let me know. Writing ssh wrappers in shell is a big no-no, but it's a secured network with a know good set (or set of good?) users, so whatever. :) [12:51] BenC, ping [12:55] infinity: That would rock! [12:55] StevenK: oh, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ubuntu-archive/NBS/ is up to date, btw [12:55] who could I assign bug 125336 to? who is the udev 'maintainer' nowadays? [12:55] Launchpad bug 125336 in udev "typo KERNEl in rules.d/20-names.rules" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/125336 [12:55] soren: No promises about such rocking occuring, you understand, that was with my Debian hat on, not my Canonical hat. [12:55] StevenK: sorry, forgot to tell you; I also increased the regeneration frequency to 4 times per day [12:56] soren: But I will talk it over with them. === pbn [i=pbn@wopr.geekshells.org] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:56] ok, I'll assign to keybuk [12:56] dholbach: Scott... but if it's urgent i can look at it now [12:56] no, I doubt it - it's just one of the bugs out of the review queue [12:57] dev/raw... i don't think it's really wildly used but the patch is right [12:57] but thanks fabbione [12:57] I'll assign you a different one ;-) [12:57] dholbach: you can just upload that.. really.. udev is not maintained in bzr or anything [12:57] infinity: Sure, sure. Got it. [12:57] dholbach: just make sure to tell me before... my LP income mail is too huge to notice [12:58] alright [12:58] dholbach: is there a way to find all bugs assigned to me which came from sponsoring requests? [12:59] pitti: hrm, no, not really === rodarvus [n=rodarvus@ubuntu/member/rodarvus] has joined #ubuntu-devel === raphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jdstrand [n=james@mail.strandboge.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:17] pitti: Way cool. [01:17] pitti: that -Werror must come from somewhere else... only gstreamer cvs is built with -Werror and then it's not in the pkgconfig files [01:17] pitti: maybe g-p-m development releases have this? [01:18] viviersf: pong [01:18] dholbach: ^ ? [01:18] pitti: Did you manage to corner iwj? [01:18] hey BenC [01:18] StevenK: not yet, but he's alive now :) [01:18] pitti: I don't know [01:18] Heh === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:18] pitti: can you give me a patch for the gstreamer includes and i get it upstream... no idea what this warning means :) [01:18] iwj: what were your concerns about the mutagen MIR? [01:18] hum, ogra isn't around [01:19] pitti: Let me look again. [01:19] Riddell: Ping, about kdepimlibs4{,-dev} NBS. [01:19] StevenK: what about it? [01:19] hey pitti [01:19] pitti: I should have draft of kernel-updates policy today [01:20] Riddell: Do you need to throw a bunch of rebuilds up? [01:20] Er, need me to [01:20] BenC, we can still get new driver support into gutsy right ? [01:20] BenC: were the modifications that I did ok for you? [01:20] StevenK: what of? everythig kde 4 has been rebuilt last week [01:20] pitti: Looks like it's fixed. The review report was incomplete. [01:20] pitti: I haven't reviewed them completely, but I'm pretty sure they are [01:20] viviersf: in lum, yeah [01:20] pitti: Shall I deal with it again ? [01:21] Riddell: kde4pim and kdepimlibs4-dev still Depend on kdepimlibs4. [01:21] pitti: do you understand the warning? [01:21] Riddell: And it looks like kdepim4 failed to build on ia64, based on the NBS output. [01:21] iwj: ah, nice; it looked quite complete to me, so I wondered [01:21] slomo: not really [01:21] pitti: good :) [01:21] iwj, pitti: Ah. That was me a few days finishing it off. [01:21] iwj: if you have time to review it again, that would be much appreciated [01:22] StevenK: everything has failed on ia64, I'm not that bothered myself [01:22] BenC, the new dell notebooks has intel 4965 wireless network card and isnt supported in gutsy. Where do i file the issue again to get the driver in ? [01:22] pitti: On it. [01:22] viviersf: already a known issue, rtg is getting the iwlwifi driver prepared for lum this week I hope [01:22] StevenK: Right. We were just a bit confused because it found its way into the approval queue before it was finished. [01:23] BenC, cool thanks [01:23] viviersf: no need to file a bug [01:23] viviersf: if you could stay in contact with rtg, that'd be great, because we'll need testers [01:23] iwj: Ah. That's curious. I didn't move its place in the queue, just checked that it was in there. === doviende [n=pete@h24-207-76-94.cst.dccnet.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === dholbach_ [n=daniel@pD9E2454E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:28] BenC, cool ill do that [01:28] whos rtg ? === jordi [n=jordi@115.Red-213-96-69.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [01:28] pitti: We don't want OpenOffice on powerpc anyway, do we? [01:28] viviersf: Tim Gardner, kernel-team [01:28] pitti: I'll just P-a-s it out! [01:29] BenC, cool ta [01:29] infinity: *blink* === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:29] Heh [01:30] cjwatson: (that was sarcasm) [01:30] infinity: I'm not sure, so far it worked; I never really used it except for opening some files sent around by email :) [01:30] infinity: I'm really stunned, though; nothing significant changed since the last build === StevenK idly wishes a few upstreams would get off their collective backsides and fix their projects to build against new versions of certain libraries. [01:31] infinity: (I know) [01:31] BenC, you know about sata not working on dell D630 ? [01:32] viviersf: no, do you know what chipset it is? [01:32] pitti: The moon phase changed. That's about all it takes to upset OOo. [01:32] BenC, just trying to find out [01:34] pitti: Also, there was a new upstream version... [01:34] openoffice.org | 2.2.0-1ubuntu3 | gutsy | powerpc [01:34] D630 is 965gm [01:34] openoffice.org | 2.2.1-5ubuntu3 | gutsy | source, amd64, i386, sparc === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #ubuntu-devel [01:34] pitti: powerpc hasn't built since 2.2.0 [01:35] pitti: In fact, it hasn't built since gutsy opened, so one could blame any number of factors. [01:35] oh, oops [01:35] BenC, mjg59 actually its the cdrom that doesnt work so it should be ide [01:36] pitti: This would be the part where the OOo people and the toolchain people get to point fingers for a week until someone notices the "DONT_STALL_BUILD" variable in debian/rules is set to "0" on powerpc. [01:36] lol === StevenK gets tempted to build asterisk-spandsp-plugins from alioth SVN. [01:38] DONT_STALL_BUILD> WTF? [01:38] StevenK: As tempted as you are to try an OOo build on PPC and tell me why it hangs? :) [01:38] infinity: Send me one of adare, ross or royal and you've got a deal. :-P [01:39] Right, then. Guess I'll do it myself. :) === StevenK chuckles === infinity offlines adare. [01:39] infinity: While you're paying attention, why is vivies marked as MANUAL for LiveCDs? Sparc doesn't have live CDs .... [01:40] StevenK: It's alsothe security/dak buildd. [01:40] StevenK: But sparc does have livefs builds, they just don't work. [01:40]