[02:12] <marcin_ant> hi all
[02:12] <marcin_ant> jbailey: hello
[02:12] <marcin_ant> jbailey: I got a question to you - are you available?
[02:28] <jbailey> marcin_ant: Well, I woke up less than 5 minutes ago and noticed the nick highlight.
[02:29] <jbailey> But if you'll accept that I might make no sense, ask away.
[02:49] <marcin_ant> jbailey: ok
[02:49] <marcin_ant> jbailey: I hope that now you can talk
[02:49] <infinity> jbailey: I'd like to ask you some glibc questions, but only if you can guarantee that you won't make sense.
[02:49] <infinity> jbailey: The bug in question doesn't make sense, so if your response doesn't make sense, we may be in two-wrongs-making-rights territory.
[02:50] <jbailey> infinity: If you're a true euclidian, you'll know that you need three wrongs to make a right.
[02:50] <marcin_ant> jbailey: so, my question is about cdbs - because I found your mail in cdbs documentation
[02:50] <infinity> jbailey: That's three lefts.
[02:50] <jbailey> infinity: Sure, but they were one-way streets.  I live in Montral.
[02:50] <marcin_ant> jbailey: I'm trying to prepare package that has source in *.zip file
[02:51] <jbailey> If there was CDBS documentation, my name probably wasn't on it. =)
[02:51] <jbailey> At least, not as a copyright holder.
[02:51] <marcin_ant> jbailey: then I use tarball.mk to unpack this source to build-dir
[02:51] <infinity> marcin_ant: You're almost certain to get better CDBS support from #ubuntu-motu than from jbailey...
[02:52] <marcin_ant> jbailey: problem is that I cannot create dpatch because when I run dpatch-edit-patch there is no source in debian directory.. 
[02:52] <marcin_ant> jbailey: any idea what to do with this problem?
[02:52] <jbailey> marcin_ant: I have never used dpatch and cdbs together.
[02:52] <jbailey> I know that quilt works reasonably well, but once you're willing to use tarball.mk, simple-patchsys.mk is a nice choice.
[02:52] <jbailey> Much less overhead than dpatch.
[02:53] <marcin_ant> infinity: I did already - no response as far
[02:53] <jbailey> At that point, just put diffs in debian/patches
[02:53] <jbailey> They can be either -p0 -p1 or -p2 to apply, it'll figure it out per patch.
[02:54] <infinity> marcin_ant: The problem with asking Jeff how to use CDBS is the above -- he just tells you to use it the way he does. :)
[02:54] <marcin_ant> infinity: :D
[02:54] <jbailey> Given that I have never read any documentation for cdbs, I can't say whether it's well documented or not.  The trick is generally to refer to the source code, which is well commented.
[02:54] <infinity> We have plenty of packages using tarball.mk and dpatch together, I'm sure.  And some of the MOTUs are sure to know which those are. :)
[02:54] <jbailey> Although you may need to understand some of the finer points of GNU Make.
[02:59] <marcin_ant> infinity: can you point me to such package? 
[03:00] <infinity> marcin_ant: Nope, hence why I suggested the MOTUs. :)
[03:01] <marcin_ant> infinity: ehh to be honest they are not helpfull but maybe this time ;)
[03:03] <jbailey> marcin_ant: A Monday morning may not be the best time to find volunteers.  Europe is in their workday, north america isn't awake yet.
[03:05] <marcin_ant> jbailey: well you are propably right
[03:07] <infinity> Oh, FFS.
[03:08] <infinity> as SEGV on lpia...
[03:08] <marcin_ant> jbailey: another thing is that popably most Europeans are just pretending that they work (it's so hooot here) ;) and studens have holidays
[03:08] <infinity> Good thing we don't need that.
[03:08] <infinity> marcin_ant: I'm not pretending to work, I assure you.
[03:09] <jbailey> infinity: When did you become a European?
[03:09] <jbailey> Or do you mean racioethnically.
[03:09] <jbailey> ?
[03:09] <infinity> jbailey: I'm in London.
[03:09] <infinity> doko: Be awake, I need someone to yell at.
[03:10] <jbailey> infinity: Ah, cool.  I hadn't realised you were still there.
[03:10] <infinity> jbailey: To be fair, I hadn't realised either until a few minutes after I woke up this morning.
[03:11] <jbailey> heh
[03:11] <infinity> (I hate that "waking up in a strange place" feeling)
[03:11] <infinity> "This is not my beautiful flat panel TV, this is not my uncomfortable bed..."
[03:11] <jbailey> And on Canonical sprints "Who's that in the bed beside me?"
[03:13] <marcin_ant> London is not in hot part of Europe today (as usual they got ugly weather)
[03:13] <infinity> Yeah, I have the room to myself now.  No more wondering whose beautiufl wife that was.
[03:14] <jbailey> And thinking of skieving off, I probably shouldn't my last week of work.
[07:02] <doko> infinity: ?
[07:03] <infinity> doko!
[07:04] <infinity> doko: Your gcc-4.2 (lpia) and the i386 binutils don't seem to get along.  as SEGVs during the binutils build.
[07:04] <infinity> doko: And you showed up just as I was considering leaving for the day...
[07:05] <doko> infinity: which binutils version?
[07:06] <infinity> The latest.
[07:07] <infinity> (In both cases: the latest i386 build is being used, and the latest source is being built with it)
[07:11] <doko> infinity: when built with the lpia gcc?
[07:12] <infinity> doko: When built with the lpia gcc-4.2, yes.
[07:12] <infinity> doko: When built using the i386 gcc-4.1, it goes fine.  Haven't tested the i386 gcc-4.2.
[07:13] <doko> how did you setup your current chroot? do you have gcc-4.1 / gcc-4.2 / binutils / dpkg /apt packages availabel somewhere?
[07:14] <infinity> doko: I can throw the whole chroot at you, if you have the bandwidth...
[07:14] <infinity> Including, for bonus points, the failed build tree, and the log.
[07:14] <doko> infinity: the chroot would be fine
[07:15] <infinity> Taring now...
[07:18] <infinity> doko: chinstrap:~adconrad/binutils-failure.tar.bz2
[07:19] <infinity> doko: For extra points, that tarball is huge because I left all my packages in /tmp ... So, if you need to fiddle around with installing other versions, then reinstalling the lpia stuff, it's there.
[07:19] <infinity> doko: And the build was as the buildd user in /build/buildd (with a build.log there too)
[07:48] <jbailey> infinity: Are you sending that of the thread and tin-cans from .au? =)
[07:48] <infinity> jbailey: I'm not in .au...
[07:49] <jbailey> Sure, but your build boxes probably are.
[07:49] <infinity> Nah, this is on molybdenum, in the DC.
[07:49] <infinity> And if it wasn't, it'd be on my laptop, the fastest x86 machine I own.
[07:49] <jbailey> Heh.
[07:50] <infinity> (Also the only x86 machine I own...)
[07:50] <jbailey> But dude, if you put wheels on it, is there enough surface area to put a grip strip and use it for boarding? =)
[07:50] <infinity> Nah, I have more purchasing sense than that. :P
[07:50] <infinity> You're still using the surfboard, I take it?
[07:52] <jbailey> Angie's going to inherit it soon.
[07:52] <jbailey> It's a great machine for playing Age of Mythology under wine.
[07:52] <jbailey> Or Caesar 3.