=== sun-ping [n=Average@c80-217-218-179.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #xubuntu === sun-ping [n=Average@c80-217-218-179.bredband.comhem.se] has left #xubuntu [] === magic_ninja [n=asdfsdf@ip68-103-23-222.ks.ok.cox.net] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana_ [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-176-172.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana_ [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-176-172.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === T` [n=total@pdpc/supporter/student/T] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana__ [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-176-10.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === Jester45 [n=ryan@75-120-49-142.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #xubuntu === kalikiana [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-155-7.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu === vidd [n=vidd@207-172-178-217.c3-0.tlg-ubr6.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu === gerro [n=user@c-68-33-161-50.hsd1.md.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu === [tokin] [n=ryan@dynamic-acs-24-144-225-167.zoominternet.net] has joined #xubuntu [01:54] how do I force rmmod need to remove a wireless driver [01:54] ralink rt2500 just lagged up my comp to a hault [01:55] what did you type when you modprobe'd it? [01:55] gerro, ^^^ [01:55] I went to network to configure wireless and after it configured interface everything lagged horribly [01:55] can barely move mouse [01:56] right....but did you type sudo modprobe [drivername] ? [01:57] I am root and doing rmmod -f rt2500 [01:57] it says ERROR: removing `rt2500` resource temporarily unavailable [01:57] do modprobe -r rt2500 [01:58] FATAL: Module rt2500 is in use.\ [01:58] I need to edit blacklist and add rt2500 [01:59] is there some way I can echo it into that file? [01:59] then ifdown [card id ie eth1] [01:59] ooh that might work [01:59] Johan johanna.. [01:59] THEN dprobe -r rt2500 [01:59] THEN do modprobe -r rt2500 [02:00] ooh think its working now command line is more responsive [02:00] but my ethernet doesn't work either :( [02:01] well...of COURSE not...you killed your connection! [02:02] ifdown tells the system to shut down that ethernet connection [02:02] and ifup will turn it back opn [02:02] *on [02:07] no I mean I can't use ethernet so I was trying out wireless that is when I had the lag problem [02:09] why can't you use ethernet? [02:09] no clue its a weird NIC [02:09] desktop or laptop? [02:10] VIA technologies, inc. vt6102 [Rhine-II] (rev 74) [02:10] laptop [02:10] pcmcia or pci? [02:10] its an averatec 3200 model, the card is internal [02:11] hrm.... [02:11] i have no ideas [02:14] what is weird is the (rev 74) part === Catoptromancy [n=cat@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [02:22] vidd: I just tried to ifup eth0 and it wouldn't so I went into applications> system> network and tried to set a static ip address for ethernet and it completely froze up [02:23] oh and 2 led lights on laptop were blinking with funky symbols [02:23] I'm thinking about trying 6.06 perhaps === snaapz [n=j@CPE000c41aa8faf-CM00195eefa876.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:27] gerro, what version you using now? [02:28] 7.04 [02:29] USUSALLY older versions have more problems [02:29] but...it cant hurt === vidd pries the caps-lock key off and throws it accross the room.... [02:33] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312821&highlight=averatec+3200 its an IRQ issue I think [02:36] vidd: how do I do this "The irq poll issue from earlier versions *is* annoying but easy to fix. The error message that suggests disabling IRQ polling is valid; edit your grub startup script." === kalikiana_ [n=kalikian@xdsl-84-44-152-5.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:37] gerro, idk.....not anything i ever had to mess with === vidd has pcmcia lan cards [02:38] k [02:39] for those times when everything goes wrong [02:40] sounds interesting I might check into getting one of those [02:40] any advice on nice model? === vidd has an achient Xircom cem56-100 [02:41] but it does the trick [02:42] heck...i think even the dial-up works on it === celt1c [n=celtic42@209-6-163-104.c3-0.wak-ubr1.sbo-wak.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [02:43] i am downloading ubunutu right now and i am a linux noob, any advice for me? [02:43] celt1c, ubuntu or xubuntu? [02:44] ^^ [02:44] my advice is to give linux some time before you decide you dont like it [02:45] ubunutu i think [02:45] dont remember any x in there, whats the difference? [02:45] at first it might seem difficult because lots of things are diffrent [02:45] 95% of the apps....the desktop environment [02:46] celt1c, ubuntu uses the GNOME desktop environment xubuntu uses XFCE [02:46] whats better for a noob or better in general? [02:46] celt1c, PLEASE tell me you are using the ALT-cd and not the LIVE-cd! [02:46] well [02:46] how old is your system? [02:47] is better to ask what are you system specs [02:47] how far above the minimum specs is it [02:47] i downloaded it from here http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download [02:47] its a brand new laptop [02:47] hp pretty nice [02:47] celt1c, thats ubuntu your in the xunbutu channel (just so you know ) [02:47] celt1c, BOTH versions (live and alt) are available for download on that page === kalikiana__ [n=kalikian@xdsl-213-168-120-114.netcologne.de] has joined #xubuntu [02:48] crap sorry im so bad i didnt know that this was xubunutu [02:48] if you got the first one you saw...that is the LIVE [02:48] did you download the desktop cd iso file [02:48] i got 7.04 [02:48] celt1c, doesnt really matter to us [02:48] celt1c, whats the file name [02:48] 7.04 - desktop - i386 iso [02:49] thats the live cd [02:49] ok good [02:49] we only ask because the alt cd...while not as pretty to look at, has a kick-*** installer, and i have never had issues using it [02:49] what exactly is the alt cd i dont get it [02:49] on the other hand, i have yet to NOT have some kind of issue using a live cd [02:49] yep, it sets up the3 system better and is faster [02:50] so should i get the other one defintly? [02:50] the alt cd is a text-based installer [02:50] vidd, but you have had a lot of people in here that had problems on it or after the install from it [02:50] Jester45, from the ALT? [02:51] celt1c, it doesnt matter that much if you want to try it you can get the mini iso and that downloads programs during the install [02:51] vidd, no the live [02:51] the download is already done, so ill stick with this one i think [02:51] heh...the alt and the mini just work [02:52] the mini is less the 9 mg [02:52] 9 mb? [02:52] mini takes a few hours to install though [02:52] yeah [02:52] Redimere, maybe on dial-up [02:52] alright [02:52] unless you got a good connection [02:52] now this live cd, does it install permanetly on my computer/ [02:52] If you tell it to [02:53] do u recommend that, is it any different [02:53] vidd: No, on my Cable connection the install took three hours [02:53] celt1c, not until you deliberately tell it to [02:53] vidd: yo all I did was add Option "DisableIRQ" to xorg.conf and all problems gone lol [02:53] Redimere, wow...i never took that long [02:53] celt1c, it will boot to the desktop then there is a link to the installer on that desktop [02:53] you can try our the programs and stuff before instaling [02:54] gerro, cool [02:54] how much space does the isntall of ubuntu take up and will i have to partition the drive? [02:54] btw i only have 55 gb free on my drive [02:54] ~2gm and yes [02:54] celt1c, ONLY???? [02:54] gb* [02:55] ok so thats good [02:55] i dont know anything about paritioning drives [02:55] celt1c, you can install to part of the drive and then install a diffrent OS to the other part [02:55] the partitioner will walk you through it.... [02:55] or you can have it auto partition [02:55] and if you have any questions on the way...we will be happy to offer guidence [02:56] i am using vista right now...i wanna keep that, ok [02:56] even if you ARE installing gnome instead of Xfce! [02:56] =] [02:56] thanks u guys, u are really helpful and friendly [02:56] lol [02:56] but i wouldnt do that my self, i like having separate partitions for separate parts of the OS [02:56] ill use the auto paritioner [02:57] the burn is almost done, im gonna disconnect and go install it [02:57] wai [02:57] t [02:57] ok [02:57] celt1c, is the vista install from the manufacturer [02:57] ya i didnt do it myself [02:58] it came with vista on it [02:58] celt1c, do you only have the C drive as a harddrive [02:58] make sure you choose to "partition the free space" and not "use entire drive" [02:58] yes only c [02:58] vidd, i dont think there will be free space [02:59] vidd, can the partitioner resize ntfs partitions [02:59] celt1c, if that is an hp...there is likely a recovery partition.... [02:59] yes! [02:59] thats what that is [02:59] Jester45, no idea [02:59] yes there is so what does that mean [03:00] burn your recovery disks now [03:00] i already did lol [03:00] so idont need that partition anymore? [03:00] celt1c, you can foramat that partition so you can install (but try the use free space option first) [03:00] because if you mess up the recovery partion, your toast === Redimere [n=pj@c-24-147-189-235.hsd1.ma.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:01] ok nevermind that [03:01] so ill try the free space parition first? [03:01] Hey Vidd, you up for some tinker-age? [03:01] vidd i guess you know more about windows than me === vidd owns like 4 HP/Compaq's [03:01] haha [03:01] Redimere, sure === Torahteen [n=torahtee@c-67-172-140-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:02] so i will try the free space thing, and another thing...i tried feather linux the other day and it booted it fine from the cd but neither my touchpad nor usb mouse worked so i had to stop, what do i do if this happens with ubuntu? === Jester45 dislikes HP because they are like microsoft [03:02] celt1c, i evicted billy so the penguin could move in on each [03:02] Hey, out of curiosity, has support for wireless gotten any better with Feisty? [03:02] vidd: Bring me into that chat, I port forwarded SSH [03:03] celt1c, do you have a PS/2 mouse? [03:03] no [03:03] Torahteen, compared with? [03:03] Dapper [03:03] yeah...a little [03:03] its usb, and my touchpad didnt work either [03:03] Torahteen, yes [03:03] I did manage to get a linksys pci card working in dapper [03:03] i am on a laptop, laptops dont have ps/2 right? [03:03] Anyone manage to get a USB linksys wireless going? [03:03] oh yuck.... [03:04] lol [03:04] celt1c, some do some dont [03:04] you most likely have a broadcom 43xx wireless card [03:04] celt1c do you know what they look like? [03:04] I'm sure I do vidd [03:04] with the stupid power button on it [03:04] ya, im pretty sure i dont have one [03:04] Oh [03:04] No [03:04] lol [03:04] i guess ill just try instaslling and seeing if the touchpad works? [03:04] No power button I'm pretty sure [03:04] Torahteen, yeahworked by defualt for me [03:05] Wow, really? [03:05] yep....those other comments were fro celt1c [03:05] well everyone im afk, my freelancer rank dropped i need to get it back up [03:05] wel im gonna go try to install this ill be back soon === celt1c [n=celtic42@209-6-163-104.c3-0.wak-ubr1.sbo-wak.ma.cable.rcn.com] has left #xubuntu [] [03:06] Hmm... [03:06] Ok, I'm trying to install xubuntu on an older dell [03:06] vidd: I never could get my video drivers to work. Would you mind tinkering now? [03:06] vidd: I've forwarded SSH to my computer [03:07] Torahteen, do lsusb and pastebin the results [03:07] If I choose "Start or Install Xubuntu" or whatever that is, it goes to a blue screen with a mouse and then just sits there. I waited 10 minutes or so (the CD is being read), but nothing further [03:07] Redimere, go to #viddandme [03:08] Torahteen, get the alt or the mini iso [03:08] Where's that? :\ === vidd has both on his downloads page [03:08] www.vidd.us/downloads [03:08] the mini is <9 MB === Redimere is now known as Redimere[Mechani === Catoptromancy_ [n=cat@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:09] 192 MB RAM to install [03:09] :\ [03:09] I only have 128 [03:09] I guess that's my problem [03:09] yeah...get the mini [03:09] Where's the alternate? [03:09] Further down on the same page as the other one. [03:09] the alt is on my site, or halfway down the same page you got the live [03:11] I don't see the alt on the official site, so I'll use yours vidd [03:12] Got good mirrors? [03:12] its coming right off my server === celt1c [n=celtic42@209-6-163-104.c3-0.wak-ubr1.sbo-wak.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:14] guys its celtic again, i had a problem installing, it came up with this error after i clicked install: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job contrl turned off [03:15] celt1c, you need to go into your bios and turn virus protection off [03:15] ooo [03:15] is that easy to find in bios [03:16] no idea [03:17] there is virus proteciton in bios? [03:17] yes....basically...all it does it prevent anything non-M$ from writing to the MBR === Laibsc1 [n=Laibsch@p54B9680F.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:18] lol alright [03:18] in M$-=land...thats a good thing... [03:18] be back soon === vidd [n=vidd@207-172-178-217.c3-0.tlg-ubr6.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu === Laibsch [n=Laibsch@p54B95F3E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_ [n=vidd@207-172-178-217.c3-0.tlg-ubr6.atw-tlg.pa.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu === vidd_ is now known as vidd === celt1c [n=celtic42@209-6-163-104.c3-0.wak-ubr1.sbo-wak.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [03:30] vidd, i seared everywhere, no sign of virus control in the bios [03:31] then there is something else preventing linux from loading..... === vidd sugests that you write down the error and type the whole thing in a google serch [03:32] ok, how do u do that thing u just did [03:32] type "/me" before everything else [03:33] also....in that search, include "linux" and "ubuntu" [03:33] ok === bitform [n=bitform@cpe-66-91-31-27.hawaii.res.rr.com] has joined #xubuntu === Catoptromancy [n=Miranda@fl-71-1-235-150.dhcp.embarqhsd.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:36] random question, can i take the files that are on the live cd and put them on a usb drive? [03:37] celt1c, there is a guide somewhere about using a usb boot [03:37] is it possible for ubunutu? [03:37] yes...its possible for ALL linux flavors [03:38] ooo [03:38] is it better/faster than cds? [03:38] it is all a matter of perspective.... [03:39] ok... [03:39] installing from a live cd will be slower then any other method because you are running the entire OS from ram [03:40] the process of getting it to a usb drives seems way too complicated for me === vidd said it was POSSIBLE....not EASY! [03:41] =] [03:41] hahahaha [03:42] but running from usb rather then cd will NOT fix your issue [03:42] ok about the other issue [03:42] i found this: Grub was aiming to the wrong partition (swap!) and thus it couldn't boot ubuntu properly. I replace the right UUID and it works! [03:42] the issue is that your bios is "protecting" your hard drive from linux === FactTech [n=facttech@c-68-54-18-57.hsd1.sc.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:43] ya so does what he said make sense, to reaplace the right uuid (what does that mean) [03:43] you cant do that until linux is actually INSTALLed [03:43] errrr so what do i do! [03:43] Hey, everyone -- is this a good place to ask about problems with sound on Xubuntu, or is there a more specific channel? [03:44] what did that search bring up? [03:44] forums with people having the same problem [03:44] couldnt understand a lot of it [03:44] FactTech, ask away [03:44] so celt1c post me a link and i'll translate [03:44] =] [03:44] vidd Well, I'm having a strange problem with Streamtuner... when I play a stream with a bit rate below 128, the sound gets very choppy and garbled. [03:44] FactTech, you can ask or or in the channel of your sound daeomon probly #esd #oss or #alsa [03:45] vidd, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279884 [03:45] Jester45 Hello, again! I was trying to figure out which one is being used. I've seen a control panel on Edubuntu that would let you switch between ALSA/OSS/ESD, but can't seem to find the same thing on Xubuntu. === Torahteen [n=torahtee@c-67-172-140-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has joined #xubuntu [03:46] Ok, computer froze lol [03:46] I need that link again vidd, please [03:46] ? [03:47] www.vidd.us/downloads [03:47] FactTech, unless you changed somthing its alsa+esd [03:47] ? [03:47] ty [03:47] :) [03:47] FactTech, you can do ps uax | grep esd to see if its running (also tried oss and alsa) [03:47] or wait [03:47] Jester45 Nope, this should be default install. I'll check. [03:48] vidd, i will brb 5 minutes, thank you for ur time, cya soon [03:48] celt1c, are you running an amd64 processor? [03:48] FactTech, wait that doesnt work if its defualt you have alsa and esd [03:49] Jester45 OK, I believe you! :) The thing is, I'm not 100% sure that the problem is coming from ALSA... [03:49] Jester45 I'm only getting it when I play certain music streams. Ones with bit rates below 128. [03:49] Jester45 I'm kind of thinking it is whatever piece of software is translating the stream's bitrate into the audio output. Is that ALSA? [03:50] it might be somthing with how it changes to to pcm [03:52] Jester45 Is there a special channel for that type of question, or should I just check the ALSA one? [03:52] the alsa they know a lot about sound [03:52] Jester45 It's just #alsa? [03:52] yea === Torahteen [n=torahtee@c-67-172-140-84.hsd1.co.comcast.net] has left #xubuntu [] [03:53] Jester45 OK, thanks once again for your help. [03:56] vidd, im running an intel core 2 duo === illu45 [n=illusha@p-dynamic-border5-7.xDSL-1mm.sentex.ca] has joined #xubuntu [03:58] vidd, could u make sense of that link? [03:58] yeah...has NOTHING to do with your issue..... [03:59] THIS is more appropreate: [03:59] http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415009 [04:01] o ok...reading it [04:03] alright well i read the first page of posts, and im not sure what to do and theres 25 more pages lol, do u know what i should do? [04:03] read 24 more pages [04:03] lol ya right === Redimere[Mechani is now known as Redimere [04:04] i dont even know what half of it means === scrooge_74 [n=scrooge_@201.224.133.199] has joined #xubuntu [04:04] well...95% is banter.... [04:05] yes, well do u know what the problem is?! [04:05] lol [04:06] no...im only on page 2.... [04:06] now...on your live cd, do you have an option that says "Boot with Driver CD" [04:06] ok ok thank you, take ur time lol [04:06] i...dont...know [04:06] on my cd? [04:07] wel...do you even GET to the live cd menu? [04:07] ooo [04:07] yes [04:07] i think that was an option === test3r [n=tester@71-89-151-154.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:07] use that option [04:07] ok [04:07] what will that do [04:07] but leave the live cd in [04:07] Whatups [04:07] does Xubuntu have a built in firewall? [04:07] no clue...but that is what the post said worled [04:07] *worked [04:08] ok i will try that and be back here soon, thanks vidd [04:08] Redimere > yes and there are many many programs that can manipulate it - the firewall is called IP Tables [04:09] !IP Tables [04:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about ip tables - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [04:09] !ip-tables [04:09] Sorry, I don't know anything about ip-tables - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [04:10] did i tell u guys i got GRUB fixed on my mom's laptop? ;p [04:11] the MBR would work 1/2 of the time , the other 1/2 BIOS wouldnt load the HDD [04:12] also - i highly recommend setting up a spare box running linux to leave up to retrieve *news* from your ISP. (yes, news.) === celt1c [n=celtic42@209-6-163-104.c3-0.wak-ubr1.sbo-wak.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:13] hey vidd, there was no optiion like the one u described [04:13] only like boot from update drivers cd, or boot in safe graphics mode, thats it [04:13] that is what i said [04:14] what which one/ [04:14] "boot from update driver cd! [04:14] oh [04:14] wow im just gonna leave lol [04:15] whoops [04:15] we have an update CD???? I thought you just installed the full thing, or used the Applications>System>Update Manager ? [04:17] its not a cd to update your system [04:17] jester> oh, OK, I didn't *think* there was anything like that, but it's been a second since I came to chat [04:18] test3r: do you know how to tell iptables to unblock SSH? [04:18] he comes back again, im telling him to drop back to dapper [04:18] So - who's watching the Mummy special on "discovery" channel? [04:18] "unblock" secureshell? [04:19] Yes [04:19] O [04:19] I'm running opennssh-server [04:19] and I still can't connect to myself [04:19] hmmmmmmmm good question right. read about what port it uses. thats where ID start. Ive never did it yet though [04:19] 22 [04:19] also chek any router settings [04:19] done so [04:19] are u using a hardware router in front of the box???? hmmmmmmm OK. =/ [04:20] you will want to clear only your internal network for the SSH [04:20] Redimere, are you calling the machine by the INTERNAL ip address or the EXTERNAL ip address? [04:20] External [04:20] so that it blocks external attempts to ssh [04:20] no [04:20] it works from the internal [04:20] =) [04:20] bingo [04:20] OH ok [04:20] no dont do that lol. [04:20] lol [04:20] Redimere, then turn of NAT filtering on your router [04:20] =D === celt1c [n=celtic42@209-6-163-104.c3-0.wak-ubr1.sbo-wak.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #xubuntu [04:21] celt1c, then get dapper [04:21] vidd, same thing happened, same error message [04:21] what? [04:21] get the dapper cd [04:21] I dont think NAT is being filtered [04:21] 6.06 [04:21] ok, what is that, is that ubuntu [04:21] Redimere, i can tell you right now....yes it is [04:21] Feisty will give problems on old goofy hardware sometimes. [04:21] also other times you have to know how to dump yourself to TTY and hak it to boot [04:22] test3r, this is NEW goofy hardware [04:22] it can b hard [04:22] oh !! =x [04:22] it's an HP [04:22] *nuff said* [04:22] the laptop i have is an HP and has tripple boot. [04:22] it is from 2002-2003 though, back when HP was HP [04:23] and not influenced by the *junk* that is known as COMPAQ [04:23] celt1c, it is the same linux....but with an older kernel [04:23] hey celtic - have you tried dumping to tty [04:23] alright [04:23] running xserver reconfig [04:23] donno what that is [04:23] and selecting the i800 chipset? [04:23] test3r, he cant even get the live to boot [04:23] 2 days ago i knew nothing about linux [04:24] OK, well, you might b running an intel graphics board. [04:24] you should scan your busses [04:24] from terminal [04:24] well its nvidia graphics [04:24] intel processor [04:24] *shiver* [04:24] how do i do that [04:24] right now you cant [04:24] ok.. [04:24] cuzz you cant get it to load [04:24] o ok [04:24] ill just use the the dapper right [04:24] oh OK. and newer NVIDIA is supposed fine - i havent tested a new NVIDIA though. This box Right Now that im on is running a gForce2 with no fan it is only a card it is great [04:25] its older, is that bad [04:25] no...it doesnt have the recent bug [04:25] its not bad just runnn the updates once ur in [04:25] that will patch u for security [04:25] alright [04:25] test3r, if he does that he will be right back to the same issue [04:25] rly? wait - i thought if u updated dapper [04:26]