[01:54] <gerro> how do I force rmmod need to remove a wireless driver
[01:54] <gerro> ralink rt2500 just lagged up my comp to a hault
[01:55] <vidd> what did you type when you modprobe'd it?
[01:55] <vidd> gerro, ^^^
[01:55] <gerro> I went to network to configure wireless and after it configured interface everything lagged horribly
[01:55] <gerro> can barely move mouse
[01:56] <vidd> right....but did you type sudo modprobe [drivername] ?
[01:57] <gerro> I am root and doing rmmod -f rt2500
[01:57] <gerro> it says ERROR: removing `rt2500` resource temporarily unavailable
[01:57] <vidd> do modprobe -r rt2500
[01:58] <gerro> FATAL: Module rt2500 is in use.\
[01:58] <gerro> I need to edit blacklist and add rt2500
[01:59] <gerro> is there some way I can echo it into that file?
[01:59] <vidd> then ifdown [card id ie eth1] 
[01:59] <gerro> ooh that might work
[01:59] <gothenburg> Johan  johanna..
[01:59] <vidd> THEN dprobe -r rt2500
[01:59] <vidd> THEN do modprobe -r rt2500
[02:00] <gerro> ooh think its working now command line is more responsive
[02:00] <gerro> but my ethernet doesn't work either :(
[02:01] <vidd> well...of COURSE not...you killed your connection!
[02:02] <vidd> ifdown tells the system to shut down that ethernet connection
[02:02] <vidd> and ifup will turn it back opn
[02:02] <vidd> *on
[02:07] <gerro> no I mean I can't use ethernet so I was trying out wireless that is when I had the lag problem
[02:09] <vidd> why can't you use ethernet?
[02:09] <gerro> no clue its a  weird NIC
[02:09] <vidd> desktop or laptop?
[02:10] <gerro> VIA technologies, inc. vt6102 [Rhine-II]  (rev 74)
[02:10] <gerro> laptop
[02:10] <vidd> pcmcia or pci?
[02:10] <gerro> its an averatec 3200 model, the card is internal
[02:11] <vidd> hrm....
[02:11] <vidd> i have no ideas
[02:14] <gerro> what is weird is the (rev 74) part
[02:22] <gerro> vidd: I just tried to ifup eth0 and it wouldn't so I went into applications> system> network and tried to set a static ip address for ethernet and it completely froze up
[02:23] <gerro> oh and 2 led lights on laptop were blinking with funky symbols
[02:23] <gerro> I'm thinking about trying 6.06 perhaps
[02:27] <vidd> gerro, what version you using now?
[02:28] <gerro> 7.04
[02:29] <vidd> USUSALLY older versions have more problems
[02:29] <vidd> but...it cant hurt
[02:33] <gerro> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=312821&highlight=averatec+3200 its an IRQ issue I think
[02:36] <gerro> vidd: how do I do this "The irq poll issue from earlier versions *is* annoying but easy to fix. The error message that suggests disabling IRQ polling is valid; edit your grub startup script."
[02:37] <vidd> gerro, idk.....not anything i ever had to mess with
[02:38] <gerro> k
[02:39] <vidd> for those times when everything goes wrong
[02:40] <gerro> sounds interesting I might check into getting one of those
[02:40] <gerro> any advice on nice model?
[02:41] <vidd> but it does the trick
[02:42] <vidd> heck...i think even the dial-up works on it
[02:43] <celt1c> i am downloading ubunutu right now and i am a linux noob, any advice for me?
[02:43] <vidd> celt1c, ubuntu or xubuntu?
[02:44] <gothenburg> ^^
[02:44] <Jester45> my advice is to give linux some time before you decide you dont like it
[02:45] <celt1c> ubunutu i think
[02:45] <celt1c> dont remember any x in there, whats the difference?
[02:45] <Jester45> at first it might seem difficult because lots of things are diffrent
[02:45] <vidd> 95% of the apps....the desktop environment
[02:46] <Jester45> celt1c, ubuntu uses the GNOME desktop environment xubuntu uses XFCE
[02:46] <celt1c> whats better for a noob or better in general?
[02:46] <vidd> celt1c, PLEASE tell me you are using the ALT-cd and not the LIVE-cd!
[02:46] <vidd> well
[02:46] <vidd> how old is your system?
[02:47] <Jester45> is better to ask what are you system specs
[02:47] <vidd> how far above the minimum specs is it
[02:47] <celt1c> i downloaded it from here http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[02:47] <celt1c> its a brand new laptop
[02:47] <celt1c> hp pretty nice
[02:47] <Jester45> celt1c, thats ubuntu your in the xunbutu channel (just so you know )
[02:47] <vidd> celt1c, BOTH versions (live and alt) are available for download on that page
[02:48] <celt1c> crap sorry im so bad i didnt know that this was xubunutu
[02:48] <vidd> if you got the first one you saw...that is the LIVE
[02:48] <Jester45> did you download the desktop cd iso file
[02:48] <celt1c> i got 7.04
[02:48] <Jester45> celt1c, doesnt really matter to us
[02:48] <Jester45> celt1c, whats the file name
[02:48] <celt1c> 7.04 - desktop - i386 iso
[02:49] <Jester45> thats the live cd
[02:49] <celt1c> ok good
[02:49] <vidd> we only ask because the alt cd...while not as pretty to look at, has a kick-*** installer, and i have never had issues using it
[02:49] <celt1c> what exactly is the alt cd i dont get it
[02:49] <vidd> on the other hand, i have yet to NOT have some kind of issue using a live cd
[02:49] <Jester45> yep, it sets up the3 system better and is faster
[02:50] <celt1c> so should i get the other one defintly?
[02:50] <vidd> the alt cd is a text-based installer
[02:50] <Jester45> vidd, but you have had a lot of people in here that had problems on it or after the install from it
[02:50] <vidd> Jester45, from the ALT?
[02:51] <Jester45> celt1c, it doesnt matter that much if you want to try it you can get the mini iso and that downloads programs during the install
[02:51] <Jester45> vidd, no the live
[02:51] <celt1c> the download is already done, so ill stick with this one i think
[02:51] <vidd> heh...the alt and the mini just work
[02:52] <vidd> the mini is less the 9 mg
[02:52] <celt1c> 9 mb?
[02:52] <Redimere> mini takes a few hours to install though
[02:52] <vidd> yeah
[02:52] <vidd> Redimere, maybe on dial-up
[02:52] <celt1c> alright
[02:52] <Jester45> unless you got a good connection
[02:52] <celt1c> now this live cd, does it install permanetly on my computer/
[02:52] <Redimere> If you tell it to
[02:53] <celt1c> do u recommend that, is it any different
[02:53] <Redimere> vidd: No, on my Cable connection the install took three hours
[02:53] <vidd> celt1c, not until you deliberately tell it to
[02:53] <gerro> vidd: yo all I did was add Option "DisableIRQ" to xorg.conf and all problems gone lol
[02:53] <vidd> Redimere, wow...i never took that long
[02:53] <Jester45> celt1c, it will boot to the desktop then there is a link to the installer on that desktop
[02:53] <Jester45> you can try our the programs and stuff before instaling
[02:54] <vidd> gerro, cool
[02:54] <celt1c> how much space does the isntall of ubuntu take up and will i have to partition the drive?
[02:54] <celt1c> btw i only have 55 gb free on my drive
[02:54] <Jester45> ~2gm and yes
[02:54] <vidd> celt1c, ONLY????
[02:54] <Jester45> gb*
[02:55] <celt1c> ok so thats good
[02:55] <celt1c> i dont know anything about paritioning drives
[02:55] <Jester45> celt1c, you can install to part of the drive and then install a diffrent OS to the other part
[02:55] <vidd> the partitioner will walk you through it....
[02:55] <Jester45> or you can have it auto partition
[02:55] <vidd> and if you have any questions on the way...we will be happy to offer guidence
[02:56] <celt1c> i am using vista right now...i wanna keep that, ok
[02:56] <vidd> even if you ARE installing gnome instead of Xfce!
[02:56] <vidd> =] 
[02:56] <celt1c> thanks u guys, u are really helpful and friendly
[02:56] <celt1c> lol
[02:56] <Jester45> but i wouldnt do that my self, i like having separate partitions for separate parts of the OS
[02:56] <celt1c> ill use the auto paritioner
[02:57] <celt1c> the burn is almost done, im gonna disconnect and go install it
[02:57] <Jester45> wai
[02:57] <Jester45> t
[02:57] <celt1c> ok
[02:57] <Jester45> celt1c, is the vista install from the manufacturer
[02:57] <celt1c> ya i didnt do it myself
[02:58] <celt1c> it came with vista on it
[02:58] <Jester45> celt1c, do you only have the C drive as a harddrive
[02:58] <vidd> make sure you choose to "partition the free space" and not "use entire drive"
[02:58] <celt1c> yes only c
[02:58] <Jester45> vidd, i dont think there will be free space
[02:59] <Jester45> vidd, can the partitioner resize ntfs partitions
[02:59] <vidd> celt1c, if that is an hp...there is likely a recovery partition....
[02:59] <celt1c> yes!
[02:59] <celt1c> thats what that is
[02:59] <vidd> Jester45, no idea
[02:59] <celt1c> yes there is so what does that mean
[03:00] <vidd> burn your recovery disks now
[03:00] <celt1c> i already did lol
[03:00] <celt1c> so idont need that partition anymore?
[03:00] <Jester45> celt1c, you can foramat that partition so you can install (but try the use free space option first)
[03:00] <vidd> because if you mess up the recovery partion, your toast
[03:01] <Jester45> ok nevermind that
[03:01] <celt1c> so ill try the free space parition first?
[03:01] <Redimere> Hey Vidd, you up for some tinker-age?
[03:01] <Jester45> vidd i guess you know more about windows than me
[03:01] <celt1c> haha
[03:01] <vidd> Redimere, sure
[03:02] <celt1c> so i will try the free space thing, and another thing...i tried feather linux the other day and it booted it fine from the cd but neither my touchpad nor usb mouse worked so i had to stop, what do i do if this happens with ubuntu?
[03:02] <vidd> celt1c, i evicted billy so the penguin could move in on each
[03:02] <Torahteen> Hey, out of curiosity, has support for wireless gotten any better with Feisty?
[03:02] <Redimere> vidd: Bring me into that chat, I port forwarded SSH
[03:03] <Jester45> celt1c, do you have a PS/2 mouse?
[03:03] <celt1c> no
[03:03] <vidd> Torahteen, compared with?
[03:03] <Torahteen> Dapper
[03:03] <vidd> yeah...a little
[03:03] <celt1c> its usb, and my touchpad didnt work either
[03:03] <Jester45> Torahteen, yes
[03:03] <Torahteen> I did manage to get a linksys pci card working in dapper
[03:03] <celt1c> i am on a laptop, laptops dont have ps/2 right?
[03:03] <Torahteen> Anyone manage to get a USB linksys wireless going?
[03:03] <vidd> oh yuck....
[03:04] <Torahteen> lol
[03:04] <Jester45> celt1c, some do some dont
[03:04] <vidd> you most likely have a broadcom 43xx wireless card
[03:04] <Torahteen> celt1c do you know what they look like?
[03:04] <Torahteen> I'm sure I do vidd
[03:04] <vidd> with the stupid power button on it
[03:04] <celt1c> ya, im pretty sure i dont have one
[03:04] <Torahteen> Oh
[03:04] <Torahteen> No
[03:04] <Torahteen> lol
[03:04] <celt1c> i guess ill just try instaslling and seeing if the touchpad works?
[03:04] <Torahteen> No power button I'm pretty sure
[03:04] <vidd> Torahteen, yeahworked by defualt for me
[03:05] <Torahteen> Wow, really?
[03:05] <vidd> yep....those other comments were fro celt1c
[03:05] <Jester45> well everyone im afk, my freelancer rank dropped i need to get it back up
[03:05] <celt1c> wel im gonna go try to install this ill be back soon
[03:06] <Torahteen> Hmm...
[03:06] <Torahteen> Ok, I'm trying to install xubuntu on an older dell
[03:06] <Redimere> vidd: I never could get my video drivers to work. Would you mind tinkering now?
[03:06] <Redimere> vidd: I've forwarded SSH to my computer
[03:07] <vidd> Torahteen, do lsusb and pastebin the results
[03:07] <Torahteen> If I choose "Start or Install Xubuntu" or whatever that is, it goes to a blue screen with a mouse and then just sits there. I waited 10 minutes or so (the CD is being read), but nothing further
[03:07] <vidd> Redimere, go to #viddandme
[03:08] <vidd> Torahteen, get the alt or the mini iso
[03:08] <Torahteen> Where's that? :\
[03:08] <vidd> www.vidd.us/downloads
[03:08] <vidd> the mini is <9 MB
[03:09] <Torahteen> 192 MB RAM to install
[03:09] <Torahteen> :\
[03:09] <Torahteen> I only have 128
[03:09] <Torahteen> I guess that's my problem
[03:09] <vidd> yeah...get the mini
[03:09] <Torahteen> Where's the alternate?
[03:09] <Pumpernickel> Further down on the same page as the other one.
[03:09] <vidd> the alt is on my site, or halfway down the same page you got the live
[03:11] <Torahteen> I don't see the alt on the official site, so I'll use yours vidd
[03:12] <Torahteen> Got good mirrors?
[03:12] <vidd> its coming right off my server
[03:14] <celt1c> guys its celtic again, i had a problem installing, it came up with this error after i clicked install: /bin/sh: can't access tty; job contrl turned off
[03:15] <vidd> celt1c, you need to go into your bios and turn virus protection off
[03:15] <celt1c> ooo
[03:15] <celt1c> is that easy to find in bios
[03:16] <vidd> no idea
[03:17] <celt1c> there is virus proteciton in bios?
[03:17] <vidd> yes....basically...all it does it prevent anything non-M$ from writing to the MBR
[03:18] <celt1c> lol alright
[03:18] <vidd> in M$-=land...thats a good thing...
[03:18] <celt1c> be back soon
[03:30] <celt1c> vidd, i seared everywhere, no sign of virus control in the bios
[03:31] <vidd> then there is something else preventing linux from loading.....
[03:32] <celt1c> ok, how do u do that thing u just did
[03:32] <vidd> type "/me" before everything else
[03:33] <vidd> also....in that search, include "linux" and "ubuntu"
[03:33] <celt1c> ok
[03:36] <celt1c> random question, can i take the files that are on the live cd and put them on a usb drive?
[03:37] <vidd> celt1c, there is a guide somewhere about using a usb boot
[03:37] <celt1c> is it possible for ubunutu?
[03:37] <vidd> yes...its possible for ALL linux flavors
[03:38] <celt1c> ooo
[03:38] <celt1c> is it better/faster than cds?
[03:38] <vidd> it is all a matter of perspective....
[03:39] <celt1c> ok...
[03:39] <vidd> installing from a live cd will be slower then any other method because you are running the entire OS from ram
[03:40] <celt1c> the process of getting it to a usb drives seems way too complicated for me
[03:41] <vidd> =] 
[03:41] <celt1c> hahahaha
[03:42] <vidd> but running from usb rather then cd will NOT fix your issue
[03:42] <celt1c> ok about the other issue
[03:42] <celt1c> i found this: Grub was aiming to the wrong partition (swap!) and thus it couldn't boot ubuntu properly. I replace the right UUID and it works!
[03:42] <vidd> the issue is that your bios is "protecting" your hard drive from linux
[03:43] <celt1c> ya so does what he said make sense, to reaplace the right uuid (what does that mean)
[03:43] <vidd> you cant do that until linux is actually INSTALLed
[03:43] <celt1c> errrr so what do i do!
[03:43] <FactTech> Hey, everyone -- is this a good place to ask about problems with sound on Xubuntu, or is there a more specific channel?
[03:44] <vidd> what did that search bring up?
[03:44] <celt1c> forums with people having the same problem
[03:44] <celt1c> couldnt understand a lot of it
[03:44] <vidd> FactTech, ask away
[03:44] <vidd> so celt1c post me a link and i'll translate
[03:44] <vidd> =] 
[03:44] <FactTech> vidd Well, I'm having a strange problem with Streamtuner... when I play a stream with a bit rate below 128, the sound gets very choppy and garbled.
[03:44] <Jester45> FactTech, you can ask or or in the channel of your sound daeomon probly #esd #oss or #alsa
[03:45] <celt1c> vidd, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=279884
[03:45] <FactTech> Jester45 Hello, again! I was trying to figure out which one is being used. I've seen a control panel on Edubuntu that would let you switch between ALSA/OSS/ESD, but can't seem to find the same thing on Xubuntu.
[03:46] <Torahteen> Ok, computer froze lol
[03:46] <Torahteen> I need that link again vidd, please
[03:46] <Torahteen> ?
[03:47] <vidd> www.vidd.us/downloads
[03:47] <Jester45> FactTech, unless you changed somthing its alsa+esd
[03:47] <vidd> ?
[03:47] <Torahteen> ty
[03:47] <Torahteen> :)
[03:47] <Jester45> FactTech, you can do ps uax | grep esd to see if its running (also tried oss and alsa)
[03:47] <Jester45> or wait
[03:47] <FactTech> Jester45 Nope, this should be default install. I'll check.
[03:48] <celt1c> vidd, i will brb 5 minutes, thank you for ur time, cya soon
[03:48] <vidd> celt1c, are you running an amd64 processor?
[03:48] <Jester45> FactTech, wait that doesnt work if its defualt you have alsa and esd
[03:49] <FactTech> Jester45 OK, I believe you! :) The thing is, I'm not 100% sure that the problem is coming from ALSA...
[03:49] <FactTech> Jester45 I'm only getting it when I play certain music streams. Ones with bit rates below 128.
[03:49] <FactTech> Jester45 I'm kind of thinking it is whatever piece of software is translating the stream's bitrate into the audio output. Is that ALSA?
[03:50] <Jester45> it might be somthing with how it changes to to pcm
[03:52] <FactTech> Jester45 Is there a special channel for that type of question, or should I just check the ALSA one?
[03:52] <Jester45> the alsa they know a lot about sound
[03:52] <FactTech> Jester45 It's just #alsa?
[03:52] <Jester45> yea
[03:53] <FactTech> Jester45 OK, thanks once again for your help.
[03:56] <celt1c> vidd, im running an intel core 2 duo
[03:58] <celt1c> vidd, could u make sense of that link?
[03:58] <vidd> yeah...has NOTHING to do with your issue.....
[03:59] <vidd> THIS is more appropreate:
[03:59] <vidd> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=415009
[04:01] <celt1c> o ok...reading it
[04:03] <celt1c> alright well i read the first page of posts, and im not sure what to do and theres 25 more pages lol, do u know what i should do?
[04:03] <Jester45> read 24 more pages
[04:03] <celt1c> lol ya right
[04:04] <celt1c> i dont even know what half of it means
[04:04] <vidd> well...95% is banter....
[04:05] <celt1c> yes, well do u know what the problem is?!
[04:05] <celt1c> lol
[04:06] <vidd> no...im only on page 2....
[04:06] <vidd> now...on your live cd, do you have an option that says "Boot with Driver CD"
[04:06] <celt1c> ok ok thank you, take ur time lol
[04:06] <celt1c> i...dont...know
[04:06] <celt1c> on my cd?
[04:07] <vidd> wel...do you even GET to the live cd menu?
[04:07] <celt1c> ooo
[04:07] <celt1c> yes
[04:07] <celt1c> i think that was an option
[04:07] <vidd> use that option
[04:07] <celt1c> ok
[04:07] <celt1c> what will that do
[04:07] <vidd> but leave the live cd in
[04:07] <test3r> Whatups
[04:07] <Redimere> does Xubuntu have a built in firewall?
[04:07] <vidd> no clue...but that is what the post said worled
[04:07] <vidd> *worked
[04:08] <celt1c> ok i will try that and be back here soon, thanks vidd
[04:08] <test3r> Redimere > yes and there are many many programs that can manipulate it - the firewall is called IP Tables
[04:09] <test3r> !IP Tables
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ip tables - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:09] <test3r> !ip-tables
[04:09] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about ip-tables - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:10] <test3r> did i tell u guys i got GRUB fixed on my mom's laptop?   ;p
[04:11] <test3r> the MBR would work 1/2 of the time , the other 1/2 BIOS wouldnt load the HDD
[04:12] <test3r> also - i highly recommend setting up a spare box running linux to leave up to retrieve *news*  from your ISP. (yes, news.)
[04:13] <celt1c> hey vidd, there was no optiion like the one u described
[04:13] <celt1c> only like boot from update drivers cd, or boot in safe graphics mode, thats it
[04:13] <vidd> that is what i said
[04:14] <celt1c> what which one/
[04:14] <vidd> "boot  from update driver cd!
[04:14] <celt1c> oh
[04:14] <celt1c> wow im just gonna leave lol
[04:15] <Redimere> whoops
[04:15] <test3r> we have an update CD???? I thought you just installed the full thing, or used the Applications>System>Update Manager ?
[04:17] <Jester45> its not a cd to update your system
[04:17] <test3r> jester> oh, OK, I didn't *think* there was anything like that, but it's been a second since I came to chat
[04:18] <Redimere> test3r: do you know how to tell iptables to unblock SSH?
[04:18] <vidd> he comes back again, im telling him to drop back to dapper
[04:18] <test3r> So - who's watching the Mummy special on "discovery" channel?
[04:18] <test3r> "unblock" secureshell?
[04:19] <Redimere> Yes
[04:19] <Redimere> O
[04:19] <Redimere> I'm running opennssh-server
[04:19] <Redimere> and I still can't connect to myself
[04:19] <test3r> hmmmmmmmm good question right. read about what port it uses. thats where ID start. Ive never did it yet though
[04:19] <Redimere> 22
[04:19] <test3r> also chek any router settings
[04:19] <Redimere> done so
[04:19] <test3r> are u using a hardware router in front of the box????  hmmmmmmm  OK.   =/
[04:20] <test3r> you will want to clear only your internal network for the SSH
[04:20] <vidd> Redimere, are you calling the machine by the INTERNAL ip address or the EXTERNAL ip address?
[04:20] <Redimere> External
[04:20] <test3r> so that it blocks external attempts to ssh
[04:20] <test3r> no
[04:20] <Redimere> it works from the internal
[04:20] <test3r> =)
[04:20] <test3r> bingo
[04:20] <test3r> OH ok
[04:20] <test3r> no dont do that lol.
[04:20] <Redimere> lol
[04:20] <vidd> Redimere, then turn of NAT filtering on your router
[04:20] <test3r> =D
[04:21] <vidd> celt1c, then get dapper
[04:21] <celt1c> vidd, same thing happened, same error message
[04:21] <celt1c> what?
[04:21] <vidd> get the dapper cd
[04:21] <Redimere> I dont think NAT is being filtered
[04:21] <vidd> 6.06
[04:21] <celt1c> ok, what is that, is that ubuntu
[04:21] <vidd> Redimere, i can tell you right now....yes it is
[04:21] <test3r> Feisty will give problems on old goofy hardware sometimes.
[04:21] <test3r> also other times you have to know how to dump yourself to TTY and hak it to boot
[04:22] <vidd> test3r, this is NEW goofy hardware
[04:22] <test3r> it can b hard
[04:22] <test3r> oh  !!   =x
[04:22] <vidd> it's an HP
[04:22] <vidd> *nuff said*
[04:22] <test3r> the laptop i have is an HP and has tripple boot.
[04:22] <test3r> it is from 2002-2003 though, back when HP was HP
[04:23] <test3r> and not influenced by the *junk* that is known as COMPAQ
[04:23] <vidd> celt1c, it is the same linux....but with an older kernel
[04:23] <test3r> hey celtic - have you tried dumping to tty
[04:23] <celt1c> alright
[04:23] <test3r> running xserver reconfig
[04:23] <celt1c> donno what that is
[04:23] <test3r> and selecting the i800 chipset?
[04:23] <vidd> test3r, he cant even get the live to boot
[04:23] <celt1c> 2 days ago i knew nothing about linux
[04:24] <test3r> OK, well, you might b running an intel graphics board.
[04:24] <test3r> you should scan your busses
[04:24] <test3r> from terminal
[04:24] <celt1c> well its nvidia graphics
[04:24] <celt1c> intel processor
[04:24] <vidd> *shiver*
[04:24] <celt1c> how do i do that
[04:24] <vidd> right now you cant
[04:24] <celt1c> ok..
[04:24] <vidd> cuzz you cant get it to load
[04:24] <celt1c> o ok
[04:24] <celt1c> ill just use the the dapper right
[04:24] <test3r> oh OK.  and newer NVIDIA is supposed fine - i havent tested a new NVIDIA though. This box Right Now that im on is running a gForce2 with no fan it is only a card it is great
[04:25] <celt1c> its older, is that bad
[04:25] <vidd> no...it doesnt have the recent bug
[04:25] <test3r> its not bad just runnn the updates once ur in
[04:25] <test3r> that will patch u for security
[04:25] <celt1c> alright
[04:25] <vidd> test3r, if he does that he will be right back to the same issue
[04:25] <test3r> rly? wait - i thought if u updated dapper
[04:26] <test3r> or edgy
[04:26] <celt1c> o
[04:26] <test3r> it "stayed" in that time frame
[04:26] <vidd> my bad....
[04:26] <test3r> only updated the nessecary patches????????  NONON you might b right Vidd
[04:26] <vidd> you said "update" not "upgradw"
[04:26] <test3r> check on that celtic neither of us know 4 sure it looks
[04:26] <test3r> yes yes use the GUI util to do it
[04:26] <celt1c> lol
[04:27] <celt1c> i have no idea what these updates will look like, i have never used linux, will it be easy to tell
[04:27] <vidd> run the updates...do NOT upgrade past edgy
[04:27] <Jester45> hi cellofellow
[04:27] <test3r> celtic>  it is in Applications>System>Updates Manger
[04:27] <cellofellow> hi
[04:27] <test3r> manager
[04:28] <vidd> test3r, dont tell ppl to use that....its broke in dapper
[04:28] <celt1c> alright thanks guys, im a third of a way donw with the dapper download
[04:28] <celt1c> broke?
[04:28] <test3r> oh ur Kidding? I forgot!~    =((((
[04:28] <vidd> yeah....all it does is toast the system
[04:28] <test3r> ur right we never used it back when For A Reason- but we didnt need to. edgy came out
[04:28] <cellofellow> hi Jester45
[04:28] <vidd> use CLI
[04:29] <test3r> well then
[04:29] <test3r> celtic - u could *try* edgy
[04:29] <celt1c> what? what is edgy?
[04:29] <test3r> ?  It WOULD b better.
[04:29] <test3r> 6.1
[04:29] <vidd> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:29] <celt1c> er im confsued, i should stop this download and download dapper 6.1?
[04:29] <vidd> test3r, you cant GET edgy from the site anymore
[04:29] <test3r> im probably wrong with my name - now "edgy" is probably the NEW edgy
[04:30] <test3r> yeah i figured    =D
[04:30] <vidd> celt1c, no...your good
[04:30] <test3r> dang, thats a shame. i should serv it on a mirror - clear it with the main site.
[04:30] <celt1c> o ok, what do i do about updates
[04:30] <vidd> get the system up first
[04:30] <cellofellow> then just use apt-get
[04:31] <celt1c> alright half way doen with the download
[04:31] <vidd> celt1c, live or alt?
[04:31] <celt1c> i think its live...how do i tell
[04:32] <cellofellow> it will say if it's alt
[04:32] <vidd> did you READ before you clicked?
[04:32] <test3r> caltic : if you have no need for any other OS on the system besides linux , you should try the Alt install it has higher success ratings in cases when it is messing up I hear
[04:32] <test3r> LoL, vidd.  ;p
[04:33] <vidd> i spent 10 minutes before telling him that the alt is better to use then the live
[04:33] <celt1c> no i need to keep vista
[04:33] <celt1c> i got it form here
[04:33] <celt1c> http://releases.ubuntu.com/6.06/
[04:33] <cellofellow> alt will still install a dual-boot nicely
[04:34] <cellofellow> b4 Dapper, all we has was Alt. There was no Live option.
[04:34] <vidd> and which of the 4 versions did you choose?
[04:34] <cellofellow> not that I started using Ubuntu b4 then. I started about a week after Dapper was released.
[04:34] <celt1c> PC (Intel x86) desktop CD
[04:34] <vidd> yeah....we told you about that b4
[04:34] <vidd> well...im done helping
[04:35] <Jester45> bed time vidd ?
[04:35] <cellofellow> Desktop PC is the Live.
[04:35] <celt1c> sry i didnt understand that u wanted me to get the alt
[04:35] <vidd> no...i want to help someone that will listen
[04:35] <celt1c> all i remember is u telling me the differences and that was abiout the newer version
[04:35] <Jester45> hehe
[04:35] <celt1c> dude, im just a noob lol but if u dont wanna help thats fine
[04:36] <cellofellow> actually in some cases, I've found the Live one installs faster. It doesn't have to extract each package one by one, it just extracts a huge image and is done with it.
[04:36] <test3r> cello > thats about the first time i ran linux.  ubuntu6.06, then i found Xubuntu & instant <3
[04:36] <Jester45> celt1c, the alt is better, more stable, faster, easier to use, and more advance
[04:36] <celt1c> ok ill get the alt
[04:36] <test3r> u guys tho
[04:36] <test3r> he's gana hit the spot to format the disk
[04:36] <celt1c> when u told me to get the dapper one, i didnt know about the alt, so i just downloaded the one i saw
[04:36] <test3r> and b like...   wt-
[04:37] <vidd> test3r, i can help with that
[04:37] <test3r> celtic - with the alt, you really have to understand how linux calls partitions on disks
[04:37] <celt1c> oh, well i dont
[04:37] <vidd> i have neber used a live cd so im lost there
[04:37] <test3r> yes, we can. as long as he can type us what it says on screen
[04:37] <Jester45> cellofellow, really? idk how live could be faster. it does the same operations but paste a gui over it
[04:37] <cellofellow> no, actually
[04:37] <cellofellow> it's a bit different under the hood. Alt uses the Debian installer, which is dpkg based.
[04:38] <vidd> celt1c, are you talking to us on the comp your installing on?
[04:38] <cellofellow> ubiquity installs using an image or something like that.
[04:38] <celt1c> yes i am vidd
[04:38] <vidd> OH! no WONDER it fails all the time
[04:38] <Jester45> really? why does it say extracting packge blah then installing package blah
[04:38] <test3r> lmfao.  celtic > can u access another computer to this room?
[04:39] <vidd> celt1c, any way you can talk to us on another pc while you install?
[04:39] <celt1c> tomorrow i could stay on a different computer while talking to u and install on the oone im on now
[04:39] <test3r> and have the installing box near you, too?
[04:39] <celt1c> its too late where i am, my fanmily is asleep
[04:39] <celt1c> but tomorrow ill have access to a different computer where i can do that
[04:39] <vidd> celt1c, since you are going to use the alt, please do that
[04:39] <celt1c> im 18 btw, going to college next year
[04:39] <celt1c> alright so i wont try installing, ill just burn it to a disc then go to sleep
[04:41] <celt1c> installing box?
[04:41] <test3r> well then we can help you get it to dual boot, im sure. it's not hard I found many guides but only one mentioned about how, after installing Linux, you should boot back into Windows normally with no CD in the drive, and let windows think it's fixing itself at the blue screen with the file system
[04:41] <celt1c> what do u mean installing box
[04:41] <test3r> once windows (fdisk) is happy with the disk, then boot into linux and etc etc
[04:41] <vidd> box==computer
[04:41] <celt1c> shit i really cant mess up my windows install
[04:41] <celt1c> will it be okay?
[04:42] <vidd> celt1c, it will be fine
[04:42] <test3r> then jus remember - let windows fix itself
[04:42] <celt1c> all my files will be saved right
[04:42] <test3r> in the middle of the whole process
[04:42] <celt1c> i wont have to reinstall windwos?
[04:42] <vidd> yes
[04:42] <celt1c> alright, i jsut u guys u know a lo
[04:42] <celt1c> t
[04:42] <Jester45> lol unless its removing itsself windows will never be fixed
[04:42] <vidd> haha
[04:42] <celt1c> lmao'
[04:42] <test3r> heh, winXP is getting worse & worse  =9
[04:43] <Jester45> bettter than vista
[04:43] <test3r> i have goofy error with 2 programs as of lately
[04:43] <test3r> the error wasnt there, before, and came with some new patch im afraid
[04:43] <celt1c> alright well im gonna go and ill see u all tomorrow
[04:43] <test3r> =)   ez, celtic
[04:43] <vidd> ....page 16 of my tech handbook......"rebooting the machine will fix 95% of the issues in windows...installing linux will fix 100%
[04:44] <BFTD> heh
[04:56] <test3r> oh shnap, the mummy show is crazy
[04:56] <test3r> watch it when it's on in your area
[04:57] <test3r> they even messed up! sorta.
[04:57] <Jester45> or get it online
[04:57] <test3r> that too
[05:06] <Jester45> cellofellow, are you here
[05:07] <test3r> Redimere > earlier I mentioned dont SSH externally or enable that thing because I have been into security things lately with my laptop, and SSH is a thing you dont want enabled for external connection
[05:07] <Redimere> test3r: was only gonna leave it on for an hour or so so Vidd could fix my video drivers
[05:07] <Jester45> unless you want to connect from somthing other than your house
[05:08] <test3r> oooooh   =)  yeah it can probably b used for that, too.
[05:09] <test3r> jester > enabling that though is a security risk because anyone running *nix that can see your computer can get it
[05:09] <test3r> *get in
[05:09] <Redimere> yar
[05:09] <Redimere> they need a login though
[05:09] <test3r> right
[05:10] <Jester45> test3r, what about putty? doesnt that open you up to windows... and im sure mac has one also
[05:10] <Jester45> you could just user/pass guess your way in
[05:10] <test3r> yes but typically, the users of windows dont know what SSH even *is*
[05:11] <Jester45> :)
[05:11] <test3r> they are less likely to be trying some exploit thing, in whole
[05:11] <Jester45> they dont even know much about what windows is
[05:11] <Redimere> yar
[05:11] <test3r> hahahahahaha, yes, thats often even more true. and Dont Care!
[05:11] <Redimere> Mhmm
[05:11] <test3r> they expect U to fix it
[05:12] <Jester45> like my bro... he was using msword making a resume and it has a text box that said YOUR NAME HERE and he couldnt figure out how to enter his name
[05:13] <Jester45> called me downstairs i looked a double clicked it... all done
[05:13] <Redimere> lol
[05:13] <Jester45> stupid little things like that that if you just guessed a bit should of figured out
[05:13] <Redimere> I had my english teacher call me at 11 o'clock at night because she didn't know where the any key was
[05:13] <Redimere> quite literraly
[05:13] <test3r> wow, that's pretty bad. my mom is leet mom mom then LOL
[05:14] <test3r> ive taught her alot she always helps her co-workers.
[05:14] <test3r> one time my buddy called me couldnt get win to come bak up and had just did hardware things
[05:15] <test3r> i told him to take the card out
[05:15] <Jester45> or like when i had a terminal window on as above all others and brother keept double clicking my movie because he thought it wasent opening (speakers where off) i can home to a computer just about to die because it was playing like 30 movies
[05:15] <test3r> put it bak in
[05:15] <test3r> and it worked.
[05:15] <test3r> thats not as an easy of level, but still a blunder.
[05:16] <Redimere> Jester45: lol
[05:16] <test3r> "it's almost like [he]  knew what he was doing!"
[05:16] <Jester45> i kinda did the same thing
[05:17] <Jester45> i held the enter button down on a music file fora few minutes
[05:17] <Jester45> but i just let it play them all
[05:17] <test3r>  wow i blundered the quote too. I mean - it's like he set out to break the 'puter- hahahaha dang thats alot of copies of a movie
[05:17] <Jester45> fun watching the ram drop down as a few hundred mplayer probly exited
[05:18] <test3r> jester, do u know Flash at all? in there you can make a krafted button and each time u click it it plays sound once , OK? So if you click it a bunch real fast, it layers it and u get a bunch of them playing
[05:18] <Jester45> yea...
[05:19] <test3r> or like twice can give u a wikkid echo
[05:19] <test3r> i just made an easter egg btn in this game im making last night
[05:19] <Jester45> did you know if you make a shell script that runs something then runs itself it make a loop that can fill all your pids up really fast :)
[05:20] <test3r> up yeah thats a thing u avoid witih programming hahahahahahah
[05:20] <Jester45> :)
[05:20] <test3r> an infinate loop. thats like
[05:20] <Jester45> i filled mine up
[05:20] <test3r> make a sh that divides by zero
[05:20] <Jester45> i wanted to know what happened
[05:21] <Jester45> all i did was in the script was echp "blah" sh script.sh
[05:22] <test3r> then at bash just superDO sh script.sh?
[05:22] <test3r> thats just a scrit passing itself the same paramater tho
[05:23] <test3r> Programming is hard. & there is alot that can go wrong. Many times it's best left to the pros.
[05:25] <test3r> like - what would you do if you had to edit the wrapper that keeps us from sending some horrid thing direct to the CPU sorta deal ? (now that im thinking about it- I think I mean the kernel, here, in linux)
[05:25] <test3r> there is no safety net to keep it from totally breaking
[05:26] <test3r> jester, there is a more weird way to do your program
[05:26] <Jester45> no
[05:26] <test3r> yes  =D   you could have it send $1
[05:26] <Jester45> that script has a pid that started a new script with a new pid
[05:27] <Jester45> and never gave up its first one
[05:27] <Jester45> so all my pids got taken up
[05:27] <Jester45> after a long time
[05:28] <Jester45> the idea came from wikipedia's articile about zombies
[05:28] <test3r> I was quite confused
[05:28] <test3r> zombie processes
[05:28] <test3r> yeah
[05:28] <Jester45> and it said that the only real worrie is that the processes would take all your pids
[05:28] <test3r> youd have to run kill #
[05:28] <Jester45> so i set out to do such a thing
[05:28] <Jester45> the script wasnt zobied
[05:29] <test3r> er no with a true zombie process tho u cant run kill on it can u
[05:29] <Jester45> it jsut never quit because the script it spawned never quit
[05:29] <Jester45> no
[05:30] <test3r> so , OK, can you add another line to that script so that it kills the old copy?
[05:31] <test3r> you should b able to. but how to ref the # is what i dont know the key to
[05:31] <Jester45> exit 0 as the last line
[05:31] <Jester45> it will quit but the child proccess keeps going
[05:31] <test3r> oh right! lol tell itself to just shut itself down, mmm.
[05:31] <Jester45> but it keeps from fill it up
[05:32] <Jester45> i learned that for my xfdesktop --reload sleep 6000 script.sh
[05:32] <Jester45> so it changed my desktop
[05:32] <Jester45> o and exit 0
[05:33] <Torahteen> Ok, I'm installing xubuntu from the alternate CD
[05:33] <Torahteen> And while installing the base system, I'm getting a ton of error messages saying that XXX was corrupt
[05:33] <test3r> jester > you had me till the last little but but i'll save
[05:34] <Torahteen> I downloaded the ISO from vidd's site
[05:35] <test3r> I've gotten that too on some systems. Sometimes the CD drive needed replacing. Other times I just ran it again, and it worked the second time
[05:35] <test3r> it seems to be the drive though
[05:35] <test3r> kus i take that disk, and it md5s fine on a win box
[05:35] <Jester45> Torahteen, what speed did you write the disc and have you checked the cd from the bootup menu
[05:36] <test3r> yes let the disk check itself
[05:36] <Torahteen> No, I didn't check the CD
[05:36] <Torahteen> I'll try again
[05:40] <test3r> mummy show says that if you put Honey on a physical wound, it kills bacteria & would work like "micetracin" (sp!)
[05:40] <test3r> that's nuts.
[05:41] <Torahteen> lol
[05:41] <Torahteen> Hmm... that doesn't seem right though
[05:41] <Torahteen> Maybe mixing some lemon juice in, hehe
[05:42] <Jester45> acid would work also
[05:42] <Jester45> but dont use a strong one
[05:42] <Jester45> it would hurt
[05:42] <Jester45> or... heat :)
[05:42] <test3r> isnt water supposidly slightly acidic?
[05:43] <test3r> like - it's Not baseline? I think I remember something about that.
[05:43] <Jester45> yes slightly
[05:43] <test3r> milk is very quite close to baseline
[05:43] <Jester45> acid rain is more acidic
[05:45] <Torahteen> Hmm.. the check verified
[05:45] <Torahteen> My CD is corrupt -_-
[05:46] <Torahteen> I'm downloading again, I'll make sure I do a full erase of the disk
[05:46] <test3r> Torahteen: poopy! So- check the ISO you burned from, then, too, before trying and making many coaster
[05:46] <Torahteen> Then tomorrow I'll try again
[05:46] <Torahteen> How do I check it?
[05:46] <test3r> nononono just check the md5 f the ISO file
[05:46] <test3r> with a crc checking program
[05:46] <Torahteen> This time I'm downloading from the official site
[05:47] <Jester45> cellofellow, you there? i need your help
[05:47] <cellofellow> Jester45: yes
[05:47] <test3r> you might not need to. it might just *be* a misburn
[05:47] <Jester45> can you help me setup a drupal for myself
[05:48] <cellofellow> sure
[05:48] <cellofellow> it's pretty easy
[05:48] <Jester45> Torahteen, no need vidd's had been md5ed and many people has used it before you
[05:48] <cellofellow> if you know MySQL
[05:48] <Jester45> cellofellow, wanna come to viddandme?
[05:48] <test3r> sql and mysql are So close. i dont recall the diff anymore though
[05:48] <cellofellow> ok
[05:49] <test3r> jester > he needs to verify the md5 of the iso that made it to his machine, though
[05:49] <test3r> to know if we're burning from a corrupt transfer or not
[05:49] <Jester45> test3r, he is downloading from the offical server and i said no need
[05:50] <test3r> vidds? webpage? is the official server?
[05:50] <Jester45> way use their bandwidth when vidd has extra
[05:50] <Jester45> no
[05:50] <Jester45> he said that hes going to
[05:50] <test3r> oh right Exactly i agree
[05:51] <test3r> i think there is prob small chance he actually needs to get the file again
 This time I'm downloading from the official site
[05:54] <test3r> Hey - has anyone thought of having the option of getting a PAR2 for your disk of *buntu distro ?
[05:54] <test3r> then that way, if your disk is corrupt in a few spots - it will repair it hopefully
[05:54] <test3r> goes Much quicker DLing 20MB rather than another full disk
[05:55] <Jester45> PAR2?
[05:55] <test3r> yes, there is a type of file known as par2
[05:55] <test3r> there is a par, also
[05:55] <test3r> but par2 is what We want
[05:56] <Jester45> i just have seprate partitions
[05:56] <test3r> =)   nonono, the file exension of a file name.
[05:56] <Jester45> whats it do
[05:57] <test3r> a PAR2 file checks the integrity of another file, and if it is bad, it can use these aditional, linked, PAR2 files that come along with the "main" one to repair the target MAIN orig plain in question
[05:57] <Jester45> test3r, why not just use raid? its faster
[05:58] <test3r> I'm talking about something that is sent with transfers
[05:58] <test3r> internet files
[05:58] <cellofellow> I have one disk with three partitions, /., /home, and swap
[05:58] <test3r> downloading?
[05:58] <test3r> besides some people can only afford one harddrive
[06:00] <test3r> you wouldnt use PAR2 to make files to repair a hard disk
[06:00] <test3r> youd make PAR2 to make files to repair a CD disk
[06:00] <test3r> im sorry thats what confused you and it's the way that I said it
[06:01] <Jester45> ok.... raid is better :) still sticking with that
[06:01] <test3r> well you're talking Night & Day
[06:01] <test3r> one is a hardware -based copy system
[06:01] <cellofellow> can you have separate /home partition with RAID? I like my separate home.
[06:01] <test3r> and the other is something people have made to fix things auto
[06:02] <test3r> software
[06:02] <maxamillion> cellofellow: yes
[06:02] <Redimere> maxamillion: Hey, what's up man
[06:02] <cellofellow> ok, cool
[06:02] <test3r> yes it is a copy
[06:02] <test3r> raid is just mirror
[06:02] <maxamillion> cellofellow: raid allows separate partitions just as a single hard drive does
[06:02] <maxamillion> Redimere: not much, yourself?
[06:02] <Redimere> maxamillion: Nothin', just fighting the good fight with my video drivers
[06:02] <cellofellow> I've heard of lots of kinds of raid. hardware, software, 1, 2.0, etc.
[06:03] <cellofellow> what's the diff?
[06:03] <maxamillion> Redimere: ahhh yes, ati card?
[06:03] <Redimere> maxamillion: Yessir
[06:03] <maxamillion> cellofellow: check out wikipedia ... good explanations and diagrams there
[06:03] <maxamillion> cellofellow: it can explain better than i could try ;)
[06:04] <cellofellow> Redimere: I have no ATI cards, but I had the nuttiest fight with the s3virge driver. I tried with several nearly but not exactly identical cards, and they all had this stupid problem.
[06:04] <cellofellow> the same one.
[06:05] <Redimere> cellofellow: Did you ever get it to work?
[06:05] <cellofellow> nope
[06:05] <maxamillion> negative
[06:05] <cellofellow> and they weren't my cards anyway.
[06:05] <maxamillion> well ... here
[06:05] <maxamillion> not _ther_
[06:05] <maxamillion> there*
[06:05] <Redimere> I'll never get transparencies to run
[06:05] <cellofellow> I think it was something to do with 10+ year-old cards.
[06:06] <cellofellow> and driver designed for newer ones.
[06:06] <Redimere> cellofellow: Mine's less than a year old
[06:06] <cellofellow> I should have read the options in man s3virge.
[06:06] <cellofellow> yeah, ok
[06:06] <cellofellow> sounds like that would have a problem, esp. with ATI.
[06:07] <Redimere> well it says it's active in the restricted driver thing
[06:07] <Redimere> well, I've got it working under the restricted drivers
[06:07] <Redimere> but fglrx-info still says Vesa or mesa
[06:10] <Jester45> cellofellow, some pretty good ati cards are supported by OSS
[06:10] <Jester45> cellofellow, my ati radeon 9250's are
[06:11] <test3r> I  *still* didn't explain it totally right, though - You can use PAR2 to make a group of files that will repair a corrupted disk image (for instance, *buntu disk image that you downloaded)
[06:11] <maxamillion> Jester45: why would you need a box of graphics cards?
[06:11] <Jester45> test3r, one acronym RAID :)
[06:11] <cellofellow> if one is PCI ship it to me. I want dualhead.
[06:11] <Jester45> maxamillion, because they where free
[06:12] <test3r> lmfao! You cant use RAID to fix a bad download!
[06:12] <test3r> its still bad
[06:12] <test3r> even on YOUR backup\
[06:12] <test3r> dont u see?
[06:12] <Jester45> test3r, one acronym RAID :)
[06:12] <test3r> kus raid is hardware
[06:12] <test3r> ...
[06:12] <maxamillion> Jester45: not a bad reason
[06:12] <Jester45> maxamillion, thanks
[06:12] <maxamillion> test3r: raid can be software
[06:12] <Jester45> i got 3 tri head working
[06:13] <maxamillion> test3r: and why not use rsync to fix downloads?
[06:13] <Jester45> but wased to usefull
[06:13] <cellofellow> tri head wasn't useful?
[06:13] <Jester45> test3r, RAID :)
[06:13] <test3r> if you get your images on a windows-based machine because that is where your recorder is
[06:13] <test3r> then you dont ahve "rsync"
[06:13] <cellofellow> If I had tri-head, I'd set it up so that one was always open to a tty and the others were X.
[06:13] <maxamillion> test3r: why would you have a windows based machine?
[06:14] <Jester45> cellofellow, nope... games ran slow when i got over 4200x1250 res
[06:14] <test3r> I have to run 3dstudio max
[06:14] <test3r> and flash
[06:14] <test3r> and cubase
[06:14] <test3r> ..
[06:14] <cellofellow> oh, yeah. There's a way of turning off one of the monitors when you want to play a game.
[06:14] <Jester45> but then its not tri...
[06:15] <Jester45> and its easier to use 3 computers 1 for games 1 doing devel stuff and 1 on irc
[06:15] <maxamillion> Jester45: you can't devel and irc on 1 box?
[06:16] <Redimere> maxamillion: Any thoughts on my drivers?
[06:16] <Jester45> maxamillion, nope :)
[06:16] <cellofellow> try with one two-screen desktop and another 1 screen desktop on one box.
[06:16] <Jester45> maxamillion, i use one to do the typing and stuff and the irc one to browse and things like that
[06:16] <maxamillion> Redimere: no clue, never touched an ati card with a linux install
[06:17] <Redimere> Has anybody here?
[06:17] <maxamillion> Jester45: ahhh, rgr
[06:17] <Redimere> that's succeed in getting it to work?
[06:17] <Jester45> cellofellow, if you send me a lcd screen that gets 1600x1250 res so i can get quad head i will send you a card :)
[06:17] <Jester45> Redimere, what card
[06:17] <cellofellow> ummm
[06:17] <Redimere> ATI X800
[06:17] <Jester45> cellofellow, fair trade :)
[06:17] <cellofellow> I could just take the bus to the nearest computer store and buy a card n'know.
[06:18] <cellofellow> I dunno about that.  A free card vs. a huge LCD?
[06:18] <Jester45> well... i hate when the screens are one desktop but diffrent sizes
[06:18] <maxamillion> Redimere: that would be crazy
[06:18] <maxamillion> Redimere: too small screen for such high res
[06:19] <Redimere> maxamillion: It's still nice
[06:19] <cellofellow> Jester45: me too.
[06:19] <Jester45> cellofellow, did i mention that the cards have tv out (no linux support)
[06:19] <cellofellow> so why have such a big screen?
[06:19] <cellofellow> that's cool
[06:19] <maxamillion> i wish i could bring one home :/
[06:19] <Redimere> magick!
[06:20] <Jester45> cellofellow, why not?
[06:20] <cellofellow> I see
[06:20] <Jester45> cellofellow, if i could get a 4th... i could make it a square and not a long rectangle
[06:20] <Redimere> maxamillion: What do you do and are they hiring
[06:20] <cellofellow> how big is the screen physically? 20" 22"
[06:20] <Jester45> cellofellow, 21
[06:21] <Jester45> hehe so close
[06:21] <maxamillion> Redimere: i work as a systems admin for the university i attend
[06:21] <test3r> max & jester > OK i read on wikipedia about software RAID, and Jester, I don't see anything about being able to create cross-computer compatable, compressed, recovery files that can fix a download "magically" like PAR2 does.
[06:21] <Redimere> maxamillion: are they hiring, and do they do overtime
[06:21] <cellofellow> what about two widescreen's on the sides of a box, and two normal screens on the end, and you in the middle?
[06:21] <test3r> I do know that RAID copies things from one spot into another spot so that if the first spot goes bad it falls to the Backup copy
[06:21] <Jester45> test3r, RAID... its wonderfull
[06:21] <test3r> that is RAID
[06:21] <test3r> but that is not what I am talking about
[06:22] <maxamillion> Redimere: no and no ... and its just a part time position, i also TA for one of my profs for extra money
[06:22] <Jester45> you can have 1 drive copy data from a 2nd drive to make an instant backup
[06:22] <Redimere> maxamillion: damn
[06:22] <test3r> ok so are you going to do that over the internet?
[06:22] <Jester45> test3r, and replace the first with the backup at anytime
[06:22] <test3r> into my drive?
[06:22] <test3r> I wouldnt Let you   =9
[06:22] <test3r> lol !
[06:23] <test3r> but ill dl a handful of tiny "fix" files
[06:23] <test3r> and have them scan the disk image you sent me
[06:23] <test3r> that went wrong
[06:23] <Jester45> you dont have to let me :) i will make you (if i was a cracker)
[06:23] <test3r> so that it will fix itself magically.   see?
[06:23] <Jester45> test3r, or... use rysnc
[06:23] <test3r> no rsync the burner is on windowxz
[06:24] <test3r> that doesnt even make sense Jester
[06:24] <maxamillion> Jester45: i said rsync too ;)
[06:24] <test3r> if you used raid on my drive thru the internet
[06:25] <test3r> id have Your hardware style settings
[06:25] <Jester45> test3r, DONT USE WINDOWS
[06:25] <test3r> nothing would boot at all
[06:25] <test3r> jester > im not in windows right now.  but i have to have a box that has it.
[06:25] <test3r> it is not an option.
[06:25] <Jester45> test3r, how long you gonna rant on about par files
[06:25] <test3r> until you understand what im saying
[06:25] <Jester45> test3r, use raid :)
[06:25] <test3r> NoooooooOOOooo   rofl
[06:25] <test3r> ok i give up
[06:27] <test3r> flamin hot munchies mix stuff with dorritos cheetos pretcalz chips is BOMB
[06:41] <Redimere> test3r: D'you know ATI Drivers?
[06:41] <test3r> yes I got an ATI 128memory version running on 6.1
[06:42] <Redimere> I'm running an X800, and fglrx still doesn't recognize it as such
[06:42] <Redimere> any words of wisdom?
[06:42] <test3r> it just installed with no intervention by me. I instantly could grep | glxinfo or the whatnot
[06:42] <test3r> do u know what driver it Should use?
[06:42] <test3r> try to reconfigure xserver-xorg and force it TO that driver. it might just be "ati"
[06:43] <test3r> try that the default one
[06:43] <Redimere> well I've got it up and running restricted-manager
[06:43] <test3r> oh wait what is fglrx???? thats some program?
[06:44] <Redimere> fglrxinfo
[06:45] <cellofellow> it's the binary drivers
[06:45] <test3r> try glxinfo | grep rendering
[06:45] <test3r> what does that tell you ?  "Yes" ?
[06:47] <test3r> or try the cube
[06:47] <test3r> if those r going then its above My head
[06:48] <Redimere> that tells me "no"
[06:48] <test3r> ok    =\   sry
[06:48] <Redimere> you don't know how to fix it?
[06:49] <test3r> ive never used the program "flgrxinfo" so I don't know about it, no. sorry.
[06:49] <test3r> the card does work tho, huh?
[06:50] <test3r> in linux?
[06:51] <Redimere> Yeah
[06:51] <Redimere> just poorly
[06:52] <test3r> how much built in RAM does an ATI X800  have on it?
[06:52] <Jester45> 256?
[06:52] <cellofellow> about as bad as nv on an nvidia card, or worse than that? With nv everything works, except the acceleraration.
[06:53] <test3r> cellofellow > oh - ur kidding? So you mean the nv-legacy is better off if you can get Quake3 up and running fast?
[06:54] <cellofellow> I was just trying to get perspective.
[06:54] <cellofellow> I use nvidia-glx-legacy on my TNT2 and I'm good.
[06:54] <test3r> oic . its PCI-E i bet thats why
[06:54] <cellofellow> LiveCD uses nv and it works great.
[06:54] <cellofellow> They call it PCI-X.
[06:54] <cellofellow> for eXpress.
[06:54] <test3r> redimere is your card goofy new connection
[06:54] <test3r> ah HA
[06:54] <test3r> yes
[06:54] <Redimere> test3r: No, AGP
[06:54] <test3r> that is whats going on.
[06:55] <test3r> ah! crud.
[06:55] <test3r> =/
[06:55] <test3r> redimere have you / can you try a dif card in that same slot?
[06:55] <test3r> and get it to run it?
[06:56] <Redimere> test3r: Nope.. the card runs
[06:56] <Redimere> test3r: just poorly
[06:58] <test3r> did you try what someone said yet about running "man [ati driver name or somehting] "
[06:58] <Redimere> I didn't see it
[06:58] <test3r> and seeing maybe you have to turn thing off in the .conf
[06:58] <Redimere> I was in tty for a few minutes though
[06:59] <cellofellow> you have to turn off compositing in xorg.conf if I'm not mistaken.
[06:59] <test3r> /etc/x11/xorg.conf  whats in that
[06:59] <maxamillion> -.-;
[06:59] <test3r> yes you have to know the options to play with in that
[06:59] <test3r> it will go
[06:59] <Redimere> I turned that off
[06:59] <Redimere> I remember
[06:59] <cellofellow> Section "Extensions"
[06:59] <cellofellow>         Option  "Composite" "Disable"
[06:59] <cellofellow> EndSection
[07:02] <Redimere> Section "Extensions"
[07:02] <Redimere> 	Option		"Composite"	"0"
[07:02] <Redimere> EndSection
[07:02] <cellofellow> xfwm4 + compositing (on modern video card) rocks.
[07:02] <cellofellow> Have it say "Disable"
[07:02] <maxamillion> cellofellow: that it does
[07:03] <cellofellow> on my card it slows everything waaay down.
[07:03] <cellofellow> It works, but it's slow.
[07:04] <maxamillion> :(
[07:04] <cellofellow> for one, I think that that video card offloads a lot to the CPU. My CPU usage shoots waay up with the transparency.
[07:04] <maxamillion> i actually just use it because i like the windows to go 50% transparent when i resize or move them
[07:04] <cellofellow> that's nice
[07:05] <maxamillion> cellofellow: actually so does mine, i think it has something to do with mesa actually
[07:05] <cellofellow> you can leave other transparency off and still use alt+scrollwheel to manually change transparency.
[07:05] <cellofellow> MESA?
[07:06] <maxamillion> just a moment
[07:06] <maxamillion> lemme get a link, its a part of X11 that has to do with Xgl
[07:06] <Redimere> okay
[07:07] <cellofellow> at least I think it's 7.1
[07:07] <cellofellow> !info xserver-xorg
[07:07] <ubotu> xserver-xorg: the X.Org X server. In component main, is optional. Version 1:7.2-0ubuntu11 (feisty), package size 440 kB, installed size 1320 kB
[07:07] <cellofellow> 7.2
[07:07] <maxamillion> cellofellow: http://mesa3d.sourceforge.net/
[07:07] <maxamillion> i'm pretty sure that's the site
[07:08] <maxamillion> yeah, that's the site
[07:08] <test3r> feisty runs on my laptop!  =) it's so cool I don't have fancy stuff enabled though it was hard enough to get it up with the intel graphics chip
[07:08] <cellofellow> maxamillion: oh, so mesa == Linux OpenGL.
[07:08] <test3r> and it runs gl stuff anyway
[07:09] <cellofellow> hard to set up Intel graphics?
[07:09] <Redimere> that's a lie
[07:09] <maxamillion> cellofellow: more or less
[07:09] <test3r> yeah kus i have to dump to tty and reconfigure xserver just to boot the livecd
[07:09] <cellofellow> I thought those were always the number 1 supported graphics, with the OSS drivers.
[07:09] <Redimere> I tried to run opengl on counterstrike
[07:09] <Redimere> it tried to eat me
[07:09] <test3r> it fails out everytime
[07:09] <maxamillion> cellofellow: intel graphics are built into the kernel now
[07:09] <test3r> ive seen it do it with other intell based sets too
[07:09] <test3r> it faisl
[07:10] <cellofellow> so the Xorg modules are just kernel driver frontends?
[07:10] <test3r> fails, and i reconfigure then xserver will start
[07:10] <cellofellow> my dads laptop with Intel chip works perfectly with LiveCD. 'cep the widescreen graphics get stretched. Even the Intel wifi works.
[07:10] <test3r> i force a i*00  driver
[07:11] <test3r> based on the intel set
[07:11] <jonathan_> still installing xubuntu, it takes a looooonnnggggg timeee!!!
[07:11] <maxamillion> cellofellow: well, intel writes drivers for their graphics cards and open sources them ... and i think linus put them in the kernel
[07:11] <jonathan_> only 3000 byte/s
[07:11] <test3r> built in wifi i take it? no this laptop is from 2002 it has a slightly just older chipset
[07:11] <test3r> i have an external wifi card
[07:12] <test3r> but it can do things that are insane  =)
[07:12] <cellofellow> maxamillion: yes, but I thought that graphics drivers aren't kernel drivers, but X.Org drivers. Or do they need a kernel thing too?
[07:12] <test3r> yes if the kernel didnt have it
[07:12] <maxamillion> cellofellow: uhmmm.... i'm pretty sure they need a kernel module as well
[07:12] <test3r> it wouldnt work when i reconfigured xserver from prompt
[07:12] <maxamillion> cellofellow: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
[07:13] <maxamillion> cellofellow: same way that if you build the nvidia drivers from source you have to have the kernel headers
[07:13] <test3r> or if you build a new kernel from edgy source off the main server
[07:13] <cellofellow> nvidia drivers are binary, so why is there source? Is there a shared-source license with them?
[07:13] <test3r> u should include the drivers for your hardware
[07:14] <cellofellow> you only have to compile for custom kernels anyway.
[07:14] <maxamillion> cellofellow: if you download the drivers from their site, it runs a build script that compiles them on your machine
[07:14] <test3r> its in that
[07:14] <test3r> thats not the issue
[07:14] <test3r> so that means its xserver has problem with the older intel correctly identifying themselfs for whatever reason
[07:14] <cellofellow> that's not the only "closed source" driver I've ever seen that's distributed as source. kqemu (before it was GPL'd) was like that.
[07:15] <maxamillion> test3r: try the i810 drivers ... those worked for me on an older intel motherboard
[07:15] <test3r> yes they do
[07:15] <test3r> i force them from the LiveCD when it fails to boot
[07:15] <test3r> but why do we have to force them? isnt that a goof?
[07:16] <Jester45> anyone know how to make a picture go from green to orange
[07:16] <test3r> i wonder why xserver doesnt just pick to use the correct i*00 driver when it starts
[07:17] <cellofellow> Jester45: invert it. green is opposite of orange.
[07:17] <Jester45> how
[07:17] <cellofellow> imagemagick should do it.
[07:18] <test3r> isnt green the opposite of red?
[07:19] <test3r> its close tho. itll b a shade close to what he wants.
[07:19] <Jester45> no
[07:19] <Jester45> red is a primary color
[07:21] <test3r> here this says its free in the txt : http://www.ficml.org/jemimap/style/color/wheel.html
[07:21] <cellofellow> dark green is opposite orange, anyway.
[07:21] <cellofellow> not all green becomes orange.
[07:22] <cellofellow> dark bluish green will become a light yellowish orange.
[07:22] <cellofellow> Jester45: actually, just adjust the hue.
[07:22] <cellofellow> use gimp
[07:22] <Jester45> doing that
[07:23] <test3r> this is the one that is taught to art students : http://www.colormatters.com/colortheory.html
[08:18] <eagle-101> !ask
[08:18] <ubotu> Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[08:42] <phonohead> i got this very irritating problem with thunar; it's crashing all the time
[10:51] <BrendanM> hey, does anyone here use pyNeighborhood for browsing SMB shares?
[02:20] <Ade_SC> hi
[03:21] <homebrewcider> hi, how can I change the computer name so I can tell the 2 computers on my network apart? I've foolishly named them the same
[03:25] <homebrewcider> also the "MAC address" and the "HWaddr" is that another way of saying the same thing?
[03:36] <totalwormage> homebrewcider: are you using samba?
[03:37] <homebrewcider> 2 linux boxes
[03:37] <totalwormage> :] 
[03:38] <totalwormage> then i don't know how :O
[03:38] <homebrewcider> ok
[04:38] <celt1c> his this is celtic, does anyone here remember me and my problem from yesterday
[04:39] <gerro> heya everyone
[04:40] <gerro> was wondering if somebody mind helping a newbie pick out some old memory chips :)
[04:49] <Torahteen> Hello
[04:50] <Torahteen> So I'm about done installing xubuntu. For now my laptop is hardwired to the network
[04:50] <Torahteen> But won't be able to stay like that for long lol
[04:50] <Torahteen> Anyone here been able to install a linksys USB wireless module?
[05:03] <damike> hi
[05:03] <Torahteen> Hi
[05:03] <Torahteen> Anyone here been able to install a linksys USB wireless module?
[05:03] <damike> i installed xubuntu on a ibm thinkpad x61. is there a 3d driver for then intel 950?
[05:05] <damike> sorry i mean Intel GMA X3100
[05:06] <celt1c> could someone walk me through the partitioning part of the install for ubuntu, i am totally lost on partitions
[05:07] <celt1c> please?
[05:08] <gerro> Torahteen: sure which one?
[05:09] <gerro> celtlc: create an ext3 mount it in / and make another partition about 300mb for swap then after it starts to install and whines about unable to create file system restart the cd and try it again this time marking the file systems as format and make sure they right type
[05:09] <gerro> celtlc: that problem you have is related to the kernel not redetecting file systems of mounted devices
[05:10] <celt1c> ha...sorry i am a linux noob i donno what that means
[05:10] <gerro> celtlc: click the install link on desktop and you will understand when time comes ;)
[05:11] <celt1c> i am literally on my other laptop right next to me in the middle of the installation, i got to the parition palce and i donno what to do
[05:11] <gerro> do manual
[05:11] <celt1c> ok
[05:11] <gerro> delete what partitions are there
[05:11] <celt1c> no no
[05:12] <celt1c> i need to keep vista
[05:12] <celt1c> i wanna dual boot
[05:12] <gerro> then google some random guide and hope it works
[05:12] <celt1c> its not i hav ebeen for the last hour
[05:12] <gerro> if you want to use vista might want to try virtualbox
[05:12] <celt1c> all the guides online are too vague
[05:12] <gerro> yeah lot of grub information should probably read up on
[05:13] <celt1c> u cant tell me right now what to do? im in th einstall righ tnow on the computer
[05:13] <gerro> I find its easiest just to use virtualbox on linux for other systems
[05:13] <celt1c> but i have windows now, will that work
[05:13] <gerro> celtlc: do you have any space on the hard drive (not empty windows space)
[05:14] <celt1c> no just empty windows space
[05:14] <celt1c> just one drive with 55 gb free
[05:14] <gerro> cceltlc: you might need to resize the ntfs partition but most those apps hard to find
[05:14] <celt1c> i cant do what i need to do in the install partitioner?
[05:14] <gerro> nah
[05:14] <celt1c> whatttt
[05:14] <celt1c> errrr
[05:14] <gerro> most use partition magic or some app to resize the ntfs partition
[05:14] <celt1c> this is annoying i feel like giving up, i dont even need linux i just watned to try it
[05:15] <gerro> lol
[05:15] <gerro> celtlc: you have your cd key on the comp somewhere most likely and a backup cd of vista right?
[05:15] <celt1c> ya i do
[05:15] <gerro> celtlc: just do a full xubuntu install and try running vista from a virtual box session trust me it runs great
[05:16] <gerro> celtlc: if anything goes wrong you can reinstall vista
[05:16] <celt1c> no i dont wnana do that
[05:16] <celt1c> linux is just a side thing for me
[05:16] <celt1c> i really need to keep windows
[05:16] <celt1c> 2 days ago i knew nothing about linux
[05:16] <gerro> wine runs most windows things
[05:16] <celt1c> i will try partition magic
[05:17] <celt1c> is there a way to run it just off the cd without installing?
[05:17] <gerro> celtlc: just don't expect much after you get it installed if you've never seen windows after it has first been installed (not preinstalled)
[05:17] <celt1c> o no i have installed windows a lot
[05:17] <celt1c> i build windows machines
[05:17] <gerro> celtlc: yes xubuntu install cd is a live cd unless you downloaded alternate
[05:18] <celt1c> what are the advantages of alternate?
[05:18] <gerro> its mainly for computer with low memory that can't run the live cd, or if you want special file systems or raid setups
[05:18] <celt1c> o ok thats not me
[05:18] <celt1c> do u know what this error means /bin/sh: cant access tty; job control turned off
[05:19] <gerro> what did you input to get that error?
[05:19] <celt1c> i was jus trying to install ubuntu
[05:19] <celt1c> so then i was told to try ubuntu 6.06
[05:20] <gerro> yeah ubuntu 6.06 doesn't have all those latest tweaks and such as 7.04 does
[05:20] <celt1c> ya
[05:20] <gerro> that doesn't look like a serious error
[05:20] <celt1c> that happened when i was trying to install
[05:20] <celt1c> and nothing worked after that
[05:21] <gerro> what processor you using?
[05:21] <celt1c> intel core 2 duo
[05:21] <gerro> well it works on 6.06 right?
[05:21] <celt1c> well i dont get that error, but then i am lost on the partitioning part of it, so i am thinking now of just using a live cd, im not sure \
[05:22] <gerro> is your monitor connected by a usb plugin?
[05:22] <celt1c> im on a laptop
[05:22] <gerro> ah ok
[05:22] <celt1c> so i guess ill try the livecd
[05:22] <celt1c> what about a usb drive, is that possible?
[05:22] <gerro> okay
[05:23] <gerro> yeah it is
[05:23] <celt1c> i tried googling it, and it looks hard
[05:23] <gerro> basically just copy over the same files from livecd and edit a few scripts to use different bootloader
[05:23] <gerro> google "ubuntu installation"  will see the guide
[05:23] <celt1c> ya i dont think i could do that
[05:23] <celt1c> well i did, i dont udnerstand them
[05:23] <gerro> I never really got that method to work
[05:24] <celt1c> alright ill stick with the cd
[05:24] <gerro> best bet if you can't install from cd is plug hard drive up to a computer that can or use instlux
[05:25] <celt1c> well im downloading the live cd now, and i will try working from that, i have a question tho
[05:26] <gerro> sure what?
[05:26] <gerro> oh and if cd has any burning problems with what your using might want to try isorecorder nice win app to use for creating bootable cds
[05:27] <Torahteen> Gerro, it's the Linksys Wireless-G USB Network Adapter with SpeedBooster
[05:27] <gerro> Torahteen: lol I just got that working great last week
[05:27] <Torahteen> :D
[05:27] <Torahteen> Any instructions somewhere?
[05:27] <gerro> Torahteen: you need some .sys files from a belkin driver and latest .inf from linksys driver
[05:27] <gerro> Torahteen: then create a custom udev rule to give it more power when plugged into usb
[05:27] <Torahteen> Where can I get those? :\
[05:28] <Torahteen> Umm... online instructions?
[05:28] <gerro> Torahteen: hang on was butchering my comp might be able to grab them off hard drive
[05:28] <Torahteen> Sorry, I'm still new with linux in a way
[05:28] <gerro> Torahteen: yeah there an article in forum
[05:29] <Torahteen> That's all I really need lol
[05:29] <gerro> Torahteen: go to ndiswrapper site and download latest version
[05:30] <gerro> will need to do make uninstall, make, make install. it has dependencies of build-essential and linux headers so need to apt-get thsoe
[05:30] <gerro> or synaptic w/e you use
[05:30] <Torahteen> Ok, lemme finish installing xubuntu
[05:30] <Torahteen> It's almost done
[05:31] <Torahteen> Then I'll come to this channel and ask again :P
[05:36] <gerro> Torahteen: /join #gerro got a few forum bookmarks I used for it
[05:42] <Torahteen> How big is the swapfile partition created by Xubuntu?
[05:44] <Jester45> Torahteen, depends but normaly its around 300-500mb
[05:45] <Jester45> hihi
[05:45] <cellofellow> heyhey
[05:45] <Torahteen> Ok
[05:46] <Torahteen> I was just making sure it wasn't making a 2GB swap file on my 6.5GB HD XD
[05:46] <cellofellow> usually you need about 2x swap as memory.
[05:46] <cellofellow> esp. if you have a shared memory video card.
[05:46] <Jester45> unless you have a bunch of memory
[05:46] <cellofellow> yeah, true
[05:47] <cellofellow> then your swap gets huge and unused.
[05:47] <Torahteen> Hehe
[05:47] <Torahteen> I have 128mb on this compute
[05:47] <Torahteen> So...
[05:47] <cellofellow> My swap is too big. on the other hand, before it was too a big, it was too small.
[05:47] <Jester45> hihi
[05:47] <Torahteen> Does it automatically make a 256mb swap?
[05:47] <cellofellow> I don't know.
[05:48] <cellofellow> you mean the installer
[05:48] <cellofellow> ?
[05:48] <Torahteen> Yeah
[05:48] <Jester45> i turned my swapiness off
[05:49] <Jester45> right now its using 4mb of 300
[05:49] <cellofellow> I need to make my computer use it more.
[05:50] <cellofellow> 60% RAM used, 1% swap used.
[05:51] <Jester45> 25%/1%
[05:51] <cellofellow> jester has bigger ram than cellofellow
[05:54] <Jester45> wait... the TheSheep logged off.... the end is near
[05:54] <cellofellow> panic!
[05:56] <Torahteen> 4GB?!
[05:56] <Torahteen> Wow...
[05:57] <cellofellow> megaram
[05:57] <Jester45> not really
[05:57] <Jester45> some file servers have 64gb
[05:57] <cellofellow> for a desktop, that is megaram.
[05:57] <Jester45> and im sure someone has a desktop with that much
[05:57] <maxamillion> Jester45: file servers
[05:58] <Jester45> maxamillion, its my own term i guess. they just have a lot of harddrives
[05:58] <Torahteen> I don't see why you'd ever need a desktop with that much
[05:58] <Torahteen> Not to mention the fact that you'd never have room for it :\
[05:59] <Torahteen> 1GB is enough for met ATM
[05:59] <Torahteen> :P
[05:59] <cellofellow> unless it's a mega-size workstation.
[05:59] <cellofellow> I only ever wish I had more ram when I foolishly run Firefox, OOo with Java, and The GIMP all at once.
[06:01] <Jester45> i dont see why you wouldnt want that much
[06:02] <Torahteen> Currently, you wouldn't need 64mb on a typical desktop
[06:02] <Torahteen> 4GB, sure, that'd be awesome
[06:03] <Jester45> idk azureus can suck up alot
[06:03] <maxamillion> apparently windows is so horrible it even crashes inside virtualbox
[06:03] <cellofellow> that's why I use deluge jester.
[06:03] <cellofellow> yeah, I've had that.
[06:03] <maxamillion> deluge torrent dominates
[06:04] <Jester45> thats not advance enough for me
[06:04] <maxamillion> though i don't torrent much ... my internet is too slow
[06:04] <cellofellow> all I ever want to do is download. Azureus makes it too complicated.
[06:04] <maxamillion> agreed
[06:04] <cellofellow> If I wanted to set up a tracker and a seed, I'd put them on my server with CLI tools.
[06:05] <Jester45> ya... but it makes your downloads faster and more efficient
[06:05] <cellofellow> rtorrent for example.
[06:05] <Jester45> azurues can be cli
[06:05] <cellofellow> it makes the downloads faster, yet it's slower.
[06:05] <cellofellow> doesn't work for me.
[06:06] <Jester45> o well deluge doesnt work for me
[06:07] <Jester45> now utorrent
[06:07] <cellofellow> I like deluge cause its interface is like uttorent.
[06:07] <Jester45> thats a great client but its not worth running windows or wine
[06:07] <cellofellow> still my favorite.
[06:07] <cellofellow> but, I don't have it anywhere.
[06:10] <Jester45> i think its going downhill after the version they put a web ui on it
[06:11] <Jester45> that version was good but all others after are getting worse
[06:11] <cellofellow> haven't used it lately
[06:17] <Torahtee1> Anyone have links to the .sys and .inf files for the Linksys Wireless-G Network USB Adapter with Speed Boost?
[06:18] <cellofellow> for ndiswrapper?
[06:18] <cellofellow> sorry, I am not a wifi expert.
[06:19] <Torahtee1> Yeah, for ndiswrapper
[06:24] <darrend> Torahtee1: you should be able to d/l it from the www.linksys.com somewhere
[06:24] <Torahtee1> I'm looking in the CD that came with it
[06:25] <Torahtee1> I have a .inf file, but no .sys :\
[06:26] <darrend> is there no .exe file (in a 'drivers' directory or similar perhaps) ?
[06:27] <Torahtee1> There's two .cat files
[06:28] <Torahtee1> And two inf files
[06:28] <Torahtee1> Each is for a different version
[06:28] <Torahtee1> I have version 2, so...
[06:28] <darrend> exactly which model number do you have?
[06:28] <Torahtee1> WUSB54GS
[06:28] <Torahtee1> There's a WUSB54GSv2.inf file and .cat file
[06:28] <Torahtee1> I'm downloading the driver from linksys
[06:28] <Torahtee1> But it's an EXE... can I use unzip?
[06:29] <darrend> yes, should be able to
[06:29] <darrend> are you getting the non-vista driver?
[06:30] <gerro> Torahtee1: use unzip or wine and don't use the gsv2 use gsc driver specific one for your device
[06:30] <Torahtee1> Oh...
[06:31] <Torahtee1> I downloaded the v2
[06:31] <Torahtee1> It told me to find the version number
[06:31] <Torahtee1> Which I did
[06:31] <Torahtee1> ver2.1
[06:31] <gerro> yeah that forum bit old lol
[06:31] <gerro> yours has a version number on it!?
[06:31] <gerro> then its wusb54gs not speed boosted one?
[06:32] <Torahtee1> It's GS, and speed boosted
[06:32] <gerro> yeah so is mine but it has a c after it
[06:33] <gerro> hmm guess yours is one of the earlier models
[06:33] <Torahtee1> Probably
[06:33] <Torahtee1> Umm... I still don't see any .sys files
[06:33] <Torahtee1> It's the same .cat and .inf
[06:33] <gerro> yeah you have to use those .sys from the belkin driver
[06:33] <gerro> guy in that forum post I mentioned has them
[06:34] <gerro> posted a link on there
[06:34] <Torahtee1> Where?
[06:34] <Torahtee1> I probably missed the link
[06:34] <gerro> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=225206
[06:34] <gerro> did you add the custom power rule? or are you using dapper 6.06
[06:35] <Torahtee1> ServiceBinary   = %12%\usb8023k.sys
[06:35] <Torahtee1> I'm on feisty
[06:35] <Torahtee1> I haven't even connected it yet
[06:35] <Torahtee1> Wanna get it set up
[06:43] <ppp0> hello everyone!
[06:44] <ppp0> i just turned on my pc to find out tht i cant connect to the net! i tried turning it off and on pon/poff dsl-provider
[06:44] <ppp0> it gives me /usr/bin/poff: no pppd is running none stopped
[06:44] <ppp0> whts up with tht!
[06:45] <ppp0> can any1 help out!
[07:02] <damike> does anybody know when there comes a new xorg intel driver?
[07:03] <Torahtee1> Plug in your device. The Power light will come on, and, after at most 3 seconds, the Link light will blink slowly. If the Link light does blink slowly, sucess!
[07:03] <Torahtee1> Link light is solid :(
[07:04] <cellofellow> damike: if one comes out soon, it'll probably not be in Ubuntu till Gutsy.
[07:04] <damike> cellofellow, :( when is the release date of gusty?
[07:05] <Torahtee1> Ah, wait a sec...
[07:05] <cellofellow> damike: late October I think.
[07:05] <damike> cellofellow, oh - thats finde. then i use vesa till oct
[07:06] <damike> but sound and brightness adjustment don't work on m thinkpad :(
[07:07] <cellofellow> damike: you may be able to get new ones from...
[07:07] <cellofellow> just a sec let me get the link
[07:10] <cellofellow> damike: http://intellinuxgraphics.org/
[07:10] <damike> cellofellow, yes - i found that page - but they say its better to use the distribution packages
[07:11] <cellofellow> of course, but if you're desperate, you can get this working.
[07:11] <cellofellow> SId may have new packages you can use.
[07:12] <damike> well i wait until oct ;) but i need TFT brighness and sound volume to get work :(
[07:13] <Jester45> sound wouldnt do anything with video driver
[07:14] <damike> well - but it doesnt work :)
[07:15] <cellofellow> Jester45: it might.
[07:15] <cellofellow> especially with all-intel sound and video
[07:16] <damike> then i heva to reinstall vista :S
[07:16] <Torahtee1> Anyone have that link again?
[07:16] <Torahtee1> To the WUSB54G tutorial?
[07:17] <BFTD> Torahtee1 just install prism
[07:18] <Torahtee1> prism?
[07:18] <Torahtee1> Oh, btw, should I be trying to disconnect my hardwired network cable?
[07:20] <Torahtee1> BFTD, what is prism?
[07:21] <wbadger> Torahtee1, I believe it's KDE4's interface for sound
[07:21] <BFTD> !linux-wan-ng
[07:21] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about linux-wan-ng - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[07:21] <BFTD> !info linux-wan-ng
[07:22] <ubotu> Package linux-wan-ng does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[07:22] <BFTD> !info linux-wlan-ng
[07:22] <ubotu> linux-wlan-ng: utilities for wireless prism2 cards. In component main, is extra. Version 0.2.6+svn20061108-2ubuntu1 (feisty), package size 119 kB, installed size 556 kB
[07:22] <BFTD> Torahtee1 install linux-wlan-ng
[07:23] <BFTD> Torahtee1 then restart the comp, it should be working
[07:28] <damike> lol if i start gxine xserver crahes - wtf
[07:28] <cellofellow> use MPlayer
[07:28] <cellofellow> lol
[07:28] <cellofellow> I never touch gxine.
[07:29] <damike> but i think its funny - they call linux the next generation desktop os - and nothing works ^^
[07:30] <BFTD> Hrm
[07:30] <BFTD> nothing works for you
[07:30] <BFTD> I've never really hada problem
[07:30] <damike> well - if i get a new notebook and nothing works - what have i done wrong? ;)
[07:31] <BFTD> plus, a problem like that should be taken up with the developer of gxine and not linux in general
[07:31] <damike> well - but xine shouldnt be able to crash xserver
[07:31] <cellofellow> no
[07:31] <BFTD> get a notebook from Dell? Everything on the dells with Ubuntu on them come with drives for the hardware its on
[07:32] <cellofellow> I find that X server crashes when using wrong drivers. NV would crash my system, and then nvidia didn;t.
[07:32] <BFTD> I heard it took like 2 hour to write drivers for all that stuff
[07:33] <cellofellow> 2 hours to write nvidia-glx?
[07:33] <damike> cool - sound also doesnt work :D
[07:34] <BFTD> cellofellow no
[07:34] <BFTD> for all the Ubuntu drivers for the Dells
[07:34] <cellofellow> oh, hehe
[07:34] <BFTD> damike what are your system specs
[07:34] <cellofellow> mostly Intel stuff actually.
[07:34] <damike> BFTD, ibm thinkpad x61s
[07:35] <cellofellow> IBM ThinkPad is brand new? They sold to Lenova a long time ago.
[07:35] <damike> ...
[07:39] <Drew3b> Error --> "W: Duplicate sources.list"  HI people, How do I remove duplicates?
[07:40] <BFTD> damike http://www.linux-on-laptops.com/hosted/lenovo-ibm-x61s.html
[07:40] <BFTD> Drew3b edit the source.list
[07:40] <cellofellow> Drew3b: open it in text editor, and remove duplicates
[07:40] <cellofellow> simple
[07:41] <Drew3b> next question where is the source list?
[07:41] <cellofellow> /etc/apt
[07:41] <Drew3b> TY
[07:42] <damike> BFTD, well i switch to XP till october and hope it works with gusty
[07:43] <BFTD> damike aparentlly it says that just about eveyrtihng works out of the box, something tells me you're either in an older version or, that isn't the laptop you said it was.
[07:44] <BFTD> what does uname -a say?
[07:44] <damike> BFTD, have you read the right column too?
[07:44] <damike> 2.6.20-15
[07:44] <SrRaven> Ehm hello guys,I got a petit probleme.I got a knittering sound when listening to anything on Xubuntu 7.04
[07:44] <BFTD> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[07:45] <SrRaven> that to me?
[07:45] <damike> BFTD, i did before - didn't help
[07:45] <SrRaven> k appearantly not :o
[07:45] <damike> is the current gusty usable?
[07:45] <BFTD> damike so sound isn't working? what else?
[07:45] <BFTD> not really
[07:46] <celt1c> hi i need help, i am trying to run ubuntu from a live cd and after i hit run ubuntu from the menu it went through a lot of scans and stuff now i am greeted with a menu asking me to run a run a command as administrator or use the sudo command, and i dont know what to do, i jjust want to boot linux up
[07:46] <BFTD> its only tribe 2
[07:46] <cellofellow> SrRaven: no idea, but what sound card?
[07:46] <BFTD> they usually have like 6
[07:46] <cellofellow> celt1c: it started without X. Linux is running, just no GUI.
[07:46] <SrRaven> VIA AC'97 Enhanced Audio Controller
[07:47] <damike> BFTD, the buttons for brightness and audio, suspend, and 3D support for X3100
[07:47] <celt1c> ok, so what do i do?
[07:47] <cellofellow> celt1c: first, what video card?
[07:47] <celt1c> its a laptop
[07:47] <celt1c> nvidia graphics tho
[07:47] <BFTD> damike obviously you didn't ream that link I gave you
[07:47] <cellofellow> celt1c: huh. I'd run `sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[07:47] <damike> BFTD, well - i don't want to play the whole day with current version of alsa ;)
[07:47] <cellofellow> we'll walk you through it.
[07:48] <celt1c> so i type that in? ok
[07:48] <BFTD> celt1c make sure you have alsa install properly, I have the same sound and it works fine
[07:48] <BFTD> oops
[07:48] <celt1c> why isnt it just working
[07:48] <BFTD> SrRaven
[07:48] <cellofellow> laptops can be weird.
[07:48] <celt1c> ok
[07:48] <SrRaven> yes?
[07:48] <celt1c> so ill type that in when the menu comes up
[07:48] <BFTD> celt1c that always happened to my nVidia cards
[07:48] <celt1c> ah ok
[07:48] <cellofellow> it's usually 90-95% of them work out of the box, but other don;t.
[07:48] <celt1c> will i have to type that everytime?
[07:48] <BFTD> SrRaven is alsa installed properly
[07:49] <cellofellow> on the livecd yes, but not an install
[07:49] <SrRaven> bftd no idea
[07:49] <celt1c> ook
[07:49] <SrRaven> Im a windows switcher
[07:49] <SrRaven> just installed xubuntu
[07:49] <celt1c> i need advice on partitioning a drive during the install of ubuntu
[07:49] <celt1c> i have no idea what to do, but i want to dual boot, windows and linux
[07:49] <cellofellow> keeping windows or not?
[07:49] <damike> BFTD, is gusty unstable?
[07:50] <celt1c> i get to the parition menu in the install and am lost
[07:50] <SrRaven> I am keeping windows
[07:50] <BFTD> damike for the moment yes, usually it doesn't become stable until tribe 4 or 5
[07:50] <cellofellow> celt1c: you need one sort-of large Windows partition, and at least two, better three, Linux partitions.
[07:50] <celt1c> i donno how to do that
[07:50] <damike> BFTD, ok
[07:50] <cellofellow> celt1c: be sure to defragment windows first.
[07:50] <celt1c> right now i have one drive with 55 gb free onit
[07:50] <celt1c> ok then what do i do
[07:51] <celt1c> bah
[07:51] <celt1c> ive been looking help for days on this topic
[07:51] <cellofellow> I'd just follow the defaults with the installer, with the Resize Current Partition or whatever option.
[07:51] <celt1c> i donno what any of that means
[07:52] <cellofellow> sorry
[07:52] <maxamillion> !dualboot | celt1c
[07:52] <ubotu> celt1c: Dual boot instructions:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBootHowTo (x86/AMD64) - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/YabootConfigurationForMacintoshPowerPCsDualBoot (Macintosh)
[07:52] <maxamillion> celt1c: that first link has _alot_ of good information on the topic
[07:52] <cellofellow> a partition is a piece of a hard drive that you can effectively use as separate hard drive.
[07:52] <cellofellow> yeah for ubotu.
[07:52] <celt1c> ok ill take a look, thanks
[07:54] <celt1c> is anyone good at using the vista partitioning tool?
[07:55] <cellofellow> never touched it with a 10 foot pole
[07:55] <cellofellow> GParted and cfdisk are my cup of root beer.
[07:55] <celt1c> what are those
[07:55] <cellofellow> *nix partitioning tools
[07:56] <celt1c> are those helpful to me
[07:56] <cellofellow> Should be.
[07:56] <celt1c> alright well that me ask u this
[07:56] <cellofellow> GParted will resize NTFS (WIndows NT) partitions.
[07:56] <cellofellow> And create Linux partitons of all types.
[07:56] <celt1c> i want an easy to use safe and popular version of linux that is friendly to noobs like me
[07:57] <cellofellow> yeah
[07:57] <celt1c> and if it saves the hassle, they could be on a live cd or usb drive
[07:57] <cellofellow> yeah
[07:57] <celt1c> are there any good distros u know about that can go on a usb drive?
[07:57] <cellofellow> only lightweights like DSL and Puppy and Feather.
[07:57] <celt1c> wlel what to remcommend for me
[07:57] <Der-Tim> hello... :-)
[07:57] <cellofellow> And I think Knoppix and MEPIS can do that.
[07:58] <celt1c> what do u recomend to me
[07:58] <cellofellow> celt1c: if you want super-easy, Ubuntu-based, LiveCD distro, I'd try MEPIS.
[07:58] <celt1c> ok ill look at it
[07:58] <cellofellow> But it's KDE based, and won't run on what Xubuntu will.
[07:58] <celt1c> what do u mean
[07:59] <cellofellow> Xubuntu uses XFCE, which is faster than Ubuntu's GNOME or Kubuntu and MEPIS's KDE.
[07:59] <Jester45> it needs a better comuputer to run but your lappy is running vista so it will be fine
[07:59] <celt1c> ah ok
[07:59] <cellofellow> ok, all happy now.
[07:59] <celt1c> ill try mepis, thanks
[07:59] <cellofellow> 'sides, kde acts more like Windows out of the box than others.
[08:00] <celt1c> what is this on the go drive in mepis?
[08:01] <cellofellow> USB I think.
[08:01] <cellofellow> Never got into MEPIS. When I was uber-noob I downloaded it, but it never ran on the computer I wanted it to.
[08:01] <cellofellow> GRUB bootloader on LiveCD is a bad idea IMHO.
[08:01] <celt1c> so i dont have to install mepis right, i can just live cd it?
[08:02] <cellofellow> Yes.
[08:02] <celt1c> can i, if i wnat install it later on a parition and dual boot?
[08:02] <cellofellow> It was a LiveCD (with Knoppix technology) even before it switch to Ubuntu.
[08:02] <cellofellow> celt1c: yes, there is an install button on the desktop just like in Ubuntu.
[08:02] <cellofellow> Or rather the other way around I think.
[08:03] <cellofellow> MEPIS had it first.
[08:03] <celt1c> ok, i will have to learn how to parition first
[08:03] <celt1c> what tool do u recommend for that again?
[08:03] <cellofellow> just the Linux tools. GParted or QTparted (whichever comes with MEPIS), or the command line tool cfdisk.
[08:04] <celt1c> o ok so it is linux alright
[08:04] <cellofellow> Linux is a *nix.
[08:04] <celt1c> what?
[08:04] <cellofellow> Like BSD, Mac, and Solaris are too.
[08:04] <cellofellow> A UNIX-type OS.
[08:04] <celt1c> o ya
[08:05] <cellofellow> Linux is technically a UNIX clone, while the others are true UNIXes.
[08:05] <celt1c> tricky tricky
[08:05] <celt1c> is all i need the iso image, or do i need the md5sum file too
[08:05] <cellofellow> all you NEED is the ISO, and the md5sum is just to make sure your download isn't corrupted.
[08:05] <celt1c> okk
[08:06] <celt1c> thanks for ur help cellofellow
[08:07] <cellofellow> you're welcome.
[08:11] <celt1c> hey cello im gonna stay on here while i try mepis on my other computer, if i need any help especially with the partitioning ill ask in here
[08:13] <cellofellow> ok
[08:14] <cellofellow> celt1c: I wish I hadn't ever gone the easy route with partitioning. ie I install on full hard drives. My dual boot box has two.
[08:16] <cellofellow> correction: I wish I had once done it the normal way, so I could be a better help.
[08:16] <cellofellow> I'm glad I do it the easy way. Less to worry about.
[08:17] <celt1c> am i doing it the easy way?
[08:17] <cellofellow> if you don't want to nuke Windows you're not.
[08:18] <celt1c> oh wel i guess im doing it the hard wya, is that ok?
[08:18] <cellofellow> yes.
[08:18] <cellofellow> it's fine
[08:18] <cellofellow> only means more partitions
[08:18] <celt1c> there is a nice mepis user guide i am reading while i am downloading the iso which explains a lot incouding the partition, but i will still need to ask u to make sure while i do it
[08:18] <cellofellow> k
[08:19] <cellofellow> I never actually installed MEPIS, just so you know, so I don't know how the installer works.
[08:19] <celt1c> alright do u want the link to the user guide so u can see what tha partitioner looks like?
[08:19] <cellofellow> sure
[08:20] <celt1c> http://www.mepis.org/files/MEPIS%20User%20Guide.pdf
[08:20] <celt1c> its a pdf
[08:20] <celt1c> page 15
[08:20] <celt1c> acutally 13 or 14
[08:24] <cellofellow> holy mackerel. my internet is running at like 3.5 times normal speed.
[08:25] <celt1c> lol
[08:25] <celt1c> thats weird
[08:25] <celt1c> what kind of internet do u have
[08:25] <cellofellow> DSL
[08:25] <celt1c> hm
[08:26] <celt1c> did that partitioning user guide thing make sense to u, cause i didnt understand all of it
[08:27] <cellofellow> no, wait. my VirtualBox installation must have a slow clock or something, cause though it syas 75kBps in there, out of the Box it says normal, about 27.
[08:27] <celt1c> thats slow
[08:27] <cellofellow> cheapest DSL available
[08:27] <cellofellow> still a lot faster than dial up
[08:27] <celt1c> true
[08:28] <celt1c> im on a 54 mpbs wireless
[08:28] <cellofellow> that's LAN. Mine is 100mbps wired.
[08:28] <celt1c> o cool
[08:28] <celt1c> alright im booting up mepis
[08:29] <cellofellow> ok, I think I can walk you through this from the screenshots.
[08:29] <celt1c> sweet!
[08:29] <cellofellow> Although it uses QTParted, which I don't know the GUI layout for. I like GParted more.
[08:29] <celt1c> ah
[08:29] <cellofellow> so, you'll have to think for yourself a bit.
[08:30] <celt1c> defaults (auto config with xorg display driver) or opt-in (nvdiai driver for newer than quatro4) ?
[08:30] <celt1c> i have nvdidia in my laptop
[08:30] <cellofellow> try nvidia
[08:30] <celt1c> aight
[08:31] <celt1c> failed to allocate mem resource
[08:31] <celt1c> is that bad
[08:31] <cellofellow> um, if it crashed cause of that, then yes.
[08:31] <celt1c> o its still going
[08:31] <celt1c> ok
[08:32] <cellofellow> celt1c: check out page 64 in the MEPIS manual.
[08:32] <celt1c> yep i read that
[08:32] <celt1c> that big paragraph was confusing
[08:32] <cellofellow> which?
[08:33] <celt1c> resizing a windows parittion (dual booting)
[08:33] <celt1c> the one with that title
[08:33] <cellofellow> ok, getting there
[08:33] <celt1c> no not that one
[08:33] <celt1c> creating new parititons
[08:33] <celt1c> that one
[08:33] <cellofellow> still getting there
[08:33] <celt1c> kk
[08:34] <celt1c> ok my screen is just black, it went to the loading menu and now its black
[08:34] <cellofellow> um
[08:34] <cellofellow> try the auto-detect thing.
[08:34] <celt1c> the default one ok
[08:35] <cellofellow> before you do that, boot windows, and defrag and backup
[08:36] <celt1c> i defragged last week is that good>?
[08:36] <cellofellow> dunno. you can't resize an fs that has some data at the end of the partition. It should work though.
[08:37] <celt1c> ok
[08:38] <celt1c> ok it got to another step and told me to rpess ctrl alt f7 or ctrl alt f8 to get to a menu
[08:38] <celt1c> which i did
[08:39] <celt1c> now it is just a blakck scren with a blinking white line at the top
[08:39] <cellofellow> you still not getting MEPIS to boot?
[08:39] <celt1c> guess not ill try again
[08:40] <cellofellow> I can help you with installation, but I'd try their channel (I think it's #mepis) for getting the livecd to boot.
[08:40] <celt1c> ok ill try again then go there
[08:55] <celt1c> grrr no one is repsonding in there
[08:57] <cellofellow> :-(
[08:57] <cellofellow> I don't know
[08:57] <celt1c> this is so annoying
[08:57] <celt1c> iv ebene trying to get linux for the past three days non stop
[08:57] <celt1c> going through like 5 different distros none have worked
[08:57] <celt1c> what should i do? try a different distro?
[09:00] <DvineLord> try booting in framebuffer mode
[09:00] <DvineLord> ive had issues with almost every livecd with that
[09:01] <celt1c> ok how do i do that
[09:01] <DvineLord> it gives an option on most distros ive tried
[09:01] <DvineLord> i honestly havent tried xubuntu yet
[09:01] <celt1c> im using mepis
[09:01] <DvineLord> havent used that either
[09:01] <DvineLord> only ubuntu based distro ive used so far is linuxmint
[09:02] <celt1c> theres 9 different options for booting
[09:02] <celt1c> none that resemble frame buffer
[09:02] <DvineLord> and i just recently tried BeaFanatIX
[09:02] <DvineLord> BeaFanatIX is super small and fast
[09:02] <DvineLord> and gives u all the framebuffer options
[09:02] <celt1c> what is that a distro?
[09:02] <DvineLord> id try that one
[09:02] <DvineLord> yea
[09:03] <celt1c> ive tried like 5 distros in the past few dyas
[09:03] <celt1c> none have worked
[09:03] <celt1c> there always has been a problem
[09:03] <celt1c> its so anooying
[09:04] <DvineLord> i been messing with slax style distros alot
[09:04] <DvineLord> and on the fly module making is wicked badass
[09:04] <DvineLord> itd be my number one live choice
[09:04] <DvineLord> although i hate kde
[09:04] <DvineLord> which is only problem
[09:05] <DvineLord> btw pm celt1c
[09:05] <celt1c> whats kde?
[09:06] <TheSheep> !kde
[09:06] <ubotu> KDE (http://kde.org) is the !desktop environment used natively in !Kubuntu. To install from Ubuntu:  sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop , or see http://help.ubuntu.com/community/InstallingKDE) . Latest KDE version is 3.5.7 for Feisty, 3.5.6 for Edgy, and 3.5.5 for Dapper. See http://kubuntu.org) for more information.
[09:10] <fireflyfx> hello
[09:10] <Jester45> hi
[09:10] <DvineLord> w0w
[09:10] <DvineLord> firefly
[09:10] <DvineLord> ive been watching firefly series as of now
[09:11] <fireflyfx> yo im having a slight prob with my wireless
[09:11] <fireflyfx> can someone help me out?
[09:12] <Jester45> maybe, but we cant help unless you tell just what the problem is
[09:13] <fireflyfx> lol- keep having to untick and retick box next to wireless connection in network settings after every boot
[09:13] <fireflyfx> then it works prefectly
[09:14] <Jester45> that doesnt sound to fun
[09:14] <fireflyfx> otherwise it is connected but at 0%
[09:15] <fireflyfx> i takeit this isnt normal...
[09:15] <Jester45> nopw
[09:15] <Jester45> nope
[09:15] <fireflyfx> oh well
[09:16] <Jester45> stay around someone might know
[09:16] <fireflyfx> k
[09:17] <fireflyfx> but i dont hold out much hope
[09:17] <Jester45> there is probly a simple fix
[09:20] <DvineLord> does xubuntu allow u too select packages u want before installation?
[09:20] <celt1c> hey cellowfellow, i am acutally downloading knoppix and going to use that and i thought i could use ur help with the qtparted program
[09:21] <DvineLord> ewww qtparted
[09:21] <celt1c> haah
[09:21] <DvineLord> i found out i hate that
[09:21] <DvineLord> i tried installing dreamlinux
[09:22] <DvineLord> saw that pop up
[09:22] <DvineLord> im not even gonna try installing it now
[09:22] <DvineLord> qparted is soooo much better
[09:22] <celt1c> whats bad about it
[09:22] <DvineLord> dont really remember
[09:22] <DvineLord> but i like gparted alot better
[09:22] <celt1c> can i use that with knoppix?
[09:22] <DvineLord> usually the installation stuff is scripted together
[09:22] <TheSheep> ah, the toolkit holy wars :)
[09:23] <DvineLord> u could do it during the livecd on ur own
[09:23] <DvineLord> then skip it during the install script
[09:23] <DvineLord> saying the disk is already setup
[09:23] <Jester45> TheSheep, hehe
[09:23] <celt1c> ok
[09:23] <celt1c> bbl
[09:23] <Jester45> very true major war. i think xfce will slowly kill both sides
[09:25] <TheSheep> Jester45: I think that xfce is where it is precisely *because* it didn't get involve at the start, but it changed now and the victory is there for some DE that nobody heard about yet :)
[09:26] <TheSheep> maybe e17?
[09:26] <Jester45> yuck
[09:26] <TheSheep> it's relatively calm and quiet
[09:26] <Jester45> i will use gnome before e17
[09:26] <DvineLord> yes
[09:26] <DvineLord> xfce is nice
[09:27] <DvineLord> i believe it should have clearlooks at default theme
[09:27] <DvineLord> xfce has the worst default theme
[09:27] <Jester45> i like xfce4-dusk
[09:27] <TheSheep> DvineLord: opinions vary, aestetics is certainly a complicated science
[09:27] <DvineLord> yes
[09:27] <DvineLord> but xfce is like a mini-gnome sorta
[09:27] <DvineLord> atleast now it is
[09:28] <Jester45> at least there are themes
[09:28] <DvineLord> thunar is alot like nautilus
[09:28] <DvineLord> thunar is sooo much better then xfm
[09:28] <TheSheep> DvineLord: I think that people who try to fit xfce into the 'mini-gnome' box hurt it a lot -- xfce has a different philosophy
[09:29] <DvineLord> well i like xfce
[09:29] <TheSheep> DvineLord: not hiding what the system actually does, but making the common tasks easier
[09:29] <DvineLord> yea
[09:29] <TheSheep> gnome does a lot of hiding and automating
[09:29] <TheSheep> and guessing, which I really hate :)
[09:30] <TheSheep> computers shouldn't try to be smart
[09:30] <DvineLord> kde is just sooo redundant and integrated
[09:30] <Jester45> thats what i dont like about it
[09:30] <TheSheep> well, kde is nice from the inside -- really thought out, but on the outside it's too windowish to my tastes
[09:30] <Jester45> seems like they want you to use only apps that start with K
[09:30] <DvineLord> kde is worse then windows
[09:30] <DvineLord> u can master windows ui fast
[09:31] <DvineLord> and unlock all the hidden stuff through registry
[09:31] <DvineLord> but kde is just nuts
[09:31] <Jester45> not all of it
[09:31] <TheSheep> DvineLord: I hate the millions of config options for each and every application...
[09:31] <DvineLord> i like application specific options
[09:31] <Jester45> but linus uses it so it must have something good
[09:31] <DvineLord> slackware uses it
[09:32] <DvineLord> slax is the best kde distro
[09:32] <DvineLord> it ownz
[09:32] <DvineLord> id always use it for live
[09:32] <DvineLord> specially with slax 6.x
[09:32] <DvineLord> i tried using xfce on it
[09:32] <DvineLord> forgot to make a vte package
[09:32] <DvineLord> had no terminal
[09:32] <DvineLord> it was no fun
[09:33] <Jester45> what i cant stand using is gentoo
[09:34] <Jester45> it takes forever to get it working like you want
[09:34] <DvineLord> hrm
[09:34] <DvineLord> gentoo seems to be the way to go for things that special configs
[09:34] <DvineLord> like pdas, game consoles
[09:35] <DvineLord> probably be awesome for car computers
[09:35] <Jester45> i guess
[09:35] <DvineLord> i was looking at one gentoo deriv
[09:35] <Jester45> if you wanna be in your car for a week gettings it to work like you want
[09:35] <DvineLord> sabayon linux
[09:35] <DvineLord> u think thatd be any good?
[09:35] <Jester45> sabayon isnt bad
[09:35] <DvineLord> koo
[09:36] <Jester45> still hate portage
[09:36] <Jester45> its pretty cool that it has beryl and kde working nicly on a live cd
[09:37] <DvineLord> but for live cds slax is the way to go
[09:37] <DvineLord> or something like slax
[09:37] <DvineLord> i tried slax,wolvix,goblinx,nimblex,mutagenix
[09:37] <Jester45> morppix
[09:37] <DvineLord> there pretty kool ideas
[09:37] <DvineLord> and u can take any package
[09:37] <DvineLord> then convert it
[09:37] <DvineLord> and just stick it on the live cd
[09:38] <DvineLord> theres not single huge file u needa deal with
[09:38] <DvineLord> it just loads whatever package u want in memory
[09:38] <DvineLord> and u can load them on the fly once system boots
[09:43] <Jester45> hihi
[09:45] <vidd> hello
[10:55] <Jester45> TheSheep, do you know how to make a ram disk and have some programs i use a lot stored in it
[10:55] <Jester45> like firefox xchat sonata
[10:56] <TheSheep> mount -t tmpfs none /mnt/some-directory -o size=30G
[10:56] <TheSheep> and then copy the fiels you want there
[10:56] <TheSheep> at every boot
[10:57] <Jester45> cool
[10:57] <Jester45> could i fstab that right
[10:57] <TheSheep> Jester45: yes, but you still need to copy the files every time
[10:58] <Jester45> i could make that an script that autoruns
[10:58] <TheSheep> Jester45: I doubt it will improve anything in a significant way
[10:58] <TheSheep> Jester45: readahead already does something like that
[10:59] <celt1c> hey guys i need some help, i tried booting off a usb drive but it says could not find kernel image when i try it, can anyone help
[10:59] <Jester45> TheSheep, well if it doesnt work i wull just umount it
[11:01] <Jester45> TheSheep, and if i did 300mb woud it take that much ram even if theres nothing in the dir. like allocating it or would it use more as it fills up and the size is just the limit
[11:04] <TheSheep> Jester45: it grows as need up to the specified size
[11:05] <Jester45> thats good
[11:05] <Jester45> i think 1gb should store just about everything
[11:08] <TheSheep> .oO( 640kB should be enough for anyone)
[11:09] <Jester45> less than a mb for firefox to be stored in
[11:09] <cellofellow> says the man who live in the days of big floppies.
[11:15] <Jester45> well i might just do 500mb
[11:39] <Sharn> I know it's been asked (And debated before), but where is the trash stored besides ~/.Trash? I have some files I dno't have the permission to delete in my trash (root) and want to delete them
[11:51] <Jester45> Sharn, cant you gksudo Thunar and delete them
[11:52] <cellofellow> why not? are they special files?
[11:58] <Jester45> cellofellow, its the trash files that root has
[11:59] <cellofellow> Thunar should just work
[12:00] <Jester45> cellofellow, yea... but its root's so i said open thunar as root so you can remove roots files
[12:01] <Sharn> Sorry, walked away. Tried that a minute ago but they don't show up when  open thunar as root
[12:02] <Jester45> Sharn, how do you delete the files
[12:02] <Sharn> Either right clicking or through file > empty trash in thunar
[12:03] <Jester45> and. was thunar root when you rightclicked them
[12:03] <Sharn> And I get "Failed to remove ***  Permission Denied"
[12:04] <Sharn> It doesn't show any trash and doest give me a right click option to remove them when thunar is opened as root
[12:04] <Sharn> When opened as a normal user, it shows 3 directories
[12:05] <Jester45> when thunar is opened as root it has its own trash folder because the folder is in roots home
[12:05] <Jester45> so if it was root when deleted you need to be root to see it
[12:05] <Sharn> That makes sense
[12:06] <Jester45> if you can only see it when a normal user
[12:06] <Jester45> right click and restore the files
[12:06] <Jester45> then sudo rm -rf file1 file2 directory3
[12:06] <Sharn> Gotcha
[12:06] <Jester45> if all the files are in the same directory just delete the directory
[12:07] <Jester45> the rm command doesnt put files in the trash
[12:08] <Jester45> so when you run it they are gone
[12:08] <Sharn> I understand that much at least. :P
[12:24] <cellofellow> use shft+del to delete things in Thunar bypassing the trash.
[12:24] <cellofellow> I always use that when running with gksu
[12:24] <cellofellow> Sharn: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
[12:25] <Jester45> cellofellow, do you have any advice for a new person to installing linux ?
[12:29] <Jester45> i need to make a cool log script