[02:57] <jjesse_> evenin
[04:17] <jjesse> nixternal: you have mail
[05:22] <nixternal> jjesse: you have mail :)
[06:07] <nixternal> hiya Hobbsee!
[06:07] <Hobbsee> hi nixternal!
[09:46] <Tonio_> hi :-
[09:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: ping ? :'(
[09:47] <Riddell> why so sad Tonio_?
[09:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: cause I can't understand why the kdesudo fade effects works with everyone but me....
[09:48] <Riddell> ah
[09:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: looks like a bug with the macbook cpu or something
[09:49] <Riddell> doesn't sound like the most important function of the programme?
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: of course not, but I'd like that to be perfect for kubuntu inclusion
[09:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: btw that's optional, I agree
[09:50] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I have to go, I'll be back in an hour or so
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just waiting for feedback grom mhb on the last missing functionnality and we can start testing to get it is
[09:50] <Tonio_> in
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki let's see that later
[09:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I have a plan and probably this time I know where is the problem
[09:50] <Tonio_> Riddell: will release the kdebluetooth in a few days
[09:51] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm just waiting for gollum last fixes, as he doesn't want to be pissed off with all the bugs while fixing them
[09:51] <Tonio_> that's why I'm waiting a bit
[09:51] <Riddell> gollum?
[09:51] <Tonio_> isn't that his nick ?
[09:51] <Tonio_> lemme checl
[09:51] <Tonio_> check
[09:52] <Riddell> I've no idea
[09:52] <Riddell> if you say it is, I'll believe you :)
[09:52] <Tonio_> Riddell: dgollub
[09:53] <Tonio_> Riddell: gollum is in the lord of the rings :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> hehe
[09:53] <Riddell> easily confused :)
[09:53] <Tonio_> that new kdebluetooth framework will rock for sure
[09:54] <Tonio_> UI is so much better
[09:58] <Riddell> screenshot screenshot!
[09:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: I have package btw :)
[10:00] <Riddell> not much use to me without any bluetooth hardware
[10:00] <Tonio_> oki making you a screenshot then
[10:00] <Hobbsee> greetings
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture16.png
[10:02] <Tonio_> Riddell: http://tonio.homelinux.org/temp/capture17.png
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: first is the config modules opened
[10:03] <Tonio_> second is the context menu in the tray
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: so much better compared to the old ununderstandable config tool
[10:03] <Tonio_> Riddell: once the all debuging is done I'll prepare a MIR for the new builddep and publish testing packages
[10:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: a week, or so
[10:04] <Hobbsee> is there anything else we need for kubuntu, before making cds?
[10:06] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: I don't think so
[10:07] <Tonio_> not afaik at least :)
[10:07] <Hobbsee> cool
[10:12] <Riddell> Hobbsee: is anything up with today's daily CDs?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: they're on manual?
[10:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: why?
[10:15] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I just synced today's dailies for testing, but you seem to be saying you expect to make new ones
[10:15] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah.  if we've got that much spare space, we may as well dump some langpacks on them, was the logic
[10:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ok I'm back..
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super
[10:21] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: in fact I did several tests
[10:22] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: did you find the cause?
[10:22] <Tonio_> it doesn't work better with dialog instead of popup, the only difference is that the "front" resource is different
[10:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the big issue for me is that the fade out doesn't work
[10:22] <Tonio_> even on cancel
[10:22] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I didn't saw that due to the kapp->quit
[10:23] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah ok..
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: but if I disable it, no fadeout
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: on cancel too
[10:23] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so that's the reason of the problem
[10:23] <Tonio_> and as no fadeout, I'm stuck
[10:23] <Tonio_> the point is that with a dialog, I can easilly put it on top and close it, no wa with a popup
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I tried to make a top-level window, with borders, I can close it, without borders, no way
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: fadeout works with the logout thing, so there might be a difference in the code somehow
[10:24] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: also tried to make a qdialog instead of a qwidget, didn't change anything....
[10:25] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no ideas now, but I suspect you may have an idea concerning the fadeout not workingh
[10:25] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so under no circumstances does the fadeout work for you, right?
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: works like a charm in the logout
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: never works in kdesudo
[10:27] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: on slotcancel or slotok
[10:28] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good, I will look into what makes the difference, it might have something to do with the way the classes are set up
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the only thing with slotcancel is that that was overriden by the quit()
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: probably yes
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I may not be the only one with the issue
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: what is strange is that it should be a general issue....
[10:28] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maybe because I have a mac
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well you might have a combination on different things... an unlucky combination ;)
[10:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: maybe yes
[10:29] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: the point that as I said, my kubuntu box is default
[10:29] <Tonio_> pure default, nothing special on it
[10:29] <Tonio_> I don't even have a wallpaper set
[10:29] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep, but then again we dont know if the hardware has anything to do with this
[10:30] <Tonio_> yep, that is really possible indeed
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: but that doesn't matter, all we have to do is mimic the logout completely (dialog, screen capture and so on)
[10:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I have to do some regular work, but I will try to look at this on and off during the day
[10:32] <Riddell> mm, now I discover the reason why katapult is showing up
[10:32] <Riddell> mez added an autostart so it starts twice
[10:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: just a question... why is katapult even there? is it something people use?
[10:36] <Riddell> _StefanS_: yes, once you're used to it you use it all the time
[10:36] <Riddell> Hobbsee: permission to upload a k-d-s to fix the issue?
[10:36] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ok.. because the hotkey doesn't really work for me
[10:36] <Riddell> _StefanS_: alt+space?
[10:36] <Hobbsee> Riddell: the katapult one?  yeah
[10:37] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well maybe it only works if you havent changed the key style to window
[10:37] <_StefanS_> windows
[10:37] <_StefanS_> the scheme i mean
[10:37] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: we shouldn't use the autostart
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have to patch katapult
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: with an autostart katapult will display the dialog whatever happens afaik
[10:38] <Tonio_> Riddell: stop me if I'm wrong on that point
[10:39] <_StefanS_> hmm whats the default key scheme for kubuntu ?
[10:39] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's the difference between autostart within kde session and autostart within /usr/share/autostart
[10:40] <Riddell> Tonio_: not much.  in a kde session it'll not start the next time if you log out without the programme still running
[10:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: true
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: well I was just wondering if starting with an autostart will respect the fact that you previously loaded it in the last session
[10:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: I guess no :)
[11:24] <doc_> hi there
[11:25] <Riddell> hi doc_, how are you?
[11:34] <doc_> fine thanks... with a lot of work over me :)
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: R
[12:00] <Tonio_> /build/buildd/amarok-1.4.6/./amarok/src/collectionbrowser.cpp:716: error: call of overloaded 'KDialogBase(CollectionView* const, int, bool)' is ambiguous
[12:00] <Tonio_> /usr/include/kde/kdialogbase.h:285: note: candidates are: KDialogBase::KDialogBase(QWidget*, const char*, bool, uint, const QString&, int, KDialogBase::ButtonCode, bool, const KGuiItem&, const KGuiItem&, const KGuiItem&)
[12:00] <Tonio_> Riddell: was that patched recently ?
[12:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: I heard kdelibs was patched for kdesudo recently
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum that's due to _StefanS_ patch for kdesudo
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: exacvtly........ that's not good
[12:05] <Tonio_> the patch redefines the kdialogbase class
[12:05] <Tonio_> Riddell: sounds very sensitive no ?
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: I suggest to temporary drop the patch and ask _StefanS_ is there is another way to to it
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is I don't understand the need of this as it has been done without any problem with the logout dialog....
[12:06] <Tonio_> Riddell: why redefining kdialogbase ?
[12:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'm droping the patch for the moment, as that will block tribe 3 if amarok ftbfs
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: saw your removal of the patch on kdelibs... that was exactly what I was afraid of ;(
[12:38] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: good thing you removed it for now.
[12:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: yeah sorry, but that may eventually crash all applications using kdialogbase
[12:40] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: isn't there a way to do that differently ?
[12:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: you didn't have to do that for the logout afaik
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well..
[12:41] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: nope for the logout, it doesnt use kdialogbase.. only QDialog which ofcourse has that wtype_popup property.
[12:41] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: can't we use a qdialog with kdesudo ?
[12:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: well then we need to re-implement all functionality of KPasswordDialog ourselves :D
[12:42] <Tonio_> I mean with the fade
[12:42] <Tonio_> argh
[12:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the kdesudo window doesnt show above the fade if its a regular window, and then the fade doesn't work.
[12:43] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's a big issue =)
[12:43] <Tonio_> hum that sucks, really.......
[12:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hehe, well I think I know how to fix it.. I just have to change the kdelibs patch to be _way_ different that the original call, so its doesnt get confused over what prototype to use
[12:44] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: there is absolutly no way to put the passwd window "on top" of the fade ?
[12:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: like make it require more arguments by default.
[12:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hope you can fix this
[12:45] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: thats correct, normal windows cant do that.
[12:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: then it becomes the priority if you know how to
[12:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and once that's fixed, we can think about my other problem :)
[12:45] <_StefanS_> I will look into it, I have a busy day, but I will try later...
[12:46] <_StefanS_> I have a good idea how to fix it, and I have some regular kdelibs code that can reveal the problem, so I can test and recompile fast
[12:46] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no emergency ;)
[12:47] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: remember that extra patch for kab? thats exactly the same problem I solved there.
[12:47] <_StefanS_> gotta run. I will let you know when I have something.
[12:48] <Tonio_> yep I remember
[12:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: so you might be able to do it, good news :)
[12:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and who knows, maybe that'll also fix my second problem :)
[12:49] <_StefanS_> it will
[12:49] <Tonio_> talking about the fadeout now working
[12:49] <_StefanS_> oh, yes ofcourse :)
[12:49] <Tonio_> s/now/not
[12:49] <Tonio_> who knows :)
[12:49] <_StefanS_> true.
[12:49] <_StefanS_> gitta go
[12:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki seya
[01:07] <Tonio_> Riddell: do you know how to restore a specific revision with bzr ?
[01:07] <Riddell> bzr revert ?
[01:09] <Tonio_> Riddell: sounds like good :)
[01:10] <Riddell> >./restricted-manager-kde
[01:10] <Riddell> ASSERT: "!_name.isEmpty()" in /build/buildd/kdelibs-3.5.7/./kdecore/kinstance.cpp (94)
[01:10] <Riddell> Must be run as member of admin group
[01:10] <Riddell> mhb: ^^
[01:10] <Riddell> I am a member of the admin group
[01:11] <Riddell> appname     = ""
[01:11] <Riddell> well, it's not wrong :)
[01:11] <rbrunhuber> regarding tribe 3 test: I'd like too but I can't because of nonfixed bugs (according to lp) and nonsupported functionality
[01:12] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: which bug is the problem?
[01:13] <rbrunhuber> 124776 and that mouse is not working in virtual machine environment, also the missing support for fakeraid installation.
[01:13] <Riddell> bug 124776
[01:13] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124776 in xserver-xorg-driver-s3virge "[gutsy alternate tribe2 cd]  S3 driver: missing symbol RamDacInit" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/124776
[01:13] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: see above an bug 123776
[01:14] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 123776 in openoffice.org "[cosmetic]  "Background Color" button in OpenOffice.org 2.2 different than the other buttons of the same type" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/123776
[01:14] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: see above an bug 124776
[01:17] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: I hope you understand the bug report. It was part of a greater "experience story" so I hope no parts a missing.
[01:18] <Riddell> rbrunhuber: you can still try a live CD session
[01:19] <Riddell> and that way you can confirm if the bugs still exist or not
[01:19] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: This would be really great if lp offered an opportunity to link bugs to a "user story". So you could save I've made this -> bug xyz, then this -> bug xxz
[01:20] <Riddell> you can use tags
[01:20] <rbrunhuber> not the ideal solution but a start.
[01:22] <rbrunhuber> Riddell: Do you know if fakeraid installation is still not supported. The documentation on this is scarce and i could not get it running last time so i assumed its not there.
[01:22] <Riddell> no idea sorry
[01:23] <rbrunhuber> Any pointers where to ask?
[01:24] <Riddell> #ubuntu-server maybe
[01:24] <Jaghound> anybody know why latest gutsy initramfs does not create /dev/disk/by-uuid (and so fails to mount my /-disk)?
[01:25] <Jaghound> luckily root=/dev/hda1 worked ...
[01:25] <Jaghound> from grub
[01:26] <Jaghound> I did apt update and /usr/sbin/update-initramfs, but no help
[01:27] <Jaghound> in the initramfs busybox I see that there is not /dev/disk/by-uuid dir ...
[01:27] <Jaghound> other three are there (label etc.)
[01:33] <Riddell> Jaghound: better to ask on #ubuntu-kernel
[01:34] <Jaghound> Riddell: ok
[01:34] <jjesse> morning
[01:35] <Riddell> good morning Jaghound
[01:35] <Riddell> oh and jjesse too :)
[01:35] <jjesse> it's probablly good afternoon for you Riddell?
[01:35] <Riddell> that too
[01:37] <Jaghound> afternoon for me
[01:44] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I talked to a really knowing c++ guy, and it seems like there's an easy fix for it (atleast he says so). After the change the compiler will not be confused as to what function is should use during compile of apps that use KDialogBase
[01:45] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super ;)
[01:46] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: if it turns out it wont work, he will help getting it to work, so our chances are good I think.
[01:47] <Riddell> mhb: "Your hardware does not need any restricted drivers."
[01:54] <soc> hi
[01:54] <Riddell> hi soc
[01:54] <soc> i'm just trying to test kde 4 alpha 2 on gutsy ...
[01:54] <soc> but starting programs fails with:
[01:55] <soc> dolphin: klauncher not running... launching kdeinit
[01:55] <soc> kdeinit4: preparing to launch /usr/lib/kde4/lib/kde4/libexec/klauncher
[01:55] <soc> kdeinit4: Launched KLauncher, pid = 12786 result = 0
[01:55] <soc> klauncher: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeinit4_klauncher.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[01:55] <soc> kdeinit4: Communication error with launcher. Exiting!
[01:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: and possibility to run the kde4 apps inside kde3 somehow?
[01:55] <soc> when starting dolphin)
[01:55] <_StefanS_> soc: guess we're asking the same :)
[01:55] <soc> :-)
[01:55] <_StefanS_> soc: I tried to start konsole hehe
[01:55] <soc> it seems starting a seperate kde4 session doesn't work too
[01:55] <_StefanS_> yep
[01:56] <soc> the path looks quite qierd
[01:56] <soc> weird^
[01:56] <Riddell> soc: have you set..
[01:56] <Riddell> export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/lib
[01:56] <Riddell> export KDEDIR=/usr/lib/kde4
[01:56] <Riddell> export PATH=/usr/lib/kde4/bin/:$PATH
[01:56] <Riddell> ?
[01:56] <soc> i did that :-(
[01:57] <soc> i used the instructions from alpha 1
[01:57] <soc> http://kubuntu.org/announcements/kde4-alpha1.php
[01:58] <soc> riddell: i tried that already, doesn't work ...
[01:59] <Riddell> let me install from scratch
[02:02] <soc> riddell: me?
[02:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: that doesnt work for me either
[02:04] <Riddell> _StefanS_: same error as soc?
[02:04] <_StefanS_> yep
[02:04] <_StefanS_> Riddell: konsole: error while loading shared libraries: libkdeinit4_konsole.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[02:04] <Riddell> I wonder where libkdeinit4_klauncher.so is
[02:05] <Riddell> _StefanS_, soc: try installing kde4libs-dev and kde4base-dev
[02:05] <soc> ok
[02:05] <Riddell> kdelibs5-dev kde4base-dev
[02:05] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks ;)
[02:06] <soc> ok, one moment, i'm just purging those qt4 kdecopy packages
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I dont have kdelibs5-dev
[02:07] <Riddell> it's definately in gutsy
[02:07] <_StefanS_> weird..
[02:07] <soc> found both ...
[02:07] <soc> Stefans: maybe mirror lag?
[02:07] <Riddell> yes, that solves the issue for me
[02:07] <Riddell> how annoying
[02:08] <soc> so the packages depend on things in dev?
[02:09] <soc> omg ........ i want my 6 mega bit line noooooooooow
[02:09] <_StefanS_> hmm just installed kdelibs5-dev, and still have the same error
[02:09] <Riddell> there are files in -dev which should be in the normal package
[02:09] <soc> 125kB/sec ...
[02:09] <soc> ah ok
[02:09] <Riddell> _StefanS_: your missing one will be in kde4base-dev
[02:09] <_StefanS_> oh yep
[02:09] <soc> btw ... totally offtopic:
[02:10] <_StefanS_> 1647kb/s.. the server seems slow today
[02:10] <_StefanS_> :D
[02:10] <soc> grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[02:10] <soc> ^
[02:10] <_StefanS_> Riddell: well now it got past that point, but crashed afterwards hehe
[02:11] <soc> btw ... totally off-topic: is there a way to deactivate firefox 3 checking for the compatibility of the extensions?
[02:11] <_StefanS_> soc: ask google
[02:15] <soc> mh ok ...
[02:15] <soc> yeah ...
[02:15] <soc> dolphin works!
[02:15] <soc> ok ...
[02:15] <soc> away for the next 2 hours ....
[02:15] <soc> tryinf kde4 :-)
[02:16] <soc> thanks to riddell and stefan (for having the same problem :-)
[02:20] <Riddell> dolphin in kde 4 has a terminal by default?
[02:21] <Riddell> crivvens
[02:33] <ryanakca> hmmm... what's the rsync line to update the gutsy alternate CD? I keep on getting "Some files could not be transfered"...
[02:33] <Hobbsee> rsync -zhhP rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/gutsy-desktop-i386.iso kubuntu-gutsy-desktop-i386.iso
[02:33] <Hobbsee> ryanakca: or whatever you've called it
[02:33] <Hobbsee> oh, alternate, modify the path to suit
[02:37] <ryanakca> Hobbsee: thanks :)
[03:39] <marseillai_> hi apachelogger
[03:39] <marseillai_> apachelogger: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/124047
[03:39] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 124047 in ubuntu-restricted-extras "add libtunepimp5-mp3 dependance to kubuntu-restricted-extras" [Wishlist,Fix released] 
[03:39] <Hobbsee> hiya marseillai_
[03:39] <marseillai_> yop Hobbsee
[03:39] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: was going to use that, but found a fwe bugs in the patch, so just did it mysefl
[03:40] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: i've see that
[03:40] <marseillai_> i saw you change from recommend to depend
[03:40] <Hobbsee> (it didnt say gutsy, it only had 3 of the arches, not all 5)
[03:40] <marseillai_> but what other bug did you find ?
[03:40] <Hobbsee> yeah, that's an apt bug, unfortunately
[03:40] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: libtunepimp is only avalaible for this 3 arch
[03:41] <Hobbsee> oh bugger.
[03:41] <apachelogger> ohh
[03:41] <apachelogger> ^_^
[03:41] <Hobbsee> i did wonder about that
[03:41] <apachelogger> on the other hand, mailing is great fun :P
[03:42] <marseillai_> gutsy (libs): MP3 Plugin for MusicBrainz tagging library [universe] 
[03:42] <marseillai_> 0.5.3-4ubuntu1: amd64 i386 powerpc
[03:42] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[03:42] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: community ports
[03:42] <apachelogger> ah, ok
[03:46] <marseillai_> Hobbsee: i do the patch
[03:46] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: fixed, thanks
[03:46] <marseillai_> arf
[03:46] <Hobbsee> marseillai_: i've just uploaded it :)
[03:46] <marseillai_> quicker than me
[03:46] <marseillai_> :)
[03:46] <marseillai_> faster
[03:49] <Hobbsee> :)
[03:49] <Hobbsee> well, i had the source here
[03:49] <Hobbsee> and i didnt have to look at launchpad
[03:51] <marseillai_> i didn't have too ...
[03:51] <marseillai_> but didn't have the source! :)
[04:09] <Riddell> is launchpad down?
[04:09] <jjesse> i didn't do it
[04:09] <jjesse> its down for me as well
[04:09] <Hobbsee> Riddell: site too busy
[04:09] <apachelogger> great job Hobbsee :P
[04:10] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: heh
[04:10] <Hobbsee> i iddnt break it
[04:10] <Riddell> fixed now
[04:10] <apachelogger> it's soooo hot :|
[04:13] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: i'll swap
[04:16] <apachelogger> :)
[04:21] <apachelogger> hm
[04:22] <apachelogger> Hobbsee: what's the point of the mailing list actually?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> apachelogger: a) to have a contact address for everyone, for meetings, and people to contact us  b)  to discuss things on it, instead of on irc, which everyone cant be at, basically
[04:23] <apachelogger> now, usually one can do a discussion also on a bug report ;-)
[04:23] <apachelogger> actually the mail was meant for discussion
[04:23] <apachelogger> on the other hand, maybe my brain is just melting ^_^
[04:24] <Hobbsee> oh sure, it's meant for discussing :)
[04:24] <Hobbsee> but it was more weird seeing as i'd already uploaded the fix without seeing the mail
[04:26] <apachelogger> I'm off to do some pool+water+nerd action ;-)
[05:53] <nixternal> jeesh, dude has issues with KGPG and says in his blog post ont he planet that "KDE is not as configurable as I thought"
[05:54] <Hobbsee> heh, yes, i saw that
[05:54] <nixternal> and it is a simple fix which everyone pointed at
[05:54] <nixternal> I just responded with "KGPG is not KDE"
[05:54] <nixternal> that would be like me saying Gnome sucks because Nautilus is weak
[05:54] <Hobbsee> he's a forums guy, isnt he?
[05:54] <Hobbsee> or something?
[05:54] <ScottK> Yes, but Gnome does suck, so it'd be OK.
[05:54] <nixternal> something like that
[05:55] <nixternal> haha
[05:55] <nixternal> Gnome isn't all that bad actually...after playing with it now for the past couple of months, it is easy to use, but I am a gearhead and a tweaker
[05:56] <nixternal> and not the tweaker you think of with meth
[05:57] <nixternal> Riddell: we will be working on something similar to mallard once it isn't no longer vaporware
[05:58] <nixternal> project mallard is over 2 years old, with no work on it until recently..it has been mostly talk for 2 years though
[05:58] <nixternal> actually, we are working on upgrading KHelpCenter for KDE 4, and hopefully one day we can do the same...but reinventing the wheel with yet another doc language isn't the best thing either imho
[06:00] <Riddell> nixternal: the doc language isn't as important as a common meta data format
[06:00] <Riddell> so long as the docbook format can be read by everyone
[06:00] <Riddell> nixternal: who's "we"?
[06:00] <Riddell> and upgrading khelpcentre how?
[06:09] <nixternal> there are quite a bit in the "we" actually it is... Phil Rodriguez, me, milliams, Bille, tsdgeos, jkell, and a few others
[06:10] <nixternal> the upgrading will mostly be built around the new tagging with the whatsthis stuff and also using strigi to do the searching
[06:11] <nixternal> iirc, the whole thing about Mallard was really about creating a topic based help system similar to what MS and Apple use, or similar to the OO.o help feature
[06:12] <nixternal> s/jkell/jkeel
[06:12] <Riddell> maybe, he didn't mention that in his talk at all which I found surprising
[06:13] <nixternal> who is that?
[06:13] <nixternal> oh...the project mallard guy
[06:14] <nixternal> we tried to talk to him (mdke, me, burgundavia, mpt) when we were in the spec phase of the topic based help for us
[06:16] <nixternal> Yelp in Gnome reads XML just fine, and KHC reads DocBook and HTML just fine...so it is good getting one standard so any reader can parse the documents correctly
[06:21] <Riddell> nixternal: Don Scorgie I think (hard to tell, the guadec website doesn't actually list who is giving the talks)
[06:21] <nixternal> ya, that is him
[06:22] <nixternal> there is a project mallard website/spec...I haven't checked it in a few months, but the last time it was still the same info from like 2 years ago
[06:22] <nixternal> and iirc, Don is from where manchicken lives
[06:22] <manchicken> don?
[06:22] <nixternal> http://live.gnome.org/ProjectMallard
[06:22] <Riddell> he had a scottish accent
[06:22] <Riddell> that wiki page is out of date
[06:23] <nixternal> oh, I was wrong, Shaun M. who is/was the driver behind mallard is from Champaign
[06:25] <nixternal> school time, see ya later!
[06:26] <jjesse> bye !nixternal
[06:26] <nixternal> hah
[06:27] <Hobbsee> !nixternal
[06:27] <ubotu> Oh no!  The pointy-clicky Vista lover has arrived!  He's rumoured to be giving out free money, too!
[06:27] <Hobbsee> bye!
[06:48] <ScottK> Heh - http://support.microsoft.com/kb/q276304/
[06:50] <Hobbsee> ScottK: that's....wow
[08:20] <DaSkreech> skuured
[08:21] <DaSkreech> I just pressed Shift + 0 in bash and it came up with a message we will not remove any pictures that are just immoral
[09:04] <mhb> Riddell: do you have restricted-manager installed?
[09:06] <Riddell> mhb: I do now
[09:06] <Riddell> mhb: it tells me I don't need to use it :)
[09:06] <Riddell> so where's this script I can use to convince it I can
[09:06] <mhb> hmm
[09:06] <Riddell> ?
[09:06] <mhb> Riddell: oh, you didn't run it yet?
[09:07] <mhb> Riddell: it should be in my k-r-m branch
[09:07] <mhb> Riddell: tests/emulate-restricted.py
[09:08] <Riddell> whee, it works
[09:08] <mhb> Riddell: it's so ugly it actually works .o)
[09:09] <Riddell> missing any icons, I guess they need to be installed to the right place?
[09:09] <Riddell> "No proprietry drivers are in use on this system" I feel so virtuous
[09:10] <mhb> Riddell: they aren't there, because I've played with Oxygen iconset, instead of the Crystal one
[09:10] <mhb> Riddell: if you talk about the restricted-manager-kde one
[09:15] <ryanakca> erm... if it's two alternate cd installs in a row that I get the same bug, I assume it's safe for me to confirm it?
[09:15] <ryanakca> I'm not getting any mouse arrow after restarting X server / logging out. So... I can't see where my mouse is.
[09:17] <DaSkreech> Hi hunger
[09:17] <DaSkreech> How goes?
[09:19] <hunger> DaSkreech: lala.
[09:19] <DaSkreech> :-)
[09:19] <hunger> DaSkreech: not too good, not bad either.
[09:19] <DaSkreech> I'm very average as well
[09:20] <hunger> Riddell gave a good summary on xextensions in his blog:-)
[09:20] <hunger> "Turns out xcomposite doesn't compose, xdamage has a cool name and then I got a bit lost but it seems these days everyone just uses openGL anyway."
[09:32] <Riddell> ryanakca: funky.  I have been playing with mouse themes so it seems likely
[09:32] <ryanakca> Riddell: ah, ok
[09:34] <ryanakca> Riddell: any idea how one could fix it locally?
[10:16] <Riddell> ryanakca: I'm afraid not
[10:18] <Riddell> mhb: clicking on the tickbox doesn't seem to do much except tick it, but clicking on the text to the right of it does ask for installing it
[10:18] <Riddell> mhb: the dialogue doesn't resize with the window
[10:18] <Riddell> otherwise, it all seems great
[10:20] <ryanakca> Riddell: hmm. I'm guessing that it (pointer) has something to do with KDM, since the arrow is missing at the startup of kdm, and not the user session...
[10:21] <Riddell> ryanakca: I don't think kdm sets the cursor at all, it just uses what X uses
[10:21] <Riddell> KDE sets the cursor
[10:21] <Riddell> so somehow X is not getting its cursor by default
[10:23] <Riddell> ryanakca: you have /usr/share/icons/default ?
[10:23] <Riddell> and /etc/alternatives/x-cursor-theme ?
[10:23] <Riddell> and their target?
[10:59] <ryanakca> mhb: timing volunteer hours, and timing how long it takes me to make my chainmail items, so I can figure out how much it should cost
[11:12] <mhb> ryanakca: I have to admit I've never used it, and based on your uses I'm not sure whether we need it on the CD
[11:15] <mhb> ryanakca: what do you think? Do you think such an application will be used by newcomers really often? That potential users are likely to be un-skilled enough to be unable to install it?
[11:15] <mhb> ryanakca: forgive me if I'm asking stupid questions
[11:51] <nixternal> I need a break!
[11:52] <nixternal> thanks!
[11:55] <nixternal> gahaha, I love the iPhone review on the planet...that link is great
[11:56] <DaSkreech> planetkde?
[11:58] <nixternal> ubuntu
[11:58] <nixternal> Fabian Rodriguez
[11:59] <mhb> nixternal: too much for me, to be honest