[12:47] <MrKeuner> hi, which one is the totally free version of Ubuntu?
[12:48] <wsjunior> MrKeuner: Gobuntu
[12:50] <MrKeuner> I guess Gobuntu should be a subset of gutsy is that right? so it is not recommended for production machines as well?
[12:52] <wsjunior> Since July 10th 2007, daily builds of Gobuntu 7.10 are available to the public
[12:52] <wsjunior> MrKeuner: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/gobuntu/daily/current/
[01:01] <MrKeuner> wsjunior: thanks
[01:27] <calc> wsjunior: it may not even be installable yet
[01:27] <calc> wsjunior: ymmv
[01:28] <wsjunior> calc: what are u talking about? ;-)
[01:28] <calc> i know it was supposedly having issues while i was at the sprint last week
[01:28] <calc> gobuntu
[01:28] <wsjunior> uh
[01:29] <wsjunior> ya, maybe.. i haven't tried it yet.. just answered the question of that guy
[01:29] <calc> ok np
[01:30] <wsjunior> i get this after installing fglrx driver (i tried both 8.38.6 from ati and the repository one, the same error with both): http://rafb.net/p/Ty6xOy59.html
[01:30] <wsjunior> any idea?
[01:31] <wsjunior> this is what I got typing: sudo aticonfig --initial
[01:36] <calc> wsjunior: hmm thats not good, but no i don't know anything about fglrx, sorry :)
[01:36] <calc> er :(
[01:38] <eagles0513875> wsjunior: all i know from that is that sommething is causing a panic
[01:39] <wsjunior> hehe
[01:39] <tretle_> anyone got screenlets to work in gutsy?
[01:46] <mrsno> tretle_ screenlets ?
[01:47] <tretle_> yep http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/screenlets/?q=node/14
[01:52] <mrsno> trying tretle_ sorry 1 mo :)
[01:52] <tretle_> cool... thanks
[01:57] <mrsno> tretle_ hmm i get a variety of dbus errors
[01:59] <tretle_> how do u get the errors?
[01:59] <tretle_> I cant get any info at all
[02:00] <tretle_> when i start it from the panel nothing happens and when i try from the terminal I get this
[02:00] <tretle_> tretle@tretle-desktop:~$ screenletsd
[02:00] <tretle_> Screenletsd v0.0.1 | (c) RYX (Rico Pfaus) 2007 | released under the GPL
[02:00] <tretle_> Usage: screenletsd <action> [option(s)] 
[02:01] <mrsno> sec pastebin'n
[02:03] <mrsno> http://paste.debian.net/32881
[02:05] <mrsno> searching that dbus error on the website shows On July 5th, 2007 hendrik says:
[02:05] <mrsno> You probably have really new version of dbus-python. You just have to wait until a newer version of screenlets is released (which could take some time).
[02:05] <mrsno> from http://hendrik.kaju.pri.ee/screenlets/?q=node/44
[02:06] <tretle_> right
[02:06] <tretle_> thanks
[02:07] <mrsno> looks like a cool little app , i will keep an eye out for a gutsy version :)
[02:08] <tretle_> it is nice alright
[02:09] <tretle_> ran it on feisty
[02:09] <tretle_> you can have a hide widget effect similar to dashboard when you use it with compiz fusion
[02:10] <mrsno> nice
[02:12] <tretle_> actually you wouldnt be able to clarify that in places in the panel bar there are duplicate entries?
[02:12] <BFrank> does ubuntu have like a manual that explains how to do common things, like recompiling the kernel, etc?
[02:14] <RoC_MasterMind> BFrank, yes, the wiki.
[02:14] <BFrank> is there a link to that on the ubuntu.org website?
[02:14] <RoC_MasterMind> !wiki > BFrank
[02:14] <RoC_MasterMind> See private message?
[02:14] <mrsno> tretle_ i just purged my gutsy virtual install so can't check right now
[02:14] <mrsno> downloading today's daily for a fresh install
[02:15] <tretle_> righto
[02:15] <mrsno> duplicate entries? how so
[02:15] <RoC_MasterMind> BFrank, but a more general thing is this: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/
[02:16] <RoC_MasterMind> BFrank, also ubuntuguide.org for your quoted "common things"
[02:16] <BFrank> strange that the wiki isn't more prominently displayed on wiki.com
[02:16] <BFrank> err, ubuntu.com
[02:16] <RoC_MasterMind> indeed
[02:19] <mrsno> the wiki redirects searches to help.ubuntu.com
[02:19] <mrsno> which i believe is linked on ubuntu.com, but i would agree with it being sort out of the way
[02:19] <tretle_> 2 documents and two desktops
[02:19] <tretle_> in the places part of the panel
[02:20] <mrsno> tretle_ can you upload a pic
[02:20] <tretle_> where?
[02:21] <mrsno> tinypic.com/imgplace.com or wherever :)
[02:23] <tretle_> http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=4ue0gba
[02:24] <mrsno> hmm im not sure i remember seeing anything strange
[02:24] <mrsno> ill know in 15mins :)
[02:25] <mrsno> im assuming clicking either desktop/documents link takes you to the correct place?
[02:26] <tretle_> yep
[03:28] <mrsno> tretle_ i do indeed have duplicates :)
[03:29] <mrsno> on the livecd for amd64
[03:29] <mrsno> bug 112602
[03:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 112602 in gcc-2.95 "I cant use my c compiler using a live cd.I dont know where it is." [Undecided,Invalid]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/112602
[03:29] <mrsno> err whoops
[03:30] <mrsno> bug 122602
[03:30] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 122602 in gnome-panel "Duplicated entries in Places Menu" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/122602
[03:58] <forceflow> does anyone know if gutsy is going to have better dual screen support? i really want to start dualing, but i also love my beryl:( and xgl gets quite angry when i try to dual, and ati's dual support really sucks as well
[03:59] <RAOF> If you're reliant on the fglrx drivers, then Gutsy can't help you.  Free drivers will have better dual-screen support.
[03:59] <lamalex> forceflow: what ati card do you ahve?
[04:00] <forceflow> x300
[04:01] <lamalex> a lot of work is being done on X series cards right now for the free driver
[04:01] <RAOF> forceflow: Rejoice, for your card is supported by the free drivers
[04:02] <lamalex> RAOF: 3d as well?
[04:02] <lamalex> last I checked it was not
[04:02] <RAOF> lamalex: Yes.  3D in Feisty, too.
[04:03] <RAOF> !ati
[04:03] <ubotu> To install the Ati/NVidia drivers for your video card, see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto
[04:03] <RAOF> Bah, wrong factlet.
[04:03] <DanaG> !radeon
[04:03] <DanaG> !r300
[04:03] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about r300 - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[04:03] <RAOF> ubotu Use the "fglrx" driver if you have a Radeon newer than an X800 or want TV-Out capabilities: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BinaryDriverHowto/ATI - Use the "ati" driver for everything else..
[04:04] <RAOF> There it is.  That's #ubuntu-effects only.
[04:05] <lamalex> thanks
[04:05] <lamalex> hmm maybe i'll switch back from nvidia to my X300
[04:05] <lamalex> although, my 7600GT is definately more powerful
[04:06] <DanaG> *BLINK*
[04:06] <DanaG> *BLINK*
[04:06] <DanaG> (and so on...)
[04:06] <lamalex> mhm
[04:06] <RAOF> Yeah.  It sucks.  Oh, and breaking resume-from-suspend with compiz
[04:06] <DanaG> I actually have resume working.
[04:07] <DanaG> I had to edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[04:07] <DanaG> to set a few things.  Let me dig them up.
[04:07] <RAOF> DanaG: With compiz?  Because I tried what you did, and it still broke
[04:07] <DanaG> SAVE_VBE_STATE=false # was true            POST_VIDEO=false # was true               SAVE_VIDEO_PCI_STATE=true
[04:07] <RAOF> Yup.  Got that.
[04:08] <DanaG> Oh, and I have now gone back to nvagp not set to anything specific, and I have un-blacklisted agpgart and intel-agp.
[04:08] <RAOF> Maybe that fixes the 100 series drivers, but not the 9 series.
[04:08] <DanaG> Aah.
[04:12] <DanaG> I remember that release notes for 100-series say stuff about fixing console restoration.
[04:13] <RAOF> Yeah
[05:06] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.22/+bug/121833
[05:07] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off when at idle or on battery." [Undecided,New] 
[05:07] <DanaG> I'm somewhat surprised there haven't been any more responses.
[05:12] <RAOF> DanaG: Yeah.  Someone needs to triage it, but I'm not really sure how to.  Maybe you could pipe up in #ubuntu-bugs about it?
[05:33] <Kain> How do you upgrade from feisty using command line? 'do-release-upgrade -d' will not work(as I assumed)? I have no gui.
[05:33] <Dana1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/knetworkmanager/+bug/121895
[05:33] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121895 in knetworkmanager "knetworkmanager systray right-click and left-click behaviors have swapped places" [Undecided,New] 
[05:34] <Dana1> Hmm, what's the process for saying, "I second that!", in a way?
[05:49] <DanaG> !telepathy
[05:49] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about telepathy - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[05:52] <DanaG> !info galago
[05:52] <ubotu> Package galago does not exist in gutsy
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[06:01] <RAOF> Kain: "sudo sed -i s/feisty/gutsy/ /etc/apt/sources.list && sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" should work, but I strongly recommend against it unless you've got local access.
[06:02] <RAOF> DanaG: What are you after?  I've recently tried telepathy
[06:02] <DanaG> I'm just curious what it is.
[06:02] <DanaG> I'm trying to find a voice-chat app to use under Linux.
[06:02] <RAOF> Ah.  It's an IM/VoIP/Webcam framework
[06:03] <RAOF> Basically, if you want to communicate with someone else over the internet, it wants to help you :)
[06:04] <DanaG> I wish there were support for voice over the AIM or Yahoo protocols.
[06:04] <DanaG> Or at least however Google does their stuff.
[06:05] <RAOF> Telepathy should do Jingle (VoIP with XMMP, which is what Google uses I believe)
[06:06] <DanaG> What UI apps are there?
[06:06] <DanaG> "Empathy" doesn't seem to remember accounts.
[06:06] <Kain> um jabbin?
[06:06] <RAOF> I'm not sure if there are any Telepathy _clients_ that will export that functionality, though :/
[06:06] <RAOF> DanaG: Empathy worked for me (tm)
[06:06] <RAOF> Although it was kinda basic
[06:07] <DanaG> Perhaps it's because I was also trying another client at the same time, and they were clashing.
[06:07] <RAOF> Eh, maybe?
[06:08] <DanaG> Nope, doesn't save.
[06:08] <DanaG> ** (empathy:21341): DEBUG: check_for_accounts: No enabled accounts
[06:09] <RAOF> Odd.  Try running mission-control first?
[06:09] <DanaG> OOpsie, I should've thought of that.
[06:09] <DanaG> ** (empathy:21341): DEBUG: mission_control_get_presence_actual: MC not running.
[06:10] <DanaG> ** (process:21512): DEBUG: Could not open plugin directory: Error opening directory '/usr/lib/mission-control': No such file or directory
[06:11] <DanaG> aah, that was just a warning.
[06:12] <RAOF> Do you actually have mission-control installed?
[06:12] <RAOF> My empathy worked without it running, anyway
[06:13] <DanaG> Yeah, now that I ran mission-control (detached from console), empathy works.
[06:13] <DanaG> However, it lacks voice functionality.
[06:14] <DanaG> Bummer.
[06:17] <RAOF> Yeah
[06:19] <DanaG> And Teamspeak needs a server.
[06:26] <DanaG> I wonder if there's a way to use PulseAudio for voice chat.
[06:26] <DanaG> Er, I'd imagine there is a way, but I don't know how to do it.
[06:34] <DanaG> Dang, are there no good voice-chat apps, then?
[06:34] <DanaG> I don't want to have to have my friends create new accounts on new sites.
[06:35] <RAOF> DanaG: There's skype and ekiga, pretty much
[06:37] <DanaG> Hmm, I haven't tried ekiga.  I hope it's not 'fugly' like Skype.
[06:38] <RAOF> Installed by default
[06:38] <DanaG> Cool.
[06:38] <RAOF> The replacement for gnome-netmeeting
[06:44] <DanaG> Okay, now to get it to use pulseaudio....
[06:44] <RAOF> Ekiga?  It should by default
[06:45] <RAOF> Or haven't you set alsa to use pulse?
[06:45] <DanaG> I leave most stuff to default directly to the onboard audio device.
[06:45] <DanaG> Eeh, I'll try that, though.
[06:50] <DanaG> ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
[06:51] <calc> gizmo works great
[06:52] <DanaG> gizmo?
[06:52] <calc> gizmoproject.org
[06:52] <calc> and grandcentral (google's new baby) can terminate to gizmoproject for free
[06:52] <calc> so you only pay $0.02/min for US calls and free inbound
[06:55] <DanaG> ekiga: pcm_params.c:2351: sndrv_pcm_hw_params: Assertion `err >= 0' failed.
[06:55] <DanaG> when I try to test sound events.
[07:04] <RAOF> Well, that's something good to know.  You can install Gutsy from a USB stick :)
[07:04] <Jordan_U> Anyone running Gutsy with Desktop Effects working want to test something for me ( see if VNC is still broken ) ?
[07:05] <DanaG> Oh yay, that worked.
[07:06] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I wonder why there's an <OLD PCM> and <Old Mic> entry in Alsamixer....
[07:06] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Gutsy is insulting your ancient hardware :)
[07:07] <DanaG> Ancient?  It's a cardbus Audigy.  Is that ancient?  (yeah, that was a joke.)
[07:21] <Jordan_U> DanaG, Do you have Desktop Effects working?
[07:25] <DanaG> Oh yeah, I have compiz-fusion, but not through the desktop-effects panel.
[07:25] <DanaG> I just run it manually after my session starts.
[07:25] <DanaG> I also use compizconfig-settings-manager.
[07:26] <bur[n] e1> dana's hip :)  I'm lovin fusion, i think hte 3d plugin is missing though
[07:26] <RAOF> Not so much missing as unfinished
[07:27] <bur[n] e1> either way, it's still rockin pretty hard.  the cube reflection is neat and I like the new default transitions
[07:30] <DanaG> Oh yeah, does ekiga use UPnP?
[07:31] <DanaG> I love the extra-wavy magic lamp -- it looks far better than Apple's nonwavy one, in my opinion.
[07:31] <DanaG> It reminds me of slurping on a noodle.
[07:42] <DanaG> That's what's so great about it: you can set it to many different animations.
[07:42] <DanaG> With Vista, it's fixed.  MS way or the highway.
[07:45] <RoC_MasterMind> Actually I'd say Vista is rather unfixed.
[07:45] <DanaG> Right, good catch of wording.
[07:45] <DanaG> It's broken and locked.
[07:46] <DanaG> I beta-tested Vista, and all I got was a free copy of Ultimate -- and it's still buggy!
[07:47] <RoC_MasterMind> It's not ready for the desktop yet.
[07:47] <bur[n] e1> not even close
[07:47] <RoC_MasterMind> That's my favorite one
[07:47] <bur[n] e1> ms has some neat points though... I like the copy file dialog in vista compared to both XP and nautilus
[07:48] <RoC_MasterMind> Like slow?
[07:48] <bur[n] e1> it gives you time estimate and # of files done and pending similar to a web browser download
[07:48] <RoC_MasterMind> oh
[07:48] <bur[n] e1> nautilus says 1 of 5, 4 of 5, etc, but it doesn't give a time
[07:48] <RoC_MasterMind> I heard it will sit there for two minutes when you empty the recycle bin...calculates the time remaining for two minutes, and then it takes 1 second to delete the files.
[07:49] <bur[n] e1> lol
[07:49] <RoC_MasterMind> Not the best way to do that.
[07:49] <bur[n] e1> no, however, gnome could do it right :)
[07:49] <RoC_MasterMind> They guy said he didn't even get to see it's wonderful estimate that it had sat there thinking over.
[07:51] <RoC_MasterMind> is that new?
[07:51] <RoC_MasterMind> mine deletes files so fast i never get the chance to wait
[07:52] <DanaG> Perhaps it depends on IDE drivers, or something.
[07:52] <DanaG> I know if I install Intel's AHCI drivers, write caching is disabled.  I have to revert to generic drivers.
[07:52] <RAOF> Woah, that must suck
[07:54] <DanaG> Oh, and worse: if something breaks, such as the print spooler, you're screwed.  In most Linux distros, you can just purge and reinstall the relevant packages.
[07:54] <DanaG> Oh, and don't forget:
[07:54] <DanaG> The display driver nvlddmkm.sys stopped responding and was successfully restarted.
[07:55] <bur[n] e1> RAOF: no lie?
[07:56] <bur[n] e1> RAOF: maybe it's smb connections that it doesnt?
[07:56] <RAOF> That's possible
[07:57] <DanaG> I mean, in artwork.
[07:57] <DanaG> Grub->bootsplash->{gdm,kdm}->{gnome,kde} -- it all matches.
[07:58] <DanaG> Though I don't like blue -- it's overused, in my opinion.  I like the Ubuntu orange, or even Gentoo purple.
[07:59] <DanaG> Argh, I find that white on black hurts my eyes.
[07:59] <bur[n] e1> the linuxmint green is nice!
[08:15] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[08:15] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] 
[09:11] <Jordan_U> Anyone running Gutsy with Desktop Effects working want to test something for me ( see if VNC is still broken ) ?
[09:12] <Amaranth> Jordan_U: it is
[09:19] <Jordan_U> :(
[09:19] <Jordan_U> Amaranth, I know it is set to a high priority but what do you think are the chances that this will be fixed by release?
[09:20] <Amaranth> slim to none
[09:20] <Amaranth> except for making vnc just refuse to work at all when compiz is running
[11:34] <amjad_> on my laptop the tribe 2 CD has trouble with the tty interface while booting up, anybody knows how to solve it?
[12:21] <eagles0513875> !ru |zrg
[12:21] <ubotu> zrg:    #ubuntu-ru       /  Pozhalujsta vojdite v #ubuntu-ru dlq pomoshchi na russkom qzyke
[12:21] <eagles0513875> anyone up for helpign me debug a problem
[12:22] <zrg> eagles0513875, that was an /ame, never mind ;)
[12:22] <eagles0513875> lol sry
[12:22] <eagles0513875> zrg: could u help me debug some issues im having
[12:23] <zrg> no, because i have to go to Latvian IOI team training
[12:23] <eagles0513875> kool
[12:23] <eagles0513875> have fun
[12:23] <eagles0513875> can anyone help me debug a problem im having
[12:42] <nysosym> hi there, i have installed gutsy tribe 2 with all recent updates, but now my desktop doesn't load correctly, with more precession, after login the desktop shows only the cursor and the background color. Known bug and any workaround?
[12:46] <nysosym> no idea?
[01:44] <Jaghound> initramfs broke for me after apt today; no /dev/disk/by-uuid found
[01:45] <Jaghound> luckily root=/dev/hda1 worked, and after boot the dir was there
[01:45] <Jaghound> something fishy with udev?
[01:49] <databuddy> so getting a shiney new machine :>
[01:50] <starz> pentium d925 2gigs ram keeping agp nvidia 6200 256mb vid card etc
[02:24] <mrsno> anyone tried gnash? causes X to restart :-)
[05:58] <rjek> Greetings.  I have a ThinkPad X61t, with an IPW3495 wireless controller.  This works a treat in Fiesty, but for various reasons I need to run 2.6.22 (power management's awful on Santa Rosa stuff with .20).  I backported Gutsy's 2.6.22-8.  Everything works a treat bar the wireless, as the packages don't include the firmware or the kernel module.
[05:58] <rjek> What can I do?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> backport the restricted modules and such too?
[05:59] <Hobbsee> if you're on a backporting spreee
[05:59] <rjek> Done that.
[05:59] <rjek> It doesn't include the drivers or the firmware.
[06:01] <rjek> Also, I've tried a fresh install from Tribe 2, but that doesn't drive my wireless either.
[06:04] <kylem> rjek, linux-ubuntu-modules.
[06:04] <kylem> rjek, you want to install those as well.
[06:04] <rjek> Right, OK.
[06:04] <rjek> Any idea why it still didn't work with tribe 2, then?
[06:05] <kylem> no.
[06:05] <rjek> I'll give that a shot.  Ta.
[06:09] <Hobbsee> hiya kylem
[06:10] <rjek> kylem: Woo, it works.  Thanks.
[06:10] <rjek> Now all I've got to get working is the touchpad :)
[06:10] <rjek> s/pad/screen/
[06:10] <rjek> I think I'm going to have to wait until gutsy for the accerlated graphics driver and screen rotation though.
[06:13] <hansin321> Where does one make a package request/change for Gutsy?  I see Gutsy still uses 'centericq', but I think the good work going forward will be with the fork 'centerim'.  At least that is my interpretation.
[06:13] <kylem> rjek, please keep me posted on the touchscreen.
[06:14] <kylem> i know someone who'd be interested in the progress with that.
[06:14] <rjek> Is centerim not packaged in addition to centericq?
[06:14] <rjek> kylem: I'm at a bit of a dead end.  I know it's a WACOM, but that's it.  There seems to be several different ways that WACOM touchscreens connect.
[06:14] <rjek> Some are serial, some are serial over USB, and others are freaky thing over USB.
[06:15] <rjek> I can't get any life out of it at all
[06:15] <Kinnison> s'annoying 'cos my wacom just shows up as /dev/input/wacom and works
[06:16] <hansin321> BTW, I made a sort of negative comment on the boot splash screen for Ubuntu a little while back.  On closer look, the current version looks pretty sharp.  I suppose I was thinking back to the older version.  Anyway, it looks pretty good, and current boot time in Gutsy seems pretty fast.
[06:16] <hansin321> Is Gutsy moving more and more stuff into Upstart (and hence the faster boot times)?
[06:17] <Zapek> a shame the progress bar is not centered
[06:17] <rjek> Ah, I also have to get my sound working.
[06:17] <rjek> That doesn't yet.
[06:17] <rjek> (ICH8 Intel HD Audio with an Analog Devices 1984HD codec)
[06:17] <hansin321> Zapek: I didn't notice that, but I'll check it out.  Boots fast though I think.
[06:18] <Zapek> hansin321: well, it only happens on my laptop. 1920 pixels wide screen
[06:19] <hansin321> Zapek: Ah, that makes senses.
[06:26] <eagles0513875> anyone up for helping me wiht some bug hunting
[06:29] <hwilde> I have a minimal system installed on a 2G flashcard, and I want to dist-upgrade.  Is there a way to upgrade only the existing packages?   If I run apt-get dist-upgrade it runs out of diskspace installing unnecessary packages.
[06:29] <eagles0513875> dude did u change the repositories
[06:29] <eagles0513875> what version u distupgradig from and to
[06:29] <hwilde> I mean upgrade ONLY what is currently there and nothing else - I have very limited diskspace
[06:30] <Hobbsee> dont use the update-manager for it then, use apt
[06:30] <eagles0513875> Hobbsee: u r up rather late
[06:30] <Hobbsee> yes
[06:30] <hwilde> I did apt-get dist-upgrade and it went from 1.5G to 2.7G
[06:30] <rjek> Also make sure you don't have something like ubuntu-desktop installed, which may pull in loads of other stuff.
[06:30] <hwilde> but it installed all sorts of stuff that I don't want
[06:30] <eagles0513875> the do sudo apt-get autoclean
[06:31] <hwilde> the problem is I don't have 2.7G to work with, only 2.0
[06:31] <hwilde> but I have it down to 1.5G now
[06:32] <hwilde> :/
[06:32] <eagles0513875> hwilde: u trying to do something along the lines of solid state
[06:32] <hwilde> am I ?
[06:33] <hwilde> example: I have gnome and open-office completely removed, but dist-upgrade installs them again.
[06:33] <eagles0513875> someone told me that there r certain types of compact flash cards used for solid state
[06:33] <eagles0513875> hwilde: dont do dist upgrade just do upgrade
[06:33] <rjek> Apparently, my touchscreen is a HID device attached the the LPC Interface Controller.  wtf is LPC?
[06:34] <hwilde> just upgrade does not upgrade the kernel...  and yes I am using a 2G compact flash from silicon systems
[06:35] <hwilde> I have the upgrade done on a harddrive, but I cannot resize the partition down to 2G to ghost to the flashcard
[06:36] <hwilde> only 1.5G are used, but parted and gparted and qtparted will not resize bc it says error about features
[06:37] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parted/+bug/91554
[06:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 91554 in parted "[Feisty]  parted can't resize ext3 partition created by installer  (dup-of: 59620)" [Undecided,New] 
[06:37] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 59620 in parted "This ext2 filesystem has a rather strange layout (newer ext2/ext3)" [Medium,Confirmed] 
[06:37] <hwilde> Error: File system has an incompatible feature enabled.
[06:37] <hwilde> I found the features with dumpe2fs but how can I know which one is incompatible and how to disable the feature?
[06:43] <void^> (why bother? why not just 'cp -a' the filesystem?)
[06:43] <eagles0513875> hwilde: good luck on the solid state thing u got going for urself
[06:44] <hwilde> if I mount the hd and the flashcard I can just cp -a ?
[06:44] <hwilde> will it preserve permissions and symlinks
[06:44] <hwilde> I tried using dd and ghosting the partition locally, but the data does not appear to be compressed to the beginning of the harddrive, so it did not all get to the flashcard
[06:45] <void^> -a is short for -dpR which is preserve perms and links and recursively
[06:45] <hwilde> sweet I will try this now
[06:45] <eagles0513875> hwilde: what format do u have it in
[06:45] <rjek> ext on flash?  eww.
[06:45] <hwilde> ext3
[06:45] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:46] <hwilde> this is bad?
[06:46] <eagles0513875> rjek: he is going for solid state
[06:46] <eagles0513875> no i love ext3 but i havent tried with solid state
[06:46] <hwilde> it runs fine on Ubuntu 5.10, 6.06, 6.10
[06:46] <eagles0513875> dude then u have a solid state drive
[06:46] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:47] <hwilde> yeah but they changed cpu's on the hardware to celeron d, and now it gets CPU soft lockup detected
[06:47] <hwilde> so i am hoping to upgrade kernels to feisty and then gutsy and that bug will be fixed
[06:48] <hwilde> [17179608.46400]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[06:48] <eagles0513875> hwilde: careful with gutsy
[06:48] <eagles0513875> especially if u do a dist upgrade
[06:48] <eagles0513875> and all that stuff i got a nasty bug with apport and adept notifier when i did that and i wasnt on solid state
[06:48] <hwilde> not much to lose  -- it already locks up
[06:49] <hwilde> unless you can tell me how to fix that error [17179608.46400]  BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[06:49] <hwilde> I have no choice but to upgrade kernels and hope
[06:50] <eagles0513875> hwilde: after adept notifier crashed apport would load processes till i had no more swap and my comp was so bogged down i had to do a hard restart
[06:50] <eagles0513875> give me the exact link to ur bug report hwilde
[06:50] <eagles0513875> hwilde: how do u have it hooked up to your computer
[06:50] <rjek> hwilde: Generally it's best to avoid hard disc file systems on flash, 'cause you'll just burn holes in them.
[06:50] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:51] <eagles0513875> soild state still has tons of bugs
[06:51] <rjek> No it doesn't.
[06:51] <hwilde> I didn't post a new bug report since there are so many already...
[06:51] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/63418
[06:51] <hwilde> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.20/+bug/108355
[06:51] <hwilde> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/60053
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 63418 in linux-source-2.6.17 "CPU soft lockup during boot if ipw3945 kill switch is on" [High,Confirmed] 
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 108355 in linux-source-2.6.20 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0 After "Loading Gnome Display Manager" in 7.04 Full" [High,Confirmed] 
[06:51] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 60053 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:52] <eagles0513875> one bug at a time
[06:52] <hwilde> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.17/+bug/64125
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 64125 in linux-source-2.6.17 "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0! (dup-of: 63418)" [Undecided,Confirmed] 
[06:53] <hwilde> they are all related to the error message BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!
[06:53] <eagles0513875> hwilde: i dont know how much im going ot be able to help ya
[06:57] <eagles0513875> you know u could just download the kernel source and then complie the skernel from source
[06:57] <hwilde> I can't even resize a partition and you want me to recompile the kernel from source...
[06:57] <hwilde> rjek, aside from flash what would you recommend for a mobile application that cannot use a harddrive?
[06:57] <eagles0513875> what u trying to do thats mobile
[06:57] <hwilde> the flashcard drives a mobile robot.  harddrives with moving parts don't last very long with all the vibration and movement
[06:57] <hwilde> we have seen some of the silicon systems compact flashcards last over 8 months and counting
[06:57] <eagles0513875> ur actually entering solid state
[06:57] <eagles0513875> have u tried ubuntu server which is just a cli
[06:57] <rjek> hwilde: Why can't you use a hard drive, out of interest?
[06:57] <eagles0513875> rjek: its probably a rather small robot
[06:57] <hwilde> the harddrives die.  the robot moves around
[06:57] <eagles0513875> lol
[06:57] <rjek> I'd use flash if you really couldn't, just not using a hard drive file system.  Look at something like JFFS2 or YAFS.
[06:57] <hwilde> what is wrong with ext3 on a flashcard ?
[06:57] <eagles0513875> hwilde: try ubuntu server its just a cli and its more light weight
[06:57] <rjek> The journal will burn a hole in the flash.
[06:58] <rjek> flash has comparitively few rewrite cycles compared to a hard disc.
[06:58] <eagles0513875> lol and u know u can by 4gb and 8gb cf
[06:58] <rjek> (measured in the thousands rather than millions)
[06:58] <hwilde> ubuntu server does not include all of the necessary drivers and libraries.
[06:58] <rjek> hwilde: Ubuntu Server is just Ubuntu without ubuntu-desktop installed.  Identical packages are available.
[06:58] <rjek> The server install just lets you have finer control over what's installed by default.
[06:59] <hwilde> well the point is I have what I want installed, so why can't I just upgrade that only without all the bloat
[06:59] <hwilde> I have it down to 1.5G with no problems
[06:59] <hwilde> but when I do the dist-upgrade it bloats to 2.7G
[06:59] <hwilde> then I can pare it down to 1.5G again
[06:59] <hwilde> but why does it install so much unnecessary additional packages
[06:59] <nysosym> i can take the master volume to zero, but when i switch pcm to max, i hear sound O.o?
[06:59] <rjek> 1.5GB still quite a lot if you're using it for something embedded.
[07:00] <rjek> Remember, when upgrading it needs to download all the packages, so you need space for the.
[07:00] <rjek> hwilde: You're trying to install a modern desktop OS into the space PCs had 10 years ago.
[07:00] <rjek> hwilde: Use the server install, and only install what you need.
[07:05] <eagles0513875> hwilde: good luck
[07:23] <eagles0513875> hwilde: how did it go
[07:49] <Drakeson> where is emacs?
[07:49] <Drakeson> not emacs21 of course
[07:52] <eagles0513875> sudo apg-get install emacs
[07:54] <Drakeson> eagles0513875: and is it emacs21 it installs?
[07:55] <eagles0513875> it might be something new to gutsy
[07:55] <eagles0513875> i guess so
[07:56] <Drakeson> emacs 21 is too old. there used to be emacs-snapshot-gtk, but I don't know what happenned to it
[08:00] <DanaG> !info emacs
[08:00] <ubotu> emacs: The GNU Emacs editor (metapackage). In component main, is optional. Version 21.4a+1-5ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 24 kB, installed size 64 kB
[08:16] <hwilde> eagles0513875, still working on it...
[08:16] <eagles0513875> hows it looking though
[08:19] <DanaG> Here's a bug report I made:
[08:19] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/121833
[08:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 121833 in linux-source-2.6.22 "LCD backlight turns off between brightness levels during fades, and when on battery or at idle" [Undecided,New] 
[08:37] <davmor2> Lo people  is there away to make the live preview work on minimised windows does anyone know please?
[08:41] <Amaranth> davmor2: not possible
[08:42] <davmor2> any reason why I think it would make the feature far more useful
[08:50] <hwilde> void^, the cp -a completed and everything from the harddrive went to the flashcard, now I have to make it bootable somehow?
[08:56] <void^> hwilde: yes, same as a regular harddisk. grub, lilo..
[09:02] <hwilde> void^, it has grub, and I enabled the boot flag, but it just says "Missing operating system"
[09:02] <void^> .. you need to make grub write an appropriate bootsector to it
[09:03] <void^> (and your bios must be capable and willing to boot from it)
[09:03] <hwilde> it boots off of other flashcards
[09:03] <hwilde> and it boots of the harddrive that I "cp -a" 'd to the flashcard
[09:04] <hwilde> it doesn't even get to grub tho
[09:04] <hwilde> grub-install ?
[09:04] <void^> grub-install or grub's shell
[09:06] <hwilde> well I already have the menu.lst
[09:06] <void^> menu.lst isn't required
[10:01] <Karark|away> anyone have trouble with a sidewinder game pad?  i cannot get the D-Pad to work in any emulators but it works in jcalibrate
[10:03] <DanaG> Using gameport or USB?
[10:04] <DanaG> Hmm, often emulators can be tricky to set up.  I haven't used any in a while.
[10:04] <Karark|away> USB
[10:04] <Karark|away> it works in visualboyadnance
[10:04] <Karark|away> advance*
[10:04] <Karark|away> but all others will not detect dpad movements
[10:04] <DanaG> Perhaps some emulators are hard coded to use only joystick (port) devices.
[10:05] <Karark|away> they detect the buttons, though
[10:12] <sayers> What happened to beryl in gusty?
[10:14] <kylem> compiz fusion
[10:14] <sayers> is that better or something?
[10:14] <kylem> yes.
[10:14] <sayers> And how would I install that?
[10:15] <stevo111> yo
[10:15] <stevo111> i need help in enabling the restricted repositories in gutsy beta
[10:15] <kylem> it's a default dependency of ubuntu-desktop now.
[10:15] <sayers> I am on xubuntu
[10:16] <sayers> Ah they are dependencies of this file , I believe I got it
[10:16] <stevo111> i need to get flash player on gutsy beta :)
[10:16] <stevo111> how can i?
[10:16] <SeveredCross> stevo111: System --> Administration --> Software Sources
[10:16] <SeveredCross> Enable Restricted from there.
[10:17] <stevo111> there is no administration
[10:17] <SeveredCross> Though, take note, this is more of a #ubuntu question as it's not really Gutsy-specific.
[10:17] <SeveredCross> Uh....
[10:17] <SeveredCross> What the hell are you using for a Main Menu on your panel?
[10:17] <sayers> Why not tell him the no-failure way SeveredCross , nano /etc/apt/sources.list
[10:18] <stevo111> what do i delete out of that file?
[10:18] <SeveredCross> Uh, you wanna clear out pretty much all the #'s that are in front of any deb line.
[10:19] <sayers> What #'s do are make the system ignore that line, as in most programming languages and etc.
[10:19] <stevo111> ok
[10:19] <stevo111> thanks
[10:19] <stevo111> whats the command for the java?
[10:19] <stevo111> lol
[10:20] <sayers> !wiki
[10:20] <ubotu> http://wiki.ubuntu.com - Ubuntu development documentation wiki. If you are looking for system help, please refer to https://help.ubuntu.com/community - the Ubuntu community documentation.
[10:20] <sayers> That is easier for both of us
[10:20] <stevo111> sudo apt-get ....
[10:20] <sayers> Don't be lazy or you will get no where
[10:20] <stevo111> lol
[10:20] <stevo111> bish
[10:20] <stevo111> thanks for your help though
[10:21] <SeveredCross> For Java? Try just: java
[10:21] <SeveredCross> If you need the compiler, javac
[10:21] <SeveredCross> Though you may have to install gcj or the sun jdk, whichever pleases you.
[10:21] <stevo111> i just want it for games
[10:22] <stevo111> ;p;
[10:22] <stevo111> lol
[10:22] <SeveredCross> WTF, why are my temps so high...
[10:22] <SeveredCross> Oh, because the load is insane...Hmm.
[10:22] <sayers> SeveredCross, :p
[10:22] <SeveredCross> What's driving it so high though.
[10:22] <sayers> ACPI?
[10:22] <SeveredCross> No, Wine.
[10:22] <sayers> No....
[10:22] <stevo111> :O
[10:23] <sayers> Acpi is a power manager
[10:23] <SeveredCross> I know what ACPI is.
[10:23] <sayers> maybe your motherboard doesn't have it
[10:23] <sayers> My old one didn't
[10:23] <SeveredCross> Uh...how is this relevant to my temperatures being high
[10:23] <SeveredCross> ACPI controls the fans, but it doesn't do a very good job on my laptop.
[10:23] <sayers> because if the fans are on Full Speed they create more heat over time
[10:24] <sayers> My computer is loud because two of my fans are manual
[10:24] <sayers> accutely 3
[10:24] <SeveredCross> Uh.....you're telling me that they create more heat that isn't totally neutralized by the fact that they're running at full speed?
[10:24] <SeveredCross> That's the most insane thing I've ever heard.
[10:24] <sayers> Well that's what happened
[10:24] <sayers> on my old case
[10:24] <sayers> which had no vents
[10:25] <sayers> My old computer was store-bought, this one is all hand-put-together, none the less, Your processes, why not use the System Manager thinger and sort through usage
[10:25] <SeveredCross> Well, no shit it's going to happen there.
[10:25] <SeveredCross> Where are you going to vent air if there's no vents, of course it's going to get hot.
[10:25] <SeveredCross> I already checked, it was wine tweaking out for some reason.
[10:25] <stevo111> !language SeveredCross:
[10:25] <sayers> What would wine be on for?
[10:25] <stevo111> oops
[10:26] <stevo111> lol
[10:26] <SeveredCross> I was running a Windows app whose functionality I just can't duplicate with any Linux app.
[10:26] <sayers> Ah
[10:26] <sayers> Are there any torrent programs like Ktorrent in stile with out the kde dependencies
[10:27] <SeveredCross> Deluge is my favorite.
[10:28] <sayers> Isn't that slow or was I just imagining that ?
[10:28] <SeveredCross> It works okay for me.
[10:28] <sayers> I'll see how it runs on XFCE which is very sexy looking after a little changing
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[11:26] <slimz> is the plugin that lifts the windows off the cube not installed by default?
[11:29] <slimz> i forgot what its called
[11:35] <askand> Will ubuntu be more or less resource demanding?
[11:35] <slimz> askand : compared to what?
[11:36] <askand> slimz: hrm sorry gutsy compared to feisty
[11:36] <slimz> askand, im running it on a pentium m 1.6 and it flies
[11:36] <slimz> askand, hrmm cant really answer that
[11:36] <slimz> askand, sorry
[11:36] <askand> slimz: ok
[11:37] <askand> Anyone else here that ca answer?
[11:46] <Trewas> I haven't noticed any difference, and don't know of any reason to expect there to be any dramatic difference compared to feisty
[11:48] <SeveredCross> Gutsy uses a bit less RAM for me.
[11:49] <askand>  SeveredCross: ok nice..so its notlike vista (i have to buy new computer) ;)
[11:49] <SeveredCross> Nope.
[11:50] <SeveredCross> Actually, I have a lot of RAM usage right now but that's not Gutsy's fault.
[11:50] <SeveredCross> That's mine.
[11:50] <askand> SeveredCross: how come?
[11:50] <SeveredCross> Actually, I don't know.
[11:50] <SeveredCross> I'm not sure...
[11:50] <SeveredCross> System Monitor doesn't show anything.
[11:51] <SeveredCross> Hmm.
[11:51] <SeveredCross> The two instances of Xorg would do it.
[11:51] <SeveredCross> Two instances at 100 MB RAM each.
[11:51] <askand> SeveredCross: Ok..I got compiz.realprocessthat is 20% :S
[11:55] <SeveredCross> Oops, killed the wrong X...