[12:17] <mrevell> Depending on getting your approval and your requirements matching what we think is necessary, we'd ideally like to the Launchpad code rolled-out for our 1.1.8 release due 22 August 2007.
[12:17] <MikeB-> Matt, Ryan and Launchpad developer have talked before, the discussion has not gotten far. In fact the forums asked to have peoples forum username listed on their LP account, but it was shot down since LP is not just a Ubuntu project
[12:18] <KiwiNZ> Will this add extra steps for our customers
[12:19] <KiwiNZ> Its important thatusers needing help can access the forums quickly
[12:19] <mrevell> MikeB-: I'd certainly like to hear about previous discussions but this is a new proposal that we hope could make life easier for forums users.
[12:19] <forumsmatthew> will the current 342,404 forums users all have to register for launchpad accounts if they don't already have them? that will be an interesting logistic challenge
[12:19] <KiwiNZ> especially with the Likes of Dell users
[12:19] <MikeB-> https://bugs.launchpad.net/launchpad/+bug/102204
[12:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 102204 in launchpad "UbuntuForums username in Launchpad Profile" [Undecided,New] 
[12:19] <mrevell> KiwiNZ: Sigining up for a Launchpad account is quick and painless and would be easily done from the Ubuntu Forums.
[12:19] <mrevell> forumsmatthew: I'll come to that in a sec :)
[12:20] <mrevell> thanks MikeB-
[12:20] <mrevell> Depending on getting your approval and your requirements matching what we think is necessary, we'd ideally like to the Launchpad code rolled-out for our 1.1.8 release due 22 August 2007. If testing goes well, we could start the process of allowing forums users to claim Launchpad accounts soon after.
[12:20] <mrevell> So, that's our proposal.
[12:21] <mrevell> forumsmatthew: We could create a new Launchpad account for any forums users who don't claim an account within the period you decide
[12:21] <mrevell> forumsmatthew: It is a lot of people but I'm assured that it's not a problem for us to handle.
[12:21] <KiwiNZ> brb phone
[12:21] <mrevell> forumsmatthew: If there are specific technical reassurances that you'd like, then I can put you in touch with the relevant developer.
[12:21] <forumsmatthew> I'm interested, but undecided. I would really want to hear ubuntu-geek's take on the technical aspects of the idea
[12:22] <forumsmatthew> I know there are some non-FC people with comments. Anyone want to ask a question or give some thoughts?
[12:22] <MikeB-> I think it is a fine idea, but I think there should be an option to allow people only to have an forum account. the whole launchpad thing may scare away new users
[12:23] <forumsmatthew> MikeB-, +1
[12:23] <mrevell> MikeB-: I agree that signing up for an account should be as unscary as it is now.
[12:23] <MikeB-> I think Ubuntu-geek needs to be apart of this discussion.
[12:23] <MikeB-> also
[12:24] <forumsmatthew> MikeB-, +1 again. I couldn't and wouldn't decide on this without him present
[12:24] <mrevell> MikeB-: If ubuntu-geek is not available right now then I'd be more than happy to talk to you guys another time this week when ubuntu-geek is around.
[12:24] <SD-Plissken> What will be done about those members who don't want a launchpad account? Reason being there's members who only like to participate in certain sections of the forums that do not deal with support.
[12:24] <forumsmatthew> he is stuck in traffic and hopes to get here soon
[12:24] <mrevell> forumsmatthew: Ah, I see
[12:24] <Burgundavia> SD-Plissken: there are lots of user who have LP accounts only for the Ubuntu wiki
[12:25] <beuno> I have a comment about integrating Launchpad and the Forums from a different perspective, bugs. So whenever it's appropriate, please let me know  :D
[12:25] <Burgundavia> so it probably better to think of LP as an Ubuntu-specific OpenID thingy
[12:25] <forumsmatthew> beuno, go ahead
[12:25] <mrevell> SD-Plissken: Hi. For those users, there's no obligation on them to participate in Launchpad or other parts of the Ubuntu community that use Launchpad for authentication. To them, LP would just be where their username and password are stored. They'd still log in as usual.
[12:25] <MikeB-> Matt, can you e-mail your proposal to forums-council@lists.ubuntu.com if Ubuntu-geek does not make it in time. So discussion can happen before you 22-Aug-07 deadline?
[12:25] <mrevell> Burgundavia: That's a good way to think of it.
[12:26] <mrevell> MikeB-: Sure, I'll do that tomorrow (getting late here).
[12:26] <mrevell> beuno: Happy to take your question if the council guys feel we have time.
[12:26] <MikeB-> beuno: it is an open forum, please go ahead
[12:26] <beuno> thanks forumsmatthew, basically I've been trying for months to integrate launchpad bugs into forum threads, so it's easier to know if a problem is still relevant 6 months later, I have already explained it well enoguh a few times, so I'll just paste the links: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-March/001184.html and https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/launchpad-users/2007-March/001219.html aaand http://ubuntuforums.org/showth
[12:26] <beuno> read.php?p=2299093
[12:27] <mrevell> beuno: Thank you. May I re-read those posts and come back to you tomorrow on the launchpad-users list?
[12:27] <Vorian> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2299093
[12:27] <beuno> mrevell: sure, but, in this case, it's more a forum thing then Launchpad
[12:28] <jdong> hi I'm back
[12:28] <jdong> did you miss me?
[12:28] <PriceChild> If launchpad accounts can be created on launchpad "seamlessly" from existing ubuntuforums member accounts, I don't think we should worry about users not wanting a launchpad account SD-Plissken. Its one more push in the right direction for a lot of users to try and get involved somehow, and if they don't want a launchpad account, then they don't want to participate in the community?
[12:28] <jdong> (it was mako's fault)
[12:28] <mrevell> beuno: Ah, okay, I'll use that forum thread
[12:28] <jdong> Vorian: record a +1 to fullcircle for me :)
[12:28] <beuno> mrevell: the forum thread is probably the shortest
[12:28] <Vorian> thanks jdong
[12:29] <mrevell> PriceChild: Yeah, absolutely. It's not a way of making people use Launchpad, it's just a way of giving them one sign-in. If they never want to use Launchpad or the Ubuntu wiki, then they don't have to.
[12:29] <mrevell> MikeB-: So, I'll mail you tomorrow and we can continue the discussion that way. Thank you for your time guys.
[12:29] <forumsmatthew> Thanks, Matt.
[12:29] <beuno> I should also note that I've found a "not very ideal but works" method of making all of that work independently of LP and the forums, which should be deployable the next weeks, but I'd love it if it wasn't something seperate
[12:30] <MikeB-> thanks Matt
[12:30] <beuno> mrevell: thanks, ba bye
[12:30] <mrevell> thanks all
[12:31] <Vorian> thanks mrevell
[12:31] <KiwiNZ> Sorry back again
[12:31] <forumsmatthew> ug is here!
[12:31] <PriceChild> speak of the devil
[12:31] <ubuntugeek> howdy
[12:31] <mrevell> Aha :)
[12:31] <ubuntugeek> i miss anything?
[12:31] <forumsmatthew> yes
[12:31] <jdong> ubuntugeek: cupcakes
[12:31] <ubuntugeek> i love cupcakes
[12:31] <ubuntugeek> cool so were we at?
[12:31] <PriceChild> *gets logs*
[12:31] <mrevell> Would you prefer that I post to the list? Or should I post a small summary?
[12:32] <forumsmatthew> both
[12:32] <forumsmatthew> :)
[12:32] <forumsmatthew> let's see what we can do right now, here
[12:32] <MikeB-> up to you, if you have to go, almost midnight in UK?
[12:32] <forumsmatthew> 22:34
[12:32] <PriceChild> hmm fabionne's logs are awry
[12:32] <forumsmatthew> same as me
[12:32] <PriceChild> 23:32 in uk
[12:32] <KiwiNZ> I need to do a lot of reading about your proposal mrevell especially impact on customer service
[12:32] <ubuntugeek> i got about 20 mins, i'm double booked by accident.
[12:32] <forumsmatthew> really? oh, yeah...summertime
[12:33] <forumsmatthew> okay, let's move that to the FC mailing list for now and hit our last agenda item, then
[12:33] <mrevell> Ok guys, thanks
[12:33] <mrevell> KiwiNZ: Let's chat about this, I'm sure we can make it as smooth as possible.
[12:33] <KiwiNZ> always available
[12:34] <ubuntugeek> Ok whats left on the agenda/
[12:34] <forumsmatthew> staff emeritus
[12:34] <Vorian> 
[12:34] <Vorian> Staff Emeritus
[12:34] <Vorian> Talking about giving special title to ex-staff members.
[12:34] <MikeB-> Staff Emeritus
[12:34] <Vorian> :)
[12:34] <MikeB-> and I'm Lag Emeritus
[12:34] <MikeB-> :)
[12:35] <forumsmatthew> the discussion is whether to give the title to all former staff, or only to those who have distinguished themselves in some way
[12:35] <KiwiNZ> maybe its a bug beuno
[12:36] <mrevell> beuno: I'd like to pick it up from the LP side.
[12:36] <forumsmatthew> "emeritus" is a special term given to one who has previously served in a position, as a way to honor them
[12:36] <beuno> KiwiNZ: I wouldn't, can't see it in the forums  :p
[12:36] <forumsmatthew> it is usually reserved for "above and beyond the call of duty" cases
[12:37] <beuno> mrevell: I'd love to see it implemented on both/any, it would be very useful
[12:37] <KiwiNZ> I agree with the emeritus idea but we need to make sure they are not confused with current staff
[12:37] <forumsmatthew> KiwiNZ, agreed
[12:37] <KiwiNZ> a diferent color
[12:37] <forumsmatthew> so far there are four people who have the title
[12:37] <MikeB-> Kiwi: +1
[12:38] <forumsmatthew> their names are in black, like standard registered users
[12:38] <SD-Plissken> kind of hard to mix the two as it stands. being you guys,and gals are red.
[12:38] <forumsmatthew> but they have a special user rank icon
[12:38] <forumsmatthew> and can give themselves custom user titles, if they want to
[12:38] <ubuntugeek> hmm so your proposal for LP integration would probably cripple the forums from being upgraded in the future.
[12:38] <jdong> may I point out from my experience on another major forum (BBR)....
[12:38] <KiwiNZ> I think its great to recognise contribution
[12:38] <MikeB-> maybe purple
[12:38] <jdong> often users do not understand what "emeritus" means
[12:39] <jdong> so it may be a good idea to link the title to some explanation popup
[12:39] <KiwiNZ> good point
[12:39] <jdong> or less idealy, pick a different word
[12:39] <forumsmatthew> jdong, not a bad idea. I also updated the FAQ
[12:39] <ubuntugeek> it would be a logistical nightmare to make that work
[12:39] <ronnietucker> what about an Honorary Member ?...  :)
[12:39] <jdong> yeah, I understand this is treading on CSS fairies ground
[12:39] <jdong> yeah, Honorary, VIP, etc
[12:40] <jdong> though I love the word emeritus for this
[12:40] <jdong> I have seen cases of confusion on BBR about this
[12:40] <forumsmatthew> I would rather educate people than water down the honor
[12:40] <jdong> forumsmatthew: +1
[12:40] <MikeB-> forumsmatthew, agree
[12:41] <forumsmatthew> do we want to talk about how we will choose people to receive the honor?
[12:41] <PriceChild> we don't explain normal titles, give list of who gets what etc. I think no explanation of "emeritus" should be given. The golden beans, title and individuality will cause people to look up the word.
[12:41] <forumsmatthew> PriceChild, we can only hope so :)
[12:42] <darkmatter> ronnietucker: different thing. emeritus is more "served with honour". we just need a nice synonym for the tiltle that a)makes sense b) sound "lofty" :P and c) is straight to the point
[12:42] <jdong> PriceChild: you're new here, aren't you?
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[12:42] <forumsmatthew> I for one welcome our new emeritus overlords
[12:42] <forumsmatthew> sorry...meme
[12:42] <jdong> :)
[12:42] <darkmatter> lol
[12:43] <jdong> poor Vorian , he's gonna have to edit our lame jokes :D
[12:43] <forumsmatthew> in soviet russia, honor chooses you
[12:43] <darkmatter> jdong: how about "Darth"?
[12:43] <Vorian> jdong, this meeting will require a LOT of editing :)
[12:43] <jdong> Darth?
[12:43] <jdong> Vorian: that's what she said!
[12:43] <darkmatter> instead of emeritus
[12:43] <Vorian> =)
[12:43] <darkmatter> just stick gdarth before the username
[12:43] <forumsmatthew> darth emeritus
[12:43] <jdong> darkmatter: too star war-y
[12:44] <darkmatter> :P
[12:44] <compiledkernel> *shoo**shee*shoo**shee* Luke.....I am your father.....
[12:44] <KiwiNZ> What about Forum Elder
[12:44] <forumsmatthew> so, how shall we choose who to receive the honor
[12:44] <jdong> KiwiNZ: umm....
[12:44] <jdong> I can see females finding that offensive
[12:44] <forumsmatthew> KiwiNZ, that makes them sound old
[12:44] <jdong> and maybe some sensitive males too
[12:44] <PriceChild> majority FC agreement after staff opinion's taken into consideration?
[12:44] <jdong> but anyway, I think we should talk about the concept first
[12:44] <jdong> and not the name
[12:44] <KiwiNZ> its non gender specific
[12:44] <forumsmatthew> PriceChild, I like that
[12:45] <PriceChild> same as what we use for everything else...? :)
[12:45] <jdong> KiwiNZ: I know my mom would hurt me if I called her the Household Elder...
[12:45] <forumsmatthew> any comments on PriceChild 's idea for choosing whom to bestow the honor upon
[12:45] <jdong> my point is it won't always be construed as an honorary title
[12:45] <Vorian> I like "Staff Emeritus" and the golden beans
[12:45] <PriceChild> hehe not exactly my idea :P
[12:45] <jdong> forumsmatthew: yeah, I think that's a good idea
[12:46] <forumsmatthew> are there any objections to choosing the recipients of the honor in this way
[12:46] <forumsmatthew> by anyone?
[12:46] <KiwiNZ> we could just put an explanation of the title staff emeritus and add a role of honour
[12:47] <forumsmatthew> http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?f=48
[12:47] <forumsmatthew> under who are the staff
[12:47] <forumsmatthew> You may see a few people hanging around the forums with an "emeritus staff" title. These are former staff. Emeritus means retired or honorably discharged from active professional duty, but retaining the title of one's office or position: like a dean emeritus of a graduate school; or a newspaper editor in chief emeritus.
[12:47] <forumsmatthew> (I put that in last week...)
[12:47] <MikeB-> sorry back, emergency phone call
[12:47] <KiwiNZ> Add the members of the title as a role of honour under that mathew
[12:48] <forumsmatthew> I can do that
[12:48] <SD-Plissken> forumsmattew they will be picked by their former co-staffers, and final decisions will be made the FC?
[12:48] <KiwiNZ> I think that would cover it
[12:48] <forumsmatthew> nominated by current staff
[12:48] <forumsmatthew> only former staff are eligible
[12:49] <forumsmatthew> chosen by the FC
[12:49] <KiwiNZ> I agree matthew
[12:49] <jdong> likewise
[12:49] <forumsmatthew> any other thoughts from anyone?
[12:49] <SD-Plissken> So not everyone that is nominated will get it?
[12:49] <Vorian> sounds like a winner
[12:50] <forumsmatthew> SD-Plissken, potentially
[12:50] <forumsmatthew> I can't give an absolute answer either way
[12:50] <SD-Plissken> Sounds like the way they run the baseball hall of fame..
[12:50] <Vorian> that's a good model :)
[12:51] <jdong> sorry, not a sports person... is there a history of issues with how baseball halls of fame are run?
[12:51] <forumsmatthew> hey, it's been beta tested by others
[12:51] <SD-Plissken> forumsmattew Are there any limits on the amount of time a person can be nominated?
[12:52] <jdong> I'd expect it to be a single-time event
[12:52] <jdong> unless there is a dispute about integrity of the voting process
[12:52] <forumsmatthew> I don't know that we really intend to codify the process that deeply, though
[12:52] <forumsmatthew> I would think that most of the time the nominees qualifications would be pretty obvious
[12:52] <MikeB-> should be a one time vote
[12:52] <SD-Plissken> jdong you telling me that if the person does not get the FC vote that one time theres no chance for them to be renominated?
[12:53] <KiwiNZ> I agree a single event witha a right of review
[12:53] <forumsmatthew> if they aren't, then we would still be grateful for their contributions, but not give a title
[12:53] <forumsmatthew> just a thought...
[12:53] <ubuntugeek> forumsmatthew sounds good
[12:53] <forumsmatthew> I can recall a certain ex-staff member that would not have been nominated, nor passed, when he left the staff, but who has certainly shown over time that he has earned the title
[12:54] <ubuntugeek> I have to run, but you all have my support in whatever is decided.
[12:54] <compiledkernel> forumsmatthew, have to aggree with you there
[12:54] <forumsmatthew> I don't know that I want to state with finality that there will only be one chance to be voted on ever
[12:54] <compiledkernel> more than one such individual that comes to mind
[12:54] <jdong> SD-Plissken: if they do not receive majority approval, that is the case
[12:55] <SD-Plissken> very well jdong
[12:55] <forumsmatthew> let's say, that would be the trend, but not the absolute, final statement
[12:55] <KiwiNZ> I think its fair to say though that the forum council must always be open to revisit any situation
[12:56] <jdong> but as forumsmatthew said, I wouldn't say it's set in stone
[12:56] <jdong> KiwiNZ: thanks ; that's better than I worded it
[12:56] <forumsmatthew> don't hit <ctrl> a while using xchat
[12:57] <MikeB-> anything else, or should we vote?
[12:57] <forumsmatthew> it closes the window
[12:57] <MikeB-> forumsmatthew, it is a feature, not a bug
[12:57] <MikeB-> :)
[12:57] <forumsmatthew> lol
[12:57] <jdong> forumsmatthew: same with ctrl+w :)
[12:58] <forumsmatthew> eek...another on my list of things to avoid
[12:58] <jdong> yeah
[12:58] <jdong> delete word... oh crap.
[12:58] <jdong> :D
[12:58] <forumsmatthew> I'm +1 on staff emeritus
[12:58] <jdong> i am, too
[12:58] <MikeB-> +1 here
[12:58] <KiwiNZ> yep from me
[12:58] <Vorian> great!
[12:58] <forumsmatthew> okay. I'll add the list of current title holders in the FAQ
[12:58] <forumsmatthew> darkmatter, lol
[12:59] <Vorian> any other items to discuss that are not on the agenda?
[12:59] <KiwiNZ> brb phone grrrrrrrrr
[12:59] <MikeB-> none, unless there is any public comments
[12:59] <forumsmatthew> I think Vorian needs to grow his hair back out and dye it red again
[12:59] <forumsmatthew> that was hot
[12:59] <Vorian> I'm on it forumsmatthew
[12:59] <jdong> That's what she said!
[12:59] <Vorian> :)
[01:00] <jdong> I might hold a that's what she said record across #ubuntu*
[01:00] <KiwiNZ> back
[01:00] <ronnietucker> what happened to the tea? Wasn't someone making tea?  ;)
[01:00] <Vorian> how about deciding on a date/time for the next meeting?
[01:00] <MikeB-> how is this time from everyone?
[01:00] <jdong> good
[01:00] <KiwiNZ> I asked my EA for coffee
[01:00] <jdong> my schedule is uber-flexible now
[01:01] <Vorian> MikeB-, !worksforme
[01:01] <forumsmatthew> FYI, I may not be able to make the meeting in August regardless of when it happens
[01:01] <jdong> yay for having mako as a boss :)
[01:01] <forumsmatthew> in general this time is okay for me
[01:01] <MikeB-> jdong, mako is your boss, cool
[01:01] <forumsmatthew> jdong, sweet
[01:01] <jdong> MikeB-: yeah, it's sweet :D
[01:01] <Vorian> showoff
[01:01] <jdong> Vorian: lol
[01:02] <KiwiNZ> I'll try to be here , someone has to work for a living I guess
[01:02] <MikeB-> Aug 13 or 20 at 22:00?
[01:02] <Vorian> So that would be Aug 20th @ 2200 UTC?
[01:02] <Vorian> oops
[01:02] <KiwiNZ> thats 10am my time
[01:03] <MikeB-> what time would work better for you kiwi?
[01:03] <KiwiNZ> that should be OK
[01:03] <KiwiNZ> I dont have my agenda open but I sent a email to EA to book me
[01:04] <MikeB-> ok AUG 20 at 22:00 sounds like a plan
[01:04] <Vorian> nice
[01:05] <KiwiNZ> cool tat ta for now
[01:05] <forumsmatthew> all right
[01:05] <forumsmatthew> see you gals and gents around
[01:05] <MikeB-> later all, that for coming
[01:05] <MikeB-> thanks for coming
[01:06] <jdong> alright, next time :)
[04:04] <cynics> @schedule shanghai
[04:04] <ubotu> Schedule for Asia/Shanghai: 17 Jul 23:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 18 Jul 03:00: Technical Board | 19 Jul 04:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 04:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jul 23:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 20:00: Edubuntu
[07:51] <jdong> //etc/init.d/nmapper stop
[03:38] <nealmcb> schedule US/Mountain
[03:38] <nealmcb> !schedule US/Mountain
[03:41] <nealmcb> @schedule paris
[03:41] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 17 Jul 17:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 17 Jul 21:00: Technical Board | 18 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 19 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jul 17:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu
[03:41] <nealmcb> @schedule denver
[03:41] <ubotu> Schedule for America/Denver: 17 Jul 09:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 17 Jul 13:00: Technical Board | 18 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 19 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jul 09:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 06:00: Edubuntu
[03:43] <nealmcb> @schedule US/Mountain
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[03:45] <aquo> @schedule Berlin
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[03:58] <greg_g> @schedule Detroit
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[04:20] <soren> @schedule Copenhagen
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[04:25] <dendrobates> @schedule New York
[04:25] <ubotu> Schedule for America/New_York: 17 Jul 11:00: Ubuntu Server Team meeting | 17 Jul 15:00: Technical Board | 18 Jul 16:00: Edubuntu | 19 Jul 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jul 11:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 08:00: Edubuntu
[04:56] <zul> hi
[04:57] <dendrobates> hi
[04:57] <ScottK> Hello.
[04:57] <mathiaz> hi all
[04:58] <ScottK> mathiaz: Did you see my last comment on the Dapper mysql deadlock bug?
[04:59] <lionel> Hi all
[04:59] <mathiaz> ScottK: yes.
[04:59] <soren> o/
[04:59] <soren> Hi, all.
[05:00] <dendrobates> hey soren.
[05:00] <ScottK> Hi soren.
[05:00] <fernando> hi all
[05:00] <ScottK> mathiaz: Cool.
[05:00] <nealmcb> howdy folks
[05:00] <mathiaz> ScottK: we may update mysql-4.1 to the latest version of the serie
[05:01] <ScottK> Ah.
[05:01] <dendrobates> Ok lets get started.
[05:01] <soren> Hi, kees.
[05:01] <mathiaz> ScottK: we can discuss that after the meeting
[05:01] <ScottK> Sure
[05:01] <dendrobates> Welcome to the first public server team meeting
[05:01] <keescook> hiya folks.  :)
[05:01] <soren> \o/
[05:01] <mathiaz> keescook: hiya
[05:02] <nealmcb> agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[05:02] <dendrobates> Lets start with introductions, since we are so new.
[05:02] <dendrobates> nealmcb: Thanks
[05:03] <dendrobates> I am Rick Clark the Technical lead of the Ubuntu server team.
[05:03] <dendrobates> For gutsy I am focused on ldap authentication.
[05:04] <dendrobates> now everybody else.
[05:04] <soren> I'm Soren Hansen (the hacker formerly known as shawarma), I've been around the Ubuntu community for a couple of years now and I'm on the server team working for Canonical.
[05:04] <soren> My primary focus for this release is eBox.
[05:04] <dendrobates> Also state your area of interest in Ubuntu server.
[05:04] <soren> I want to make it cool.
[05:04] <miles> haha
[05:04] <soren> :p
[05:04] <mathiaz> I'm Mathias Gug and I'm an Ubuntu Server developer
[05:04] <nealmcb> I'm Neal McBurnett, running simple ubuntu servers for a number of years, active with the Colorado loco team and looking for ways to get involved in improving especially authentication/authorization support for ubuntu server.  how can we help people test this?  need some environments to test against
[05:05] <keescook> I'm Kees Cook, currently focused on Ubuntu security, and somewhat lurking in the server team until I have more spare cycles to contribute more significantly.  I did the initial packaging of AppArmor, and work on the kernel integration bits.
[05:05] <mathiaz> For gutsy, I'll focus on AppArmor integration.
[05:05] <Mithrandir> I'm Tollef Fog Heen, technical lead for Ubuntu mobile, not really here, but watching a bit. My main interest in ubuntu server is as a sysadmin for a bunch of servers I help maintain.
[05:06] <miles> my name is miles, im just a young kid but i do sysadmin and java development at my job...i am currently running an ubuntu-server and want to be involved in the community
[05:06] <jdstrand> I am Jamie Strandboge, ubuntu advocate with an interest in ubuntu server and open source server technologies in general
[05:07] <stephanbuys> Stephan Buys here, architect for Impi Linux, interested in bringing Ubuntu into government and business in South Africa. Focusing on what perceive to be the missing pieces to make Ubuntu "enterprise ready"
[05:07] <nealmcb> I'm also wondering if ubuntu or launchpad or canonical has any "enterprise" ldap/kerberos/whatever infrastructure (for doing builds, etc?) that we could put up test apps on and lure testers with, or any other way for folks who don't run servers to do client testing
[05:07] <ScottK> I'm Scott Kitterman.  I'm a MOTU and primarily interested in Postfix and the packages associated with it.  I'm also a member of ubuntu-backporters (the ones that ack backports requests to the archive admins).  My current focus is on getting the clamav 0.9x series into Dapper (it has a depressing number of rdepends).  I don't have any Gutsy server goals at the moment.  On the server end, I'm focused on getting stuff I did in Feisty into Debian.
[05:08] <dendrobates> Anyone else? we will wait a couple minutes for more introductions.
[05:08] <sommer> I'm Adam Sommer.  I'm a Linux Sysadmin looking to become a Ubuntu-dev/MOTU and currently helping ScottkK with clamav.
[05:09] <Meyvn> I'm Arjen Logghe, somewhat of an Ubuntu newbie and recently started to delve into programming (C++/C#) and I'm here to eavesdrop into this conversation.
[05:09] <fernando> I'm Fernando Ribeiro, i'm justing a sysadmin, a ubuntu enthusiast. I'm focused on ldap integration and replication.
[05:09] <lionel> I'm Lionel Porcheron. I'm a MOTU and work everyday as a sysadmin. Ubuntu server is my primary server platform. I just want to make it rocks
[05:09] <Knightlust> I'm Dax Solomon Umaming, Xubuntu Advocate and System Administrator for a school.
[05:09] <Mithrandir> miles: master of the universe, the group responsible for maintaining the packages in Universe.
[05:09] <soren> miles: A MOTU is a "Master of the Universe". It's the team of developers that manage the universe component of Ubuntu.
[05:09] <miles> thanks
[05:10] <aquo> Hi, I'm Steffen Bauch, and just watching for connections of Ubuntu Server and NetworkManager.
[05:10] <dendrobates> Welcome everyone.
[05:11] <dendrobates> mathiaz: You had the first agenda item.
[05:11] <mathiaz> yes - I read the last UWN and there is section about the Scribus team
[05:12] <mathiaz> in the community spotlight. So it may be a good idea to do the same thing for the Server Team.
[05:12] <dendrobates> Since building our community is very important right now, I think it is a good idea.
[05:13] <mathiaz> well - we could wait a little bit
[05:13] <mathiaz> we could focus on absorbing the first round of applicant
[05:13] <beuno> if you need/want to get the server team highlighted in UWN, just drop me a line with what you want it to say  :D
[05:13] <mathiaz> uwn has a wider audiance
[05:13] <mathiaz> beuno: what's the audience of uwn ?
[05:14] <beuno> mathiaz: the Ubuntu Community in general
[05:14] <mathiaz> because for now we're looking to get more developper
[05:14] <beuno> and it goes a bit beyond, as it get reproduced in several Linux sites
[05:14] <ScottK> It also gets mentioned in Linux Weekly News.
[05:14] <beuno> mathiaz: UWN won't hurt, and posting in the planet won't either  :D
[05:15] <dendrobates> Nick Ali from UWN also mentioned that they could summarize our meeting in UWN if we liked as well.
[05:15] <mathiaz> Do we plan to send notes from the meeting ?
[05:15] <mathiaz> to ubuntu-server ? like MOTU does
[05:16] <dendrobates> I think that is an open question.
[05:16] <mathiaz> ok - to come back to UWN
[05:16] <mathiaz> should we send a strip down version of the Server Team annoucment ?
[05:16] <soren> I think we should send the minutes to the mailing list. If for no other reason, then to remind ourselves what we talked about and decided.
[05:17] <soren> mathiaz: Agreed.
[05:17] <beuno> mathiaz: you will get the best response if you can state clearly and specifically what you need, and how people can contact you
[05:17] <dendrobates> mathiaz: yes.
[05:17] <mathiaz> beuno: how many lines ?
[05:17] <beuno> mathiaz: 2 paragraphs seem fine, it really depends on the team
[05:18] <mathiaz> beuno: ok.
[05:18] <beuno> just not too many "filler" text
[05:18] <beuno> as straight to the point as possible
[05:18] <mathiaz> I'll work on that
[05:18] <beuno> and just sent it over to me: beuno@ubuntu.com
[05:18] <mathiaz> beuno: ok.
[05:19] <beuno> and contact me in the future for anything else you want features in UWN  :D
[05:20] <dendrobates> What do we think about meeting summaries?
[05:20] <dendrobates> I would be a little sparse at this point.
[05:21] <dendrobates> but as the team picks up, it might be nice.
[05:21] <mathiaz> I think it would be a good idea for people that are not able to attend the meeting
[05:21] <soren> If we make any decisions during this meeting, I think said decisions should be echoed on the ml.
[05:22] <mathiaz> ok. I'll send the notes to the ml.
[05:22] <ScottK> Definitely at least decisions need to get to the ML.
[05:22] <soren> mathiaz: Cool.
[05:22] <dendrobates> We could also put transcripts on the wiki
[05:23] <mathiaz> it'S a bit too much I think. We should just link to where the channel is logged.
[05:23] <soren> dendrobates: The channel is logged, so that seems a bit redundant.
[05:23] <aquo> just publish pointers to the log
[05:23] <dendrobates> soren: then we could link to where it is logged.
[05:24] <mathiaz> sounds good to me - I'll update the wiki pages.
[05:24] <soren> dendrobates: Sure.
[05:24] <dendrobates> ok lets move on to the roadmap.
[05:24] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap
[05:25] <dendrobates> Lets start with bug triage.
[05:26] <dendrobates> Anyone have anything to new report to the team?
[05:26] <nealmcb> mathiaz: Thanks for all the roadmap updates!  It really gives me ideas about what is active and what is history (like so many of the server-related specs....)
[05:27] <mathiaz> nealmcb: you're welcome. We'll try to keep the specs later.
[05:27] <soren> dendrobates: We need a firm plan on how to get to the bottom of the bug lists.
[05:27] <mathiaz> for now we're just trying to focus on specific tasks, so that we can get something done for gutsy.
[05:27] <soren> dendrobates: All the new stuff that comes in is no problem, I think. The problem is the existing backlog.
[05:28] <mathiaz> soren: correct. That's why I suggest we try to tackle bugs per package basis.
[05:28] <soren> mathiaz: Dividing them among us? That could work.
[05:28] <dendrobates> mathiaz: so you are suggesting we start with mysql, right?
[05:28] <mathiaz> yes
[05:28] <mathiaz> we have to start somewhere.
[05:28] <dendrobates> agreed.
[05:28] <stephanbuys> is the aim to fix bugs for gutsy?
[05:28] <mathiaz> and lets try to get all the bugs in triagged state
[05:29] <soren> mathiaz: "yes" what? Yes, we divide them among us, or yes, we take one package at a time?
[05:29] <mathiaz> soren: one package at a time
[05:29] <mathiaz> stephanbuys: try to get them to triagged
[05:29] <soren> mathiaz: Sounds sane.
[05:29] <nealmcb> for how long?
[05:29] <mathiaz> stephanbuys: which means we had a look at it and then we can start fixing them
[05:30] <mathiaz> nealmcb: as long as it takes
[05:30] <mathiaz> nealmcb: it doesn't mean that we're not fixing it.
[05:30] <dendrobates> What do you think about scheduling a bug day for each package.
[05:30] <mathiaz> anyone can work on fixing bug, that are triagged or not.
[05:30] <stephanbuys> mathiaz, so its fair to say there is no slant towards gutsy when it comes to bugs (dapper LTS gets equal treatment?)
[05:30] <mathiaz> dendrobates: I'd rather have a suggested line
[05:30] <mathiaz> dendrobates: I mean a suggested list packages
[05:31] <mathiaz> the roadmap is to give pointer for new contributors.
[05:31] <dendrobates> mathiaz: like the last bug day?
[05:31] <mathiaz> dendrobates: yes. instead it's not a day but more a 2 week plan.
[05:31] <soren> stephanbuys: Gutsy is the current development focus. Dapper only gets high priority bug fixes and security fixes.
[05:32] <mathiaz> So let's try to get all mysql bugs reviewed and triagged by the next 2 weeks
[05:32] <ScottK> There is dapper-backports for new features, but not for bug fixing.
[05:32] <dendrobates> soren: we should try your idea, but if we don't get community involvement, be prepared to rethink it.
[05:32] <nealmcb> there are a lot of packages, one at a time might mean missing important ones, and not everyone can help with each packages.   anyone have a sequence of packages in mind?
[05:33] <soren> dendrobates: Which idea was that?
[05:33] <dendrobates> I mean mathiaz;
[05:33] <mathiaz> nealmcb: after mysql, I thought about doing samba.
[05:33] <soren> dendrobates: Ah, I see.
[05:33] <mathiaz> dendrobates: ok - no problem. we'll see how it works.
[05:34] <nealmcb> is there a summary anywhere of which server packages have the most outstanding and/or untriaged bugs?
[05:34] <dendrobates> mathiaz: we need to explain what to do more on the roadmap, maybe boint to some documentation.
[05:35] <mathiaz> dendrobates: yes - I'll update the wiki pages Roadmap and Knowledge.
[05:35] <mathiaz> dendrobates: It's still a work in progress.
[05:35] <dendrobates> But you've done a great job on them.
[05:35] <aquo> which are the most annoying untriaged bugs for mysql?
[05:35] <mathiaz> nealmcb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/
[05:36] <mathiaz> aquo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0
[05:36] <mathiaz> aquo: lists the bugs related to mysql - we target the one in New - Undecided states.
[05:36] <dendrobates> can we move to packaging?
[05:36] <mathiaz> aquo: the goal is to move to a triagged/confirmed state
[05:37] <aquo> mathiaz: yes, i know, but are there bug with special importance?
[05:37] <soren> aquo: If we knew, they would have been triaged already.
[05:37] <aquo> k
[05:38] <soren> aquo: The point of traiging is to look at the bug, determine if it's bogus or not, and to assign an importance to it.
[05:39] <aquo> soren: i know, my question is if the fact that they are untriaged a hint for there unimportance is
[05:40] <mathiaz> aquo: no
[05:40] <aquo> if they would be important, somebody would have triaged them already?
[05:40] <soren> aquo: That doesn't make sense. If you knew if it was important or not, you would by definition have triaged it.
[05:40] <mathiaz> aquo: new, undecided means nobody has looked at the bug
[05:40] <aquo> k, just go on
[05:40] <soren> triaging means figuring out how important it is.
[05:40] <aquo> i know
[05:40] <dendrobates> Ok on to packaging
[05:41] <Meyvn> unfortunately i have to leave, good luck all
[05:41] <dendrobates> Meyvn: thanks for stopping by.
[05:41] <soren> Meyvn: thanks for your time.
[05:42] <dendrobates> it looks like FernandoRibeiroSilva has assigned himself to add watch files to the packages.
[05:42] <mathiaz> fernando: thanks for taking this.
[05:42] <dendrobates> Thank you for that.
[05:43] <dendrobates> fernando: do you need any help?  have you had a chance to start?
[05:43] <fernando> I'm glat could help you.
[05:43] <fernando> no help this first time
[05:43] <lionel> that means we are going to diverge from Debian for this package? With for example newer upstream release (as we do for GNOME for example)
[05:43] <mathiaz> lionel: which package ?
[05:43] <lionel> I meant packages
[05:44] <lionel> for those we add watch files
[05:44] <mathiaz> lionel: watch files are just a way to track upstream version.
[05:44] <keescook> I think the goal would be to send the watch files upstream too.
[05:44] <soren> lionel: I hope we can cooperate with Debian to get newer stuff into Debian and then let it trickle into Ubuntu, but we're not going to block on Debian if there's shiny new stuff we want.
[05:44] <mathiaz> lionel: debian can track it - but we're also interested in tracking them
[05:44] <mathiaz> keescook: definetly.
[05:44] <mathiaz> I'm sure that Debian would be interested into that also.
[05:45] <lionel> Ok, ok, it was to get things clear :) Thanks :)
[05:45] <fernando> i can to send the watch updates to debian too
[05:45] <mathiaz> keescook: would this help from a security perspective ?
[05:45] <keescook> mathiaz: I might, but it would still require people examine release notes for things that are not already listed in CVe
[05:45] <mathiaz> fernando: I've added this point to the roadmap. so if you need help to get started, you can contact me.
[05:46] <mathiaz> keescook: ok.
[05:46] <fernando> mathiaz, great
[05:46] <dendrobates> Ok on to testing.
[05:46] <jdstrand> is the goal of adding the watch file to watch debian, upstream, or both?
[05:46] <mathiaz> the idea behind this, is to be able to track upstream relases centrally - without being subscribed to thousand of mailing lists
[05:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: upstream only.
[05:47] <jdstrand> mathiaz, ah-- makes more sense now
[05:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: we get debian updates via merges
[05:47] <mathiaz> jdstrand: when the merge window is opened.
[05:48] <jdstrand> mathiaz, right-- so this is to help ubuntu in general, and feed what we know back to debian so they can do with it what they want
[05:48] <dendrobates> I have not added openldap to the apparmor test plan yet.  Plan to do it this week.  We will than need testers.
[05:48] <mathiaz> yop
[05:48] <nealmcb> on the testing front, I've posted an idea about an enterprise testbed.  there are so many configurations to test against
[05:48] <mathiaz> AppArmor should be in main soon
[05:48] <mathiaz> so we need to test it more.
[05:48] <nealmcb> e.g. in the authentication area - ldap/kerberos/ad etc
[05:49] <dendrobates> nealmcb: you are right, we are going to need community support to test those configurations.
[05:50] <nealmcb> if there are any folks out there with guest accounts to test against that would be great
[05:50] <nealmcb> ideally there would be places stable and public enough that we could put them in documentation.  "log in via kerberos as guest/guest" etc....
[05:50] <sommer> is there a place where configurations that need testing are posted?
[05:51] <dendrobates> currently only apparmor has a test plan.
[05:51] <aquo> nealmcb: hacker-hotspot
[05:51] <dendrobates> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmorGutsy#testplan
[05:51] <mathiaz> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Server
[05:51] <mathiaz> ^^ this where we should put our testing plans
[05:52] <mathiaz> as discussed with heno.
[05:52] <nealmcb> are there shared build machines available to ubuntu developers?  if so how do people log in?
[05:52] <sommer> cool...I'm very willing to help in testing.
[05:52] <soren> nealmcb: We don't. We just upload to them via ftp.
[05:53] <dendrobates> mathiaz:  will you be moving the apparmor plan to the new page?
[05:53] <mathiaz> dendrobates: yes.
[05:53] <nealmcb> aquo: yes indeed - and a good way to discover DOS bugs - might need to reinstall periodically like the folks that put up multiple CMS installations for worldwide login and experimentation and comparison
[05:53] <dendrobates> I wil work on a ldap-auth-client paln as well.
[05:53] <soren> nealmcb: Anonymous ftp, that is. The uploads are signed.
[05:53] <mathiaz> dendrobates: we may start using the isotracker.
[05:54] <mathiaz> dendrobates: henrik wants to turn the isotracker tester in a more general testing platform.
[05:54] <aquo> nealmcb: could be also a place to attack other machines from.
[05:54] <mathiaz> dendrobates: on our side, it means we have to write test plans
[05:54] <mathiaz> dendrobates: and we aggreed to put our test plan in the wiki.
[05:54] <nealmcb> aquo: only if you give them too many permissions.  even a "hello guest - you have authenticated" would be handy for some setups
[05:55] <mathiaz> dendrobates: so that they can be linked from isotracker later.
[05:55] <dendrobates> mathiaz: I remember.
[05:55] <aquo> nealmcb: so you don't need real users, but just sophisticated test-scripts.
[05:55] <nealmcb> aquo: but I know it can be a hassle - may need to be limited to trusted folks - just trying to figure out how to test against real-world situations
[05:55] <aquo> qemu + some scripts ...
[05:56] <aquo> this is possible even with multiple instances of qemu, client + server.
[05:56] <dendrobates> can we skip right to devlopment, I have a hard stop coming up.
[05:56] <soren> dendrobates: Me too.
[05:56] <mathiaz> dendrobates: np.
[05:57] <dendrobates> Soren: you first.
[05:57] <mathiaz> there is so much in the documentor section for now.
[05:57] <dendrobates> :)
[05:57] <soren> dendrobates: Huh?
[05:57] <stephanbuys> dendrobates, my 2cents and it follows on what came before, there is a need for more virtualization on the roadmap. any plans for Xen?
[05:57] <nealmcb> aquo: for testing authn, that's right.  for testing authorization, providing some sort of access to protected resources by relying parties would be necessary, and there can also be user interface testing
[05:58] <zul> stephanbuys: we already have xen-3.1
[05:58] <soren> ah.
[05:58] <soren> Yes, as I mentioned, I'm working on this eBox platform.
[05:58] <stephanbuys> zul, my bad
[05:58] <soren> http://www.ebox-platform.com
[05:58] <soren> Well, working on integrating it into Ubuntu.
[05:59] <soren> I'd like it if a few people would be kind enough to volunteer a machine they don't particularly care for for testing it.
[05:59] <nealmcb> soren: amazon's ec2 can be good for that, or xen
[05:59] <dendrobates> I'll continue testing.
[05:59] <soren> It's a systems management framework and - surprisingly - it manages your system, which means it may or may not mangle your configuration files. In some cases, that's what you want, in some cases not.
[06:00] <mathiaz> soren: do you have any specific things to test ?
[06:00] <soren> In the cases where it's not what you want, I want to be absolutely sure it handles things elegantly.
[06:00] <soren> mathiaz: I'm sort of waiting on pitti to ack a few more packages before it starts getting interesting.
[06:00] <aquo> Is ebox free software?
[06:00] <soren> aquo: Of course.
[06:01] <soren> So far, there's only ebox,  libebox, and ebox-objects.
[06:01] <mathiaz> soren: ok. Then we can add a new point in the Testing section.
[06:01] <soren> So far, they really don't do anything, but if people want to instal them and see if they work at all or break miserably, that would be great.
[06:01] <soren> Wait a few hours, though. :) There's one more thing I want to tweak.
[06:02] <aquo> soren: which dependencies has ebox?
[06:02] <dendrobates> soren: done?
[06:03] <mathiaz> soren: what about sending an email to ubuntu-serve when you're ready for more widespread testing ?
[06:03] <soren> dendrobates: Yes.
[06:03] <soren> mathiaz: I will.
[06:04] <dendrobates> Ok, Mathiaz, you want to go next?
[06:04] <mathiaz> dendrobates: ok. For AppArmor, it's almost in main
[06:04] <mathiaz> the plan is to split the profiles into universe
[06:04] <mathiaz> and get the infrastructure bits in main as soon as possible.
[06:05] <mathiaz> so I hope I'll get Apparmor into main after tribe-3
[06:05] <mathiaz> as the archive is frozen for now.
[06:05] <aquo> tribe3 is friday? thursday?
[06:05] <mathiaz> but everything is there and I need more testing.
[06:05] <mathiaz> aquo: thursday
[06:05] <soren> aquo: thursday
[06:05] <aquo> k
[06:05] <mathiaz> there is a testplan.
[06:06] <soren> aquo: As a general rule, tribe releases are on Thursdays.
[06:06] <mathiaz> and I'm looking for testing with named
[06:06] <mathiaz> mysql and samba.
[06:06] <aquo> soren: to not hazzle the mirror admins on friday?
[06:06] <mathiaz> so if you can provide some help, it's time to join the effort.
[06:07] <soren> aquo: So we have an extra day to take care of *very* urgent stuff before the weekend.
[06:07] <aquo> k
[06:07] <mathiaz> dendrobates: that's all.
[06:07] <dendrobates> for ldap-auth-client:  I sent an email to the ubuntu-directory mailing list and have received an incredible response.  I have heard from both redhad and Impi Linux (thanks Stephan), about collaboration.  The meta package is uploaded, but for some reason not yet available.  I will be creating a wiki with specific tasks that folks can help with.
[06:08] <dendrobates> I am still tuning the spec, to try to lessen the confusion I seemed to be creating about my purpose.
[06:09] <dendrobates> The work has started on libpam-ldap and libnns-ldap as well.
[06:10] <jdstrand> dendrobates: I just subscribed to ubuntu-directory (not aware of it), so will look through it.  As discussed #ubuntu-server, I have started the auth-client-config script for debconf to call to update nsswitch.conf and pam
[06:10] <jdstrand> dendrobates: should have something for you to play with soon
[06:10] <dendrobates> stephanbuys created a new spec for an app that would configuring /etc/pam.d/*
[06:11] <jdstrand> dendrobates: where is that spec?
[06:11] <dendrobates> that might be rolled into my spec if it looks like it can be finished in time.
[06:11] <dendrobates> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LDAPAuthentication
[06:11] <ScottK> soren: (sorry for the lag - this relates to ebox) - I think you would be intersted in this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-July/001802.html
[06:12] <dendrobates> that is all from
[06:12] <dendrobates> me
[06:12] <dendrobates> is there any other business?
[06:12] <ScottK> Question...
[06:13] <dendrobates> ok
[06:13] <ScottK> Is there a process for deciding which packages the server-team is going to care about?
[06:13] <ScottK> Is it limited to Main?
[06:13] <ScottK> OK, that was two...
[06:13] <soren> ScottK: "it"?
[06:13] <mathiaz> ScottK: for now yes.
[06:13] <soren> ScottK: Ah.
[06:13] <ScottK> it == packages server-team cares about.
[06:13] <mathiaz> ScottK: limited to main.
[06:13] <ScottK> OK
[06:14] <soren> Any particular reason?
[06:14] <ScottK> Trying to understand the scope of the team.
[06:14] <mathiaz> for now we're bug contact for a couple of packages.
[06:14] <soren> The server team could easily handle relevant universe packages as well.
[06:14] <ScottK> There is a lot of stuff (e.g. spamassassin, clamsmtp, clamav) in Universe that's very commonly used on mail servers.
[06:14] <mathiaz> once we've get some controlled on the bugs for the packages, we can think about adding other ones.
[06:15] <dendrobates> I imagine that as the team grows, our ability to handle more packages will as well.
[06:15] <dendrobates> Right now, we have all we can handle.
[06:15] <ScottK> OK
[06:15] <mathiaz> dendrobates: I aggree with you.
[06:15] <sommer> is the server-team open to all or do you need to be a dev?
[06:15] <dendrobates> open to all.
[06:15] <nealmcb> so is the list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs complete?
[06:15] <mathiaz> sommer: to all.
[06:16] <mathiaz> nealmcb: yes.
[06:16] <sommer> cool...I'll sign up.
[06:16] <dendrobates> I need to scoot.
[06:16] <nealmcb> I'm glad to see all the recent activity and organization here - thanks folks
[06:16] <dendrobates> Thank you for coming everyone.
[06:16] <mathiaz> sommer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved#becomemember
[06:17] <mathiaz> the next meeting will be in two weeks.
[06:17] <dendrobates> We hope to see all of you at our next meeting in two weeks.
[06:17] <mathiaz> same time same place
[06:17] <dendrobates> same channel
[06:17] <dendrobates> bye.
[06:17] <mathiaz> thanks - bye.
[06:18] <keescook> cya
[06:18] <sommer> mathiaz: thanks for the link.  Later all.
[06:19] <ScottK> mathiaz: You want to talk some more about the mysql thing now?
[06:19] <aquo> nealmcb: Can you imaging test plans that are not automatic testable?
[06:20] <mathiaz> ScottK: later - I'm off for lunch.
[06:20] <ScottK> OK.  Later.
[07:45] <mr_pouit> @schedule Paris
[07:45] <ubotu> Schedule for Europe/Paris: 17 Jul 21:00: Technical Board | 18 Jul 22:00: Edubuntu | 19 Jul 22:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 24 Jul 17:00: Kernel Team | 25 Jul 14:00: Edubuntu | 25 Jul 22:00: Xubuntu Developers