[12:33] <bspencer> Kain, ok, done
[12:33] <bspencer> I'm looking at my Q1 ultra on the back and don't see 110 or a100
[12:34] <Kain> do you know the processors speed?
[12:34] <Kain> the a100 is 600 the a110 is 800
[12:34] <Mithrandir> cat /proc/cpuinfo?
[12:35] <bspencer> yeah
[12:35] <bspencer> 800
[12:35] <Kain> What price point is yours
[12:35] <Kain> 800? or 1100?
[12:35] <bspencer> good question.  my hard earned dollars didn't buy it.  let me ask
[12:35] <Kain> lol good stuff
[12:36] <Kain> Yea all the major US providers are saying it has an a110 tho the documentation says different
[12:37] <Kain> bspencer, by the way thanks
[12:37] <bspencer> np
[12:39] <Kain> Q1UAY01 is the 800/900 dollar price point model, the documentation claims it has a a100. The sites that are selling it are saying an 800mhz a110. I wonder if they pulled a mid release upgrade and eliminated the a100 model
[12:45] <bspencer> yeah, I see that on Amazon.com
[12:46] <bspencer> my specs are A110, 800Mhz, 60GB drive.
[12:46] <bspencer> Intel got a bundle deal cause we got 10 or something, not sure.  I couldn't find the price so i can't compare. :-\
[12:48] <Kain> Ah ok
[12:48] <bspencer> on amazon I see a 40gb for $935 and 60gb for $1200.  both claim a110/800Mhz.
[12:48] <Kain> thats the one with the cam
[12:48] <bspencer> good luck
[12:48] <Kain>  bummer, thanks
[12:48] <bspencer> mine has a cam
[12:49] <bspencer> era
[12:49] <Kain> DO you like the q1 ultra?
[12:50] <bspencer> the screen is bright and clear
[12:50] <Kain> Awesome
[12:50] <bspencer> I haven't typed a lot with it to get familiar with the keyboard
[12:50] <Mithrandir> Kain: it depends on what you want to use it for.
[12:50] <bspencer> I don't like the mouse
[12:50] <bspencer> the mouse is on the left thumb which isn't very adept at moving things around 
[12:50] <Kain> Yea I want it as a media device or a browser
[12:50] <Kain> I'd be using the sylus i guess
[12:50] <Mithrandir> the keyboard is just a tiny bit too little, the mouse is fairly crap, but the touchscreen works well.
[12:51] <Mithrandir> it's really just a small laptop sans a useful keyboard and with touchscreen
[12:54] <Kain> Yea
[12:54] <Kain> I doubt I will be typing with it
[12:54] <Kain> other then web addresses and logins. I really hope UbuntuMobile comes out well. It will make not using the mouse alot nicer.
[12:55] <Mithrandir> we might be able to get a good onscreen keyboard working for it, but I wouldn't hold my breath, most of the on-screen keyboards I've used have only been ok-ish
[12:55] <bspencer> Kain, at the current stage don't get too excited about the UI on the Samsung.
[12:55] <bspencer> in Linux
[12:55] <Kain> I know
[12:55] <bspencer> ok.  Just want to set expectations that it is a work in progress.
[12:55] <Kain> The mockups are nice but I assume they are far away
[12:55] <bspencer> things wiggle, but it isn't joy
[12:56] <bspencer> yet!
[12:56] <Mithrandir> mockups are mockups. :-)
[12:56] <Kain> Yes they are.
[12:56] <Kain> Maemo is enjoyable tho
[05:59] <DannyZ>  /msg NickServ IDENTIFY sayyou
[06:13] <Kain> Ugh, how can I set the Xephyr display in the command line?
[06:45] <Kain> Ok anyone know how to startx before I run start-hildon?
[05:52] <mfrey> rusty: do you have any experience with the python loader for the hildon desktop?
[05:54] <rusty> what kind of experience?
[05:54] <rusty> if created some simple apps
[05:54] <mfrey> I downloaded the loader and built it -- but
[05:54] <mfrey> I can not get it to load a home applet written in python
[05:54] <rusty> what are you calling the loader.... the python bindings?
[05:55] <mfrey> I am talking about this https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop/python-hildondesktop/
[05:55] <mfrey> This project allows home applets to be written in python
[05:58] <rusty> mfrey, no, i have not tried this
[05:58] <mfrey> ok
[05:58] <rusty> what do you see... does it crash or just not show the applet?
[05:59] <mfrey> When I try to set the home applet in the config file to be of type python and list the python code it complains about not being able to find it
[06:01] <rusty> mfrey, yea, enabling python home applets is in the plan... but i think you are the first to try
[06:02] <mfrey> rusty -- ok I will keep at it.  I think I am close
[06:03] <rusty> cool
[06:26] <UbMobie> So what's the details behind the tools being created?  What languages and APIs would one want to start looking at?
[06:27] <Mithrandir> you will be able to develop in various languages, at least python, C, C++, hopefully java and flash at some point.
[06:28] <Mithrandir> you want to look at hildon and gtk+ as the UI toolkit.
[06:31] <UbMobie> I've always been interested in GTK.  I'm mostly a web programmer with Java/.NET skills.=
[06:32] <UbMobie> Any good books to reccomend a migration?
[06:32] <UbMobie> Also, are there any sites for hildon?  It's a bit of an ambiguous name.
[06:34] <Mithrandir> http://maemo.org/development/ might be useful for you
[06:34] <agoliveira> I think my pidgin went nuts. I just can't login at freenode with it.
[06:34] <agoliveira> I'm using bitchx now and it's fine
[06:34] <agoliveira> Weird...
[06:37] <UbMobie> I can't wait to see the tools and simulation environments streamlined and made accessible via Ubuntu.  That just really puts everything at the tip of your fingers :)
[06:37] <UbMobie> Certainly makes learning easier.
[06:44] <agoliveira> Found the problem: the crypto plugin for pidgin, for some reason prevented me to login to freenode.
[06:46] <agoliveira> rusty: Hi Rusty. I'm preparing a document about the image builder based on my tests and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ImageCreation. Do you have any outstanding changes on it that differ from the spec I must be aware of?
[06:47] <rusty> oh... yea, that wiki needs updating
[06:47] <rusty> at the very least the launching script changed names
[06:47] <rusty> let me look at at
[06:47] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: I've talked with Ross today and he showed me the pimlico apps; they look very much like what we'll want so please update the user applications to note that.
[06:48] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: Hi. I've made a note on it already thius mornign and it is on my todo list to check it out.
[06:50] <Mithrandir> agoliveira: there's no need to check it out, I have had it demoed here at guadec.
[06:50] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I understand that but I want to see it for myself if you don't mind.
[06:51] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: or do you think it fits so well over GPE for instance that I can just put this on?
[06:51] <Mithrandir> GPE does not have a hildon port, does it?
[06:52] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: No, it does not.
[06:52] <Mithrandir> well, that pretty much settles it, IMO. :-)
[06:52] <Mithrandir> we need hildon apps
[06:52] <Mithrandir> and not having to port apps is good
[06:57] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: I agree with you. I just wanted to weight the benefits. Does it have sync? Maybe bind for syncml?
[06:57] <Mithrandir> it uses EDS, so any sync solution which knows about EDS can be used
[06:57] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: BTW, I tought Pimlico was only partially ported for Maemo.
[06:57] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: If it is all there so indeed it's hard to beat.
[06:57] <Mithrandir> two of three apps are ported, the last one is undergoing a rewrite which will be followed by a port.
[06:57] <Mithrandir> for tasks, the port took a whopping two hours.
[06:57] <rusty> agoliveira, i updated the wiki
[06:57] <agoliveira> rusty: Thanks.
[06:57] <agoliveira> Mithrandir: That's really cool.
[07:17] <MishaS> agoliveira, i'd like to suggest an e-book reader for your list :)
[07:22] <MishaS> sorry for the noise
[07:23] <agoliveira> MishaS: No problem. It would be good to have a contender for fbreader tough
[07:27] <MishaS> agoliveira, i'd probably not suggest anything as i'm one of its authors :)
[07:34] <agoliveira> MishaS: Hmmm... that's a fairly good reason :-D
[07:34] <agoliveira> MishaS: Anyway, congrats!
[07:35] <MishaS> agoliveira, thank you :)
[07:35] <MishaS> agoliveira, btw, i'm looking at the page and it starts with 2nd level headers, any particular reason for that?  1st level headers look better for me if you add a TOC
[07:38] <agoliveira> MishaS: I guess I took a template to do it but it might be also just a mistake.
[07:39] <MishaS> agoliveira, if you don't mind i'll put a new version and if does not look nice, i'll put the old one back :)
[07:39] <MishaS> agoliveira, or actually i'd rather add TOC first...
[07:40] <agoliveira> MishaS: bemy guest ;)
[07:40] <agoliveira> s/bemy be my
[07:49] <MishaS> agoliveira, have a look.  it now has a rather useful TOC
[07:52] <agoliveira> MishaS: Looks nice to me. Thanks.
[07:53] <MishaS> good
[08:07] <agoliveira> http://browser.garage.maemo.org/
[08:44] <agoliveira> rusty: Did you remove the start-hildon-desktop script from the hildon-desktop package?
[08:44] <rusty> me... no... bspencer, did you?
[08:45] <bspencer> agoliveira, I didn't remove anything from bazaar code
[08:45] <bspencer> if that's what you are asking
[08:46] <agoliveira> Hmmm... weird
[08:46] <bspencer> but I wasn't sure what happened to hildon-desktop during the sprint
[08:47] <rusty> agoliveira, but... is this something you added directly to the bzr repo?
[08:47] <rusty> our changes were based off the svn repository
[08:47] <rusty> bspencer, isn't that right?
[08:48] <agoliveira> rusty, it was added some time ago by Tollef. I supposed that he removed by accident with the merge.
[08:49] <bspencer> agoliveira, that could be.  I think Mithrandir might have done a quick updtae to push our hildon-desktop into bazaar
[08:49] <agoliveira> rusty, or you did as the 2 last commits were yours ;)
[08:49] <bspencer> sorry if that's the case
[09:05] <rusty> any kernel guys listening?
[09:06] <rusty> Mithrandir, image creation is breaking for people since we are attempting to install linux-generic, but that meta package is not available in the Gusty repository right now
[09:06] <rusty> kylem, you listening by chance?
[09:07] <kylem> aye, i'm here.
[09:08] <rusty> kylem, i noticed that there is no linux-generic in gutsy
[09:08] <kylem> lemme take a look, one sec.
[09:10] <kylem> er. seems to be there.
[09:10] <rusty> really?
[09:10] <rusty> in which repository?
[09:10] <kylem> ~$ apt-cache madison linux-generic
[09:10] <kylem> linux-generic | 2.6.22.8.8 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages
[09:10] <kylem> linux-meta | 2.6.22.8.8 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources
[09:10] <kylem> oh.
[09:10] <kylem> er. wtf.
[09:12] <kylem> ah. right. because they depend on l-r-m, they have to be in restricted (otherwise if you didn't have restricted, they'd be uninstallable anyway)
[09:13] <rusty> ok... yea, i see now
[09:35] <CharliefJohnson> Is Tollef around - anyone know?  Not sure what time it is where he is at.
[09:40] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: He's at GUADEC.
[09:41] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: and I guess it's be around 
[09:41] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: Sorry
[09:41] <agoliveira> CharliefJohnson: I mean it's around 8:41 PM there I guess.
[10:05] <agoliveira> http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Category:Moblins
[10:05] <agoliveira> Read and laugh... or weep :)
[10:20] <agoliveira> rusty, I hate to say it but a lot of changes we have made on hildon-desktop was lost when you uploaded the revision 238 :(
[10:23] <agoliveira> /s/was/were
[10:27] <agoliveira> rusty, bspencer, I need some quick explanations here.
[10:29] <bspencer> agoliveira, shoot
[10:56] (bspencer/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira, one file down (start-hildon added and pushed)
[10:56] (bspencer/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira, working on rules...
[11:02] <bspencer> agoliveira, oh, that was too easy.  Sorry I was confused
[11:03] <bspencer> git clone rsync://moblin.org/repos/projects/hildon-desktop.git
[11:03] <bspencer> let me know if I should change
[11:06] <agoliveira> bspencer: Looks ok.
[11:07] <bspencer> agoliveira, ok.  I'm glad I looked at that.  I'll change a couple things in our script.
[11:07] <bspencer> agoliveira, this assumes that hildon-theme-mobile-basic package is in Ubuntu repo
[11:07] <bspencer> agoliveira, do you know if that is the case?
[11:07] <agoliveira> Let me check
[11:08] <bspencer> if not, then you can change the theme back to "plankton"
[11:08] <bspencer> (hildon-theme-plankton)
[11:08] <agoliveira> bspencer, we have plankton only
[11:16] <agoliveira> bspencer: What do you prefer?
[11:17] <agoliveira> I'll pause for a few minutes (wife complains that my day is over :) ) to a coffee and be back to close this issue.