[12:33] Kain, ok, done [12:33] I'm looking at my Q1 ultra on the back and don't see 110 or a100 [12:34] do you know the processors speed? [12:34] the a100 is 600 the a110 is 800 [12:34] cat /proc/cpuinfo? [12:35] yeah [12:35] 800 [12:35] What price point is yours [12:35] 800? or 1100? [12:35] good question. my hard earned dollars didn't buy it. let me ask [12:35] lol good stuff [12:36] Yea all the major US providers are saying it has an a110 tho the documentation says different [12:37] bspencer, by the way thanks [12:37] np [12:39] Q1UAY01 is the 800/900 dollar price point model, the documentation claims it has a a100. The sites that are selling it are saying an 800mhz a110. I wonder if they pulled a mid release upgrade and eliminated the a100 model [12:45] yeah, I see that on Amazon.com [12:46] my specs are A110, 800Mhz, 60GB drive. [12:46] Intel got a bundle deal cause we got 10 or something, not sure. I couldn't find the price so i can't compare. :-\ [12:48] Ah ok [12:48] on amazon I see a 40gb for $935 and 60gb for $1200. both claim a110/800Mhz. [12:48] thats the one with the cam [12:48] good luck [12:48] bummer, thanks [12:48] mine has a cam [12:49] era [12:49] DO you like the q1 ultra? [12:50] the screen is bright and clear [12:50] Awesome [12:50] I haven't typed a lot with it to get familiar with the keyboard [12:50] Kain: it depends on what you want to use it for. [12:50] I don't like the mouse [12:50] the mouse is on the left thumb which isn't very adept at moving things around [12:50] Yea I want it as a media device or a browser [12:50] I'd be using the sylus i guess [12:50] the keyboard is just a tiny bit too little, the mouse is fairly crap, but the touchscreen works well. [12:51] it's really just a small laptop sans a useful keyboard and with touchscreen [12:54] Yea [12:54] I doubt I will be typing with it [12:54] other then web addresses and logins. I really hope UbuntuMobile comes out well. It will make not using the mouse alot nicer. [12:55] we might be able to get a good onscreen keyboard working for it, but I wouldn't hold my breath, most of the on-screen keyboards I've used have only been ok-ish [12:55] Kain, at the current stage don't get too excited about the UI on the Samsung. [12:55] in Linux [12:55] I know [12:55] ok. Just want to set expectations that it is a work in progress. [12:55] The mockups are nice but I assume they are far away [12:55] things wiggle, but it isn't joy [12:56] yet! [12:56] mockups are mockups. :-) [12:56] Yes they are. 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[05:54] what kind of experience? [05:54] if created some simple apps [05:54] I downloaded the loader and built it -- but [05:54] I can not get it to load a home applet written in python [05:54] what are you calling the loader.... the python bindings? [05:55] I am talking about this https://stage.maemo.org/svn/maemo/projects/haf/branches/maemo-af-desktop/python-hildondesktop/ [05:55] This project allows home applets to be written in python [05:58] mfrey, no, i have not tried this [05:58] ok [05:58] what do you see... does it crash or just not show the applet? [05:59] When I try to set the home applet in the config file to be of type python and list the python code it complains about not being able to find it === mdz_ [n=mdz@64-42-110-100.atgi.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:01] mfrey, yea, enabling python home applets is in the plan... but i think you are the first to try [06:02] rusty -- ok I will keep at it. I think I am close [06:03] cool === rusty [n=rusty@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === sabotage_afk is now known as sabotage === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === cpro1 [n=cprov@201-68-28-164.dsl.telesp.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === UbMobie [n=SniperSl@64.141.48.2] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:26] So what's the details behind the tools being created? What languages and APIs would one want to start looking at? [06:27] you will be able to develop in various languages, at least python, C, C++, hopefully java and flash at some point. [06:28] you want to look at hildon and gtk+ as the UI toolkit. [06:31] I've always been interested in GTK. I'm mostly a web programmer with Java/.NET skills.= [06:32] Any good books to reccomend a migration? [06:32] Also, are there any sites for hildon? It's a bit of an ambiguous name. === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.40.120.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:34] http://maemo.org/development/ might be useful for you [06:34] I think my pidgin went nuts. I just can't login at freenode with it. [06:34] I'm using bitchx now and it's fine [06:34] Weird... [06:37] I can't wait to see the tools and simulation environments streamlined and made accessible via Ubuntu. That just really puts everything at the tip of your fingers :) [06:37] Certainly makes learning easier. === agoliveira [n=adilson@200.146.40.120.adsl.gvt.net.br] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === captainigloo [n=silent@gar31-4-82-240-198-102.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:44] Found the problem: the crypto plugin for pidgin, for some reason prevented me to login to freenode. [06:46] rusty: Hi Rusty. I'm preparing a document about the image builder based on my tests and this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded/ImageCreation. Do you have any outstanding changes on it that differ from the spec I must be aware of? [06:47] oh... yea, that wiki needs updating [06:47] at the very least the launching script changed names [06:47] let me look at at [06:47] agoliveira: I've talked with Ross today and he showed me the pimlico apps; they look very much like what we'll want so please update the user applications to note that. [06:48] Mithrandir: Hi. I've made a note on it already thius mornign and it is on my todo list to check it out. [06:50] agoliveira: there's no need to check it out, I have had it demoed here at guadec. === matt_c_ [n=mcroydon@24.124.1.110] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [06:50] Mithrandir: I understand that but I want to see it for myself if you don't mind. [06:51] Mithrandir: or do you think it fits so well over GPE for instance that I can just put this on? [06:51] GPE does not have a hildon port, does it? [06:52] Mithrandir: No, it does not. [06:52] well, that pretty much settles it, IMO. :-) [06:52] we need hildon apps [06:52] and not having to port apps is good [06:57] Mithrandir: I agree with you. I just wanted to weight the benefits. Does it have sync? Maybe bind for syncml? [06:57] it uses EDS, so any sync solution which knows about EDS can be used [06:57] Mithrandir: BTW, I tought Pimlico was only partially ported for Maemo. [06:57] Mithrandir: If it is all there so indeed it's hard to beat. [06:57] two of three apps are ported, the last one is undergoing a rewrite which will be followed by a port. [06:57] for tasks, the port took a whopping two hours. [06:57] agoliveira, i updated the wiki [06:57] rusty: Thanks. === Mithrandir wanders off [06:57] Mithrandir: That's really cool. [07:17] agoliveira, i'd like to suggest an e-book reader for your list :) === MishaS . o O (too late, it's already there) [07:22] sorry for the noise [07:23] MishaS: No problem. It would be good to have a contender for fbreader tough [07:27] agoliveira, i'd probably not suggest anything as i'm one of its authors :) [07:34] MishaS: Hmmm... that's a fairly good reason :-D [07:34] MishaS: Anyway, congrats! [07:35] agoliveira, thank you :) [07:35] agoliveira, btw, i'm looking at the page and it starts with 2nd level headers, any particular reason for that? 1st level headers look better for me if you add a TOC === MishaS plays with a slight re-formatting right now and is not sure whether such a change would be welcome. [07:38] MishaS: I guess I took a template to do it but it might be also just a mistake. [07:39] agoliveira, if you don't mind i'll put a new version and if does not look nice, i'll put the old one back :) [07:39] agoliveira, or actually i'd rather add TOC first... [07:40] MishaS: bemy guest ;) [07:40] s/bemy be my === MishaS will do a bit of formatting for easier navigation. [07:49] agoliveira, have a look. it now has a rather useful TOC [07:52] MishaS: Looks nice to me. Thanks. [07:53] good === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:07] http://browser.garage.maemo.org/ === bspencer [n=bob@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === rusty [n=rusty@217-118-122-44.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [08:44] rusty: Did you remove the start-hildon-desktop script from the hildon-desktop package? [08:44] me... no... bspencer, did you? [08:45] agoliveira, I didn't remove anything from bazaar code [08:45] if that's what you are asking [08:46] Hmmm... weird [08:46] but I wasn't sure what happened to hildon-desktop during the sprint [08:47] agoliveira, but... is this something you added directly to the bzr repo? [08:47] our changes were based off the svn repository [08:47] bspencer, isn't that right? [08:48] rusty, it was added some time ago by Tollef. I supposed that he removed by accident with the merge. [08:49] agoliveira, that could be. I think Mithrandir might have done a quick updtae to push our hildon-desktop into bazaar [08:49] rusty, or you did as the 2 last commits were yours ;) [08:49] sorry if that's the case === cjwatson_ [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:05] any kernel guys listening? [09:06] Mithrandir, image creation is breaking for people since we are attempting to install linux-generic, but that meta package is not available in the Gusty repository right now [09:06] kylem, you listening by chance? [09:07] aye, i'm here. === amitk_ [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:08] kylem, i noticed that there is no linux-generic in gutsy [09:08] lemme take a look, one sec. [09:10] er. seems to be there. [09:10] really? [09:10] in which repository? [09:10] ~$ apt-cache madison linux-generic [09:10] linux-generic | 2.6.22.8.8 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/restricted Packages [09:10] linux-meta | 2.6.22.8.8 | http://us.archive.ubuntu.com gutsy/main Sources [09:10] oh. [09:10] er. wtf. [09:12] ah. right. because they depend on l-r-m, they have to be in restricted (otherwise if you didn't have restricted, they'd be uninstallable anyway) [09:13] ok... yea, i see now === bfiller [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === bfiller [n=bfiller@fw.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:35] Is Tollef around - anyone know? Not sure what time it is where he is at. === Lure [n=lure@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [09:40] CharliefJohnson: He's at GUADEC. [09:41] CharliefJohnson: and I guess it's be around [09:41] CharliefJohnson: Sorry [09:41] CharliefJohnson: I mean it's around 8:41 PM there I guess. === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === stgraber_ [n=stgraber@dakara.stgraber.org] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === DarkRaven_ [n=dvwyngaa@dsl-243-120-148.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === mawhalen [n=chatzill@jffwprtest.jf.intel.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:05] http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Category:Moblins [10:05] Read and laugh... or weep :) [10:20] rusty, I hate to say it but a lot of changes we have made on hildon-desktop was lost when you uploaded the revision 238 :( === Misuzu [n=Guest@adsl-065-013-158-013.sip.rdu.bellsouth.net] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === patm [n=pepper@scoville.pepper.com] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [10:23] /s/was/were [10:27] rusty, bspencer, I need some quick explanations here. [10:29] agoliveira, shoot === Starting logfile irclogs/ubuntu-mobile.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === Topic for #ubuntu-mobile: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileAndEmbedded === Topic (#ubuntu-mobile): set by mdz at Mon May 14 14:24:09 2007 [10:56] (bspencer/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira, one file down (start-hildon added and pushed) [10:56] (bspencer/#ubuntu-mobile) agoliveira, working on rules... [11:02] agoliveira, oh, that was too easy. Sorry I was confused [11:03] git clone rsync://moblin.org/repos/projects/hildon-desktop.git [11:03] let me know if I should change [11:06] bspencer: Looks ok. [11:07] agoliveira, ok. I'm glad I looked at that. I'll change a couple things in our script. [11:07] agoliveira, this assumes that hildon-theme-mobile-basic package is in Ubuntu repo [11:07] agoliveira, do you know if that is the case? [11:07] Let me check [11:08] if not, then you can change the theme back to "plankton" [11:08] (hildon-theme-plankton) [11:08] bspencer, we have plankton only === bspencer_ [i=chatzill@nat/intel/x-47de0123a7163776] has joined #ubuntu-mobile [11:16] bspencer: What do you prefer? [11:17] I'll pause for a few minutes (wife complains that my day is over :) ) to a coffee and be back to close this issue. === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === javamaniac [n=gerardo@unaffiliated/javamaniac] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === fcarvalho [n=fcarvalh@200.184.118.132] has joined #ubuntu-mobile === agoliveira is back