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| === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Main FROZEN for tribe 3 please test CDs https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Kubuntu | ||
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| jjesse | evening | 03:03 |
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| nixternal | evening | 03:27 |
| ScottK | Good evening. How's morale? | 03:30 |
| jjesse | great here, how is yours? | 03:30 |
| ScottK | Moderate. | 03:31 |
| nixternal | mine is getting better each minute as soon as these silly microsoft courses complete | 03:38 |
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| manchicken | I'm going to have to learn to package so that I can package some of these kate plugins. | 08:08 |
| Hobbsee | hiya manchicken | 08:08 |
| manchicken | howdy :) | 08:08 |
| manchicken | It's way past my bedtime. | 08:08 |
| manchicken | But I'm so excited about the Dell I just picked out, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep or not. | 08:09 |
| manchicken | But crap, it's 0109... | 08:09 |
| manchicken | I'd better. | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 08:09 |
| manchicken | I've got a meeting at 1000 that I have to make. | 08:09 |
| manchicken | Nighty night :) | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | night! | 08:09 |
| manchicken | Don't let the pointy stick bite. | 08:09 |
| Hobbsee | heh | 08:10 |
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| Hobbsee | nixternal: when are you planning to test cds? | 08:33 |
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| Hobbsee | kubuntu i386 desktop seems fine | 10:17 |
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| _StefanS_ | hello | 11:00 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: hey ;) | 11:05 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: hey there | 11:05 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm just downloading kdelibs now to test out that stuff | 11:05 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: had a busy day yesterday | 11:06 |
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| _StefanS_ | hey manchicken_ | 11:06 |
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| doc__ | hi there | 11:42 |
| Riddell | kwwii: did you have a hand in any of this? http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/intel_mobiln_i_screen01.gif | 11:46 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: it seems to compile now without interfering with the current kdelibs/kdeui stuff (i.e. no patch needed for kabapi.cc .. ) | 12:30 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so thats good news. | 12:30 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: super :) | 12:33 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: sent me the patch if you want tests to be performed | 12:33 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep its really cool, so when this works: 1) update kdesudo bzr code 2) compare fade code / method with logout to have it working on YOUR machine ;) | 12:34 |
| xerosis | how can i package changes to code from apt-get source? | 12:34 |
| _StefanS_ | xerosis: like official changes? | 12:34 |
| _StefanS_ | xerosis: in that case you need to make a debdiff, or regular diff and submit them to Tonio_, Riddell, or Hobbsee | 12:35 |
| _StefanS_ | thats what I do ;D | 12:35 |
| xerosis | _StefanS_: unofficial | 12:35 |
| _StefanS_ | xerosis: just change the code and issue a sudo debuild -nc | 12:35 |
| _StefanS_ | xerosis: it will then create debs in parent dir | 12:35 |
| xerosis | _StefanS_: thanks | 12:35 |
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| _StefanS_ | xerosis: cant remember if you need to apply patches first (sudo make -f debian/rules apply-patches) | 12:36 |
| _StefanS_ | xerosis: actually I think debuild does that also.. | 12:36 |
| xerosis | _StefanS_: okay, will try | 12:36 |
| _StefanS_ | xerosis: there's also a more formal (debian) way to do it .. but cant really remember the details. debuild works for me :D | 12:37 |
| xerosis | _StefanS_: it's only to try a patch works before submitting so that'll do for me :) | 12:38 |
| _StefanS_ | mkay :D | 12:38 |
| kwwii | Riddell: yes, I have been working on this | 12:51 |
| kwwii | Riddell: there are other pics I made on that website | 12:52 |
| Riddell | thought I saw your hand in them :) | 12:53 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: my problem is probably more generic | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: linked to hardware, but I'm pretty sure there is a way to reproduce | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: this WE I'll fix a very very old bug | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: kcontrol/region that doesn't read the ENV | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll fix this one | 01:08 |
| Hobbsee | hi Tonio_ | 01:08 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: hey Hobbsee | 01:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm sure we can fix it | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: not that easy in fact, the point is that the default locale is hardcoded | 01:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ehh default locale ? :) | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | we need to make it read tne value defined in /etc/default/locale | 01:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: what are you talking about ? | 01:09 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: go in systemsettings, region | 01:10 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what will it do with the environment settings? | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | you can set the kde system lang here, then click on default | 01:10 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: so should kdesudo react to that, is it what you mean? | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: the point is that kde isn't fully french on a default install for example, unless you set the systemsettings value to be french | 01:10 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: nothing to do with kdesudo :) | 01:11 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: ah ok.. you got me confused | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | erm...who broke kmilo? | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that causes a few issues you can't see due to english computer :) | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: for example a few context menus aren't translated etc.... | 01:11 |
| Hobbsee | or at least, the mute one | 01:11 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we have 2 fixes to do for this : kcontrol should use the default locale when clicking on default | 01:12 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: and also the default lang should be set correctly on initial login | 01:12 |
| _StefanS_ | uhm did someone else notice administrative mode dont work for the login manager? | 01:13 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: are you using kdesudo ? | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: currently kdesudo replaces kdesu and doesn't work in kcontrol :) that may explain | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: donno.. nothing launches | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | ah ok | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: look if /usr/bin/kdesu points to kdesudo | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: ping ? ;) | 01:14 |
| _StefanS_ | ok | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that's what mhb will do before we can release the tarball | 01:14 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: that's the purpose of the nonewdcop command line feature | 01:15 |
| Tonio_ | 10$ to the one who can tell me how to set the default police size for qt4 | 01:18 |
| Tonio_ | no way to find that one | 01:18 |
| Hobbsee | police size? | 01:19 |
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| mhb | 10$ ? | 01:22 |
| kwwii | 10$ american or canadian? | 01:26 |
| kwwii | :p | 01:27 |
| Hobbsee | or australian | 01:27 |
| Hobbsee | as long as it's not 10 yen or something | 01:27 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: fonts size by default sorry | 01:31 |
| Tonio_ | police is the french work for fonts | 01:31 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: shouldn't we discuss the media:/ -> /media patch ? | 01:31 |
| Hobbsee | ahhh | 01:32 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: I asked sime and he shrugged a bit and wandered off | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it seems to me that lots of people agree it wouldn't be wrong removing this one | 01:32 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: hum, well I can understand him | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: did you tell him the idea was from me ? :) | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: if yes he might hate me now | 01:32 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there is a part of the simplication I wanna keep | 01:34 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: just use media:/ by default | 01:34 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: it is not a matter of removing all the work he has done | 01:34 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: another bug I found is just boot with a cd in | 01:35 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: sometimes the desktop icon is good, sometimes it just appears as a folder, means you cannot umount it | 01:35 |
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| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the compile went fine, I will prepare a patch soon | 01:42 |
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| Riddell | desktop icon? | 01:46 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: desktop entry for the cdrom | 01:46 |
| Riddell | I've not seen that | 01:47 |
| Riddell | however, I'm not against removing the patches | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I saw that 2 minutes ago | 01:47 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I propose to discuss this once and for all in the next meeting | 01:48 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: what would have changed compared to the last meeting? | 01:49 |
| Tonio_ | I don't think so and most of the people agreed on my proposal, so.... | 01:49 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: you really have to get the info out ot everyone first, so they can think on it - and make sure that they do | 01:50 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: what they do ? | 01:50 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: read on it and think on it | 01:50 |
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| mhb | Tonio_: where can I read that? | 01:52 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: well that's not a super major change, bt of course that means the old issues will be back | 01:53 |
| Hobbsee | true | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | as for example gimp openiing a file on a usb key :) | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: but on that point, there is documentation ovedr the web | 01:53 |
| Tonio_ | that's a known problem the user can search for a solution | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | true | 01:54 |
| Tonio_ | which is not true with the issues created by the patches | 01:54 |
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| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: btw we can invite the user to use krita :) | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | besides, my brain's deaded now, so... | 01:54 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: you didn't commit kdebase ubuntu10 to bzr | 01:54 |
| Riddell | (I've done it now) | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | sounds good. now, if only i could figure out how krita works... | 01:54 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: bugger. could have sworn i tried to | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | Hobbsee: did you see the screenshot I did with media:/ compared to /media ? | 01:55 |
| Riddell | yes, your changelog suggests you did | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | apologies | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | that the best evidence of the problem :) | 01:55 |
| Riddell | also we reached 99 in kdebase patch numbers | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | Tonio_: dont think so. | 01:55 |
| Riddell | for now I've gone on to 9901 | 01:55 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, that scares me | 01:55 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: there are holes in the list | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | how many patches do we really have ? | 01:56 |
| Tonio_ | 70 maybe ? | 01:56 |
| Hobbsee | how many of those are pre kde 3.5, and how many should actually be there? | 01:56 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: sure, but we don't want to just start filling in the missing numbers, they have to be applied in order | 01:56 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: 62 patches here | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: then we have to rename them from 01 to 62 | 01:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: I can do that if you are interested | 01:57 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: ug no, that looses history | 01:57 |
| Riddell | "what does patch kubntu_62 do".. goes to search changelog for kubntu_62, hmm, nothing there | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | hmm, kubuntu stuff still needs testing | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | !i386 desktop | 01:58 |
| ubotu | Sorry, I don't know anything about i386 desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: bah we have to detail the renaming in the changelog :) | 01:58 |
| Hobbsee | er, !i386 desktop | 01:58 |
| mhb | Tonio_: where is your proposal described? | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: no bt I must say you are right on that point | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: proposal described ? | 01:58 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: ho I don't have the file anymore | 01:58 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: i386 desktop looks tested to me https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/test/504 | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: we can discuss that toonight if you want, I'd appreciate your feedback | 01:59 |
| Hobbsee | Riddell: yes, as != is not equal to | 01:59 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: a bit long to fully describe here | 01:59 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I thought you had it written in a mail or such | 01:59 |
| mhb | Tonio_: or an info webpage could be handy | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I wrote an html file but that was long time ago | 02:00 |
| Riddell | Hobbsee: ah | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I'll search in the meeting minutes, that's probably in there | 02:00 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: btw, I know you will hate me for this (appologies), but any news concerning kdesudo ? no problem if none, that's just for my information | 02:00 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the patch is headed your way. Will update kdesudo soon. | 02:01 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: or atleasy try to fix the problem... | 02:01 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: great, did you send that to me by email ? | 02:02 |
| _StefanS_ | yup | 02:02 |
| === Tonio_ wonders if mhb already ignores/hates him or just hasn't read the channel.... | ||
| === Tonio_ his affraid | ||
| Tonio_ | s/his/is | 02:03 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: mhb is lovely and cute. he wouldn't hate anyone | 02:03 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: the kdesudo works in my end (with the new api changes) ofcourse it still has the fade problems, but atleast we're not confusing other kde apps | 02:05 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: change the order of the parameters on line 45: : KPasswordDialog(WType_Popup, KPasswordDialog::Password, false, (withIgnoreButton ? User1: false), icon, parent, name) | 02:06 |
| _StefanS_ | and sorry for pasting it in the channel. | 02:06 |
| mhb | eh, sorry for being away for a minute | 02:06 |
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| Riddell | change the order? that's an API break | 02:06 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: hey its a new function its referring to. Dont worry. | 02:07 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: the old one is still there. | 02:07 |
| Riddell | can't you just subclass KPasswordDialog rather than playing with kdelibs? | 02:07 |
| mhb | Tonio_: on the contrary, I guess you have to hate me for not being able to fix it | 02:08 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: nope.. KDialogBase doesn't have support for setting WType_Popup anywhere, which makes the stuff we want to do kdesudo impossible. | 02:08 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: but something in qt must? | 02:09 |
| Riddell | do you create a new class which implements KPasswordDialog and set WType_Popup in the constructor | 02:09 |
| Riddell | s/do/so/ | 02:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: yes, Qdialog does. But then we'll have to duplicate everything that KPasswordDialog can.. | 02:09 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I created a new class, yes. | 02:09 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I will never hate someone for taking his time to do something as a benevolent :) | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: that's the basic concept of respect imho, so no I won't blame you :) | 02:12 |
| _StefanS_ | gotta run. be back in 20mins. | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: I would rather blame me for not beeing able to do it myself | 02:12 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: the point is that if you can't find the time to do it, we can ask for help too (riddell, manchicken, _StefanS_ etc...), no ? :) | 02:13 |
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| jjesse | morning | 02:13 |
| mhb | Tonio_: I am sure, whoever has mastered dcop arts and C++ can take over it | 02:14 |
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| Tonio_ | arts ? | 02:15 |
| Tonio_ | mhb: what's arts doing in the list ? | 02:15 |
| mhb | the arts of dcop | 02:15 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: why would you have to duplicate everything, you just implement KPasswordDialog | 02:15 |
| RadiantFire | good morning mhb | 02:15 |
| mhb | good morning RadiantFire | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: no need of a kdelibs patch in that case right ? | 02:16 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: we're just talking about the "dcop" thing we tried to solve the other day | 02:16 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: with kdesudo | 02:16 |
| RadiantFire | yeah, I saw some of it in the scrollback | 02:16 |
| Tonio_ | hi RadiantFire :) | 02:16 |
| RadiantFire | hi | 02:16 |
| RadiantFire | i guess it was never solved then | 02:17 |
| mhb | RadiantFire: perhaps you could help me with it a bit | 02:20 |
| RadiantFire | sure | 02:20 |
| RadiantFire | i've got some time before work | 02:20 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: maybe it can be done after all, I might totally wrong.. It seems like atleast KDialog supports wflags. I will look into it | 02:29 |
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| jjesse | ? | 02:43 |
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| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: looked at your patch , are you sure this one won't corrupt amarok ? | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: I'll make tests before commiting, if you don't mind ;) | 02:49 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: yep I'm pretty sure, but do test it. I heard no complaining from kabapi.cc this time | 02:49 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: oki :) | 02:50 |
| Tonio_ | _StefanS_: well I'll test with amarok | 02:50 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: did you find someone to help with that cache thingy for moodin ? | 02:53 |
| Riddell | _StefanS_: not yet | 02:54 |
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| MidMark | hi, I'm having big visual bugs with today's qt 4.3 in feisty-backports with skype 1.4 | 02:55 |
| MidMark | someone else? | 02:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: maybe I can help after we get that kdesudo fixed.. btw; I just talked to a c++ friend of mine, and it seems like that its not very easy to subclass | 02:55 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: (on kdesudo) | 02:55 |
| Riddell | MidMark: I seem to remember skype had issues with qt 4.3, what about other qt 4 apps? | 02:56 |
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: I will have to throw in the towel on that one.. thats for sure. | 02:56 |
| MidMark | Riddell: well with previous 4.2.3 there was no problems, I'm also a linux betatester and here there is no idea why it's like this in ubuntu | 02:56 |
| MidMark | main devels has qt 4.3 too but none of this problems | 02:56 |
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| MidMark | *skype for linux betatester | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: katapult still autostarts | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: as I told you, it has to be started in a session, like kmix, not to autostart, basically because only the session manager remember the app state (aka reduced in the tray) and will not display it | 02:57 |
| hunger | Tonio_: Same here. | 02:57 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: that's why I added the katapult session | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: we have to add it back and patch katapult to remove the autostart | 02:58 |
| Tonio_ | Riddell: want me to do it ? | 02:58 |
| Riddell | Tonio_: yes, please do | 02:59 |
| Tonio_ | hunger: I said it yesterday before kds upload but nobody wants to listen to me :'( | 02:59 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: oki, will do that toonight, I'm at work right now | 02:59 |
| kwwii | is there anywhere in kde to set the screen brightness? | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: the physical one ? | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | or the logical one ? | 03:00 |
| RadiantFire | there is a gamme control somewhere in display | 03:00 |
| Tonio_ | I mean the one set via the acpi or the one set with your driver ? | 03:01 |
| kwwii | Tonio_: I just want my screen to not be so bright...touching the button the computer makes everything go black and then I have to reboot | 03:01 |
| MidMark | Riddell: do you want screenshots about the problem? | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: you can set the second, not the first | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: ah oki, for that you might be able to use systemsettings | 03:01 |
| Tonio_ | go in display | 03:01 |
| kwwii | nothing to do with brightness there | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: true that's only gamma, sorry for the bad info.... | 03:02 |
| Riddell | MidMark: sure | 03:02 |
| Hobbsee | MidMark and anyone else: please test cds if you're bored. (i386 alternate, amd64 alternate and desktop) | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: what is your chipset ? | 03:02 |
| kwwii | intel | 03:02 |
| Riddell | MidMark: I'm out for 30 minutes now, if you have binaries someone can try testing on gutsy too | 03:02 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: I think with ATI the amdccle tool makes it possible to do it | 03:03 |
| kwwii | well, with gnome I can do it without a problem :-( | 03:03 |
| Tonio_ | kwwii: ah :/ | 03:04 |
| _StefanS_ | Tonio_: I'm off now.. be back in the evening to hear about the reports on kdelibs<->amarok.. I will look at fixing that fade also.. gotta sleep some. | 03:04 |
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| kwwii | oh well, me starts gnome | 03:05 |
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| MidMark | someone that want to try skype 1.4 beta on gutsy? | 03:06 |
| MidMark | http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu | 03:06 |
| MidMark | and tell me if systray icon is ok | 03:07 |
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| MidMark | Hobbsee: I can test cd tomorrow night or on we on my virtualbox if can be helpful | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | how many hours is tomorrow night? | 03:54 |
| Hobbsee | er, hours away | 03:54 |
| MidMark | lol :) | 03:54 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt remember your tz | ||
| MidMark | you are right, I'm in GMT+1 | 03:55 |
| Hobbsee | i'd hope to see it released by then | 03:55 |
| MidMark | ops sorry | 03:55 |
| MidMark | ok I discovered the problem | 04:10 |
| MidMark | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=430907 | 04:10 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 430907 in libqt4-gui "libqt4-gui: Artifacts in system tray icons" [Normal,Fixed] | 04:10 |
| MidMark | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431436 | 04:10 |
| ubotu | Debian bug 431436 in libqt4-gui "4.3.0-2: Problems with tray icon" [Normal,Fixed] | 04:10 |
| MidMark | both are fixed in qt-4.3.0-3 from debian | 04:11 |
| MidMark | so 4.3.0-2ubuntu1 are broken atm in feisty | 04:11 |
| MidMark | Riddell: bug report? ^ | 04:11 |
| Hobbsee | is this the stuff in -backports, or actually in the release? | 04:11 |
| MidMark | -backports | 04:12 |
| MidMark | but all people that has enabled that one has broken qt | 04:12 |
| Hobbsee | yummy | 04:13 |
| MidMark | should I bugreport? | 04:13 |
| Hobbsee | yeah, under feisty-backports project, i expect | 04:13 |
| ScottK | MidMark: Please do and then ping me when you've done it. | 04:14 |
| MidMark | ScottK: perfect | 04:15 |
| === ScottK notes he has backports enabled, but hadn't upgraded yet.... | ||
| MidMark | Hobbsee: I BR against qt and then feisty-backports or what? | 04:15 |
| Hobbsee | MidMark: i think feisty-backports is actually a project | 04:16 |
| ScottK | Just backports | 04:16 |
| === Hobbsee doesnt touch backports | ||
| ScottK | It's a project | 04:16 |
| === Hobbsee rarely runs the backported release, so has no need to. | ||
| ScottK | If you report it against QT, Hobbsee will just mark it invalid. | 04:16 |
| === Hobbsee gets out the invalid stick | ||
| MidMark | ok found it :) | 04:16 |
| MidMark | no need to invalid me :) | 04:16 |
| === Hobbsee invalidates ScottK instead. | ||
| === ScottK gets fed up and starts uploading all the draft packages on REVU safe in the knowledge that there is no process to fire a MOTU. | ||
| ScottK | ;-) | 04:19 |
| mhb | I knew invalid terrorizing will arrive sooner or later :o) | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yet. | 04:19 |
| ScottK | Heh. | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: beleive me. yet. | 04:19 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: I'm with you on that. | 04:19 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i tried, and didnt get much traction on making a procses for it at UDS. | 04:19 |
| ScottK | You need to goad someone expendable (not me please) into doing something so spectactularly stupid that it's obvious they must be fired. | 04:20 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Do you have a way to see how the qt update got published in feisty-backports? I don't find a backports bug for it and that's the usual process. | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: you can see who's uploaded it | 04:21 |
| MidMark | ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/126766 | 04:21 |
| === ScottK slaps forehead. | ||
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 126766 in feisty-backports "latest qt 4.3 backports produces visual corruption during scrolling and in the systray" [Undecided,New] | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i believe that approving a whole lot of syncs, because the diff was empty, counts. | 04:21 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 04:21 |
| MidMark | screenshots needed? | 04:22 |
| ScottK | Not just yet. | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | there is no *way* a diff can be empty, and be a ubuntu revision. | 04:22 |
| ScottK | I'm still doing archive forensics. | 04:22 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: Of your two favorites, was it the first or second alphabetically that did that? | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: it was both of them, i think. | 04:23 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | definetly the former | 04:23 |
| ScottK | The later appears to have some use, but isn't careful enough. | 04:23 |
| ScottK | He's helped me solve a few bugs. | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | true | 04:23 |
| Hobbsee | i mean, if the diff is empty, yet you need to request a sync, then....dont the warning bells even start ringing a little bit? | 04:24 |
| MidMark | ScottK: I haven't understood, screenshot needed or not? | 04:26 |
| ScottK | Not yet. Probably not. | 04:26 |
| MidMark | ok if yes write in the br | 04:27 |
| ScottK | I'm still trying to understand how that got into backports. | 04:27 |
| ScottK | OK. WIll do. | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: because backports has been accepting crack recently | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: and hasn't been checking so carefully, so is not picking up errors, etc | 04:27 |
| ScottK | Well hasn't been checking carefully isn't the ones I've acked. | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: yeah, i didnt think they were you | 04:28 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i was thinking of the backports people who arent motu's. | 04:28 |
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| Hobbsee | oh, and a flashplayer update from a while ago. | 04:29 |
| ScottK | Yeah. | 04:29 |
| ScottK | Apparently motu-hood is now a requirement for new people. | 04:29 |
| Hobbsee | yay! | 04:29 |
| ScottK | So when LP says "Uploaded By" that's the one that did it, right? | 04:30 |
| ScottK | I mean for the backport. | 04:31 |
| ScottK | Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.3.0-2ubuntu1~feisty1 | 04:31 |
| ScottK | Is that who I think it is that uploaded that? | 04:31 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: possibly. he could have also processed it, so be listed | 04:32 |
| ScottK | Hmmm | 04:32 |
| ScottK | Well there's no paper trail in feisty-backports, so I guess I have to ask him... | 04:33 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you backport 4.3.0-2ubuntu1~feisty1? It seems to be causing some problems. | 04:33 |
| MidMark | ScottK: yes downloaded that one this morning | 04:34 |
| MidMark | exactly that version | 04:34 |
| MidMark | about 6 hours ago | 04:34 |
| ScottK | Right. I'm trying to figure out who backported it and why and stick them with cleaning up the mess. | 04:34 |
| Riddell | ScottK: yes, me, I'll merge with debian to fix | 04:35 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Thanks. Please use Bug #126766 to track it. | 04:36 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 126766 in feisty-backports "latest qt 4.3 backports produces visual corruption during scrolling and in the systray" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126766 | 04:36 |
| ScottK | MidMark: No screen shots needed. | 04:36 |
| Riddell | I asked for the screen shots :) | 04:36 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 04:36 |
| ScottK | MidMark: ^^^ | 04:36 |
| MidMark | ScottK: if I provide more than needed is better than less ;) | 04:37 |
| ScottK | Yes | 04:37 |
| MidMark | just attached | 04:37 |
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| MidMark | bye to all | 04:44 |
| ScottK | Riddell and Hobbsee: I note that same version is in Gutsy. Is that going to be a bad thing for Tribe 3? | 04:44 |
| ScottK | Bye | 04:44 |
| Riddell | ScottK: nobody has noticed it thus far until today | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | ScottK: i'm not delaying tribe 3 over it, so... | 04:45 |
| ScottK | OK | 04:45 |
| ScottK | Just thought I'd mention it. | 04:45 |
| Hobbsee | if someone could fix that, and upload it... | 04:46 |
| === ScottK recalls the guy who backported it saying he'd merge the fix. I'm sure he meant in Gutsy first... | ||
| Riddell | are you talking about me? | 04:50 |
| ScottK | Yes | 04:50 |
| Riddell | yes, I'll upload to gutsy | 04:51 |
| Riddell | it won't get fixed until after freeze | 04:51 |
| ScottK | Of course. | 04:51 |
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| Riddell | nixternal: able to do us a Tribe 3 page? I put some points on the page | 05:42 |
| nixternal | I was just getting ready to start it :) | 05:51 |
| nixternal | good deal, thanks for giving me something to use/work with | 05:51 |
| DaSkreech | :-) | 05:51 |
| Hobbsee | ubuntu page also has a bit | 05:52 |
| ScottK | let us know where the's a URL to complain <<<<< review and provide helpful comments on. | 05:52 |
| Hobbsee | haha | 05:54 |
| shtylman | when is tribe 3 slated for release? | 05:55 |
| Hobbsee | thursday | 05:55 |
| shtylman | cool | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | shtylman: grab a current kubuntu cd and test it out | 05:56 |
| shtylman | I already have tribe 2 installed :P | 05:56 |
| Hobbsee | then dist-upgrade... | 05:56 |
| shtylman | indeed I will | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | if you keep doing your upgrades, you'll already be at tribe 3 | 05:57 |
| shtylman | yea...I was just curious when the next cdimg would be out | 05:57 |
| Hobbsee | ahh | 05:57 |
| Riddell | shtylman: use the dist upgrade tool and report if it succeeds or not | 05:58 |
| shtylman | adept updater? | 05:59 |
| shtylman | or the separate tool? | 05:59 |
| Riddell | the separate tool | 05:59 |
| Riddell | http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/gutsy.tar.gz | 05:59 |
| shtylman | kk...want me to use it for tribe2->3 or for fawn->gutsy | 06:01 |
| Riddell | either | 06:01 |
| shtylman | k | 06:01 |
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| jjesse | afternoon :) | 07:37 |
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| DaSkreech | hi | 07:39 |
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| ScottK | Well the libqt4 thing in feisty-backports just got it's first dupe, so more people are noticing. | 08:41 |
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| nixternal | hrmm, in Gnome, you can't set your display properties like you can in KDE | 08:49 |
| nixternal | so in order for me to use it, I have to manually edit xorg..what a disappointment | 08:49 |
| ScottK | nixternal: There's lots of stuff you can't edit in Gnome. They're proud of it. | 08:51 |
| nixternal | no doubt..that is sad | 08:52 |
| nixternal | my brother, who is a complete computard called me and said that Ubuntu sucks | 08:53 |
| nixternal | he was able to easily manipulate KDE (kubuntu) to his liking in an hour...and that actually impressed me | 08:53 |
| nixternal | so, I need to do a dpkg-reconfigure in gnome just to get my settings | 08:54 |
| nixternal | the easiest yet is PCLinuxOS with setting up your display, with kubuntu right behind it | 08:54 |
| ScottK | But you don't understand nixternal. The poor users will be confused if you give them choices. | 08:54 |
| jjesse | ii thought that was why you used windows | 08:54 |
| ScottK | OK, well get to patching then. Let's be #1. | 08:54 |
| nixternal | that would be a fairly large patch seeing they use an offshoot of Yast | 08:55 |
| ScottK | Ah. | 08:55 |
| ScottK | I don't mind if you spend a lot of time working on it ;_) | 08:55 |
| nixternal | haha | 08:56 |
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| _StefanS_ | evening | 09:06 |
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| === _StefanS_ is wondering how to download the kubuntu pre-tribe 3 cd's from that url in the topic.. | ||
| _StefanS_ | Riddell: ^ ? | 10:45 |
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| Tonio_ | heya :) | 11:22 |
| Tm_P | yo | 11:22 |
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| DaSkreech | ZzZzzzzz | 11:22 |
| Tonio_ | DaSkreech: yop :) | 11:23 |
| Tonio_ | Tm_P: yo | 11:23 |
| Tm_P | I think I might try only use pda now except for video and music | 11:23 |
| Tm_P | humm | 11:24 |
| TheInfinity | hmm ... btw - is there any strategy to test the alpha versions? i have now the possibility to have alpha versions in VM so i could test, but except a apt-get error everything is ok ;) | 11:25 |
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| Tonio_ | Riddell: I'll prepare the packages to upload tomorrow, that includes kds, kdelibs and a few others | 11:26 |
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| Tonio_ | :'( | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | bzr is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW | 11:38 |
| Tonio_ | 15 minutes to grab the kds bzr branch | 11:38 |
| DaSkreech | Tonio_: try cathedral | 11:55 |
| DaSkreech | It's no faster but at least it will keep you in awe | 11:55 |
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| fdoving | Tonio_: git is fast. | 12:11 |
| fdoving | we should all exercise more http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=515642196227308929&q=parkour | 12:12 |
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