[03:03] <jjesse>      evening
[03:27] <nixternal> evening
[03:30] <ScottK> Good evening.  How's morale?
[03:30] <jjesse> great here, how is yours?
[03:31] <ScottK> Moderate.
[03:38] <nixternal> mine is getting better each minute as soon as these silly microsoft courses complete
[08:08] <manchicken> I'm going to have to learn to package so that I can package some of these kate plugins.
[08:08] <Hobbsee> hiya manchicken
[08:08] <manchicken> howdy :)
[08:08] <manchicken> It's way past my bedtime.
[08:09] <manchicken> But I'm so excited about the Dell I just picked out, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep or not.
[08:09] <manchicken> But crap, it's 0109...
[08:09] <manchicken> I'd better.
[08:09] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:09] <manchicken> I've got a meeting at 1000 that I have to make.
[08:09] <manchicken> Nighty night :)
[08:09] <Hobbsee> night!
[08:09] <manchicken> Don't let the pointy stick bite.
[08:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[08:33] <Hobbsee> nixternal: when are you planning to test cds?
[10:17] <Hobbsee> kubuntu i386 desktop seems fine
[11:00] <_StefanS_> hello
[11:05] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: hey ;)
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey there
[11:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just downloading kdelibs now to test out that stuff
[11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: had a busy day yesterday
[11:06] <_StefanS_> hey manchicken_
[11:42] <doc__> hi there
[11:46] <Riddell> kwwii: did you have a hand in any of this? http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/intel_mobiln_i_screen01.gif
[12:30] <_StefanS_>  Tonio_: it seems to compile now without interfering with the current kdelibs/kdeui stuff (i.e. no patch needed for kabapi.cc .. )
[12:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so thats good news.
[12:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: super :)
[12:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: sent me the patch if you want tests to be performed
[12:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep its really cool, so when this works: 1) update kdesudo bzr code 2) compare fade code / method with logout to have it working on YOUR machine ;)
[12:34] <xerosis> how can i package changes to code from apt-get source?
[12:34] <_StefanS_> xerosis: like official changes?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> xerosis: in that case you need to make a debdiff, or regular diff and submit them to Tonio_, Riddell, or Hobbsee
[12:35] <_StefanS_> thats what I do ;D
[12:35] <xerosis> _StefanS_: unofficial
[12:35] <_StefanS_> xerosis: just change the code and issue a sudo debuild -nc
[12:35] <_StefanS_> xerosis: it will then create debs in parent dir
[12:35] <xerosis> _StefanS_: thanks
[12:36] <_StefanS_> xerosis: cant remember if you need to apply patches first (sudo make -f debian/rules apply-patches)
[12:36] <_StefanS_> xerosis: actually I think debuild does that also..
[12:36] <xerosis> _StefanS_: okay, will try
[12:37] <_StefanS_> xerosis: there's also a more formal (debian) way to do it .. but cant really remember the details. debuild works for me :D
[12:38] <xerosis> _StefanS_: it's only to try a patch works before submitting so that'll do for me :)
[12:38] <_StefanS_> mkay :D
[12:51] <kwwii> Riddell: yes, I have been working on this
[12:52] <kwwii> Riddell: there are other pics I made on that website
[12:53] <Riddell> thought I saw your hand in them :)
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: my problem is probably more generic
[01:08] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: linked to hardware, but I'm pretty sure there is a way to reproduce
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: this WE I'll fix a very very old bug
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: kcontrol/region that doesn't read the ENV
[01:08] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll fix this one
[01:08] <Hobbsee> hi Tonio_
[01:08] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: hey Hobbsee
[01:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm sure we can fix it
[01:09] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: not that easy in fact, the point is that the default locale is hardcoded
[01:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ehh default locale ? :)
[01:09] <Tonio_> we need to make it read tne value defined in /etc/default/locale
[01:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what are you talking about ?
[01:10] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: go in systemsettings, region
[01:10] <Riddell> Tonio_: what will it do with the environment settings?
[01:10] <Tonio_> you can set the kde system lang here, then click on default
[01:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so should kdesudo react to that, is it what you mean?
[01:10] <Tonio_> Riddell: the point is that kde isn't fully french on a default install for example, unless you set the systemsettings value to be french
[01:11] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: nothing to do with kdesudo :)
[01:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah ok.. you got me confused
[01:11] <Hobbsee> erm...who broke kmilo?
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: that causes a few issues you can't see due to english computer :)
[01:11] <Tonio_> Riddell: for example a few context menus aren't translated etc....
[01:11] <Hobbsee> or at least, the mute one
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have 2 fixes to do for this : kcontrol should use the default locale when clicking on default
[01:12] <Tonio_> Riddell: and also the default lang should be set correctly on initial login
[01:13] <_StefanS_> uhm did someone else notice administrative mode dont work for the login manager?
[01:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: are you using kdesudo ?
[01:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: currently kdesudo replaces kdesu and doesn't work in kcontrol :) that may explain
[01:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno.. nothing launches
[01:14] <_StefanS_> ah ok
[01:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: look if /usr/bin/kdesu points to kdesudo
[01:14] <Tonio_> mhb: ping ? ;)
[01:14] <_StefanS_> ok
[01:14] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's what mhb will do before we can release the tarball
[01:15] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: that's the purpose of the nonewdcop command line feature
[01:18] <Tonio_> 10$ to the one who can tell me how to set the default police size for qt4
[01:18] <Tonio_> no way to find that one
[01:19] <Hobbsee> police size?
[01:22] <mhb> 10$ ?
[01:26] <kwwii> 10$ american or canadian?
[01:27] <kwwii> :p
[01:27] <Hobbsee> or australian
[01:27] <Hobbsee> as long as it's not 10 yen or something
[01:31] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: fonts size by default sorry
[01:31] <Tonio_> police is the french work for fonts
[01:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: shouldn't we discuss the media:/ -> /media patch ?
[01:32] <Hobbsee> ahhh
[01:32] <Riddell> Tonio_: I asked sime and he shrugged a bit and wandered off
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: it seems to me that lots of people agree it wouldn't be wrong removing this one
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: hum, well I can understand him
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: did you tell him the idea was from me ? :)
[01:32] <Tonio_> Riddell: if yes he might hate me now
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: there is a part of the simplication I wanna keep
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: just use media:/ by default
[01:34] <Tonio_> Riddell: it is not a matter of removing all the work he has done
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: another bug I found is just boot with a cd in
[01:35] <Tonio_> Riddell: sometimes the desktop icon is good, sometimes it just appears as a folder, means you cannot umount it
[01:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the compile went fine, I will prepare a patch soon
[01:46] <Riddell> desktop icon?
[01:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: desktop entry for the cdrom
[01:47] <Riddell> I've not seen that
[01:47] <Riddell> however, I'm not against removing the patches
[01:47] <Tonio_> Riddell: I saw that 2 minutes ago
[01:48] <Tonio_> Riddell: I propose to discuss this once and for all in the next meeting
[01:49] <Riddell> Tonio_: what would have changed compared to the last meeting?
[01:49] <Tonio_> I don't think so and most of the people agreed on my proposal, so....
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: you really have to get the info out ot everyone first, so they can think on it - and make sure that they do
[01:50] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: what they do ?
[01:50] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: read on it and think on it
[01:52] <mhb> Tonio_: where can I read that?
[01:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: well that's not a super major change, bt of course that means the old issues will be back
[01:53] <Hobbsee> true
[01:53] <Tonio_> as for example gimp openiing a file on a usb key :)
[01:53] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: but on that point, there is documentation ovedr the web
[01:54] <Tonio_> that's a known problem the user can search for a solution
[01:54] <Hobbsee> true
[01:54] <Tonio_> which is not true with the issues created by the patches
[01:54] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: btw we can invite the user to use krita :)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> besides, my brain's deaded now, so...
[01:54] <Riddell> Hobbsee: you didn't commit kdebase ubuntu10 to bzr
[01:54] <Riddell> (I've done it now)
[01:54] <Hobbsee> sounds good.  now, if only i could figure out how krita works...
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Riddell: bugger.  could have sworn i tried to
[01:55] <Tonio_> Hobbsee: did you see the screenshot I did with media:/ compared to /media ?
[01:55] <Riddell> yes, your changelog suggests you did
[01:55] <Hobbsee> apologies
[01:55] <Tonio_> that the best evidence of the problem :)
[01:55] <Riddell> also we reached 99 in kdebase patch numbers
[01:55] <Hobbsee> Tonio_: dont think so.
[01:55] <Riddell> for now I've gone on to 9901
[01:55] <Hobbsee> yeah, that scares me
[01:56] <Tonio_> Riddell: there are holes in the list
[01:56] <Tonio_> how many patches do we really have ?
[01:56] <Tonio_> 70 maybe ?
[01:56] <Hobbsee> how many of those are pre kde 3.5, and how many should actually be there?
[01:56] <Riddell> Tonio_: sure, but we don't want to just start filling in the missing numbers, they have to be applied in order
[01:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: 62 patches here
[01:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: then we have to rename them from 01 to 62
[01:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: I can do that if you are interested
[01:57] <Riddell> Tonio_: ug no, that looses history
[01:58] <Riddell> "what does patch kubntu_62 do".. goes to search changelog for kubntu_62, hmm, nothing there
[01:58] <Hobbsee> hmm, kubuntu stuff still needs testing
[01:58] <Hobbsee> !i386 desktop
[01:58] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about i386 desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: bah we have to detail the renaming in the changelog :)
[01:58] <Hobbsee> er, !i386 desktop
[01:58] <mhb> Tonio_: where is your proposal described?
[01:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: no bt I must say you are right on that point
[01:58] <Tonio_> mhb: proposal described ?
[01:58] <Tonio_> mhb: ho I don't have the file anymore
[01:59] <Riddell> Hobbsee: i386 desktop looks tested to me https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/test/504
[01:59] <Tonio_> mhb: we can discuss that toonight if you want, I'd appreciate your feedback
[01:59] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yes, as != is not equal to
[01:59] <Tonio_> mhb: a bit long to fully describe here
[01:59] <mhb> Tonio_: I thought you had it written in a mail or such
[02:00] <mhb> Tonio_: or an info webpage could be handy
[02:00] <Tonio_> mhb: I wrote an html file but that was long time ago
[02:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: ah
[02:00] <Tonio_> mhb: I'll search in the meeting minutes, that's probably in there
[02:00] <Tonio_> mhb: btw, I know you will hate me for this (appologies), but any news concerning kdesudo ? no problem if none, that's just for my information
[02:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the patch is headed your way. Will update kdesudo soon.
[02:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: or atleasy try to fix the problem...
[02:02] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: great, did you send that to me by email ?
[02:02] <_StefanS_> yup
[02:03] <Tonio_> s/his/is
[02:03] <Riddell> Tonio_: mhb is lovely and cute.  he wouldn't hate anyone
[02:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the kdesudo works in my end (with the new api changes) ofcourse it still has the fade problems, but atleast we're not confusing other kde apps
[02:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: change the order of the parameters on line 45: 	: KPasswordDialog(WType_Popup, KPasswordDialog::Password, false, (withIgnoreButton ? User1: false), icon, parent, name)
[02:06] <_StefanS_> and sorry for pasting it in the channel.
[02:06] <mhb> eh, sorry for being away for a minute
[02:06] <Riddell> change the order?  that's an API break
[02:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey its a new function its referring to. Dont worry.
[02:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the old one is still there.
[02:07] <Riddell> can't you just subclass KPasswordDialog rather than playing with kdelibs?
[02:08] <mhb> Tonio_: on the contrary, I guess you have to hate me for not being able to fix it
[02:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope.. KDialogBase doesn't have support for setting WType_Popup anywhere, which makes the stuff we want to do kdesudo impossible.
[02:09] <Riddell> _StefanS_: but something in qt must?
[02:09] <Riddell> do you create a new class which implements KPasswordDialog and set WType_Popup in the constructor
[02:09] <Riddell> s/do/so/
[02:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, Qdialog does. But then we'll have to duplicate everything that KPasswordDialog can..
[02:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I created a new class, yes.
[02:12] <Tonio_> mhb: I will never hate someone for taking his time to do something as a benevolent :)
[02:12] <Tonio_> mhb: that's the basic concept of respect imho, so no I won't blame you :)
[02:12] <_StefanS_> gotta run. be back in 20mins.
[02:12] <Tonio_> mhb: I would rather blame me for not beeing able to do it myself
[02:13] <Tonio_> mhb: the point is that if you can't find the time to do it, we can ask for help too (riddell, manchicken, _StefanS_ etc...), no ? :)
[02:13] <jjesse> morning
[02:14] <mhb> Tonio_: I am sure, whoever has mastered dcop arts and C++ can take over it
[02:15] <Tonio_> arts ?
[02:15] <Tonio_> mhb: what's arts doing in the list ?
[02:15] <mhb> the arts of dcop
[02:15] <Riddell> _StefanS_: why would you have to duplicate everything, you just implement KPasswordDialog
[02:15] <RadiantFire> good morning mhb
[02:16] <mhb> good morning RadiantFire
[02:16] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no need of a kdelibs patch in that case right ?
[02:16] <mhb> RadiantFire: we're just talking about the "dcop" thing we tried to solve the other day
[02:16] <mhb> RadiantFire: with kdesudo
[02:16] <RadiantFire> yeah, I saw some of it in the scrollback
[02:16] <Tonio_> hi RadiantFire :)
[02:16] <RadiantFire> hi
[02:17] <RadiantFire> i guess it was never solved then
[02:20] <mhb> RadiantFire: perhaps you could help me with it a bit
[02:20] <RadiantFire> sure
[02:20] <RadiantFire> i've got some time before work
[02:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe it can be done after all, I might totally wrong.. It seems like atleast KDialog supports wflags. I will look into it
[02:43] <jjesse> ?
[02:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: looked at your patch , are you sure this one won't corrupt amarok ?
[02:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I'll make tests before commiting, if you don't mind ;)
[02:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep I'm pretty sure, but do test it. I heard no complaining from kabapi.cc this time
[02:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: oki :)
[02:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: well I'll test with amarok
[02:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you find someone to help with that cache thingy for moodin ?
[02:54] <Riddell> _StefanS_: not yet
[02:55] <MidMark> hi, I'm having big visual bugs with today's qt 4.3 in feisty-backports with skype 1.4
[02:55] <MidMark> someone else?
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe I can help after we get that kdesudo fixed.. btw; I just talked to a c++ friend of mine, and it seems like that its not very easy to subclass
[02:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (on kdesudo)
[02:56] <Riddell> MidMark: I seem to remember skype had issues with qt 4.3, what about other qt 4 apps?
[02:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will have to throw in the towel on that one.. thats for sure.
[02:56] <MidMark> Riddell: well with previous 4.2.3 there was no problems, I'm also a linux betatester and here there is no idea why it's like this in ubuntu
[02:56] <MidMark> main devels has qt 4.3 too but none of this problems
[02:57] <MidMark> *skype for linux betatester
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: katapult still autostarts
[02:57] <Tonio_> Riddell: as I told you, it has to be started in a session, like kmix, not to autostart, basically because only the session manager remember the app state (aka reduced in the tray) and will not display it
[02:57] <hunger> Tonio_: Same here.
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: that's why I added the katapult session
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: we have to add it back and patch katapult to remove the autostart
[02:58] <Tonio_> Riddell: want me to do it ?
[02:59] <Riddell> Tonio_: yes, please do
[02:59] <Tonio_> hunger: I said it yesterday before kds upload but nobody wants to listen to me :'(
[02:59] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki, will do that toonight, I'm at work right now
[03:00] <kwwii> is there anywhere in kde to set the screen brightness?
[03:00] <Tonio_> kwwii: the physical one ?
[03:00] <Tonio_> or the logical one ?
[03:00] <RadiantFire> there is a gamme control somewhere in display
[03:01] <Tonio_> I mean the one set via the acpi or the one set with your driver ?
[03:01] <kwwii> Tonio_: I just want my screen to not be so bright...touching the button the computer makes everything go black and then I have to reboot
[03:01] <MidMark> Riddell: do you want screenshots about the problem?
[03:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: you can set the second, not the first
[03:01] <Tonio_> kwwii: ah oki, for that you might be able to use systemsettings
[03:01] <Tonio_> go in display
[03:02] <kwwii> nothing to do with brightness there
[03:02] <Tonio_> kwwii: true that's only gamma, sorry for the bad info....
[03:02] <Riddell> MidMark: sure
[03:02] <Hobbsee> MidMark and anyone else: please test cds if you're bored.  (i386 alternate, amd64 alternate and desktop)
[03:02] <Tonio_> kwwii: what is your chipset ?
[03:02] <kwwii> intel
[03:02] <Riddell> MidMark: I'm out for 30 minutes now, if you have binaries someone can try testing on gutsy too
[03:03] <Tonio_> kwwii: I think with ATI the amdccle tool makes it possible to do it
[03:03] <kwwii> well, with gnome I can do it without a problem :-(
[03:04] <Tonio_> kwwii: ah :/
[03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm off now.. be back in the evening to hear about the reports on kdelibs<->amarok.. I will look at fixing that fade also.. gotta sleep some.
[03:05] <kwwii> oh well, me starts gnome
[03:06] <MidMark> someone that want to try skype 1.4 beta on gutsy?
[03:06] <MidMark> http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu
[03:07] <MidMark> and tell me if systray icon is ok
[03:54] <MidMark> Hobbsee: I can test cd tomorrow night or on we on my virtualbox if can be helpful
[03:54] <Hobbsee> how many hours is tomorrow night?
[03:54] <Hobbsee> er, hours away
[03:54] <MidMark> lol :)
[03:55] <MidMark> you are right, I'm in GMT+1
[03:55] <Hobbsee> i'd hope to see it released by then
[03:55] <MidMark> ops sorry
[04:10] <MidMark> ok I discovered the problem
[04:10] <MidMark> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=430907
[04:10] <ubotu> Debian bug 430907 in libqt4-gui "libqt4-gui: Artifacts in system tray icons" [Normal,Fixed] 
[04:10] <MidMark> http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431436
[04:10] <ubotu> Debian bug 431436 in libqt4-gui "4.3.0-2: Problems with tray icon" [Normal,Fixed] 
[04:11] <MidMark> both are fixed in qt-4.3.0-3 from debian
[04:11] <MidMark> so 4.3.0-2ubuntu1 are broken atm in feisty
[04:11] <MidMark> Riddell: bug report? ^
[04:11] <Hobbsee> is this the stuff in -backports, or actually in the release?
[04:12] <MidMark> -backports
[04:12] <MidMark> but all people that has enabled that one has broken qt
[04:13] <Hobbsee> yummy
[04:13] <MidMark> should I bugreport?
[04:13] <Hobbsee> yeah, under feisty-backports project, i expect
[04:14] <ScottK> MidMark: Please do and then ping me when you've done it.
[04:15] <MidMark> ScottK: perfect
[04:15] <MidMark> Hobbsee: I BR against qt and then feisty-backports or what?
[04:16] <Hobbsee> MidMark: i think feisty-backports is actually a project
[04:16] <ScottK> Just backports
[04:16] <ScottK> It's a project
[04:16] <ScottK> If you report it against QT, Hobbsee will just mark it invalid.
[04:16] <MidMark> ok found it :)
[04:16] <MidMark> no need to invalid me :)
[04:19] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:19] <mhb> I knew invalid terrorizing will arrive sooner or later :o)
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yet.
[04:19] <ScottK> Heh.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ScottK: beleive me.  yet.
[04:19] <ScottK> Hobbsee: I'm with you on that.
[04:19] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i tried, and didnt get much traction on making a procses for it at UDS.
[04:20] <ScottK> You need to goad someone expendable (not me please) into doing something so spectactularly stupid that it's obvious they must be fired.
[04:21] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Do you have a way to see how the qt update got published in feisty-backports?  I don't find a backports bug for it and that's the usual process.
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ScottK: you can see who's uploaded it
[04:21] <MidMark> ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/126766
[04:21] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126766 in feisty-backports "latest qt 4.3 backports produces visual corruption during scrolling and in the systray" [Undecided,New] 
[04:21] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i believe that approving a whole lot of syncs, because the diff was empty, counts.
[04:21] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:22] <MidMark> screenshots needed?
[04:22] <ScottK> Not just yet.
[04:22] <Hobbsee> there is no *way* a diff can be empty, and be a ubuntu revision.
[04:22] <ScottK> I'm still doing archive forensics.
[04:22] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Of your two favorites, was it the first or second alphabetically that did that?
[04:23] <Hobbsee> ScottK: it was both of them, i think.
[04:23] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> definetly the former
[04:23] <ScottK> The later appears to have some use, but isn't careful enough.
[04:23] <ScottK> He's helped me solve a few bugs.
[04:23] <Hobbsee> true
[04:24] <Hobbsee> i mean, if the diff is empty, yet you need to request a sync, then....dont the warning bells even start ringing a little bit?
[04:26] <MidMark> ScottK: I haven't understood, screenshot needed or not?
[04:26] <ScottK> Not yet.  Probably not.
[04:27] <MidMark> ok if yes write in the br
[04:27] <ScottK> I'm still trying to understand how that got into backports.
[04:27] <ScottK> OK.  WIll do.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ScottK: because backports has been accepting crack recently
[04:27] <Hobbsee> ScottK: and hasn't been checking so carefully, so is not picking up errors, etc
[04:28] <ScottK> Well hasn't been checking carefully isn't the ones I've acked.
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: yeah, i didnt think they were you
[04:28] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i was thinking of the backports people who arent motu's.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> oh, and a flashplayer update from a while ago.
[04:29] <ScottK> Yeah.
[04:29] <ScottK> Apparently motu-hood is now a requirement for new people.
[04:29] <Hobbsee> yay!
[04:30] <ScottK> So when LP says "Uploaded By" that's the one that did it, right?
[04:31] <ScottK> I mean for the backport.
[04:31] <ScottK> Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.3.0-2ubuntu1~feisty1
[04:31] <ScottK> Is that who I think it is that uploaded that?
[04:32] <Hobbsee> ScottK: possibly.  he could have also processed it, so be listed
[04:32] <ScottK> Hmmm
[04:33] <ScottK> Well there's no paper trail in feisty-backports, so I guess I have to ask him...
[04:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you backport 4.3.0-2ubuntu1~feisty1?  It seems to be causing some problems.
[04:34] <MidMark> ScottK: yes downloaded that one this morning
[04:34] <MidMark> exactly that version
[04:34] <MidMark> about 6 hours ago
[04:34] <ScottK> Right.  I'm trying to figure out who backported it and why and stick them with cleaning up the mess.
[04:35] <Riddell> ScottK: yes, me, I'll merge with debian to fix
[04:36] <ScottK> Riddell: Thanks.  Please use Bug #126766 to track it.
[04:36] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126766 in feisty-backports "latest qt 4.3 backports produces visual corruption during scrolling and in the systray" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126766
[04:36] <ScottK> MidMark: No screen shots needed.
[04:36] <Riddell> I asked for the screen shots :)
[04:36] <ScottK> Ah.
[04:36] <ScottK> MidMark: ^^^
[04:37] <MidMark> ScottK: if I provide more than needed is better than less ;)
[04:37] <ScottK> Yes
[04:37] <MidMark> just attached
[04:44] <MidMark> bye to all
[04:44] <ScottK> Riddell and Hobbsee: I note that same version is in Gutsy.  Is that going to be a bad thing for Tribe 3?
[04:44] <ScottK> Bye
[04:45] <Riddell> ScottK: nobody has noticed it thus far until today
[04:45] <Hobbsee> ScottK: i'm not delaying tribe 3 over it, so...
[04:45] <ScottK> OK
[04:45] <ScottK> Just thought I'd mention it.
[04:46] <Hobbsee> if someone could fix that, and upload it...
[04:50] <Riddell> are you talking about me?
[04:50] <ScottK> Yes
[04:51] <Riddell> yes, I'll upload to gutsy
[04:51] <Riddell> it won't get fixed until after freeze
[04:51] <ScottK> Of course.
[05:42] <Riddell> nixternal: able to do us a Tribe 3 page?  I put some points on the page
[05:51] <nixternal> I was just getting ready to start it :)
[05:51] <nixternal> good deal, thanks for giving me something to use/work with
[05:51] <DaSkreech> :-)
[05:52] <Hobbsee> ubuntu page also has a bit
[05:52] <ScottK> let us know where the's a URL to complain <<<<< review and provide helpful comments on.
[05:54] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:55] <shtylman> when is tribe 3 slated for release?
[05:55] <Hobbsee> thursday
[05:56] <shtylman> cool
[05:56] <Hobbsee> shtylman: grab a current kubuntu cd and test it out
[05:56] <shtylman> I already have tribe 2 installed :P
[05:56] <Hobbsee> then dist-upgrade...
[05:57] <shtylman> indeed I will
[05:57] <Hobbsee> if you keep doing your upgrades, you'll already be at tribe 3
[05:57] <shtylman> yea...I was just curious when the next cdimg would be out
[05:57] <Hobbsee> ahh
[05:58] <Riddell> shtylman: use the dist upgrade tool and report if it succeeds or not
[05:59] <shtylman> adept updater?
[05:59] <shtylman> or the separate tool?
[05:59] <Riddell> the separate tool
[05:59] <Riddell> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/gutsy.tar.gz
[06:01] <shtylman> kk...want me to use it for tribe2->3 or for fawn->gutsy
[06:01] <Riddell> either
[06:01] <shtylman> k
[07:37] <jjesse> afternoon :)
[07:39] <DaSkreech> hi
[08:41] <ScottK> Well the libqt4 thing in feisty-backports just got it's first dupe, so more people are noticing.
[08:49] <nixternal> hrmm, in Gnome, you can't set your display properties like you can in KDE
[08:49] <nixternal> so in order for me to use it, I have to manually edit xorg..what a disappointment
[08:51] <ScottK> nixternal: There's lots of stuff you can't edit in Gnome.  They're proud of it.
[08:52] <nixternal> no doubt..that is sad
[08:53] <nixternal> my brother, who is a complete computard called me and said that Ubuntu sucks
[08:53] <nixternal> he was able to easily manipulate KDE (kubuntu) to his liking in an hour...and that actually impressed me
[08:54] <nixternal> so, I need to do a dpkg-reconfigure in gnome just to get my settings
[08:54] <nixternal> the easiest yet is PCLinuxOS with setting up your display, with kubuntu right behind it
[08:54] <ScottK> But you don't understand nixternal.  The poor users will be confused if you give them choices.
[08:54] <jjesse> ii thought that was why you used windows
[08:54] <ScottK> OK, well get to patching then.  Let's be #1.
[08:55] <nixternal> that would be a fairly large patch seeing they use an offshoot of Yast
[08:55] <ScottK> Ah.
[08:55] <ScottK> I don't mind if you spend a lot of time working on it ;_)
[08:56] <nixternal> haha
[09:06] <_StefanS_> evening
[10:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ^ ?
[11:22] <Tonio_> heya :)
[11:22] <Tm_P> yo
[11:22] <DaSkreech> ZzZzzzzz
[11:23] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: yop :)
[11:23] <Tonio_> Tm_P: yo
[11:23] <Tm_P> I think I might try only use pda now except for video and music
[11:24] <Tm_P> humm
[11:25] <TheInfinity> hmm ... btw - is there any strategy to test the alpha versions? i have now the possibility to have alpha versions in VM so i could test, but except a apt-get error everything is ok ;)
[11:26] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll prepare the packages to upload tomorrow, that includes kds, kdelibs and a few others
[11:38] <Tonio_> :'(
[11:38] <Tonio_> bzr is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
[11:38] <Tonio_> 15 minutes to grab the kds bzr branch
[11:55] <DaSkreech> Tonio_: try cathedral
[11:55] <DaSkreech> It's no faster but at least it will keep you in awe
[12:11] <fdoving> Tonio_: git is fast.
[12:12] <fdoving> we should all exercise more http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=515642196227308929&q=parkour