=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Main FROZEN for tribe 3 please test CDs https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Tue Jul 17 22:16:53 2007 === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erenko [n=eren@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:03] evening === manchicken [n=manchkn@ubuntu/member/manchicken] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:27] evening [03:30] Good evening. How's morale? [03:30] great here, how is yours? [03:31] Moderate. [03:38] mine is getting better each minute as soon as these silly microsoft courses complete === Paleo [n=paleo@admin.kollide.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === manchicken [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-141-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@p54A720F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Starting logfile irclogs/kubuntu-devel.log === ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@ubuntu/bot/ubuntulog] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Topic for #kubuntu-devel: Welcome to #kubuntu-devel | Merge! http://merges.ubuntu.com | Bugs! https://launchpad.net/~kubuntu-team/+packagebugs | Main FROZEN for tribe 3 please test CDs https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Kubuntu === Topic (#kubuntu-devel): set by Riddell at Tue Jul 17 22:16:53 2007 === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === viviersf [n=cain@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh [n=claydoh@66-252-58-82.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === yuriy [n=yuriy@207-172-67-143.c3-0.frm-ubr3.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Prezu [i=patryk@dug.net.pl] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:08] I'm going to have to learn to package so that I can package some of these kate plugins. [08:08] hiya manchicken [08:08] howdy :) [08:08] It's way past my bedtime. [08:09] But I'm so excited about the Dell I just picked out, I don't know if I'll be able to sleep or not. [08:09] But crap, it's 0109... [08:09] I'd better. [08:09] heh [08:09] I've got a meeting at 1000 that I have to make. [08:09] Nighty night :) [08:09] night! [08:09] Don't let the pointy stick bite. [08:10] heh === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === scotty [n=scotty@unaffiliated/scotty] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:33] nixternal: when are you planning to test cds? === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Shely [n=huahua@60.20.63.85] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Nightrose [n=lydia@port-87-234-150-228.dynamic.qsc.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rouzic [n=rouzic@212.145.63.25] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vlo [n=valentin@lsa1pc7.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-59-76.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-59-76.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh__ [n=claydoh@66-252-59-76.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai [n=mars@ubuntu/member/marseillai] has joined #kubuntu-devel === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955194.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger_t is now known as hunger === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N751P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387D506.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [10:17] kubuntu i386 desktop seems fine === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === vlo [n=valentin@lsa1pc7.epfl.ch] has joined #kubuntu-devel === morn|eri [i=mornfall@lbrat1-11-192.wmx.sk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:00] <_StefanS_> hello [11:05] _StefanS_: hey ;) [11:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: hey there [11:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm just downloading kdelibs now to test out that stuff [11:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: had a busy day yesterday === manchicken_ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:06] <_StefanS_> hey manchicken_ === ksheffield__ [n=ksheffie@c-76-111-5-66.hsd1.va.comcast.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === scotty [n=scotty@unaffiliated/scotty] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel === doc__ [n=doc@15.Red-80-37-209.staticIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:42] hi there [11:46] kwwii: did you have a hand in any of this? http://www.linuxdevices.com/files/misc/intel_mobiln_i_screen01.gif === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === morn|eri [i=mornfall@lbrat1-11-192.wmx.sk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has joined #kubuntu-devel === marseillai_ [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-162-209.w90-37.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: it seems to compile now without interfering with the current kdelibs/kdeui stuff (i.e. no patch needed for kabapi.cc .. ) [12:30] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so thats good news. === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Arby [n=richard@shiny.york.ac.uk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:33] _StefanS_: super :) [12:33] _StefanS_: sent me the patch if you want tests to be performed [12:34] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep its really cool, so when this works: 1) update kdesudo bzr code 2) compare fade code / method with logout to have it working on YOUR machine ;) [12:34] how can i package changes to code from apt-get source? [12:34] <_StefanS_> xerosis: like official changes? [12:35] <_StefanS_> xerosis: in that case you need to make a debdiff, or regular diff and submit them to Tonio_, Riddell, or Hobbsee [12:35] <_StefanS_> thats what I do ;D [12:35] _StefanS_: unofficial [12:35] <_StefanS_> xerosis: just change the code and issue a sudo debuild -nc [12:35] <_StefanS_> xerosis: it will then create debs in parent dir [12:35] _StefanS_: thanks === mornfall [n=mornfall@kde/developer/mornfall] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [12:36] <_StefanS_> xerosis: cant remember if you need to apply patches first (sudo make -f debian/rules apply-patches) [12:36] <_StefanS_> xerosis: actually I think debuild does that also.. [12:36] _StefanS_: okay, will try [12:37] <_StefanS_> xerosis: there's also a more formal (debian) way to do it .. but cant really remember the details. debuild works for me :D [12:38] _StefanS_: it's only to try a patch works before submitting so that'll do for me :) [12:38] <_StefanS_> mkay :D [12:51] Riddell: yes, I have been working on this [12:52] Riddell: there are other pics I made on that website [12:53] thought I saw your hand in them :) === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === never|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.106.1] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:08] _StefanS_: my problem is probably more generic [01:08] _StefanS_: linked to hardware, but I'm pretty sure there is a way to reproduce [01:08] Riddell: this WE I'll fix a very very old bug [01:08] Riddell: kcontrol/region that doesn't read the ENV [01:08] Riddell: I'll fix this one [01:08] hi Tonio_ [01:08] Hobbsee: hey Hobbsee [01:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm sure we can fix it [01:09] _StefanS_: not that easy in fact, the point is that the default locale is hardcoded [01:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ehh default locale ? :) [01:09] we need to make it read tne value defined in /etc/default/locale [01:09] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: what are you talking about ? [01:10] _StefanS_: go in systemsettings, region [01:10] Tonio_: what will it do with the environment settings? [01:10] you can set the kde system lang here, then click on default [01:10] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: so should kdesudo react to that, is it what you mean? [01:10] Riddell: the point is that kde isn't fully french on a default install for example, unless you set the systemsettings value to be french [01:11] _StefanS_: nothing to do with kdesudo :) [01:11] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: ah ok.. you got me confused [01:11] erm...who broke kmilo? [01:11] Riddell: that causes a few issues you can't see due to english computer :) [01:11] Riddell: for example a few context menus aren't translated etc.... [01:11] or at least, the mute one [01:12] Riddell: we have 2 fixes to do for this : kcontrol should use the default locale when clicking on default [01:12] Riddell: and also the default lang should be set correctly on initial login [01:13] <_StefanS_> uhm did someone else notice administrative mode dont work for the login manager? [01:14] _StefanS_: are you using kdesudo ? [01:14] _StefanS_: currently kdesudo replaces kdesu and doesn't work in kcontrol :) that may explain [01:14] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: donno.. nothing launches [01:14] <_StefanS_> ah ok [01:14] _StefanS_: look if /usr/bin/kdesu points to kdesudo [01:14] mhb: ping ? ;) [01:14] <_StefanS_> ok [01:14] _StefanS_: that's what mhb will do before we can release the tarball [01:15] _StefanS_: that's the purpose of the nonewdcop command line feature [01:18] 10$ to the one who can tell me how to set the default police size for qt4 [01:18] no way to find that one [01:19] police size? === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:22] 10$ ? [01:26] 10$ american or canadian? [01:27] :p [01:27] or australian [01:27] as long as it's not 10 yen or something [01:31] Hobbsee: fonts size by default sorry [01:31] police is the french work for fonts [01:31] Riddell: shouldn't we discuss the media:/ -> /media patch ? [01:32] ahhh [01:32] Tonio_: I asked sime and he shrugged a bit and wandered off [01:32] Riddell: it seems to me that lots of people agree it wouldn't be wrong removing this one === Hobbsee pokes kmilo. why arent you working? [01:32] Riddell: hum, well I can understand him [01:32] Riddell: did you tell him the idea was from me ? :) [01:32] Riddell: if yes he might hate me now [01:34] Riddell: there is a part of the simplication I wanna keep === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:34] Riddell: just use media:/ by default [01:34] Riddell: it is not a matter of removing all the work he has done === freeflying [n=freeflyi@211.94.35.200] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:35] Riddell: another bug I found is just boot with a cd in [01:35] Riddell: sometimes the desktop icon is good, sometimes it just appears as a folder, means you cannot umount it === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:42] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the compile went fine, I will prepare a patch soon === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:46] desktop icon? [01:46] Riddell: desktop entry for the cdrom [01:47] I've not seen that [01:47] however, I'm not against removing the patches [01:47] Riddell: I saw that 2 minutes ago [01:48] Riddell: I propose to discuss this once and for all in the next meeting [01:49] Tonio_: what would have changed compared to the last meeting? [01:49] I don't think so and most of the people agreed on my proposal, so.... [01:50] Tonio_: you really have to get the info out ot everyone first, so they can think on it - and make sure that they do === Hobbsee notes that her brain is trashed. [01:50] Hobbsee: what they do ? [01:50] Tonio_: read on it and think on it === rbrunhuber [n=Miranda@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:52] Tonio_: where can I read that? === freeflying_ [n=freeflyi@123.116.97.35] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:53] Hobbsee: well that's not a super major change, bt of course that means the old issues will be back [01:53] true [01:53] as for example gimp openiing a file on a usb key :) [01:53] Hobbsee: but on that point, there is documentation ovedr the web [01:54] that's a known problem the user can search for a solution [01:54] true [01:54] which is not true with the issues created by the patches === Hobbsee understands the logic behind it [01:54] Hobbsee: btw we can invite the user to use krita :) [01:54] besides, my brain's deaded now, so... [01:54] Hobbsee: you didn't commit kdebase ubuntu10 to bzr [01:54] (I've done it now) [01:54] sounds good. now, if only i could figure out how krita works... [01:55] Riddell: bugger. could have sworn i tried to [01:55] Hobbsee: did you see the screenshot I did with media:/ compared to /media ? [01:55] yes, your changelog suggests you did [01:55] apologies [01:55] that the best evidence of the problem :) [01:55] also we reached 99 in kdebase patch numbers [01:55] Tonio_: dont think so. [01:55] for now I've gone on to 9901 [01:55] yeah, that scares me [01:56] Riddell: there are holes in the list [01:56] how many patches do we really have ? [01:56] 70 maybe ? [01:56] how many of those are pre kde 3.5, and how many should actually be there? [01:56] Tonio_: sure, but we don't want to just start filling in the missing numbers, they have to be applied in order === alleeHol [n=ach@lapex-hydra.mpe.mpg.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [01:57] Riddell: 62 patches here [01:57] Riddell: then we have to rename them from 01 to 62 [01:57] Riddell: I can do that if you are interested [01:57] Tonio_: ug no, that looses history [01:58] "what does patch kubntu_62 do".. goes to search changelog for kubntu_62, hmm, nothing there [01:58] hmm, kubuntu stuff still needs testing [01:58] !i386 desktop [01:58] Sorry, I don't know anything about i386 desktop - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi [01:58] Riddell: bah we have to detail the renaming in the changelog :) [01:58] er, !i386 desktop [01:58] Tonio_: where is your proposal described? [01:58] Riddell: no bt I must say you are right on that point [01:58] mhb: proposal described ? [01:58] mhb: ho I don't have the file anymore [01:59] Hobbsee: i386 desktop looks tested to me https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/test/504 [01:59] mhb: we can discuss that toonight if you want, I'd appreciate your feedback [01:59] Riddell: yes, as != is not equal to [01:59] mhb: a bit long to fully describe here [01:59] Tonio_: I thought you had it written in a mail or such [02:00] Tonio_: or an info webpage could be handy [02:00] mhb: I wrote an html file but that was long time ago [02:00] Hobbsee: ah [02:00] mhb: I'll search in the meeting minutes, that's probably in there [02:00] mhb: btw, I know you will hate me for this (appologies), but any news concerning kdesudo ? no problem if none, that's just for my information [02:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the patch is headed your way. Will update kdesudo soon. [02:01] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: or atleasy try to fix the problem... [02:02] _StefanS_: great, did you send that to me by email ? [02:02] <_StefanS_> yup === Tonio_ wonders if mhb already ignores/hates him or just hasn't read the channel.... === Tonio_ his affraid [02:03] s/his/is [02:03] Tonio_: mhb is lovely and cute. he wouldn't hate anyone [02:05] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: the kdesudo works in my end (with the new api changes) ofcourse it still has the fade problems, but atleast we're not confusing other kde apps [02:06] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: change the order of the parameters on line 45: : KPasswordDialog(WType_Popup, KPasswordDialog::Password, false, (withIgnoreButton ? User1: false), icon, parent, name) [02:06] <_StefanS_> and sorry for pasting it in the channel. [02:06] eh, sorry for being away for a minute === apachelogger [n=me@amarok/rokymotion/apachelogger] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:06] change the order? that's an API break [02:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: hey its a new function its referring to. Dont worry. [02:07] <_StefanS_> Riddell: the old one is still there. [02:07] can't you just subclass KPasswordDialog rather than playing with kdelibs? [02:08] Tonio_: on the contrary, I guess you have to hate me for not being able to fix it [02:08] <_StefanS_> Riddell: nope.. KDialogBase doesn't have support for setting WType_Popup anywhere, which makes the stuff we want to do kdesudo impossible. [02:09] _StefanS_: but something in qt must? [02:09] do you create a new class which implements KPasswordDialog and set WType_Popup in the constructor [02:09] s/do/so/ [02:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: yes, Qdialog does. But then we'll have to duplicate everything that KPasswordDialog can.. [02:09] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I created a new class, yes. [02:12] mhb: I will never hate someone for taking his time to do something as a benevolent :) [02:12] mhb: that's the basic concept of respect imho, so no I won't blame you :) [02:12] <_StefanS_> gotta run. be back in 20mins. [02:12] mhb: I would rather blame me for not beeing able to do it myself [02:13] mhb: the point is that if you can't find the time to do it, we can ask for help too (riddell, manchicken, _StefanS_ etc...), no ? :) === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:13] morning [02:14] Tonio_: I am sure, whoever has mastered dcop arts and C++ can take over it === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:15] arts ? [02:15] mhb: what's arts doing in the list ? [02:15] the arts of dcop [02:15] _StefanS_: why would you have to duplicate everything, you just implement KPasswordDialog [02:15] good morning mhb [02:16] good morning RadiantFire [02:16] _StefanS_: no need of a kdelibs patch in that case right ? [02:16] RadiantFire: we're just talking about the "dcop" thing we tried to solve the other day [02:16] RadiantFire: with kdesudo [02:16] yeah, I saw some of it in the scrollback [02:16] hi RadiantFire :) [02:16] hi [02:17] i guess it was never solved then [02:20] RadiantFire: perhaps you could help me with it a bit [02:20] sure [02:20] i've got some time before work [02:29] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe it can be done after all, I might totally wrong.. It seems like atleast KDialog supports wflags. I will look into it === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:43] ? === mars [n=mars@AMarseille-156-1-139-3.w86-194.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:49] _StefanS_: looked at your patch , are you sure this one won't corrupt amarok ? [02:49] _StefanS_: I'll make tests before commiting, if you don't mind ;) [02:49] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: yep I'm pretty sure, but do test it. I heard no complaining from kabapi.cc this time [02:50] _StefanS_: oki :) [02:50] _StefanS_: well I'll test with amarok [02:53] <_StefanS_> Riddell: did you find someone to help with that cache thingy for moodin ? [02:54] _StefanS_: not yet === MidMark [n=marco@host-84-220-175-11.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:55] hi, I'm having big visual bugs with today's qt 4.3 in feisty-backports with skype 1.4 [02:55] someone else? [02:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: maybe I can help after we get that kdesudo fixed.. btw; I just talked to a c++ friend of mine, and it seems like that its not very easy to subclass [02:55] <_StefanS_> Riddell: (on kdesudo) [02:56] MidMark: I seem to remember skype had issues with qt 4.3, what about other qt 4 apps? [02:56] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I will have to throw in the towel on that one.. thats for sure. [02:56] Riddell: well with previous 4.2.3 there was no problems, I'm also a linux betatester and here there is no idea why it's like this in ubuntu [02:56] main devels has qt 4.3 too but none of this problems === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:57] *skype for linux betatester [02:57] Riddell: katapult still autostarts [02:57] Riddell: as I told you, it has to be started in a session, like kmix, not to autostart, basically because only the session manager remember the app state (aka reduced in the tray) and will not display it [02:57] Tonio_: Same here. [02:58] Riddell: that's why I added the katapult session [02:58] Riddell: we have to add it back and patch katapult to remove the autostart [02:58] Riddell: want me to do it ? [02:59] Tonio_: yes, please do [02:59] hunger: I said it yesterday before kds upload but nobody wants to listen to me :'( === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955194.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [02:59] Riddell: oki, will do that toonight, I'm at work right now [03:00] is there anywhere in kde to set the screen brightness? [03:00] kwwii: the physical one ? [03:00] or the logical one ? [03:00] there is a gamme control somewhere in display [03:01] I mean the one set via the acpi or the one set with your driver ? [03:01] Tonio_: I just want my screen to not be so bright...touching the button the computer makes everything go black and then I have to reboot [03:01] Riddell: do you want screenshots about the problem? [03:01] kwwii: you can set the second, not the first [03:01] kwwii: ah oki, for that you might be able to use systemsettings [03:01] go in display [03:02] nothing to do with brightness there [03:02] kwwii: true that's only gamma, sorry for the bad info.... [03:02] MidMark: sure [03:02] MidMark and anyone else: please test cds if you're bored. (i386 alternate, amd64 alternate and desktop) [03:02] kwwii: what is your chipset ? [03:02] intel [03:02] MidMark: I'm out for 30 minutes now, if you have binaries someone can try testing on gutsy too [03:03] kwwii: I think with ATI the amdccle tool makes it possible to do it [03:03] well, with gnome I can do it without a problem :-( [03:04] kwwii: ah :/ [03:04] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I'm off now.. be back in the evening to hear about the reports on kdelibs<->amarok.. I will look at fixing that fade also.. gotta sleep some. === Czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-141-171.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:05] oh well, me starts gnome === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:06] someone that want to try skype 1.4 beta on gutsy? [03:06] http://www.skype.com/go/getskype-linux-ubuntu [03:07] and tell me if systray icon is ok === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955194.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === apachelogger [n=me@N782P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [03:54] Hobbsee: I can test cd tomorrow night or on we on my virtualbox if can be helpful [03:54] how many hours is tomorrow night? [03:54] er, hours away [03:54] lol :) === Hobbsee doesnt remember your tz [03:55] you are right, I'm in GMT+1 [03:55] i'd hope to see it released by then [03:55] ops sorry [04:10] ok I discovered the problem [04:10] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=430907 [04:10] Debian bug 430907 in libqt4-gui "libqt4-gui: Artifacts in system tray icons" [Normal,Fixed] [04:10] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=431436 [04:10] Debian bug 431436 in libqt4-gui "4.3.0-2: Problems with tray icon" [Normal,Fixed] [04:11] both are fixed in qt-4.3.0-3 from debian [04:11] so 4.3.0-2ubuntu1 are broken atm in feisty [04:11] Riddell: bug report? ^ [04:11] is this the stuff in -backports, or actually in the release? [04:12] -backports [04:12] but all people that has enabled that one has broken qt [04:13] yummy [04:13] should I bugreport? [04:13] yeah, under feisty-backports project, i expect [04:14] MidMark: Please do and then ping me when you've done it. [04:15] ScottK: perfect === ScottK notes he has backports enabled, but hadn't upgraded yet.... [04:15] Hobbsee: I BR against qt and then feisty-backports or what? [04:16] MidMark: i think feisty-backports is actually a project [04:16] Just backports === Hobbsee doesnt touch backports [04:16] It's a project === Hobbsee rarely runs the backported release, so has no need to. [04:16] If you report it against QT, Hobbsee will just mark it invalid. === Hobbsee gets out the invalid stick [04:16] ok found it :) [04:16] no need to invalid me :) === Hobbsee invalidates ScottK instead. === ScottK gets fed up and starts uploading all the draft packages on REVU safe in the knowledge that there is no process to fire a MOTU. [04:19] ;-) [04:19] I knew invalid terrorizing will arrive sooner or later :o) [04:19] ScottK: yet. [04:19] Heh. [04:19] ScottK: beleive me. yet. [04:19] Hobbsee: I'm with you on that. [04:19] ScottK: i tried, and didnt get much traction on making a procses for it at UDS. [04:20] You need to goad someone expendable (not me please) into doing something so spectactularly stupid that it's obvious they must be fired. [04:21] Hobbsee: Do you have a way to see how the qt update got published in feisty-backports? I don't find a backports bug for it and that's the usual process. [04:21] ScottK: you can see who's uploaded it [04:21] ScottK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/feisty-backports/+bug/126766 === ScottK slaps forehead. [04:21] Launchpad bug 126766 in feisty-backports "latest qt 4.3 backports produces visual corruption during scrolling and in the systray" [Undecided,New] [04:21] ScottK: i believe that approving a whole lot of syncs, because the diff was empty, counts. [04:21] Ah. [04:22] screenshots needed? [04:22] Not just yet. [04:22] there is no *way* a diff can be empty, and be a ubuntu revision. [04:22] I'm still doing archive forensics. [04:22] Hobbsee: Of your two favorites, was it the first or second alphabetically that did that? [04:23] ScottK: it was both of them, i think. [04:23] Ah. [04:23] definetly the former [04:23] The later appears to have some use, but isn't careful enough. [04:23] He's helped me solve a few bugs. [04:23] true [04:24] i mean, if the diff is empty, yet you need to request a sync, then....dont the warning bells even start ringing a little bit? [04:26] ScottK: I haven't understood, screenshot needed or not? [04:26] Not yet. Probably not. [04:27] ok if yes write in the br [04:27] I'm still trying to understand how that got into backports. [04:27] OK. WIll do. [04:27] ScottK: because backports has been accepting crack recently [04:27] ScottK: and hasn't been checking so carefully, so is not picking up errors, etc [04:28] Well hasn't been checking carefully isn't the ones I've acked. [04:28] ScottK: yeah, i didnt think they were you [04:28] ScottK: i was thinking of the backports people who arent motu's. === shtylman [n=shtylman@h206.0.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:29] oh, and a flashplayer update from a while ago. [04:29] Yeah. [04:29] Apparently motu-hood is now a requirement for new people. [04:29] yay! [04:30] So when LP says "Uploaded By" that's the one that did it, right? [04:31] I mean for the backport. [04:31] Hobbsee: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/4.3.0-2ubuntu1~feisty1 [04:31] Is that who I think it is that uploaded that? [04:32] ScottK: possibly. he could have also processed it, so be listed [04:32] Hmmm [04:33] Well there's no paper trail in feisty-backports, so I guess I have to ask him... [04:33] Riddell: Did you backport 4.3.0-2ubuntu1~feisty1? It seems to be causing some problems. [04:34] ScottK: yes downloaded that one this morning [04:34] exactly that version [04:34] about 6 hours ago [04:34] Right. I'm trying to figure out who backported it and why and stick them with cleaning up the mess. [04:35] ScottK: yes, me, I'll merge with debian to fix [04:36] Riddell: Thanks. Please use Bug #126766 to track it. [04:36] Launchpad bug 126766 in feisty-backports "latest qt 4.3 backports produces visual corruption during scrolling and in the systray" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126766 [04:36] MidMark: No screen shots needed. [04:36] I asked for the screen shots :) [04:36] Ah. [04:36] MidMark: ^^^ [04:37] ScottK: if I provide more than needed is better than less ;) [04:37] Yes [04:37] just attached === DaSkreech [n=skreech@katapult/ninja/daskreech] has joined #kubuntu-devel [04:44] bye to all [04:44] Riddell and Hobbsee: I note that same version is in Gutsy. Is that going to be a bad thing for Tribe 3? [04:44] Bye [04:45] ScottK: nobody has noticed it thus far until today [04:45] ScottK: i'm not delaying tribe 3 over it, so... [04:45] OK [04:45] Just thought I'd mention it. [04:46] if someone could fix that, and upload it... === ScottK recalls the guy who backported it saying he'd merge the fix. I'm sure he meant in Gutsy first... [04:50] are you talking about me? [04:50] Yes [04:51] yes, I'll upload to gutsy [04:51] it won't get fixed until after freeze [04:51] Of course. === apachelogger [n=me@N782P013.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel === nixternal [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.nixternal] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tm_P [i=tm_travo@kde/developer/jkekkonen] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.52] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === kwwii [n=kwwii@p54955194.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F19ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [05:42] nixternal: able to do us a Tribe 3 page? I put some points on the page [05:51] I was just getting ready to start it :) [05:51] good deal, thanks for giving me something to use/work with [05:51] :-) [05:52] ubuntu page also has a bit [05:52] let us know where the's a URL to complain <<<<< review and provide helpful comments on. [05:54] haha [05:55] when is tribe 3 slated for release? [05:55] thursday [05:56] cool [05:56] shtylman: grab a current kubuntu cd and test it out [05:56] I already have tribe 2 installed :P [05:56] then dist-upgrade... [05:57] indeed I will [05:57] if you keep doing your upgrades, you'll already be at tribe 3 [05:57] yea...I was just curious when the next cdimg would be out [05:57] ahh [05:58] shtylman: use the dist upgrade tool and report if it succeeds or not [05:59] adept updater? [05:59] or the separate tool? [05:59] the separate tool [05:59] http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/gutsy.tar.gz [06:01] kk...want me to use it for tribe2->3 or for fawn->gutsy [06:01] either [06:01] k === cyber_cop [n=burak@85.107.219.242] has joined #kubuntu-devel === cyber_cop [n=burak@85.107.219.242] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Uzaklatrldnz"] === xRaich[o] 2x [n=raichoo@i5387E4B7.versanet.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === tmske [n=thomas@dD5763506.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel [07:37] afternoon :) === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] [07:39] hi === Arby [n=richard@82.152.176.92] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shtylman [n=shtylman@h206.0.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === mbiebl [n=michael@e180073119.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has joined #kubuntu-devel === TheInfinity [n=TheInfin@p508F19ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === hunger [n=tobias@p54A720F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:41] Well the libqt4 thing in feisty-backports just got it's first dupe, so more people are noticing. === _czessi [n=Czessi@dslb-088-073-017-101.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === ricercia [n=jonathan@79-64-15-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [08:49] hrmm, in Gnome, you can't set your display properties like you can in KDE [08:49] so in order for me to use it, I have to manually edit xorg..what a disappointment [08:51] nixternal: There's lots of stuff you can't edit in Gnome. They're proud of it. [08:52] no doubt..that is sad [08:53] my brother, who is a complete computard called me and said that Ubuntu sucks [08:53] he was able to easily manipulate KDE (kubuntu) to his liking in an hour...and that actually impressed me [08:54] so, I need to do a dpkg-reconfigure in gnome just to get my settings [08:54] the easiest yet is PCLinuxOS with setting up your display, with kubuntu right behind it [08:54] But you don't understand nixternal. The poor users will be confused if you give them choices. [08:54] ii thought that was why you used windows [08:54] OK, well get to patching then. Let's be #1. [08:55] that would be a fairly large patch seeing they use an offshoot of Yast [08:55] Ah. [08:55] I don't mind if you spend a lot of time working on it ;_) [08:56] haha === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel [09:06] <_StefanS_> evening === jonnylinuxnerd [n=jonathan@79-64-15-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jonnylinuxnerd [n=jonathan@79-64-15-84.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com] has left #kubuntu-devel ["Konversation] === manchicken__ [n=manchkn@74-134-231-37.dhcp.insightbb.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shtylman [n=shtylman@h206.0.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=Dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Stecchino [n=bart@d54C56F83.access.telenet.be] has joined #kubuntu-devel === jjesse [n=jjesse@64.186.55.234] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === shtylman [n=shtylman@h206.0.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === _StefanS_ [n=sfs@cpe.atm2-0-90156.0x5734b54a.naenxx14.customer.tele.dk] has joined #kubuntu-devel === _StefanS_ is wondering how to download the kubuntu pre-tribe 3 cd's from that url in the topic.. [10:45] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ^ ? === apachelogger is now known as aplg^airing === Nightrose [n=lydia@amarok/rokymotion/nightrose] has joined #kubuntu-devel === rbrunhuber [n=rbrunhub@highway.mvi.de] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === shtylman [n=shtylman@h206.0.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@mst45-2-82-242-83-37.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:22] heya :) [11:22] yo === DaSkreech wakes up === DaSkreech shakes fist an Tonio_ [11:22] ZzZzzzzz [11:23] DaSkreech: yop :) [11:23] Tm_P: yo [11:23] I think I might try only use pda now except for video and music [11:24] humm [11:25] hmm ... btw - is there any strategy to test the alpha versions? i have now the possibility to have alpha versions in VM so i could test, but except a apt-get error everything is ok ;) === apachelogger [n=me@N722P002.adsl.highway.telekom.at] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:26] Riddell: I'll prepare the packages to upload tomorrow, that includes kds, kdelibs and a few others === shtylman [n=shtylman@h206.0.29.71.ip.alltel.net] has left #kubuntu-devel [] === _superstoned [n=supersto@86.92.111.236] has joined #kubuntu-devel [11:38] :'( [11:38] bzr is SLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW [11:38] 15 minutes to grab the kds bzr branch [11:55] Tonio_: try cathedral [11:55] It's no faster but at least it will keep you in awe === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === claydoh_ [n=claydoh@66-252-58-165.dyn-adsl.midmaine.net] has joined #kubuntu-devel === erenko [n=pardus@unaffiliated/erenko] has joined #kubuntu-devel === xerosis_ [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #kubuntu-devel [12:11] Tonio_: git is fast. [12:12] we should all exercise more http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=515642196227308929&q=parkour