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[03:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126684 in launchpad "Style sheet is overly complex" [Medium,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126684
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[04:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126686 in launchpad "bug search engine frequently down" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126686
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=== Topic for #launchpad: Launchpad - https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 19 July 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Launchpad help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39
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[06:01] <mpt> Goooooooooooooood afternoon Launchpadders!
[06:09] <ajmitch> hello mpt 
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[06:35] <ubotu> New bug: #126708 in malone "Search is completely broken when searching for "linu"" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126708
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[07:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126716 in soyuz ""Personal Package Archives" page is empty" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126716
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[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126721 in blueprint "Can't search blueprints by milestone" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126721
[09:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126722 in blueprint "Blueprint listings have broken "Latest proposed features" box" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126722
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[11:55] <aLTer> Hi there! I'm owner of some lounchpad project. Is there some of from admins to drop the project?
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[12:52] <thumper> aLTer: ask kiko when he wakes, or SteveA
[12:52] <aLTer> thumper, thanks
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[03:26] <Mari> je ne comprend pas comment mettre en francais launchpad.net en franais.s.v.p
[03:28] <Mari> en faite je ne comprend pas l'Anglais tts cours
[03:40] <ubotu> New bug: #126758 in malone "Allow mass changes of bug visibility" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126758
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[04:00] <statik> hello world
[04:01] <salgado> I guess it's time for our weekly non-au reviewers meeting
[04:01] <salgado> who's here today?
[04:01] <barry> me
[04:01] <bac> me
[04:01] <statik> me
[04:02] <BjornT> me (partly, at least)
[04:02] <salgado> flacoste?
[04:02] <flacoste> me
[04:02] <salgado> I guess that's everybody
[04:03] <salgado> next meeting. same time, next week
[04:03] <salgado> any objections?
[04:03] <salgado> so be it, then
[04:03] <flacoste> no objections, but I'll be on parental leave as of next week
[04:04] <flacoste> (just a reminder)
[04:04] <bac> no objection but i'll be traveling
[04:04] <statik> flacoste: enjoy it!
[04:04] <flacoste> thanks statik!
[04:04] <salgado> the queue, as expected, is short now, with only 6 branches and only one being there for more than 48h
[04:05] <salgado> looks like you guys did an awesome work reviewing the 35 branches we had last week
[04:05] <salgado> thanks everybody!
[04:06] <statik> is this the time to discuss bringing on additional reviewers?
[04:06] <salgado> anything else you'd like to discuss today?
[04:06] <salgado> statik, I guess so
[04:06] <salgado> where's kiko, btw? :)
[04:06] <statik> I'd like to nominate intellectronica, mwhudson, and sinzui to join the reveiw team
[04:07] <barry> do we want to discuss some of the ideas in joey's *long* thread?
[04:07] <statik> yes!
[04:07] <barry> statik: +1.  i'd add jtv
[04:08] <barry> or maybe we should make everyone a reviewer <wink>
[04:08] <statik> barry: I'm in favor of that, but perhaps not all at the same time
[04:08] <barry> statik: yeah :)
[04:08] <flacoste> i'd be weary of adding more reviewers while we still have mentoree
[04:08] <flacoste> or all of our reviewers have graduated?
[04:08] <barry> flacoste: speaking of which, i think some graduations are in order
[04:08] <salgado> not all of them, no
[04:09] <statik> I don't even show up to school, let alone graduate :)
[04:09] <flacoste> lol
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[04:09] <barry> who's still being mentored?  bac, statik, who else?
[04:10] <bac> that's it, i think
[04:10] <salgado> that's what PendingReviews tells me
[04:10] <barry> SSHHH! don't tell them, but i think both can be graduated with honors
[04:11] <statik> so, I feel that I have a very good understanding of our review process and what to look for, but don't have nearly as broad an understanding of our code base as some of the more experienced reviewers. I think I'm ready to graduate, but I would still expect to contact more experience reviewers for some cases
[04:11] <ubotu> New bug: #126761 in launchpad-bazaar "Branch description does not preserve formatting" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126761
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[04:11] <flacoste> statik: that's the spirit really
[04:11] <bac> statik: +1 on those comments
[04:11] <barry> statik: yes definitely.  i said the same thing to flacoste
[04:11] <salgado> I was mostly happy with statik's reviews, but I mentored very few of them, IIRC
[04:11] <barry> (about me)
[04:12] <barry> i mentored a bunch of bac's reviews.  quite good i thought.
[04:12] <bac> thanks barry
[04:12] <salgado> statik, I can reassign the julian's no-ascii-smash if you'd like. it has 500 lines and could be a good graduation test. :)
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[04:13] <bac> and thanks to flacoste for lots of help during the process
[04:13] <barry> statik: part of the motivation for the two +1's per branch is i think to give that kind of oversight for new graduates
[04:13] <statik> salgado: sure
[04:13] <barry> bac: seconded.  flacoste, you're awesome, dude
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[04:13] <statik> barry: yes, I think having two +1s works well when everyone is a reviewer
[04:14] <flacoste> barry, i fear that the two +1 would increase the review lag
[04:14] <statik> but we should remember that mistakes will always slip through the review process, and should not paralyze ourselves aiming for perfect reviews. The code is SO much better from simply being reviewed than it would be otherwise
[04:14] <flacoste> i think its necessary for training new reviewers
[04:15] <salgado> okay, so I suggest we work on getting everybody graduated and then we start thinking about new reviewers
[04:15] <barry> statik: couldn't agree more
[04:15] <salgado> as with any other process, the review is not supposed to be flawless
[04:16] <salgado> (that's to to reinforce statik's comment)
[04:17] <salgado> anything else?
[04:18] <statik> not from me :)
[04:18] <bac> so are we moving forward with the new reviewer nominations?
[04:18] <barry> over.
[04:18] <salgado> I'd prefer to wait until next week
[04:19] <bac> ok
[04:19] <salgado> I guess that's it, then
[04:20] <salgado> thanks everybody for coming
[04:20] <flacoste> thanks salgado
[04:20] <barry> thanks salgado!
[04:20] <statik> thanks salgado!
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[04:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126768 in blueprint "OOPS when subscribing the "admins" team to a blueprint." [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126768
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[05:51] <ubotu> New bug: #79288 in launchpad "Portlet list items have too much margin in 1.0 design" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/79288
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[05:56] <ubotu> New bug: #71989 in launchpad "Product details portlet needs better title." [Undecided,Fix released]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/71989
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[06:41] <mantiena-baltix> cprov-lunch: hi, could you help my with PPA ?
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[06:44] <mantiena-baltix> Anybody knows if PPA works for every launchpad user ?
[06:44] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: it does
[06:45] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: if you have the info on how to use it
[06:46] <ubotu> New bug: #126791 in launchpad-bazaar "code import cleanups" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126791
[06:46] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: cprov told me how to use about a month ago, maybe now instructions are different ?
[06:47] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: I run dput my-ppa gparted_0.3.3-2feisty3_source.changes and dput stops on
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix> Uploading to my-ppa (via ftp to upload.dogfood.launchpad.net):
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3-2feisty3.dsc: done.
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz: 
[06:48] <mantiena-baltix> gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz is only about 700Kb size
[06:49] <mantiena-baltix> but now I'm waiting for about 30 min
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[06:53] <mantiena-baltix> Please. somebody, explain me why I get Error '(110, 'Connection timed out')' during ftp transfer of gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz ?
[06:54] <Hobbsee> assuming your links are still correct, because it timed out?
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[07:00] <HorD> hi
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[07:04] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: I've modified my ~/.dput.cf according one month old cprov instructions
[07:05] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: want to pastebin the relevant part of the dput.cf?
[07:05] <mantiena-baltix> fqdn = upload.dogfood.launchpad.net
[07:05] <mantiena-baltix> incoming = ~mantas/ubuntu/
[07:05] <mantiena-baltix> login = anonymous
[07:05] <ubotu> New bug: #126794 in launchpad-bazaar "code-import-sync should set date_created usefully" [Medium,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126794
[07:05] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: it's now ppa.dogfood
[07:06] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: thanks
[07:06] <Hobbsee> it changed
[07:07] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: Hobbsee: upload.dogfood.launchpad.net should be working too
[07:07] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: yes, it seems ppa.dogfood doesn't work too
[07:08] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: something was broken ...
[07:08] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: maybe problem is, that I use dput -u (I'm lazy to sign) ?
[07:08] <Hobbsee> mantiena-baltix: that'll be why.  you have to sign all uploads....
[07:09] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: unsigned uploads are rejected ?
[07:10] <Hobbsee> yes...
[07:10] <Hobbsee> silently
[07:10] <mantiena-baltix> Hobbsee: but it seems that unsigned .dsc files are accepted ;)
[07:10] <Hobbsee> that's weird.  ask cprov 
[07:11] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: I'm asking ;)
[07:12] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: no, they shouldn't
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[07:13] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: sorry, I don't understand what you mean :( Please explain more 
[07:14] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: unsigned dsc are not accepted.
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[07:15] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: but I get such info in terminal when run dput -u :
[07:15] <mantiena-baltix> Uploading to my-ppa (via ftp to ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net):
[07:15] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3-2feisty3.dsc: done.
[07:15] <mantiena-baltix>   gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz:
[07:16] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: expect the rejection email in 4 minutes
[07:17] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: :) thanks for info. btw, should .dsc files signed by my key, which I provided in launchpad.net/~mantas account or I can sign by any key ?
[07:19] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: the key belonging to the account you are using (~mantas gpg key )
[07:20] <mantiena-baltix> cprov: so, if I sign with new, just generated key, my uploads will be rejected ?
[07:21] <cprov> mantiena-baltix: yes, 'no right to upload' or so
[07:22] <mantiena-baltix> ok, thanks for info
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[08:49] <sacater> I lost 120 karma in 24 hours
[08:49] <sacater> is that right...
[08:50] <ubotu> New bug: #126819 in malone "Only stops hiding quotations on blank line" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126819
[08:52] <Lumiere> sacater: you lose karma over time
[08:52] <Lumiere> so if you did 120 karma on some day 6-12 months ago
[08:52] <Lumiere> at some point it goes away
[08:53] <Lumiere> it means that your karma is related to doing continued work instead of spikes of work.
[08:53] <Lumiere> or at least, that's my understanding of it
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[09:27] <sacater> Lumiere: thanks mate
[09:29] <flacoste> sacater: https://help.launchpad.net/KarmaCalculation for the whole story
[09:30] <sacater> flacoste: thanks
[09:30] <bmm> Hi. I've just started a new project and want to create a new release. Should I create a new branch for something like this? Or should I just tar-gz my code an host it somewhere?
[09:30] <Kmos> !karma
[09:30] <ubotu> Sorry, I don't know anything about karma - try searching on http://bots.ubuntulinux.nl/factoids.cgi
[09:31] <flacoste> bmm: you can do both, it depends on what you want to do exactly
[09:32] <flacoste> bmm: actually, i meant to say that you can now host your tar.gz release on Launchpad itself
[09:32] <flacoste> bmm: if you want other users to be able to hack on your project, uploading your bzr branch is also probably a good idea
[09:33] <bmm> I actually just want to state that "these files form a release" and then start packaging :-D I'm actually trying to start, create and package one program within a week :-)
[09:33] <bmm> So, I've created a very small, but still a bit functional application as my first launchpad project
[09:34] <flacoste> bmm: then I guess a file download is more in line with what you want
[09:34] <bmm> And now I would love to know what the "most common/best way of doing this" is. My project is https://launchpad.net/inotifyme at the moment :-D
[09:35] <flacoste> bmm: https://help.launchpad.net/FileDownloadsOverview
[09:35] <bmm> flacoste: ok, any links..
[09:35] <bmm> \thank!
[09:35] <bmm> thanks!
[09:37] <bmm> flacoste: I should add a "serie" and a branch for that serie before publishing a file?
[09:43] <flacoste> bmm: not necessarily, you just need to create a release
[09:44] <bmm> Ah, I see now. I've already added the 0.0 series, but I'll remove that. Overly complex for such a simple program
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[09:50] <bmm> Can I remove a series again?
[09:51] <flacoste> bmm: no you can't remove  a series.... we have a bug open for that i think
[09:52] <flacoste> bug 2141
[09:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 2141 in launchpad "You can't remove series in products" [Low,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/2141
[09:52] <bmm> Hmm... then I should just add the download to my 0.0 series :-D
[09:53] <bmm> same problem for a release, right?
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[09:54] <superm1> Hi guys, i finally got around to trying to use ppa shortly ago.  You apparently need the same rights as you would have on the archive to upload to a component of your ppa?  Is this by design?
[09:55] <superm1> ^, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30378/
[09:56] <flacoste> bmm: yes, there is not much you can currently delete on Launchpad
[09:57] <bmm> flacoste: hehe, good to know, I'll watch out with submitting forms in the future ;-)
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[09:57] <cprov> superm1: no, you don't (if I understand you correctly) PPAs rights are given by the PPA owner
[09:57] <flacoste> bmm: if you want to try out things with confidence you can use the staging server: staging.launchpad.net, the data you enter there is thrown away regularly (everyday except when we are preparing a release)
[09:57] <superm1> so why would that post have been rejected then?  I'm owner of the ~ubuntu-mythtv team
[09:58] <superm1> and wanted to post it up to that ppa space
[09:58] <superm1> could I only push to my ppa space from *my* launchpad acct?
[09:58] <bmm> flacoste: thanks
[09:59] <cprov> superm1: you should be allowed to be upload
[10:01] <superm1> do i have to do something to initialize that PPA space then?
[10:01] <superm1> or is it created on the fly
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[10:05] <cprov> superm1: it's already created https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~mythbuntu/+archive
[10:05] <cprov> superm1: and contains one source
[10:06] <superm1> cprov, but not for ~ubuntu-mythtv
[10:06] <superm1> they are two sep. teams
[10:07] <cprov> superm1: right, I got confused
[10:08] <cprov> superm1: go to https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv and click on 'Activate PPA' (on the left, Action Portlet)
[10:09] <superm1> ah okay.  How come i didn't have to go through this before for ~mythbuntu then?
[10:10] <cprov> superm1: it's new, landed after you created mythbuntu PPA 'on-the-fly'
[10:10] <superm1> ah
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[10:35] <Kmos> cprov: https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mythtv -> error
[10:35] <Kmos> OOPS-564DF9
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[10:37] <cprov> Kmos: one sec, I'm upgrading the instance.
[10:39] <cprov> Kmos: fixed
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[10:40] <superm1> cprov, was that something specific to the ppa on ~ubuntu-mythtv, or something general across the ppa code?
[10:41] <Kmos> cprov: thanks
[10:42] <cprov> superm1: it was the entire instance being in a inconsistent state, don't worry 'maintenance' ;)
[10:42] <superm1> ohok
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[10:46] <Kmos> cprov: sourceforge bug tracker on launchpad is not working..
[10:47] <Kmos> when we add an upstream bug 
[10:47] <Kmos> for example
[10:47] <Kmos> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ddclient/+bug/77570
[10:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 77570 in ddclient "ddclient doesn't support vlan interfaces" [Undecided,Fix committed]   - Assigned to Marco Rodrigues (gothicx)
[10:47] <Kmos> it doesn't have updated the upstream bug status for weeks
[10:47] <Kmos> and it should take one day
[10:47] <cprov> Kmos: wow, suddenly I started to be in charge of the whole system ;)
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[10:47] <Kmos> cprov: estas de servio, pimba :)
[10:48] <Kmos> lol
[10:48] <cprov> Kmos: can you check this with BjornT ? he will be able to help you 
[10:48] <cprov> Kmos: ;)
[10:48] <Kmos> cprov: yep.. maybe report a bug about that
[10:48] <Kmos> and assign it to bjornt
[10:48] <Kmos> BjornT: ping
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[10:50] <superm1> regarding projects doing a vcs import from svn to store in bzr on launchpad - there is a limitation of only pulling trunk.  Is there a way to override that and allow a second branch?  
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[10:54] <bmm> The current uscan doesn't support https, is there another protocol to have uscan watch for new version when I've uploaded a file to launchpad.net?
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[10:59] <Kmos> bmm: uscan ? what package is it ?
[10:59] <Kmos> !info uscan
[11:00] <ubotu> Package uscan does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[11:02] <bmm> Kmos: the package is being build/created by me now :-D
[11:03] <Kmos> bmm: ah :)
[11:03] <bmm> I've got the file on launchpad: https://launchpad.net/inotifyme/+download
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[11:04] <bmm> Kmos: can the link above/list above be accessed in another way then with https? (or should I just wait for uscan to support it?)
[11:04] <Kmos> LP can only be access by https
[11:04] <Kmos> maybe you should wait :)
[11:06] <bmm> Kmos: ok, I'll file a bug somewhere ;-) Thanks!
[11:07] <ScottK> bmm: I'd file it against LP (or look for one).  They've already got a plan to only use https where it's needed.
[11:08] <bmm> ScottK: I like the whole https, so personally I'd file it agains uscan. People should get used to encryption ;-)
[11:09] <elmo> uscan should support https regardless
[11:10] <ubotu> New bug: #126856 in soyuz "Personal package archives list (+ppas) is associated with no tab" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126856
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[11:36] <ubotu> New bug: #126862 in launchpad "Launchpad URLs disclose more information than needed on private bugs" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126862
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[11:45] <ubotu> New bug: #126866 in soyuz "PPA claims to both contain and not contain any packages" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126866
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[11:50] <haus> hello. is this the ubuntu channel?
[11:53] <Nafallo> no.
[11:53] <Nafallo> #ubuntu is the #ubuntu channel
[11:55] <ubotu> New bug: #126868 in soyuz "Only "Overview" tab is available on person's PPA page" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126868
[11:55] <haus> i found this channel when i req a free ubuntu cd
[11:56] <haus> just wanted to thank you guys since its free :)
[11:58] <Nafallo> the man who makes it free is not online atm, sorry.
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[11:58] <codyl> hey all, for some reason I cant add Mandarin as a language for translation 
[11:59] <codyl> all i see is "Chinese (Hong Kong)" 
[11:59] <codyl> which I presume is traditional character set
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[12:00] <ubotu> New bug: #126870 in soyuz "Personal package archives list should let you search by package" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126870
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