[01:17] <Drakeson> If I have both feisty and gutsy in apt/sources.list, does apt-cache seek only gutsy packages?
[01:19] <PriceChild> Drakeson, it will use the highest version numbers
[01:19] <PriceChild> you're running a gutsy system
[01:19] <PriceChild> and you shouldn't be.
[01:20] <aquarius> hrm. what actually *starts* metacity? I thought it was something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d
[01:20] <Drakeson> so, if there is no wine in gutsy it will look for one in feisty?
[01:21] <Drakeson> the situation is that apt-cache search wine gives me nothing
[01:21] <PriceChild> !info wine gutsy
[01:21] <ubotu> wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.41-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 31833 kB, installed size 99684 kB
[01:22] <Dave2> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root  17 2007-06-30 14:10 x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/metacity
[01:22] <Dave2> It appears to be in the init scripts as /usr/bin/x-window-manager which is /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager which is /usr/bin/metacity
[01:23] <aquarius> which I also have. But it's not being started.
[01:23] <aquarius> hrm.
[01:23] <Drakeson> isn't this enough?  --> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main resticted universe multiverse
[01:24] <Drakeson> !repos
[01:24] <ubotu> The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource
[01:35] <xtknight> anyone else have a broken gutsy?
[01:35] <xtknight> dbus session error
[01:35] <aquarius> me (from gobuntu nightly) -- D-Bus seems to not be starting correctly, no nautilus.
[01:36] <xtknight> i cant get in to my desktop
[01:36] <xtknight> gdm hangs after login
[01:36] <xtknight> it's not like i'm in dire straits or anything, it's just a VM but i'd just like to know..
[01:41] <sayers> Hello, how do I mess with compiz fusions settings?
[01:42] <Tm_T> !compiz
[01:42] <ubotu> Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects
[01:42] <Tm_T> sayers: #ubuntu-effects might help
[03:57] <matthew1429> where would i look to browse the current planned features for gutsy?
[03:57] <matthew1429> hello?
[03:58] <sn0> hi matthew1429
[03:58] <sn0> !gutsy
[03:58] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[03:58] <matthew1429> ty :)
[03:58] <sn0> yw :)
[05:30] <DanaG> What is gobuntu?
[05:30] <DanaG> "Go" makes me think "Mobile", not "Free."
[05:31] <lamalex> danag: agreed
[05:32] <lamalex> that's what they should have called UME
[05:32] <lamalex> gnubuntu was much better
[05:34] <chowmeined> they could call it gNewSense
[05:34] <chowmeined> freedombuntu
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[05:49] <lufis> how is tribe 2 in terms of stability?
[05:49] <chowmeined> i think its pretty good
[05:50] <chowmeined> gnome finally fixed the thing that always drived me nuts
[05:50] <chowmeined> drove
[05:50] <chowmeined> the window list items dont get evenly sized but now they do
[05:51] <lufis> ah
[05:52] <chowmeined> the only crash i ran into was um
[05:52] <chowmeined> eye of gnome, but it was already known
[05:52] <lufis> neat, i'm excited :0
[05:52] <lufis> :)
[05:52] <chowmeined> tribe 3 comes out later this week i think
[05:53] <lufis> oh, seriously? i can wait then
[05:53] <chowmeined> yea, they just did a freeze today
[05:54] <lufis> hah, i should have looked up when 3 was due before i started downloading 2
[06:03] <DanaG> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue48
[06:04] <Solarion> thanks for fixing OOo, whoever it was
[06:04] <DanaG> I don't get it: how can Vista be only 50 bucks?  That's what Dell gives you for selecting Ubuntu.  On HP's business machines, selecting FreeDOS gives you 160 or so dollars.
[06:04] <Solarion> do you need/want gnumeric help?
[06:05] <chowmeined> DanaG: microsoft probably threatened them if they were to give a better discount
[06:06] <chowmeined> whats the status on unbreakable X and fixing that install bug where it hangs?
[06:11] <shirish> guys can somebody help me find the game bouncy , I updated but still can't find any info. about bouncy
[06:11] <shirish> while the info. is there in the gutsy-changes lists
[07:30] <yigal> hey is this the place where I can express my interest in using bob marly and quotes from Mahatma Gandhi in 7.10?
[07:30] <yigal> wouldn't that be great
[07:34] <yigal> whats up no one interested in contemplating this?
[07:34] <yigal> it would rock'
[07:34] <yigal> Ubuntu, reggae, and the peace movement are so interconnected that it all makes sense
[07:48] <yigal> too bad
[07:49] <yigal> no one here to talk to
[08:24] <Hobbsee> *** anyone interested in doing some cd testing? ***
[08:40] <knix> Does anyone have xsane working? It does nothing for me but give me
[08:40] <knix> a blank image, scanimgae however ... works fine.
[08:57] <chowmeined> yea wow
[03:04] <chesty> hey, anyone played with openvz?
[03:05] <chesty> is there a kernel or patch for gutsy?
[03:06] <chesty> I installed one from http://debian.systs.org/ but I can't get cryptsetup to work with that kernel
[04:20] <jussi01> Hmmm, anyone know what changes have been made to kde's menu system from feisty to gutsy?
[04:20] <Hobbsee> jussi01: not much, why?
[04:21] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I tried to install crossover office, works fine on feisty, but no icons in the menu's ongutsy
[04:21] <jussi01> program works fine on gutsy,just no icons
[04:22] <Hobbsee> might be a c o problem?
[04:22] <Hobbsee> c o usually carries it's own icons
[04:22] <Hobbsee> none of the icons have changed, iirc
[04:24] <jussi01> Hobbsee: yeah, I thought it might be a difference in the actual kde system for putting icons there. its exactly the same file used to install on both systems.
[04:24] <Hobbsee> new kde, though, so...
[04:25] <jussi01> yeah, thats why I was thinking that...
[04:25] <DanaG> Woah, that's odd: suddenly my X server is missing GLX.
[04:25] <DanaG> It worked fine yesterday, but now it's broken.
[04:27] <Hobbsee> DanaG: to do with compiz stuff?
[04:28] <Hobbsee> DanaG: new cds to test soon if you're interested, btw
[04:28] <DanaG> Even nvidia-settings tells me that GLX is broken.
[04:32] <DanaG> Xlib:  extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0".
[04:34] <DanaG> (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module.  If you continue to encounter problems, Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver.
[04:34] <DanaG> So I shall do that.
[04:34] <DanaG> Will be back soon.
[04:36] <jussi01> Hobbsee: Which package should I look at for that problem? I want to check out the change-log.
[04:37] <Hobbsee> jussi01: kdebase maybe?  i dont know.  you'd have to check the upstream changelog
[04:37] <jussi01> hmmm, yeah. Ill have a look around. thanks anyway
[05:06] <DanaG> Aah, I had installed nvidia-glx-new to let the desktop-effects thing be enabled, but that broke my manually-installed nvidia drivers.
[05:07] <Hobbsee> that'll do it...
[05:08] <DanaG> I wish that desktop-effects panel would detect that I already have nvidia installed.  Right now it's coded to call restricted-manager, I believe.
[05:08] <lamalex> hmm that is a little bit off
[05:09] <DanaG> ubotu: bug 105756
[05:09] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 105756 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "DISABLED_MODULES="nv" doesn't stop nvidia_new.ko from loading" [Undecided,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/105756
[05:09] <DanaG> That was also a factor.
[05:13] <DanaG> Hmm, "Please run "desktop effects" again after restarting the computer, when the new graphics driver is active."  -- the OK button does nothing.
[05:15] <DanaG> Now I have used DISABLED_MODULES but installed nvidia-glx (not new or legacy), so now I can enable desktop-effects through the panel.
[05:26] <jussi01> Hmm, is there a reason aptitude is not included by default in gutsy?
[05:31] <Hobbsee> it is?
[05:42] <systemd0wn> In regards to broken USB to Serial adapters in kernel 2.6.18+ , wasn't this fixed in 2.6.21+ ?
[05:46] <b-tommy> hiho
[05:47] <b-tommy> sorry - my question is al little bit offtopic - but important *g*
[05:47] <jussi01> Hobbsee: no, it isnt, I just had to install it
[05:47] <b-tommy> iam an cd/dvd-editor from an german linux magazin and we would like join two different ubuntu-versions on one dvd
[05:47] <b-tommy> is this possible?
[05:48] <jussi01> unless something uninstalled it, that i didnt know about.
[05:48] <Hobbsee> define "versions"
[05:48] <jussi01> b-tommy: yes
[05:48] <Hobbsee> jussi01: did you have kubuntu-desktop installed, and ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal?
[05:48] <b-tommy> version one ist seminarix, version two is openexchange
[05:48] <Hobbsee> jussi01: oh, did you not upgrade since the apt breakage?
[05:48] <jussi01> Hobbsee: I installed from tribe 2
[05:48] <b-tommy> both based on ubuntu 6.06
[05:48] <Hobbsee> b-tommy: they may have conflicting packages
[05:48] <jussi01> Hobbsee: possibly not.
[05:48] <b-tommy> hmm - i know
[05:49] <Hobbsee> jussi01: that sounds like the apt breakage from a week or so ago..
[05:49] <jussi01> Hobbsee: ok. That sounds like it then
[05:49] <jussi01> fair enough
[05:49] <b-tommy> i have no glue, waht i must do and how i can make ist
[05:50] <jussi01> b-tommy: which exact ones do you want on it?
[05:50] <b-tommy> just a moment:
[05:51] <b-tommy> seminarix: http://www.seminarix.org - the first one. based on ubuntu 6.06
[05:54] <b-tommy> Open Exchange: http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/header/products/openxchange_express_edition.html - based also on Ubuntu 6.06
[05:55] <b-tommy> with additional Pakages
[05:56] <jussi01> b-tommy: I dont know those products well enough to say. sorry.
[05:56] <b-tommy> sorry folks - it is 6 o'clock in the evening - time to go home. if anyone can help me, please mail me to tleichtenstern@linux-magazin.de
[05:56] <b-tommy> thank you so much
[05:57] <b-tommy> by tomorrow
[05:58] <Hobbsee> b-tommy|afk: for a start, i'd suggest actually contacting the makers of the distros themselves...
[05:58] <b-tommy|afk> hmm
[05:58] <b-tommy|afk> have you an specific contact-adress from the maintainer?
[05:58] <Hobbsee> b-tommy|afk: but there's something...wrong, about the concept of putting two operating systems on one cd - which one's it going to know to install?
[05:59] <b-tommy|afk> both
[05:59] <Hobbsee> no, i havent heard of those derivatives before.  google should, though.
[05:59] <b-tommy|afk> seminarix is at first a live-cd with install-options
[06:00] <b-tommy|afk> and openexchange is at first an install-distribution
[06:00] <jussi01> Hmmm, you can do it if you have a non-live cd, ubuntu studio can give you a choice which group of packages you want installed, maybe something like that could be done?
[06:03] <Hobbsee> actually, what you could do is install one, then sudo apt-cdrom add the other cd.  but you'd end up in dependancy hell, i expect
[06:03] <Hobbsee> ...unless you messed with the apt priorities too
[06:05] <Hobbsee> b-tommy|afk: for almost all purposes, no it's not possible
[06:06] <Hobbsee> b-tommy|afk: unless you wish to do a whole lot of extra work
[06:06] <b-tommy|afk> thank you Hobbsee
[06:06] <Hobbsee> b-tommy|afk: it's the equivalent of trying to have windows xp and 2000 on the same dvd, if that helps.
[06:08] <b-tommy|afk> i'll be back tomorrow - thanks alot for your help
[06:11] <systemd0wn> are people still having issues with the pl2303 USB to Serial adapters in kernel 2.6.22 ?
[08:49] <|capirra> hi all any body know if the gutsy alternate cd supports encrypting a partiton?
[08:49] <|capirra> for whole root encryption
[08:49] <|capirra> using dm-crypt
[09:09] <ShackJack> ANyone know what version of alsa Gutsy comes with ?
[09:13] <rsk> ShackJack: 1.0.14
[09:14] <jussi01> !info alsa gutsy
[09:14] <ShackJack> Hmm... not rc1, rc2, etc..., then..
[09:14] <ubotu> Package alsa does not exist in gutsy
[09:14] <jussi01> heh
[09:15] <ShackJack> Riiiight..
[09:15] <rsk> !info alsa-lib gutsy
[09:15] <jussi01> !info alsa-base gutsy
[09:15] <ubotu> Package alsa-lib does not exist in gutsy
[09:15] <ubotu> alsa-base: ALSA driver configuration files. In component main, is important. Version 1.0.14-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 177 kB, installed size 360 kB
[09:15] <jussi01> there we are :)
[09:16] <finalbeta> Nice I've read fedora will use delta updates. (So people don't have to download the entire app for an update of a few files).
[09:16] <finalbeta> I wish Ubuntu did something like this. Volume is hard to get by.
[09:17] <ShackJack> Ahh, handy trick - thanks... That bot knows everything!
[09:17] <ShackJack> !info pidgin
[09:17] <ubotu> pidgin: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1787 kB, installed size 5040 kB
[09:18] <jussi01> ShackJack: just dont abuse it, the bot can only do so much, and its very busy
[10:47] <shirish> ubotu gutsy
[10:47] <ubotu> Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1
[11:02] <rendero> hi, anybody knows if 7.10 release is fixed and ntfs read support exists ?
[11:03] <shirish> rendero: it works fine here
[11:03] <rendero> thx
[11:03] <rendero> and vlc crushed before
[11:04] <rendero> 2 reasons because i didnt keep it on my pc
[11:04] <rsk> rendero: it does in 7.04 so i guess it will be in 7.10
[11:04] <shirish> vlc --release
[11:04] <shirish> VLC media player 0.8.6c Janus
[11:05] <rendero> i used tribe 1
[11:05] <shirish> me on tribe 2+ updates
[11:05] <rendero> it had a lot of bugs
[11:05] <rendero> ok
[11:21] <TheSheep> say, do you guys also have this? evince opens in window larger than the screen, and I have to use the keyboard shortcuts to resize it every time
[11:21] <TheSheep> I just ask before filling a bug to make sure it's not my configuration
[11:25] <SeveredCross> Don't know, don't use Evince.
[11:29] <rendero> and with a lot of commands i got this : ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [11262] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon.... Does anybody get the same ?
[11:29] <TheSheep> rendero: yes
[11:29] <rendero> ok thx
[11:29] <TheSheep> rendero: practically anything that uses gtk
[11:30] <rendero> well, may be some months later it will be stable :S
[11:30] <TheSheep> doubt it
[11:31] <TheSheep> rendero: it doesn't support extended input devices too :(
[11:33] <rendero> which ones ?
[11:35] <TheSheep> rendero: tablet
[11:35] <TheSheep> rendero: there is some bug related to it that makes clicking impossible with the tablet eabled
[11:36] <rendero> because you dont see the cursor ?
[11:37] <TheSheep> rendero: at least they marked it as a duplicate of a gtk bug when I reported it for gimp
[11:37] <TheSheep> rendero: yes, just clicking stops working, both with tablet and the mouse
[11:37] <rendero> yes, i know
[11:37] <rendero> now i remember another bug
[11:40] <Mohero> Hi, all, Just a small question, does any one know if network-manager-pptp will work on manually configured wireless cards in Gutsy?
[11:41] <Mohero> at the moment, it falls over and says it can't find an adaptor...
[11:43] <TheSheep> rendero: funny that it works ok in Inkscape :/
[11:44] <rendero> :/
[12:05] <X_> flight 3, anyone?
[12:06] <X_> sorry, tribe :P
[12:27] <pwnguin> TheSheep: you have a usb tablet?
[12:27] <TheSheep> pwnguin: yes, wacom volito 2
[12:29] <jorgp> X_: comes out tomorrow
[12:29] <pwnguin> TheSheep: nifty. ive got a tablet PC
[12:30] <TheSheep> pwnguin: it was the cheapest there was, but I really need it for work