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| === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by PriceChild at Fri Jul 13 15:38:17 2007 | ||
| Drakeson | If I have both feisty and gutsy in apt/sources.list, does apt-cache seek only gutsy packages? | 01:17 |
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| PriceChild | Drakeson, it will use the highest version numbers | 01:19 |
| PriceChild | you're running a gutsy system | 01:19 |
| PriceChild | and you shouldn't be. | 01:19 |
| aquarius | hrm. what actually *starts* metacity? I thought it was something in /etc/X11/Xsession.d | 01:20 |
| Drakeson | so, if there is no wine in gutsy it will look for one in feisty? | 01:20 |
| Drakeson | the situation is that apt-cache search wine gives me nothing | 01:21 |
| PriceChild | !info wine gutsy | 01:21 |
| ubotu | wine: Microsoft Windows Compatibility Layer (Binary Emulator and Library). In component universe, is optional. Version 0.9.41-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 31833 kB, installed size 99684 kB | 01:21 |
| Dave2 | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 17 2007-06-30 14:10 x-window-manager -> /usr/bin/metacity | 01:22 |
| Dave2 | It appears to be in the init scripts as /usr/bin/x-window-manager which is /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager which is /usr/bin/metacity | 01:22 |
| aquarius | which I also have. But it's not being started. | 01:23 |
| aquarius | hrm. | 01:23 |
| Drakeson | isn't this enough? --> deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ gutsy main resticted universe multiverse | 01:23 |
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| Drakeson | !repos | 01:24 |
| ubotu | The packages in Ubuntu are divided into several sections. More information at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Repositories and http://www.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/components - See also !EasySource | 01:24 |
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| xtknight | anyone else have a broken gutsy? | 01:35 |
| xtknight | dbus session error | 01:35 |
| aquarius | me (from gobuntu nightly) -- D-Bus seems to not be starting correctly, no nautilus. | 01:35 |
| xtknight | i cant get in to my desktop | 01:36 |
| xtknight | gdm hangs after login | 01:36 |
| xtknight | it's not like i'm in dire straits or anything, it's just a VM but i'd just like to know.. | 01:36 |
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| sayers | Hello, how do I mess with compiz fusions settings? | 01:41 |
| Tm_T | !compiz | 01:42 |
| ubotu | Compiz (compositing window manager) and XGL (X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL) - Howto at http://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompositeManager - See http://tinyurl.com/pw5ez for Kubuntu systems - Help in #ubuntu-effects | 01:42 |
| Tm_T | sayers: #ubuntu-effects might help | 01:42 |
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| matthew1429 | where would i look to browse the current planned features for gutsy? | 03:57 |
| matthew1429 | hello? | 03:57 |
| sn0 | hi matthew1429 | 03:58 |
| sn0 | !gutsy | 03:58 |
| ubotu | Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1 | 03:58 |
| matthew1429 | ty :) | 03:58 |
| sn0 | yw :) | 03:58 |
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| DanaG | What is gobuntu? | 05:30 |
| DanaG | "Go" makes me think "Mobile", not "Free." | 05:30 |
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| lamalex | danag: agreed | 05:31 |
| lamalex | that's what they should have called UME | 05:32 |
| lamalex | gnubuntu was much better | 05:32 |
| chowmeined | they could call it gNewSense | 05:34 |
| chowmeined | freedombuntu | 05:34 |
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| -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- You do not have channel operator access to [#ubuntu-boot] | 05:44 | |
| -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-server] Ubuntu Server Discussions (development and support) | 05:44 | |
| -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu-ops] Welcome to #ubuntu-ops - Home of the operators for official K/X/Ed/Ubuntu channels. Questions, requests and complaints about Ubuntu related channels and their people can be filed here" | 05:44 | |
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| === Topic for #ubuntu+1: The In Development Version Channel | Please *don't* run gutsy unless you are familiar with dpkg and dependencies, bug fixing, etc | Ubuntu 7.10 - the "Gutsy Gibbon" | Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule | Do not use development versions of Ubuntu on production systems | For support for Dapper, Edgy, Feisty please join #ubuntu. | Go Ape! | ||
| === Topic (#ubuntu+1): set by PriceChild at Fri Jul 13 15:38:17 2007 | ||
| -ChanServ(ChanServ@services.)- [#ubuntu+1] Please read the topic. Especially if things are broken! | 05:44 | |
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| lufis | how is tribe 2 in terms of stability? | 05:49 |
| chowmeined | i think its pretty good | 05:49 |
| chowmeined | gnome finally fixed the thing that always drived me nuts | 05:50 |
| chowmeined | drove | 05:50 |
| chowmeined | the window list items dont get evenly sized but now they do | 05:50 |
| lufis | ah | 05:51 |
| chowmeined | the only crash i ran into was um | 05:52 |
| chowmeined | eye of gnome, but it was already known | 05:52 |
| lufis | neat, i'm excited :0 | 05:52 |
| lufis | :) | 05:52 |
| chowmeined | tribe 3 comes out later this week i think | 05:52 |
| lufis | oh, seriously? i can wait then | 05:53 |
| chowmeined | yea, they just did a freeze today | 05:53 |
| lufis | hah, i should have looked up when 3 was due before i started downloading 2 | 05:54 |
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| DanaG | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue48 | 06:03 |
| Solarion | thanks for fixing OOo, whoever it was | 06:04 |
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| DanaG | I don't get it: how can Vista be only 50 bucks? That's what Dell gives you for selecting Ubuntu. On HP's business machines, selecting FreeDOS gives you 160 or so dollars. | 06:04 |
| Solarion | do you need/want gnumeric help? | 06:04 |
| chowmeined | DanaG: microsoft probably threatened them if they were to give a better discount | 06:05 |
| chowmeined | whats the status on unbreakable X and fixing that install bug where it hangs? | 06:06 |
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| shirish | guys can somebody help me find the game bouncy , I updated but still can't find any info. about bouncy | 06:11 |
| shirish | while the info. is there in the gutsy-changes lists | 06:11 |
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| yigal | hey is this the place where I can express my interest in using bob marly and quotes from Mahatma Gandhi in 7.10? | 07:30 |
| yigal | wouldn't that be great | 07:30 |
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| yigal | whats up no one interested in contemplating this? | 07:34 |
| yigal | it would rock' | 07:34 |
| yigal | Ubuntu, reggae, and the peace movement are so interconnected that it all makes sense | 07:34 |
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| yigal | too bad | 07:48 |
| yigal | no one here to talk to | 07:49 |
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| Hobbsee | *** anyone interested in doing some cd testing? *** | 08:24 |
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| knix | Does anyone have xsane working? It does nothing for me but give me | 08:40 |
| knix | a blank image, scanimgae however ... works fine. | 08:40 |
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| chowmeined | yea wow | 08:57 |
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| chesty | hey, anyone played with openvz? | 03:04 |
| chesty | is there a kernel or patch for gutsy? | 03:05 |
| chesty | I installed one from http://debian.systs.org/ but I can't get cryptsetup to work with that kernel | 03:06 |
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| jussi01 | Hmmm, anyone know what changes have been made to kde's menu system from feisty to gutsy? | 04:20 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: not much, why? | 04:20 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: I tried to install crossover office, works fine on feisty, but no icons in the menu's ongutsy | 04:21 |
| jussi01 | program works fine on gutsy,just no icons | 04:21 |
| Hobbsee | might be a c o problem? | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | c o usually carries it's own icons | 04:22 |
| Hobbsee | none of the icons have changed, iirc | 04:22 |
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| jussi01 | Hobbsee: yeah, I thought it might be a difference in the actual kde system for putting icons there. its exactly the same file used to install on both systems. | 04:24 |
| Hobbsee | new kde, though, so... | 04:24 |
| jussi01 | yeah, thats why I was thinking that... | 04:25 |
| DanaG | Woah, that's odd: suddenly my X server is missing GLX. | 04:25 |
| DanaG | It worked fine yesterday, but now it's broken. | 04:25 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: to do with compiz stuff? | 04:27 |
| Hobbsee | DanaG: new cds to test soon if you're interested, btw | 04:28 |
| DanaG | Even nvidia-settings tells me that GLX is broken. | 04:28 |
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| DanaG | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". | 04:32 |
| DanaG | (EE) NVIDIA(0): Failed to initialize the GLX module; please check in your X log file that the GLX module has been loaded in your X server, and that the module is the NVIDIA GLX module. If you continue to encounter problems, Please try reinstalling the NVIDIA driver. | 04:34 |
| DanaG | So I shall do that. | 04:34 |
| DanaG | Will be back soon. | 04:34 |
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| jussi01 | Hobbsee: Which package should I look at for that problem? I want to check out the change-log. | 04:36 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: kdebase maybe? i dont know. you'd have to check the upstream changelog | 04:37 |
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| jussi01 | hmmm, yeah. Ill have a look around. thanks anyway | 04:37 |
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| DanaG | Aah, I had installed nvidia-glx-new to let the desktop-effects thing be enabled, but that broke my manually-installed nvidia drivers. | 05:06 |
| Hobbsee | that'll do it... | 05:07 |
| DanaG | I wish that desktop-effects panel would detect that I already have nvidia installed. Right now it's coded to call restricted-manager, I believe. | 05:08 |
| lamalex | hmm that is a little bit off | 05:08 |
| DanaG | ubotu: bug 105756 | 05:09 |
| ubotu | Launchpad bug 105756 in linux-restricted-modules-2.6.22 "DISABLED_MODULES="nv" doesn't stop nvidia_new.ko from loading" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/105756 | 05:09 |
| DanaG | That was also a factor. | 05:09 |
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| DanaG | Hmm, "Please run "desktop effects" again after restarting the computer, when the new graphics driver is active." -- the OK button does nothing. | 05:13 |
| DanaG | Now I have used DISABLED_MODULES but installed nvidia-glx (not new or legacy), so now I can enable desktop-effects through the panel. | 05:15 |
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| jussi01 | Hmm, is there a reason aptitude is not included by default in gutsy? | 05:26 |
| Hobbsee | it is? | 05:31 |
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| systemd0wn | In regards to broken USB to Serial adapters in kernel 2.6.18+ , wasn't this fixed in 2.6.21+ ? | 05:42 |
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| b-tommy | hiho | 05:46 |
| b-tommy | sorry - my question is al little bit offtopic - but important *g* | 05:47 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: no, it isnt, I just had to install it | 05:47 |
| b-tommy | iam an cd/dvd-editor from an german linux magazin and we would like join two different ubuntu-versions on one dvd | 05:47 |
| b-tommy | is this possible? | 05:47 |
| jussi01 | unless something uninstalled it, that i didnt know about. | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | define "versions" | 05:48 |
| jussi01 | b-tommy: yes | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: did you have kubuntu-desktop installed, and ubuntu-standard and ubuntu-minimal? | 05:48 |
| b-tommy | version one ist seminarix, version two is openexchange | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: oh, did you not upgrade since the apt breakage? | 05:48 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: I installed from tribe 2 | 05:48 |
| b-tommy | both based on ubuntu 6.06 | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | b-tommy: they may have conflicting packages | 05:48 |
| jussi01 | Hobbsee: possibly not. | 05:48 |
| b-tommy | hmm - i know | 05:48 |
| Hobbsee | jussi01: that sounds like the apt breakage from a week or so ago.. | 05:49 |
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| jussi01 | Hobbsee: ok. That sounds like it then | 05:49 |
| jussi01 | fair enough | 05:49 |
| b-tommy | i have no glue, waht i must do and how i can make ist | 05:49 |
| jussi01 | b-tommy: which exact ones do you want on it? | 05:50 |
| b-tommy | just a moment: | 05:50 |
| b-tommy | seminarix: http://www.seminarix.org - the first one. based on ubuntu 6.06 | 05:51 |
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| b-tommy | Open Exchange: http://www.open-xchange.com/EN/header/products/openxchange_express_edition.html - based also on Ubuntu 6.06 | 05:54 |
| b-tommy | with additional Pakages | 05:55 |
| jussi01 | b-tommy: I dont know those products well enough to say. sorry. | 05:56 |
| b-tommy | sorry folks - it is 6 o'clock in the evening - time to go home. if anyone can help me, please mail me to tleichtenstern@linux-magazin.de | 05:56 |
| b-tommy | thank you so much | 05:56 |
| b-tommy | by tomorrow | 05:57 |
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| Hobbsee | b-tommy|afk: for a start, i'd suggest actually contacting the makers of the distros themselves... | 05:58 |
| b-tommy|afk | hmm | 05:58 |
| b-tommy|afk | have you an specific contact-adress from the maintainer? | 05:58 |
| Hobbsee | b-tommy|afk: but there's something...wrong, about the concept of putting two operating systems on one cd - which one's it going to know to install? | 05:58 |
| b-tommy|afk | both | 05:59 |
| Hobbsee | no, i havent heard of those derivatives before. google should, though. | 05:59 |
| b-tommy|afk | seminarix is at first a live-cd with install-options | 05:59 |
| b-tommy|afk | and openexchange is at first an install-distribution | 06:00 |
| jussi01 | Hmmm, you can do it if you have a non-live cd, ubuntu studio can give you a choice which group of packages you want installed, maybe something like that could be done? | 06:00 |
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| Hobbsee | actually, what you could do is install one, then sudo apt-cdrom add the other cd. but you'd end up in dependancy hell, i expect | 06:03 |
| Hobbsee | ...unless you messed with the apt priorities too | 06:03 |
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| Hobbsee | b-tommy|afk: for almost all purposes, no it's not possible | 06:05 |
| Hobbsee | b-tommy|afk: unless you wish to do a whole lot of extra work | 06:06 |
| b-tommy|afk | thank you Hobbsee | 06:06 |
| Hobbsee | b-tommy|afk: it's the equivalent of trying to have windows xp and 2000 on the same dvd, if that helps. | 06:06 |
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| b-tommy|afk | i'll be back tomorrow - thanks alot for your help | 06:08 |
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| systemd0wn | are people still having issues with the pl2303 USB to Serial adapters in kernel 2.6.22 ? | 06:11 |
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| |capirra | hi all any body know if the gutsy alternate cd supports encrypting a partiton? | 08:49 |
| |capirra | for whole root encryption | 08:49 |
| |capirra | using dm-crypt | 08:49 |
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| ShackJack | ANyone know what version of alsa Gutsy comes with ? | 09:09 |
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| rsk | ShackJack: 1.0.14 | 09:13 |
| jussi01 | !info alsa gutsy | 09:14 |
| ShackJack | Hmm... not rc1, rc2, etc..., then.. | 09:14 |
| ubotu | Package alsa does not exist in gutsy | 09:14 |
| jussi01 | heh | 09:14 |
| ShackJack | Riiiight.. | 09:15 |
| rsk | !info alsa-lib gutsy | 09:15 |
| jussi01 | !info alsa-base gutsy | 09:15 |
| ubotu | Package alsa-lib does not exist in gutsy | 09:15 |
| ubotu | alsa-base: ALSA driver configuration files. In component main, is important. Version 1.0.14-1ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 177 kB, installed size 360 kB | 09:15 |
| jussi01 | there we are :) | 09:15 |
| finalbeta | Nice I've read fedora will use delta updates. (So people don't have to download the entire app for an update of a few files). | 09:16 |
| finalbeta | I wish Ubuntu did something like this. Volume is hard to get by. | 09:16 |
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| ShackJack | Ahh, handy trick - thanks... That bot knows everything! | 09:17 |
| ShackJack | !info pidgin | 09:17 |
| ubotu | pidgin: multi-protocol instant messaging client. In component main, is optional. Version 1:2.0.2-0ubuntu1 (gutsy), package size 1787 kB, installed size 5040 kB | 09:17 |
| jussi01 | ShackJack: just dont abuse it, the bot can only do so much, and its very busy | 09:18 |
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| shirish | ubotu gutsy | 10:47 |
| ubotu | Gutsy Gibbon is the code name for the next release of Ubuntu (7.10). See https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2007-April/000276.html and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GutsyReleaseSchedule - Roadmap and specifications: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/gutsy - Support in #ubuntu+1 | 10:47 |
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| rendero | hi, anybody knows if 7.10 release is fixed and ntfs read support exists ? | 11:02 |
| shirish | rendero: it works fine here | 11:03 |
| rendero | thx | 11:03 |
| rendero | and vlc crushed before | 11:03 |
| rendero | 2 reasons because i didnt keep it on my pc | 11:04 |
| rsk | rendero: it does in 7.04 so i guess it will be in 7.10 | 11:04 |
| shirish | vlc --release | 11:04 |
| shirish | VLC media player 0.8.6c Janus | 11:04 |
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| rendero | i used tribe 1 | 11:05 |
| shirish | me on tribe 2+ updates | 11:05 |
| rendero | it had a lot of bugs | 11:05 |
| rendero | ok | 11:05 |
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| TheSheep | say, do you guys also have this? evince opens in window larger than the screen, and I have to use the keyboard shortcuts to resize it every time | 11:21 |
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| TheSheep | I just ask before filling a bug to make sure it's not my configuration | 11:21 |
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| SeveredCross | Don't know, don't use Evince. | 11:25 |
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| rendero | and with a lot of commands i got this : ***MEMORY-WARNING***: [11262] : GSlice: g_thread_init() must be called before all other GLib functions; memory corruption due to late invocation of g_thread_init() has been detected; this program is likely to crash, leak or unexpectedly abort soon.... Does anybody get the same ? | 11:29 |
| TheSheep | rendero: yes | 11:29 |
| rendero | ok thx | 11:29 |
| TheSheep | rendero: practically anything that uses gtk | 11:29 |
| rendero | well, may be some months later it will be stable :S | 11:30 |
| TheSheep | doubt it | 11:30 |
| TheSheep | rendero: it doesn't support extended input devices too :( | 11:31 |
| rendero | which ones ? | 11:33 |
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| TheSheep | rendero: tablet | 11:35 |
| TheSheep | rendero: there is some bug related to it that makes clicking impossible with the tablet eabled | 11:35 |
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| rendero | because you dont see the cursor ? | 11:36 |
| TheSheep | rendero: at least they marked it as a duplicate of a gtk bug when I reported it for gimp | 11:37 |
| TheSheep | rendero: yes, just clicking stops working, both with tablet and the mouse | 11:37 |
| rendero | yes, i know | 11:37 |
| rendero | now i remember another bug | 11:37 |
| Mohero | Hi, all, Just a small question, does any one know if network-manager-pptp will work on manually configured wireless cards in Gutsy? | 11:40 |
| Mohero | at the moment, it falls over and says it can't find an adaptor... | 11:41 |
| TheSheep | rendero: funny that it works ok in Inkscape :/ | 11:43 |
| rendero | :/ | 11:44 |
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| X_ | flight 3, anyone? | 12:05 |
| X_ | sorry, tribe :P | 12:06 |
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| pwnguin | TheSheep: you have a usb tablet? | 12:27 |
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| TheSheep | pwnguin: yes, wacom volito 2 | 12:27 |
| jorgp | X_: comes out tomorrow | 12:29 |
| pwnguin | TheSheep: nifty. ive got a tablet PC | 12:29 |
| TheSheep | pwnguin: it was the cheapest there was, but I really need it for work | 12:30 |
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