=== ubuntulog [i=ubuntulo@trider-g7.fabbione.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Topic for #ubuntu-devel: Development of Ubuntu (not support, even with gutsy; not application development on Ubuntu) | #ubuntu for support and general discussion for dapper/edgy/feisty, #ubuntu+1 for gutsy support | #ubuntu-motu for getting involved in development | http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment | See #ubuntu-bugs for http://wiki.ubuntu.com/HelpingWithBugs | Main FROZEN for Tribe 3 | Please test the Tribe-3 candidates: https://isotesting.stgraber.org/ === Topic (#ubuntu-devel): set by pitti at Tue Jul 17 22:10:41 2007 === #ubuntu-devel [freenode-info] please register your nickname...don't forget to auto-identify! http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#nicksetup === AndyP [n=andyp@ubuntu/member/welshbyte] has joined #ubuntu-devel === maniacmusician [n=maniacmu@24-151-1-004.dhcp.nwtn.ct.charter.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-065-094.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === etank [n=etank@ubuntu/member/etank] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === david_ross is now known as wolfe === emet [n=help_roo@unaffiliated/emet] has joined #ubuntu-devel === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === persia [n=persia@ubuntu/member/persia] has joined #ubuntu-devel === syp_ [n=chatzill@dhcp-83-219-108-36.customers.tvtnet.ch] has joined #ubuntu-devel === doviende [n=pete@h24-207-76-94.cst.dccnet.com] has left #ubuntu-devel ["rcirc] === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has joined #ubuntu-devel === archis [n=archis@unaffiliated/archis] has left #ubuntu-devel ["Ex-Chat"] === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === FireRabbit [n=FireRabb@216.127.61.152] has joined #ubuntu-devel [02:18] are people from the desktop team going to be at ubuntu live next week? [02:18] a few will be. [02:19] will there be interest in a BoF to hack on stuff? I am thinking about organizing something. [02:20] according to the schedule, dholbach will be there, maybe ask him who else is going. [02:20] okay. 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[07:15] i can't get to the servers === ajmitch can get to launchpad, but others can't [07:15] calc: certain pieces appear to be down for some [07:15] I can still get to the wiki [07:15] mail and irc is down for me [07:16] calc: WORKSFORME [07:16] clearly you have no paid your tax to Mark for this month [07:16] heh [07:17] he can take it out of my paycheck ;P [07:17] heh === calc can't access his ubuntu email now, grr [07:17] hmm security.ubuntu.com seems down for me as well === calc wonders if the whole DC is down [07:18] or maybe just one of the racks [07:18] calc: routing, I'd say [07:18] since I can reach everything that I know of [07:18] hmm ok [07:19] yep its routing [07:19] mtr tells all? [07:19] level3 in dallas is dead [07:19] not sure if the next hop after dallas is london or not === milli [n=milli@famfrit.acmeps.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:20] i forgot the nicks of the IS/IT staff so i can't ping them either :\ [07:21] calc: whose? level3? [07:21] canonical is/it [07:21] ahh [07:21] elmo [07:21] he's asleep probably [07:21] 6:21am there [07:21] likely [07:21] I go seattle --> london, so I would suspect you probably go that as well [07:21] you could try #canonical-sysadmin [07:26] started working as soon as i complained in there, lol [07:26] it had been down an hour === yigal [n=yigal@pool-71-118-39-68.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [07:28] grr my fiance keeps editing pictures of her wedding dress and tells me not to look at the computer screen, lol [07:28] we get married on sat [07:29] hey is this the place where I can express my interest in using bob marly and quotes from Mahatma Gandhi in 7.10? [07:29] yigal: huh? [07:29] wouldn't that be the best [07:30] huh a palindrome [07:30] if it were a word [07:30] its american english ;) [07:31] i dig it [07:31] ooo is melting my brain [07:32] open office? [07:32] yigal: yea [07:32] i'm trying to build 2.3 m221 [07:32] hmm, I really don't like using ooo its to bulky [07:33] for my needs [07:33] abiword/gnumeric [07:33] its a bit large yea [07:34] its not the size, its just that on my machine its noticeably slower than using other tools for the same purpose, who knows [07:34] mostly due to it being huge probably, heh [07:34] calc: Any earth shattering changes from 2.2 to 2.3 m221? [07:35] probably that it breaks more often [07:37] StevenK: it doesn't build yet for me [07:37] StevenK: which with 2.2 it didn't build randomly now it always doesn't build :) [07:38] That's an improvement. :-P [07:38] i know why it fails currently but not sure how to fix it [07:38] its looking for nspr in /usr/include/firefox/nspr [07:38] which is not where it is at [07:39] i probably need to look at what all patches debian is using with it and move them over for ubuntu [07:39] rene is asleep i think so i will have to ask him tomorrow [07:40] calc: symbolic links? [07:41] yigal: well that could solve it but its probably not the right answer overall [07:41] calc: why not? [07:41] because it should be looking for nspr where it normally is [07:42] calc: is there a configure flag to tell it where it is? [07:42] not in a firefox subdir [07:42] not certain, i don't think so, i couldn't determine where it was combining the directory yet [07:42] calc: so no simple search like, "configure --help | grep -i nspr" does anything [07:42] nope [07:43] calc: owell [07:43] :( [07:43] :) [07:43] yigal: Also because you can't do symbolic links in /usr/include/ when building on buildds. [07:44] minghua: well if the solution longterm was symlinks they could be added to the firefox-dev package (maybe, unlikely since it would be dangling in some cases) [07:45] calc: Yes sure. But I think you agree that it doesn't look like a long-term solution. :-) [07:46] minghua: I mean there are symbolic links in /usr/include though? [07:46] minghua: already [07:46] not right now [07:46] hmm it probably should be using nspr-config to get the includedir from [07:46] minghua: at least on my debian OS there is, im in unstable not ubuntu right now [07:46] which is set correctly [07:47] yigal: there isn't even a firefox-dev on sid [07:47] yigal: Do you mean symbolic links in general or /usr/include/firefox/nspr/ in specific? [07:47] i installed iceape-dev and it has no symlinks in /usr/include/iceape -> nspr [07:47] what package in sid has /usr/include/firefox ? [07:47] calc: no what I said before, there are symbolic links in /usr/include [07:47] :) [07:47] oh ok, nm [07:48] i need to go to bed, have a good few hours :) [07:48] night/day/evening/morning/etc ;) [07:48] night calc [07:48] night calc [07:48] sleep tight === yigal [n=yigal@pool-71-118-39-68.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Lure [n=lure@external-1.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-devel === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel === RadiantFire [n=ryan@ip68-230-209-186.rd.hr.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:26] greetings all === jetscreamer [n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Gasten [n=Gasten@h52n9c1o1095.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:34] Hobbsee! [08:34] mneptok! [08:34] http://mneptok.com/beer.pl [08:35] Hobbsee: how long until release? [08:35] Burgundavia: over 24 hours [08:35] ok [08:35] Burgundavia: we need testers, so if anyone's interested... [08:36] don't have the hardware [08:36] i meant of people you knew === Shely [n=huahua@60.20.63.85] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:37] right [08:37] all the millions whom I share an apartment with [08:37] i meant in whatever channels you're in [08:41] Hobbsee: did you check that Perl? === jml_ [n=jml@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:42] (maybe so, you went suddenly quiet) [08:42] mneptok: no, i didnt [08:43] mneptok: that is wrong [08:44] insta-brainfry === Czubek [n=Damian@k133d.ac.pwr.wroc.pl] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:46] mneptok: heh :P [08:46] some people ... === amitk_ [n=amit@a81-197-135-210.elisa-laajakaista.fi] has joined #ubuntu-devel [08:55] SRU's should be based on the newest security version, right? [08:55] yes, i think so.. [08:56] Thought so. Thanks. [08:58] SRU and security updates are different. [09:04] StevenK: Indeed, but it seems like at lot of useless work to apply a patch to the originally released version, have it tested an uploaded to -updates and then afterwards have to go through the security patching again and push that to -security. [09:04] StevenK: What would be the purpose of maintaining an insecure version along with a secure version? [09:06] How can I tell dpkg-source that it's ok that the Maintainer is does not contain "ubuntu" even though the version string does? [09:06] -W does not help at all, it seems. [09:08] soren: Why not just do -security then? [09:08] StevenK: Because it's not a security fix? === hunger_t [n=tobias@pd95b0676.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:09] In which case both fixes can be put in an SRU [09:09] StevenK: That's what I suggested to begin with? [09:09] It seems so, so I'll shut up now. :-) [09:10] StevenK: :) === jinty [n=jinty@145.Red-83-56-156.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === TheMuso chuckles at d-i offering my irda device as a network device. === thekorn [n=thekorn@130.75.237.79] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti [n=pitti@ubuntu/member/pitti] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee now remembers why she was going to change the name of this machine to OnFire [09:16] Good morning [09:16] morning pitti! === StevenK waves to pitti [09:17] hey StevenK === StevenK thinks he has run out of NBS work to do. [09:18] StevenK: great! so the remaining ones are just unsolvable? [09:19] pitti: [09:19] Oops. [09:19] pitti: libspandsp1 is the exception, it's waiting for a new asterisk-spandsp-plugins to hit Debian. [09:19] ah [09:20] pitti: The others either FTBFS completly, or the API has changed completly and upstream hasn't fixed it. [09:21] Actually, libatlas-cpp-0.6-0c2a will be done when a new sear hits Debian [09:24] soren: do you have some time to give a spin to the server CDs? [09:24] Hrm. I think the reason graphicsmagick blows up on ia64 is the same reason ps2pdf does. === cjwatson [n=cjwatson@82-69-40-219.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:25] pitti: Sure. The current dailies? [09:25] pitti: And those 3 libgcj7-0 packages blow up due to Java changes. === RAOF [n=chris@123-243-65-41.tpgi.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:27] StevenK: ok, so let's not care [09:27] soren: right, the ones mentioned in the iso tracker (still /current) [09:27] soren: congrats for being the only European server team member :) [09:27] soren: don't do them all, of course, let some to mathiaz and dendrobates as well [09:28] pitti: === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:30] pitti: please approve freetds, changed b-d to avoid sucking in libglib1.2-dev from universe [09:30] pitti: "upgrade" is from Feisty, I presume? [09:31] soren: right [09:31] doko: ah, evil; libglib-dev [09:31] pitti: I'll do it when my ISO's are done rsyncing . I'm pushing a mysql upload the other way through my poor internet connection, so everything is a bit slow. [09:32] soren: oh, new mysql orig.tar.gz? [09:32] doko: hm, that doesn't seem to be on the CDs [09:32] pitti: Actually and old one. :) [09:35] pitti: I'm using my PPA to test a patch for a Dapper SRU and that apparantly required the orig.tar.gz too. === jsgotangco [n=jsgotang@smtp01.globe.com.ph] has joined #ubuntu-devel === aquo [n=aquo@dslb-088-073-223-231.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:42] pitti: Where are the testing procedures described? I'm not sure whether I should just 'apt-cdrom add && apt-get dist-upgrade' or I should use update-manager-core ? === pitti_ [n=pitti@p54B33D7E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [09:43] pitti_: (resending as I'm guessing you lost your connection?) Where are the testing procedures described? I'm not sure whether I should just 'apt-cdrom add && apt-get dist-upgrade' or I should use update-manager-core ? [09:44] soren: use the update-manager-core, usually [09:45] Hobbsee: Alright. _ISO_-testing just confused me. :) [09:45] soren: well, most of it is iso's :) [09:45] soren: wait, are you testing a dist upgrade, or a cd? [09:46] soren: as in, dist-upgrade, or clean install === pitti___ [n=pitti@195.227.105.180] has joined #ubuntu-devel === pitti___ is now known as pitti [09:48] Hobbsee: It just says "upgrade", which pitti says is an upgrade from Feisty. [09:48] oh right, yes. [09:49] then it's a dist-upgrade, with the upgrade manager [09:49] "do-release-upgrade -d" says "Checking for a new ubuntu release\ncurrent dist not found in meta-release file\nNo new release found". [09:50] i thought it was update-manager -d [09:51] That's the graphical thing. I'm testing the server ISO's. [09:51] soren: hm, maybe try with good ol' apt-get dist-upgrade? [09:51] that should still work IMHO [09:52] pitti: Probably. [09:52] soren: okay, where's the duncecap. duh. [09:54] Hobbsee: :) [09:54] i knew that, i'm sure i did. === superm1 [n=superm1@ubuntu/member/superm1] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:03] morning === samurailink3 [n=samurail@ip68-109-153-167.ph.ph.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:06] morning stgraber [10:07] hi stgraber === dholbach [n=daniel@pD9E27ECD.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:09] good morning [10:09] morning dholbach! === Hobbsee hugs dholbach [10:10] hi Hobbsee === dholbach hugs Hobbsee back [10:10] morning dholbach === samurailink3 [n=samurail@ip68-109-153-167.ph.ph.cox.net] has left #ubuntu-devel [] [10:13] hey stgraber === jack_wyt_ [n=jack@124.64.104.52] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Tonio_ [n=tonio@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:24] soren: 'DEBEMAIL=somethingelse@example.com debuild' will suppress the maintainer check [10:30] cjwatson: Ah, great. Thanks. === MagnusR [n=magru@c83-252-237-96.bredband.comhem.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-devel === mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] has joined #ubuntu-devel === \sh_away is now known as \sh [10:42] Riddell: what do you think about bug 112414? [10:42] Launchpad bug 112414 in kdeedu "Error: Could not find service 'kfmclient' using Gnome" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/112414 [10:42] Tonio_: can you take a look at bug 113972? [10:42] Launchpad bug 113972 in ktorrent "wrong link in .deb summary" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/113972 [10:44] bryce: if you have a sec for bug 117939 - that'd be nice [10:44] Launchpad bug 117939 in inkscape "tutorial-basic.svg has wrong text" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/117939 [10:46] dholbach: oki that'll be fixed today [10:46] dholbach: seems to be a veeeeeeeeeeeeery old issue :) [10:46] dholbach: hmm, tricky, that would require edubuntu to ship konqueror, which they wouldn't want [10:47] dholbach: ideally we should port kstars or the method it runs to call xdg-utils [10:47] rock on Tonio_ [10:47] Riddell: ah great - idea - can you add that comment to the bug? maybe somebody picks it up... in the meantime, I'll un-assign it from ubuntu-main-sponsors [10:48] doko: do you know anything about what's happening with bug 122442? [10:48] Launchpad bug 122442 in sun-java6 "Memleak in Sun Java 6 on ubuntu feisty" [Wishlist,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/122442 === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel [10:50] dholbach: no, didn't look at it === giskard [n=giskard@81-208-125-39.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Hobbsee_ [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel === Martinp23 [n=Martin@wikimedia/Martinp23] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:00] Riddell: a) soprano is dep-wait on a library not in feisty, b) why is it in main in fesity-backports, when it's in universe in gutsy? === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.1.86.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:03] infinity: libqt4-dev (>> 4.3~beta~) is in feisty-backports [11:03] Wait, two tildes in a version? Is that a typo? [11:03] could be, it comes from debian === dholbach hugs infinity [11:04] Riddell: So, the more curious question, though, why was it accepted to main? === keyes [n=keyes@easyubuntu/keyes] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:05] infinity: does soyuz put backports into main by default? [11:05] Riddell: Anything NEW is ain main by default... One needs to override it. [11:05] And I assume it was NEW, cause it wouldn't have been in the feisty overrides. [11:05] cjwatson: ooh, oem install now skips gdm and has that new icon; shiny! === Yasumoto [n=Yasumoto@cpe-75-84-49-174.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] infinity: yes, it was, I'll add a note to the documentation === Nicke [n=niclasa@h161n2fls31o808.telia.com] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:06] Riddell: Anyhow, I'll move the source package to universe now. [11:07] Riddell: And I suspect that soyuz is choking on that bizarre version comparison and not clearing the dep-wait, so I'll have to fiddle with it by hand in the DB... (ph34r!) [11:07] infinity: I can upload a fixed version if that's easier [11:07] infinity: I have a mysql question for you.. AFAICS the mysql-server (unversioned) package is there to depend on the preferred mysql-server-x.x package, but it also does all sorts of black magic in its maintainer scripts.. Any work needed to migrate to e.g. m-s-5.1 should be in m-s-5.1's postinst, surely? [11:08] soren: The black magic is specifically for people who are tracking "default versions"... People who install a specific version most likely want that, and will never be auto-updated... [11:09] infinity: So if I have 4.1 installed, and I install 5.0.. What would happen? [11:09] infinity: How is it different from e.g. what our linux-meta package is supposed to do? [11:12] Oh, I see... [11:12] a-haa [11:12] it seems that esd is responsible for a large portion of session hangs [11:12] soren: The "black magic" in the mysel-server preinst is for migration from before mysql-server packages were versioned. [11:12] I see the sense in having a meta package, but the migration bit belongs in the actual packages, I think. [11:12] soren: 4.1->5.0 should, in theory, be covered by the 5.0 scripts (and same for 5.1)... This is for 3.xx and 4.0, which were just "mysql-server". [11:13] infinity: Ah, so it should just be removed? [11:13] soren: I'm not keen on removing it, no. :) [11:13] gah.. [11:13] soren: You may be surprised to know that I still have a MySQL 3.xx installation somewhere. :) [11:13] And a few 4.0 [11:14] (Okay, anyone who knows me won't be surprised by that at all) [11:14] I think I still have a potato box behind a firewall somewhere. [11:15] infinity: Well, since Ubuntu has had versioned mysql-server packages since Hoary, I don't see any harm in removing it here. [11:15] Riddell: It's just as easy for me to fiddle with the DB. Besides, I'm waiting on a publisher run for the override change to commit anyway, so it's not like there's a rush. === ivoks [n=ivoks@3-192.dsl.iskon.hr] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:15] soren: Err... [11:15] soren: Default mysql in breezy was 4.0, and it was unversioned. [11:16] soren: The versioned "4.1" was in universe. [11:16] infinity: Aw, crap. === luisbg_ [n=luisbg@p54BE333A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:16] infinity: You're right. [11:16] soren: Is the preinst causing you grief, or are you just offended by its continued existence? [11:17] infinity: The former. [11:17] soren: (And people complaining about preinsts stopping daemons doesn't count as "grienf") [11:17] infinity: It stops the running mysql. It's pointless. [11:17] Or grief. [11:17] infinity: If it doesn't start it again, it counts. [11:17] infinity: Which it doesn't. [11:17] "OH NOES, WHILE UPDATING MY DATABASE SERVER, IT WENT OFFLINE FOR A FEW MINUTES!" has never been a convincing argument to me. [11:17] soren: It gets started in postinst... [11:18] infinity: Yes, mysql-server-5.0's postinst. [11:18] soren: Oh, hrm. Which would be a problem if youonly updated the metapackage for some bizarre reason. [11:18] infinity: So if you have mysql-server-5.0 installed and later install mysql-server, you're left without a running mysql. [11:18] soren: Okay, see, now we have a real bug, rather than "why is that there/" [11:19] soren: And, yet, it's been like this for ages, and I've never seen anyone complain about it going down and never coming back... [11:19] infinity: There's a debian bug about it too. === chand| [n=rsamson@linagoraberri.pck.nerim.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:20] http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=415124 [11:20] Debian bug 415124 in mysql-server "transitional package mysql-server stops server in preinst" [Normal,Open] [11:21] "At least I guess that it's not a grave issue as it's unlikely that [11:21] mysql-server gets upgraded at a different time than mysql-server-5.0." [11:21] I'm inclined to agree with that, from an "is this RC" perspective... [11:21] But it should be fixed, yes. [11:21] At least Ubuntu doesn't have a "we-only-fix-grave-bugs" policy :) === zyga [n=zyga@ubuntu/member/zyga] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] I could just toss a version check in the preinst, so we only bother with upgrade magic if upgrading from an ancient MySQL. === Zdra [n=zdra@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:22] That's what I'm doing, too. [11:22] soren: We have no such policy, but we certainly do have a policy that looks a lot like that as we approach release. :) [11:22] infinity: But if you do it in Debian, that's even better. [11:23] soren: I prefer not to diverge from Debian with MySQL. The few times I did, it became a headache almost instantly, which is why I joined the Debina MySQL team in the first place, to keep us in sync. :) [11:23] doko: libquicktime-dev has the same problem === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:23] infinity: Oh, I thought you were on the team since the dawn of time. [11:24] doko: I think the dependency can just be dropped, it was probably due to .la files in libdv-dev [11:24] soren: Didn't have commit access until 2 years ago or so. Had plenty of code in the packages since 3.23 or so, but never bothered to "join a team". [11:24] soren: Team maintenance is a reasonably new concept in Debian, after all. :) [11:24] infinity: Ah, right. [11:25] soren: (New, from the point of view of someone who's been contributing for a decade) [11:25] infinity: So... You'll fix it in Debian? === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:25] soren: Yeah. I shall. [11:26] soren: And then I'll just sync. [11:26] soren: After this candidate release, that is... This bug isn't RC. :) === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:27] infinity: Sure, sure. [11:27] infinity: Thanks! [11:27] soren: I do have the attention span of a gnat on speed, though. Can you mail me a reminder, so I get around to uploading to Debian later today? === torkel [i=torkel@ip64.degernas.se] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:29] infinity: Sure. Would assigning the Ubuntu bug to you be sufficient, or would you rather have "regular" e-mail? [11:30] pitti: fixed [11:30] soren: Real email. My Malone bugmail can get lost in the flood off.... Ohter Malone bugmail. [11:30] infinity: Just as I thought. :) [11:32] infinity: done [11:33] seb128: I'm experiencing a lot of hangs when starting the sessions on live CD and installed systems; did you notice them, too? [11:33] seb128: I'm starting to blame esd again, as soon as I killed it it continued to start [11:33] seb128: (the other half is compiz/mesa/aiglx crashing kernel) [11:34] happened a few minutes ago on my laptop, desktop applications were frozen [11:34] killing esd make them work again [11:34] but that was after suspend, I don't think it happened on boot [11:35] did we have any esound patch before? [11:35] no, esound didn't change for ages [11:36] there is a new version which has been uploaded not too long ago and the update has been made by one of the new contributors [11:36] well, it did [11:36] I'm just wondering if a patch might have been dropped or something [11:37] seb128: I have to look === minghua [n=minghua@ubuntu/member/minghua] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:39] seb128: erk, indeed; current version does not have *any* ubuntu patches [11:39] grrr [11:40] throw it out ! [11:41] ogra: fixing libgnome is not *that* trivial, but it's still on my wishlist [11:41] ++ [11:41] there was this patch back then :) [11:41] ogra: oh? [11:42] seb128, what was the bug # for the gstreamer patch ? [11:42] Hobbsee: freeze exception for a new livecd-rootfs to make Xubuntu builds happy? [11:42] pitti, its for an old version [11:42] ogra: hm, I hoped for something simple, like using aplay or so [11:42] Hobbsee: (Doesn't touch anything but Xubuntu) [11:42] not sure it would work with recet libgnome [11:42] infinity: go ahead (Hobbsee is on phone, and we need that urgently) [11:42] and it was never completely finished [11:42] pitti: Well, I could have approved it myself too, I was trying to use proper channels. :P === mdke_ [n=matt@ubuntu/member/mdke] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:43] infinity: I still have an RM hat :) [11:43] pitti: So do I. :) [11:44] pitti: did we use to have ubuntu patches to esound? [11:45] seb128: yes, we did [11:45] seb128: one was the mutex to fix the session start hang [11:45] ah [11:45] seb128: I'll reapply them now [11:45] ok, thanks [11:45] what a mess... [11:46] dholbach: I think it's you who sponsored the update, do you know if there was a reason to the change? [11:47] pitti: Uploaded. I may go for a smoke, want to make sure it's accepted before the hour? [11:47] infinity: yep, will [11:47] thank you [11:48] doko: weird change for libquicktime-dev; can't the glib dependency be dropped entirely? [11:49] :q [11:49] whoops [11:49] pitti: didn't look too close ... [11:49] And when that fails to kill IRC... [11:49] :q! [11:49] :q!!!! [11:49] :argh! [11:50] (And I believe I've just described ever new vi user's first experience....) === pitti disables focus-follows-inadvertent-mouse-movement === soren -> lunch === |cerbero| [n=jga@pD9E6367A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-devel === thekorn_ [n=thekorn@130.75.237.33] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:54] Well, so much for the theory that eating something hot for dinner would warm me up. [11:55] seb128: oh dear, the Debian patches to this are a mess as well... === jinty [n=jinty@84.78.183.65] has joined #ubuntu-devel [11:59] Oh, wow, I spelled "gutsy" correctly on that upload. I'm learning. [12:00] seb128: no, I don't know - sorry [12:00] (I could have an entire maildir dedicated to "rejects of uploads to gusty") [12:01] infinity: trust vim's highlighting :) [12:02] infinity: that's why you run gutsy - so you never have to type it [12:03] Yeah, I'm offended by the new behaviour of dch, to be honest. [12:03] The old "use the last dist in the changelog" behaviour was much saner for my workflow. [12:03] Since I develop in chroots, but use helper tools in the base system. [12:04] I can't be alone in that, but I can't be bothered to argue the point either. [12:04] infinity: I'm with you on that one. === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:16] stgraber: can you please invalidate the ubuntu and edubuntu lives and alternates? we need to fix bug 21915 [12:16] Launchpad bug 21915 in esound "esound causes desktop session to hang" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/21915 [12:16] ogra: ^ actually, why do you still install esound by default? I thought you were using pulse now? [12:16] pitti, gnome-session dep [12:16] pitti: i should be able to do that [12:17] ogra: edubuntu-desktop pulls it in, too [12:17] oh, i'll drop that [12:17] ogra: and no, gnome-session does not depend on it [12:17] it did [12:17] something in there did at least [12:18] ogra: hm, it B-deps on esound; how weird [12:18] we're waiting for the livefs tools anyway, dont we ? [12:18] dependencies are just ubuntu- and edubuntu-desktop and ... system-config-cluster??? [12:18] i can quickly fix the seeds [12:18] ogra: just for xubuntu [12:18] ah [12:18] ogra: yeah, that might be even more beneficial to you [12:18] pitti: feh yes :(( one gnome python module pulls esound in indirectly [12:18] ogra: if you can upload a new edubuntu-meta quickly? [12:18] pitti: it is used but no Depends: [12:19] fabbione: shouldn't it just depend on libesd? [12:19] pitti: i can personally drop it is system-config-cluster even now.. but somebody needs to fix pysomething [12:19] fabbione: don't worry about it for now [12:19] pitti: let me check [12:19] pitti: sure [12:19] fabbione: for tribe-3 I'll reapply the esound fix [12:19] Fix pysomething hrm? [12:19] in the future we should really get rid of it, though [12:19] pitti: it's something i meant to look at but always forgot [12:21] pitti: ok, they are now disabled, ping me when the new ones are available [12:22] Riddell: My hammer appears to have been applied successfully... Overriding to universe and accepting the binaries. [12:22] pitti: looks like the python module has been fixed. i can drop the Depends at the next upload [12:22] pitti: if you want i can do it right away [12:23] your call === cassidy [n=cassidy@81.187.73.203] has joined #ubuntu-devel [12:23] fabbione: sure, it doesn't affect the CDs (or does it affect server?) [12:23] infinity: thanks [12:23] fabbione: uploading is always fine, btw [12:23] pitti: it should not affect CD's [12:24] esound uploaded === seb128 hugs pitti [12:24] that was quick [12:24] seb128: well, only the two critical patches to fix the session hang [12:25] seb128: 98% of the diff are still missing :/ [12:25] pitti: done [12:25] seb128: but instead of investing a large amount of work there, I'd rather spend it on libgnome TBH [12:25]