[06:17] <foxbuntu> evening superm1
[06:17] <foxbuntu> superm1, hows it going?
[06:21] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, what are the chances of PPC mythbuntu?
[06:32] <foxxbuntu> PPC?
[06:32] <foxxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, you pervert
[06:32] <foxxbuntu> :P
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> Childish
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> You should see the size of my Hard Drive
[06:33] <tgm4883_laptop> it's a good thing I got rid of my 3 1/2 inch floppy
[06:33] <foxxbuntu> lol
[06:34] <foxxbuntu> ok, what is your HDD cap?
[06:35] <tgm4883_laptop> nah, i only have 80Gb here, 160 on my desktop, 400 on my mythtv box and 700Gb on my server
[06:36] <foxxbuntu> oh
[06:36] <foxxbuntu> I dont have a server to add the extra space in yet
[06:36] <tgm4883_laptop> once .21 comes out though, watch out
[06:36] <foxxbuntu> lol
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> Im running 520 on an LVM on my myth box
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> HD?
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> yea
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> oh
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> not HD
[06:37] <tgm4883_laptop> lol
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> analog
[06:37] <foxxbuntu> yea
[06:38] <foxxbuntu> it blows
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> i agree
[06:38] <foxxbuntu> around here HD is crap anyways
[06:38] <tgm4883_laptop> where at?
[06:39] <foxxbuntu> ia
[06:39] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[06:40] <foxxbuntu> pretty much stuck with crap ass cable or really crappy dish
[06:40] <foxxbuntu> and OTA
[06:42] <foxxbuntu> and I am waiting until I finish working on my house to get a really big ass TV to go HD
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> HD rocks, blows analog away.  (dont get me started on the "Next Gen" DVD formats though)
[06:44] <tgm4883_laptop> Really depends on what you want to watch though
[06:44] <foxxbuntu> oh I know
[06:45] <foxxbuntu> I am however about to add a 32" LCD to my collection, and build a frontend for it with HDMI
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[06:45] <tgm4883_laptop> 32 is a good size
[06:45] <foxxbuntu> yea
[06:45] <foxxbuntu> I found a good price on one too
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> $599 for a hyundai
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> 720p
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> with dual HDMI in
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> my brother has a 92in projection screen, its ok for movies and such, but i couldn't imagine watching everything on that
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> and a built in ATSC/QAM tuner
[06:46] <tgm4883_laptop> nice
[06:46] <foxxbuntu> yea
[06:47] <tgm4883_laptop> good price, i have a 37in vizio that I think was about 800
[06:47] <foxxbuntu> yea
[06:48] <foxxbuntu> I am wall mounting this one, so 32 is all the bigger we can do
[06:48] <foxxbuntu> I can do*
[06:48] <tgm4883_laptop> oh yea, wall mounting is nice
[06:48] <foxxbuntu> lol
[06:53] <foxxbuntu> tgm4883_laptop, how long you had that Vizio TV?
[06:53] <tgm4883_laptop> since january
[06:53] <foxxbuntu> you liking it?
[06:54] <tgm4883_laptop> its pretty nice, quick response time, colors look good.  Only complaint is the volume from the mythbox to the tv, but im not sure if thats the tv or the mythbox
[06:55] <foxxbuntu> oh
[06:55] <foxxbuntu> I had that with my myth too for a bit, but then found out it was my cable box
[06:56] <foxxbuntu> volume on it got turned way down somehow so the recordins where all reall quite
[06:56] <tgm4883_laptop> everything is quiet.  I ended up outputing sound from the tv to a stereo
[06:57] <foxxbuntu> hmm
[06:57] <foxxbuntu> strange
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> oh one more thing, the volume i noticed from 0 to 50 had pretty good range, but from 50 to 100 didn't seem to increase as much.
[06:58] <foxxbuntu> odd
[06:58] <tgm4883_laptop> yep
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> I dont know if it's a feature of the tv or what, but when I turn off my mythbox, the tv shuts off
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> its hooked up through vga
[06:59] <tgm4883_laptop> i suppose its just detecting the signal
[06:59] <foxxbuntu> well, I worked for Best Buy a long time back, and one thing I learned is it the store brand or generic electronics usually are crap, but sometimes they are just a rebranded version of the higher end stuff
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> yea, i read somewhere that the vizio's are rebranded
[07:00] <tgm4883_laptop> let me see if i can find that again
[07:00] <foxxbuntu> k
[07:01] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, very possible
[07:01] <superm1> only problem is on most ppc machines, xorg doesn't properly autoconfigure
[07:15] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, just had somebody asking about it in the forums
[07:16] <tgm4883_laptop> you know how I love those forums
[07:16] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, can you ask them if a standard ubuntu disk works?
[07:16] <superm1> on their machines?
[07:16] <tgm4883_laptop> sure
[07:27] <yigal> hey what is a cheap card for a desktop that will work with mythtv?  I have an old system p4 1.7ghz 1.25gb ram  nvidia fx 5200 graphics card
[07:27] <yigal> i just want to watch cable, and if possible record a show now and then
[07:34] <superm1> well whats your definition of cheap?
[07:35] <superm1> across the board - i'd say go hauppauge pvr-150 for the cheaper variant, or pvr-500 if you wanted to spend a few and get two tuners
[07:36] <yigal> superm1: ill check it out
[07:37] <yigal> superm1: the 150 is for $72 at newegg, sounds good
[07:38] <yigal> superm1: i just want to make sure it is compatible with linux
[07:38] <superm1> yes it is
[07:38] <yigal> superm1: good
[07:38] <yigal> superm1: im making the order now then
[07:38] <superm1> great.  its supported out of the box on feisty and later
[07:39] <superm1> earlier releases you'll have to install a driver
[07:39] <yigal> superm1: no problem if its just a driver
[07:39] <yigal> superm1: im using Feisty and Deb unstable
[12:09] <DaveMorris> superm1: when you wake up, you got time to package a lib I found if it meets the criteria, if not I'll package it up for my own use (but I prob do them wrong and not the ubuntu way)
[12:54] <jeffcster> does anyine have time to answer a couple of mythbuntu questions?
[12:55] <laga> probably
[12:55] <jeffcster> I was wondering how I can get to a terminal window. I can't seem to find the right keystrokes or a way to do it.
[12:56] <laga> jeffcster: are you logged in as your normal user?
[12:58] <jeffcster> this is my first time to freenode so not really a normal user to irc
[12:58] <laga> no, i was talking about your mythbuntu box. do you see mythfrontend now or do you see the administration desktop?
[01:00] <jeffcster> it  logs in as mythtv user and goes to the main myth screen autimatically. I did manager to log in to the administration screen last night.
[01:01] <laga> jeffcster: jsut exit mythfrontend and log in to the administration screen. then you can right-click and start  a terminal
[01:03] <jeffcster> ok! thanks so much.  My last question is about recordings. I have 2 hard drives on my system and mythbuntu was set up on the 40gig drive. I want to save recordings to the 120gig drive. What is the easiest way to accomplish that?
[01:03] <laga> hum
[01:03] <laga> you wait till 0.21 is released :P
[01:04] <laga> or you use this script as an user job: http://svn.mythtv.org/trac/browser/branches/release-0-20-fixes/mythtv/contrib/myth_archive_job.pl
[01:11] <jeffcster> ok, I'll look this over. thank you for your time. :-)
[01:12] <laga> no problem :)
[01:12] <laga> 2007-07-18 13:12:24.796 RingBuf(/GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/3009_2007071801200
[01:13] <laga> 0.mpg): Could not open /GetPlaybackURL/UNABLE/TO/FIND/LOCAL/FILE/ON/screwless/3009_20070718012000.mpg.
[01:13] <laga> oops, sorry. wrong window.
[01:18] <DaveMorris> jeffcster: mount the 2nd dive on something like /recordings
[01:18] <DaveMorris> then in myttv-setup set the path for recordings to /recordings
[01:19] <DaveMorris> then all of your recordings go onto the larger disk,
[01:20] <laga> hum
[01:20] <jeffcster> Dave,  that is sort of how my friend said to do it but he siad I would need to re mount each time I rebooted the machine. right?
[01:20] <laga> i assumed you wanted to use both drives ;)
[01:21] <Kenz1> hey
[01:21] <Kenz1> any news on the usbstick/ install brainstorm?
[01:22] <laga> i haven't tried it yet ;)
[01:24] <DaveMorris> jeffcster: not if you stick the detials into the fstab. /etc/fstab
[01:27] <jeffcster> DaveMorris: ok. I'll have to try that later and see how it works.  I'm assuming your saying to make a directory called recordings on the bigger drive and then just point mythtv to it. That correct?  well you can answer me after lunch. thanks.
[02:22] <DaveMorris> make a dir called recordings on your root filesystem - sudo mkdir /recordings
[02:22] <DaveMorris> mount the 2nd hdd onto this dir                                - sudo mount /dev/sdb1 /recordings
[02:22] <DaveMorris> use mythtv-setup to tell it to record to /recordings
[02:22] <DaveMorris> edit /etc/fstab to auto mount the 2nd drive              - sudo gedit /etc/fstab
[02:22] <DaveMorris> adding -  /dev/sdb1       /recordings     xfs     defaults        0       3
[02:22] <DaveMorris> I'd also reommend using the xfs filesystem instead of ext3 on the 2nd drive, as it better for large files - sudo mkfs.xfs /dev/sdb1
[02:22] <DaveMorris> jeffcster: ^^
[02:28] <jeffcster> DaveMorris: thanks that makes it very clear. :)
[02:29] <DaveMorris> it'll be in the manual for release, as its the setup I'd recommended
[02:29] <DaveMorris> since mythtv seems to eat disks due to constantly writing/deleting large files
[02:29] <laga> jeffcster: mind you, mkfs.xfs will delete anything on that drive ;)
[02:29] <laga> or let's say partition
[02:30] <jeffcster> that's fine, there is nothing on the disk I need anyway. :)
[02:30] <DaveMorris> yeah, your partions might be wrong, and wrong disks etc
[02:43] <DaveMorris> Daviey: what do I need to buy to allow me to use IR remotes via a usb/serial connection?
[03:07] <SalvaConNome> hi to all
[03:12] <laga> hi
[03:45] <rogue780> Howdy!
[03:46] <DaveMorris> afternoon
[03:53] <SalvaConNome> hi to all
[03:56] <SalvaConNome> Can i make an ot question?
[03:56] <SalvaConNome> for dvb-s
[04:00] <DaveMorris> sure, however I've not used dvb-s before
[04:04] <SalvaConNome> hi dave
[04:04] <SalvaConNome> do you know sasc--ng?
[04:07] <DaveMorris> afraid not, I'm in Europe so I just know dvb
[04:08] <SalvaConNome> ok thanks
[04:08] <DaveMorris> however I'm guessing superm1 will be up soon
[04:08] <DaveMorris> and he'll know
[04:08] <SalvaConNome> thanks
[04:09] <SalvaConNome> i'll wait
[04:10] <foxbuntu> :P
[04:11] <laga> gah
[04:11] <laga> now he's gone
[04:11] <laga> DaveMorris: sasc-ng is a "softcam"
[04:12] <DaveMorris> and how do you use it?
[04:24] <superm1> man i had a hard time sleeping.  i had this dream someone kept yelling for me :)
[04:24] <superm1> what's up?
[04:24] <laga> well, my point was that it's usually illegal and often used for illegal things ;)
[04:25] <superm1> ah a softcam
[04:25] <superm1> okay
[04:32] <foxbuntu> superm1, what was the name of that irish beer?
[04:34] <laga> guiness, kilkenny?
[04:34] <foxbuntu> naw
[04:34] <foxbuntu> its made by guiness though
[04:34] <foxbuntu> its and irish ale
[04:36] <superm1> oh Smithwicks
[04:37] <foxbuntu> yes
[04:37] <foxbuntu> was gonna try to find it, but couldnt remember the name
[04:37] <foxbuntu> superm1, I bought a truck last night
[04:37] <superm1> another one?
[04:38] <foxbuntu> well same one
[04:38] <foxbuntu> brought it home
[04:38] <superm1> why would you pay for the same truck twice?
[04:38] <foxbuntu> hmm
[04:38] <foxbuntu> why did i indeed?
[04:39] <superm1> did you get a high quality truck for 2x the cost of a low quality truck then?
[04:41] <superm1> :)
[04:41] <foxbuntu> on that front
[04:41] <foxbuntu> I may have found a way to not parse the entire file out
[04:42] <superm1> to not?
[04:42] <foxbuntu> pyparsing allows you to do dictionaries, so I can just look for Vol+ and have it know that its VolumeUp
[04:43] <foxbuntu> ect ect
[04:43] <superm1> right, you can make a dictionary of such items and easily run each thing through that dictionary
[04:43] <superm1> understood
[04:43] <foxbuntu> then I will just use the results to insert the function into the lircrc
[04:44] <foxbuntu> so there will be a premade lircrc to use, and I will add a preset of replacement words like VolUpIns = Volup
[04:44] <foxbuntu> or whatever it is in the lircrc
[04:44] <superm1> premade eh
[04:45] <superm1> what if the remote doesn't support some buttons in the premade lircrc
[04:45] <foxbuntu> and then have pyparsing look for the ins word and replace with the found dic language
[04:45] <foxbuntu> well I am only going to program for required buttons
[04:46] <foxbuntu> 0-9 Guide, Play, Pause, ect
[04:46] <foxbuntu> everything else the user will be on their own
[04:46] <superm1> well in a first iteration that will be fine
[04:46] <superm1> but that will have to be improved upon
[04:46] <foxbuntu> thats fine
[04:47] <foxbuntu> but to get things rolling thats the way I think I will handle it
[04:47] <foxbuntu> then we can drop a patch in there later as I get better with pyton
[04:50] <foxbuntu> I am slowing picking the programing stuff backup
[04:50] <foxbuntu> I had lost alot of the basic concepts since I hadn't wrote anything in like 3 years
[04:51] <foxbuntu> and even then it wasnt much
[04:51] <superm1> well keep on trucking along :)
[04:51] <superm1> DaveMorris, are you here?
[04:52] <superm1> DaveMorris, http://mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/mythbuntu-live-autostart/
[04:53] <superm1> that's where i'm headed with the autostart so you can get an idea of what it will be looking like before i've got it in and fully functional
[04:53] <DaveMorris> I'll take a look
[04:54] <DaveMorris> btw how can a use configure wireless ?
[04:54] <superm1> there is no easy way right now
[04:54] <superm1> there is a manual method you can do
[04:54] <superm1> but we'll need something better than that likely
[04:54] <foxbuntu> superm1, nice
[04:55] <superm1> foxbuntu, i've got the python backend for it coded, it's just a matter of binding everything to the gui i built now :)
[04:55] <foxbuntu> that will save allot of pain for users
[04:57] <superm1> well its going to be something only applicable for a live disk
[04:57] <superm1> to add more functionality in live mode
[04:58] <foxbuntu> oh
[04:58] <foxbuntu> gotcha
[04:58] <foxbuntu> well either way
[04:58] <foxbuntu> nice work
[04:58] <superm1> thx.  i'll be back in a bit
[04:59] <rogue780> ZOMG!
[05:00] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:04] <foxbuntu> rogue780, what did you do?
[05:30] <rogue780> foxbuntu, I configured my mythbox so that whenever the twilight zone is on tv the lights in my computer room will flicker on and off
[05:30] <rogue780> behold! the power of the transistor and the parallel port@
[05:30] <rogue780> !
[05:32] <superm1> rogue780, maybe you need to put a few moments more towards artwork :)
[05:34] <rogue780> lol. maybe. I'll admit I've hit a setback...I'm still trying to figure out SVG and such. the GIMP is much easier
[05:37] <superm1> do you know what ever happened with riku ?
[05:38] <superm1> that other guy who had the pretty nice exapmles?
[05:40] <rogue780> not a clue. to be honest once he sent those over I kinda gave up a little too...they were (IMO) *perfect*
[05:40] <superm1> haha
[05:41] <superm1> well i'll send an email out the mailing list and see if he responds.  he is subscribed
[05:41] <foxbuntu> superm1, rogue780, (IMO) mine were crap
[05:41] <superm1> if he doesn't respond, then I say you, dave johnson, and foxbuntu just take where he started from those and keep going
[05:41] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:41] <rogue780> rgr that
[05:41] <superm1> there are still plenty of other UI related things that need cleanup
[05:41] <superm1> like the gtk theme
[05:42] <superm1> for sure
[05:42] <foxbuntu> oh yea
[05:42] <foxbuntu> that
[05:42] <foxbuntu> lol
[05:42] <foxbuntu> I will look into that when I have a moment
[05:42] <rogue780> superm1, FYI I'm still trying to buy a house. now I'm sifting through all my files trying to find my tax documents for the last 3 years. argh...
[05:43] <foxbuntu> yikes
[05:43] <foxbuntu> thats alot of work to buy a house
[05:43] <foxbuntu> I didn't have that much trouble
[05:44] <rogue780> yeah, well it takes a bit of work when you want Maryland to pay most of your closing costs
[05:45] <rogue780> We've got almost no cash so we're getting grants...and that takes a bit extra work unfortunately
[05:45] <foxbuntu> hmm
[05:45] <foxbuntu> I bought mine at 0 down
[05:45] <foxbuntu> I actually paid nothing to move in
[05:45] <foxbuntu> no grants
[05:45] <rogue780> And the rent we're paying for military housing is about $300 more/month than this home is with twice the sq/footage
[05:46] <foxbuntu> ah
[05:46] <rogue780> on the 31st when we close the deal we'll actually be getting about $400 in credit back which we'll put towards the principle
[05:46] <foxbuntu> kewl
[05:46] <rogue780> foxbuntu, you didn't use that carlton sheets method did ye?
[05:47] <foxbuntu> I got the sellers to pay the closing costs on my house plus the first yr's insurance and a few other things
[05:47] <foxbuntu> I just played the numbers to get the house at my price but made it look like the sellers were getting their price
[05:48] <foxbuntu> I offered them only a little below the price of the house but then had them pay closing and actual costs to a certian percent
[05:48] <rogue780> nice. unfortunately for us Maryland has just transferred from a sellers market to a buyers market....but a lot of sellers don't realize it yet. the seller is paying $1,500 in closing, we're getting $5,800 from MD and my realtor is giving a $1,800 credit
[05:48] <foxbuntu> kewl
[05:48] <rogue780> we're getting it for $175k the list price was $179,900
[05:49] <foxbuntu> yea...Iowa is a buyers market right now too, has been for about 10 months now
[05:50] <foxbuntu> its been a depressed market here for a while
[05:50] <rogue780> Colorado is a great place to buy right now. possibly best in the country.  I kinda wish I were there, you can get houses for dirt cheap especially around colorado springs
[05:52] <rogue780> superm1, have you considered switching to #mythbuntu at all?
[05:52] <superm1> rogue780, considered it, but it's so much trouble
[05:52] <superm1> it was hard enough to get a lot of the things in this channel active
[05:52] <superm1> ubotu, ubuntulog, controlling the topic, channelserv
[05:53] <superm1> next time Ompaul is around, maybe can request #mythbuntu to redirect here
[05:53] <rogue780> I'm in #mythbuntu ... have been for a while with tgm4883. I put in the topic to come here
[05:54] <superm1> ah i see :)
[05:54] <rogue780> a lot of people were going there instead of here to ask questions
[05:54] <superm1> oh
[05:54] <superm1> good call then
[05:54] <laga> that's great
[05:54] <laga> ;)
[05:55] <rogue780> well, I'm off to see a man about a dog. adios
[05:55] <superm1> cya
[05:56] <tgm4883> superm1, I asked that guy about the live disk and ppc
[05:56] <superm1> and what'd he say?
[05:56] <tgm4883> aparently there isn't a live disk for it
[05:56] <superm1> for PPC
[05:56] <superm1> yes there is
[05:56] <superm1> my roomate ran it
[05:57] <tgm4883> but I have a buddy that has a mac in the #ubuntu-oregon, so when he gets on i'll ask him if his is ppc
[05:57] <tgm4883> ill also send the guy a link to the live disk
[05:57] <superm1> the problem with my roomate's emac was that it wouldn't detect X properly
[05:57] <superm1> the timing is very very finicky on those monitors
[05:57] <superm1> and you need to pull it from the edid, which isn't done automatically
[06:07] <superm1> Hi PhilKC
[06:07] <PhilKC> Mornin'
[06:08] <superm1> we've had a few folks headed over to #mythbuntu for questions regarding mythbuntu, but since it's the same guys (us) working on ubuntu for mythtv or mythbuntu, it would be easier if they just redirected here
[06:10] <DaveMorris> there is a #mythbuntu
[06:11] <superm1> DaveMorris, as rogue780 and tgm4883 pointed out, people have been headed over there (i had no idea)
[06:28] <tgm4883> I guess its fixed then
[06:29] <tgm4883>  What language is this?
[06:29] <nalioth>  #ubuntu-cn  #ubuntu-tw   #ubuntu-hk
[06:30] <nalioth> who knows?
[06:30] <superm1> PhilKC, it appears to be active now, not sure if it was you or nalioth that got it taken care of, but thanks :)
[06:30] <tgm4883> nalioth
[06:31] <superm1> ah did he join #mythbuntu and let you guys know?
[06:31] <tgm4883> not exactly
[06:32] <tgm4883> * nalioth (i=nalioth@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.nalioth) has joined #mythbuntu
[06:32] <tgm4883> * nalioth sets mode +P #mythbuntu
[06:32] <tgm4883> * nalioth sets mode +m #mythbuntu
[06:32] <tgm4883> * nalioth sets mode +i #mythbuntu
[06:32] <tgm4883> * nalioth sets mode +f #mythbuntu #ubuntu-mythtv
[06:32] <tgm4883> * nalioth has kicked rogue780 from #mythbuntu (nalioth)
[06:32] <tgm4883> * You have been kicked from #mythbuntu by nalioth (nalioth)
[06:32] <tgm4883> Dang it
[06:32] <tgm4883> !pastebin
[06:32] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[06:32] <tgm4883> i always forget
[06:33] <superm1> ah okay
[06:33] <tgm4883> there is also a #mythbuntu-dev channel, but i dont think anyone usually goes there.  You would have to ask rogue780
[06:33] <superm1> man when did all these channels get made?
[06:33] <superm1> were they registered?
[06:33] <tgm4883> no
[06:33] <tgm4883> just joined
[06:34] <tgm4883> just like #superm1isthecoolest
[06:34] <superm1> haha
[06:34] <tgm4883> sorry buddy, you only have 1 fan
[06:40] <foxbuntu> what about #foxbunturocksyourworld ?
[06:44] <tgm4883> thats even worse, you have 0 fans
[06:52] <foxbuntu> ahh
[07:28] <seabag> hey everyone
[07:28] <seabag> does anyone here have the hauppauge PCI pvr 150 mce?
[07:29] <superm1> Yes
[07:29] <superm1> well i've got a 500, but its the same thing as 2 150s
[07:29] <superm1> what's your trouble?
[07:32] <superm1> seabag, ^?
[07:35] <seabag> well,
[07:36] <seabag> i put my pc to sleep and after waking it up from either suspend or hibernate, the card doesn't respond.
[07:36] <seabag> (sorry i was typin something just now :)
[07:37] <superm1> have you tried to unload and reload the ivtv modules before/after suspend
[07:37] <seabag> hm no i haven't. how do i do that?
[07:37] <superm1> edit /etc/default/acpi-support
[07:38] <superm1> and add ivtv to the lists of MODULES
[07:38] <superm1> that are unloaded and reloaded
[07:38] <superm1> additionally, you might need to unload some of the components that ivtv loads, saa7134 and a few others
[07:38] <superm1> but try with just ivtv for now
[07:39] <seabag> ok hangon i'll try it!!
[07:40] <superm1> keescook, I assembled a patch that should handle parsing the /dev/v4l/by-id directory last night, when do you think you will have the udev rule in so i can test with it?
[07:41] <keescook> superm1: it's on my list, but it requires more than a rule update -- the "path_id" helper scripts needs updated too.  bleh.
[07:41] <superm1> yick
[07:41] <superm1> okay
[07:41] <superm1> well whenever it's in, ping me and i'll play with the patch to make sure things work as expected
[07:41] <keescook> let me finish it up so you can test with it.  I need to run it by the udev maintainer just so he doesn't slap me in the head for doing something dumb.  :)
[07:42] <superm1> of course :)
[07:42] <superm1> one thing that i had thought of though, if you have two of the same device, they do have the same pci id
[07:42] <superm1> don't they?
[07:43] <keescook> pci id yes, but not pci _path_.  (i.e. bus, slot, etc)
[07:43] <superm1> right, that would make sense
[07:43] <superm1> g'afternoon mkrufky
[07:44] <mkrufky> hello superm1
[07:45] <superm1> mkrufky, there are other pieces of firmware that can be obtained via the script shipped with the kernel from various places.  Do you know if an effort to get these other pieces into the ubuntu packge would be worthwhile?
[07:45] <superm1> or the licenses on said pieces will forbade such things
[07:46] <mkrufky> superm1: i have been trying, VERY HARD to get those firmware images into ubuntu
[07:46] <mkrufky> and i, apparently, did the wrong thing up till now
[07:46] <superm1> well someone within the mythbuntu team was going to do a python app for grabbing firmware for devices
[07:47] <superm1> if they weren't going to be making it into the kernel for gutsy
[07:47] <mkrufky> ..... for example, Launchpad Bug #90723
[07:47] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 90723 in linux-source-2.6.22 "Please include bluebird firmware for dvb-usb devices" [Wishlist,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/90723
[07:47] <mkrufky> *I* released that firmware image to the public
[07:47] <mkrufky> and i'd love it if ubuntu would package it
[07:47] <seabag> aha!! well i added ivtv and it wakes up the card now! but, i may need to add some of those others too, because the card doesn't actually show anything.
[07:47] <superm1> great seabag :)
[07:48] <seabag> saa7134, and any others you recommend?
[07:48] <mkrufky> no python app necessary -- we have linux/Documentation/dvb/get_dvb_firmware inside the kernel source
[07:48] <superm1> mkrufky, given that you had released that firmware, that's pretty shocking.  i would worry about the other not 'public domain' pieces
[07:48] <mkrufky> dont you think i should start with my own?
[07:48] <superm1> mkrufky, right, but something more 'user' friendly pygtk ish
[07:48] <superm1> was the goal
[07:48] <superm1> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/mythbuntu/+spec/firmware-finder
[07:49] <superm1> seabag, look at dmesg, you'll see between the START IVTV and END IVTV blocks
[07:49] <superm1> what was loaded
[07:50] <mkrufky> what do you want to know about saa7134, seabag ?
[07:50] <seabag> superml, where is dmesg located?
[07:50] <seabag> mkrufky, well basically my pvr 150mce pci won't wake up after suspend, so i'm in acpi-support trying to get it to wake the card up
[07:51] <mkrufky> superm1: is that script going to read the firmware dependencies the same way that modinfo does?
[07:51] <superm1> seabag, if you type 'dmesg | tac | sed -n '/=\ \ END INIT IVTV\ \ =/,/= START INIT IVTV =/p;/= START INIT IVTV =/q' | tac'  in a terminal you will get the information i'm referring to
[07:51] <superm1> without the starting and ending ' of course
[07:51] <superm1> mkrufky, well it was going to be initially just against a db of known firmware
[07:52] <seabag> and in acpi-support i should separate them like this?   MODULES= "ivtv","saa", "foo"
[07:52] <superm1> starting from get_dvb_firmware, and other things not listed i nit
[07:52] <pepsiman> keescook: how can I find the cause of bug 97599?
[07:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 97599 in mythplugins "MythWeb sessions no longer working" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/97599
[07:52] <superm1> seabag, in acpi-source it would be like this MODULES=" ivtv saa7134 " etc
[07:52] <mkrufky> superm1: the page you pointed me to says that it's going to look for required firmware based on subsystem id
[07:52] <seabag> ohh gotcha. i tried "foo, bar" and that didn't work... ok
[07:53] <mkrufky> superm1: so, im suggesting also to compare against the loaded module's modinfo output for firmware depency
[07:53] <keescook> pepsiman: not sure.  I suspect someone will need to do some kind of VMware install of edgy and do the upgrade, if there are no clues in the apache logs
[07:53] <mkrufky> dependency
[07:53] <superm1> would the module be loading though if the firmware wasn't present
[07:53] <superm1> or would it just provide an error
[07:53] <mkrufky> module would load with an error
[07:53] <pepsiman> keescook: what's it got to do with apache?  mythweb works fine except for the session stuff
[07:54] <keescook> pepsiman: ah, perhaps I misunderstood.  what's is the problem you're seeing?
[07:54] <pepsiman> "MythWeb doesn't remember recorded program sort order, upcoming recordings display settings, etc."
[07:55] <superm1> this sounds like a bug that was reported a bit back
[07:55] <keescook> yeah, I must have totally misunderstood it.  Can you add some details on what you'd expect and what happens to that bug report?
[07:55] <pepsiman> I reported it in March
[07:55] <superm1> mkrufky, i see okay
[07:56] <superm1> but the more firmware that gets into the kernel, the less of a need for this spec in the first place
[07:56] <mkrufky> superm1: even still -- you dont need the module to be loaded --  you can cross ref the subsystem ids against the module tables, and then just use modinfo without even having to load the module
[07:56] <mkrufky> firmware doesnt "get into the kernel"
[07:56] <superm1> well kernel package :)
[07:57] <superm1> ship "with" the kernel
[07:57] <mkrufky> ok, thats better :-) ...
[08:00] <pepsiman> keescook: done
[08:01] <seabag> ok superml, i did the dmesg tac and the response shows ivtv, ivtv0, sda, etc... i don't even see the saa7134
[08:01] <seabag> * superm1
[08:03] <superm1> seabag, you sould have seen cx25840, wmv 8775, tunre, tveeprom,
[08:03] <superm1> and probably a few others
[08:04] <seabag> ah ok i see those. toss 'em all i n?
[08:04] <superm1> as long as nothing else is using them, it wouldn't hurt
[08:04] <superm1> you can check with lsmod
[08:05] <seabag> gotcha. brb!
[08:08] <superm1> DaveMorris, did you ever submit bug 83884 upstream?
[08:08] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 83884 in mythplugins "Mythfrontend crashes after MythMusic completes a music database scan" [Undecided,Incomplete]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/83884
[08:09] <seabag> superm1, stupid question but should i include sda, usb, tuner...?
[08:09] <superm1> No don't use those first two
[08:09] <superm1> tuner is fine
[08:09] <DaveMorris> poss not, I've been kinda sleeping on that job
[08:10] <superm1> well it needs a backtrace first anyway
[08:10] <superm1> but if that mp3 file on the tracker can reproduce it, a backtrace is easy to make
[08:10] <DaveMorris> if I had it'll be added to the bug report
[08:10] <seabag> mkay
[08:10] <DaveMorris> did you guys sort out those apport stack traces
[08:10] <DaveMorris> ?
[08:11] <superm1> oh right.  i had forgotten about that spec
[08:11] <superm1> laga, once you finish up the trunk packaging lets sort that out okay?
[08:21] <seabag> superm1, still same as before. mplayer /dev/video0 shows up now but still blank window
[08:21] <superm1> seabag, did you restart after the first failed attempt?
[08:22] <seabag> yes
[08:23] <superm1> seabag, you might want to bring your question up to the ivtv mailing list then, see if any of them have some further suggestions
[08:23] <superm1> i'm parched
[08:24] <seabag> hmm
[08:24] <seabag> well thank you very much, you helped me get halfway!
[08:25] <seabag> i've been glaring at this PC since eh, january or so :D
[08:25] <keescook> superm1: bug #126812 has the debdiff for by-path handling of v4l devices.  I'll get it confirmed by the maintainer.
[08:25] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 126812 in udev "video4linux devices have no static mapping" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/126812
[08:25] <superm1> good luck :)  if you get the second half sorted out, please let us know so we can add it to the wiki and tell others :)
[08:25] <seabag> aha ok definitely. i was going to ask you how i could help out in this matter. will do!!
[08:26] <superm1> alright keescook, i'll build this and my patch later this evening
[08:26] <seabag> here goes nothin. cya!
[08:26] <superm1> cya seabag
[08:26] <superm1> i'll let you know how things turn out
[08:30] <keescook> cool, this looks good
[08:31] <superm1> keescook, do you know how to process the rules after reinstalling udev on a live box?
[08:31] <keescook> root@cube:/dev/v4l/by-path# ls -l
[08:31] <keescook> total 0
[08:31] <keescook> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-07-18 11:28 pci-0000:01:06.0-cx8800 -> ../../video0
[08:31] <keescook> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2007-07-18 11:28 pci-0000:01:07.0-ivtv -> ../../video24
[08:31] <keescook> superm1: I don't.  :(  I rebooted.  :P
[08:31] <superm1> because i'll likely have to do this off a live cd
[08:31] <superm1> hm.
[08:31] <superm1> that does look very good
[08:31] <keescook> er, actually
[08:32] <keescook> video24 should be video1 ... hmm
[08:32] <superm1> oh right. hm
[08:32] <keescook> I wonder how I give preference?
[08:32] <superm1> also, what about the vbi devices
[08:33] <keescook> the rule currently ignores them (just check for video*, I think I'll switch to video[0-9] )
[08:33] <superm1> so won't work work with more than 10 cards :)
[08:34] <keescook> right.  any idea how the video24 is built?
[08:34] <keescook> i.e. how ivtv decides to start counting at 24 for the other bits?
[08:34] <superm1> ivtv creates i think 4 device minors
[08:34] <keescook> better yet, what _is_ video24?
[08:34] <superm1> i have a video0, video24, and video32
[08:34] <superm1> from a pvr-150
[08:35] <superm1> the pvr350 makes one more
[08:35] <superm1> video24 is for radio
[08:36] <superm1> keescook, http://ivtvdriver.org/viewcvs/ivtv/branches/0.10/doc/README.devices?view=markup
[08:38] <keescook> wow.  there isn't a sane way to handle all that.  ugly v4l.
[08:39] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, talking to my buddy with the ppc, says the live disk works fine on his ibook.  Everything works but the wireless OOB.
[08:40] <tgm4883_laptop> This is one instance though and i suppose other models could be different
[08:40] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, okay great.  i'll bug my roomate to install debootstrap (he's a gentoo guy, so he'll have to give me a chroot to work with) to build it
[08:40] <tgm4883_laptop> sweet
[08:41] <superm1> i wonder if gentoo has a pbuilder/sbuild ebuild.  if so, then i can even build ubiquity and such through it
[08:41] <tgm4883_laptop> still waiting on the guy from the forums to get back to me, then we will have a survey of 2
[08:43] <mkrufky> guys, sorry... . been very busy here
[08:44] <mkrufky> video24 is RGB, as opposed to mpeg
[08:44] <mkrufky> ( i think )
[08:44] <mkrufky> i get them confused
[08:44] <superm1> mkrufky, it's in that readme i linked keescook to
[08:44] <tgm4883_laptop> superm1, perhaps the problem was with the ati vid card, and not the ppc
[08:44] <superm1> i was a bit confused too
[08:44] <tgm4883_laptop> or a combination of the two
[08:44] <superm1> tgm4883_laptop, the problem is the monitor timing typically
[08:44] <tgm4883_laptop> ah
[08:44] <mkrufky> pvr350 adds a video48, that is raw video input to the decoder (tv out) ... video16 is mpeg input to the decoder (tv out)
[08:45] <mkrufky> oh, oops... readme's are better than a babbling mkrufky ;-)
[08:45] <keescook> the only way I can work around this is to ignore video10 and higher.  :(
[08:46] <mkrufky> that sucks
[08:46] <superm1> well actually that should be an okay solution for the problem attempting to solve
[08:46] <mkrufky> what id somebody actually had 16 raw capture devices attached?
[08:46] <mkrufky> s/id/if
[08:46] <superm1> lol
[08:46] <keescook> superm1: yeah.
[08:47] <superm1> if someone really has more than 10 video capture devices, i'd like to see how their IO in the system takes to that in the first place
[08:47] <mkrufky> im not an expert on how those sysfs paths work....  but wouldnt it be better to fix the v4l core code to create those paths instead of patching udev, distro-specific?
[08:48] <mkrufky> superm1: i've read of people with > 12 DVB capture devices....  i couldnt imagine any need for that many raw video devices, but just because i dont see the need doesnt mean somebody else might try it
[08:49] <superm1> well dvb i can see - but raw capture no.  ivtv has a strict limit at 10 cards anyhow
[08:50] <keescook> mkrufky: yeah, this is limited only to video[0-9]  devices for the moment.
[08:50] <mkrufky> ivtv has a limit of 10 cards?  any idea why?
[08:50] <mkrufky> (yeah, i havent seen any motherboards with 10 pci slots, but besides that...)
[08:51] <superm1> well but you can have a pvr-500
[08:51] <superm1> which provides two cards
[08:51] <superm1> er actually the hard limit is 12
[08:51] <superm1> not 10
[08:51] <mkrufky> yeah, 12 makes more sense, then
[08:51] <superm1> not sure why its there, but its listed in the readme
[08:51] <superm1> why does 12 make more sense?
[08:51] <mkrufky> i'll ask hans when i see him next
[08:51] <mkrufky> 12 makes more sense, because i have seen mb;s with up to 6 pci slots
[08:52] <mkrufky> 10 just seemed to be a random number
[08:52] <keescook> superm1: debdiff updated: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/8519911/udev_113-0ubuntu6.debdiff
[08:52] <mkrufky> .... but then again, there are those pci extenders...  not that they would work well at all
[08:52] <keescook> root@cube:/dev/v4l/by-path# ls -l
[08:52] <keescook> total 0
[08:52] <keescook> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-07-18 11:48 pci-0000:01:06.0-cx8800 -> ../../video0
[08:52] <keescook> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 12 2007-07-18 11:48 pci-0000:01:07.0-ivtv -> ../../video1
[08:53] <keescook> there, that gives us sane symlinks in a sane configuration.  :(
[08:53] <keescook> er :)
[08:53] <tgm4883_laptop> !pastebin
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[08:53] <mkrufky> i agree with you, superm1 ... except for the fact that linux does exist so that those people can built whetever they want out of their pcs
[08:53] <mkrufky> brb
[08:56] <keescook> tgm4883_laptop: heh.  I figured 4 lines wasn't
[08:56] <keescook> "large text"
[08:56] <keescook> :)
[08:56] <tgm4883_laptop> :)\
[08:57] <tgm4883_laptop> your fine with that
[08:58] <superm1> well i think i know how i'll test this later.  i'll just kill two birds with one stone, and rebuild a new mythbuntu disk to test a few other changes with these added in
[08:58] <foxbuntu> !pastebin
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[08:58] <foxbuntu> :P
[08:59] <foxbuntu> well its large text on my 640x480 res laptop
[08:59] <superm1> foxbuntu, 640x480. are you kidding?
[08:59] <laga> superm1: yup
[09:00] <superm1> laga, did that change of adding the prefilled sql value translate over well to trunk?
[09:00] <superm1> or will it need to be reworked for additional items that are added
[09:00] <laga> superm1: i have not tried them on a vanilla install of mythbuntu. :(
[09:00] <laga> let's take a look...
[09:01] <superm1> i don't know how sql values are stored for the storage groups
[09:01] <superm1> rather than the recordings directory
[09:01] <superm1> so i'd expect some level of breakage there
[09:01] <laga> looks like epgdata.com has data for germany, austria, switzerland, netherlands, UK, spain, france and italy. not all channels, of course, but at least the main channels
[09:06] <laga> superm1: i don't expect breakage.
[09:07] <laga> superm1: there's a "DBSchemaVer" entry in the settings table.
[09:07] <laga> i believe your sql file has it, too.
[09:07] <superm1> well so it would upgrade the first time *any* myth app is ran?
[09:07] <superm1> or just mythtv-setup
[09:08] <laga> looking at the code right now...
[09:08] <laga> well, still grepping :)
[09:08] <superm1> the idea was supposed to be that you can install mythtv, and not have to run mythtv-setup unless you wanted to add a tuner
[09:08] <superm1> so someone only wanting to use mythvideo or mythmusic could
[09:09] <laga> libs/libmythtv/dbcheck.cpp handles database upgrades
[09:09] <laga> hum
[09:10] <laga> (personally, i would not use mythtv for mythvideo or mythmusic only, but OK)
[09:10] <laga> i guess it'll be fine.
[09:10] <superm1> well probably not mythmusic only
[09:10] <superm1> more likely mythvideo only
[09:10] <laga> heh
[09:10] <superm1> i've seen a few forum posts about people wanting to do that
[09:10] <superm1> which is what pre-empted the idea
[09:10] <laga> right
[09:10] <superm1> now if some method of automatic tuner detection could be added, then this can probably be taken a step further
[09:11] <laga> true
[09:11] <superm1> someone would literally be able to install mythtv, and then watch tv from it.  if they wanted guide data, or to change defaults they could open mythtv-setup
[09:12] <laga> i'll try to get mythweb sorted out ASAP, but the grabber is taking up a lot of my time as well
[09:12] <laga> heh
[09:12] <superm1> i'm surprised my changes didn't transliterate right over
[09:12] <laga> you're forgetting about channel tuning info
[09:12] <superm1> oh right.
[09:12] <laga> superm1: i must have broken something during the merge, i guess.
[09:12] <superm1> what's happening to you now?
[09:13] <laga> it's still hanging ;)
[09:13] <laga> same as before
[09:13] <laga> i should try on a fresh install
[09:13] <superm1> and you made sure that you caught my #DEBHELPER# tags
[09:14] <superm1> and my extra . /usr/share/debconf/confmodule
[09:14] <laga> i'll keep that in mind when i review the merge again, thanks
[09:15] <laga> i've gotta run now, lady's waiting ;)
[09:15] <superm1> laga, can you push really quick
[09:15] <superm1> before you leave?
[09:15] <laga> ok
[09:15] <superm1> i'll see if i catch it
[09:17] <laga> will files in "unknown" state be committed as well?=
[09:17] <superm1> no
[09:17] <superm1> bzr add
[09:17] <superm1> and then they will
[09:17] <superm1> don't forget to bzr commit; bzr push if your not bound to the branch (i'm not sure if you are)
[09:17] <superm1> rather than just bzr commit
[09:18] <laga> i believe i'm bound to i
[09:18] <laga> t
[09:18] <laga> FYI, mythweather-revamp was merged back to trunk
[09:18] <superm1> really.
[09:18] <superm1> okay so then when we switch, my patch can be dropped
[09:20] <laga> yup
[09:20] <laga> i'm pushing now
[09:20] <superm1> okay great
[09:20] <superm1> thanks
[09:21] <laga> my mythplugin tree is not bound to the launchpad branch
[09:21] <laga> weird..
[09:21] <superm1> well i'm glad i mentioned that then :)
[09:22] <laga> no worries, i notice when it asks me for my password for my private key
[09:22] <superm1> to push?
[09:22] <laga> (i almosed pushed the mythtv tree instead of mythplugins, that's why i got confused)
[09:22] <laga> yes
[09:22] <laga> too lazy to set up ssh-agent
[09:22] <superm1> weird
[09:22] <superm1> why would it
[09:22] <superm1> oh
[09:22] <laga> my private key is protected with a password
[09:22] <superm1> if you weren't kde based, you could get seahorse
[09:23] <laga> superm1: FYI, i commented out some stuff in those mythweb.* files during debugging
[09:23] <superm1> well i'll see if i can catch it
[09:24] <laga> thanks, it's much appreciated
[09:25] <laga> afk
[09:25] <superm1> cya
[09:49] <keescook> superm1: whoa, what a weird error from PPA
[09:51] <superm1> So what is the use of PPA, if i'm not able to use it for test builds.....
[09:51] <superm1> that's very annoying
[09:56] <Kenzu_> hey..
[09:57] <superm1> hey Kenzu_
[09:58] <Kenzu_> i'am testing boot times on my 2gb mythbuntu stick and my 512mb larch stick
[09:58] <Kenzu_> so far larch is 2.30min fra power on to playing tv
[09:59] <superm1> 2.30min fra power?
[10:01] <Kenzu_> and mythbuntu 4.10min from power on
[10:01] <Kenzu_> and the 2gb stick has better read times than the 512mb
[10:01] <superm1> similar performance on both though?
[10:02] <Kenzu_> almost... on mythbuntu it crashes when exiting the guide when xvmc is active... but it works fine om larch with xvmc
[10:03] <superm1> that's interesting
[10:05] <Kenzu_> and 4.10 was wrong
[10:05] <Kenzu_> it was 4.37
[10:05] <superm1> Kenzu_, did you install bootchart?
[10:06] <Kenzu_> no
[10:06] <Kenzu_> just stopwatch in my hand
[10:07] <superm1> well bootchart will explain where the hold up is
[10:07] <superm1> it generates a graph
[10:07] <superm1> showing the slow parts
[10:07] <superm1> in /var/SOMETHING/bootchart
[10:07] <superm1> dont remember where in var
[10:07] <superm1> but its i nthere
[10:08] <Kenzu_> hdparm -t on 2gb is 15,29mb/sec
[10:08] <Kenzu_> hdparm -t on 512mb is 10,96mb/sec
[10:09] <Kenzu_> the slow part is loading initrd.img
[10:09] <Kenzu_> on mythbuntu it's the first 2.30 min
[10:11] <Kenzu_> I could make a dd of larch and put the image on my server if you will test it
[10:12] <superm1> wow 2.3 minutes for the initrd??
[10:12] <superm1> that would be the effect of usb 1 loading it i would say
[10:12] <superm1> how long is larch's initrd load
[10:13] <Kenzu_> 1.30 ca
[10:13] <superm1> can you compare the size of the two initrds?
[10:14] <Kenzu_> initrd on larch is 2,2mb and mythbuntu i 6,7mb
[10:14] <Kenzu_> so that's the primary problem
[10:14] <superm1> okay so then there is the hold up
[10:15] <superm1> now how that can be resolved is another problem
[10:15] <Kenzu_> a special mythbuntu initrd?
[10:15] <superm1> well what do you take out of it?
[10:15] <superm1> because its supposed to be generic enough to handle a large variety of hardware
[10:15] <Kenzu_> or maybe a special mythbuntu-usb initrd
[10:16] <superm1> my guess would be the larch initrd won't work on such a large variety of boxes
[10:17] <Kenzu_> larch used udev in the initrd
[10:17] <superm1> what does ubuntu do?
[10:18] <Kenzu_> it's pretty smart...
[10:18] <Kenzu_> don't know
[10:18] <Kenzu_> it's called mkinitcpio on larch
[10:18] <Kenzu_> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Mkinitcpio
[10:19] <superm1> wow that looks pretty neat
[10:20] <Kenzu_> ya... it's made by an archlinux developer
[10:21] <superm1> perhaps you should propose a spec on this for ubuntu to use this (which would mean mythbuntu too)
[10:21] <superm1> that would help the boot process across the board on a variety of boxes
[10:21] <Kenzu_> I like arch linux so much, but I also like ubuntu (because everything just works and is a full desktop from start)
[10:22] <Kenzu_> archlinux is simple as hell
[10:22] <superm1> what is arch's advantages then outside this?
[10:22] <Kenzu_> speed... and simple config files
[10:22] <Kenzu_> http://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Arch_vs_Others
[10:23] <Kenzu_> and simple package making
[10:23] <superm1> well package making is simple in ubuntu
[10:23] <superm1> you just need to read a little about it :)
[10:23] <superm1> !packagingguide
[10:23] <ubotu> The packaging guide is at http://doc.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/packagingguide/C/index.html - See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/New for information on getting a package integrated into Ubuntu - Other developer resources are at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DeveloperResources - See also !backports
[10:25] <Kenzu_> the problem with ubuntu is that it's hard to get under the hood... becuase it has to fit everybodys needs
[10:26] <superm1> well i'm not sure what you mean by under the hood?
[10:26] <Kenzu_> commandline stuff and boot stuff
[10:27] <Kenzu_> it's hard to strip down and make a custom boot
[10:27] <superm1> well i would have to disagree there
[10:27] <superm1> all the init scripts are customizable
[10:27] <superm1> in different run levels
[10:27] <Kenzu_> or maybe i'am not that smart
[10:28] <superm1> if you want to customize the initrd, that is doable as well
[10:28] <superm1> its a conf file and one command
[10:28] <superm1> to change whats loaded in it
[10:29] <DaveMorris> !mythtv
[10:29] <ubotu> MythTV is a TV framework for Linux - Instructions for using with Ubuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MythTV
[10:29] <Kenzu_> hmm... maybe it's just me
[10:29] <Kenzu_> ;-)
[10:31] <superm1> Kenzu_, see /etc/initramfs-tools
[10:32] <superm1> you can list exactly what modules you want in initramfs.conf
[10:33] <superm1> and then run update-initramfs
[10:33] <superm1> and it will regenerate based on what you change
[10:34] <superm1> keescook, the weird thing is it was accepted to ~superm1
[10:34] <superm1> PPA
[10:34] <keescook> superm1: yeah, did it just auto-retry, or did you do something special?
[10:34] <superm1> well the first time i submitted it to ~ubuntu-mythtv
[10:34] <superm1> the second time i submitted it to ~superm1
[10:35] <superm1> i think that ~ubuntu-mythtv's ppa needs to be activated manually or something
[10:35] <keescook> hunh.  but you're in the ubuntu-mythtv group...
[10:35] <keescook> oooh
[10:35] <superm1> whereas ~superm1 had it activated automatically
[10:35] <superm1> sometime back
[10:45] <superm1> now ideally - it would be really cool to use these ppa's for building mythbuntu applications before they hit the archives, or possibly for 0.20-fixes weekly builds.  depending how clean this build process is with ppa .
[11:59] <DaveMorris> superm1 where on line are those screen shots you passed me before?
[12:00] <superm1> DaveMorris, http://www.mythbuntu.org/~supermario/mythbuntu/7.10-screenshots/mythbuntu-live-autostart/
[12:00] <superm1> for the three plugins pages, there will be 3 types
[12:00] <superm1> NONE, NFS, SMB
[12:00] <superm1> if NFS or SMB is activated, share and server are editable
[12:01] <superm1> if SMB is activated "Use Authentication" is editable
[12:01] <superm1> if "Use Authentication" is activated, User name and password are editable
[12:01] <mkrufky> wowow ... is that stuff in the current mythbuntu release?
[12:02] <superm1> on the master backend tab, either "Successful" or "Failure" will be output underneath the botom of the MySQL Server box
[12:02] <superm1> mkrufky, that is going to be in alpha 3 provided i have the gui working right :)
[12:02] <superm1> the python command line code for it works as expected
[12:02] <mkrufky> that looks great...  i'll have to give that a try once ready
[12:02] <superm1> but you will be able to use the disk as a live frontend and save changes to a flash drive
[12:03] <superm1> eg, plug inthe flash drive, boot the cd, and it starts everything for you
[12:03] <superm1> mounts shares etc
[12:03] <DaveMorris> no, the ones you showed me ages ago
[12:04] <mkrufky> thats exactly what i'd like ....  except that i'd use a CF disk instead
[12:04] <superm1> mkrufky, as long as it mounts by gnome-volume-manager in /media
[12:04] <mkrufky> i'd love to rip that hard disk out of my mythfrontend box and replace it with CF
[12:04] <superm1> automatically
[12:04] <superm1> does it?
[12:04] <mkrufky> it would just boot as a regular IDE disk
[12:05] <superm1> well you can do it that way too, but that prettified gui is for live cd boot- something a little different is planned for the install version
[12:05] <mkrufky> i wrote this howto a few years ago:
[12:05] <mkrufky> http://techsounds.org/linux/cf/
[12:05] <mkrufky> this was before i got involved with v4l/dvb ... but it works very well
[12:05] <superm1> looks pretty straightforward too
[12:06] <superm1> DaveMorris, which screenshots are you talking about?
[12:06] <mkrufky> VERY simple
[12:06] <superm1> you can look a directory up above that one
[12:06] <superm1> for my last set
[12:06] <superm1> that i took
[12:06] <DaveMorris> superm1 the screenshots of the splash screen, and ubquity
[12:06] <DaveMorris> that looks like the ones
[12:07] <superm1> look a directory above
[12:07] <superm1> and see if those are what you mean
[12:09] <DaveMorris> I'm lazy, whats the wget syntax to get *.png from a url dir ?
[12:09] <mkrufky> ok, i gotta run ... cu guys later
[12:09] <superm1> cya mkrufky
[12:09] <superm1> DaveMorris, don't know off hand
[12:09] <superm1> just click them
[12:09] <superm1> and see if those are it
[12:09] <DaveMorris> they are
[12:10] <DaveMorris> but I'm too lazy to click on them all to download