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=== Topic for #xubuntu: Official Xubuntu Support Channel | FAQ: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CommonQuestions | Support options: http://www.ubuntu.com/support | IRC info: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRCResourcePage | Pastes to http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org | Mailing list: http://lists.ubuntu.com/xubuntu-users | Downloads: http://xubuntu.org/get
=== Topic (#xubuntu): set by Pumpernickel at Sun May 20 02:21:34 2007
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) Cubey: yes, i believe that is considered grouping to xfce ... just try it05:44
(Cubey/#xubuntu) I have grouping off05:44
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) oh05:44
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) i dunno05:45
(Jester45/#xubuntu) logs are back05:45
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) i've never noticed it05:45
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) anyhoo ... i've coded enough for one night05:45
(maxamillion/#xubuntu) laters05:45
(Jester45/#xubuntu) im with max05:45
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Cubeyhm, could the author of the spca50x driver module have been anymore vauge in their instructions?06:42
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snaapzgod damn it I just got a $45 parking ticket !!! O=)07:02
snaapzMust have been due to my grammmmer07:03
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Cubeyis there a way to disable the screensaver on anything full screen?07:26
cellofellowhow do you mean?07:29
Cubeyplaying videos full screen keep getting interupted by the screensaver07:30
cellofellowkillall xscreensaver before turning on the game07:30
cellofellowor set your timeout longer.07:31
Cubeymehh07:31
Cubeywhy the heck don't the video players just disable it?07:31
Cubeyxfmedia for one07:31
cellofellowI know they try.07:32
Cubeyhm07:32
cellofellowI get an error message from mplayer whenever it tries.07:32
cellofellowit used to work.07:32
Cubeyyeah07:32
Cubeylets see if VLC's setting for it works07:33
DvineLordhrm07:34
DvineLordi get same error with mplayer07:34
Cubeysound is kind of bad on VLC :/07:35
Cubeyit crackles a bit07:35
DvineLordi wish mplayer would just send a mouse movement around the time xscreensaver would come on07:35
Cubeyyeah07:35
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Cubeyhow do you set a default encoding for firefox? the one set now keeps displaying pages badly07:38
Colossus73hi07:38
Cubeyhi07:39
Colossus73do someone know wht the printer applet failed to start?07:41
Colossus73I receive a message saying Unable to start the printer driver selection service07:41
cellofellowprobably cause cups is all messed up07:41
Colossus73cupsd is running07:42
cellofellowI mean the configs.07:42
cellofellowgksu system-config-printer in alt+f2.07:42
Cubeyregarding the screensaver issue, i think for mplayer you have to be using gnome. the error i get refers to gnome_screensaver_control()07:43
Cubeyi'll just disable the screensaver for tonight and play the video and deal with trying it in gnome tomorrow I suppose07:44
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Colossus73cellofellow: I will try tonight now I'm on Zenwalk, thank you08:03
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magic_ninjathis isgonna be tricky08:55
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tuna-fishIn what file does xfce4 store what programs to boot up at the start of the session, like xfdesktop and xfce4-menu-plugin?12:33
gabkdllythere is a graphical user interface for this purpose. I think you can find it under settings12:40
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tuna-fishyes, but I need to fiddle with stuff that cannot be done with the gui. So far, I've found /home/tuna/.config/xfce4-session/xfce4session.rc, but it is almost empty.12:57
tuna-fishspecifically, my desktop gets started before the panel and as double-buffering is on, this causes the desktop icons to be drawn twice, making the desktop look very ugly12:58
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TheSheeptuna-fish: that's not how double buffering works XD01:04
TheSheeptuna-fish: the programs are stored in ~/.config/autostart/01:04
tuna-fishthanks01:04
tuna-fishTheSheep: I use conky, and I enabled DBE for it01:05
TheSheeptuna-fish: ah, but the things started with session are somewhere in the /etc/xdg/xfce4/01:05
tuna-fishand quite clearly, if I enable it, the icons first get drawn where they would be if there was no panel. Then panel appears, and they are drawn again on their proper spots, nut the ghosts are not removed01:06
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tuna-fish*but01:07
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tuna-fishfinally found it, it's in /home/tuna/.cache/sessions01:13
tuna-fishkinda hidden if you ask me...01:13
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kalikianatuna-fish, Did you mean 'Thunar'. It's not the fish but the Nordic god. And yes, it *is* hidden on purpose.01:35
tuna-fishyes, but when you f*ck it up, it's hard to fix when you don't know where it is :)01:36
kalikianaSo file a bug about the issue or to add an 'empty cache' button. ;)01:39
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Leitehello06:51
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xBillLeite: hi06:51
maxamillionhi hi06:53
imLeitei was having some problems installing ubuntu on a clevo 2800T (freezing while booting in live)06:53
imLeiteso i went to try Xubuntu06:53
maxamillionsame problem?06:53
imLeitedifferent06:53
maxamillionreally? ... strange ... they use the same kernel and sub-system06:53
imLeiteboots to a part where theres a cursor (X) in the screen06:54
imLeitebut can't move it06:54
maxamillionstrange06:55
imLeitewell, it moved, but like, 5/10mins after i tried it :P06:56
imLeitei've googled for some resolution for this kind of notebook, but no luck06:59
imLeitetried disabling acpi (ubuntu only) didn't work either07:01
imLeitethe cursor moves (sometimes) but nothing changes, X cursor on black07:05
imLeiteis there anyway to install withouth entering the live cd desktop?07:07
maxamillionimLeite: yes, download the "alternate cd"... it has a text mode installer07:10
maxamillionimLeite: what are the specs on your laptop?07:10
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imLeiteceleron 1.3, 128 ram, 16mb video (shared)07:11
Alex_hi everyone07:11
imLeitehi07:11
Alex_does anyone have the time to help me to install xubuntu07:11
maxamillionimLeite: yeah, you need the alternate cd... i think the livecd need 192mb of ram in feisty07:12
maxamillion!ask | Alex_07:12
ubotuAlex_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)07:12
Alex_:P ok:07:12
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stenhello :)07:12
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Alex_i have ubuntu 7.04 on the computer atm and i want to try out xubuntu. but when i try install it by klicking the intall icon on the livecd everything runs smoothly untill it starts to create the partitions, at this point i get a error message saying i dont have the persmition to access the disk and that the partitions could not be created07:14
imLeitethank you maxamillion, will try using alternate cd :)07:14
stenI installed Xubuntu on top of a already Ubuntu installation, and then removed Ubuntu (Gnome)...and now I See some things that are missing, icons etc in the menus...are there any left-over setting file that disrupt Xubuntu ??07:14
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maxamillionsten: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce07:17
maxamillionimLeite: anytime07:17
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stenmaxamillion, that's what I Have used :) exactly the commands07:17
maxamillionAlex_: i don't fully understand the question ... if you already have ubuntu installed you can just install xubuntu-desktop from synaptic/aptitude/apt-get /etc07:18
stenand from that site too07:18
maxamillionsten: interesting07:18
stenmaxamillion, like for example: in the main menu where it says: "About Xfce"   ...I guess there shall be an icon, but there isn't, and some other part in the submenus too07:19
maxamillionsten: just a moment... let me check something07:19
stenand:  System -> Process manager07:19
maxamillionsten: oh yeah, thats normal .... certain things don't have pre-set icons07:20
maxamillionsten: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=791&slide=407:20
stenalso: Xfburn07:20
maxamillionsten: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=791&slide=1207:20
stenI see07:20
stenheh07:20
maxamillionsten: i believe its because the icon theme that is being used doesn't have an appropriate icon to match that, i think other icon themes have a "fallback" icon that just gets kinda thrown in there for things like that07:21
stenmaxamillion, Okey thanks...07:21
maxamillionsten: np07:21
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stenI feel that Gnome is to heavy....Xfce makes system quicker07:22
stenbut there some things that are more difficult that in gnome of course07:23
exwi've got this old sony vaio pII 366MB ram.  xubuntu runs fairly good/fast, but i'd like to make it use less cpu.  It seams ram is NOT a problem.  looking at the system monitor, i have never seen  xubuntu  use  the swap or go over 70% of the available ram.  The problem is the cpu load, wich spikes on maost operations.  Is there a way to reduce the cpu load?07:27
exwsorry i meant sony vaio pII 366mhz 128MB ram.07:28
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Hobbseegreetings07:28
maxamillionhiya Hobbsee07:30
xBillHobsee: hi07:30
Hobbsee https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Xubuntu suggests that you guys need to find people to test your cds07:31
xBillexw: use another windowmanager ^^07:31
Hobbseethe usual rules about "dont try this on production machines", "it might eat your hard drive, and kill your dog" apply.07:31
maxamillionexw: you might try using a window manager such as openbox as a drop in replacement for xfwm, that could help a little07:31
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exwxBill, maxamillion thanks... i've been reading about replacing xfce, but people are suggesting that as a solution for low ram... which does not appear to be a problem for me :-(07:33
maxamillionexw: well, you wouldn't replace xfce but you would just replace its window manager (a program called xfwm4) and as a side effect you would actually lower ram consumption but it should also help a little with cpu spikes07:35
exwok thanks07:35
maxamillionexw: but in general, cpu spikes are going to happen on older hardware just because of the load they have to handle when launching applications or running certain plugins for heavier applications such as firefox07:36
maxamillionexw: anytime07:36
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maxamillionexw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox <--- lots of information about openbox and the little snippet about "Openbox in Gnome" the information there can be applied to using it in xfce as well, you will just need to add the command "openbox --replace" to the autostarted applications found in applications->system07:38
exwmaxamillion: great :-)07:38
maxamillionexw: i have used it before on older systems and i think its really nice and very clean looking for being so light weight (i recommend greatly that you also install obconf because it will make configuration a matter of clicking buttons instead of trudging through .xml configuration files)07:40
exwok07:40
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gerrosome apps capture the mouse08:29
gerrobut why can't I just breed more mice on the screen08:29
gerronever understood reason why :/08:29
gerroa mouse for each hand would be fun08:29
gerromaybe even a touchpad one for my feet08:30
ablomengerro, well you can now actually08:30
ablomenjust go to digg or slashdot or any other news site08:31
gerro?08:31
ablomenmultiple input device support hack is made08:31
gerrohmm found this gizmo app08:32
gerrosays its recently available in gutsy08:32
gerroah seems xorg 7.3 has better support for multiple input devices08:36
gerroscheduled for august release08:36
Der-Timhi there...08:46
Der-Timis there a .deb package of python-twisted in version 2.4?08:47
TheSheep!info python-twisted08:48
ubotupython-twisted: Event-based framework for internet applications (transitional package). In component main, is extra. Version 2.5.0-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 8 kB, installed size 60 kB08:48
Der-Timi know that there's a 2.5 version08:49
Der-Timbut i need the 2.4 version...08:49
TheSheeparen't they backward-compatible?08:49
TheSheepwell, check the repositiories for edgy or dapper08:49
Jester45get it from the archives08:49
TheSheephttp://packages.ubuntu.com08:49
gerrowow 8kb kinda small08:51
TheSheepgerro: look at the dependencies :)08:52
TheSheepgerro: besides, it's mostly text08:52
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gerrothink I might try blackbox on this older comp I have08:57
gerroicewm seemed promising but still lags08:57
gerrothinking some xfce leftovers hanging around in ram08:58
gerrosomeone recommended trying xdm instead of gdm08:58
maxamilliongerro: either xdm or slim08:58
gerronever heard of slim08:58
gerrolink?08:58
TheSheepit's not maintained anymore and not in the repositories08:58
TheSheepgerro: the only link left is on wikipedia XD08:59
gerro?08:59
gerrowhich one you talking about08:59
maxamilliongerro: http://slim.berlios.de/09:00
maxamillion!info slim09:00
ubotuPackage slim does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas09:00
TheSheephttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLiM09:00
maxamillionbah!09:00
gerrooh seems nice09:00
maxamillionhuh ... its not in the feisty repo09:01
maxamilliongerro: its alright, i used it for a bit just to try it ... its right between xdm and gdm on features09:01
TheSheepmaxamillion: never was09:01
TheSheepmaxamillion: in the repos I mean09:01
maxamillionTheSheep: oh ... guess i installed it from the debian testing repo then09:01
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TheSheepmaxamillion: I find it annoying that it doesn't have a 'shutdown' button09:02
maxamillionyeah it was lenny09:02
gerroyeah guess they rely on ctrl alt del for shutdown09:02
maxamilliongerro: that just reboots afaik09:02
gerrobut having that setup sucks because of all the noobs that may random shut you down during downloads or whatever09:02
gerroespecially if they don't see some form of panel or icons on screen09:03
TheSheepgerro: why use a graphical login manager if you can't use mouse to operate it? :)09:03
gerroyeah I see your point09:03
gerrowonder if there anyway it can be worked in09:03
gerromaybe with different theme09:03
maxamilliongerro: i don't imagine noobs would be using slim in the first place09:04
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gerromaxamillion: my little bro uses my laptop when I'm afk sometimes (he responsible for all those rude comments :P)09:06
maxamillionlol09:06
maxamilliongerro: fair enough09:06
viddSURE he is....(jk)09:07
vidd=] 09:07
viddcan anyone recommend a torrent maker? preferably one with a .deb installer?09:10
maxamilliontorrent maker? .... i've never thought to make a torrent09:11
viddthats ok....i have a torrentflux server...and it has the tool built in09:12
viddi just didnt see it b409:12
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gerroI've never made a torrent before..09:18
vinzeIt's not that difficult ;-)09:18
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maxamillioni have before ... just don't anymore09:23
vinzeI didn't before, then I had to distribute a 760Mb ISO ;-)09:24
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Merchelodoes jim cambell be on irc ?09:48
maxamillionMerchelo: ping him09:49
Merchelolike does he have a username? just wondering09:50
maxamillionMerchelo: oh, he doesn't appear to be online... but his username is j1mc09:51
Merchelook cool, just wondering, thanks maxamillion09:51
maxamillionMerchelo: i am talking to him on jabber ... he will be here in a moment09:52
maxamillionMerchelo: actually, he said to email him because he is working but he can respond within 5 minutes09:52
Merchelook cool thanks.09:52
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Colossushi10:37
vinzeHi10:37
ColossusI just tried to download from my camera10:37
Colossusa Kodak CX753010:38
Colossusafter issuing from the cmd-line; gphoto2 --get-al-files10:38
Colossusthe pictures are being downloaded then after some minutes10:38
Colossusit suddenly stops and I get the letter D in task list:10:38
Colossus 5705 pts/0    D+     0:00 gphoto2 --get-all-files10:38
Colossus 5782 pts/1    Ss     0:00 bash10:38
Colossus 5800 ?        Ssl    0:15 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin10:38
Colossus 5883 pts/1    D+     0:00 gphoto2 --auto-detect10:38
Colossus 5884 pts/2    Ss     0:00 bash10:38
Colossus 5891 ?        D      0:00 gphoto2 --list-ports10:38
Colossus 5892 pts/4    Ss+    0:00 bash10:39
Colossus 5895 pts/2    R+     0:00 ps ax10:39
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ColossusI can't kill the process even with sudo10:39
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Colossuswhat's up10:39
maxamillionthanks TheSheep10:39
maxamillionwait10:39
Colossuswhat is this behaviour?10:39
ColossusI just install it with apt-get install gphoto2 and it called the dependancies10:39
maxamillion!flood | Colossus10:40
ubotuColossus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)10:40
maxamillionColossus: next flood and i will have to kick you10:40
maxamillionTheSheep: sorry, i wasn't paying attention .... still chasing bugs in my shell, different ones ... i fixed the others, but bugs still the same10:40
TheSheepmaxamillion: it was actually short :)10:41
maxamillionshort-ish ... but i think the ubuntu irc people say more than 3 lines need to be pasebing10:41
maxamillionpastebined*10:41
TheSheepColossus: does it stop on any particular file?10:41
vinzeColossus, I have no experience with Gphoto but have you checked their FAQ? http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/FAQ.html10:41
Colossusnobody has a clue? Why the gphoto2 process assumes the letter D?10:41
ColossusI have to reboot10:41
vinzeColossus, I have no experience with Gphoto but have you checked their FAQ? http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/FAQ.html10:41
TheSheepColossus: or always after the same number of files?10:41
Colossusto have the gphoto2 task gone10:42
ColossusI can't find any message in the dmesg output10:42
Colossuswhere can I look for some info?10:43
vinzehttp://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/FAQ.html10:43
ColossusI will reboot the machine10:44
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exwwhere are the configuration files for the panel?10:44
cellofellowSettings -> Panel10:45
vinze~/.config/xfce4/panel10:45
exwok thanks10:45
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Colossusbac kagain10:47
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Colossusbefore downloading I activate thunar vol management10:47
Colossusnow I don't have the icons on the desktop when pluggin a USB pendrive10:48
ColossusI disabled it again but still no icons10:48
Colossuscan someone direct me where to look for hints?10:48
wbadgerhey guys does anyone know how do I change the default program for opening a file type, other than the right click->properties-> opens with dialog?10:48
vinzeWhat's wrong with that? ;-)10:49
wbadgervinze, I want to associate .exe files with wine and it isn't possible that way10:49
vinzeOh, right10:49
exwweird... battery monitor is not added to the panel10:49
wbadgervinze, it just says "kind: executable"10:50
vinzewbadger, Yeah, I got the same problem10:50
Colossusnobody download pictures from the camera here?10:51
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Colossusit's really weird, the gphoto2 process became dead and I can't kill it10:51
Colossusmy kodak cx7530 is not seen as a removable drive10:52
Colossusinfact when I plugged in its icon didn't appear on the desktop10:52
TheSheepColossus: is the camera active? some cameras will go into power saving mode when untouched...10:53
Colossusmaybe can be I bug10:53
Colossusbut I want to be sure before filing it.10:53
Colossusyes it is because the files are being downloaded10:53
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Colossusthen it suddenly stops and gphoto2 pocess assumes the letter D+10:54
Colossusin the ps ax output10:54
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wbadgerColossus, maybe you can just use another program?10:56
Colossusin the dmesg output the usb mass storage driver is activated10:56
Allexi just installed xubuntu and have a question: how do i access other computers and the shared folders in my home network?10:56
Colossushmm10:56
Colossuswbadger: what else to use? I use gphoto2 cmd-line10:56
Allexcant find anywhere i can browse the network as i could in ubuntu @ the system bar at the top10:57
vinzeAllex, it's not possible by default I believe10:57
Allexhuh? so xubuntu dosent have network support?10:57
wbadgerColossus, does it have to be a cmd-line program?10:57
viddAllex, yes...it does10:58
Colossusno but GUI uses libgphoto2 that it is used by gphoto2 cmd-line program..10:58
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viddAllex, you need to install something like pyneighboorhood10:58
vinzeI'm not into this, but I read this blog which had this post: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/02/easy-samba-browsing-with-xubuntu-feisty.html10:58
vinze(That's about pyneighbourhood ;-)10:59
Allexvidd: oki10:59
Allexvidd: i didnt find anything in synaptic on that name :(10:59
vinzeAllex, http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/02/easy-samba-browsing-with-xubuntu-feisty.html10:59
vinzeSingle "o" I guess11:00
viddAllex, its in universe.....pyNeighborhood11:01
vidd"N" is "n" (not capitalized)11:01
Allexvidd: oki, i just installed it, but when i click on the folder i want to see i get the message "failed to mount"11:02
vinze*Sigh* See http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/02/easy-samba-browsing-with-xubuntu-feisty.html11:02
vinzeAllex, you need to set the permissions as described in the post I linked to11:03
viddAllex, did you read the guide vinze posted?11:03
Allexoh...im looking into it now, tnx for the help11:03
Colossuscan someone post me the content of .config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc11:04
Colossusplease?11:04
vinze$ cat ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc11:04
vinzecat: /home/vincent/.config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc: No such file or directory11:04
Colossusgt[~] $ cat .config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc11:05
Jester45!pastebin11:05
Colossus[file-icons] 11:05
Colossusshow-home=true11:05
Colossusshow-filesystem=true11:05
Colossusshow-removable=true11:05
Colossusgt[~] $11:05
Colossussorry!11:05
ubotupastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)11:05
vinze$ ls ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/11:05
vinzebackdrops.list  icons.screen0.rc  menu.xml11:05
viddColossus, you have what i have11:06
ColossusI apologize. please accept it.11:06
Colossusvinze: you dont have that file?11:06
vinzeNope11:06
Colossuswhich xubuntu version do I have then?11:06
wbadgerColossus, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30384/11:06
vinzeI have Feisty11:06
viddas do i11:07
Jester45vidd could you download a file from vidd.us so i can test a bandwidth meter11:07
Colossusgt[2007-07-18--22:50] $ ls ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/11:07
Colossusicons.screen0.rc  xfdesktoprc11:07
Colossusgt[2007-07-18--22:50] $11:07
Jester45a large file would be nice11:07
viddJester45, sure11:07
viddill get the fiesty alt cd11:07
vinzeWeird...11:07
vinzeAnyway, gtg, laters11:08
Colossuswbadger: did you activate thunar-vol-man?11:08
viddJester45, running now11:08
wbadgerColossus, I don't know what that is11:08
Colossusappications->settings->settings-Manager->filemanager setings11:09
wbadgerColossus, that file you asked for just contains information about whether you want to see some icons on your desktop..11:09
wbadgerColossus, I have "Enable Volume Management" ticked under "advanced" tab11:10
Colossusyes11:10
Colossusthat's explains why suddenly I dont have icons anymore after playing with thunar-vol.man11:10
Colossusyou didn't enable it?11:10
ColossusDon't do it!11:10
ColossusIt messed my system-11:10
wbadgerColossus, I don't think I did but it is enabled11:10
wbadgerColossus, it was probably enabled by default..11:10
Colossusmmm11:11
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Allexvidd: hmm...i just made what it says in the link but i still have the same problem11:13
viddAllex, i never use it...11:14
viddi keep my windows machines as far away from my linux boxes as possible11:14
viddand if i need to xfer files from one machine to another, i just ftp11:14
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Colossuswbadger: the icons are back but I had to manually change false to true in that file11:15
ColossusI also was able to download all the pictures and videos from my camera11:15
ColossusI dunno why I was unable before11:15
viddall the machines on my homew network have static IP's, so it is easy to install ftp servers and tell machine "a" to ftp into machine b and get  what it wants11:16
Colossus:-$11:16
wbadgerColossus, well seems to be fixed.11:16
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Colossuswbadger: :)11:16
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Colossusgoing to sleep good night11:18
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j1mchi all . . . was someone looking for me earlier?11:48
vidd_laptopyes...there was11:49
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ciro314hello. how could i listen to radio station on rhytmbox. it returns: playback error12:02
bad_cableshey, what is the debian tool to look at disk space use from the shell?12:10
TheSheep bad_cables no idea, but the general linux tool would be either 'df' or 'du', depending what exactly you mean12:11
bad_cablesi never use deb too much becuase after i set it up, it runs for years12:11
bad_cablesbut years ago, there was a command line app that would display all of the mounted hard disks, and their free space12:11
TheSheepbad_cables: you might have confused hannels :)12:11
TheSheepchannels12:11
TheSheepbad_cables: that's df12:12
TheSheepbad_cables: du counts the disk usage of a directory12:12
bad_cablesooooh...12:12
bad_cablesok12:12
TheSheep("disk free" and "disk use")12:12
bad_cablesi am using xubunt with amazing sucess12:12
TheSheepbad_cables: -h gives you nicer output12:13
bad_cablesfor what i do it really rocks... all the way arround12:13
TheSheepbad_cables: glad to hear you like it12:13
bad_cablesi cant see anything right now that can outpace the advancements of the linux community and specifically ubuntu... well the clear choice for any box is Xubuntu12:13
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bad_cablesi think that on the food chain of OS's out there, xubuntu is the clear meat eater supreme12:16
TheSheepbad_cables: xubuntu is weak in manpower and testers12:17
TheSheepbad_cables: we need more hands12:17
bad_cableswell i cant code, im not a coder12:18
Jester45you can help still12:18
TheSheepbad_cables: you can always test, translate or triage bugs :)12:18
TheSheepnot to mention writing documentation12:18
bad_cablesthat i can do12:18
bad_cablesi actually took classes in college about technical writing12:18
Jester45bad_cables, you can stay in here and help other users with their problems or on the forums12:18
bad_cablesand that i do, and even i dabble in spanish (self taught tho...)12:19
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bad_cablesi have to tell you a weird story, i am in south florida.. Ft. Lauderdale and i was at a resturant sitting at the bar and a man asked me how far he was from the beach12:23
bad_cableshe was there with 2 other friends and i told him one hour by bicycle and 20 minutes by car12:23
bad_cableshe then went back to his beer and talked up his sales convention12:23
bad_cablesto his friends, who i overheard were obviously coders fresh out of college working for banks12:24
bad_cableshe then said that he worked for MS12:24
bad_cablesand stated that this weekend MS is flying 20k people to Ft. Lauderdale12:24
bad_cablesfor a "sales convention"12:24
bad_cablesbecuase it is clear that they now concentrate on adds instead of software12:25
TheSheepbad_cables: they won't beat google in that :)12:25
TheSheepbad_cables: too late12:25
bad_cablesyeah i know, they are dying12:26
bad_cablesyou can call dell with your support tag# and they send you an Ubuntu disk for your box12:26
bad_cablesi know that because last night a printer guru friend of mine told me he wanted his for a collector's item12:26
TheSheepbad_cables: well, you can also just get it from shipit12:27
bad_cableswell dell doesnt charge he said...12:27
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vidd_laptopbad_cables, neither does ship-it\12:28
bad_cablescool12:28
TheSheepbad_cables: shipit doesn't charge either12:28

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