[05:44] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) Cubey: yes, i believe that is considered grouping to xfce ... just try it
[05:44] (Cubey/#xubuntu) I have grouping off
[05:44] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) oh
[05:45] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) i dunno
[05:45] (Jester45/#xubuntu) logs are back
[05:45] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) i've never noticed it
[05:45] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) anyhoo ... i've coded enough for one night
[05:45] (maxamillion/#xubuntu) laters
[05:45] (Jester45/#xubuntu) im with max
[06:42] <Cubey> hm, could the author of the spca50x driver module have been anymore vauge in their instructions?
[07:02] <snaapz> god damn it I just got a $45 parking ticket !!! O=)
[07:03] <snaapz> Must have been due to my grammmmer
[07:26] <Cubey> is there a way to disable the screensaver on anything full screen?
[07:29] <cellofellow> how do you mean?
[07:30] <Cubey> playing videos full screen keep getting interupted by the screensaver
[07:30] <cellofellow> killall xscreensaver before turning on the game
[07:31] <cellofellow> or set your timeout longer.
[07:31] <Cubey> mehh
[07:31] <Cubey> why the heck don't the video players just disable it?
[07:31] <Cubey> xfmedia for one
[07:32] <cellofellow> I know they try.
[07:32] <Cubey> hm
[07:32] <cellofellow> I get an error message from mplayer whenever it tries.
[07:32] <cellofellow> it used to work.
[07:32] <Cubey> yeah
[07:33] <Cubey> lets see if VLC's setting for it works
[07:34] <DvineLord> hrm
[07:34] <DvineLord> i get same error with mplayer
[07:35] <Cubey> sound is kind of bad on VLC :/
[07:35] <Cubey> it crackles a bit
[07:35] <DvineLord> i wish mplayer would just send a mouse movement around the time xscreensaver would come on
[07:35] <Cubey> yeah
[07:38] <Cubey> how do you set a default encoding for firefox? the one set now keeps displaying pages badly
[07:38] <Colossus73> hi
[07:39] <Cubey> hi
[07:41] <Colossus73> do someone know wht the printer applet failed to start?
[07:41] <Colossus73> I receive a message saying Unable to start the printer driver selection service
[07:41] <cellofellow> probably cause cups is all messed up
[07:42] <Colossus73> cupsd is running
[07:42] <cellofellow> I mean the configs.
[07:42] <cellofellow> gksu system-config-printer in alt+f2.
[07:43] <Cubey> regarding the screensaver issue, i think for mplayer you have to be using gnome. the error i get refers to gnome_screensaver_control()
[07:44] <Cubey> i'll just disable the screensaver for tonight and play the video and deal with trying it in gnome tomorrow I suppose
[08:03] <Colossus73> cellofellow: I will try tonight now I'm on Zenwalk, thank you
[08:55] <magic_ninja> this isgonna be tricky
[12:33] <tuna-fish> In what file does xfce4 store what programs to boot up at the start of the session, like xfdesktop and xfce4-menu-plugin?
[12:40] <gabkdlly> there is a graphical user interface for this purpose. I think you can find it under settings
[12:57] <tuna-fish> yes, but I need to fiddle with stuff that cannot be done with the gui. So far, I've found /home/tuna/.config/xfce4-session/xfce4session.rc, but it is almost empty.
[12:58] <tuna-fish> specifically, my desktop gets started before the panel and as double-buffering is on, this causes the desktop icons to be drawn twice, making the desktop look very ugly
[01:04] <TheSheep> tuna-fish: that's not how double buffering works XD
[01:04] <TheSheep> tuna-fish: the programs are stored in ~/.config/autostart/
[01:04] <tuna-fish> thanks
[01:05] <tuna-fish> TheSheep: I use conky, and I enabled DBE for it
[01:05] <TheSheep> tuna-fish: ah, but the things started with session are somewhere in the /etc/xdg/xfce4/
[01:06] <tuna-fish> and quite clearly, if I enable it, the icons first get drawn where they would be if there was no panel. Then panel appears, and they are drawn again on their proper spots, nut the ghosts are not removed
[01:07] <tuna-fish> *but
[01:13] <tuna-fish> finally found it, it's in /home/tuna/.cache/sessions
[01:13] <tuna-fish> kinda hidden if you ask me...
[01:35] <kalikiana> tuna-fish, Did you mean 'Thunar'. It's not the fish but the Nordic god. And yes, it *is* hidden on purpose.
[01:36] <tuna-fish> yes, but when you f*ck it up, it's hard to fix when you don't know where it is :)
[01:39] <kalikiana> So file a bug about the issue or to add an 'empty cache' button. ;)
[06:51] <Leite> hello
[06:51] <xBill> Leite: hi
[06:53] <maxamillion> hi hi
[06:53] <imLeite> i was having some problems installing ubuntu on a clevo 2800T (freezing while booting in live)
[06:53] <imLeite> so i went to try Xubuntu
[06:53] <maxamillion> same problem?
[06:53] <imLeite> different
[06:53] <maxamillion> really? ... strange ... they use the same kernel and sub-system
[06:54] <imLeite> boots to a part where theres a cursor (X) in the screen
[06:54] <imLeite> but can't move it
[06:55] <maxamillion> strange
[06:56] <imLeite> well, it moved, but like, 5/10mins after i tried it :P
[06:59] <imLeite> i've googled for some resolution for this kind of notebook, but no luck
[07:01] <imLeite> tried disabling acpi (ubuntu only) didn't work either
[07:05] <imLeite> the cursor moves (sometimes) but nothing changes, X cursor on black
[07:07] <imLeite> is there anyway to install withouth entering the live cd desktop?
[07:10] <maxamillion> imLeite: yes, download the "alternate cd"... it has a text mode installer
[07:10] <maxamillion> imLeite: what are the specs on your laptop?
[07:11] <imLeite> celeron 1.3, 128 ram, 16mb video (shared)
[07:11] <Alex_> hi everyone
[07:11] <imLeite> hi
[07:11] <Alex_> does anyone have the time to help me to install xubuntu
[07:12] <maxamillion> imLeite: yeah, you need the alternate cd... i think the livecd need 192mb of ram in feisty
[07:12] <maxamillion> !ask | Alex_
[07:12] <ubotu> Alex_: Don't ask to ask a question. Just ask your question :)
[07:12] <Alex_> :P ok:
[07:12] <sten> hello :)
[07:14] <Alex_> i have ubuntu 7.04 on the computer atm and i want to try out xubuntu. but when i try install it by klicking the intall icon on the livecd everything runs smoothly untill it starts to create the partitions, at this point i get a error message saying i dont have the persmition to access the disk and that the partitions could not be created
[07:14] <imLeite> thank you maxamillion, will try using alternate cd :)
[07:14] <sten> I installed Xubuntu on top of a already Ubuntu installation, and then removed Ubuntu (Gnome)...and now I See some things that are missing, icons etc in the menus...are there any left-over setting file that disrupt Xubuntu ??
[07:17] <maxamillion> sten: http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/purexfce
[07:17] <maxamillion> imLeite: anytime
[07:17] <sten> maxamillion, that's what I Have used :) exactly the commands
[07:18] <maxamillion> Alex_: i don't fully understand the question ... if you already have ubuntu installed you can just install xubuntu-desktop from synaptic/aptitude/apt-get /etc
[07:18] <sten> and from that site too
[07:18] <maxamillion> sten: interesting
[07:19] <sten> maxamillion, like for example: in the main menu where it says: "About Xfce"   ...I guess there shall be an icon, but there isn't, and some other part in the submenus too
[07:19] <maxamillion> sten: just a moment... let me check something
[07:19] <sten> and:  System -> Process manager
[07:20] <maxamillion> sten: oh yeah, thats normal .... certain things don't have pre-set icons
[07:20] <maxamillion> sten: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=791&slide=4
[07:20] <sten> also: Xfburn
[07:20] <maxamillion> sten: http://shots.osdir.com/slideshows/slideshow.php?release=791&slide=12
[07:20] <sten> I see
[07:20] <sten> heh
[07:21] <maxamillion> sten: i believe its because the icon theme that is being used doesn't have an appropriate icon to match that, i think other icon themes have a "fallback" icon that just gets kinda thrown in there for things like that
[07:21] <sten> maxamillion, Okey thanks...
[07:21] <maxamillion> sten: np
[07:22] <sten> I feel that Gnome is to heavy....Xfce makes system quicker
[07:23] <sten> but there some things that are more difficult that in gnome of course
[07:27] <exw> i've got this old sony vaio pII 366MB ram.  xubuntu runs fairly good/fast, but i'd like to make it use less cpu.  It seams ram is NOT a problem.  looking at the system monitor, i have never seen  xubuntu  use  the swap or go over 70% of the available ram.  The problem is the cpu load, wich spikes on maost operations.  Is there a way to reduce the cpu load?
[07:28] <exw> sorry i meant sony vaio pII 366mhz 128MB ram.
[07:28] <Hobbsee> greetings
[07:30] <maxamillion> hiya Hobbsee
[07:30] <xBill> Hobsee: hi
[07:31] <Hobbsee>  https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Xubuntu suggests that you guys need to find people to test your cds
[07:31] <xBill> exw: use another windowmanager ^^
[07:31] <Hobbsee> the usual rules about "dont try this on production machines", "it might eat your hard drive, and kill your dog" apply.
[07:31] <maxamillion> exw: you might try using a window manager such as openbox as a drop in replacement for xfwm, that could help a little
[07:33] <exw> xBill, maxamillion thanks... i've been reading about replacing xfce, but people are suggesting that as a solution for low ram... which does not appear to be a problem for me :-(
[07:35] <maxamillion> exw: well, you wouldn't replace xfce but you would just replace its window manager (a program called xfwm4) and as a side effect you would actually lower ram consumption but it should also help a little with cpu spikes
[07:35] <exw> ok thanks
[07:36] <maxamillion> exw: but in general, cpu spikes are going to happen on older hardware just because of the load they have to handle when launching applications or running certain plugins for heavier applications such as firefox
[07:36] <maxamillion> exw: anytime
[07:38] <maxamillion> exw: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Openbox <--- lots of information about openbox and the little snippet about "Openbox in Gnome" the information there can be applied to using it in xfce as well, you will just need to add the command "openbox --replace" to the autostarted applications found in applications->system
[07:38] <exw> maxamillion: great :-)
[07:40] <maxamillion> exw: i have used it before on older systems and i think its really nice and very clean looking for being so light weight (i recommend greatly that you also install obconf because it will make configuration a matter of clicking buttons instead of trudging through .xml configuration files)
[07:40] <exw> ok
[08:29] <gerro> some apps capture the mouse
[08:29] <gerro> but why can't I just breed more mice on the screen
[08:29] <gerro> never understood reason why :/
[08:29] <gerro> a mouse for each hand would be fun
[08:30] <gerro> maybe even a touchpad one for my feet
[08:30] <ablomen> gerro, well you can now actually
[08:31] <ablomen> just go to digg or slashdot or any other news site
[08:31] <gerro> ?
[08:31] <ablomen> multiple input device support hack is made
[08:32] <gerro> hmm found this gizmo app
[08:32] <gerro> says its recently available in gutsy
[08:36] <gerro> ah seems xorg 7.3 has better support for multiple input devices
[08:36] <gerro> scheduled for august release
[08:46] <Der-Tim> hi there...
[08:47] <Der-Tim> is there a .deb package of python-twisted in version 2.4?
[08:48] <TheSheep> !info python-twisted
[08:48] <ubotu> python-twisted: Event-based framework for internet applications (transitional package). In component main, is extra. Version 2.5.0-0ubuntu3 (feisty), package size 8 kB, installed size 60 kB
[08:49] <Der-Tim> i know that there's a 2.5 version
[08:49] <Der-Tim> but i need the 2.4 version...
[08:49] <TheSheep> aren't they backward-compatible?
[08:49] <TheSheep> well, check the repositiories for edgy or dapper
[08:49] <Jester45> get it from the archives
[08:49] <TheSheep> http://packages.ubuntu.com
[08:51] <gerro> wow 8kb kinda small
[08:52] <TheSheep> gerro: look at the dependencies :)
[08:52] <TheSheep> gerro: besides, it's mostly text
[08:57] <gerro> think I might try blackbox on this older comp I have
[08:57] <gerro> icewm seemed promising but still lags
[08:58] <gerro> thinking some xfce leftovers hanging around in ram
[08:58] <gerro> someone recommended trying xdm instead of gdm
[08:58] <maxamillion> gerro: either xdm or slim
[08:58] <gerro> never heard of slim
[08:58] <gerro> link?
[08:58] <TheSheep> it's not maintained anymore and not in the repositories
[08:59] <TheSheep> gerro: the only link left is on wikipedia XD
[08:59] <gerro> ?
[08:59] <gerro> which one you talking about
[09:00] <maxamillion> gerro: http://slim.berlios.de/
[09:00] <maxamillion> !info slim
[09:00] <ubotu> Package slim does not exist in feisty, feisty-seveas
[09:00] <TheSheep> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLiM
[09:00] <maxamillion> bah!
[09:00] <gerro> oh seems nice
[09:01] <maxamillion> huh ... its not in the feisty repo
[09:01] <maxamillion> gerro: its alright, i used it for a bit just to try it ... its right between xdm and gdm on features
[09:01] <TheSheep> maxamillion: never was
[09:01] <TheSheep> maxamillion: in the repos I mean
[09:01] <maxamillion> TheSheep: oh ... guess i installed it from the debian testing repo then
[09:02] <TheSheep> maxamillion: I find it annoying that it doesn't have a 'shutdown' button
[09:02] <maxamillion> yeah it was lenny
[09:02] <gerro> yeah guess they rely on ctrl alt del for shutdown
[09:02] <maxamillion> gerro: that just reboots afaik
[09:02] <gerro> but having that setup sucks because of all the noobs that may random shut you down during downloads or whatever
[09:03] <gerro> especially if they don't see some form of panel or icons on screen
[09:03] <TheSheep> gerro: why use a graphical login manager if you can't use mouse to operate it? :)
[09:03] <gerro> yeah I see your point
[09:03] <gerro> wonder if there anyway it can be worked in
[09:03] <gerro> maybe with different theme
[09:04] <maxamillion> gerro: i don't imagine noobs would be using slim in the first place
[09:06] <gerro> maxamillion: my little bro uses my laptop when I'm afk sometimes (he responsible for all those rude comments :P)
[09:06] <maxamillion> lol
[09:06] <maxamillion> gerro: fair enough
[09:07] <vidd> SURE he is....(jk)
[09:07] <vidd> =] 
[09:10] <vidd> can anyone recommend a torrent maker? preferably one with a .deb installer?
[09:11] <maxamillion> torrent maker? .... i've never thought to make a torrent
[09:12] <vidd> thats ok....i have a torrentflux server...and it has the tool built in
[09:12] <vidd> i just didnt see it b4
[09:18] <gerro> I've never made a torrent before..
[09:18] <vinze> It's not that difficult ;-)
[09:23] <maxamillion> i have before ... just don't anymore
[09:24] <vinze> I didn't before, then I had to distribute a 760Mb ISO ;-)
[09:48] <Merchelo> does jim cambell be on irc ?
[09:49] <maxamillion> Merchelo: ping him
[09:50] <Merchelo> like does he have a username? just wondering
[09:51] <maxamillion> Merchelo: oh, he doesn't appear to be online... but his username is j1mc
[09:51] <Merchelo> ok cool, just wondering, thanks maxamillion
[09:52] <maxamillion> Merchelo: i am talking to him on jabber ... he will be here in a moment
[09:52] <maxamillion> Merchelo: actually, he said to email him because he is working but he can respond within 5 minutes
[09:52] <Merchelo> ok cool thanks.
[10:37] <Colossus> hi
[10:37] <vinze> Hi
[10:37] <Colossus> I just tried to download from my camera
[10:38] <Colossus> a Kodak CX7530
[10:38] <Colossus> after issuing from the cmd-line; gphoto2 --get-al-files
[10:38] <Colossus> the pictures are being downloaded then after some minutes
[10:38] <Colossus> it suddenly stops and I get the letter D in task list:
[10:38] <Colossus>  5705 pts/0    D+     0:00 gphoto2 --get-all-files
[10:38] <Colossus>  5782 pts/1    Ss     0:00 bash
[10:38] <Colossus>  5800 ?        Ssl    0:15 /usr/lib/firefox/firefox-bin
[10:38] <Colossus>  5883 pts/1    D+     0:00 gphoto2 --auto-detect
[10:38] <Colossus>  5884 pts/2    Ss     0:00 bash
[10:38] <Colossus>  5891 ?        D      0:00 gphoto2 --list-ports
[10:39] <Colossus>  5892 pts/4    Ss+    0:00 bash
[10:39] <Colossus>  5895 pts/2    R+     0:00 ps ax
[10:39] <Colossus> I can't kill the process even with sudo
[10:39] <Colossus> what's up
[10:39] <maxamillion> thanks TheSheep
[10:39] <maxamillion> wait
[10:39] <Colossus> what is this behaviour?
[10:39] <Colossus> I just install it with apt-get install gphoto2 and it called the dependancies
[10:40] <maxamillion> !flood | Colossus
[10:40] <ubotu> Colossus: pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[10:40] <maxamillion> Colossus: next flood and i will have to kick you
[10:40] <maxamillion> TheSheep: sorry, i wasn't paying attention .... still chasing bugs in my shell, different ones ... i fixed the others, but bugs still the same
[10:41] <TheSheep> maxamillion: it was actually short :)
[10:41] <maxamillion> short-ish ... but i think the ubuntu irc people say more than 3 lines need to be pasebing
[10:41] <maxamillion> pastebined*
[10:41] <TheSheep> Colossus: does it stop on any particular file?
[10:41] <vinze> Colossus, I have no experience with Gphoto but have you checked their FAQ? http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/FAQ.html
[10:41] <Colossus> nobody has a clue? Why the gphoto2 process assumes the letter D?
[10:41] <Colossus> I have to reboot
[10:41] <vinze> Colossus, I have no experience with Gphoto but have you checked their FAQ? http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/FAQ.html
[10:41] <TheSheep> Colossus: or always after the same number of files?
[10:42] <Colossus> to have the gphoto2 task gone
[10:42] <Colossus> I can't find any message in the dmesg output
[10:43] <Colossus> where can I look for some info?
[10:43] <vinze> http://www.gphoto.org/doc/manual/FAQ.html
[10:44] <Colossus> I will reboot the machine
[10:44] <exw> where are the configuration files for the panel?
[10:45] <cellofellow> Settings -> Panel
[10:45] <vinze> ~/.config/xfce4/panel
[10:45] <exw> ok thanks
[10:47] <Colossus> bac kagain
[10:47] <Colossus> before downloading I activate thunar vol management
[10:48] <Colossus> now I don't have the icons on the desktop when pluggin a USB pendrive
[10:48] <Colossus> I disabled it again but still no icons
[10:48] <Colossus> can someone direct me where to look for hints?
[10:48] <wbadger> hey guys does anyone know how do I change the default program for opening a file type, other than the right click->properties-> opens with dialog?
[10:49] <vinze> What's wrong with that? ;-)
[10:49] <wbadger> vinze, I want to associate .exe files with wine and it isn't possible that way
[10:49] <vinze> Oh, right
[10:49] <exw> weird... battery monitor is not added to the panel
[10:50] <wbadger> vinze, it just says "kind: executable"
[10:50] <vinze> wbadger, Yeah, I got the same problem
[10:51] <Colossus> nobody download pictures from the camera here?
[10:51] <Colossus> it's really weird, the gphoto2 process became dead and I can't kill it
[10:52] <Colossus> my kodak cx7530 is not seen as a removable drive
[10:52] <Colossus> infact when I plugged in its icon didn't appear on the desktop
[10:53] <TheSheep> Colossus: is the camera active? some cameras will go into power saving mode when untouched...
[10:53] <Colossus> maybe can be I bug
[10:53] <Colossus> but I want to be sure before filing it.
[10:53] <Colossus> yes it is because the files are being downloaded
[10:54] <Colossus> then it suddenly stops and gphoto2 pocess assumes the letter D+
[10:54] <Colossus> in the ps ax output
[10:56] <wbadger> Colossus, maybe you can just use another program?
[10:56] <Colossus> in the dmesg output the usb mass storage driver is activated
[10:56] <Allex> i just installed xubuntu and have a question: how do i access other computers and the shared folders in my home network?
[10:56] <Colossus> hmm
[10:56] <Colossus> wbadger: what else to use? I use gphoto2 cmd-line
[10:57] <Allex> cant find anywhere i can browse the network as i could in ubuntu @ the system bar at the top
[10:57] <vinze> Allex, it's not possible by default I believe
[10:57] <Allex> huh? so xubuntu dosent have network support?
[10:57] <wbadger> Colossus, does it have to be a cmd-line program?
[10:58] <vidd> Allex, yes...it does
[10:58] <Colossus> no but GUI uses libgphoto2 that it is used by gphoto2 cmd-line program..
[10:58] <vidd> Allex, you need to install something like pyneighboorhood
[10:58] <vinze> I'm not into this, but I read this blog which had this post: http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/02/easy-samba-browsing-with-xubuntu-feisty.html
[10:59] <vinze> (That's about pyneighbourhood ;-)
[10:59] <Allex> vidd: oki
[10:59] <Allex> vidd: i didnt find anything in synaptic on that name :(
[10:59] <vinze> Allex, http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/02/easy-samba-browsing-with-xubuntu-feisty.html
[11:00] <vinze> Single "o" I guess
[11:01] <vidd> Allex, its in universe.....pyNeighborhood
[11:01] <vidd> "N" is "n" (not capitalized)
[11:02] <Allex> vidd: oki, i just installed it, but when i click on the folder i want to see i get the message "failed to mount"
[11:02] <vinze> *Sigh* See http://grumpymole.blogspot.com/2007/02/easy-samba-browsing-with-xubuntu-feisty.html
[11:03] <vinze> Allex, you need to set the permissions as described in the post I linked to
[11:03] <vidd> Allex, did you read the guide vinze posted?
[11:03] <Allex> oh...im looking into it now, tnx for the help
[11:04] <Colossus> can someone post me the content of .config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc
[11:04] <Colossus> please?
[11:04] <vinze> $ cat ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc
[11:04] <vinze> cat: /home/vincent/.config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc: No such file or directory
[11:05] <Colossus> gt[~] $ cat .config/xfce4/desktop/xfdesktoprc
[11:05] <Jester45> !pastebin
[11:05] <Colossus> [file-icons] 
[11:05] <Colossus> show-home=true
[11:05] <Colossus> show-filesystem=true
[11:05] <Colossus> show-removable=true
[11:05] <Colossus> gt[~] $
[11:05] <Colossus> sorry!
[11:05] <ubotu> pastebin is a service to post large texts so you don't flood the channel. The Ubuntu pastebin is at http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org (make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the #ubuntu channel topic)
[11:05] <vinze> $ ls ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/
[11:05] <vinze> backdrops.list  icons.screen0.rc  menu.xml
[11:06] <vidd> Colossus, you have what i have
[11:06] <Colossus> I apologize. please accept it.
[11:06] <Colossus> vinze: you dont have that file?
[11:06] <vinze> Nope
[11:06] <Colossus> which xubuntu version do I have then?
[11:06] <wbadger> Colossus, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/30384/
[11:06] <vinze> I have Feisty
[11:07] <vidd> as do i
[11:07] <Jester45> vidd could you download a file from vidd.us so i can test a bandwidth meter
[11:07] <Colossus> gt[2007-07-18--22:50] $ ls ~/.config/xfce4/desktop/
[11:07] <Colossus> icons.screen0.rc  xfdesktoprc
[11:07] <Colossus> gt[2007-07-18--22:50] $
[11:07] <Jester45> a large file would be nice
[11:07] <vidd> Jester45, sure
[11:07] <vidd> ill get the fiesty alt cd
[11:07] <vinze> Weird...
[11:08] <vinze> Anyway, gtg, laters
[11:08] <Colossus> wbadger: did you activate thunar-vol-man?
[11:08] <vidd> Jester45, running now
[11:08] <wbadger> Colossus, I don't know what that is
[11:09] <Colossus> appications->settings->settings-Manager->filemanager setings
[11:09] <wbadger> Colossus, that file you asked for just contains information about whether you want to see some icons on your desktop..
[11:10] <wbadger> Colossus, I have "Enable Volume Management" ticked under "advanced" tab
[11:10] <Colossus> yes
[11:10] <Colossus> that's explains why suddenly I dont have icons anymore after playing with thunar-vol.man
[11:10] <Colossus> you didn't enable it?
[11:10] <Colossus> Don't do it!
[11:10] <Colossus> It messed my system-
[11:10] <wbadger> Colossus, I don't think I did but it is enabled
[11:10] <wbadger> Colossus, it was probably enabled by default..
[11:11] <Colossus> mmm
[11:13] <Allex> vidd: hmm...i just made what it says in the link but i still have the same problem
[11:14] <vidd> Allex, i never use it...
[11:14] <vidd> i keep my windows machines as far away from my linux boxes as possible
[11:14] <vidd> and if i need to xfer files from one machine to another, i just ftp
[11:15] <Colossus> wbadger: the icons are back but I had to manually change false to true in that file
[11:15] <Colossus> I also was able to download all the pictures and videos from my camera
[11:15] <Colossus> I dunno why I was unable before
[11:16] <vidd> all the machines on my homew network have static IP's, so it is easy to install ftp servers and tell machine "a" to ftp into machine b and get  what it wants
[11:16] <Colossus> :-$
[11:16] <wbadger> Colossus, well seems to be fixed.
[11:16] <Colossus> wbadger: :)
[11:18] <Colossus> going to sleep good night
[11:48] <j1mc> hi all . . . was someone looking for me earlier?
[11:49] <vidd_laptop> yes...there was
[12:02] <ciro314> hello. how could i listen to radio station on rhytmbox. it returns: playback error
[12:10] <bad_cables> hey, what is the debian tool to look at disk space use from the shell?
[12:11] <TheSheep>  bad_cables no idea, but the general linux tool would be either 'df' or 'du', depending what exactly you mean
[12:11] <bad_cables> i never use deb too much becuase after i set it up, it runs for years
[12:11] <bad_cables> but years ago, there was a command line app that would display all of the mounted hard disks, and their free space
[12:11] <TheSheep> bad_cables: you might have confused hannels :)
[12:11] <TheSheep> channels
[12:12] <TheSheep> bad_cables: that's df
[12:12] <TheSheep> bad_cables: du counts the disk usage of a directory
[12:12] <bad_cables> ooooh...
[12:12] <bad_cables> ok
[12:12] <TheSheep> ("disk free" and "disk use")
[12:12] <bad_cables> i am using xubunt with amazing sucess
[12:13] <TheSheep> bad_cables: -h gives you nicer output
[12:13] <bad_cables> for what i do it really rocks... all the way arround
[12:13] <TheSheep> bad_cables: glad to hear you like it
[12:13] <bad_cables> i cant see anything right now that can outpace the advancements of the linux community and specifically ubuntu... well the clear choice for any box is Xubuntu
[12:16] <bad_cables> i think that on the food chain of OS's out there, xubuntu is the clear meat eater supreme
[12:17] <TheSheep> bad_cables: xubuntu is weak in manpower and testers
[12:17] <TheSheep> bad_cables: we need more hands
[12:18] <bad_cables> well i cant code, im not a coder
[12:18] <Jester45> you can help still
[12:18] <TheSheep> bad_cables: you can always test, translate or triage bugs :)
[12:18] <TheSheep> not to mention writing documentation
[12:18] <bad_cables> that i can do
[12:18] <bad_cables> i actually took classes in college about technical writing
[12:18] <Jester45> bad_cables, you can stay in here and help other users with their problems or on the forums
[12:19] <bad_cables> and that i do, and even i dabble in spanish (self taught tho...)
[12:23] <bad_cables> i have to tell you a weird story, i am in south florida.. Ft. Lauderdale and i was at a resturant sitting at the bar and a man asked me how far he was from the beach
[12:23] <bad_cables> he was there with 2 other friends and i told him one hour by bicycle and 20 minutes by car
[12:23] <bad_cables> he then went back to his beer and talked up his sales convention
[12:24] <bad_cables> to his friends, who i overheard were obviously coders fresh out of college working for banks
[12:24] <bad_cables> he then said that he worked for MS
[12:24] <bad_cables> and stated that this weekend MS is flying 20k people to Ft. Lauderdale
[12:24] <bad_cables> for a "sales convention"
[12:25] <bad_cables> becuase it is clear that they now concentrate on adds instead of software
[12:25] <TheSheep> bad_cables: they won't beat google in that :)
[12:25] <TheSheep> bad_cables: too late
[12:26] <bad_cables> yeah i know, they are dying
[12:26] <bad_cables> you can call dell with your support tag# and they send you an Ubuntu disk for your box
[12:26] <bad_cables> i know that because last night a printer guru friend of mine told me he wanted his for a collector's item
[12:27] <TheSheep> bad_cables: well, you can also just get it from shipit
[12:27] <bad_cables> well dell doesnt charge he said...
[12:28] <vidd_laptop> bad_cables, neither does ship-it\
[12:28] <bad_cables> cool
[12:28] <TheSheep> bad_cables: shipit doesn't charge either