[02:22] <Tophe1> Hey, has anyone here used Edubuntu on an older Dell laptop?
[02:23] <Tophe1> No one...? Is anyone here who has had luck with Edubuntu on an older computer in general?
[02:23] <Tophe1> I have an old Inspiron with 512 MB RAM and 2 GHz processor but it runs slowly and I'm not sure why.
[03:13] <Kamping_Kaiser> heh. thats stil new to me
[04:00] <joebob777as7> i can't figure out how to install wine on edubuntu... any ideas? it's not in the apt database
[04:31] <sbalneav> Evening all
[06:04] <Hobbsee> greetings all.  edubuntu cds for tribe 3 need testing, preferably before we release it.  the cds are at https://isotesting.stgraber.org/isotesting/build/Edubuntu
[08:23] <LaserJock> ogra: around?
[02:22] <scane> Hi. I am planning to use an old notebook with xubunut 7.04 to use as a client for edubuntu server 7.04
[02:23] <scane> s/xubunut/xubuntu/
[02:23] <scane> (the notebook pcmcia network card cannot pxe boot because it needs drivers loaded first)
[02:24] <scane> If I want to connect with X from the notebook to the server - is there a special way of config needed on the server?
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> you need to allow x connections from remote hosts
[03:06] <Kamping_Kaiser> not sure if feisty lets you do that though
[03:50] <mcsd> can someone help ... I can't seem to find specs on this Dell E173FPc 17" monitor and my OS display looks like a tv without reception
[03:51] <mcsd> the image is sliced and stretched
[04:04] <sbalneav_> Morning all
[06:29] <mcsd> can someone tell me how to refresh/reload gnome
[06:32] <sbalneav_> mcsd: what do you mean, exactly?
[06:33] <mcsd> ctrl+alt+bksp reloads xorg but I forget the terminal command
[06:33] <mcsd> sudo /etc/gdm restart?
[06:33] <sbalneav_> sudo invoke-rc.d gdm restart
[06:34] <mcsd> what is the init.d file?
[06:34] <sbalneav_> /etc/init.d/gdm
[06:34] <mcsd> what is the difference between the two?
[06:35] <sbalneav_> invoke-rc.d is the "proper" way to restart init files.
[06:35] <sbalneav_> If they ever decide to move the init files from /etc/init.d, invoke-rc.d will be changed to know about that.
[06:35] <sbalneav_> so, theoretically, it should work no matter where the init file is.
[06:36] <mcsd> ahhh so invoke-rc.d is similar to a script
[06:36] <sbalneav_> invoke-rc.d is a script, yes.
[06:36] <sbalneav_> that knows where the init scripts are, and calls them.
[06:38] <mcsd> sbalneav_: thank you
[06:38] <sbalneav_> NP
[06:47] <cbx33> ping stgraber
[06:49] <stgraber> cbx33: pong
[06:54] <cbx33> i see you're planning to rewrite tcm?
[07:06] <stgraber> cbx33: yes, I'm spending some of my free time working on another frontend to the python tcm module
[07:07] <cbx33> ahhh
[07:07] <cbx33> well i was interested in your idea to rewrite the VNC stuff
[07:07] <cbx33> that was on my agenda
[07:08] <cbx33> would you be interested in working on tcm as opposed to another front end?
[07:08] <stgraber> sure
[07:08] <cbx33> My dev time is going to be reduced a little
[07:09] <cbx33> and I've been hoping to find someone to collab with to make tcm even better
[07:09] <cbx33> I would much prefer to work with someone on it
[07:09] <cbx33> than someone to do all the work from scratch
[07:09] <stgraber> my VNC part is rather easy as I'm not using resized VNC window or any stuff like that but screenshots generated on the clients and store on the server
[07:09] <stgraber> then I simply show them as icon
[07:09] <cbx33> yes
[07:09] <cbx33> well
[07:09] <stgraber> and open vncviewer only when you double-click
[07:09] <cbx33> that was the way I was going to implement it
[07:09] <cbx33> how often are they updated?
[07:10] <stgraber> done every 5s and display refresh every 2s
[07:10] <cbx33> i see
[07:10] <cbx33> what's the CPU load on that
[07:10] <cbx33> you're taking a full screenshot using??
[07:11] <stgraber> I'd like to move the screenshot part to the clients themselves so with no load on the server
[07:11] <stgraber> scrot at the moment
[07:11] <cbx33> i see
[07:11] <cbx33> that was my plan
[07:11] <cbx33> hence why i left it with vnc
[07:12] <stgraber> I can't really talk about the CPU usage of the GUI as I'm running it on my laptop which is a Core 2 Duo :), even with 100 clients simulated refreshed every 2s it never went over 1% of CPU :)
[07:14] <cbx33> wow
[07:14] <cbx33> so you resize the screen
[07:14] <cbx33> or does scrot take small screenshots?
[07:14] <stgraber> and the thing I like the most with my GUI is the iconview part, being able to logout only a part of the class, or execute firefox for some of them, ...
[07:15] <stgraber> It took too much CPU load to resize after taking the screenshot, so I let gtk do that :)
[07:15] <stgraber> but when it'll run on the clients, resizing on them could be a good idea
[07:15] <stgraber> to have an even lower CPU usage on the server
[07:16] <cbx33> hmmm
[07:16] <cbx33> so where does gtk do the resizing?
[07:17] <cbx33> you just set the icon to be X.png
[07:17] <cbx33> and it resizes it?
[07:17] <cbx33> automagically?
[07:17] <stgraber> lsIcon.append((gtk.gdk.pixbuf_new_from_file_at_size(path,128,128), "Client "+clientid+"\n<i>"+item[1] +"</i>",item[2] ,item[1] ,int(item[0] )))
[07:18] <stgraber> creates an icon with "Client X", the username in italic below and the icon resized to 128x128
[07:19] <stgraber> I just checked, with a 1680x1050 screenshot shown 32 times and refreshed every 2 seconds, it takes ~8% of one of my core
[07:19] <stgraber> I'll do the same test with 128x128 screenshot
[07:20] <cbx33> ok
[07:20] <cbx33> I'm hoping to write a C based screen graber tightly integrated with X
[07:22] <stgraber> CPU usage is now ~4%
[07:26] <stgraber> CPU usage of 1.8% with refresh at 5s
[07:51] <LaserJock> ogra: got a second?
[08:27] <phitoo> Hello! I'm having a devil of time setting up etherboot on a CF card. The downloaded zhd image from ROM-O-MATIC just doesn't seem to work.
[08:28] <phitoo> I'm open to suggestions, if any?
[08:52] <sbalneav_> phitoo: CF card?  A PCMCIA card?
[09:08] <phitoo> sbalneav: Compact Flash card.
[09:09] <phitoo> sbalneav: Should behave as a hard disk.
[09:11] <sbalneav_> ah
[10:15] <unix4me> how do I add another clef in Denemo?
[10:21] <jaytux> exit
[10:28] <jm1111> Hello
[10:29] <jm1111> Is there anyone here that could provide advice over which flavor of ubuntu to install on a server for a school that would promarily be running mysql for a student information system?
[10:29] <stgraber> if you don't need a gui, simply install ubuntu server
[10:29] <jm1111> What if I would like a gui?
[10:30] <stgraber> then install any desktop flavour, but this will eat some memory for sure and add some possible vulnerabilities (on an intranet it's no problem though)
[10:31] <stgraber> you can also install a ubuntu-server and then add gnome on top of it but that'd be pretty similar than installing directly an ubuntu desktop and add server packages to it
[10:32] <jm1111> ok
[10:33] <stgraber> for me a server = headless computer, reason why I proposed ubuntu-server :) otherwise as ubuntu packages are available on all ubuntu flavour you can choose the one you like the most
[10:34] <jm1111> I have edubuntu currently installed and tried setting up a service to automatically run following directions as if it were ubuntu but for some reason it just wont run.  So now I'm thinking I should just install ubuntu and deal with the command line install...
[10:34] <jm1111> I definately agree with your logic
[10:36] <jm1111> Thank you for your help!!  I think I'll start working on setting up ubuntu server.
[10:36] <stgraber> the wiki is generally of great help for all server related things
[10:37] <stgraber> sometimes you even have many solutions to one precise problem :)
[10:37] <jm1111> great!  Thats handy! :)
[10:38] <jm1111> Has anyone hear heard anything about an open source ZIS?
[10:40] <stgraber> ZIS ?
[10:40] <stgraber> http://www.microsoft.com/education/zis.mspx <-- like this ?
[10:40] <jm1111> Zone Intregration Server ... School Interopability Framework ...
[10:41] <jm1111> Yup you got it exactly thats not open source though is it?
[10:43] <jm1111> Well I am just researching at this point in one of my searches there was some mention of ubuntu and openZIS but it seems to have died away.
[10:44] <jm1111> Its too bad ... it seems like it would be real handy for a guy in my position the way schools and data is going
[10:46] <jm1111> Anyway ... take care and thanks again for the advice!
[10:46] <stgraber> no problem and good luck
[10:46] <stgraber> :(
[11:51] <multik> greetings ogra :)
[11:51] <multik> I heard good news ;)