[12:37] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: well I must use launchpad for ubuntu packages :)
[12:37] <Tonio_> DaSkreech: otherwise svn is fast enought for me :)
[01:37] <nixternal> has anyone here really taken a good look at PCLinuxOS and tried to figure out why it is killing Ubuntu off in DistroWatch? I like the fact KDE is winning, but Kubuntu isn't the winner, according to them, to us it is though! :)
[01:38] <nixternal> it can't be the restricted stuff all that much anymore, because ubuntu offers that as well
[01:45] <Tm_P> it's kde, I bet
[01:56] <mhb> nixternal: it's our ugly website with little "marketing juice" ...
[01:58] <mhb> nixternal: but don't worry, we're working on that :o)
[03:44] <jjesse> evening
[04:02] <Tm_P> yo
[04:55] <jjesse> evning Tm_P
[05:07] <Tm_P> morning
[05:08] <Tm_P> you know what, I hate Windows
[05:08] <jjesse> why today?
[05:08] <Tm_P> I'm using it
[05:09] <jjesse> oh
[05:09] <Tm_P> bah. BAH!
[05:15] <jdong> Tm_P: install Interix, compile coreutils.... and you'll be happy again :)
[05:16] <Tm_P> bah
[05:16] <ScottK> nixternal: I added some stuff about kmail and gpg to your tribe 3 page.  Feel free to use it or not as you like (won't bug me either way).
[05:17] <Tm_P> morning excercises done, now shower
[05:17] <Tm_P> ...err, im becoming too hu-man, eek
[05:17] <jjesse> tribe 3 tomorrow?
[05:18] <ScottK> In theory.  I don't know of any reason why not.
[05:20] <nixternal> ScottK: thanks, I am going to use it, as you know more about all of it than I do
[05:21] <nixternal> now I need to figure out the rest of the stuff, but that shouldn't be hard...gotta finish this test first though
[05:21] <nixternal> back in a few
[05:21] <jjesse> good luck on the test
[05:21] <nixternal> hehe
[05:21] <ScottK> K.  It's technically accurate, but feel free to make it more marketingy.
[05:21] <nixternal> I am sitting at home taking it
[05:21] <ScottK> If that wasn't a word, maybe I'll file a patent on it.
[05:54] <ScottK> Good morning Hobbsee
[05:57] <Hobbsee> hey ScottK!
[05:57] <ScottK> It's very quiet here right now.  We are trying not to disturb nixternal while he takes a test at home.
[05:58] <Hobbsee> ahhh....
[05:59] <ScottK> Hobbsee: <whisper> I do have one question - what's the best way to determine if a source package has been removed?  libqt-ruby-qt4 in Gutsy in the package in question </whisper>
[06:00] <Hobbsee> ScottK: update, and check apt-cache madison foo, or use rmadison -u ubuntu foo, or check archive.ubuntu.com, or check the removal blacklist.  assuming it's actually been blackliste
[06:00] <Hobbsee> d
[06:00] <ScottK> Thanks.
[06:28] <nixternal> now I just need to submit this test
[06:49] <ScottK> nixternal: Good.  You have about 8 hours (as long as nothing spectactular happens) to get the release notes done....
[06:49] <nixternal> they only take an hour
[06:50] <nixternal> BUT...shoot I just remembered
[06:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: then you can help with the marketing team's notes too :P
[06:50] <nixternal> I don't have a vbox/vmware setup done yet
[06:50] <nixternal> bah, never
[06:50] <Hobbsee> nixternal: they seem OK.
[07:37] <nixternal> !info dolphin gutsy
[07:37] <ubotu> dolphin: File manager for KDE focusing on usability. In component main, is optional. Version 0.9.1-0ubuntu2 (gutsy), package size 1241 kB, installed size 2280 kB
[07:37] <nixternal> ooh, it is in main now..cool
[07:48] <nixternal_> who is editing the kubuntu tribe 3 page?
[07:49] <nixternal_> nevermind...the damn wiki just broke with authentication
[07:49] <Hobbsee> heh
[07:49] <nixternal_> ARGH!
[07:49] <nixternal_> I have a great idea..lets edit stuff a couple of hours prior to a release
[07:50] <Hobbsee> :P
[07:50] <Hobbsee> well, i'ts more like 7...
[07:50] <nixternal_> ya, but I would like to go to sleep soon :)
[07:52] <nixternal_> OMFG!
[07:52] <nixternal_> all of my damn edits are gone
[07:52] <nixternal_> every single one of them
[08:08] <nixternal> hrmm, I thought the color scheme has been changed for gutsy
[09:06] <nixternal> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/GutsyGibbon/Tribe3/Kubuntu
[09:06] <nixternal> DONE!
[09:29] <Hobbsee> nixternal: yay!  thankyou!
[09:39] <xerosis> nixternal: you've not changed to the new color scheme for the screenshots
[10:09] <nixternal> xerosis_: that is because it isn't on the tribe 3 cd
[10:11] <xerosis_> nixternal: ah okay, my bad
[10:11] <Riddell> nixternal: you rock
[10:11] <nixternal> Riddell: ya, it took me 2 times..the first time, the auth db went down and I lost all of my edits :(
[10:11] <nixternal> the 2nd time was a charm with kwrite locally
[10:12] <nixternal> why thank you!
[10:12] <Riddell> ** testers needed for the tribe 3 candidates alternate CDs
[10:16] <nixternal> added my cd testing input
[10:17] <nixternal> g'nite
[10:29] <Tonio_> hi ;)
[10:29] <Tonio_> Riddell: I've prepared packages for kdelibs, kds, katapult and ktorrent
[10:30] <Tonio_> Riddell: will upload once the freeze ends today
[10:30] <Riddell> Tonio_: just upload now
[10:31] <Tonio_> Riddell: oki
[10:35] <Stecchino> Riddell: is there a plan to upgrade knetworkmanager to 0.2?
[10:36] <Stecchino> just compiled it and it fixes a major bug
[10:36] <Riddell> we have knetworkmanager 0.2
[10:36] <Stecchino> ???
[10:36] <Stecchino> then why did I still have 0.1
[10:39] <Stecchino> Riddell: either you are mistaken or something is wrong with my apt db. because the latest version according to apt-cache is 0.1-0ubuntu12
[10:44] <Stecchino> I guess you meant it's in gutsy, sorry for the trouble
[10:47] <Riddell> Stecchino: 1:0.2~r686534-0ubuntu1
[10:47] <Riddell> well of course, we run gutsy here
[10:48] <Stecchino> I should to I guess
[10:48] <Stecchino> Had any progress with dolphin by default yet?
[10:49] <Riddell> no complaints so far :)
[10:50] <Stecchino> I'm using d3lphin right now, has backports from KDE trunk
[10:50] <Stecchino> doesn't look very different though
[10:50] <Stecchino> and general usability stuff like emptying the trash isn't implemented
[10:52] <Riddell> hmm, that's a bit of an oversight
[10:53] <Riddell> although we have the wastebin panel applet for that
[10:53] <Riddell> I wonder if it's easy to add actions to dolphin like that
[10:54] <Stecchino> I disabled the wastebin applet because dolphin didn't handle trash:/
[10:54] <Stecchino> so I got an error message when clicking on it
[10:55] <Stecchino> "Malformed URL trash:/"
[10:56] <Riddell> you disabled the panel applet because dolphin /didn't/ do it?
[10:56] <Stecchino> what's the use of the applet when you can not see what is in the trashcan
[10:57] <Stecchino> + I keep my panels to an absolute minimal size
[11:01] <Stecchino> another problem I see: because kcontrol is not easily accessible and systemsettings doesn't provide a way to change file associations, it's hard to change the default filemanager
[11:01] <Stecchino> unless you provide a new tab in "default applications"
[11:32] <Riddell> whee, linux.com starts video install tours with kubuntu http://www.linux.com/feature/117051
[11:32] <Riddell> mm, dig that cheesy music
[11:38] <Riddell> Tonio_: we don't have kmplayer-konq-plugins on the CD, do we need to re-add it?
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: yes
[11:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: well not important for tribe
[11:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: but kaffeine isn't able to do the same things, as for example ident correctly to the browser, so I'd say better keep it for the moment
[11:43] <Tonio_> Riddell: I'll have to submit the identification to the browser issue to kaffeine upstream
[11:48] <Riddell> added back to seed
[11:55] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I cant remember how to checkout kdesudo using bzr, can you elaborate ? :)
[11:57] <Riddell> https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk
[11:57] <Riddell> bzr branch http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-kdesudo/kdesudo/trunk
[11:57] <Riddell> or checkout from sftp if you have permissions
[12:04] <Tonio_> Riddell: thanks :)
[12:07] <Riddell> ooh, we're the subject of the linux install podcast too http://thelip.net/?p=54
[12:08] <Riddell> although I'm not sure what the point of an hours worth of audio only install commentry is
[12:09] <sebas> "... now we're waiting, it says 39% ..."
[12:09] <sebas> " ... the disk is busy (it has been for 8.34 minutes now) ..."
[12:16] <_StefanS_> Riddell: thanks
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: I'm just using sftp
[12:17] <_StefanS_> Riddell: works now :)
[12:17] <Riddell> _StefanS_: checkout or branch?
[12:17] <_StefanS_> checkout
[12:18] <Riddell> this is the most boring podcast I've ever heard
[12:18] <Riddell> well, not true, the linux tech link thing is worse
[12:18] <Riddell> but this is pretty tedius
[12:18] <Riddell> ooh, he's back at timezone
[12:21] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: I just checked out the latest kdesudo code.. maybe you should just comment out the code next time instead of removing it altogether.
[12:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I added a patch :)
[12:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: as I told you your code will be a patch
[12:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: I can't release a tarball that requires a kdelibs patch
[12:32] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: look in debian/patches
[12:32] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: uhm sorry, I forgot about that
[12:33] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: no pb
[12:33] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: how do I apply it manually? just with patch -p0 <diff ?
[12:35] <_StefanS_> Riddell: where to get those pre-tribe3 kubuntu isos?
[12:36] <Riddell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/
[12:38] <_StefanS_> thanks :)
[12:39] <_StefanS_> Riddell: it would be really nice to have the names of the iso's reflect if it was ubuntu or kubuntu, xubuntu.. I always end up mixing them
[12:40] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: seems like that patch needs some cleaning up aswell... my bad.
[12:40] <Riddell> _StefanS_: cjwatson is looking at changing the cdimages layout, but seems to be delaying it since it's a lot of hassle for people
[12:48] <_StefanS_> Riddell: ah ok, good thing they about it
[01:48] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to apply the patch : fakeroot debian/rules apply-patches
[01:49] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: to remove the patch : fakeroot debian/rules reverse-patches
[01:50] <Tonio_> _StefanS_: and to edit the patch on the fly : cdbs-edit-patch "name of the patch without extension"
[01:50] <Tonio_> then work on the code and do "exit" and that's it
[01:56] <_StefanS_> Tonio_: goody, thanks
[02:58] <doc__> hi there
[03:49] <Hobbsee> nixternal: you mention the feedback pages - does anyone actually look at them and file bugs?
[03:52] <Riddell> Hobbsee: a good number of people add comments
[03:53] <Riddell> they go into my inbox and they give me a bit of a feel for what is on our users minds
[03:53] <Riddell> I don't tend to reply to them though
[03:53] <Hobbsee> ah right
[03:54] <Riddell> sure, no point keeping old ones
[03:57] <shtylman> devs: I have some feedback for the current artwork in gutsy, who/where would be best to give that feedback (email or directly over irc or wiki maybe)?
[03:59] <mhb> shtylman: you can tell us all, but kwwii is the man behind it
[04:01] <ryanakca> shtylman: hmm... I would maybe send it to the k-devel ML... but, that's just me :)
[04:02] <kwwii> shtylman: you can tell me directly
[04:05] <ryanakca> kwwii: oh. Umm... you probably already know about it, but, the ksplash and kdm Kubuntu logo, whenever you get a chance, could you maybe fade out the "glow" on the right hand side?
[04:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: that needs done yes
[04:12] <Riddell> ryanakca: oor kwwii is busy on the mobile lark, but something like that could quite easily be done by anyone with some experience of krita/gimp
[04:12] <Riddell> although I don't think I have an original of that logo yet
[04:13] <ryanakca> If I get a copy of the original, I could touch it up
[04:13] <ryanakca> meenwhile, I'm working on the groupware server :)
[04:15] <Riddell> kwwii: got a copy of that logo?
[04:16] <shtylman> kwwii: I PMed you some ideas
[04:17] <Riddell> best to keep discussion in the open, other people might have comments too
[04:18] <shtylman> oh..sorry, didn't know...guess I will repeat:
[04:22] <shtylman> Well, my biggest input was toward the KDM login theme/screen. When it first came up a few things hit me that I was turned off by. The first one was the user selection list, although arguments can go back and forth on this, and I am sure there was a reason for turning it on, I feel that it takes up too much space (especially if there is only one user) and also ruins the clean image on the login screen. If you truncate that away and lea
[04:39] <Riddell> we do need to include a non-user list option
[04:39] <Riddell> but its not like the space was doing much good anyway
[04:42] <shtylman> true, I mean I turned the user list off, but the u/p fields didn't move over or center themselves as would be expected, so it just creates a bunch of dead space in an awkward pace
[04:42] <shtylman> *place
[04:52] <nixternal> mornin'
[04:57] <ScottK> nixternal: On the Tribe 3 feedback page it says, "look at the first post for reference", but there is no first post.
[04:57] <ScottK> nixternal: Good morning.
[04:57] <nixternal> I must have deleted that first post
[04:57] <Hobbsee> nixternal: fix it quickly :)
[04:57] <nixternal> haha
[04:58] <Hobbsee> nixternal: before i tell pitti to hit the ZOMG BIG RED BUTTON
[04:58] <nixternal> I am working on my final, and then going to meet Phil Rodriguez from KDE for lunch
[04:58] <ScottK> I'm just glad to do my bit for keeping nixternal busy.
[04:59] <nixternal> somebody hit the big red button on me last night
[04:59] <Riddell> nixternal: Phil is by you?
[05:00] <nixternal> Riddell: he is right down the road from my house right now...he is here on business
[05:00] <nixternal> Phil is from the UK I believe
[05:00] <Riddell> yes, Englandshire
[05:01] <nixternal> trying to get him to come to our LUG meeting on Sunday so we can do some KHC hacking
[05:03] <shtylman> question: the tribe 3 page says compiz will be availabel for kde by default? is this compiz fusion?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> available by default?
[05:04] <Hobbsee> nixternal: uh, compiz isnt enabled by default in kubuntu
[05:04] <shtylman> err sorry
[05:04] <Hobbsee> however, it's in main, yes
[05:04] <shtylman> I meant in the repos
[05:04] <nixternal> I know it isn't, but it was added to the list to be talked about
[05:05] <Hobbsee> nixternal: sure, but i dont really want people going around and saying "ooh, kubuntu notes talked about how compiz may be added - ZOMG< why havent htey added it yet, the devs are crap!!!"
[05:05] <shtylman> heh
[05:06] <nixternal> and I completely agree, however the big bossman put it up there for me to do :)
[05:06] <nixternal> haha
[05:06] <nixternal> make sure you point it accordingly
[05:10] <Hobbsee> nixternal: btw - ubuntuforums is .org
[05:10] <nixternal> haha, and you want to know the funny thing about that, I was looking dead at it when I typed that in as well
[05:10] <Hobbsee> haha
[05:10] <nixternal> [http://ubuntuforums.com Blah Blah]  is exactly how I did it too :)
[05:11] <Hobbsee> nixternal: oh, that's not that bad.  that just says it's available, not that it might be the default
[05:11] <nixternal> ya, Hobbsee if you would while you are there, just let them know it is in the universe repositories unless I already did
[05:12] <Hobbsee> i didnt bother
[05:12] <nixternal> hehe, ok
[05:12] <Hobbsee> i'm surprised it's not in main
[05:13] <nixternal> it won't be until it is super stable
[05:15] <Hobbsee> the rest of it already is...
[05:15] <nixternal> ya, forgot that Ubuntu is using it
[05:16] <nixternal> no reason to put the -kde in main if we aren't going to be shipping it I guess
[05:39] <shtylman> are the compiz packages in repos currently for compiz old? or fusion? and is there a plan to move to fusion?
[05:41] <Hobbsee> shtylman: the gutsy lot are close to current
[05:44] <shtylman> Hobbsee: gotcha, I guess I just get confused by the billion names related to those projects. I never figured out if they actually renamed the software to fusion or if that is the community name...oh well
[05:45] <Hobbsee> shtylman: heh.  who knows.  it'll probably change again by release
[05:45] <Hobbsee> shtylman: we're getting current snapshots, so...
[05:48] <shtylman> Hobbsee: has anyone done any packaging of Oxygen icons for gutsy kd3? or are the kde-devs against it?
[05:48] <Hobbsee> nixternal: ?
[05:48] <Riddell> shtylman: KDE artists are against it, so we won't
[05:52] <shtylman> Riddell: gotcha, figured as much
[05:55] <shtylman> Riddell: oh btw..I tried that dist-update tool, but it seemed to say that it was updating to 7.04 which didn't make sense to me so I stopped it
[05:55] <nixternal> Hobbsee: ?
[05:56] <Hobbsee> nixternal: thought you may have done the oxygen icons
[05:56] <nixternal> Riddell: lets also not forget that you can't use the Oxygen icons with KDE 3 because of the naming..that would take even more work to get done
[05:56] <Riddell> shtylman: ok, probably best to have stopped it :)
[05:56] <nixternal> although, someone has written a script on kde-look.org that supposedly does all of that for you
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and yes, you can announce on kubuntu.org
[05:57] <Riddell> voila
[05:57] <Riddell> well done Hobbsee
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: thanks :)
[05:57] <Hobbsee> Riddell: and to pitti
[05:57] <Riddell> you can go to sleep now Hobbsee :)
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: haha
[05:58] <Hobbsee> Riddell: yeah, well.  if i want to make it to the distro team meeting...
[05:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: do you know if Kubuntu / Ubuntu has an AUP that I could use for the server, or if I should just modify the one from SANS , and run it by someone? (If we need an AUP)
[06:00] <Riddell> we don't have one
[06:00] <Riddell> Hobbsee: I won't make it
[06:00] <Hobbsee> Riddell: ah
[06:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: ok, thanks :)
[06:06] <shtylman> is there anyone currently working on an app to make enabling/disabling desktop effects easy in kde? sorta like the gnome one? and would this be something that users could benefit from?
[06:07] <Riddell> shtylman: it would be nice to have.  there was a kcontrol panel for beryl and I don't know if it still exists, but it should be added there
[06:07] <Hobbsee> erm...that doesnt exist in gutsy, does it?
[06:08] <Riddell> I've not noticed it anywhere
[06:08] <ryanakca> kwwii: d'you have a copy of the Kubuntu logo used for KDM/ksplash?
[06:08] <Hobbsee> seeing as compiz is onw done by default, and such
[06:08] <Riddell> Hobbsee: the gnome one certainly still exists
[06:08] <Hobbsee> oh right.  si it used, though?
[06:09] <Hobbsee> the simple thing, of "enable blign"
[06:09] <Riddell> yes
[06:09] <Riddell> it's used, by people who eant to turn it off
[06:09] <Riddell> want
[06:10] <ScottK> fro/from
[06:10] <Hobbsee> heh
[06:10] <shtylman> if compiz is installed in (k)ubuntu by befault then there should deff be a way to turn it off
[06:10] <Hobbsee> the bling is cool, to a point
[06:10] <Hobbsee> shtylman: who said it will?  it's so darned picky
[06:10] <shtylman> yea
[06:11] <shtylman> Hobbsee: leaving it off is the rational thing to do...but having it installed might not hurt?
[06:11] <Hobbsee> shtylman: we'll see
[06:12] <ScottK> If having core KDE stuff like Kontact is optional to have installed in Kubuntu, the compiz being installed should definitely be optional.
[06:12] <Riddell> ScottK: there's no question of that
[06:13] <Riddell> it'll always be optional
[06:13] <Hobbsee> Riddell: what if mark demands it?
[06:13] <Riddell> that you can't turn off compiz?  I don't see that happening
[06:14] <ScottK> I'm ready to dist-upgrade my developmental laptop to Gutsy.  Is there a particular way to do the upgrade that it would be useful for me to test?
[06:14] <ScottK> Hobbsee: Then we'd need a remix called Kubuntu-useful.
[06:14] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no, that it's on by defauilt
[06:16] <kwwii> ryanakca: sorry, been working on another computer, just read the log
[06:17] <ryanakca> ScottK: Riddell probably has something better for you to test, but, maybe test the LVM on the alternate CD? I was having a bit of trouble with it a while back, but I think cjwatson has fixed it... *shrugs*
[06:17] <ryanakca> kwwii: ah, no problem :)
[06:18] <kwwii> http://sinecera.de/feisty_kdm2_dark2b.svg
[06:18] <ryanakca> kwwii: ah, thanks :)
[06:18] <ScottK> ryanakca: The machine is question isn't very peppy and is cranky about booting from CD, so I was more thinking about different ways I could upgrade the existing install.
[06:19] <ryanakca> ScottK: ah. then the dist-upgrader tool (which I don't happen to have a link to)... I'll try to locate it...
[06:20] <Riddell> changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-thing-development
[06:20] <Riddell> has the link
[06:20] <Hobbsee> haha, meta-thing-development?
[06:23] <Riddell> something like that
[06:23] <Hobbsee> oh, c.u.c/atomic/... ?
[06:24] <ryanakca> ScottK: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/gutsy.tar.gz    methinks :)
[06:24] <ryanakca> hehe :D
[06:28] <apachelogger> ScottK, Hobbsee, Riddell: http://revu.tauware.de/details.py?upid=6104 package got rejected due to missing LGPL file, please upload again :)
[06:31] <ScottK> apachelogger: I'm about to do a dist-upgrade.  If the box survives and no one else gets to it first, I'll attend to it later.
[06:31] <apachelogger> ScottK: awesome, thanks
[06:37] <Riddell> Hobbsee, nixternal: do tribes get announced on fridge?
[06:38] <Hobbsee> Riddell: no idea if they are, but i expect they should be
[06:38] <Hobbsee> it's already on planet
[06:38] <Riddell> suse people are announcing their alpha on their new news site is what reminded me
[06:42] <shtylman> anyone know if the new plasma replacement for kicker will be just as big? or has there ever been a time when kicker wasn't so huge?
[06:44] <Riddell> you can resize kicker all you like
[06:44] <ScottK> The dist-upgrader tool says "Upgrading Kubuntu to Version 7.04", but it's actually doing a Gutsy upgrade (I killed it and checked sources.list) and restarted.  Known issue? File a bug? Don't sweat it?
[06:45] <Riddell> ScottK: may as well file a bug (on update-manager)
[06:45] <shtylman> ScottK: same thing happened to me
[06:45] <ScottK> Riddell: Will do.
[06:46] <shtylman> Riddell: true...but yet distro after distro and release after relese it is default to a large size...think the same will be the case for plasma whatever? or have the kde-devs changed their ways?
[06:46] <shtylman> I am just curious...cause they keep everything so hush hush
[06:47] <Riddell> nothing is hush hush, there's a plasma mailing list and channel, but I suspect such minutae havn't been decided yet
[06:48] <ScottK> That's impressive... Bug list for update-manager: 1   75  of 547 results...
[06:52] <ScottK> Bug #127011
[06:52] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 127011 in update-manager "Still says upgrading to 7.04 even though it's upgrading to Gutsy" [Undecided,New]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/127011
[08:19] <ScottK> Riddell: I am currently stuck on Bug #107188 and can reproduce it (two times now).
[08:19] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER]  [kde]  Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107188
[08:20] <Riddell> ScottK: erg, bugger
[08:20] <ScottK> I have to run out for a couple of hours.
[08:20] <Riddell> that's a nasty bug, I don't know where to start with it
[08:20] <ScottK> I'll leave it where it is (upgrade downloaded, but not installed).
[08:21] <ScottK> If you need stuff tested, troubleshooting, or data, I can help with that.
[08:22] <ScottK> From what I can guess, I suspect the OOMK firing off because memory really was out.
[08:22] <ScottK> Apport got killed too when it tried to report the bug.
[10:05] <ScottK> Riddell: I'm back if you thought of any spectular update-manager KDE tests you want to try.
[10:25] <ScottK> I had the brilliant idea that maybe it would work correctly with Python2.4, but no luck.  Same crash.
[10:27] <ryanakca> kwwii, Riddel: hmm. It (KDM & Ksplash kubuntu logos) look fine in inkscape, I'm guessing maybe when exported to png, part of it got cut off? So, all that I'd have to do is reexport it, stick the fixed version in k-d-s and commit?
[10:29] <kwwii> ryanakca: to be honest, I was thinking of updating the logos anyway :-)
[10:29] <ryanakca> kwwii: okies, then I won't bother :)
[10:29] <kwwii> oh, no...feel free to update what you have done
[10:29] <kwwii> definitely
[10:30] <ryanakca> kwwii: I haven't done anything other than look at it in inkscape... the original for the current logo is feisty_kdm2_dark2b, right?
[10:31] <kwwii> ryanakca: yes, it should be, if that one doesn't look right then I can give you another version
[10:31] <kwwii> at this point, we can change what we want and still fix it later
[10:31] <ryanakca> kwwii: nope, it looks fine, so I can just export it, and it should work?
[10:32] <kwwii> yepp
[10:32] <ryanakca> (despite a couple '** (inkscape:9627): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file: /home/kwwii/Desktop/menu.png
[10:32] <ryanakca> ' style errors)
[10:32] <kwwii> ryanakca: there is an invisible box around the logo that I used to export it to the right size
[10:33] <ryanakca> kwwii: ah, ok.
[10:40] <ryanakca> kwwii: is there a set ration for the transparent box, and transparent box to logo?
[10:40] <ryanakca> or just eyeball it?
[10:40] <ryanakca> (kdm theme)
[10:41] <kwwii> I just did it by eye
[10:42] <kwwii> we still need to update the xml of the list theme anyway
[10:42] <ryanakca> ok
[10:55] <ryanakca> kwwii: done, how does this look? http://blog.ryanak.ca/?attachment_id=34 ?
[10:56] <kwwii> Sorry, no posts matched your criteria.
[10:56] <ryanakca> would you like the .svg as well?
[10:58] <kwwii> ryanakca: yeah, anything we put it should have an svg available
[11:00] <manchicken> kwwii: BTW, I haven't mentioned that the new login screen looks pretty badass.
[11:00] <kwwii> manchicken: good to hear that you like it
[11:00] <kwwii> ryanakca: do you have an updated link?
[11:00] <manchicken> kwwii: It'll look even better once I get my new Dell.  High contrast 14.1" widescreen :)
[11:00] <ryanakca> kwwii: blog.ryanak.ca/gutsy_kdm-idea.png
[11:01] <ryanakca> kwwii: blog.ryanak.ca/gutsy_kdm.svg
[11:02] <kwwii> ryanakca: in order to get the rounding correct on the box you should draw a new one and then copy the old one and paste it's style into the new one
[11:03] <kwwii> but for the moment it is probably better than what we have now
[11:03] <ryanakca> lost me there :)
[11:04] <kwwii> well, the rounding on the box is not even
[11:04] <ryanakca> ah, even it out?
[11:04] <kwwii> exactly
[11:04] <kwwii> but I think there are several boxes overlaying one another iirc
[11:04] <ryanakca> hmm. There are
[11:05] <kwwii> if we could just use svg as gdm does
[11:05] <ryanakca> hehe
[11:06] <kwwii> I have a dream! of a desktop with full svg support
[11:07] <ryanakca> well, then, learn C++, and fulfill your dream :)
[11:08] <kwwii> guess I will stick to the job that pays money for now
[11:08] <TheInfinity> i have a dream! full file transfer support in messengers ;)
[11:09] <mhb> I have a dream! of a SVG application that is able to import and open images in a consisent way
[11:09] <ScottK> I have a dream! An update-manager that doesn't crash.
[11:09] <mhb> good thing we all have dreams
[11:11] <kwwii> perhaps we should rename bugs into dreams
[11:12] <manchicken> Hold your breath for 15 minutes and all your problems will disappear.
[11:12] <manchicken> I had a teacher that told me that once.
[11:13] <kwwii> in your case I would say he/she had a reason :p
[11:13] <kwwii> lol
[11:13] <manchicken> And people wonder why I developed such a distaste for the US public education system.
[11:14] <manchicken> kwwii: Well, one day I called him on it.  I brought in a stop watch.  I held for a minute, took a break, went for another minute, took a break.  Did that for a while.
[11:15] <manchicken> He never said it had to be 15 consecutive minutes.
[11:15] <kwwii> manchicken: and my 5th grade teacher nicknamed me "preacher"
[11:17] <ryanakca> kwwii: hm.. Ok, I set Rx and Ry for all the rectangles to 8.000 , however, the rounding looks different at the top and bottom, because of my resolution distorting stuff.
[11:17] <manchicken> kwwii: Yeah?  My 5th grade teacher forced ritalin on me.
[11:18] <ryanakca> should I compensate for that, or no?
[11:18] <kwwii> ryanakca: right, you need to make the pic approxiamtely the same proportions and make sure the rounding looks right at that ratio
[11:18] <kwwii> editing the xml to fit as needed
[11:19] <ryanakca> kwwii: ok, will do.
[11:19] <kwwii> ryanakca: thanks so much for taking this stuff on - great to have some help on the artwork :-)
[11:20] <ryanakca> kwwii: no problem :)
[11:21] <odla> what would be the best way to upgrade to gutsy from feisty?  adept-updater or using aptitude?  i don't mind testing the updater or something to make this useful
[11:22] <ScottK> update-manager needs testing.
[11:23] <ScottK> odla: http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/gutsy/main/dist-upgrader-all/current/gutsy.tar.gz
[11:25] <odla> ScottK: ok so tarball no deb package?
[11:25] <ScottK> Yeah.
[11:25] <odla> and that's for kubuntu too?
[11:26] <ScottK> Download that, unpack it in a convient directory, and then run python dist-upgrade.py
[11:26] <ScottK> Yes.
[11:26] <odla> ScottK: 'sounds' easy enough ;)
[11:29] <ScottK> Up until the part where it crashes, in which case you may get to comment on bug 107188
[11:29] <ubotu> Launchpad bug 107188 in update-manager "[MASTER]  [kde]  Upgrade tool crashed with " Cannot allocate memory" (edgy -> feisty)" [High,Confirmed]  https://launchpad.net/bugs/107188
[11:29] <ScottK> At least I did.
[11:29] <odla> ScottK: for the record ... this will be a vanilla kubuntu feisty
[11:30] <ScottK> How much RAM in your box?
[11:31] <odla> 2 GB
[11:31] <ScottK> I'd expect you'll be fine then.  They bug what got me mostly affects low memory systems.
[11:33] <odla> ok
[11:33] <odla> i'll be back ... i need to reboot and i'll let you know when i run the upgrade-manager if i run into issues
[11:44] <odla> ScottK: when did you have that low memory error?  near the end?
[11:44] <ScottK> After downloading, before installing.
[11:45] <odla> ScottK: ok
[11:52] <odla> are there plans for a restricted-manager for kubuntu like the one in ubuntu?
[12:00] <mhb> odla: you mean the restricted-manager for drivers? Yes.
[12:00] <odla> mhb: yeah the GUI
[12:02] <mhb> odla: some people say restricted-manager and think codec installation
[12:03] <odla> mhb: oh sorry i meant restricted-manager for hardware not codecs
[12:09] <mhb> odla: yes, that would be in gutsy
[12:10] <odla> ok