[12:20] New bug: #126877 in soyuz "Package archive listing doesn't link to the packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126877 === mtaylor [n=mtaylor@12.146.146.25] has joined #launchpad === Amaranth [n=travis@ubuntu/member/Amaranth] has joined #launchpad [12:32] how do i link https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/126876 to http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=458110 ? [12:33] Launchpad bug 126876 in Ubuntu "Ubuntu should have Mind Mapping software" [Undecided,New] [12:51] New bug: #126879 in soyuz "Person's archive page lacks instructions on how to add it as a repository" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126879 [12:51] New bug: #126880 in soyuz ""When" column in PPA table is ambiguous" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126880 === pcardune__ [n=pcardune@192.34.239.226] has joined #launchpad === pcardune [n=pcardune@192.34.239.226] has joined #launchpad === phanatic [n=phanatic@212.2.21.2] has joined #launchpad === iwj [n=ian@xenophobe.extern.relativity.greenend.org.uk] has joined #launchpad === pcardune__ [n=pcardune@192.34.239.226] has joined #launchpad === pcardune [n=pcardune@192.34.239.226] has joined #launchpad === superm1_ is now known as superm1 === jml [n=jml@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad [01:41] How do I mark a bug as a duplicate of another bug? [01:42] bmm, in the pink box near the top left [01:42] Ah, found the button, sorry! [01:42] oh, just to late, but thanks mpt ! [01:42] No apology needed, it's our fault [01:43] too many links in that box :-) [01:46] Well, thanks anyway and I'll be back another day! === mantiena-baltix [n=ubuntu@ctv-84-55-4-28.init.lt] has joined #launchpad [01:47] cprov-afk: sleeping ? === Fujitsu [n=fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] has joined #launchpad [02:01] mantiena-baltix: not yet [02:06] cprov-afk: ppa doesn't work, problem is not in signing - I'm trying upload signed sources and changes file but orig.tar.gz gets time-out [02:08] mantiena-baltix: is you connection working correctly ? how big is the orig ? [02:08] 700 kb, internet connection is ok, I'm uploading 100x bigger files [02:10] cprov-afk: I can upload signed .dsc, .changes, .diff.gz and orig.tar.gz files to public ftp and you can try to upload with my ~/.dput.cf === pcardune [n=pcardune@192.34.239.226] has joined #launchpad [02:14] cprov-afk: what you think ? [02:15] mantiena-baltix: not sure what is happening, other users, including me are able to use it === merriam__ [n=merriam@82-133-115-120.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #launchpad [02:19] cprov-afk: I've uploaded signed .dsc, .changes, .diff.gz and orig.tar.gz files to ftp://ftp.akl.lt/Linux/Baltix/Baltix-Ubuntu-packages/feisty/gparted - please, try to upload to ppa as user mantas [02:20] mantiena-baltix: I've just upload a 1.4Mb orig it worked ... Can you try again, please ? [02:21] cprov-afk: I'm trying for about 10 times... [02:21] mantiena-baltix: okay [02:21] same error - 'Connection timed out' [02:26] mantiena-baltix: 00:21:02 DEBUG Session from 84.55.4.28:40629 [02:26] mantiena-baltix: and the session never ends [02:27] mantiena-baltix: On normal uploads I have; [02:27] 00:16:29 DEBUG Session from 201.72.172.10:36311 [02:27] 00:19:21 DEBUG Processing session complete in /tmp/tmpJXHw7H-poppy [02:28] cprov-afk: so, where is the problem ? [02:29] mantiena-baltix: sorry, but apart of any weirdness in our DC, it can only be in your side. [02:30] cprov-afk: so, you uploaded my signed gparted sources without problems ? [02:31] mantiena-baltix: no I didn't. I can do it now [02:31] cprov-afk: wait a minute, I try to upload from different server [02:34] mantiena-baltix: check the dput output -> Checksum doesn't match for (...)gparted_0.3.3.orig.tar.gz [02:35] cprov-afk: where I can see this ? [02:36] mantiena-baltix: in dput output, after issuing 'dput mantas gparted_0.3.3-2feisty3_source.changes' [02:40] cprov-afk: I don't get such errors - I've uploaded successfully from another machine (from different internet provider), it seems my internet provider forbids ftp :( [02:41] mantiena-baltix: the files I downloaded from the ftp address you gave were corrupted (or get corrupted in my machine), anyway I rebuilt it and upload w/o problems to my PPA [02:42] cprov-afk: I've pasted log to you privatelly [02:44] cprov-afk: it seems my uploads were rejected :( I just got email from launchpad with error: [02:44] could not find PPA for 'mantas' :( [02:45] mantiena-baltix: you have to 'Activate' you PPA in https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~mantas [02:49] cprov-afk: hehe, PPA contents description was empty :) [02:49] mantiena-baltix: sorry ? [02:50] New bug: #126896 in soyuz "don't list PPAs with zero packages" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126896 [02:52] cprov-afk: when I activated PPA I got some page with empty ' PPA contents description' ;) [02:53] mantiena-baltix: you are supposed to fill it. Isn't it clear enough ? [02:53] No, I thought that there was a bug :) [02:54] mantiena-baltix: I'm not following you ... should we guess a description suitable for your PPA ? [02:56] Sorry, I don't understand you. My local time is 4 hours after midnight, I should sleep for about 4 hours .. :) [02:57] maybe I'm sleeping and dreaming now ? ;) [03:03] mantiena-baltix: maybe ... === pcardune [n=pcardune@71-215-15-116.spkn.qwest.net] has joined #launchpad [03:03] cprov-afk: in any case I already got email from launchpad with word "Accepted" in subject ;) [03:04] mantiena-baltix: great [03:04] so, thank you very much - I'm trying to disconnect from internet in my dream ... [03:07] cprov-afk: How long I should wait for binaries in http://ppa.dogfood.launchpad.net/mantas/ubuntu/pool/main/g/gparted/ ? [03:09] mantiena-baltix: check https://dogfood.launchpad.net/~mantas/+archive/+builds [03:19] cprov-afk: build was successfull on amd64, I hope there will be no problems on i386 too, thank you very much and good bye :) [03:20] mantiena-baltix: bye === mantiena-baltix [n=ubuntu@ctv-84-55-4-28.init.lt] has left #launchpad ["Ex-Chat"] [03:56] New bug: #72083 in launchpad "Confirmed email addresses portlet overlaps over the arrow that expands the portlet" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/72083 [04:15] New bug: #126907 in launchpad "Need a less ambiguous "Private" icon" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126907 === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.78.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad === shawn__ [n=shawn@h46078c1b.area7.spcsdns.net] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === jamesh [n=james@canonical/launchpad/jamesh] has joined #launchpad === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #launchpad === who_cares [n=cameron@71-12-166-197.dhcp.gwnt.ga.charter.com] has joined #launchpad [06:53] spiv: ping [06:53] lifeless: ping === jml [n=jml@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad [06:57] pong [06:57] lifeless: @ -motu :) === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-100-168.cpe.cableone.net] has joined #launchpad [06:58] ;0 === desertc [n=mmm@c-68-52-118-61.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has joined #launchpad [07:14] Hello - referring to https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-screensaver/+bug/59688 - what does it mean when someone says the bug is "fixed upstream", as is said in the last comment? [07:14] Launchpad bug 59688 in totem "screensaver starts when movie plays" [Undecided,Invalid] - Assigned to Ubuntu Desktop Bugs (desktop-bugs) [07:17] It means Gnome has already fixed the bug and the fix will be in Gutsy. [07:17] yay! thanks - I will inform this blogger: http://kyliewillison.blogspot.com/2007/06/totem-screensaver.html [07:20] see also https://launchpad.net/launchpad/+spec/upstream-terminology [07:22] Launchpad is going down in 15 mins for a code update. Estimated downtime is approx 45mins. === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Launchpad is offline for an update, should be back within ~45 minutes | Next developer meeting: Thu 19 July 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Launchpad help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === beuno [n=martin@ubuntu/member/beuno] has joined #launchpad === fernando1 [i=ariel@gateway/tor/x-88fa1f271864e703] has joined #launchpad === Paracha [i=Coder@Is.A.TclCoder.Org] has joined #launchpad [07:51] Thanks for your help. === desertc [n=mmm@c-68-52-118-61.hsd1.tn.comcast.net] has left #launchpad [] === shawn__ [n=shawn@adsl-70-231-227-173.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net] has joined #launchpad === flint-dude [n=bubba2@cpe-066-056-211-072.ec.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === ..[topic/#launchpad:mpt] : Launchpad - https://launchpad.net/ | Next developer meeting: Thu 19 July 2007, 1400UTC (wiki:MeetingAgenda) | launchpad-users@lists.canonical.com (wiki:MailingLists) | Launchpad help: https://help.launchpad.net | Channel logs: http://tinyurl.com/72w39 === mwh_ [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === codyl [n=codyl@adsl-71-142-81-102.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net] has joined #launchpad [08:21] Rollout Complete, Launchpad back up [08:40] New bug: #126924 in malone "second-stage guided filebug form needs UI improvement" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126924 === mwh__ [n=mwh@62-31-157-102.cable.ubr01.azte.blueyonder.co.uk] has joined #launchpad === allenap [n=allenap@212.233.38.164] has joined #launchpad === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === kompressor [n=kompress@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #launchpad [09:07] The whitespace between the whats new message and the trailing full stop is a bug or a feature? [09:08] can launchpad merge teams yet? [09:08] siretart: no [09:09] stub: can you perhaps make https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-motu less confusing? [09:09] Nope [09:09] That looks all autogenerated [09:10] stub: I just got an email from a confused ubuntu user asking me as a MOTUMedia member about a package maintained by ubuntu-motu [09:10] And changing the data to change the rendering would break stuff I suspect [09:10] I'm not exactly sure what the bug here is, though [09:11] it seems to me that a launchpad user called 'ubuntu-motu' was created [09:11] which doesn't make sense. there is a team https://launchpad.net/~motu, which should be the maintainer of all the packages [09:16] The problem is that LP needs a team with ubuntu-motu@lists.ubuntu.com as an email address. [09:16] Setting that as the motu contact address would mean the ML got a lot of bugmail, which is a Bad Thing. [09:16] right [09:16] It would be nice to change the name of that user, though. === Fujitsu hints. [09:17] It has been like that since DebianMaintainerField came into effect :( [09:20] New bug: #126926 in launchpad "what's new message has spurious whitespace" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126926 === rraphink [i=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #launchpad === mwh__ is now known as mwhudson === ddaa [n=david@canonical/launchpad/ddaa] has joined #launchpad === xerosis_ [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad [10:00] Gooooooooooooooood evening Launchpadders! === gmb [i=gmb@nat/canonical/x-e6403fbc9e763d0b] has joined #launchpad === mrevell [n=matthew@canonical/launchpad/mrevell] has joined #launchpad === dneary [n=dneary@mne69-9-88-163-116-163.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #launchpad === PriceChild [n=pricechi@ubuntu/member/pricechild] has joined #launchpad === ryanakca [n=ryan@ubuntu/member/ryanakca] has joined #launchpad === aLTer [n=a@pdpc/supporter/student/alter] has left #launchpad [""] === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad === schwuk [n=dave@ubuntu/member/schwuk] has joined #launchpad === bmm [n=chatzill@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has joined #launchpad [10:43] I was here like 14 hours ago asking about uscan https support. The next version of uscan (release but not in ubuntu yet: version 2.10.6) has support for https in uscan. So launchpad can keep hosting files under https as they should (IMHO). === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === bmm [n=chatzill@cc400801-a.groni1.gr.home.nl] has left #launchpad [] === mwh_ is now known as mwh === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad [11:12] ugh [11:13] Just went to report a bug, and discovered that a bug with exactly the same title had been reported two days ago by Matthew Paul Thomas [11:13] He always beats me to it === intellectronica [i=intellec@nat/canonical/x-2dcddc16509ea1fe] has joined #launchpad [11:13] :) === porthose [n=charliej@24-119-100-168.cpe.cableone.net] has left #launchpad [] [11:18] How often does malone process e-mail (incoming ones)? [11:18] soren: every 5 minutes [11:19] BjornT: So.. If it's been 15 mintues now and nothing has happened, then what? [11:19] soren: i'll check the error logs to see i can find something [11:19] BjornT: Bug #126845 if it helps at all [11:19] Launchpad bug 126845 in iptables "TARPIT extension broken" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126845 [11:19] BjornT: Sender address: soren@ubuntu.com [11:20] BjornT: Will the message-id do you any good? [11:21] soren: no, i've found the message, let me just check what went wrong... [11:21] BjornT: Cool. [11:25] New bug: #126941 in soyuz "Source package page title doesn't mention the package" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126941 [11:25] soren: found the bug; it breaks if you say that it affects another source package, while assigning it to a team with no contact address. i'll file a bug about it. === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad [11:35] New bug: #126943 in malone "OOPS when assigning a bug to a team with not contact address at the same time a new bugtask is created" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126943 [11:36] BjornT: Should I do the stuff manually then or will you reprocess it? [11:40] soren: sorry, please do it manually, i can't fix the bug and push the fix to production that fast, so i can't reprocess it. [11:41] BjornT: Quite alright. [11:41] BjornT: Thanks! [11:42] BjornT, I think bug 103137 was just fixed without being tracked [11:42] Launchpad bug 103137 in malone "What then if the bug has already been reported?" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/103137 [11:43] crap [11:43] I just clicked "Subscribe To This Bug" by mistake instead of "Submit Bug Report" [11:44] and subscribed myself to a Fix Released bug, of all things [11:46] mpt: yes, i think so too. i've marked it as fix released. [11:48] thanks Bjrn [11:48] bonus fixes are always good :-) === mpt is still occasionally finding open bug reports for bugs that were fixed in 1.0 [11:50] New bug: #126946 in malone ""No, I'd like to report a new bug" doesn't immediately let me do so" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126946 [11:55] New bug: #126948 in malone ""Subscribe To This Bug" is incorrect capitalization" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126948 === jml [n=jml@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad === jml [n=jml@86.228.233.220.exetel.com.au] has joined #launchpad [12:05] New bug: #126949 in malone "Users don't get notified about unhandled exceptions in the incoming e-mail interface" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126949 === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@82.113.121.1] has joined #launchpad === stub [n=stub@ppp-58.8.4.78.revip2.asianet.co.th] has joined #launchpad [12:25] New bug: #126953 in malone "Sync importance for bug watches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126953 [12:36] New bug: #126956 in soyuz "E-mail addresses in changelogs don't link anywhere" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126956 === xerosis [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === Spads [i=spacehob@unaffiliated/spads] has joined #launchpad [12:50] New bug: #126957 in malone "Bug status form is mushed together, especially in Helvetica" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126957 === mEDUXa [i=agustin@62.87.18.58] has joined #launchpad === kblin [i=nowhere@worldforge.de] has joined #launchpad === TeTeT [n=spindler@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad === effie_jayx [n=valles@ubuntu/member/effie-jayx] has joined #launchpad === barry-away is now known as barry === kompressor [n=kompress@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #launchpad [01:26] New bug: #126959 in soyuz ""Changeslist" on distribution series administration page is unhelpful" [Undecided,New] 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user's selection isn't persistent" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126969 [03:10] New bug: #126970 in launchpad "obfuscate_email causes the server to hang" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126970 === xerosis_ [n=kieran@cpc2-shep5-0-0-cust722.lei3.cable.ntl.com] has joined #launchpad === pcardune [n=pcardune@71-215-15-116.spkn.qwest.net] has joined #launchpad === OgMaciel [n=omaciel@foresight/developer/OgMaciel] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus [n=bjorn@201.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad === kompressor [n=kompress@gw.impilinux.co.za] has joined #launchpad === Prognatus [n=bjorn@201.80-202-51.nextgentel.com] has joined #launchpad [03:35] New bug: #126976 in launchpad-bazaar "Automatic discovery of new branches" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126976 === adeuring [n=abel@Fc154.f.ppp-pool.de] has joined #launchpad [03:40] New bug: #126975 in rosetta "TraversalError in translation page" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126975 === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad === Rinchen [n=joey@canonical/launchpad/rinchen] has joined #launchpad === sinzu1 [n=sinzui@pool-70-17-73-71.res.east.verizon.net] has joined #launchpad === gmb [i=graham@nat/canonical/x-0fcce3a10c051a27] has joined #launchpad === mthaddon [n=mthaddon@canonical/launchpad/mthaddon] has joined #launchpad === jsk_ [n=jsk@client-81-109-243-178.winn.adsl.virgin.net] has joined #launchpad === EdwinGrubbs [n=edwin@cpe-66-25-92-150.satx.res.rr.com] has joined #launchpad === flacoste [n=francis@modemcable178.77-70-69.static.videotron.ca] has joined #launchpad [04:00] me [04:00] no me [04:00] :) === cprov-afk is now known as cprov [04:01] me 2 [04:01] me 3 [04:01] stub, you going to chair the meeting today? [04:01] SteveA, here? [04:01] I guess SteveA won't be around for the meeting, but I may be wrong [04:01] me? If I have too, but I was hoping to be eating this first bit... [04:01] mpt, I appoint you :-) [04:01] kiko said he'd try to be here === gmb [i=graham@nat/canonical/x-0fcce3a10c051a27] has left #launchpad [] === gmb [i=graham@nat/canonical/x-0fcce3a10c051a27] has joined #launchpad [04:03] It's 7am for them currently. [04:03] yeah, me too :) [04:03] :-) === mpt waits for the agenda to load [04:03] ah great, was just going to ask [04:03] thanks mpt === RainCT [n=RainCT@unaffiliated/rainct] has joined #launchpad [04:04] hi [04:04] ok, MEETING TIME [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] For the next half an hour or so, we'll be discussing Launchpad development [04:04] Who's here today? [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me === sinzu1 is now known as sinzui [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:04] me [04:05] me [04:05] me [04:05] me [04:05] Team leads, please check that your co-conspirators are here === barry pokes barry === salgado looks at himself === mwhudson waits for thumper to poke him [04:05] ddaa? [04:05] Translations: carlos & danilo not present. [04:06] me [04:06] me === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad [04:06] ok [04:06] == Agenda == [04:06] * Next meeting [04:06] * Actions from last meeting [04:06] * Oops report (Matsubara) [04:06] * Critical Bugs (Rinchen) [04:06] * Bug tags [04:06] * Operations report (mthaddon) [04:06] * DBA report (stub) [04:07] * Sysadmin requests (Rinchen [04:07] * A top user-affecting issue (mrevell) [04:07] * kiko - proper use of release-critical [04:07] * kiko - Pre-release QA testing feeback [04:07] * Blockers [04:07] == Apologies == [04:07] * carlos and danilos are at GUADEC [04:07] Any others? [04:08] SteveA and kiko are busy at Ubuntu Live I assume [04:08] == Next meeting == === cprov [n=cprov@canonical/launchpad/cprov] has joined #launchpad === seb128_ [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad [04:08] Anyone unable to be here same time next week? [04:08] apologies: UL [04:08] hi cprov [04:08] I'll be away === seb128 [n=seb@81.187.73.203] has joined #launchpad === flacoste will be on parental leave [04:09] EdwinGrubbs is here today also, a brand new launchpadder [04:09] bac: wait, i'll be back on wednesday, so nm [04:09] flacoste will be parenting [04:09] welcome EdwinGrubbs! === gmb [i=gmb@nat/canonical/x-b28daf897e8d6e49] has joined #launchpad [04:09] Welcome EdwinGrubbs [04:09] mpt: hi (my 'me' was already posted, no ?) [04:09] hello EdwinGrubbs [04:09] welcome EdwinGrubbs [04:09] Welcome EdwinGrubbs! [04:09] cprov, yes [04:09] welcome EdwinGrubbs! [04:09] lo EdwinGrubbs [04:09] hi EdwinGrubbs [04:09] thanks, glad to be here [04:09] greetings, EdwinGrubbs [04:09] hi EdwinGrubbs [04:09] Edwin is working with statik, correct? [04:10] hi EdwinGrubbs [04:10] yes [04:10] howdy EdwinGrubbs, welcome! [04:10] cool [04:10] == Actions from last meeting == [04:10] * jamesh to follow up on bug 58220 [04:10] Launchpad bug 58220 in launchpad "When an error occurs processing a request another oops is recorded because there's no interaction set up." [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/58220 - Assigned to James Henstridge (jamesh) [04:10] me [04:10] * mpt to mail Rinchen about the future of the Bug report [04:10] I did that [04:10] * statik to record security.cfg change process on "the reviewers page" and DatabaseSchemaChanges [04:10] I did follow up on bug 58220 [04:10] done [04:10] thanks jamesh [04:10] and thanks statik [04:11] == Oops report == [04:11] First, congrats on the release and a very well done job on the pre-release QA [04:11] Today's oops report is about bugs 126975, OOPS-565D2528 [04:11] Launchpad bug 126975 in rosetta "TraversalError in translation page" [Critical,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126975 [04:11] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/565D2528 [04:11] Bug 126975 is the top OOPSer since the rollout. I've already asked jtv to take it [04:11] OOPS-565D2528 has been taken care of by mwhudson [04:11] https://devpad.canonical.com/~jamesh/oops.cgi/565D2528 [04:11] For those who care: https://devpad.canonical.com/~andrew/paste/file3D7k2v.html has a partial OOPS report from today. [04:11] and me, good teamwork [04:12] sorry ddaa, forgot about you. thanks! [04:12] that's it from me mpt. back to you [04:12] matsubara: sorry, was off working on that very bug. [04:12] Thank you matsubara [04:12] fix is written, reviewed & on the way. [04:12] == Critical bugs == [04:12] no problem jtv. thanks a lot for handling it! [04:13] I'm going to echo this too: First, congrats on the release and a very well done job on the pre-release QA [04:13] I'd like to ask for the status on two bugs [04:13] Bug #126768 [04:13] Launchpad bug 126768 in blueprint "OOPS when subscribing a team to a blueprint." [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126768 - Assigned to Tom Berger (intellectronica) [04:13] Bug #126970 [04:13] Launchpad bug 126970 in launchpad "obfuscate_email causes the server to hang" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126970 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is) [04:13] I believe they are both underway. [04:14] Rinchen: I think the first one was RCFIXED [04:14] isn't it? [04:14] Rinchen: fix is approved by barry. I await rc approval. [04:14] intellectronica: Rinchen - that bug is fixed and was landed rc [04:14] excellent. Thanks. Please update the bug reports today. [04:14] mpt, back to you [04:14] thanks Rinchen === kiko-zzz [n=kiko@canonical/launchpad/pdpc.supporter.active.kiko] has joined #launchpad [04:15] == Bug tags == [04:15] There are no tags proposed [04:15] == Operations report == [04:15] kiko-zzz, hi [04:16] mthaddon, go ahead [04:16] 1.1.7 Rolled out, with the exception of Importd, which will be done after this meeting with ddaa [04:16] other than that, I'm done [04:16] me [04:16] gar [04:16] Appservers where crashing due to a regexp that behaved suboptimally for some input. As a result, email addresses in bug comments are no longer being obfuscated with the emergancy fix I put in place. This shouldn't be a problem as this was a new feature this cycle, and I believe a real fix is in the pipeline and being landed as we speak. [04:16] The update blew up some monitoring, where a script was installed in an area of the tree that the rollout tools expect to control and thus removed it. Tom is fixing this. [04:16] Thank you mthaddon [04:17] erm... not crashing. Spinning. [04:17] crashing would have been better since the load balancer handles that better [04:17] all from me [04:17] suboptimally == "probably taking thousands of years to complete" [04:17] a regexp only anchored in the middle? [04:18] obsucate_email was released in 1.1.6 [04:18] mwhudson: buy better hardware. [04:18] details on the mailing list for the geeks [04:18] i or someone should post to the mailing list about it [04:18] stub, do you have anything DB-related as well? [04:19] jtv: any hardware that can run for thousands of years must be pretty good [04:19] mthaddon: deep thought [04:19] I did but gedit just crashed taking my buffer with it. [04:19] Come back to me [04:19] stub, matsubara, do you know that the regexp/e-mail problem is actually reported as a bug? [04:19] yes it is mpt [04:20] ok, just checking :-) [04:20] it's the second item in Rinchen's report [04:20] bug 126970 [04:20] Launchpad bug 126970 in launchpad "obfuscate_email causes the server to hang" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/126970 - Assigned to Curtis Hovey (sinzui-is) [04:20] thanks [04:20] stub, retrievable or no? [04:21] Dunno. Anyone know where gedit keeps its temp files? [04:21] ok, if you find it before the end of the meeting, let me know [04:21] I have not submitted it to pqm yet. I await approval. barry passed the branch. [04:21] meanwhile [04:21] == Sysadmin requests == [04:21] kiko-zzz: can you approve sinzui's patch? [04:21] kiko-zzz: sinzui needs your release-critical=kiko for bug 126970 [04:22] There was one urgent one for kiko and mrevell which has been completed 10 minutes ago. [04:22] Anyone blocked or otherwise waiting on RT requests? [04:22] thanks Rinchen === kiko-zzz is now known as kiko [04:22] kiko-zzz: I would like a release-critical on bug 126947 [04:22] Bug 126947 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/126947 is private [04:22] kiko: if that's okay :) [04:22] If anyone things of any after the meeting, please ping me. mpt, back to you [04:23] thank you [04:23] == No top user-affecting issue == [04:23] does that mean all issues are affecting users equally? [04:24] Yes, we're equal-opportunity offenders [04:24] ddaa: No, unfortunately it means that I haven't prepared one this week yet. :( === gmb [i=graham@nat/canonical/x-a5dcaf80dccdc641] has joined #launchpad [04:24] mrevell has been busy with release notes and other things [04:25] anyway [04:25] == Proper use of release-critical == [04:25] it'll be interesting to figure out what problems are affecting users now :) [04:25] I suspect the three oopsers! [04:25] aha, proper release-critical use. [04:25] kiko, we'd need to do testing to find that out ;-) [04:25] I've noticed that people have actually not paid attention to the fact that not anyone can sign off on release-critical landings. [04:26] so for now, I want to underline that only Steve and I, with Joey as a backup, are allowed to give you release-critical for a branch [04:26] for next release we'll change this to allow for better timezone coverage [04:26] and have a release-critical hotline so you always have a number to call for one if you need it. [04:27] I'd like to close by thanking profusely everybody that tested and landed fixes through today, though [04:27] it's the first time we've done this and I think we've done well to find lots of problems [04:27] and fix them before the rollout [04:28] that's all on this topic. [04:28] which segues us nicely into the next topic [04:28] So you really want to be woken up, even if it is blindingly obvious that a patch needs to land? [04:28] == Pre-release QA testing feedback == [04:28] my impression is that this worked very well [04:28] and that we had a number of showstoppers fixed, and tests added. [04:29] I want to really underline that a release-critical does /not/ mean you can land without a test [04:29] it actually means the opposite -- release-critical means that you /can/ reproduce the problem [04:29] and you've got a fix written to that effect. [04:30] hopefully that's clear by now === kiko looks at jtv === jtv coughs nervously [04:30] anyway, I wanted to ask people how they felt the QA and fix period went. [04:30] any comments? [04:30] I've found quite a few UI glitches in the new features [04:30] worth doing, waste of time, change something? [04:30] we should do it every time [04:30] Not sure what to do about that [04:30] The signoff format needs work. [04:31] it was good [04:31] I also think the pre-release QA worked out well. I can think of some tweaks to make it better that I'll discuss with kiko. The assembled report by Diogo was very helpful, at least to me. All in all, I think it's a good addition. [04:31] one question is why didn't we catch the problems we saw today? [04:31] matsubara, why didn't linkchecker tickle the rosetta oops? === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has joined #launchpad [04:32] kiko: good question. I've yet to check if the oops affects staging [04:32] our oops was a fault in the database schema that allowed out of date importd code to stick stuff in the db it should not be allowed. [04:32] kiko: or if linkechecker is crawling those pages [04:32] So we want to err on the side of keeping code quality rather than keep uptime and provide a good user experience? === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has left #launchpad [] [04:33] I could have been allowed if reviewer had noticed that the db patch used a default for a column that should not have a default. [04:33] s/allowed/avoided/ [04:33] ddaa, that's not the reviewer's fault. [04:33] review doesn't catch errors unless the reviewer is very alert and very lucky. [04:33] or the branch authors [04:33] not a fault in the process IMO [04:33] stub, we want to strike a balance. [04:33] right [04:33] the regexp one was a 'new code'-'real data' collision [04:34] mwhudson, ddaa: so was the blueprint problem that intellectronica and stub fixed [04:35] it's something to look out for [04:35] looks like we're having quite a few cases where the sample data doesn't serve us good enough and we get errors when trying the code with more data. could it be that our sample data is not good enough? [04:35] intellectronica, our sample data is not good enough, but it's hard to systematically improve it, I think [04:35] mark has many times complained about this, tbh [04:35] but I haven't yet found a practical way to manage it [04:35] we have a script that reports on the breadth of sample data [04:35] there are 2 things that can be done: [04:35] we have lots of empty tables [04:36] one crazy idea is to not edit the sampledata file directly, but update it through "patches" too [04:36] i guess we could have a poll along the lines of "how many people knew that regular expressions can match in time exponential in the length of input?" [04:36] 1) treat sample data like we do tests - for every change in code you must have sample data that exercises it [04:36] "make schema" doesn't give a good workout to the database patches [04:36] the regex problem was triggered by a long string of '.' characters. that would've been hard for anyone to anticipate. [04:36] I am not sure how to handle that better [04:36] intellectronica, many tests create their own data [04:37] jamesh: One of stagings functions is to excercise that. [04:37] mpt: so why not keep this data in the sample set? [04:37] intellectronica: +1. Having case-specific sample data is useful for when you're testing through the UI. [04:37] mpt, intellectronica: again, one idea is to update sampledata via patches [04:37] i'm a little surprised the regexp problem didn't show up on staging, given how many times it happened this morning [04:37] that would avoid conflicts [04:37] jamesh: It is just more noticable now that we are landing all the patches in a couple of days that where previously landed over a month. [04:37] mwhudson, me too [04:38] mwhudson: That was not new code. That re was released in 1.1.6 I'm looking at the diff. [04:38] mwhudson: LP devs are not interested in the same bugs than the general LP crowd [04:38]